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TheReverend
12-09-2012, 06:02 PM
So I was reading through the Von Miller DPOY award and I remembered thinking Von iced his claim for DPOY with his pick 6, but now Aldon looks poised to set a new sack record and Watt's having a crazy year, and it got me to thinking how ALL of the awards are a muddled mess this season.

Example:

In another year, Alfred Morris and Doug Martin would be easy picks for ROY... now between Luck and Griffin, no one even considers them in the race.

Comeback player of the year? Peyton's having one of his best ever and AD Peterson might crack 2-****ing-k months removed from his surgery.

MVP? Who the hell knows...

Every award is a confusing pile of wow.

Requiem
12-09-2012, 06:04 PM
Aldon is at 19.5 now, right? That game against the Bears definitely helped.

Been an awesome year of football.

baja
12-09-2012, 06:06 PM
I would not be surprised to see co winners in more than one category

Watt & Miller = co DPOY

Manning & Peterson = co come back player of the year.

Think Manning gets the MVP though.

Last year Denver is a gimmick team with a lot of luck enter Peyton Manning and Denver is the odds on favorite to win the SB by many respected analysts

extralife
12-09-2012, 06:08 PM
I don't really think there's an MVP this year. It's possible that they split MVP and Comeback player between Peyton and AP just to give them each something. Honestly, I think JJ Watt should win MVP. With no clear cut QB/skill position player at all, maybe people should turn to the defense for once. We might have three guys get 20 sacks this year, with Watt and Von throwing up ridiculous TFL and pressure stats as well. Watt's Straight Dumb amount of defended passes gives him the edge as far as I'm concerned.

TheChamp24
12-09-2012, 06:11 PM
I love Peyton for what he has done for us, but Peterson sure means a heck of a lot more, and in terms is more valuable to his team than Peyton to us.

Also, it is freakin crazy Miller has 16 sacks through 13 games...and is in third in sacks. That is ****ing crazy.

As for Aldon being DPOY, he doesn't come close to the impact Miller and Watt have had.

CEH
12-09-2012, 06:14 PM
Smith is a pass rush specialist. An inch wide and a mile deep. Miller is a mile wide and a mile deep

I would guess it comes down to Miller and Watts

Kaylore
12-09-2012, 06:16 PM
The sack record needs to fall because the current one is a sham.

gyldenlove
12-09-2012, 06:21 PM
So I was reading through the Von Miller DPOY award and I remembered thinking Von iced his claim for DPOY with his pick 6, but now Aldon looks poised to set a new sack record and Watt's having a crazy year, and it got me to thinking how ALL of the awards are a muddled mess this season.

Example:

In another year, Alfred Morris and Doug Martin would be easy picks for ROY... now between Luck and Griffin, no one even considers them in the race.

Comeback player of the year? Peyton's having one of his best ever and AD Peterson might crack 2-****ing-k months removed from his surgery.

MVP? Who the hell knows...

Every award is a confusing pile of wow.

There is not a single award right now that is anywhere near decided. MVP is probably going to be between Manning, Brady and Rodgers - but who gets it?

Offensive player of the year is down to Calvin Johnson and AD - both are on their way to having all time great seasons, AD could reach 2k rushing and Megatron might beat out Jerry Rice's record for receiving yards in a season.

Defensive player of the year is down to Von Miller and JJ Watt - unless Aldon Smith obliterates the sack record. Aldon Smith is not nearly as complete a player as Watt or Miller and only has 1 stat. Miller and Watt both produce more sacks per rush attempt, both have a ton of tackles for loss. I think the Chicago CBs have fallen out of the race although Tillman was definitely in the mix for a while.

Offensive rookie is going to be Luck if he gets to the playoffs - if he doesn't then Griffin will get it. Luck, Griffin and Wilson are having outstanding rookie seasons, Morris and Martin are both doing very well as well, all in all a really tough year to get this award.

Defensive rookie of the year is the only award that is lackluster. Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David are the favourites with Chandler Jones and Janoris Jenkins as outsiders. Whoever can finish hot will take it.

Any serious coach of the year race must have Kubiak, Mike Smith, and Pete Carroll, but there are several good candidates this year.

bowtown
12-09-2012, 06:26 PM
I love Peyton for what he has done for us, but Peterson sure means a heck of a lot more, and in terms is more valuable to his team than Peyton to us.

