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Drunken.Broncoholic
12-10-2012, 08:35 PM
Are you scared of the broncos playing the patriots?


It's the ultimate test for the SB. Beat the best to be the best. I know there's alot who would love them to play the game in Denver, but this team has grown this year and I feel can play in anyone's house.

Tim
12-10-2012, 08:43 PM
We're built to run with the pats right now but @ NE would be very tough

bases055
12-10-2012, 08:43 PM
F*** any team in our way. I think the proof is already in the pudding (look at the vote). Time for us to stop being scared whiny "we aren't ready" bitches and support our football team as we should, our team really is that good. I think we're just not used to saying that after 14 years.

Bronco X
12-10-2012, 08:44 PM
Sure. But don't forget in 2010 they beat the Jets in NE 45-3 week 13 en route to a 14-2 season. But they were one and done in the playoffs, done in by those same Jets. As the old cliche goes, on any given Sunday...

bases055
12-10-2012, 08:46 PM
6-0 in favor of not scared, yet this whole forum is stuck on being petrified of playing in NE. Who cares who we play and where? Half the forum is afraid of Baltimore, as if today's Baltimore is yesterday's Colts, and Baltimore isn't even that good.

Old Dude
12-10-2012, 08:46 PM
If you want a job done right, you gotta do it yourself. The Pats aren't going to fade away. One way or another, Denver's going to have to find a way to beat them to get to the big show.



Edit: Of course, I'm scared. Scared is good.

bases055
12-10-2012, 08:48 PM
If you want a job done right, you gotta do it yourself. The Pats aren't going to fade away. One way or another, Denver's going to have to find a way to beat them to get to the big show.

It's called an away game and a 60 minute football game. It's not as far fetched as it seems. Every year EVERYONE gives the pats the Lombardi, and ELI of all QBs has beat them twice, once ON THE PATS WAY TO AN UNDEFEATED SEASON!

bases055
12-10-2012, 08:49 PM
If you want a job done right, you gotta do it yourself. The Pats aren't going to fade away. One way or another, Denver's going to have to find a way to beat them to get to the big show.



Edit: Of course, I'm scared. Scared is good.


Edit: Scared is not at all good. Scared is an excuse.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-10-2012, 08:49 PM
**** any team in our way. I think the proof is already in the pudding (look at the vote). Time for us to stop being scared whiny "we aren't ready" b****es and support our football team as we should, our team really is that good. I think we're just not used to saying that after 14 years.

Love it! I think it's a totally different feel with this team. Backing in last year, clinching a spot in the first week of December this year.

Old Dude
12-10-2012, 08:49 PM
Edit: Scared is not at all good. Scared is an excuse.

I'd far rather be scared than overconfident. Denver needs to work hard to get even better.

Ratboy
12-10-2012, 08:53 PM
I am, especially in Foxboro. If we have them at home, I think we can take them.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-10-2012, 08:53 PM
I want to see a Richard Sherman type reaction from our players after the game if they play each other and win. Sherman made sure Brady knew he lost. ROFL!

bases055
12-10-2012, 08:54 PM
Love it! I think it's a totally different feel with this team. Backing in last year, clinching a spot in the first week of December this year.

Thank you! Look at what we had last year compared to now. I HOPE it's not Tebow followers that are bogging our fan base down as it seems to be. We are good and we should have confidence, we haven't had a team like this in ages, why be scared? Why not become a part of this team and fight for it as if we were on it? That's how I remember our Super Bowl years, not wondering if a hope and a prayer would get us through. Maybe teams latch on to their fan base's confidence in them, seems like an OK logic to me. We have a potential top 5 qb of ALL TIME at the helm, a great offense and a SCARY defense. Let's be NE/Balt/Pit for once and expect (and support our team for) success.

bases055
12-10-2012, 08:56 PM
I'd far rather be scared than overconfident. Denver needs to work hard to get even better.

Tell this to NE, who you are obviously afraid of. Hell Jake Plummer beat NE in Denver. The way things are going now, we will have to win in NE, but Peyton MOTHER ****ING MANNING is not JAKE the handball player PLUMMER. We're you as pessimistic when Elway was our General during our Super Bowl Runs? Somehow I think not...

bases055
12-10-2012, 08:59 PM
NE has to fall at some point (has already in the past). It's like giving the Yankees the world series every year (see the then Florida Marlins). Who gives a **** - PMFM has the power to will this team to beat the best...and for what? To be the best. Does everyone feel like I'm reaching here?

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-10-2012, 09:00 PM
Thank you! Look at what we had last year compared to now. I HOPE it's not Tebow followers that are bogging our fan base down as it seems to be. We are good and we should have confidence, we haven't had a team like this in ages, why be scared? Why not become a part of this team and fight for it as if we were on it? That's how I remember our Super Bowl years, not wondering if a hope and a prayer would get us through. Maybe teams latch on to their fan base's confidence in them, seems like an OK logic to me. We have a potential top 5 qb of ALL TIME at the helm, a great offense and a SCARY defense. Let's be NE/Balt/Pit for once and expect (and support our team for) success.


I remember some didnt want to face the Vikings. I guess some of us just want to see success at the highest level. Beating the pats on the way to the SB seems just a tiny but sweeter than beating say houston or Pitt.


Who knows, they may not even face each other and this is all for not!

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:00 PM
IT IS OK TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR TEAM TO SUCCEED. Crazy how bitch our fans have become.

broncocalijohn
12-10-2012, 09:01 PM
Many of these great teams have lost to a ****ty team. They come to play against good teams. Broncos have beaten every average plus to ****ty team out there. Broncos have lost to the 3 top teams. Patriots seem to play up when their competitor is to their level. Hell yes I am scared of that team. I have a feeling we might be going to NE for our game if we are 3rd seed. Now we must hope Houston keeps faltering during the 2nd half.

