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edog24
12-03-2012, 09:47 AM
What are people's thoughts here on this? When it happens, it makes me scream at my TV.

That being said, I get the reasoning behind it: Great punter, obvious passing down=PFM possibly getting sacked, let the D make a great play, etc.

It seemed to turn out ok yesterday, however, I think white bread coaching like that may cost us points or a game against the good teams.

jmz313
12-03-2012, 10:04 AM
Fox is a conservative head coach. You probably heard on the broadcast that he told whoever "I don't need a franchise QB to win". I don't agree with that, and i'm sure most wouldn't since Fox has zero SB rings (as HC at least). he also doesn't have an Andy Reid type reg season record to fall back on.

So Far with Peyton manning at QB and the quality of the D this season, These decisions (even in the almost came back loses) have proven to be smart. I just hope the team responds when we might need to make the big plays in the future.

I would like to see us bury a team for a complete 60 minutes though.

Crushaholic
12-03-2012, 10:20 AM
Fox is a conservative head coach. You probably heard on the broadcast that he told whoever "I don't need a franchise QB to win". I don't agree with that, and i'm sure most wouldn't since Fox has zero SB rings (as HC at least). he also doesn't have an Andy Reid type reg season record to fall back on.

So Far with Peyton manning at QB and the quality of the D this season, These decisions (even in the almost came back loses) have proven to be smart. I just hope the team responds when we might need to make the big plays in the future.

I would like to see us bury a team for a complete 60 minutes though.

I stopped watching, when it was 31-13. I couldn't believe that we let them get that close. You're right. We need to play our best, for 60 minutes...

DBroncos4life
12-03-2012, 10:24 AM
The Bucs went with a three man front and from what I saw Manning checked into the run if I remember right.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-03-2012, 10:29 AM
The Bucs went with a three man front and from what I saw Manning checked into the run if I remember right.

Yep. "Buffalo buffalo". Manning still forgets Lance Ball is behind him.

Rock Chalk
12-03-2012, 10:31 AM
Um, Fox did go to a superbowl with Jake freaking Delhomme.

Im pretty sure he's better at this **** than you people.

TDmvp
12-03-2012, 10:45 AM
Um, Fox did go to a superbowl with Jake freaking Delhomme.

Im pretty sure he's better at this **** than you people.



Yup and at least now we don't run 15 bubble screens a game like we did when Josh was the coach.

As long as we keep winning I don't mind what they call really.

crush17
12-03-2012, 10:52 AM
Manning is taking away the possibility of a turnover via interception, strip sack, etc. He is being conservative and allowing the special teams/defense do what they do. I hate the call but its the right call.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-03-2012, 11:02 AM
That's all fine and dandy, but Fox did not make that call. From the start of that play it looked like they were in shotgun formation.

sinuous sausage
12-03-2012, 11:02 AM
Yep. "Buffalo buffalo". Manning still forgets Lance Ball is behind him.

it's pretty much a disaster any time the words "buffalo" and "football" appear in the same sentence

Dedhed
12-03-2012, 11:02 AM
It doesn't bother me as much as running on 3rd and short.

WolfpackGuy
12-03-2012, 11:03 AM
I can see the reasoning behind it.

The defense was handling their offense pretty well at the time, and there was no sense in risking a turnover, etc.

sinuous sausage
12-03-2012, 11:06 AM
It doesn't bother me as much as running on 3rd and short.

the idea of running on 3rd-and-short doesn't bother me in the abstract. the concrete execution of it sticks in my craw

SonOfLe-loLang
12-03-2012, 11:13 AM
It doesn't bother me as much as running on 3rd and short.

This. I cringe everytime its 2 and 2/3rd and 2, and Manning lines up under center. I think we convert these like 2 percent of the time.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-03-2012, 11:14 AM
This. I cringe everytime its 2 and 2/3rd and 2, and Manning lines up under center. I think we convert these like 2 percent of the time.

Man how many 2nd and 1s did they have yesterday resulting in a negative play or penalty.

sgbfan
12-03-2012, 11:19 AM
You are also 5 yards out of FG range on 3 and 15. Good chance the RB can gain a few and give Prater a chance. But with the way Prater has kicked the last few weeks... Its all because I put him on my fantasy team...

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-03-2012, 11:23 AM
You are also 5 yards out of FG range on 3 and 15. Good chance the RB can gain a few and give Prater a chance. But with the way Prater has kicked the last few weeks... Its all because I put him on my fantasy team...

