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txtebow
11-29-2012, 07:18 PM
Now a smoldering mess of Liberal ideas and decades of Democratic ideas in action.................................:afro:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/11/29/bing-said-city-workers-feel-entitled-says-his-job-second-only-to-obamas/


"“We are in an environment, I think, of entitlement, we’ve got a lot of people who are city workers, who for years and years, 20, 30 years, think they are entitled to a job and all that comes with it,” Bing said

Jetland
11-29-2012, 09:02 PM
wow you didn't waste anytime after your ban did ya?

DenverBrit
11-29-2012, 09:05 PM
Detroit used to=Paris. Ha! :rofl::rofl:

Blart
11-29-2012, 09:46 PM
Are you suggesting we discard the political strategies of failed governments, and adopt the political strategies of successful governments?

I applaud your pragmatic philosophy! Too many people stick to ideals (i.e. taxes are bad, helping the poor is good) without ever questioning them. Let's look at some data,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

Rank State Politics 2009 2008 2007 2004-2006
1 Maryland Blue $69,272 $70,545 $68,080 $62,372
2 New Jersey Blue $68,342 $70,378 $67,035 $64,169
3 Connecticut Blue $67,034 $68,595 $65,967 $59,972
4 Alaska Red $66,953 $68,460 $64,333 $57,639
5 Hawaii Blue $64,098 $67,214 $63,746 $60,681
6 Massachusetts Blue $64,081 $65,401 $62,365 $56,236
7 New Hampshire Blue $60,567 $63,731 $62,369 $60,489
8 Virginia Blue $59,330 $61,233 $59,562 $55,108
District of Columbia Blue $59,290 $57,936 $54,317 $47,221 (2005)[3]PDF
9 California Blue $58,931 $61,021 $59,948 $53,770
10 Delaware Blue $56,860 $57,989 $54,610 $52,214
11 Washington Blue $56,548 $58,078 $55,591 $53,439
12 Minnesota Blue $55,616 $57,288 $55,082 $57,363
13 Colorado Blue $55,430 $56,993 $55,212 $54,039
14 Utah Red $55,117 $56,633 $55,109 $55,179
15 New York Blue $54,659 $56,033 $53,514 $48,201
16 Rhode Island Blue $54,119 $55,701 $53,568 $52,003
17 Illinois Blue $53,966 $56,235 $54,124 $49,280
18 Nevada Purple $53,341 $56,361 $55,062 $50,819
19 Wyoming Red $52,664 $53,207 $51,731 $47,227
20 Vermont Blue $51,618 $52,104 $49,907 $51,622
United States $50,221 $52,029 $50,740 $46,242 (2005) [4]PDF
21 Wisconsin Blue $49,993 $52,094 $50,578 $48,874
22 Pennsylvania Blue $49,520 $50,713 $48,576 $47,791
23 Arizona Red $48,745 $50,958 $49,889 $46,729
24 Oregon Blue $48,457 $50,169 $48,730 $45,485
25 Texas Red $48,259 $50,043 $47,548 $43,425
26 Iowa Blue $48,044 $48,980 $47,292 $47,489
27 North Dakota Red $47,827 $45,685 $43,753 $43,753
28 Kansas Red $47,817 $50,177 $47,451 $44,264
29 Georgia Red $47,590 $50,861 $49,136 $46,841
30 Nebraska Red $47,357 $49,693 $47,085 $48,126
31 Maine Blue $45,734 $46,581 $45,888 $45,040
32 Indiana Red $45,424 $47,966 $47,448 $44,806
33 Ohio Purple $45,395 $47,988 $46,597 $45,837
34 Michigan Blue $45,255 $48,591 $47,950 $47,064
35 Missouri Red $45,229 $46,867 $45,114 $44,651
36 South Dakota Red $45,043 $46,032 $43,424 $44,624
37 Idaho Red $44,926 $47,576 $46,253 $46,395
38 Florida Purple $44,736 $47,778 $47,804 $44,448
39 North Carolina Red $43,674 $46,549 $44,670 $42,061
40 New Mexico Blue $43,028 $43,508 $41,452 $40,827
41 Louisiana Red $42,492 $43,733 $40,926 $37,943
42 South Carolina Red $42,442 $44,625 $43,329 $40,822
43 Montana Red $42,322 $43,654 $43,531 $38,629
44 Tennessee Red $41,725 $43,614 $42,367 $40,676
45 Oklahoma Red $41,664 $42,822 $41,567 $40,001
46 Alabama Red $40,489 $42,666 $40,554 $38,473
47 Kentucky Red $40,072 $41,538 $40,267 $38,466
48 Arkansas Red $37,823 $38,815 $38,134 $37,420
49 West Virginia Red $37,435 $37,989 $37,060 $37,227
50 Mississippi Red $36,646 $37,790 $36,338 $35,261


I put the 2011 numbers through excel, here are my findings:

Blue State Median Income: $55,020
US Median Income: $50,502
Red State Median Income: $45,325


Note that "median income" is much more forgiving for Red States than per-capita income, which you can view here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income#States_ranked_by_per _capita_income). In red states it appears wealth is not only more rare, it's also concentrated in fewer hands.

Spider
11-29-2012, 09:50 PM
Detroit used to=Paris. Ha! :rofl::rofl:

my thoughts exactly ...I haven been in Detroit regularly since the mid 80's ...never been the Paris of the west ..the op is a blooming idiot

txtebow
11-30-2012, 07:03 AM
Detroit used to=Paris. Ha! :rofl::rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_metropolitan_Detroit#Paris_of_the_ West

"In the late nineteenth century, Detroit was called the Paris of the West for its architecture and open public spaces......"

next time try something called a "search engine"...I'd recommend the one they call G-O-O-G-L-E.

txtebow
11-30-2012, 07:04 AM
my thoughts exactly ...I haven been in Detroit regularly since the mid 80's ...never been the Paris of the west ..the op is a blooming idiot

Of course you didn't see Detroit as being the "Paris of the West"......by the 1980's the destructive effects of leftist policies had already eroded the city into the slum that it remains today....

txtebow
11-30-2012, 07:08 AM
Are you suggesting we discard the political strategies of failed governments, and adopt the political strategies of successful governments?