UberBroncoMan
12-10-2012, 09:02 PM
Yes... if it's at their place.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:02 PM
I remember some didnt want to face the Vikings. I guess some of us just want to see success at the highest level. Beating the pats on the way to the SB seems just a tiny but sweeter than beating say houston or Pitt.


Who knows, they may not even face each other and this is all for not!

If we want success at the highest level then why are so many of us praying for the easiest route to get there? REMEMBER THE TITANS!!! (the movie, not the SB losers)

DBroncos4life
12-10-2012, 09:02 PM
I want to see a Richard Sherman type reaction from our players after the game if they play each other and win. Sherman made sure Brady knew he lost. ROFL!

It's nothing some ADD medicine won't cure.

swaiy
12-10-2012, 09:03 PM
Didnt take long for #15 to get mentioned lol.

The Pats can be beat though. I like the Broncos chances now more than I did earlier. They still cant stop DT88.

OCBronco
12-10-2012, 09:03 PM
This game showed me that Houston is fading and regressing.

If New England comes out and takes apart San Francisco next week, then I might be more worried.

We are getting better on both sides of the ball, and this is a different team than the one that lost to them earlier in the year. I think we can hang with anyone.

cutthemdown
12-10-2012, 09:05 PM
Not really scared but they are a great team. Playing them on the road, in cold weather, yeah its going to take an epic Bronco performance to win. If it happens at all who knows how it turns out.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:05 PM
I've been a long time follower of the mane and am obviously very new at posting. I used this site for years as a basis to follow my team and see overall what our fans think of MY team. Do you think BAL or PIT fans were hoping for NE to due themselves in EVER? Get real, let's be tough fans and not pussies.

spdirty
12-10-2012, 09:05 PM
Hell No. **** them and their b**** ass offensive coordinator. January 14, 2006 b****es. Brady and Belly were undefeated in the playoffs. Until they played us. With Jake. And Mike Anderson. And Ashley Lelie. And Nick Ferguson. And Champ mother ****in Bailey!

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Orange&BlueMohawk
12-10-2012, 09:06 PM
No way. And here's why.
1.) We have the same record.
2.) Pats lost to teams that were hot in the beginning of the season (Ravens, Cards) and to Seattle (still doing okay)
3.)Our losses were to the 'best' teams. And if we hadn't started those games so terribly, we would have had a much better shot.
4.) We lost those games at the beginning of the season, when the team was still gelling. We are much better now.
5.) The Pats numbers are kind of inflated. I hate it when everyone is always talking up how many points the Pats put up. They are doing it against terrible teams. So really we are more likely to be closer in the rankings.
As for last year, yeah we made the playoffs and made the Steelers look hilarious, but we had no business against the Pats, as the score showed.

This year, same scenario. Tom Brady goes home crying, hopefully because Von broke his backbone. Or shoved one up his poop shoot, and then broke it.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:08 PM
Don't be the fan that says its ok to lose because you think any team is better than yours. Why play the games then (Eli)?

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:09 PM
No way. And here's why.
1.) We have the same record.
2.) Pats lost to teams that were hot in the beginning of the season (Ravens, Cards) and to Seattle (still doing okay)
3.)Our losses were to the 'best' teams. And if we hadn't started those games so terribly, we would have had a much better shot.
4.) We lost those games at the beginning of the season, when the team was still gelling. We are much better now.

As for last year, yeah we made the playoffs and made the Steelers look hilarious, but we had no business against the Pats, as the score showed.

This year, same scenario. Tom Brady goes home crying, hopefully because Von broke his backbone. Or shoved one up his poop shoot, and then broke it.


That's the spirit! Go PMFBroncos!

bronco militia
12-10-2012, 09:10 PM
I don't expect the broncos to beat them, but I'd love another shot. Good teams have been known to play their worst football in the playoffs.

Orange4Life
12-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Screw the pats. Let's get it on

theAPAOps5
12-10-2012, 09:22 PM
I am scared of them, not as in I don't want to play them again, but a respectful fear. Any team or player who isn't scared of their play right now is a fool or on a loser team.

swaiy
12-10-2012, 09:25 PM
Screw the pats. Let's get it on

Wait. What kind of screw and what kind of "getting it on" do you mean?

Orange&BlueMohawk
12-10-2012, 09:26 PM
I hate cliches but,

Playing the Pats in New England again this years, after what happened last year................

should put a serious chip on our shoulder. Like seriously.

F*** the Pats!

lonestar
12-10-2012, 09:28 PM
here is my take..

for several years mikey built the team to beat Manning, after getting our ass kicked in the passing game, we traded for Champ.. All was well because now Champ could shut them down..

next year manning just went after the other CB lefte Champ alone..

Forget who we brought in at the time to cover the other WR.. next year Manning killed us with the slot receiver..

What Mikey never figured out was regardless how many good to great CBs that are out there Manning given enough time can find someone open..

Moral of the story we need a complete team on D to beat a great QB and make no mistake about it Brady is a great QB..

IMO the only hope we have is to out duel them, the last team that scores wins..

I do not think that will work against them, as their D is pretty damned good also.. They can collapse the middle of our OLINE and when they blitz they will get to and hurry Manning..

I believe we are a year away from being able to keep up with the big boys..

Last but not least Fox, is no Bellicheck..

and maybe even more humbling Mc coy is no Mc Daniels..

Br0nc0Buster
12-10-2012, 09:29 PM
Yes

As much as I love our defense I am worried what Brady would do to them

Granted Mays being gone is a big plus, but we are going to need our Dline to play out of their minds to win if we get matched up against them

lonestar
12-10-2012, 09:29 PM
I am scared of them, not as in I don't want to play them again, but a respectful fear. Any team or player who isn't scared of their play right now is a fool or on a loser team.

:thumbs:

Old Dude
12-10-2012, 09:29 PM
This game showed me that Houston is fading and regressing.

If New England comes out and takes apart San Francisco next week, then I might be more worried.