Take him off! Somethin is wrong with Prater lately and I'm superstitious enough to say its cause he's on your FF team. He almost missed the easy one too.

sgbfan
12-03-2012, 11:27 AM
Take him off! Somethin is wrong with Prater lately and I'm superstitious enough to say its cause he's on your FF team. He almost missed the easy one too.

I will for sure. Then again, maybe everyone hasn't been facing their labels out...

sinuous sausage
12-03-2012, 11:38 AM
I will for sure. Then again, maybe everyone hasn't been facing their labels out...

I'm sure there will come to be a Ray Finkle for the 'labels out' crew

Armchair Bronco
12-03-2012, 11:50 AM
Just confirms my view that Fox needs to grow a pair.

LRtagger
12-03-2012, 11:50 AM
What pissed me off is how we run out of the same formations every time. I can usually call the play correctly before it is snapped 75% of the time and we don't have the Oline to show run and run. It amazes me that we are this good on offense considering.

Broncomutt
12-03-2012, 11:52 AM
Um, Fox did go to a superbowl with Jake freaking Delhomme.

Im pretty sure he's better at this **** than you people.

He's not better than Belichek though, a guy notorius for keeping his foot on the gas. Pretty sure Belichek is better at this **** than you.

Aftermath
12-03-2012, 01:35 PM
I'm just sick of playing conservative when we have a lead in the 4th quarter. It's going to come back and bite them one of these times. It did to the Lions yesterday, although they don't have PFM. The Bucs got within one touchdown(2pt) because of Fox not wanting to run up the score. We need to finish teams like the Pats.

Bacchus
12-03-2012, 02:39 PM
What are people's thoughts here on this? When it happens, it makes me scream at my TV.

That being said, I get the reasoning behind it: Great punter, obvious passing down=PFM possibly getting sacked, let the D make a great play, etc.

It seemed to turn out ok yesterday, however, I think white bread coaching like that may cost us points or a game against the good teams.

I am mad at it at the time BUT everytime Manning has done this the defense has come up and stopped the team. Pretty amazing, if your defense is playing great than I cannot b**** about what they are doing. It seems to be working. I guess they are smarter than the fanbase.


This defense ****ing ROCKS!!!

Bacchus
12-03-2012, 02:41 PM
I'm just sick of playing conservative when we have a lead in the 4th quarter. It's going to come back and bite them one of these times. It did to the Lions yesterday, although they don't have PFM. The Bucs got within one touchdown(2pt) because of Fox not wanting to run up the score. We need to finish teams like the Pats.

They got within 8 points with under 2 minutes and no timeouts left in the game. How many times do teams throw a costly pick or fumble theball late in the game? What they are doing is working.

Bacchus
12-03-2012, 02:43 PM
Manning is taking away the possibility of a turnover via interception, strip sack, etc. He is being conservative and allowing the special teams/defense do what they do. I hate the call but its the right call.

Yeah, me too and I agree.

Cito Pelon
12-03-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm just sick of playing conservative when we have a lead in the 4th quarter. It's going to come back and bite them one of these times. It did to the Lions yesterday, although they don't have PFM. The Bucs got within one touchdown(2pt) because of Fox not wanting to run up the score. We need to finish teams like the Pats.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of letting teams creep back in and it coming down to an onsides kick.

Punisher
12-03-2012, 03:55 PM
At least its not obvious like last year so the hell with it

Lestat
12-03-2012, 04:07 PM
i only like running on third and long if it's a lateral or draw play that's well blocked.
in most cases it doesn't work and you could have called something beyond the sticks(which btw annoys the crap out of me when they run plays 4-5 yards underneath the first down marker and expect the receiver to make a defender miss.

lonestar
12-03-2012, 04:24 PM
The Bucs went with a three man front and from what I saw Manning checked into the run if I remember right.

I do not understand the op when everyone knows Fox is not calling offensive plays. At worst it was a call in from Mc Coy, but we all know that Manning saw what he saw and called the play at the LOS.

Now had that happened between 2-6 years ago you could blame the HC.

But not now.

Mogulseeker
12-03-2012, 04:57 PM
Peyton read a quarter 3 deep coverage and checked down to a Hillman draw... we had a better chance at picking up the first on the draw than passing against a coverage like that.