I applaud your pragmatic philosophy! Too many people stick to ideals (i.e. taxes are bad, helping the poor is good) without ever questioning them. Let's look at some data,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

Rank State Politics 2009 2008 2007 2004-2006
1 Maryland Blue $69,272 $70,545 $68,080 $62,372
2 New Jersey Blue $68,342 $70,378 $67,035 $64,169
3 Connecticut Blue $67,034 $68,595 $65,967 $59,972
4 Alaska Red $66,953 $68,460 $64,333 $57,639
5 Hawaii Blue $64,098 $67,214 $63,746 $60,681
6 Massachusetts Blue $64,081 $65,401 $62,365 $56,236
7 New Hampshire Blue $60,567 $63,731 $62,369 $60,489
8 Virginia Blue $59,330 $61,233 $59,562 $55,108
District of Columbia Blue $59,290 $57,936 $54,317 $47,221 (2005)[3]PDF
9 California Blue $58,931 $61,021 $59,948 $53,770
10 Delaware Blue $56,860 $57,989 $54,610 $52,214
11 Washington Blue $56,548 $58,078 $55,591 $53,439
12 Minnesota Blue $55,616 $57,288 $55,082 $57,363
13 Colorado Blue $55,430 $56,993 $55,212 $54,039
14 Utah Red $55,117 $56,633 $55,109 $55,179
15 New York Blue $54,659 $56,033 $53,514 $48,201
16 Rhode Island Blue $54,119 $55,701 $53,568 $52,003
17 Illinois Blue $53,966 $56,235 $54,124 $49,280
18 Nevada Purple $53,341 $56,361 $55,062 $50,819
19 Wyoming Red $52,664 $53,207 $51,731 $47,227
20 Vermont Blue $51,618 $52,104 $49,907 $51,622
United States $50,221 $52,029 $50,740 $46,242 (2005) [4]PDF
21 Wisconsin Blue $49,993 $52,094 $50,578 $48,874
22 Pennsylvania Blue $49,520 $50,713 $48,576 $47,791
23 Arizona Red $48,745 $50,958 $49,889 $46,729
24 Oregon Blue $48,457 $50,169 $48,730 $45,485
25 Texas Red $48,259 $50,043 $47,548 $43,425
26 Iowa Blue $48,044 $48,980 $47,292 $47,489
27 North Dakota Red $47,827 $45,685 $43,753 $43,753
28 Kansas Red $47,817 $50,177 $47,451 $44,264
29 Georgia Red $47,590 $50,861 $49,136 $46,841
30 Nebraska Red $47,357 $49,693 $47,085 $48,126
31 Maine Blue $45,734 $46,581 $45,888 $45,040
32 Indiana Red $45,424 $47,966 $47,448 $44,806
33 Ohio Purple $45,395 $47,988 $46,597 $45,837
34 Michigan Blue $45,255 $48,591 $47,950 $47,064
35 Missouri Red $45,229 $46,867 $45,114 $44,651
36 South Dakota Red $45,043 $46,032 $43,424 $44,624
37 Idaho Red $44,926 $47,576 $46,253 $46,395
38 Florida Purple $44,736 $47,778 $47,804 $44,448
39 North Carolina Red $43,674 $46,549 $44,670 $42,061
40 New Mexico Blue $43,028 $43,508 $41,452 $40,827
41 Louisiana Red $42,492 $43,733 $40,926 $37,943
42 South Carolina Red $42,442 $44,625 $43,329 $40,822
43 Montana Red $42,322 $43,654 $43,531 $38,629
44 Tennessee Red $41,725 $43,614 $42,367 $40,676
45 Oklahoma Red $41,664 $42,822 $41,567 $40,001
46 Alabama Red $40,489 $42,666 $40,554 $38,473
47 Kentucky Red $40,072 $41,538 $40,267 $38,466
48 Arkansas Red $37,823 $38,815 $38,134 $37,420
49 West Virginia Red $37,435 $37,989 $37,060 $37,227
50 Mississippi Red $36,646 $37,790 $36,338 $35,261


I put the 2011 numbers through excel, here are my findings:

Blue State Median Income: $55,020
US Median Income: $50,502
Red State Median Income: $45,325


Note that "median income" is much more forgiving for Red States than per-capita income, which you can view here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income#States_ranked_by_per _capita_income). In red states it appears wealth is not only more rare, it's also concentrated in fewer hands.

And this entire post is done under the fallacy THAT THOSE WHO HAPPEN TO RESIDE IN A STATE THAT IS MAJORITY BLUE, ALL TEND TO FAVOR DEMOCRATIC POLICIES. Those who have earned their own wealth tend to be fiscally conservative.....states such as CA and NY are full of "takers" hence HIGH TAXES, HIGH COSTS of LIVING and a steady influx of immigrants (illegal and legal) that tend to vote for handouts..it's NOT the wealthy in those BLUE STATES voting for higher taxes and more government programs........AND WHEN YOU TOO GREAT OF A PERCENTAGE OF TAKERS YOU GETS THE RESULTS THAT WE SEE IN TOWNS LIKE DETROIT.

DenverBrit
11-30-2012, 10:41 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_metropolitan_Detroit#Paris_of_the_ West

"In the late nineteenth century, Detroit was called the Paris of the West for its architecture and open public spaces......"

next time try something called a "search engine"...I'd recommend the one they call G-O-O-G-L-E.

Yeah, late 19th century early 1900's, but it's still funny.

So what was your point? A lot of US cities were in better financial shape during that period.

Are you trying to lay the blame for the decline of every US city at the feet of Democrats? Because that's also funny! :rofl:

Requiem
11-30-2012, 11:06 AM
Change your avatar.

Spider
11-30-2012, 12:06 PM
Of course you didn't see Detroit as being the "Paris of the West"......by the 1980's the destructive effects of leftist policies had already eroded the city into the slum that it remains today....

lol ...nice try .. Maybe for Canadians ...new york will always be the main go to city in this country followed by San Fransico

Play2win
11-30-2012, 01:32 PM
I think they must be talking about Paris, Texas...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-30-2012, 03:35 PM
Now a smoldering mess of Liberal ideas and decades of Democratic ideas in action.................................:afro:



:stupid:

Because the republicans have NEVER supported offshoring manufacturing or outsourcing jobs.