Also, it is freakin crazy Miller has 16 sacks through 13 games...and is in third in sacks. That is ****ing crazy.

As for Aldon being DPOY, he doesn't come close to the impact Miller and Watt have had.

You really think Peterson means that much more to Minn than Manning means to us?

MagicHef
12-09-2012, 06:27 PM
I don't really think there's an MVP this year. It's possible that they split MVP and Comeback player between Peyton and AP just to give them each something. Honestly, I think JJ Watt should win MVP. With no clear cut QB/skill position player at all, maybe people should turn to the defense for once. We might have three guys get 20 sacks this year, with Watt and Von throwing up ridiculous TFL and pressure stats as well. Watt's Straight Dumb amount of defended passes gives him the edge as far as I'm concerned.

Personally, I'll take the 5 extra forced fumbles, 1 interception and TD over some tipped balls.

Von also has 19 more QB pressures than Watt.

TheReverend
12-09-2012, 06:37 PM
Defensive rookie of the year is the only award that is lackluster. Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David are the favourites with Chandler Jones and Janoris Jenkins as outsiders. Whoever can finish hot will take it.

Janoris should be winning that, imo, then Lavonte, then Wagner then Jones.

Hamrob
12-09-2012, 07:03 PM
I love Peyton for what he has done for us, but Peterson sure means a heck of a lot more, and in terms is more valuable to his team than Peyton to us.

Also, it is freakin crazy Miller has 16 sacks through 13 games...and is in third in sacks. That is ****ing crazy.

As for Aldon being DPOY, he doesn't come close to the impact Miller and Watt have had.WRONG! Broncos without Manning = 5 wins. Vikings with Peterson??? Please, not even close.

Comeback Player of the year. A guy who missed 1 game last year vs. the guy who missed the entire season and had 3 neck surgeries. Not even close.

AP is clearly one of the best ever....but, he's not as valuable as PM and his comeback is not as impressive as PM's either.

Tim
12-09-2012, 07:04 PM
Smith is a pass rush specialist. An inch wide and a mile deep. Miller is a mile wide and a mile deep

I would guess it comes down to Miller and Watts

joel?

Requiem
12-09-2012, 07:06 PM
Minnesota doesn't even crack 4 wins without Peterson. He absolutely means more to that team than Manning does to us.

tsiguy96
12-09-2012, 07:06 PM
PFF had some interesting stats on smith last week, see if i can find them..

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/27/defensive-player-of-the-year-high-wattage/

1. J.J. Watt, DE, HST

In a close race our staff opted for Watt as the top guy. It’s not hard to see why, as Watt has broken the PFF Batted Pass record already with 12, while adding 49 quarterback disruptions and 35 stops in the run game.

2. Von Miller, OLB, DEN

The Bronco was No. 2 on all ballots in large part because of his incredible ability to generate pressure. His 16.6 Pass Rushing Productivity rating leads the league, while nobody has more than his 13 tackles for a loss. He’s a force.

8. Aldon Smith, SF, OLB

The controversial one. To many, Smith with his league-leading sack numbers is the No. 1 guy, yet he didn’t feature higher than seventh for any of our analysts. Why? Despite the massive amount of sacks, he hasn’t generated pressure as consistently as others and isn’t the every-down player some are. He’s having a great year, but there are others better.

this is 2 weeks old, but you get the idea and it still holds true.

bowtown
12-09-2012, 07:15 PM
Janoris should be winning that, imo, then Lavonte, then Wagner then Jones.

Wait, Rev thinks a cb should be winning an award? Weird.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-09-2012, 07:17 PM
Minnesota doesn't even crack 4 wins without Peterson. He absolutely means more to that team than Manning does to us.

Uh....Peyton Manning has completely changed the culture of this team. This is 100 percent his team. There's no way ANYONE is worth more than their team. You could argue equal, but MORE?

bowtown
12-09-2012, 07:20 PM
Minnesota doesn't even crack 4 wins without Peterson. He absolutely means more to that team than Manning does to us.

Curious how many games you think we'd have won this year with Hainey, Oz or Tebow as our QB.

TheReverend
12-09-2012, 07:27 PM
Wait, Rev thinks a cb should be winning an award? Weird.

lol that's a lot more rare than you think.

gyldenlove
12-09-2012, 07:44 PM
Janoris should be winning that, imo, then Lavonte, then Wagner then Jones.