We are getting better on both sides of the ball, and this is a different team than the one that lost to them earlier in the year. I think we can hang with anyone.


Yeah, it's not all bad. Houston has been struggling of late, was nearly beaten by Jacksonville and should have lost to Detroit. Their defense really misses Cushing and they've had problems for a good while converting on 3rd downs. When a team gets blown out like this, it sometimes says more about the loser than the winner.

As far as the fear factor goes, it doesn't really make any difference what any of us think. We're not the ones on the field.

If I had to place a bet right now, I wouldn't bet on Denver winning on the road in NE. (Though I think the Broncos would perform better than last time.)

There's still three weeks in the regular season and lots of things can happen. Hopefully, Denver can avoid injuries, young players can continue to progress, and the team's cohesion can also continue to improve.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:31 PM
I am scared of them, not as in I don't want to play them again, but a respectful fear. Any team or player who isn't scared of their play right now is a fool or on a loser team.

It's completely OK to respect a team who is above average or downright elite. But how can you be afraid after the amazing season we have had? Although we were 8-8 last year (a non losing record), if there was an award for comeback team of the year, it would have to be ours. And contribute that to an up and coming downright dirty defense, and a comback player of the year.

I'll admit as much as the next person that the Denver Broncos were not expected to be the team that they are. But since they are the team that they are, why not be excited? As probably THOUSANDS of posts here have suggested, we are a championship caliber team. Top 4 in offense and defense, what is to be afraid of? An away game anywhere? Tell that to the Giants.

I am pleading (as I am sure many of you have seen by now) for us to join together to support our team, instead of fearing for our apparent demise. Peyton has a lot left to prove, this year and going forward until he is done.

Add Fox, add Del Rio, add our receiving corps including our TEs, our back from the dead RB, our stellar pass rush and elite (yes elite) CB play, along with our SP team play with Holliday and our Kicking game. WE ARE GOOD AT EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME (look we even stopped fumbling 12 times a game).

Have some faith.

NFLBRONCO
12-10-2012, 09:31 PM
I'm not scared of them just feel they are the best at exposing our D.

theAPAOps5
12-10-2012, 09:34 PM
Please tell me where I posted we will lose or that I have no faith. Oh wait, I didn't. Reading.... its fundamental.

It's completely OK to respect a team who is above average or downright elite. But how can you be afraid after the amazing season we have had? Although we were 8-8 last year (a non losing record), if there was an award for comeback team of the year, it would have to be ours. And contribute that to an up and coming downright dirty defense, and a comback player of the year.

I'll admit as much as the next person that the Denver Broncos were not expected to be the team that they are. But since they are the team that they are, why not be excited? As probably THOUSANDS of posts here have suggested, we are a championship caliber team. Top 4 in offense and defense, what is to be afraid of? An away game anywhere? Tell that to the Giants.

I am pleading (as I am sure many of you have seen by now) for us to join together to support our team, instead of fearing for our apparent demise. Peyton has a lot left to prove, this year and going forward until he is done.

Add Fox, add Del Rio, add our receiving corps including our TEs, our back from the dead RB, our stellar pass rush and elite (yes elite) CB play, along with our SP team play with Holliday and our Kicking game. WE ARE GOOD AT EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME (look we even stopped fumbling 12 times a game).

Have some faith.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:34 PM
Dont forget Brady is 35 and also lost almost a full season to injury. The two QBs are one year apart in age and exp. Yes Brady has more championships, but he also had better teams with potentially the best coach ever. The cheat with PM? Who knows how many times they would have won (hint, would've been easily more than Brady got).

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:37 PM
Please tell me where I posted we will lose or that I have no faith. Oh wait, I didn't. Reading.... its fundamental.

Ahem... "I am scared of them". Doesn't matter what you said afterwards, you basically said that if you were the Broncos, the Patriots are your daddy. Reading....between the lines....is not hard.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:38 PM
Tell me where Brady or Bully would ever say "I am scared of the Broncos". Get real

theAPAOps5
12-10-2012, 09:39 PM
Ahem... "I am scared of them". Doesn't matter what you said afterwards, you basically said that if you were the Broncos, the Patriots are your daddy. Reading....between the lines....is not hard.

So you can't read then? Or are you just dumb?

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:40 PM
Tell me where Brady or Bully would ever say "I am scared of the Broncos". Get real

By the way, to respect a team shows a sign of...RESPECT...because a team is good or great. Respect IN NO WAY speaks of being afraid.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:42 PM
So you can't read then? Or are you just dumb?

I read just fine you scared little bitch. I want and believe the Broncos can beat anybody in the NFL on any week, regular season, playoffs or otherwise. I do not fear, nor am I afraid of our team beating the pats, whether here nor there. Go ahead and claim that I can't read. You have ill faith in OUR team.

Like so many "Broncos" fans.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:43 PM
Let's be afraid of winning it all, everyone. Bow down I guess.

theAPAOps5
12-10-2012, 09:43 PM
I read just fine you scared little b****. I want and believe the Broncos can beat anybody in the NFL on any week, regular season, playoffs or otherwise. I do not fear, nor am I afraid of our team beating the pats, whether here nor there. Go ahead and claim that I can't read. You have ill faith in OUR team.

Like so many "Broncos" fans.

So you are dumb, got it. Kind of the weak link in work and life, right?

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:45 PM
So you are dumb, got it. Kind of the weak link in work and life, right?

OH NO THE PATS ARE COMING! Nice to know that my being "dumb" is your greatest arguement. I'll still take kicking the pats in the face compared to your "I'm afraid and your dumb" comments.

swaiy
12-10-2012, 09:46 PM
here is my take..

for several years mikey built the team to beat Manning, after getting our ass kicked in the passing game, we traded for Champ.. All was well because now Champ could shut them down..

next year manning just went after the other CB lefte Champ alone..

