PDA

View Full Version : Raiders - what could have been


Taco John
11-30-2012, 03:07 PM
Thank goodness the Raiders Organizations has been so incompetent from the top down. Imagine if they knew what they were doing over there. This could have been a REAL scary team.

http://i.imgur.com/ZtgjR.jpg

Rabb
11-30-2012, 03:10 PM
ok, now imagine them all having boners while playing

19-0

Tim
11-30-2012, 03:15 PM
The only thing wrong with the pic is the notion glen Dorsey is better than run dmc other than that the raiders suck

fontaine
11-30-2012, 03:38 PM
Thank goodness the Raiders Organizations has been so incompetent from the top down. Imagine if they knew what they were doing over there. This could have been a REAL scary team.


Well McDaniels did try smart and tough. . . . .

2009
12 Knowshon Moreno Broncos RB Georgia
13 Brian Orakpo Redskins LB Texas

18 Robert Ayers Broncos DE Tennessee
22 Percy Harvin Vikings WR Florida
26 Clay Matthews Packers LB USC

37 Alphonso Smith Broncos DB Wake Forest
42 Jairus Byrd Bills DB Oregon

48 Darcel McBath Broncos DB Texas Tech
53 LeSean McCoy Eagles RB Pittsburgh

64 Richard Quinn Broncos TE North Carolina
65 Shonn Greene Jets RB Iowa

2010
25 Tim Tebow Broncos QB Florida
42 Rob Gronkowski Patriots TE Arizona

OBF1
11-30-2012, 03:44 PM
I went from loving the original post to now hating it after reading Fontaine's damn rebuttal.

lonestar
11-30-2012, 03:44 PM
They IMO would still Suck. as long as aldaviss was coaching from the owners box. They could never get a real coach in their to make a difference.

The stud players would just move on the a real team when the rookie contract was up. The morons aldaviss took had little option but to stick. They were not talented enough to get better money elsewhere.

But yes they would have been tough with a decent coaching staff.

cutthemdown
11-30-2012, 03:47 PM
I was so relieved when they didn't take Calivn Johnson.

Kaylore
11-30-2012, 03:48 PM
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2012/01/medium_9722c6b17bef27b6774ec173be1f31e7.jpg

OBF1
11-30-2012, 03:54 PM
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2012/01/medium_9722c6b17bef27b6774ec173be1f31e7.jpg

:LOL: This looks like it could be Al's current picture !Booya!

fontaine
11-30-2012, 03:58 PM
I went from loving the original post to now hating it after reading Fontaine's damn rebuttal.

Sorry, my hatred for McDaniels still runs deep.
:)

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-30-2012, 04:01 PM
Sorry, my hatred for McDaniels still runs deep.
:)

Goes to show how one team can rise from turd ashes, while the other team just bathes in it for years.

Atwater His Ass
11-30-2012, 04:14 PM
These hindsight threads are normally pretty stupid, but it's hard not to imagine a team with Rodgers, Johnson, Fitzgerald and McFadden tearing it up for a few seasons, then watching it all implode in a way only the Raider organization could accomplish.

Rabb
11-30-2012, 04:19 PM
the silly part to me is, if they get the first few guys...or even the first two for that matter it dramatically changes future draft positions

ColoradoDarin
11-30-2012, 04:26 PM
Well McDaniels did try smart and tough. . . . .

2009
12 Knowshon Moreno Broncos RB Georgia
13 Brian Orakpo Redskins LB Texas

18 Robert Ayers Broncos DE Tennessee
22 Percy Harvin Vikings WR Florida
26 Clay Matthews Packers LB USC

37 Alphonso Smith Broncos DB Wake Forest
42 Jairus Byrd Bills DB Oregon

48 Darcel McBath Broncos DB Texas Tech
53 LeSean McCoy Eagles RB Pittsburgh

64 Richard Quinn Broncos TE North Carolina
65 Shonn Greene Jets RB Iowa

2010
25 Tim Tebow Broncos QB Florida
42 Rob Gronkowski Patriots TE Arizona

Only Orakpo and Greene fit the criteria.

Taco John
11-30-2012, 04:27 PM
the silly part to me is, if they get the first few guys...or even the first two for that matter it dramatically changes future draft positions

I definitely agree with that, but consider all the chances over the years they had to improve themselves. Aaron Rogers and Fitz would have changed their franchise. But missing that, imagine Calvin Johnson, McFadden and Palmer together. They could be very dangerous right now.

ColoradoDarin
11-30-2012, 04:32 PM
The raiders also might have traded up to get Eli Manning had the Chargers stayed with developing Brees (and drafted Fitz, and I often remind my charger friends - Brees, LDT and Fitz...), though I don't know if the chargers would have traded with them.

Atwater His Ass
11-30-2012, 04:53 PM
I definitely agree with that, but consider all the chances over the years they had to improve themselves. Aaron Rogers and Fitz would have changed their franchise. But missing that, imagine Calvin Johnson, McFadden and Palmer together. They could be very dangerous right now.

You're still assuming though that the Raiders locker room / trash leadership wouldn't have somehow messed this up. That's a pretty big assumption if you ask me.