Janoris had an extended period of playing like ****, which is why he was benched. He had a few very strong games early and then some very strong ones since being benched, but for about 6 or so games he was pretty bad.

I think Lavonte has been the most consistent but probably lacks enough wow stats to win it.

TheReverend
12-09-2012, 07:47 PM
^ crap, I forgot Casey Heyward. HAS to be in the discussion too. Easily rates.

broncosteven
12-09-2012, 08:00 PM
So I was reading through the Von Miller DPOY award and I remembered thinking Von iced his claim for DPOY with his pick 6, but now Aldon looks poised to set a new sack record and Watt's having a crazy year, and it got me to thinking how ALL of the awards are a muddled mess this season.

Example:

In another year, Alfred Morris and Doug Martin would be easy picks for ROY... now between Luck and Griffin, no one even considers them in the race.

Comeback player of the year? Peyton's having one of his best ever and AD Peterson might crack 2-****ing-k months removed from his surgery.

MVP? Who the hell knows...

Every award is a confusing pile of wow.

Peyton missed an entire year, Peterson played most of last year.

Peyton deserves Comeback and MVP.

I still think Von is more valuable to have than Smith, Von has the FF's, INT, Sacks, tackles ETC, Smith has just the Sack lead. If Von is within one or two of Smith's sack total at the end of the year he should win it based on his FF, INT, passes defensed, total tackles, Run stuffs and stuffed yards lost. Smiths other stats are meager at best.

I am enjoying rubbing in the fact that Von is only 3 FF behind Tillman and the fact that Tillman has been forced out of DPOY contention to all my bear fan friends. After today's bad loss they really hate me.

broncosteven
12-09-2012, 08:03 PM
Minnesota doesn't even crack 4 wins without Peterson. He absolutely means more to that team than Manning does to us.

Ummm how many games do we win without Manning?

You can replace RB's and get production to win games. Minn won today because of 2 pick 6's

UberBroncoMan
12-09-2012, 08:03 PM
Curious how many games you think we'd have won this year with Hainey, Oz or Tebow as our QB.

This.

We were a 1-4 team to start off last year with a pocket QB in Orton.

UberBroncoMan
12-09-2012, 08:04 PM
Peyton missed an entire year, Peterson played most of last year.

Peyton deserves Comeback and MVP.

I still think Von is more valuable to have than Smith, Von has the FF's, INT, Sacks, tackles ETC, Smith has just the Sack lead. If Von is within one or two of Smith's sack total at the end of the year he should win it based on his FF, INT, passes defensed, total tackles, Run stuffs and stuffed yards lost. Smiths other stats are meager at best.

I am enjoying rubbing in the fact that Von is only 3 FF behind Tillman and the fact that Tillman has been forced out of DPOY contention to all my bear fan friends. After today's bad loss they really hate me.

I don't think Smith is even in the conversation. It's between Watt and Miller.

FearLanier
12-09-2012, 08:07 PM
It's gonna be close. AD has been so good this year. He means so much to the Vikings.

I know Jamaal Charles won't win it, but I think he should at least be in the conversation. 1,200 yards and 5 YPC is damn impressive for a RB coming off an ACL injury.

Before this year a ton of people said both AD and Charles wouldn't be the same because of their ACL surgeries. History was against them, but they proved everyone wrong.

It's been remarkable what Manning, AD and Charles have done this year. Goes to show if you work hard and are committed nothing can hold you down for long.

DBroncos4life
12-09-2012, 08:11 PM
It's gonna be close. AD has been so good this year. He means so much to the Vikings.

I know Jamaal Charles won't win it, but I think he should at least be in the conversation. 1,200 yards and 5 YPC is damn impressive for a RB coming off an ACL injury.

Before this year a ton of people said both AD and Charles wouldn't be the same because of their ACL surgeries. History was against them, but they proved everyone wrong.

It's been remarkable what Manning, AD and Charles have done this year. Goes to show if you work hard and are committed nothing can hold you down for long.

I brought up Charles when I started a thread about the comeback player of the year earlier. Any other year he would be right in the thick of it.

broncosteven
12-09-2012, 08:18 PM
It's gonna be close. AD has been so good this year. He means so much to the Vikings.

I know Jamaal Charles won't win it, but I think he should at least be in the conversation. 1,200 yards and 5 YPC is damn impressive for a RB coming off an ACL injury.

Before this year a ton of people said both AD and Charles wouldn't be the same because of their ACL surgeries. History was against them, but they proved everyone wrong.