Forget who we brought in at the time to cover the other WR.. next year Manning killed us with the slot receiver..

What Mikey never figured out was regardless how many good to great CBs that are out there Manning given enough time can find someone open..

Moral of the story we need a complete team on D to beat a great QB and make no mistake about it Brady is a great QB..

IMO the only hope we have is to out duel them, the last team that scores wins..

I do not think that will work against them, as their D is pretty damned good also.. They can collapse the middle of our OLINE and when they blitz they will get to and hurry Manning..

I believe we are a year away from being able to keep up with the big boys..

Last but not least Fox, is no Bellicheck..

and maybe even more humbling Mc coy is no Mc Daniels..

Im probably going to regret asking.

What would happen if you made a posted completely on topic without mentioning Mike Shanahan?

HAT
12-10-2012, 09:46 PM
here is my take....

You predicted 4-12....Take. Invalid.

theAPAOps5
12-10-2012, 09:47 PM
OH NO THE PATS ARE COMING! Nice to know that my being "dumb" is your greatest arguement. I'll still take kicking the pats in the face compared to your "I'm afraid and your dumb" comments.

Ok, how about mentally unstable? Better descriptor for you? Should I define mentally for you? Unstable too big a word?

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:48 PM
Let's be afraid at our best chance at winning the super bowl in 14 years instead of embracing the opportunity given to us since....by John Elway himself.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:50 PM
Ok, how about mentally unstable? Better descriptor for you? Should I define mentally for you? Unstable too big a word?

Just take NO MERCY off your avatar and put up Kyle Orton instead. Uhhnnnstaaable....puss.

theAPAOps5
12-10-2012, 09:52 PM
Just take NO MERCY off your avatar and put up Kyle Orton instead. Uhhnnnstaaable....puss.

Inbred?

You really are puppet, mentally weak, easily manipulated. You lead a pathetic life don't you? :wave:

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:54 PM
Inbred? :wave:

NO MERCY!!! oh wait...pats.

fwf
12-10-2012, 09:55 PM
I know our guys on the field arent scared. Von, doom, champ, Woodward those guys are gonna be ready man. I like the toughness of this team. Well be ready to play that game, unlike last year.
Peyton vs Brady. In their primes. It's gonna be a classic man if it happens.
But when were telling the story 20 yrs from now, this ****in D won't be left out.

We're the team to beat.

bases055
12-10-2012, 09:56 PM
GROW ****ING BALLS DENVER FANS....on mercy's behalf. ;)

Fear nobody. The Manning way.

theAPAOps5
12-10-2012, 09:59 PM
I know are guys on the field won't be scared. Von, doom, champ, Woodward those guys are gonna be ready man. I like the toughness of this team. Well be ready to play that game, unlike last year.
Peyton vs Brady. In their primes. It's gonna be a classic man if it happens.
But when were telling the story 20 yrs from now, this ****in D won't be left out.

We're the team to beat.

Fear when channeled is one of the biggest motivators and creators of success. Most of the people who are on top of their profession, craft, or industry did so because of fear of failure. The pathetic ones are the ones who curl up and submit under fear. The great ones are those that use that fear and overcome.

I hope our team is scared of how the Pats are playing, but I hope in a way that when they meet again they are ready, they play a perfect game, and they crush them.

Only weak minded cowards pound their chest and call people names because they think saying they are scared is sissy. But they are the bottom feeders of society. Much like this base055 loser.

Jekyll15Hyde
12-10-2012, 10:04 PM
I am, especially in Foxboro. If we have them at home, I think we can take them.

This. Foxboro scares me more than the Patroits

ant1999e
12-10-2012, 10:14 PM
So you can't read then? Or are you just dumb?

This guy needs to go back to lurking. He's obviously the tough guy in the bar who thinks he can kick everyone's ass.

Mogulseeker
12-10-2012, 10:15 PM
We're building a team, but with DJ as MIKE.... I think our season ends in New England again this year. Now... NEXT year....

Punisher
12-11-2012, 03:04 AM
Houston isn't very good

gunns
12-11-2012, 04:06 AM
Don't be the fan that says its ok to lose because you think any team is better than yours. Why play the games then (Eli)?

Is there something wrong with having a differing opinion? Calling fans that worry about NE pussies? I've been one on here that has said that we can beat the Pats and I still believe that. But I do not see that fans worrying about NE is something crazy and unsupportive. It's worrying about THEIR team because they want the best.

gunns
12-11-2012, 04:11 AM
GROW ****ING BALLS DENVER FANS....on mercy's behalf. ;)

Fear nobody. The Manning way.

The last time I didn't fear any team was January 4, 1997. I learned that any given Sunday because that never should have happened. I don't ever want to experience that again and will never be over confident because any given Sunday can go both ways even with the Greatest. And I have no desire to grow ****ing balls.

WolfpackGuy
12-11-2012, 05:26 AM
I want NE and their gimmick hurry up which won't catch the Broncos off guard the second time around.

TheChamp24
12-11-2012, 05:41 AM
I'm sorry, but playing the Pats, shall I say it will concern me because it will be extremely difficult to win, especially after they already beat us this year.

Now, I believe Houston is a tad overrated for their record. Both Atlanta and Houston in fact. Houston is easier to control their offense than it is to control the Patriots.

TonyR
12-11-2012, 06:18 AM
Houston isn't very good

They came into the game 11-1. So they're very good. They're just not playing their best football. And New England is better. When that offense clicks on all cylinders you're probably not beating them.

TonyR
12-11-2012, 06:21 AM
I want NE and their gimmick hurry up which won't catch the Broncos off guard the second time around.

Well, they're more than just a "gimmick". You also have to account for Gronk (who didn't play last night), Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd, a good running game, and one of the best QBs ever to play the game. That offense exploits some of our weaknesses: the inability of our LBs in coverage and the general mediocrity of our safties.