Arkie
11-30-2012, 04:35 PM
Are you suggesting we discard the political strategies of failed governments, and adopt the political strategies of successful governments?

I applaud your pragmatic philosophy! Too many people stick to ideals (i.e. taxes are bad, helping the poor is good) without ever questioning them. Let's look at some data,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

Rank State Politics 2009 2008 2007 2004-2006
1 Maryland Blue $69,272 $70,545 $68,080 $62,372
2 New Jersey Blue $68,342 $70,378 $67,035 $64,169
3 Connecticut Blue $67,034 $68,595 $65,967 $59,972
4 Alaska Red $66,953 $68,460 $64,333 $57,639
5 Hawaii Blue $64,098 $67,214 $63,746 $60,681
6 Massachusetts Blue $64,081 $65,401 $62,365 $56,236
7 New Hampshire Blue $60,567 $63,731 $62,369 $60,489
8 Virginia Blue $59,330 $61,233 $59,562 $55,108
District of Columbia Blue $59,290 $57,936 $54,317 $47,221 (2005)[3]PDF
9 California Blue $58,931 $61,021 $59,948 $53,770
10 Delaware Blue $56,860 $57,989 $54,610 $52,214
11 Washington Blue $56,548 $58,078 $55,591 $53,439
12 Minnesota Blue $55,616 $57,288 $55,082 $57,363
13 Colorado Blue $55,430 $56,993 $55,212 $54,039
14 Utah Red $55,117 $56,633 $55,109 $55,179
15 New York Blue $54,659 $56,033 $53,514 $48,201
16 Rhode Island Blue $54,119 $55,701 $53,568 $52,003
17 Illinois Blue $53,966 $56,235 $54,124 $49,280
18 Nevada Purple $53,341 $56,361 $55,062 $50,819
19 Wyoming Red $52,664 $53,207 $51,731 $47,227
20 Vermont Blue $51,618 $52,104 $49,907 $51,622
United States $50,221 $52,029 $50,740 $46,242 (2005) [4]PDF
21 Wisconsin Blue $49,993 $52,094 $50,578 $48,874
22 Pennsylvania Blue $49,520 $50,713 $48,576 $47,791
23 Arizona Red $48,745 $50,958 $49,889 $46,729
24 Oregon Blue $48,457 $50,169 $48,730 $45,485
25 Texas Red $48,259 $50,043 $47,548 $43,425
26 Iowa Blue $48,044 $48,980 $47,292 $47,489
27 North Dakota Red $47,827 $45,685 $43,753 $43,753
28 Kansas Red $47,817 $50,177 $47,451 $44,264
29 Georgia Red $47,590 $50,861 $49,136 $46,841
30 Nebraska Red $47,357 $49,693 $47,085 $48,126
31 Maine Blue $45,734 $46,581 $45,888 $45,040
32 Indiana Red $45,424 $47,966 $47,448 $44,806
33 Ohio Purple $45,395 $47,988 $46,597 $45,837
34 Michigan Blue $45,255 $48,591 $47,950 $47,064
35 Missouri Red $45,229 $46,867 $45,114 $44,651
36 South Dakota Red $45,043 $46,032 $43,424 $44,624
37 Idaho Red $44,926 $47,576 $46,253 $46,395
38 Florida Purple $44,736 $47,778 $47,804 $44,448
39 North Carolina Red $43,674 $46,549 $44,670 $42,061
40 New Mexico Blue $43,028 $43,508 $41,452 $40,827
41 Louisiana Red $42,492 $43,733 $40,926 $37,943
42 South Carolina Red $42,442 $44,625 $43,329 $40,822
43 Montana Red $42,322 $43,654 $43,531 $38,629
44 Tennessee Red $41,725 $43,614 $42,367 $40,676
45 Oklahoma Red $41,664 $42,822 $41,567 $40,001
46 Alabama Red $40,489 $42,666 $40,554 $38,473
47 Kentucky Red $40,072 $41,538 $40,267 $38,466
48 Arkansas Red $37,823 $38,815 $38,134 $37,420
49 West Virginia Red $37,435 $37,989 $37,060 $37,227
50 Mississippi Red $36,646 $37,790 $36,338 $35,261


I put the 2011 numbers through excel, here are my findings:

Blue State Median Income: $55,020
US Median Income: $50,502
Red State Median Income: $45,325


Note that "median income" is much more forgiving for Red States than per-capita income, which you can view here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income#States_ranked_by_per _capita_income). In red states it appears wealth is not only more rare, it's also concentrated in fewer hands.

It's not all red & blue. Every state is a shade of purple. Federal handouts to the more red states make poverty worse, and makes the voters more red. It's getting really divisive in the south because the dependents to workers ratio is much higher. We see the problems growing worse every day. Welfare dependency is contagious in poor communities and it becomes addictive.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-30-2012, 09:16 PM
Are you suggesting we discard the political strategies of failed governments, and adopt the political strategies of successful governments?

I applaud your pragmatic philosophy! Too many people stick to ideals (i.e. taxes are bad, helping the poor is good) without ever questioning them. Let's look at some data,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