I called it right before it happened. I was like "watch, this should be a draw."

kappys
12-03-2012, 05:18 PM
It was the right call - Peyton understands what kind of defense Denver has. In pure passing situations we are probably the best in the NFL right now - play to your strength.

DENVERDUI55
12-03-2012, 05:38 PM
What are people's thoughts here on this? When it happens, it makes me scream at my TV.

That being said, I get the reasoning behind it: Great punter, obvious passing down=PFM possibly getting sacked, let the D make a great play, etc.

It seemed to turn out ok yesterday, however, I think white bread coaching like that may cost us points or a game against the good teams.

It really pisses me off when a white RB picks up a first down when they were playing for a punt on 3rd and really long.

Aftermath
12-03-2012, 05:40 PM
They got within 8 points with under 2 minutes and no timeouts left in the game. How many times do teams throw a costly pick or fumble theball late in the game? What they are doing is working.

Teams that don't have Peyton Manning. The Lions played conservatively with the lead just like the Broncos did, except they ended up losing. All I want is to keep attacking, don't let up on the gas pedal.

maher_tyler
12-03-2012, 05:56 PM
Teams that don't have Peyton Manning. The Lions played conservatively with the lead just like the Broncos did, except they ended up losing. All I want is to keep attacking, don't let up on the gas pedal.

When we called 3 straight running plays forcing them to call all their timeouts. I wish they would have tried passing for another first not allowing them to get the ball back. In the end we won but the score should have never been that close.

Bacchus
12-03-2012, 06:16 PM
When we called 3 straight running plays forcing them to call all their timeouts. I wish they would have tried passing for another first not allowing them to get the ball back. In the end we won but the score should have never been that close.

So how many more wins would Denver have gotten if they had won by more points?

bowtown
12-03-2012, 06:28 PM
Fox is a defensive coach. He trusts his defense to close games.

SeedReaver
12-03-2012, 06:38 PM
I'm pretty sure everyone and their mother knows that the score was a lot closer than the game actually was. Even the post-game crew commented that the Broncos dominated, and the score did not justify our performance. I still never felt threatened that the Bucs were going to win - even when we went into the half losing 10-7. Manning effect ftw.

Agamemnon
12-03-2012, 06:41 PM
Hated it with a passion last year. This year I'm honestly at a point that I'm more mystified than angry. It at least made some sense with Tebow, but with Manning? WTF?

maher_tyler
12-03-2012, 06:51 PM
So how many more wins would Denver have gotten if they had won by more points?

Just saying to not even give them a chance at an onside by going for the kill. As long as it doesn't bite us in the ass it doesn't matter.

edog24
12-04-2012, 07:03 AM
I do not understand the op when everyone knows Fox is not calling offensive plays. At worst it was a call in from Mc Coy, but we all know that Manning saw what he saw and called the play at the LOS.

Now had that happened between 2-6 years ago you could blame the HC.

But not now.

So Fox just sits on the sidelines and has no say in any of the play calling? Sounds like a sweet gig!

edog24
12-04-2012, 07:04 AM
It really pisses me off when a white RB picks up a first down when they were playing for a punt on 3rd and really long.

Well I can agree with that.

lonestar
12-04-2012, 07:21 AM
So Fox just sits on the sidelines and has no say in any of the play calling? Sounds like a sweet gig!

When you have a HOF QB on the field that can make instant decisions on what he sees, something that Fox and frankly 30 other HCs do not have, he places the general flow of the game into his and the OC hands.

We all know that Fox is a run first very conservative coach that errors on the side of caution, believes in TOP, his defense and field position. This call would have been right up his alley.

Had we been behind at the time then it is another whole conversation.

Myself I'm the kind of guy that wants to step on their throat and win by 40, so saying what just posted goes against my wishes, but was the right thing to do given the situation had the blocking been there it should have been a really good gain.

That is a whole different story.

baja
12-04-2012, 07:36 AM
When you have a HOF QB on the field that can make instant decisions on what he sees, something that Fox and frankly 30 other HCs do not have, he places the general flow of the game into his and the OC hands.

We all know that Fox is a run first very conservative coach that errors on the side of caution, believes in TOP, his defense and field position. This call would have been right up his alley.

Had we been behind at the time then it is another whole conversation.

Myself I'm the kind of guy that wants to step on their throat and win by 40, so saying what just posted goes against my wishes, but was the right thing to do given the situation had the blocking been there it should have been a really good gain.

That is a whole different story.
If the blocking is there every single running play should be a really good gain