It's been remarkable what Manning, AD and Charles have done this year. Goes to show if you work hard and are committed nothing can hold you down for long.

Charles needs another 300 yard game to pass Peterson and get into the conversation. Having a solid season doesn't win awards. I know kFc fans haven't had any SB's in over 40 years so their version of success is different than the rest of the leagues but still.

broncosteven
12-09-2012, 08:20 PM
I don't think Smith is even in the conversation. It's between Watt and Miller.

If you look at his stats and watch him play compared to Miller or even Watt he shouldn't be in it. Sadly duh bears got him in the conversation with a 5 game sack performance.

FearLanier
12-09-2012, 09:27 PM
Charles needs another 300 yard game to pass Peterson and get into the conversation. Having a solid season doesn't win awards. I know kFc fans haven't had any SB's in over 40 years so their version of success is different than the rest of the leagues but still.

That wasn't the point of the post.

Kaylore
12-09-2012, 10:09 PM
There are elements that hurt everyone for the MVP vote.

Adrian Peterson - AD is having a legendary year, one that may break Dickerson's mark. Coming off an injury and doing what he has with complete noob at QB is awesome. However they do have a decent defense, and likely will not make the playoffs. I have a hard time giving an MVP award to a guy on a team that didn't make the playoffs. You can say "well they would really suck if he wasn't on them" which is fine, but you can say that about all the other average teams.

Tom Brady - He has thrown 25 touchdowns against just four interceptions, most off deflections. He also is playing with a below average defense and has locked up their division. What hurts him is they have a lot of weapons. The best tight end in football, and best pair of tight ends in football and an awesome running game. I also think the year he got hurt and Cassel rode them to 11-5 hurt people's vision of him, thinking it was the system, and not him somehow. He seems to be not being talked about in the media, though he deserves to be.

Peyton Manning - Manning has 30 TD's to 10 interceptions - that's still a 3-1 ratio, but Brady's is better by far. However Manning is on a new team, coming off 4 neck surgeries, and doesn't have the talent around him that Brady does. He's changed the culture of the team in a large measure. However he is playing with a great special teams and a top five defense. He also plays in a really crappy division and his numbers aren't as good as other players. He's probably got Comeback player of the year, though if AD gets the record, that could be odd too.

Aaron Rogers - Rogers is one of the most sacked QB's in the league. His defense is sucky and they lost all their running backs early in the year and have been throwing whoever back there. Despite all this he leads the league in passer rating and has his team on pace to win the division. You could make the case he is pulling an average team into the playoffs. That's what you want to see out of an MVP.

Matt Ryan - I'm including him only because he was on many peoples' list. He's really blown it the last few weeks. There was his 5 int performance a few weeks ago. That he's finished with a QB rating in the 60's in the past four games, and now he lost to one of the worst teams in football. Is he a bad QB? Not at all. But he has amazing weapons and has 22 TD's and 13 interceptions to show for it. He's not going to get it.

You could make a case for Watt or Miller to be on this list, but we all know they won't get serious consideration and will save that for DPY, which I'll outline later.

Honestly I would consider Rogers at this point just based on what happened to the team and the division and issues he's overcome. I do think how all finish the last <s>four</s> three games will determine who gets it. If Manning goes off and we finish 13-3, you have to consider that. If Rogers falters, that could hurt him. Ryan has all but played his way out of this.

Bacchus
12-09-2012, 10:13 PM
I love Peyton for what he has done for us, but Peterson sure means a heck of a lot more, and in terms is more valuable to his team than Peyton to us.



Really, What is Denver's record with Ozweiler at QB? I agree Peterson is a beast and what he has done is amazing but if the Vikings do not make the playoffs then I think it is a moot point. If the Vikings do make the playoffs then I think Peterson should get it.

extralife
12-09-2012, 10:14 PM
Tom Brady - He has thrown 35 touchdowns against just four interceptions, most off deflections.

25 TDs, not 35

Kaylore
12-09-2012, 10:23 PM
Defensive player of the year.

Aldon Smith - He's got the sack total. That's the bottom line. He may break the record. Michael Strahan got it in 2001 for that reason (and probably because he was a Giant) despite the joke that was Favre falling down just to be included. Regardless, getting the sack total will help. What will hurt is how he feasted on bad lines with bad QB's and that he doesn't do much else.