Rank State Politics 2009 2008 2007 2004-2006
1 Maryland Blue $69,272 $70,545 $68,080 $62,372
2 New Jersey Blue $68,342 $70,378 $67,035 $64,169
3 Connecticut Blue $67,034 $68,595 $65,967 $59,972
4 Alaska Red $66,953 $68,460 $64,333 $57,639
5 Hawaii Blue $64,098 $67,214 $63,746 $60,681
6 Massachusetts Blue $64,081 $65,401 $62,365 $56,236
7 New Hampshire Blue $60,567 $63,731 $62,369 $60,489
8 Virginia Blue $59,330 $61,233 $59,562 $55,108
District of Columbia Blue $59,290 $57,936 $54,317 $47,221 (2005)[3]PDF
9 California Blue $58,931 $61,021 $59,948 $53,770
10 Delaware Blue $56,860 $57,989 $54,610 $52,214
11 Washington Blue $56,548 $58,078 $55,591 $53,439
12 Minnesota Blue $55,616 $57,288 $55,082 $57,363
13 Colorado Blue $55,430 $56,993 $55,212 $54,039
14 Utah Red $55,117 $56,633 $55,109 $55,179
15 New York Blue $54,659 $56,033 $53,514 $48,201
16 Rhode Island Blue $54,119 $55,701 $53,568 $52,003
17 Illinois Blue $53,966 $56,235 $54,124 $49,280
18 Nevada Purple $53,341 $56,361 $55,062 $50,819
19 Wyoming Red $52,664 $53,207 $51,731 $47,227
20 Vermont Blue $51,618 $52,104 $49,907 $51,622
United States $50,221 $52,029 $50,740 $46,242 (2005) [4]PDF
21 Wisconsin Blue $49,993 $52,094 $50,578 $48,874
22 Pennsylvania Blue $49,520 $50,713 $48,576 $47,791
23 Arizona Red $48,745 $50,958 $49,889 $46,729
24 Oregon Blue $48,457 $50,169 $48,730 $45,485
25 Texas Red $48,259 $50,043 $47,548 $43,425
26 Iowa Blue $48,044 $48,980 $47,292 $47,489
27 North Dakota Red $47,827 $45,685 $43,753 $43,753
28 Kansas Red $47,817 $50,177 $47,451 $44,264
29 Georgia Red $47,590 $50,861 $49,136 $46,841
30 Nebraska Red $47,357 $49,693 $47,085 $48,126
31 Maine Blue $45,734 $46,581 $45,888 $45,040
32 Indiana Red $45,424 $47,966 $47,448 $44,806
33 Ohio Purple $45,395 $47,988 $46,597 $45,837
34 Michigan Blue $45,255 $48,591 $47,950 $47,064
35 Missouri Red $45,229 $46,867 $45,114 $44,651
36 South Dakota Red $45,043 $46,032 $43,424 $44,624
37 Idaho Red $44,926 $47,576 $46,253 $46,395
38 Florida Purple $44,736 $47,778 $47,804 $44,448
39 North Carolina Red $43,674 $46,549 $44,670 $42,061
40 New Mexico Blue $43,028 $43,508 $41,452 $40,827
41 Louisiana Red $42,492 $43,733 $40,926 $37,943
42 South Carolina Red $42,442 $44,625 $43,329 $40,822
43 Montana Red $42,322 $43,654 $43,531 $38,629
44 Tennessee Red $41,725 $43,614 $42,367 $40,676
45 Oklahoma Red $41,664 $42,822 $41,567 $40,001
46 Alabama Red $40,489 $42,666 $40,554 $38,473
47 Kentucky Red $40,072 $41,538 $40,267 $38,466
48 Arkansas Red $37,823 $38,815 $38,134 $37,420
49 West Virginia Red $37,435 $37,989 $37,060 $37,227
50 Mississippi Red $36,646 $37,790 $36,338 $35,261


I put the 2011 numbers through excel, here are my findings:

Blue State Median Income: $55,020
US Median Income: $50,502
Red State Median Income: $45,325


Note that "median income" is much more forgiving for Red States than per-capita income, which you can view here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income#States_ranked_by_per _capita_income). In red states it appears wealth is not only more rare, it's also concentrated in fewer hands.

lets just skip to Detroit city ummk its a mes compared to of course other cities like it, in case you was going to go pull up stats for some 2 bit town thats barley a city

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-30-2012, 09:18 PM
dunno what to do with Detroit perhaps we can sell the city to china or korea or japan they could use the space to make a new giant size golf course

txtebow
07-20-2013, 05:53 PM
Detroit tries to file bankruptcy...meanwhile, the suburbs are trying to erect walls to keep the "diversity" out of their 'burbs.............http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/19/should-hamtramck-erect-a-12-foot-wall-to-keep-out-detroiters/

"Prosperous suburbs (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/19/metro-detroit-politicos-plan-big-apple-trip-to-counter-bankruptcy-fallout/) surrounding Detroit — and even the struggling enclaves within — are working to distance themselves from a city in financial ruin (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/19/emergency-manager-shocked-by-tolerance-for-detroit-mismanagement/).
In Hamtramck, one City Council candidate is taking that idea to the extreme.
Richard Fabiszak has proposed that Hamtramck build a 12 or 14-foot wall around the city, keeping out Detroiters, and requiring state-issued identification to get in."

B-Large
07-20-2013, 08:30 PM
This thread is dilrods.....

language filters sucks, Orange Mane.... thumbs down

txtebow
07-22-2013, 07:58 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2013/07/19/what-killed-detroit-lets-not-forget-the-who/?wpsrc=AG0002957&clsrd

The finger-pointing for Detroit’s decades of decline usually starts with the 1967 race riots. High pensions for unionized workers get its share of the blame, as does the global economic trends that upended the auto industry. Meanwhile, racial politics and white flight to the suburbs rightly earn a place as a driver of the city’s blight.

But so much focus on what happened can leave behind the “who.” Yes, a confluence of economic and cultural forces unquestionably led to Detroit‘s decline and its filing, on Thursday, for the largest municipal bankruptcy in the history of the United States. But Detroit also failed as a city because of the leaders who failed Detroit.

Some names are obvious. There is former mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who could face 20 years in prison after being convicted for crimes such as extortion, bribery and racketeering. Obviously, decades of decline preceded the “hip-hop mayor,” but the corruption of his tenure certainly didn’t help. While Kilpatrick was in office, Detroit’s credit ratings returned to junk status.

There is Coleman Young, the combative five-term mayor who led the city for what Daniel Okrent has called, in Time, a “corrosive two-decade rule of a black politician who cared more about retribution than about resurrection.” Though Young’s tenure is caught up in racial divisiveness that some believe make him misunderstood, it’s clear he stayed in office for far too long, did little to try and mend fences broken down along racial lines, and led the city when its debt rating first reached junk status



YOU GET WHAT YOU ELECT.AMERICA IS NEXT

houghtam
07-22-2013, 08:51 AM
Detroit tries to file bankruptcy...meanwhile, the suburbs are trying to erect walls to keep the "diversity" out of their 'burbs.............http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/19/should-hamtramck-erect-a-12-foot-wall-to-keep-out-detroiters/

"Prosperous suburbs (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/19/metro-detroit-politicos-plan-big-apple-trip-to-counter-bankruptcy-fallout/) surrounding Detroit — and even the struggling enclaves within — are working to distance themselves from a city in financial ruin (http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/07/19/emergency-manager-shocked-by-tolerance-for-detroit-mismanagement/).
In Hamtramck, one City Council candidate is taking that idea to the extreme.
Richard Fabiszak has proposed that Hamtramck build a 12 or 14-foot wall around the city, keeping out Detroiters, and requiring state-issued identification to get in."