RedskinBronco
12-11-2012, 06:26 AM
Scared? No way. Just that you want to avoid foxboro in January if you can.

Not scared at all; Houston is a fraud sept-nov team

HorseHead
12-11-2012, 06:36 AM
We've seen this before with this team (NE), it's December..

You beat them by hitting #12 multiple times...like 97% of us, he doesn't like men who weigh 260-315 pounds hitting him repeatedly...

And this is a strange observation on my part, but we actually have a legitimate return guy (Holiday), and a pretty solid kicking game, somehow I see both of these facets contributing big time to post season success...

fwf
12-11-2012, 06:47 AM
You beat them by hitting #12 multiple times...like 97% of us, he doesn't like men who weigh 260-315 pounds hitting him repeatedly...



Yeah, they're going to get there's anyway, so I think the blueprint at this point is to "Rush the QB", and rush him often.

Also, we need to start installing new **** right now so the Pats won't know exactly what we're doing again, like last season in the playoffs.

ColoradoDarin
12-11-2012, 07:02 AM
What's with all the lurkers posting lately? I guess winning cures all, even a case of lurking.

Kaylore
12-11-2012, 07:02 AM
The Patriots lost to Arizona at home. So they aren't unbeatable. However it seems like when teams play them they have their worst games and the Pats have their best.

I don't like their TE's against our linebackers. I don't like their versatile run game and I don't like Brady who is on fire. They put up more points than any team and never turn the ball over.

Their defense isn't great but it's very underrated. They generate a TON of turnovers which just gives the ball back to the highest scoring offense in the league. They tighten up in the redzone and swarm and attack the ball.

On special teams they are average, but no worse than the next team.

They aren't a very physical team. You can beat them up but you have to really come after them and play flawless football. Even if they are a bit finesse, they never make mistakes.

So do I fear the Patriots? No. But they can beat any team in the league. They are incredibly well coached, disciplined and you can't wait for them to shoot themselves. We're a very ballanced team - maybe more ballanced than they are - but we also make way more mistakes than they do. That has kept teams in games and caused our three losses.

If we have to play the Patriots, it will probably be the hardest game we play all year outside the Super Bowl.

ColoradoDarin
12-11-2012, 07:06 AM
Everyone is forgetting the most important thing in this Houston/NE/Denver triangle....



The Little Known Trindon Holliday Effect.

Old Dude
12-11-2012, 07:13 AM
It's hard to rank special teams, but Football Outsiders has tried - based on a variety of stats - and as of a week ago, the Pats were at #2. (Denver at #10)

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

How accurate that is, I don't know, but they rarely shoot themselves in the foot.

On a side note, I've seen three different NFL "power polls" this morning and all three of them have the Pats at #1 and Denver at #2. A rematch would draw quite an audience.

lonestar
12-11-2012, 07:21 AM
If we play them again we will not be sneaking up on them like PHX did.

Not even to mention at the time their defense was playing lights out and the pass rush was a killer

PaintballCLE
12-11-2012, 07:41 AM
the problem with the pats is that they expose our defense. They run the quick 3 step drop passes and eliminate our pass rush. We are average at best in coverage..... look at the first NE game and all the long 3rd down conversions we have given up this year.

Do i think we can beat them? For sure...... but of all the teams in the playoffs I think they are by far the worst matchup for us.

TonyR
12-11-2012, 07:46 AM
You beat them by hitting #12 multiple times...like 97% of us, he doesn't like men who weigh 260-315 pounds hitting him repeatedly...

The difficult part is that you have to pressure him with your front 4, and you have to get pressure up the middle on him. If you blitz and miss Brady will make you pay like nobody else. They strike quick, using Welker, Woodhead and the TEs underneath so if your LBs are stuck crashing the run or blitzing Brady will gut you. The best example of a team that had consistent success defending the Pats the way you have to is the NY Giants.

fwf
12-11-2012, 08:12 AM
The difficult part is that you have to pressure him with your front 4, and you have to get pressure up the middle on him. If you blitz and miss Brady will make you pay like nobody else. They strike quick, using Welker, Woodhead and the TEs underneath so if your LBs are stuck crashing the run or blitzing Brady will gut you. The best example of a team that had consistent success defending the Pats the way you have to is the NY Giants.

Brady's gonna beat u regardless. Might as well bring the heat and try and get some big shots in, rattle his cage a little. Don't mess with his legs but if you got an open shot.. It might be worth the fine.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-11-2012, 08:25 AM
I say the staff needs to have that Seattle game on film. The 2nd half of that game the Seahawks strangled that patriots offense. Brady throws 58 times and only achieves 2 field goals in that half?

Mountain Bronco
12-11-2012, 08:31 AM
I am certainly not scared, but this will be a difficult matchup should it happen. Manning should be able to exploit their secondary and I am concerned with our safeties and ability to stop the run out of a spread formation. Their hurry up offense is also difficult putting our players in a tough position, but Von has gotten a lot better as an every down player, so that shouldn't be as big of an issue. Bring it on, it isn't like you get to the SB playing patsies.

enjolras
12-11-2012, 08:34 AM
look at the first NE game and all the long 3rd down conversions we have given up this year.

Both the Mike and starting corner have seen big changes since that game. Long 3rd down conversions haven't been a huge problem really since that Patriots game. I'm not sure where that comes from. The Broncos are #3 in the league in 3rd down percentage at 32.6%.

razorwire77
12-11-2012, 08:38 AM
Time of possession and finishing drives in the red zone will be key. We can't have Prater kicking 3 short FG's and expect to go into Foxboro and win. Sustained 6, 7, minute drives ending in definitive scoring drives. Flip field possession whenever possible (Holiday performing well will be important). Lastly, giving the Pats a short field via turnovers is death.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-11-2012, 08:53 AM
. Lastly, giving the Pats a short field via turnovers is death.