JJ Watt - He is "right there" with the sacks and has the passes deflected at the line. He's also up there in tackles for a loss and is a big part of why the Texans have the best record in the AFC. What could hurt him is a lack of forced fumbles or turnovers in general. I don't know how many of his deflections resulted in interceptions, so that could be considered, but he's getting a lot of credit and has been the front runner. It seems a lot of people have already made up their mind about him and not without some good reasons, but it should be closer.

Von Miller - He's also "right there" with the sacks. However he also plays coverage and doesn't blitz every down so that means fewer opportunities. He leads in tackles for a loss, but more importantly, he has more forced fumbles than both Smith and Watt combined. He also has an interception and has scored a TD. He's definitely the most balanced of the players I have listed. What could hurt him is playing opposite Elvis helps him get singled up, he has a great secondary and Manning plays QB. They could see him as a talented player on a good team. Also the media seems like they decided it was Watt in October.

Tim Jennings - Leads the league in Interceptions. Forces a lot of incompletions as he tackles his receiver. Smart, tough and physical. He won't get it because he's a corner. And frankly the other guys are better.

I think Jennings is out. I thought Smith was distant third, but getting the sack record could change that. That said, if Miller continues to force fumbles AND get sacks, he could get it. One more int a few sacks and forced fumbles will lock it up for Von. I think Watt is the favorite right now, but he plays a lot of good offenses the rest of the way. It's really too close to call, but Miller has a chance.

Kaylore
12-09-2012, 10:24 PM
25 TDs, not 35

Thank you! I mis-read it. Suddenly I feel better about Brady not getting it!

I also didn't mention that Manning leads the league in yardage. I'm luke-warm on yardage, but the media loves it.

TheReverend
12-09-2012, 10:31 PM
Tim Jennings - Leads the league in Interceptions. Forces a lot of incompletions as he tackles his receiver. Smart, tough and physical. He won't get it because he's a corner. And frankly the other guys are better.

Peterson, Tillman and maybe even Cromartie are having better all around DB performances than Jennings, but none belong in the DPOY convo this year.

cutthemdown
12-09-2012, 10:58 PM
The only reason the sacks are piling up like this is because teams throw 30 plus a game all over the league.

Could you imagine what Derrick Thomas or Reggie White etc would do getting 30 chances for sacks every game.

Lots of records will go down because of what the league has done to the rules. its sort of joke. It's almost impossible to play defense anymore.

extralife
12-09-2012, 11:01 PM
The only reason the sacks are piling up like this is because teams throw 30 plus a game all over the league.

but QBs don't hang on to the ball nearly as long as they used to. the 7 step drop basically doesn't exist and receivers are allowed clean releases for free.

cutthemdown
12-09-2012, 11:02 PM
I think comeback player has to be Manning because people were thinking he really was done playing football. With AD and Charles people only thought they wouldnt have big years.

Manning though had multiple surgeries and it was seriousy in doubt whether he could play football anymore. Or if he would even want to. Think about how much he had to want it. He has a ring, he has records, mvps, millions of dollars and a long NFL career already to stick in the books. That makes Manning the clear winner IMO.

extralife
12-09-2012, 11:04 PM
Thank you! I mis-read it. Suddenly I feel better about Brady not getting it!

I also didn't mention that Manning leads the league in yardage. I'm luke-warm on yardage, but the media loves it.

he only led the league in yards because he played on thursday. as of now he's fifth behind Brees, Stafford, Ryan, and Romo

cutthemdown
12-09-2012, 11:08 PM
but QBs don't hang on to the ball nearly as long as they used to. the 7 step drop basically doesn't exist and receivers are allowed clean releases for free.

Those are all factors helping records go down. Thy make it tough for defenses to stop a passing attack. So more teams pass. So more wr records go down. More qb records go down. But in the process defense gets more sacks and more interceptions because of the increase in opportunity. So its records for everyone.

Exactly what the leage wants. I dont really mind it except when i see these crap roughing penalties on dbacks and pass rushers just trying to make a play.

BroncoMan4ever
12-09-2012, 11:16 PM
Aldon is at 19.5 now, right? That game against the Bears definitely helped.

Been an awesome year of football.