TheReverend
11-30-2012, 05:06 PM
I definitely agree with that, but consider all the chances over the years they had to improve themselves. Aaron Rogers and Fitz would have changed their franchise. But missing that, imagine Calvin Johnson, McFadden and Palmer together. They could be very dangerous right now.

They couldve had Cutler instead of Huff too :rofl:

BroncoBuff
11-30-2012, 05:18 PM
The sheer number of blunders is what boggles the mind. Just the Jamarcus pick and letting Moss go, change those two moves alone and the offense would've been worlds better. I used to say that if I (or any clear-thinking person) had GM'd the Raiders those two seasons, they would've had Matt Schaub throwing to Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson.

Old Dude
11-30-2012, 05:25 PM
You could go back through almost anyone's drafts over X number of past years and, with the benefit of hindsight, construct some pretty awesome teams.

The thing that makes the OP so funny is that, in every case, they just listed the very next player taken.

Rodgers throwing to Fitz and Megatron really is a frightening thought.

DENVERDUI55
11-30-2012, 05:29 PM
Oakland and even KC for that matter sure have had some bad high draft picks but everyteam can play monday morning QB and go back and see who they missed on.

HorseHead
11-30-2012, 05:33 PM
I will get killed for saying this, but I think it's better for the game if that is a quality organization. I actually enjoy the rivalry more when both teams are at the top of their games. Sure it's fun to lick the tears of Scott Tennerman, but lets face it, things haven't been the same for awhile..the West is a joke right now..

Everything is cyclical..enjoy the rest of the year and whatever run we have in us, they (Fade) won't suck forever (Chefs too..)...

broncosteven
11-30-2012, 05:33 PM
Goes to show how one team can rise from turd ashes, while the other team just bathes in it for years.

Which is the point I keep trying to tell kFc fans who think they are one QB away from being back to contenders.

broncosteven
11-30-2012, 05:36 PM
The sheer number of blunders is what boggles the mind. Just the Jamarcus pick and letting Moss go, change those two moves alone and the offense would've been worlds better. I used to say that if I (or any clear-thinking person) had GM'd the Raiders those two seasons, they would've had Matt Schaub throwing to Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson.

The raiders would have never stuck with Schaub long enough to let him develop like Houston did. It took him years to turn into what he is now and even saying that he is still not an elite QB.

lonestar
11-30-2012, 05:51 PM
the silly part to me is, if they get the first few guys...or even the first two for that matter it dramatically changes future draft positions

Not with aldaviss running the team.

The only time in recent history they were worth a crap was when Gruden coached. He ran coaches off like some owners changed underwear.

So the assumption they would gotten better well is just that an assumption.

gunns
11-30-2012, 06:12 PM
If you want to see picks, decisions, etc that made the Raiders or the Broncos go back to when Elway almost went to the Raiders. Instead the Broncos got him and now he is back to make us a competitive organization again. For the Raiders, it all came down to Al Davis and his piss poor, egomaniac decisions. Who knows, they might become more competitive now that he is gone.

Bronco X
11-30-2012, 06:55 PM
Would Aaron Rodgers be the Aaron Rodgers we know now if the Raiders drafted him? He sat three years and studied the pro game. He'd probably have started as a rookie with the Raiders.

Rohirrim
11-30-2012, 06:56 PM
Thank goodness the Raiders Organizations has been so incompetent from the top down. Imagine if they knew what they were doing over there. This could have been a REAL scary team.

http://i.imgur.com/ZtgjR.jpg

Wow! Talk about a record of ineptitude!

Tim
11-30-2012, 07:25 PM
The ultimate joke of the faid was them trading gruden to the bucs then he won a Super Bowl and the faid have been bottom feeders for a decade Hilarious!

spdirty
11-30-2012, 07:32 PM
I went from loving the original post to now hating it after reading Fontaine's damn rebuttal.

Yeah and you were a superfan defender of that piece of **** too, rep bombing anyone that was critical of his incompetence.

Bacchus
11-30-2012, 07:36 PM
Thank goodness the Raiders Organizations has been so incompetent from the top down. Imagine if they knew what they were doing over there. This could have been a REAL scary team.

http://i.imgur.com/ZtgjR.jpg

Well, if they would have gotten Fitzgerald then they would not have drafted that early the next year so the theory goes out the window. But it does show you repeated misses over and over. Funny ****!!

Bacchus
11-30-2012, 07:37 PM
WHat this thread is really saying is that you want to be picking right after the Raiders!!

Cito Pelon
11-30-2012, 07:46 PM
Well McDaniels did try smart and tough. . . . .

2009
12 Knowshon Moreno Broncos RB Georgia
13 Brian Orakpo Redskins LB Texas

18 Robert Ayers Broncos DE Tennessee
22 Percy Harvin Vikings WR Florida
26 Clay Matthews Packers LB USC

37 Alphonso Smith Broncos DB Wake Forest
42 Jairus Byrd Bills DB Oregon

48 Darcel McBath Broncos DB Texas Tech
53 LeSean McCoy Eagles RB Pittsburgh

64 Richard Quinn Broncos TE North Carolina
65 Shonn Greene Jets RB Iowa

2010
25 Tim Tebow Broncos QB Florida
42 Rob Gronkowski Patriots TE Arizona

2009 - First at Bat: Ball one, fouls off pitch, swing and a miss, swing and a miss, swing and a miss
2010 - Second at Bat: Called first strike, argues call, ejected from game.