And here we go again with outsiders making claims they know nothing about. This has nothing to do with being against "diversity", as Hamtramck is about as diverse as it gets. HUGE middle eastern population there and a broad, diverse ethnic base that is embraced in that city.

Learn what you're talking about first. Maybe visit the city a time or two.

Then talk.

Otherwise you look like the idiot you are.

Rohirrim
07-22-2013, 12:29 PM
I doubt that Detroit is much different than many other cities in the NE that were built around an industry and then, when that industry failed (or left) the people began to move out and the city began to collapse. Having grown up on the West Coast I was amazed to live in Buffalo and drive down along Lake Erie, to Lackawanna, and see mile after mile of the deserted Bethlehem Steel mills. Detroit had a corrupt government but they also had a disappearing tax base.

B-Large
07-22-2013, 01:01 PM
I doubt that Detroit is much different than many other cities in the NE that were built around an industry and then, when that industry failed (or left) the people began to move out and the city began to collapse. Having grown up on the West Coast I was amazed to live in Buffalo and drive down along Lake Erie, to Lackawanna, and see mile after mile of the deserted Bethlehem Steel mills. Detroit had a corrupt government but they also had a disappearing tax base.

oh, you lived in B-Lo at one point.

Yeah, manufactuing rusting into toxic heaps on some of the best waterfront in the Northeast... its sad because Buffalo used to be a very wealthy city many moons ago, but times change, the lakes became less important and steel left... it happens, times change, Detroit is no different.

Rohirrim
07-22-2013, 01:09 PM
oh, you lived in B-Lo at one point.

Yeah, manufactuing rusting into toxic heaps on some of the best waterfront in the Northeast... its sad because Buffalo used to be a very wealthy city many moons ago, but times change, the lakes became less important and steel left... it happens, times change, Detroit is no different.

Coming from the West Coast, where real estate is very expensive, it was amazing to me to see these vast expanses of material just left to rust. On the WC, a business fails and is replaced by a new business in days.

My dad grew up working in the steel mills of Pittsburgh. He joined the Marines in order to find an easier life. ;D

txtebow
07-22-2013, 08:03 PM
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

No one wants to admit what the collapse of an almost entirely black city means. Detroit is nearly 90 percent black, though in virtually none of the articles (or opinion pieces) on the city's historic bankruptcy is this highly pertinent fact mentioned.

Save this piece by Paul Kersey at VDare.com [“Detroit Is A Microcosm Of Black America”–Black Studies Professor’s 2010 Op-Ed Says What, Vdare.com, July 22, 2013]:

Both President Obama and Attorney General Eric “My People” Holder have called for a dialogue on race relations among Americans in the wake of acquittal of George Zimmerman. But the bankruptcy of Detroit is a more fitting starting point for this dialogue.

Only yesterday, Detroit was a city where an intensely color-conscious people bragged about exercising more “black political power” than anywhere else in America. Today, the result is undeniable disaster.
Detroit still has a population of more than 700,000 people, where Front Page Magazine jokes that 91 percent of murders go unsolved each year. Hilariously, the writer asks: "Honk if you like Democrats living next to you," never capable of admitting that it's black people who are nearly 90 percent of the population of Detroit and who as individuals create the collective conditions of misery, murder, and mayhem in the city.

txtebow
07-22-2013, 08:06 PM
Municipalities look to export CRIME.....



To ensure that "every American is able to choose to live in a community they feel proud of," HUD has published a new fair-housing regulation intended to give people access to better neighborhoods than the ones they currently live in.

The goal is to help communities understand "fair housing barriers" and "establish clear goals" for "improving integrated living patterns and overcoming historic patterns of segregation."

“This proposed rule represents a 21st century approach to fair housing, a step forward to ensuring that every American is able to choose to live in a community they feel proud of – where they have a fair shot at reaching their full potential in life,” said HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan.

“For the first time ever," Donovan added, "HUD will provide data for every neighborhood in the country, detailing the access African American, Latino, Asian, and other communities have to local assets, including schools, jobs, transportation, and other important neighborhood resources that can play a role in helping people move into the middle class."

Social engineering

According to HUD, long-term solutions include "helping people gain access to different neighborhoods and channeling investments into under-served areas." The mapping tool may guide development and zoning decisions, for example.

In a July 16 speech to the NAACP, Donovan said the American Dream still isn't within equal reach of all communities. He lamented the lack of diversity in America's boardrooms, schools, and the nation's "strongest neighborhoods."

"We have got to shape a future where ladders of opportunity are available for all Americans," Donovan said. "For African Americans, this is critically important. Historically, for this community, the rungs on these ladders have been too far apart -– making it harder to reach the middle class."

Donovan said HUD's new neighborhood mapping tool, which uses Census data, will "expand access to high opportunity neighborhoods and draw attention to investment possibilities in under-served communities."

"Make no mistake, this is a big deal," Donovan said. "With the HUD budget alone, we are talking about billions of dollars. And as you know, decades ago, these funds were used to support discrimination. Now, they will be used to expand opportunity and bring communities closer to the American Dream."

Under the Fair Housing Act, HUD requires grantees, such as cities, that receive federal housing funds to "affirmatively further fair housing."

Under the proposed rule, the neighborhood data provided by HUD will be used to evaluate patterns of integration and segregation, racial and ethnic concentrations of poverty, and access to "valuable community assets." HUD wants to know if existing laws and policies -- such as zoning, financing, infrastructure planning and transportation -- create, perpetuate or alleviate segregation.

The proposed rule explicitly incorporates fair-housing decision-making into existing planning processes and "other decision-making that influences how communities and regions grow and develop
- See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/huds-new-fair-housing-rule-establishes-diversity-data-every-neighborhood-us#sthash.DiCjCNNz.dpuf

txtebow
07-23-2013, 07:49 AM
Interesting. The more things change, the more they stay the same (or trend worse!)....

From Time magazine April 21st,1958

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C810262%2C00.html


THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North’s big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.