I can't see Aldon winning DPOY. he is too one dimensional(a really awesome one dimensional) but Watt and Von are well rounded players playing dominant football. Add in SF has a pretty well stocked front 7. Would his impact be as big if he played in another city? Von has raised a defense from NFL abyss. At worst; co-dpoy with Von and Watt

SonOfLe-loLang
12-09-2012, 11:22 PM
I think comeback player has to be Manning because people were thinking he really was done playing football. With AD and Charles people only thought they wouldnt have big years.

Manning though had multiple surgeries and it was seriousy in doubt whether he could play football anymore. Or if he would even want to. Think about how much he had to want it. He has a ring, he has records, mvps, millions of dollars and a long NFL career already to stick in the books. That makes Manning the clear winner IMO.

Not to mention, he did it on a different team. That cant be understated.

R8R H8R
12-09-2012, 11:43 PM
Assuming Peyton & AP finish the season strong, this is how I see it playing out:

They won't give co-MPV's, so they will compromise. AP will probably get Comeback Player of the Year, but Manning will get MVP. I think they will give the benefit of the doubt to PM because the Broncos are considered serious SB contenders, and I don't think the Vikings are, and that will be the difference.

DPOY is another story, however. If there ever was a year to have co-DPOY, this is it. I just don't know if they have the balls to do it, so I'll say Von Miller gets it, just because he may benefit from PM's good publicity.

Kaylore
12-09-2012, 11:47 PM
They've had co-mvp's before. Why is this year any different?

R8R H8R
12-09-2012, 11:51 PM
They've had co-mvp's before. Why is this year any different?

I didn't know that, but I still believe PM will get it outright. However, for DPOY, co-Awards would probably be the fair thing to do.

extralife
12-09-2012, 11:55 PM
Peyton himself was co-MVP once (03, with Steve McNair).

cutthemdown
12-09-2012, 11:57 PM
Not to mention, he did it on a different team. That cant be understated.

With all the other stuff I never even thought about that. Hell yeah first yr with a team that last yr played Tebow option ball. Really an amazing QB i used to hate, but only because he kicked the crap out of us.

Broncoman13
12-10-2012, 06:36 AM
There is not a single award right now that is anywhere near decided. MVP is probably going to be between Manning, Brady and Rodgers - but who gets it?

Offensive player of the year is down to Calvin Johnson and AD - both are on their way to having all time great seasons, AD could reach 2k rushing and Megatron might beat out Jerry Rice's record for receiving yards in a season.

Defensive player of the year is down to Von Miller and JJ Watt - unless Aldon Smith obliterates the sack record. Aldon Smith is not nearly as complete a player as Watt or Miller and only has 1 stat. Miller and Watt both produce more sacks per rush attempt, both have a ton of tackles for loss. I think the Chicago CBs have fallen out of the race although Tillman was definitely in the mix for a while.

Offensive rookie is going to be Luck if he gets to the playoffs - if he doesn't then Griffin will get it. Luck, Griffin and Wilson are having outstanding rookie seasons, Morris and Martin are both doing very well as well, all in all a really tough year to get this award.

Defensive rookie of the year is the only award that is lackluster. Bobby Wagner and Lavonte David are the favourites with Chandler Jones and Janoris Jenkins as outsiders. Whoever can finish hot will take it.

Any serious coach of the year race must have Kubiak, Mike Smith, and Pete Carroll, but there are several good candidates this year.

Good post!

I think the job Pete Carroll is doing in Seattle is probably tops in the league. Rookie QB and a team that he built in a few short years is able to compete every Sunday. I know they aren't the same team away from Seattle, but they're still a ball club that can win come playoffs with tough defense and a great running game.

I remember a few years back when there was never a RB that had posted 1000 yards as a rookie that DIDN'T win Rookie of the Year. This year, there will be two that don't... and nobody will ask why b/c there are two rookie QBs that are really setting the league on fire!

As for DPOY, Von is having a phenomenal season. Sacks, fumbles, and TFLs and in most years he would already have it wrapped up. Aldon Smith, when he sets the record is a contender. JJ Watt is the favorite IMO. And honestly, I'd be okay with Von not winning it. He will already command a huge pay day... winning DPOY will only drive that price up. We get a DPOY caliber season from him and let the Texans or 49ers pay that premium. Still, it would be awesome to see one of our own get that honor.

TheReverend
12-10-2012, 08:05 AM
Haven't seen anyone mention it, but I would go Pagano/Arians for Coach of the Year, honestly. That's a hell of a turnaround with some really weird surrounding circumstances.

crowebomber
12-10-2012, 08:08 AM
JJ can have DPOY. I'm hoping Von or Peyton can lockup SBMVP.