Taco John
11-30-2012, 07:52 PM
Would Aaron Rodgers be the Aaron Rodgers we know now if the Raiders drafted him? He sat three years and studied the pro game. He'd probably have started as a rookie with the Raiders.

If he would have had Larry Fitzgerald to throw to, who knows...

broncosteven
11-30-2012, 07:56 PM
I just hope kFc's next draft is just like the above!

Cito Pelon
11-30-2012, 08:21 PM
The ultimate joke of the faid was them trading gruden to the bucs then he won a Super Bowl and the faid have been bottom feeders for a decade Hilarious!

Sure is, since it was the very same year of the trade, and they beat OAK in the Super Bowl. That was a mind-boggling trade for Tampa to make, though.

OAK got 2 1sts and 2 seconds for Gruden. And drafted Phillip Buchanon, Langston Walker, Tyler Brayton, and Jake Grove.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-30-2012, 09:08 PM
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2012/01/medium_9722c6b17bef27b6774ec173be1f31e7.jpg

ahhh make it go away ,make it go away the Al Davis ZOMBIE SCARES ME Yikes!
i apologize i shouldn't make jokes about poor al davis but i just had to .
RIP you crotchety old bastard you was the raiders DARTH VADER to our John Elway Denver Broncos Luke Skywalker .

MagicHef
11-30-2012, 09:21 PM
Here's Denver's over the same time period:

2004 DJ Williams -> Will Smith
2005 No 1st, 2nd was: Darrent Williams -> Justin Miller
2006 Jay Cutler -> Haloti Ngata
2007 Jarvis Moss -> Leon Hall
2008 Ryan Clady -> Jonathan Stewart
2009 Knowshon Moreno -> Brian Orakpo
Robert Ayers -> Jeremy Maclin
2010 Demaryius Thomas -> Brian Bulaga
Tim Tebow -> Dan Williams

lonestar
11-30-2012, 10:13 PM
Here's Denver's over the same time period:

2004 DJ Williams -> Will Smith
2005 No 1st, 2nd was: Darrent Williams -> Justin Miller
2006 Jay Cutler -> Haloti Ngata
2007 Jarvis Moss -> Leon Hall
2008 Ryan Clady -> Jonathan Stewart
2009 Knowshon Moreno -> Brian Orakpo
Robert Ayers -> Jeremy Maclin
2010 Demaryius Thomas -> Brian Bulaga
Tim Tebow -> Dan Williams

Touché

MagicHef
11-30-2012, 10:53 PM
Touché

Meh.

2 obvious wins (Clady and Thomas)
2 obvious losses (Moss and Moreno)

I'm also tempted to include Cutler in obvious win based on positional value.

Compare that with Oakland (no obvious wins and 5 obvious losses).

lonestar
11-30-2012, 11:53 PM
Meh.

2 obvious wins (Clady and Thomas)
2 obvious losses (Moss and Moreno)

I'm also tempted to include Cutler in obvious win based on positional value.

Compare that with Oakland (no obvious wins and 5 obvious losses).

Myself I'd rather have taken Nigota over cutlet, whose QBR hovers mid 80's and is currently 81. If his defense and ST over the past few years were not great, I'd guess his numbers would even be lower as he would be forcing the ball more.
NIgota has been consistently good to great.

Cache Glades
12-01-2012, 06:35 AM
If Aaron Rodgers were drafted by the Raiders he'd probably be out of the league by now. Those 3 years on the bench behind Favre were invaluable.
Or imagine the 2nd rounder Montana being drafted by the Bucs and having no Rice or Craig or Walsh.
Or imagine Brady going to the Lions. He probably ends up their starter but no way does he have the success he's having now with Belicheck.

Thats what helps Manning's case when you're talking about the Goat IMO. Same with Elway. It just seems like those guys created the system and culture and wernt brought up in it.

Kaylore
12-01-2012, 09:05 AM
I agree with Cache Glades. Does Rodgers starting behind that crappy line with Art Shell's tutelage kill his development? There is something to be said for players being put in the right situation. Does Arian Foster get a chance if he doesn't go to a great rushing team with a coach who has seen low round backs blossom?

ZONA
12-01-2012, 08:36 PM
These hindsight threads are normally pretty stupid, but it's hard not to imagine a team with Rodgers, Johnson, Fitzgerald and McFadden tearing it up for a few seasons, then watching it all implode in a way only the Raider organization could accomplish.

Why does your avata fella there have 2 noses?

canadianbroncosfan
12-01-2012, 09:08 PM
Well, if they would have gotten Fitzgerald then they would not have drafted that early the next year so the theory goes out the window. But it does show you repeated misses over and over. Funny ****!!

That early? They drafted 23rd in 2005.

Killericon
12-01-2012, 09:18 PM
B-b-b-b-b-ut ED REEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD