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Rocket 7
11-30-2012, 01:16 PM
http://www.nfl.com/halloffame/story/0ap1000000103177/article/hall-of-fame-modernera-semifinalists-announced

Kaylore
11-30-2012, 01:48 PM
Larry Allen, guard/tackle: 1994-2005 Dallas Cowboys, 2006-07 San Francisco 49ers

Morten Andersen, kicker: 1982-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-2000, 2006-07 Atlanta Falcons, 2001 New York Giants, 2002-03 Kansas City Chiefs, 2004 Minnesota Vikings

Steve Atwater, safety: 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets

Jerome Bettis, running back: 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers

Tim Brown, wide receiver/kick returner: 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Cris Carter, wide receiver: 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins

Don Coryell, coach: 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers

Roger Craig, running back: 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings

Terrell Davis, running back: 1995-2001 Denver Broncos

Edward DeBartolo, Jr., owner: 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers

Kevin Greene, linebacker/defensive end: 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers

Charles Haley, defensive end/linebacker: 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys

Joe Jacoby, offensive tackle: 1981-1993 Washington Redskins

Albert Lewis, cornerback: 1983-1993 Kansas City Chiefs, 1994-98 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders

John Lynch, free safety: 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos

Karl Mecklenburg, linebacker: 1983-1994 Denver Broncos

Art Modell, owner: 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens

Jonathan Ogden, offensive tackle: 1996-2007 Baltimore Ravens

Bill Parcells, coach: 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys

Andre Reed, wide receiver: 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins

Warren Sapp, defensive tackle: 1995-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Oakland Raiders

Will Shields, guard: 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs

Michael Strahan, defensive end: 1993-2007 New York Giants

Paul Tagliabue, commissioner: 1989-2006 National Football League

Steve Tasker, special teams/wide receiver: 1985-86 Houston Oilers, 1986-1997 Buffalo Bills

Aeneas Williams, cornerback/safety: 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams

George Young, contributor: 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League

DomCasual
11-30-2012, 01:51 PM
Five Broncos on the list! That has to be a record, right?

crowebomber
11-30-2012, 01:54 PM
Parcells and Strahan, then the second tier is Sapp, Lynch. I think Carter or Tim Brown have a shot this year.

Didn't see Bettis on there either. He has a good shot this year.

Broncos_OTM
11-30-2012, 01:55 PM
Some pretty darn good football players on that list.

socalorado
11-30-2012, 02:03 PM
Honestly, after reading through that list, i reallly dont see why almost all of em cant be in the HOF. They all were superstars at their respective positions at 1 point in time, and they all were game changers during their careers.
Tim brown and Albert Lewis might not deserve to be in. But, man they deserve an "Iron Man" award for being in the league that long!

extralife
11-30-2012, 02:36 PM
lots of worthy first ballot guys. I think Cris Carter finally gets in this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the class was first ballot guys (Sapp, Ogden, Allen, Strahan--personally I wouldn't put Strahan in on the first ballot at all, but he's a media guy, he's in).

Agamemnon
11-30-2012, 02:47 PM
Five Broncos on the list! That has to be a record, right?

Watch not a single one of them get in.

IA-Broncosfan53
11-30-2012, 02:51 PM
Even if we don't get anyone in this time, and I don't think we will, it will be good to get some other borderline candidates that have been close for a few years now such as Tim Brown and Cris Carter.

jutang
11-30-2012, 02:52 PM
Parcells and Strahan, then the second tier is Sapp, Lynch. I think Carter or Tim Brown have a shot this year.

Didn't see Bettis on there either. He has a good shot this year.

Would you guys rather have Atwater or Lynch as your starting safety? I never watched Lynch on irregular basis until he became a bronco. Atwater seemed more physical than Lynch, but Lynch seemed to have better coverage skills.

razorwire77
11-30-2012, 02:54 PM
Still can't figure out the logic in Gale Sayers being a slam dunk, no question, 100 percent HOFer and TD is on the fence.

Pick Six
11-30-2012, 02:55 PM
There's a lot of good names, but I'm predicting that Larry Allen will be among the ones enshrined...

cmhargrove
11-30-2012, 03:02 PM
If Charles Haley makes it in, will the make a bronze scuplture of his penis, or his face? Or, his penis in a dudes face? I'm not sure about the protocol there...

Agamemnon
11-30-2012, 03:07 PM
Still can't figure out the logic in Gale Sayers being a slam dunk, no question, 100 percent HOFer and TD is on the fence.