That has been the killer in those games. Turnover free football is needed in the playoffs. And it's a basic requirement to beat them

Requiem
12-11-2012, 08:58 AM
To be the best, ya gotta beat the best. No fear.

Greatspirits
12-11-2012, 09:03 AM
The Bronx have made great strides this year, but I still don't think they are at the level where they can go into NE and win.

55CrushEm
12-11-2012, 09:05 AM
I didn't read through the thread....but count me as another person not wanting to face this team.

They are absolutely rolling right now. They just put up 42 points on a top-5 defense....and did it without Gronk, Edelman (who had a GREAT month of November).....and with a banged up o-line.

Gronk will be back before the playoffs, and Hernandez is getting back to full strength slowly.

This Pats' offense is approaching "unstoppable" status.

We just don't match up with them b/c our DTs are still average at best.....and our LBs can't cover TEs.

Hate to say it.....but I don't see us beating this team. Hope I'm wrong and will happily eat crow if we do.

bronco militia
12-11-2012, 09:05 AM
Everyone is forgetting the most important thing in this Houston/NE/Denver triangle....



The Little Known Trindon Holliday Effect.

counting houston and denver he's 13-0 :charge:

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-11-2012, 09:09 AM
I didn't read through the thread....but count me as another person not wanting to face this team.

They are absolutely rolling right now. They just put up 42 points on a top-5 defense....and did it without Gronk, Edelman (who had a GREAT month of November).....and with a banged up o-line.

Gronk will be back before the playoffs, and Hernandez is getting back to full strength slowly.

This Pats' offense is approaching "unstoppable" status.

I don't know what to think of Houston's defense right now. Jags put up 37 on them. I can't seem to figure them out

55CrushEm
12-11-2012, 09:22 AM
I don't know what to think of Houston's defense right now. Jags put up 37 on them. I can't seem to figure them out

I know. 37 to Jags, 31 to Detroit, and 42 to NE. A top 5 defense, doesn't allow that in 4 games.

They are struggling, and are beatable.

Regardless of standings/seedings........NE and Denver are the 2 best teams in the AFC right now......maybe in the entire league. It would be a shame if we had to meet them prior to the AFC title game.

cmhargrove
12-11-2012, 09:34 AM
Nothing wrong with showing healthy fear, its the strongest human motivator.

This Pats offense is damn near unstoppable at home. Brady was playing in a different stratosphere last night and totally destroyed a very good football team. As pointed out before our keys seem to be:

1. Don't allow them to gash us with the run (especially in hurry up offense).
2. Must get interior pass rush. Quick around the edges just won't cut it.
3. Some how, some way, we must win the turnover battle.
4. Our offense must find a way to pick up blitzes and give Manning time (Raiders game showed we were vulnerable here).
5. Moreno/McGahee (if in AFC Championship) need to be effecient and effective receiving threats. The Pats LB corps isn't really lightning fast. We need to be able to dump the ball and get some big plays from our RB's.

I think it can be done, it's just that we haven't put together a real "4 quarters" game against a great team this year. Maybe the Ravens game will be what this team needs to make it over the hump.

Broncomutt
12-11-2012, 09:57 AM
I don't want any part of New England.

I think we have the firepower to compete, but they just seem to play nearly mistake free football while we seem to have an obligatory bonehead play or plays each game.

Fumbling while switching hands, tripping over a blade of grass, losing a shoe to slow down a hurry up offense, flipping the ball before crossing the goal line on a KO return, burning a TO because you can't find the head coach to throw the red flag in time.

Love the direction we are headed, but I think the Pats stomp us if we play again. Hope I'm wrong.

TonyR
12-11-2012, 10:10 AM
Great read on the Pats linked below. If you're not afraid of them, you should be.

http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/story/_/id/8734045/the-new-england-patriots-offense-historically-good-again

bronco_diesel
12-11-2012, 10:19 AM
I think the the Broncos would have a very good shot against them.

When they first played, NE came out with the fast-break offense. Denver will be more prepared for that this time.

We had Joe Mays as MLB. Brookings has been a clear upgrade, not to mention we have DJ back who would be much better suited for that fast-break offense.

Denver totally shot themselves in the foot the first half. Had DT scored on that first drive instead of fumbling, I think we see a totally different game.

The defense has really come on since then and so has DT. I would hope that KM can keep this up and if WM is back that only helps (if he doesn't fumble).

WolfpackGuy
12-11-2012, 10:24 AM
The Texans defense seemed to settle down after they got used to the pace, and it wasn't helping that their offense kept shooting themselves in the dick when it was still a game.

Looked very similar to the early parts of the Broncos-Pats game in October except the Broncos fought back to make it respectable.

ZONA
12-11-2012, 10:25 AM
If you want a job done right, you gotta do it yourself. The Pats aren't going to fade away. One way or another, Denver's going to have to find a way to beat them to get to the big show.



Edit: Of course, I'm scared. Scared is good.


This is what I think. One way or another, in round 1, round 2 or round 3, whatever. You're gonna have to beat NE because I think they will be in the AFC Championship game. I think we will end up going to NE but I think we can win there and will be in the Superbowl, and win the Superbowl. Nobody in the NFC scares me at all.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-11-2012, 10:27 AM
There were alot of people afraid of them last year. We had no business playing them cause we weren't nearly as good. But their 2011 team didnt beat one team with a winning record until the championship game. And if it wasn't for bobble hands in the endzone ravens would've won. Every year they play a cupcake schedule. They look unstoppable every year. They can be beat. Arizona went into their house and beat them. Seattle took it to them and made sure they knew about it after. They are beatable.

55CrushEm
12-11-2012, 10:35 AM
This is what I think. One way or another, in round 1, round 2 or round 3, whatever. You're gonna have to beat NE because I think they will be in the AFC Championship game. I think we will end up going to NE but I think we can win there and will be in the Superbowl, and win the Superbowl. Nobody in the NFC scares me at all.