In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm—murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In one city after another, the figures—where they are not hidden or suppressed by politicians—reveal a shocking pattern. Items:

New York (14% Negro). Of the prisoners confined in houses of detention last year to await court disposition of their cases, 44% of the males and 65% of the females were Negroes.

Chicago (15% Negro). In 1956 twice as many Negroes as whites—1,366 to 679—were arrested on charges of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape and robbery.

Detroit (25% Negro). Two out of three prisoners held in the Wayne County jail are Negroes. Last month 62% of. the defendants presented for trial in Recorder’s Court were Negroes. Of last year’s 25,216 arrests resulting in prosecution, excluding traffic cases, Negroes accounted for 12,919.

Los Angeles (13% Negro). In 1956 Negroes accounted for 28% of all arrests, and 48% of the arrests for homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, larceny and auto theft.

San Francisco (7% Negro). The victims in 896 of last year’s 1,564 recorded robbery cases reported that the assailants were Negroes.

Negro leaders sometimes argue passionately that arrest statistics wildly distort the comparative incidence of crime among Negroes and whites because cops are more likely to arrest Negroes for petty crimes or on mere suspicion. Protests Executive Editor Charles Wartman of Detroit’s Michigan Chronicle, a Negro weekly: “The number of Negroes booked is at least partially indicative of subconscious if not conscious racial persecution on the part of police officers.”

But inequality of treatment by the police may actually tend to shrink rather than inflate the statistics of Negro crime. Says Newsman Wartman in the next breath: “When Negroes violate social morals—sex, drinking, gambling—white cops bypass this as ‘typically Negro.’ ” Many Negro leaders protest that the police are far from diligent enough in dealing with crimes committed against Negroes—and Negroes are the victims in the great majority of Negro crimes of violence. Since Negroes, even when they are victims or innocent bystanders, are often wary of calling the police, many offenses of disorder and assault go unreported when committed by Negroes in the depths of a ghetto.

Whether the statistics of Negro crime overstate or understate the reality, they are shrouded from public attention by what a Chicago judge last week called a “conspiracy of concealment.” In many cities, Negro leaders and organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People put pressure on politicians, city officials and newspapers to play down the subject. Fearing loss of Negro votes, few elected officials dare to resist the pressures.

Abetting the concealment campaign is the feeling shared by many whites that it is unfair, inflammatory and even un-American to talk about Negro crime. This feeling is reflected in the widespread newspaper practice of not mentioning a criminal’s race unless he is at large and the fact would help in identifying him.

In hiding the facts about Negro crime, the “conspiracy of concealment” helps blur the causes of it. Negro leaders themselves often put forward explanations that are oversimple. Some hold that Negro crime is largely the result of migrations from the South: in the unfamiliar environment of the North, the argument runs, Negroes tend to be more crime-prone, just like white immigrants from abroad. But in fact, some studies have shown that, contrary to popular conviction, crime rates among foreign-born whites were lower than among U.S.-born whites.

Most often, Negro leaders point to poverty as the No. 1 factor in Negro crime. As Editor Louis Martin of the Chicago Defender sees it, the main cause is poor and crowded housing. But the moderate crime rates among European immigrants, subject to similar stresses of poverty and bad housing, suggest that other factors may be more important.

Providing better housing for impoverished Negroes is a necessity, but it would not solve the problem of Negro crime. Crime rates run high in the Negro slums of Harlem and South Side Chicago, but they also run high in the Negro districts of Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the houses are comparatively decent. As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict. Slum dwellers who move into brand-new public-housing projects often turn them into new slums as verminous and crime-ridden as the tenements they left behind.

Negro leadership could make a start toward lowering Negro crime rates by abandoning the conspiracy of concealment and urging full disclosure of the facts to be met. Once they faced the facts, Negro leaders and organizations—including the N.A.A.C.P.—could help by wholeheartedly undertaking short-term efforts of rehabilitation, by accepting responsibility in an area where they habitually look the other way.

But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration, and start attacking discrimination in the North with the same fervor they show in arguing for civil rights in the South.

Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.

“Slam enough doors in a man’s face, and he may break one of them down,” said San Francisco’s Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won’t be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume



http://www.eutimes.net/2009/05/national-affairs-the-negro-crime-rate-a-failure-in-integration/

txtebow
07-23-2013, 07:53 AM
With this latest HUD proposal we all need to remember his:

It's not neighborhoods that are inherently violent; it's the people in those neighborhoods.



""Make no mistake, this is a big deal," Donovan said. "With the HUD budget alone, we are talking about billions of dollars. And as you know, decades ago, these funds were used to support discrimination. Now, they will be used to expand opportunity and bring communities closer to the American Dream." - See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/huds-new-fair-housing-rule-establishes-diversity-data-every-neighborhood-us#sthash.TIELSqfn.dpuf

txtebow
07-23-2013, 07:55 AM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3043450/posts?page=81

Jasmine Rand, an attorney with Parks & Crump representing the family of slain Florida teenager Trayvon Martin told Greta Van Susteren tonight on the Fox News Channel that she is a "social engineer" more than an attorney.

Rand's statement came while being questioned by Van Susteren about her rejecting the jury's verdict clearing George Zimmerman in the February 26, 2013 shooting death of Martin in Sanford, Florida.

Van Susteren was quite ticked off at Rand over this and let her know.

Rand admitting to being a "social engineer" gives away the game that Parks & Crump has been playing hand in hand with the Obama administration: Their goal is not justice, but social engineering.



this HUD program is more of the same.

txtebow
07-29-2013, 08:12 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/opinion/come-see-detroit-americas-future.html?_r=1&

I KNOW an old woman who hasn’t opened her windows in a decade, afraid that what’s outside will climb inside. Inside, there is the stale odor of dead air.

I know another woman who called me about a corpse lying outside her window for six and a half hours. This was because of cutbacks at the morgue. No dignity in death here. They do it better in Baghdad.

The latest trend? When a person is murdered, he is thrown into an abandoned house, and it is set on fire. There are tens of thousands to choose from.

I know of an 11-year-old boy who was shot, the bullet going clean through his arm. The cops stuffed him in the back of a squad car and rushed him to the hospital. That’s how we do it. There was no ambulance available. About two-thirds of the city’s fleet is broken on an average day.