One was a Bear, the other a Bronco. Nothing more to it.

razorwire77
11-30-2012, 03:11 PM
If Charles Haley makes it in, will the make a bronze scuplture of his penis, or his face? Or, his penis in a dudes face? I'm not sure about the protocol there...

A penis in Joe Montana's face.

But Haley refused to stop. He would jerk off in the locker room, in the trainer’s room. He’d wrap his hand around his penis, turn toward a Joe Montana or John Taylor, and bellow, ‘You know you wanna suck this!’

Read more: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/08/charles-haley-would-like-you-to-watch-him-masturbate.html#ixzz2DkLe8cdy

Agamemnon
11-30-2012, 03:14 PM
A penis in Joe Montana's face.

But Haley refused to stop. He would jerk off in the locker room, in the trainer’s room. He’d wrap his hand around his penis, turn toward a Joe Montana or John Taylor, and bellow, ‘You know you wanna suck this!’

Read more: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/08/charles-haley-would-like-you-to-watch-him-masturbate.html#ixzz2DkLe8cdy

Wow...that's just...wow...

That One Guy
11-30-2012, 03:28 PM
A penis in Joe Montana's face.

But Haley refused to stop. He would jerk off in the locker room, in the trainer’s room. He’d wrap his hand around his penis, turn toward a Joe Montana or John Taylor, and bellow, ‘You know you wanna suck this!’

Read more: http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2008/08/charles-haley-would-like-you-to-watch-him-masturbate.html#ixzz2DkLe8cdy

LOL

That article gets funnier everytime I see it. How could people subject themselves to that?

extralife
11-30-2012, 03:29 PM
there are more stories about charles haley's penis than there are charles haley sacks.

That One Guy
11-30-2012, 03:36 PM
there are more stories about charles haley's penis than there are charles haley sacks.

You can't do as many things with the sack. The stories would get old.

extralife
11-30-2012, 03:38 PM
no, I mean the number of stories about Haley's penis outnumber his career sack total

razorwire77
11-30-2012, 03:46 PM
LOL

That article gets funnier everytime I see it. How could people subject themselves to that?

It had to be that they were terrified of the guy.

Smiling Assassin27
11-30-2012, 03:51 PM
Still can't figure out the logic in Gale Sayers being a slam dunk, no question, 100 percent HOFer and TD is on the fence.

The only argument i've seen is that Sayers also returned kicks. Other than that, logic takes a backseat to nostalgia. But if Sayers returned kicks, well, we all know what TD did to returners like Sayers:

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gyldenlove
11-30-2012, 04:12 PM
Strahan has to go in, I think he has the credentials to be a first ballot guy.

I think Will Shields gets in this year, 12 pro-bowls, 8 all-pro, Walter Payton man of the year award. By the same logic that kept Shields out last year I think Larry Allen gets left out this year but will be put in next year - they two have very similar resumes.

Jonathan Ogden should go in, of everybody on that he is one who was closest to being the undisputed best at his position for a long time.

I think they will put in 2 non-players along with the above 3 players. Parcells should go in and I wouldn't be surprised to see Debartolo as well.

Tombstone RJ
11-30-2012, 04:27 PM
Strahan has to go in, I think he has the credentials to be a first ballot guy.

I think Will Shields gets in this year, 12 pro-bowls, 8 all-pro, Walter Payton man of the year award. By the same logic that kept Shields out last year I think Larry Allen gets left out this year but will be put in next year - they two have very similar resumes.

Jonathan Ogden should go in, of everybody on that he is one who was closest to being the undisputed best at his position for a long time.

I think they will put in 2 non-players along with the above 3 players. Parcells should go in and I wouldn't be surprised to see Debartolo as well.

Strahan I can definitely see, big name on a NY team, pretty much a lock. Oh, and he can thank the moron Favre too.

extralife
11-30-2012, 04:28 PM
By the same logic that kept Shields out last year I think Larry Allen gets left out this year but will be put in next year - they two have very similar resumes.

one of them played for the Cowboys

Atwater His Ass
11-30-2012, 05:05 PM
How can anyone think Warren Sapp is 2nd tier? He was the best DT of his generation. Would be shocked if he's not a first ballot entry.

BowlenBall
11-30-2012, 08:49 PM
Still can't figure out the logic in Gale Sayers being a slam dunk, no question, 100 percent HOFer and TD is on the fence.

Chicago population: 9,461,000
Denver population: 619,968

Denver has historically had a rough time of it with pro bowls and the hall of fame, mostly because the smaller population base means we're on TV a whole lot less, particularly on the East coast.

For example, which player is in the Hall of Fame?