The only team that concerns me in the NFC is the Giants. Just like last year, their regular season record is shaky.....but they are a complete team.

It would be soooooo epic to see the Manning brothers face off in the big dance.

Perhaps the league will "fix" it so that it will be so....... :)

gunns
12-11-2012, 11:28 AM
Brady's gonna beat u regardless. Might as well bring the heat and try and get some big shots in, rattle his cage a little. Don't mess with his legs but if you got an open shot.. It might be worth the fine.

I agree. The AFC divisional game we won, stats wise Brady had a great day. But I remember us being very successful at rattling him. I thought he was going to kill Lynch. He's not used to being rattled on a consistent basis.

Another thing isn't so much that they cause turnovers, it's the other team doing incredibly stupid things consistently, each week. But the Pats keep their eye on the ball at all times so as not to lose balls or to capitalize on other teams mistakes. Well disciplined, yes they are.

lonestar
12-11-2012, 11:41 AM
I say the staff needs to have that Seattle game on film. The 2nd half of that game the Seahawks strangled that patriots offense. Brady throws 58 times and only achieves 2 field goals in that half?

The key is personel the hawks have them we do not.

edog24
12-11-2012, 11:45 AM
The Texans defense seemed to settle down after they got used to the pace, and it wasn't helping that their offense kept shooting themselves in the dick when it was still a game.

Looked very similar to the early parts of the Broncos-Pats game in October except the Broncos fought back to make it respectable.

It looked like NE called off the dogs once they got 21 easy ones. I think they could have scored in the 60s if they were full gas all night.

ScottXray
12-11-2012, 11:49 AM
The key to us beating them is to not let them get up big early. Whether that is the defense getting to Brady or just not giving up TDs , and or the offense matching them score for score. You cannot let them get ahead early and allow the NE defense to tee off because you are one dimensional. They have done that to us the last few times and they did it to Houston last night. The difference was that Houstons QB could not get his shyt together last night, even though their defense adjusted well after the first 25 minutes.

It is hard to do but they depend on those early leads to set the tone and demoralise their opponents.

So it will take a no mistake offense and very good defense to keep in the game early.
If we can keep them to a 3-7 point lead, at most, early on or by the half I think we can take them, even in NE.

Also you have to keep their LB blitzes controlled. Ninkovich has been our thorn in the side the last 2 times getting to our QB and he must be accounted for.

Steve Sewell
12-11-2012, 11:55 AM
Listening to the radio this morning, someone said (correctly, I believe) that the key to slowing the Patriots down is the ability to pass rush with only the front four while disguising coverage and minimizing mistakes from the back 7. They neutralized Watt and took advantage of man coverage all night which allowed them to destroy Houston in quick fashion (Houston's secondary is abysmal IMO)

It feels like the Broncos are building toward being able to effectively rush the passer with four, and to me right now the back 7 hasn't been better in awhile if you include the emergence of players like Carter, Harris, Travathan, and Morris. It feels like they should be able to match up well with the Pats in coverage. Add to that solid veteran play from Mike Adams and DJ Williams, and it seems like Denver is trending toward matching up really well overall with the Patriots come playoff time.

IMO...if Denver's offense can get off to a fast start and maintain what they are capable of producing, New England can't hang with them defensively...whereas Denver has a good chance of matching up pretty well defensively.

The big question is, when is Denver's offense going to put together a truly solid 4 quarters vs. a quality opponent?

sinuous sausage
12-11-2012, 12:00 PM
6-0 in favor of not scared, yet this whole forum is stuck on being petrified of playing in NE. Who cares who we play and where? Half the forum is afraid of Baltimore, as if today's Baltimore is yesterday's Colts, and Baltimore isn't even that good.

they kinda are, aren't they?

sinuous sausage
12-11-2012, 12:11 PM
Brady's gonna beat u regardless. Might as well bring the heat and try and get some big shots in, rattle his cage a little. Don't mess with his legs but if you got an open shot.. It might be worth the fine.

I second this. Brady oftentimes looks oblivious to the fact he's playing football out there because he gets the ball out to his receivers so quickly. Roll the dice with some audacious blitzing early and, even if you dig a 7-0 or 10-0 hole in the first quarter, make sure he gets hit a few times. It'll pay dividends later on.

Sitting back and letting Welker scamper about on short out-routes only lets him get into a groove and score anyway. Bat down a couple passes and harry that handsome devil in the pocket. We have the pass rush personnel for it and the secondary is one of the most opportunistic I can remember. It only takes a few stalled drives from NE for PFM to put the game out of reach. Tho my biggest fear is being up 28-10 in the fourth quarter of a playoff game and Denver taking a blow with prevent defense. Then we lose 31-28 in OT.

Punisher
12-11-2012, 12:21 PM
We adjuist to the pats very well in the 2nd half just saying.

enjolras
12-11-2012, 12:43 PM
We adjuist to the pats very well in the 2nd half just saying.

In the game earlier this season the Pats could have scored whatever they wanted. People here really discount just how thorough that beating was.

It's a different and much better defense today so I'll be curious to see how it matches up. I certainly wouldn't favor us to win unfortunately.

CEH
12-11-2012, 12:46 PM
The Pats and Brady in paticular are average during the 2nd half of games. You saw Hou force 4 consective 3 and outs . Should have been been 5 consective but the PI penalty allowed NE to score it's 3rd touchdown

That was 4 failed chances by Houstons offense to get back in a 21-0 game.

The Denver offense will need to show up in NE cause NE will put up 28 on any defense so our O will need to score 29 + unless weather conditions exists

broncosteven
12-11-2012, 12:52 PM
I think without the turnovers we would have won the last game.

If we can get off the field on 3rd down I think we can beat them.