TonyR
12-10-2012, 08:13 AM
Tom Brady - He has thrown 25 touchdowns against just four interceptions, most off deflections. He also is playing with a below average defense and has locked up their division. What hurts him is they have a lot of weapons. The best tight end in football, and best pair of tight ends in football and an awesome running game. I also think the year he got hurt and Cassel rode them to 11-5 hurt people's vision of him, thinking it was the system, and not him somehow. He seems to be not being talked about in the media, though he deserves to be.

On the plus side for the pro-Brady argument, those TE's have missed quite a few games. Hernandez has missed 7, Gronkowski 3.

Scary thing about those guys: both are only 23.

TheReverend
12-10-2012, 08:23 AM
Crap, forgot about Kuechly for DROY too.

Good lord this is nuts.

Kaylore
12-10-2012, 08:24 AM
Crap, forgot about Kuechly for DROY too.

Good lord this is nuts.

He won't get it because his team sucks. He's been on of the better linebackers in the league this year, though. He is totally fearless, and he apparently does not like his body.

rmsanger
12-10-2012, 08:24 AM
WRONG! Broncos without Manning = 5 wins. Vikings with Peterson??? Please, not even close.

Comeback Player of the year. A guy who missed 1 game last year vs. the guy who missed the entire season and had 3 neck surgeries. Not even close.

AP is clearly one of the best ever....but, he's not as valuable as PM and his comeback is not as impressive as PM's either.

Lulz, dude you drink the f'ing cool aide! I love what Peyton has done but AP clearly is a marvel at what he's come back to do. In the age of the passing era, Manning's significance relative to his peers is not that much greater (Rodgers, Brees, Brady, heck even RGIII).

AP is head and shoulders above all other RBs and has put the Vikings on his back. To take the pounding week in and out like he has when they stack the box is amazing. Minn tells you exactly what they are going to do and defenses cannot stop him. I would suggest his value is higher than any other offensive player in the NFL.

I love the Broncos but c'mon man!

gyldenlove
12-10-2012, 08:26 AM
Crap, forgot about Kuechly for DROY too.

Good lord this is nuts.

Kuechly has nothing on David, David has more than twice as many tackles for loss than Kuechly and Kuechly really only became a difference maker when he was moved to MLB, he played half the season on the outside.

gyldenlove
12-10-2012, 08:32 AM
They've had co-mvp's before. Why is this year any different?

Brady and Manning could very well split it. None of the QBs have run away with it, Brady and Rodgers have dealt with injuries to their skill players, Manning has had the fewest injuries to deal with among his skill players but is on a new team with a new coach and missed an entire year of football. Manning has the best defence of the 3 by a big margin, but I think if we can take the 2nd seed he will be a slight favourite.

TheReverend
12-10-2012, 08:39 AM
Kuechly has nothing on David, David has more than twice as many tackles for loss than Kuechly and Kuechly really only became a difference maker when he was moved to MLB, he played half the season on the outside.

As he should considering how they're played.

I'd take Kuechly over 10 Davids.

ScottXray
12-10-2012, 08:54 AM
Lulz, dude you drink the f'ing cool aide! I love what Peyton has done but AP clearly is a marvel at what he's come back to do. In the age of the passing era, Manning's significance relative to his peers is not that much greater (Rodgers, Brees, Brady, heck even RGIII).

AP is head and shoulders above all other RBs and has put the Vikings on his back. To take the pounding week in and out like he has when they stack the box is amazing. Minn tells you exactly what they are going to do and defenses cannot stop him. I would suggest his value is higher than any other offensive player in the NFL.

I love the Broncos but c'mon man!

Sorry , but AD missed ONE game, last year and Peyton missed an entire year, with MULTIPLE surgeries. Peyton is also older and had more to deal with, with less chance to recover.
Comeback player this year is Peytons for sure.

MVP BOTH are carrying their teams, but if Minnesota misses the playoffs AD will be downrated due to that. As a whole the vote is National and playoff teams get more credence among the voters. For sure AD is the MVP for the vikings, but they will not be relevant in the entire leagues picture. Not fair , but thats the way it goes.

Probably Manning vs Brady for MVP . An early playoff exit by either may give it to the other.

CPA
12-10-2012, 08:59 AM
All I know is that I have both Manning and Peterson on my FF team. I've been kicking ass.