Lynn Swann: 336 receptions, 5462 yards, 51 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls
Rod Smith: 849 receptions, 11389 yards, 68 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls

Rod Smith had to more than double Lynn Swann's production to make the same number of pro bowls, and after they retired, Swann gets inducted while Rod Smith doesn't even make the semi-final cut.

Had Rod Smith, Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater, or Karl Mecklenberg played for the NY Giants (for example), they'd all be in the HOF right now.

extralife
11-30-2012, 09:43 PM
Lynn Swann: 336 receptions, 5462 yards, 51 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls
Rod Smith: 849 receptions, 11389 yards, 68 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls

to be fair, this is a really stupid comparison. take a look at passing stats in the 70's.

Rock Chalk
11-30-2012, 10:25 PM
to be fair, this is a really stupid comparison. take a look at passing stats in the 70's.

It doesnt mater what era, Lynn Swan should not be in the HoF.

You can argue however you want for Rod Smith but Swan should not be in the HoF. The only reason he is was because he was the best receiver on a 4 time winning SB team that ironically, won superbowls due to defense and the run game.

lonestar
11-30-2012, 11:28 PM
Chicago population: 9,461,000
Denver population: 619,968

Denver has historically had a rough time of it with pro bowls and the hall of fame, mostly because the smaller population base means we're on TV a whole lot less, particularly on the East coast.

For example, which player is in the Hall of Fame?

Lynn Swann: 336 receptions, 5462 yards, 51 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls
Rod Smith: 849 receptions, 11389 yards, 68 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls

Rod Smith had to more than double Lynn Swann's production to make the same number of pro bowls, and after they retired, Swann gets inducted while Rod Smith doesn't even make the semi-final cut.

Had Rod Smith, Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater, or Karl Mecklenberg played for the NY Giants (for example), they'd all be in the HOF right now.

If you look at those inducted typically they are east/west coast teams. Where the voters are they see these teams a lot either in person or on TV.

Most voters are lazy and go with the flow.

I do like our chances now to get a guy in over Mannings tenure since more of our games are national ones than before. Just more exposure.

Hamrob
12-01-2012, 08:23 AM
It doesnt mater what era, Lynn Swan should not be in the HoF.

You can argue however you want for Rod Smith but Swan should not be in the HoF. The only reason he is was because he was the best receiver on a 4 time winning SB team that ironically, won superbowls due to defense and the run game.I disagree.

The steelers of the 70's were more than just defense and the run game...they had a huge big play factor of going down the field to Stallworth and Swann.

Swann is in the HOF....for the exact same reason that Sayers is in the HOF.

At the time they were playing........they were so freakishly better than anyone else at their perspective positions.......there was no denying their talent. Stats were secondary when it came to guys like that.

Just listen to the guys who played against them....Sayers glided like he wasn't even running...he was so swift and slippery it was like poetry in motion. Same goes for Swann...he was truly a balerina on the football field...making some of the most out of this world catches....stuff that just hadn't been seen at the time. They are both in the HOF because of their impact on their generation of football. That's why it's difficult to compare players over generations.

Agamemnon
12-01-2012, 12:20 PM
Chicago population: 9,461,000
Denver population: 619,968

Denver has historically had a rough time of it with pro bowls and the hall of fame, mostly because the smaller population base means we're on TV a whole lot less, particularly on the East coast.

For example, which player is in the Hall of Fame?

Lynn Swann: 336 receptions, 5462 yards, 51 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls
Rod Smith: 849 receptions, 11389 yards, 68 touchdowns, 3 pro bowls

Rod Smith had to more than double Lynn Swann's production to make the same number of pro bowls, and after they retired, Swann gets inducted while Rod Smith doesn't even make the semi-final cut.

Had Rod Smith, Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater, or Karl Mecklenberg played for the NY Giants (for example), they'd all be in the HOF right now.

I agree with your overall point, but whenever people use the population of Denver they always misrepresent the real population of the area. The city limits of Denver are extremely small compared to many large cities. The metro area as a whole is closer to 3 million people.

lonestar
12-01-2012, 12:34 PM
I agree with your overall point, but whenever people use the population of Denver they always misrepresent the real population of the area. The city limits of Denver are extremely small compared to many large cities. The metro area as a whole is closer to 3 million people.

Which is still one third the population of the city of Chicago, not to mention all of the suburbs and cities nearby, including neighboring states.

So be realistic when comparing.

Bruce Hermansen Fan
12-01-2012, 10:49 PM
I don't ever recall Steve Atwater making this far in the process. It would an achievement for him to become a finalist and make it to the round-table discussion.

I hope the voters continue to snub Cris Carter and keep him rotting and waiting on the outside. Carter was a low-life with Ohio $tate and the Eagles and he's still a ****head on ESPN.