I would prefer to face them at home those quick run calls at the line were killer there. Being on the road in the playoffs they wouldn't be able to call that as easily.

g6matty
12-11-2012, 01:39 PM
Where is clamchowda

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Where is clamchowda

Hopefully incarcerated.

rbackfactory80
12-11-2012, 01:46 PM
The playoffs are win or go home and Peyton has not been great historically in the playoffs. If he gets over the mental hurdles of all the **** games he played at Foxboro, and Denver plays a true game front to back, then I am not worried. Denver can't go in there and not score on their first 3 possessions and expect to have any chance.

I don't want the bye, call me crazy. This team needs to have and keep momentum. I almost am pulling for a loss this weekend because an 11 game streak going into the playoffs seems a little to much. (almost)

rbackfactory80
12-11-2012, 01:47 PM
The playoffs are win or go home and Peyton has not been great historically in the playoffs. If he gets over the mental hurdles of all the **** games he played at Foxboro, and Denver plays a true game front to back, then I am not worried. Denver can't go in there and not score on their first 3 possessions and expect to have any chance.

I don't want the bye, call me crazy. This team needs to have and keep momentum. I almost am pulling for a loss this weekend because an 11 game streak going into the playoffs seems a little to much. (almost)

I say almost because we don't want to lose to every good team going into the playoffs.

sinuous sausage
12-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Hopefully incarcerated.

he'd have to change his handle to raidas4lyfe if that's the case

broncocalijohn
12-11-2012, 02:01 PM
It looked like NE called off the dogs once they got 21 easy ones. I think they could have scored in the 60s if they were full gas all night.

When was the last time Bellicheat has ever called off the dogs? Houston finally started to play some D for some brief moments.

cmhargrove
12-11-2012, 02:22 PM
The playoffs are win or go home and Peyton has not been great historically in the playoffs. If he gets over the mental hurdles of all the **** games he played at Foxboro, and Denver plays a true game front to back, then I am not worried. Denver can't go in there and not score on their first 3 possessions and expect to have any chance.

I don't want the bye, call me crazy. This team needs to have and keep momentum. I almost am pulling for a loss this weekend because an 11 game streak going into the playoffs seems a little to much. (almost)

I say almost because we don't want to lose to every good team going into the playoffs.

I think the bye week really helped this team gameplan for the Saints. I think it would only help us be more prepared for our eventual playoff opponent, and it also guarantees a divisional round home game. Our team is very good, but not tremendously deep. Minimize injuries, stay fresh.

I understand your point, but I think this new Broncos team benefits from a bye week. I don't think we have to fear the "lull" of a week off with Manning at the helm.

ozomulsion
12-11-2012, 06:58 PM
We don't match up well against the Pats, it's as simple as that. We don't apply QB pressure up the gut. They're the team I would least like to play in the playoffs.

maher_tyler
12-11-2012, 07:09 PM
44.44% of this boards members are pussies! Look between your legs to check and make sure you have a pair!

maher_tyler
12-11-2012, 07:13 PM
In the game earlier this season the Pats could have scored whatever they wanted. People here really discount just how thorough that beating was.

It's a different and much better defense today so I'll be curious to see how it matches up. I certainly wouldn't favor us to win unfortunately.

We turned the ball over and had Joe Mays at MLB. Add to the fact Manning and the D have been playing much better since that game.

RedskinBronco
12-11-2012, 07:14 PM
44.44% of this boards members are pussies! Look between your legs to check and make sure you have a pair!

I approve this message. It is what it is, if you want to be the champ; nothing should phase you.

I mean NE has a good advantage at home but it's not like the Broncos could not pull it off or anything...

I like this Broncos team and I think they will perform well in January and hopefully into February

TonyR
12-11-2012, 07:38 PM
We don't match up well against the Pats, it's as simple as that. We don't apply QB pressure up the gut. They're the team I would least like to play in the playoffs.

Yup. That and we can't cover TE's, and they have two that can really make you pay.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-19-2012, 09:17 AM
Interesting that the patriots fanbase has gone into hysterics mode about the possibility of playing IN Denver. Lock up that 2 seed!

TonyR
12-19-2012, 11:02 AM
Good read at IAOFM yesterday on defending the Pats:

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/thinking-through-defending-the-patriots

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-19-2012, 11:07 AM
Good read at IAOFM yesterday on defending the Pats:

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/thinking-through-defending-the-patriots

Interesting indeed. Lots of things can happen though assuming the broncos hold the 2 seed. Like the pats getting upset in the first round. Or Brady popping a knee. Etc etc.

Will be fun to see who would play against pats in 1st round if the broncos win these last 2 games

Agamemnon
12-19-2012, 11:16 AM
We would've beat them earlier this year without the stupid turnovers. I have no reason to believe we won't beat them if and when we see them again.

Agamemnon
12-19-2012, 11:19 AM
We don't match up well against the Pats, it's as simple as that. We don't apply QB pressure up the gut. They're the team I would least like to play in the playoffs.

Their defense doesn't match up well against anything our offense does. So I fail to see your point.

Unless they win the turnover battle they don't have a prayer of beating us, especially at home.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-19-2012, 11:22 AM
Their defense doesn't match up well against anything our offense does. So I fail to see your point.

Unless they win the turnover battle they don't have a prayer of beating us, especially at home.

Yep. Their turnover ratio is some crazy positive number for them this year. Add in their no huddle and it increases their total offensive plays in a game. More offensive plays means more chances to score. When we played them the TOs and no huddle resulted in like 89 offensive plays for them. That's alot

55CrushEm
12-19-2012, 12:52 PM
Yep. Their turnover ratio is some crazy positive number for them this year. Add in their no huddle and it increases their total offensive plays in a game. More offensive plays means more chances to score. When we played them the TOs and no huddle resulted in like 89 offensive plays for them. That's alot

This. Defensively, we have to get off the field on 3rd down.......and especially on 3rd and 17, we can't be giving up 19 yard runs to Boner.

Agamemnon
12-19-2012, 03:56 PM
~42% of OM posters are pussies.