I know a cop who drives around in a squad car with holes in the floorboards. There is no computer, no air-conditioning, the odometer reading 147,000 miles. His bulletproof vest has expired. His pay has been cut 10 percent.

I knew a firefighter who died in a fire, but not from the fire. He died when the roof of an abandoned house collapsed on him and his brethren could not find him because his homing alarm was broken and did not sound. He suffocated.

In our town, the 911 dispatch system recently went down for 15 hours, and no one seemed to give a damn. When the system is running, the average wait is 58 minutes. Firefighters can’t use hydraulic ladders on fire trucks to do their jobs unless there is an “immediate threat to life.” In a fire — imagine that. The ladders haven’t been inspected in years.

If this were New York, these stories would have ricocheted around the world. But this is Detroit and, of course, nobody gives a damn. Even here people have been conditioned to accept these things as normal, a nuisance, the buzz of a fly.

This numbness, in a peculiar way, is a sign of strength. People here manage to get along somehow.

So we went broke, bust, bankrupt. We’ve known that in Detroit for years. Only now it is official with a Chapter 9 filing last week. The biggest municipal default in United States history — at least $18 billion. Suddenly, America gives a rip.

How did it get this way, I’m asked? After all, it was just 99 years ago that Henry Ford offered the workingman $5 a day and profit-sharing. How, in less than a century, did it come to this?

The short answers: municipal mismanagement, race riots, white flight, black flight, dead flight (people routinely disinter their deceased and relocate them to the suburbs). There were the overreaching unions and management that couldn’t balance a ball. Proof? The multibillion-dollar bailout of the auto industry. Thank you, American taxpayers!

nyuk nyuk
07-31-2013, 10:46 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2013/07/19/what-killed-detroit-lets-not-forget-the-who/?wpsrc=AG0002957&clsrd

The finger-pointing for Detroit’s decades of decline usually starts with the 1967 race riots. High pensions for unionized workers get its share of the blame, as does the global economic trends that upended the auto industry.

The idea of a right to live for upwards of 40 years for free of a pension from an old job is preposterous. People need to shake out of the idea. Social Security is meant to be supplemental, which is why it's called supplemental. It's not supposed to be lived off of to the exclusion of all else.

Such programs were put into place when people lived much shorter lives than they do now. You simply cannot have tens of millions living off the dole for free and float an economy and medical system. If you can work, you need to be.

If you work for a city government, for example, and retire in 1990, you should not be entitled to live off the dole until you die in 2030. Ridiculous idea. Mooching. Destructive.

nyuk nyuk
07-31-2013, 10:49 AM
The short answers: municipal mismanagement, race riots, white flight, black flight, dead flight (people routinely disinter their deceased and relocate them to the suburbs). There were the overreaching unions and management that couldn’t balance a ball. Proof? The multibillion-dollar bailout of the auto industry. Thank you, American taxpayers!

As far as I know, tens of thousands in the Detroit area lost their jobs when auto manufacturing - once a prized and highly-paid job - moved to Mexico. How can a place possibly recover from the loss of several factories which employ thousands? Huge economic domino effect here in play, I suspect.

Rohirrim
07-31-2013, 12:19 PM
The idea of a right to live for upwards of 40 years for free of a pension from an old job is preposterous. People need to shake out of the idea. Social Security is meant to be supplemental, which is why it's called supplemental. It's not supposed to be lived off of to the exclusion of all else.

Such programs were put into place when people lived much shorter lives than they do now. You simply cannot have tens of millions living off the dole for free and float an economy and medical system. If you can work, you need to be.

If you work for a city government, for example, and retire in 1990, you should not be entitled to live off the dole until you die in 2030. Ridiculous idea. Mooching. Destructive.

After Jack Welch retired from General Electric it wasn’t until a divorce settlement forced the disclosure of his retirement benefits package that anyone took any notice. At that time, the scandal surrounding Mr. Welch was that his perquisites were valued at $2.5 million a year, and included luxuries such as the use of an $80,000-per-month Manhattan apartment owned by the company, court-side seats to the New York Knicks and U.S. Open, seating at Wimbledon, box seats at Red Sox and Yankees baseball games, country club fees, security services and restaurant bills. No one at the time of his departure had valued Mr. Welch’s full retirement package either, which – at almost $420 million – dwarfs the perks package that Mr. Welch ultimately relinquished.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2012/02/26/examining-the-largest-golden-parachutes/

Rohirrim
07-31-2013, 12:21 PM
Uncovered in the above study:

The 21 CEOs walked away with a total of almost $4 billion in compensation

Rohirrim
07-31-2013, 12:25 PM
So, what this means is that it's perfectly okay if shareholders in a company are paying out for a CEO's luxury retirement package twenty years from now, but to be paying out a worker's retirement pension would be socialism. I'm getting it now. I think.

Fedaykin
07-31-2013, 12:38 PM
The idea of a right to live for upwards of 40 years for free of a pension from an old job is preposterous. People need to shake out of the idea. Social Security is meant to be supplemental, which is why it's called supplemental. It's not supposed to be lived off of to the exclusion of all else.

Such programs were put into place when people lived much shorter lives than they do now. You simply cannot have tens of millions living off the dole for free and float an economy and medical system. If you can work, you need to be.

If you work for a city government, for example, and retire in 1990, you should not be entitled to live off the dole until you die in 2030. Ridiculous idea. Mooching. Destructive.

LOL

Do you really think there are more than an extremely tiny minority of folks that live 40 years in retirement?

Minimum retirement age for most pensions (private or public) is at or around 55+ for people who are at or near retirement now (most plans have a sliding scale, much like SS). The current federal requirement is 57 years. The current CO minimum is either 55 WITH 30 years of service, or any age if you have 35 years of service (and considering most people wouldn't start a career path until early 20 that means between 55-60 years old.

Retire before then and most pension plans are void.

And, most pension plans have a minimum year of service requirement and a differing benefit amount depending on years of service.

And, most pensions plans either readjust age/service restrictions periodically as life expediency improves (i.e. CO), or have a built in age formula based on birth date (i.e. the federal pension plan)

Also, many state employees (CO being one) and federal employes do NOT get Social Security benefits/credit for the years served with the state.

