Fox News vs. MSNBC

[TonyR]

I see many times on this forum, and elsewhere, comments from people suggesting that the "liberal" MSM media, particularly MSNBC, is just as bad as Fox News. Here's a good email to Andrew Sullivan's blog disputing such comments:
Can we please stop with the false equivalency that MSNBC is a less-competent Fox? MSNBC is slanted, but here are the things that keep them distinct from Fox:

1) They acknowledge their bias.
2) They don't ignore major news stories.
3) They don't invent news from fiction.
4) They don't fund/promote/create 'grass roots' movements and then cover them as spontaneous.
5) They don't attack and undermine non-partisan fact-checking sources
6) They (particularly Maddow) attempt to get actual important figures from the right to come on, though those figures usually decline
7) They don't employ politicians who are currently running for office while covering those same politicians

These aren't distinctions of competence; they are distinctions of kind. I know you don't care for their treatment of Pat "You-Can't-Say-That-on-Television" Buchanan, but ejecting a single figure for persistent offensive speech is not the same as ejecting an entire class of commentators simply because their arguments may undermine your core propaganda message.

MSNBC is partisan. Fox is false.

Sullivan's response:
I don't think my reader is wrong. But because I'm not a partisan Democrat, all I can say is that Fox is completely shameless in its propaganda and paranoia while MSNBC is just smug with its partisanship and liberalism. So Fox is worse. But forgive me for not watching either - unless for hathetic purposes.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/fox-news-vs-msnbc.html

[houghtam]

I've been arguing this for a long time with some of my conservative friends. I watch MSNBC, FOX and CNN anywhere between 3 and 8 hours a day, since I'm a stay at home dad and don't have anything better to do. I watch from behind a laptop, and research anything they say that I don't already know is fact.

The thing is, that all three of those networks are more or less truthful with their coverage. The difference is mainly on what stories they decide to cover. FOX covers almost entirely conservative interest, MSNBC almost entirely liberal, and CNN is mostly just mainstream.

I will say, that although the majority of stuff each network reports on is true, FOX is in a different category than the other two when it comes to stretching the truth or airing stories as if they are "fluff", but treating the rhetoric from the stories as "stuff". The birther issue is a prime example of that.

[Rohirrim]

I don't see how this can be an issue. The CEO of Fox and his organization are under a 60 count indictment for everything from phone hacking to payoffs. He is a criminal and his organization is disreputable. I'll put it in simple language: The man is a slime and Fox is crooked.

[lonestar]

Pretty much what I expected to read when I saw the thread title.

While I stopped watching fox except for an occasional O Reilly show when I see he is having some one of interest on, I can say the times I by mistake tuned to msnbc, I also vomited from their far far left agenda.

As For CNN yeah sure "mainstream",I guess when you are far left it might be. But it was not called the cliton new network for it shameless coverage of him because of not being biased.

Prior to that it was the communist news network.

[Requiem]

Lonestar must be taking another dump.

[lonestar]

I note dream boi is probably back stabbing again. Typical 47% tactics.

[mhgaffney]

I've been arguing this for a long time with some of my conservative friends. I watch MSNBC, FOX and CNN anywhere between 3 and 8 hours a day, since I'm a stay at home dad and don't have anything better to do. I watch from behind a laptop, and research anything they say that I don't already know is fact.
.

This explains a lot. No wonder you are toast.

3-8 hours of TV a day would brain wash anyone.

There is no defense other than to turn it off. Even the most awake sophisticated person will be affected by subliminal conditioning.

MHG

[Requiem]

I note dream boi is probably back stabbing again. Typical 47% tactics.

I have received reputation points from you recently. You read everything, regardless if you claim to have us on ignore. Stop trying to be Miss Cleostar.

[houghtam]

This explains a lot. No wonder you are toast.

3-8 hours of TV a day would brain wash anyone.

There is no defense other than to turn it off. Even the most awake sophisticated person will be affected by subliminal conditioning.

MHG

Not really.

It's another information medium, that's all. It doesn't negatively affect brain function any more than 3-8 hours of reading or listening to the radio does, especially when done at the same time as other activities, such as folding laundry, vacuuming, playing with the little ones, etc.

[mhgaffney]

Not really.

It's another information medium, that's all. It doesn't negatively affect brain function any more than 3-8 hours of reading or listening to the radio does, especially when done at the same time as other activities, such as folding laundry, vacuuming, playing with the little ones, etc.

No, radio is much less intrusive -- more of a cool medium as Marshall McLuhan would say. TV is much more hypnotic.

So long as you are doing things in the home -- not watching - it will be less of a problem.

Even so -- you are conducting an experiment with your own brain -- with no control over the experiment. You are the mouse.

MHG

[El Minion]

What other "news" organization does this? ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, which?


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Ailes Told Petraeus to Run for President

The Petraeus scandal could have been a whole lot more embarrassing for the U.S. government. Back in 2011, Fox News chairman and Republican media czar Roger Ailes advised Gen. David Petraeus—then the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan—to run for president, The Washington Post reports. In a message passed to Petraeus by Fox News national-security analyst Kathleen T. McFarland, Ailes told the general that he should turn down President Obama’s offer to become CIA director and only accept an appointment as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Should he not get the appointment, Ailes said Petraeus should launch a presidential campaign, which he was considering retiring from Fox News to manage himself. Rupert Murdoch was apparently also keen on a Petraeus presidential run.


Read it at The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/dailybeast/content/dailybeast/articles/2012/12/04/secret-tape-ailes-tried-to-entice-petraeus-to-run.html)
December 3, 2012 11:15 PM

[Rohirrim]

Lonestar must be taking another dump.