The idea that there is some huge number of people living off pensions for 40 years of retirement is absurd. The only people who live that long on retirement are the small minority that live into their mid 90s and beyond.
Average mortality of current retirees is still in the low 70s, with typical full retirement benefits (SS and/or pensions) only kicking if you retire at 60+.

B-Large
07-31-2013, 01:33 PM
The idea of a right to live for upwards of 40 years for free of a pension from an old job is preposterous. People need to shake out of the idea. Social Security is meant to be supplemental, which is why it's called supplemental. It's not supposed to be lived off of to the exclusion of all else.

Such programs were put into place when people lived much shorter lives than they do now. You simply cannot have tens of millions living off the dole for free and float an economy and medical system. If you can work, you need to be.

If you work for a city government, for example, and retire in 1990, you should not be entitled to live off the dole until you die in 2030. Ridiculous idea. Mooching. Destructive.

Agree and Disgree here:

1. Pensions were a no-brainer, makes sense, no-can-fail employment perk when your local industry dominated their market. When you don't, when you lose so much market share you need bailouts, those Pension all of the sudden become a nail in your coffin. I don't see it as mooching, but retirees had to see the slow train coming doen the tracks and realize they may have to restructure their packages.

2. Social Security, IMHO, should be a true safety net program, and provide the meekest, most vulnerable of our elders to a dignified end to their lives.. it should not be pension for every American, Americans should be incented to save for their own retirement (which most do) and only of last resort get SS money.

Arkie
07-31-2013, 05:33 PM
Teacher Upset She Can't Retire at 47

MEA member says reform bill calling for teachers to contribute minimally to retirement is unfair (http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16789)

Terri List says she would tell her students not to become a teacher in Michigan.

Why?

One of the reasons is because the Saginaw Township Community School District English teacher won’t be able to retire at age 47 as she has hoped.

“Wow. They have reached the politicians’ level of entitlement,” Drolet said. “She thinks she is entitled to retire at 47? Holy smokes. I don’t know what more to say to that. A government employee thinking that 47 is a reasonable expectation to retire shows just how deep inside their own bubble they live, insulated from the real world.”

Charles Owens, president of the Michigan chapter of the National Federation of Independent Business, said tongue-in-cheek that List was “spot on” in her complaint.

“If you want to retire if you are 47, apparently teaching is not the place to go,”



Why should a 66 year old private worker pay taxes to take care of these public retirees 20 years younger? In this case, the teacher would be getting $60,000 the first year of retirement and it goes up 3% every year.

BroncoBeavis
08-01-2013, 08:34 AM
Teacher Upset She Can't Retire at 47

MEA member says reform bill calling for teachers to contribute minimally to retirement is unfair (http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16789)









Why should a 66 year old private worker pay taxes to take care of these public retirees 20 years younger? In this case, the teacher would be getting $60,000 the first year of retirement and it goes up 3% every year.

Said teacher would probably cash in and then take a private worker's job in order to make even more money. Tons of public "retirees" do this. Or even move to a different jurisdiction to create a second pension for when they truly retire.

It's funny how they're willing to early-sunset, spike, and double-dip the system dry, but then complain at first opportunity about fairness.

Rohirrim
08-01-2013, 08:40 AM
Teacher Upset She Can't Retire at 47

MEA member says reform bill calling for teachers to contribute minimally to retirement is unfair (http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16789)





Why should a 66 year old private worker pay taxes to take care of these public retirees 20 years younger? In this case, the teacher would be getting $60,000 the first year of retirement and it goes up 3% every year.

I have relatives who are teachers who would consider this person an idiot, as most reasonable people would. One anomaly does not make a case.

BroncoBeavis
08-01-2013, 08:43 AM
I have relatives who are teachers who would consider this person an idiot, as most reasonable people would. One anomaly does not make a case.

There are pension plans all over the place that only require 20 years of service with no minimum age requirement. 50-55 is a very common retirement age in many public sector circles. Though in reality, very few of those people really 'retire'

Rohirrim
08-01-2013, 08:52 AM
I question the competing ideologies.

If you have some young market operator who says, "I plan on making millions and retiring by the time I'm in my thirties" that's cool.

If a policeman says, "I'm going to put in my twenty and then retire" that's not cool.

BroncoBeavis
08-01-2013, 08:59 AM
I question the competing ideologies.

If you have some young market operator who says, "I plan on making millions and retiring by the time I'm in my thirties" that's cool.

If a policeman says, "I'm going to put in my twenty and then retire" that's not cool.

The odds of that market operator actually succeeding are incredibly slim, and even then, completely self-funded. The odds of a public employee making 20 years is more likely than not. And then the pension system he banks on was never intended to pay for 30 years of health care on a guy who's retired far longer than he worked.

TonyR
08-26-2013, 10:07 AM
Apparently the U.S. gives more aid to 32 countries than it does to Detroit.

http://nextcity.org/equityfactor/entry/here-is-foreign-every-country-that-gets-more-federal-aid-than-detroit

Meck77
08-26-2013, 10:24 AM
Apparently the U.S. gives more aid to 32 countries than it does to Detroit.

http://nextcity.org/equityfactor/entry/here-is-foreign-every-country-that-gets-more-federal-aid-than-detroit

WOW...

Meanwhile we are positioning our military to take on Syria at the urging of Israel. Here is an idea. Israel should have handled it's own business (Iraq war I & II) and those trillions could have been spent on American soil.

Here we go again. America has become Israel's rabid pit bull they love to fight with.

TonyR
08-26-2013, 10:29 AM
^ Meck, I know we often disagree but we are 100% on the same page on this issue!

houghtam
08-26-2013, 10:39 AM
^ Meck, I know we often disagree but we are 100% on the same page on this issue!

X2

gyldenlove
08-26-2013, 10:49 AM
Teacher Upset She Can't Retire at 47

MEA member says reform bill calling for teachers to contribute minimally to retirement is unfair (http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16789)









Why should a 66 year old private worker pay taxes to take care of these public retirees 20 years younger? In this case, the teacher would be getting $60,000 the first year of retirement and it goes up 3% every year.

Way to not understand how pensions work.

Arkie
08-26-2013, 11:53 AM
Way to not understand how pensions work.

funded or unfunded plans?