Hilarious!

To Lonestar, Sesame Street is a bunch of Bolsheviks.

[lonestar]

Hilarious!

To Lonestar, Sesame Street is a bunch of Bolsheviks.

Could be I have not watched since my first son did back in the early eighties.

Next two kids got way less TV than he did and Kermit and friends were not on the list.

Probably why both were smarter and college schoarlarship winners. Hmmmm

[lonestar]

Hilarious!

To Lonestar, Sesame Street is a bunch of Bolsheviks.

Could be I have not watched since my first son did back in the early eighties.

Next two kids got way less TV than he did and Kermit and friends were not on the list.

Probably why both were smarter and college schoarlarship winners. Hmmmm.

I know that I do not want tax dollars subsideies for the shows that make a profit.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

I see many times on this forum, and elsewhere, comments from people suggesting that the "liberal" MSM media, particularly MSNBC, is just as bad as Fox News. Here's a good email to Andrew Sullivan's blog disputing such comments:


Sullivan's response:


http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/12/fox-news-vs-msnbc.html

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[frerottenextelway]

The only show I catch is Maddow, cuz it's free on iTunes & haven't had cable in a year. It was also the only political show that was worth sh_t when I ditched cable, so whatever.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

I note dream boi is probably back stabbing again. Typical 47% tactics.

dont take it personal i think we disagreed on marijuana some of your points was to put it mildly way out there if you was the guy saying doctors nurses will be high during work .
but if they dont like what you say and say silly remarks so what.
you could always give right back at them hit em with a zinger or two.
or both sides can have a reasonable sane debate .
oh wait internet political forum never mind carry on
loonystar* or umm moonschmuck* there now the lefties will embrace me.
btw any use of those two joking insults are trademarked by me if you use em you owe me a quarter for each use or i shall sue.*


* note i shouldn't have to do this but some of you are incapable of discerning** a joke from a insult

** now without using google tell me what that means

[ant1999e]

The only show I catch is Maddow, cuz it's free on iTunes & haven't had cable in a year. It was also the only political show that was worth sh_t when I ditched cable, so whatever.

Madcow, that explains a lot. I wouldn't watch her if you paid me.

[frerottenextelway]

Madcow, that explains a lot. I wouldn't watch her if you paid me.

Madcow, that's funny!!! At least one of you two is into the dick.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

i always thought she was called mad cow made me chuckle

[ant1999e]

Madcow, that's funny!!! At least one of you two is into the dick.

At least make an attempt to make sense.

[TonyR]

According to multiple Fox sources, Ailes has issued a new directive to his staff: He wants the faces associated with the election off the air — for now. For Karl Rove and Dick Morris — a pair of pundits perhaps most closely aligned with Fox’s anti-Obama campaign — Ailes’s orders mean new rules. Ailes’s deputy, Fox News programming chief Bill Shine, has sent out orders mandating that producers must get permission before booking Rove or Morris. Both pundits made several appearances in the days after the election, but their visibility on the network has dropped markedly. Inside Fox News, Morris’s Romney boosterism and reality-denying predictions became a punch line. At a rehearsal on the Saturday before the election, according to a source, anchor Megyn Kelly chuckled when she relayed to colleagues what someone had told her: "I really like Dick Morris. He’s always wrong but he makes me feel good."
Multiple sources say that Ailes was angry at Rove’s election-night tantrum when he disputed the network’s call for Obama. While the moment made for riveting television — it was Ailes’s decision to have Kelly confront the statisticians on air — in the end, it provided another data point for Fox’s critics.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/12/fox-news-puts-karl-rove-on-the-bench.html

[houghtam]

Didn't FOX also try to recruit David Patraeus to run for President against Obama and offer to bankroll it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/fox-news-chiefs-failed-attempt-to-enlist-petraeus-as-presidential-candidate/2012/12/03/15fdcea8-3d77-11e2-a2d9-822f58ac9fd5_story.html

[El Minion]

Didn't FOX also try to recruit David Patraeus to run for President against Obama and offer to bankroll it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/fox-news-chiefs-failed-attempt-to-enlist-petraeus-as-presidential-candidate/2012/12/03/15fdcea8-3d77-11e2-a2d9-822f58ac9fd5_story.html

??? ;D

What other "news" organization does this? ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, which?


––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
Ailes Told Petraeus to Run for President

The Petraeus scandal could have been a whole lot more embarrassing for the U.S. government. Back in 2011, Fox News chairman and Republican media czar Roger Ailes advised Gen. David Petraeus—then the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan—to run for president, The Washington Post reports. In a message passed to Petraeus by Fox News national-security analyst Kathleen T. McFarland, Ailes told the general that he should turn down President Obama’s offer to become CIA director and only accept an appointment as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Should he not get the appointment, Ailes said Petraeus should launch a presidential campaign, which he was considering retiring from Fox News to manage himself. Rupert Murdoch was apparently also keen on a Petraeus presidential run.


Read it at The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/dailybeast/content/dailybeast/articles/2012/12/04/secret-tape-ailes-tried-to-entice-petraeus-to-run.html)
December 3, 2012 11:15 PM

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

All i see is one network trying to walk in the footsteps of another. It's no secret Fox News blows away the others in ratings, and has for years. Phil Griffin saw this a few years ago that partisanship would fill his pockets with money. In 2008 they started leaning left. 2010 they looked like a curved penis pointing left. Thus becoming a liberal turd they are today. All in the good name of trying to get better ratings and full pockets.

[houghtam]

??? ;D

Dude, you're going to have to do more than bold and underline to get my attention, I'm an 80's child. ^5