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ludo21
11-29-2012, 10:22 AM
And is this in the process or in the thoughts of happening?

:thumbs:


just wondering cause when I do things on the phone or ipod, i never frequent the site. But I would if we had an app.

RhymesayersDU
11-29-2012, 10:26 AM
Well even if not an app, a mobile version would be appreciated. I know TJ is a busy guy but this site is behind the times.

Taco John
11-29-2012, 10:29 AM
I've been eyeballing VB 4 for awhile, but they're about to release VB5 connect, which is currently in beta. I'm probably going to skip 4 and go directly to 5 when it's released. vB5 is optimized for mobile (or so they say, I haven't yet tested it thoroughly yet). But I expect by next season we'll be on the new platform, and so I don't expect to put a lot of resources into a mobile app right now for the software version that's on its way out the door.

Taco John
11-29-2012, 10:30 AM
VB5 looks pretty sweet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YTjlRoLdmxI

Chris
11-29-2012, 10:39 AM
I really don't understand what's difficult about viewing the site on a mobile browser. I used it pretty often. I'm genuinely curious as this goes at the heart of my not understanding the app phenomenon since getting to them is so much slower and they have less options.

Taco John
11-29-2012, 10:42 AM
I really don't understand what's difficult about viewing the site on a mobile browser. I used it pretty often. I'm genuinely curious as this goes at the heart of my not understanding the app phenomenon since getting to them is so much slower and they have less options.

I also use my phone and tablet quite often to view the site. It's usable on a phone, but definitely not optimized for it.

Quoydogs
11-29-2012, 10:50 AM
I use the Dolphin app which is free, then make OM my homepage. The nice thing about it is once into the site you double tape the page and it sizes it to fit the screen. I don't know why you need an app. It runs smooth.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-29-2012, 10:58 AM
I just use safari on my iPhone. Better than an app

theAPAOps5
11-29-2012, 11:20 AM
View it just fine on my phone and iPad. Use that more than computer.

RhymesayersDU
11-29-2012, 11:24 AM
I also use my phone and tablet quite often to view the site. It's usable on a phone, but definitely not optimized for it.

This.

I'm posting this from my iPhone right now. It's obviously doable, but a true mobile version would make it much easier.

myMind
11-29-2012, 11:32 AM
What about getting it picked up by tapatalk? I use that to view a lot of forums that aren't optimized. Have you looked into how you could get the OM on there Taco? It's free to activate for any forum.


Here, if you have a minute you could sctivate it pretty easily here with the free option. If you so desire.

http://www.tapatalk.com/pricing.php

ludo21
11-29-2012, 11:39 AM
i use my ipod every so often or phone. but as has been said its not optimal so i definitely think the mobile version would improve that.

@Chris.... App's make things much easier and smoother for different sites or programs, you need to get with it ;D

BroncoBeavis
11-29-2012, 11:56 AM
I tend to hate sites that push an app on you. Who wants an app for every forum they visit? And I know mobile themes are well intentioned, but it seems like a majority break some important functionality of the desktop website. Most of the time, if they provide a link to bypass the mobile theme, I use it.

I've been on android for awhile. With Opera Mini before I got my new phone that runs Chrome. I think the future is about mobile browsers that can better handle desktop sites, and probably also websites better designed for either type of user.

So if it were me, I wouldn't waste a bunch of time/$$$ on any app or mobile-only themes.

Rabb
11-29-2012, 12:06 PM
What about getting it picked up by tapatalk? I use that to view a lot of forums that aren't optimized. Have you looked into how you could get the OM on there Taco? It's free to activate for any forum.


Here, if you have a minute you could sctivate it pretty easily here with the free option. If you so desire.

http://www.tapatalk.com/pricing.php

that is what I use on my site, users have been very happy with it

baja
11-29-2012, 12:57 PM
I just use safari on my iPhone. Better than an app

Me too. never had an issue. It's great on iPad

Archer81
11-29-2012, 01:07 PM
Use it on my iPhone when I'm at work, can also moderate with it even though it takes awhile.


:Broncos:

HILife
11-29-2012, 01:23 PM
I use the Dolphin app which is free, then make OM my homepage. The nice thing about it is once into the site you double tape the page and it sizes it to fit the screen. I don't know why you need an app. It runs smooth.

Because it can be smoother. It can never be too smooth when I'm gliding in......What are we talking about?

HILife
11-29-2012, 01:25 PM
What about getting it picked up by tapatalk? I use that to view a lot of forums that aren't optimized. Have you looked into how you could get the OM on there Taco? It's free to activate for any forum.


Here, if you have a minute you could sctivate it pretty easily here with the free option. If you so desire.

http://www.tapatalk.com/pricing.php

I vote for mobile web browser optimization. I have enough apps on my phone.

Chris
11-29-2012, 01:36 PM
i use my ipod every so often or phone. but as has been said its not optimal so i definitely think the mobile version would improve that.

@Chris.... App's make things much easier and smoother for different sites or programs, you need to get with it ;D

The idea of having a separate app for every single site, forum, porn site, philippino dwarf tossing community I visit is flat out painful to me. I understand if you to do things other than a reformatting of a website like reading barcodes to price compare or playing games or tagging songs but for sites turned into apps I really don't understand the consumer benefit. It's just flat out slower to scroll to an app than it is to type in the first three letters of a web address I already have saved. I then have to find the app for the next site I want to visit. From the site's perspective, it locks people in and builds loyalty so that's great for them.

ios is app driven because apple sells the hardware at break even and makes money from their app cut but 95% of those apps are completely pointless. Android is more browser driven because that's how they make their money. Windows phone 8 is a marriage of the two. I use the email, weather, mapping and song tagging apps on my iphone. Beyond that I can't bring myself to like something I find slower to access.

BroncoBuff
11-29-2012, 01:37 PM
Maybe I'm not using it right, but the site apps I have on my Android offer very little advantage over using a straight browser. Banks, eBay, Wiki, agencies, Craigslist, PayPal, where's the advantage?

Pick Six
11-29-2012, 01:41 PM
Is it a data usage issue? If not, I see no problem with opening a browser...

BroncoBuff
11-29-2012, 02:23 PM
Oh I see, using the app saves data ... okay, thanks. I'm unlimited, but I think Virgin slows your transfer rate if you hit a certain level, so I will use the apps after all, thanks.

chadta
11-29-2012, 02:35 PM
Ive been asking for tapatalk for a couple years now, but seem to be the only one, Cant say I blame TJ for not doing it for 1 or 2 posters, Im still not sure there is enough demand, Also not sure this is something that should be started mid season, sounds like more of an off season project. What happens if something goes wrong and the site is down on game day ? Sometimes its best just to leave well enough alone.

broncosteven
11-29-2012, 02:41 PM
I would also recommend that if you guys want to help Taco improve the site, the end of the year is a great time to send him a donation. I look at it as a subscription for something I get to use all the time. I was going to wait a couple weeks but maybe I will send in what I can now while I am thinking about it.

It is hard to do improvements when one dude is floating the boat for them. Just a thought.

bowtown
11-29-2012, 02:59 PM
I just use safari on my iPhone. Better than an app

False.

Kaylore
11-29-2012, 03:08 PM
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ludo21
11-29-2012, 03:09 PM
also may make the podcast option easier to use.... just thoughts

increase traffic, make more money... ya know ;D

Chris
11-29-2012, 03:34 PM
also may make the podcast option easier to use.... just thoughts

increase traffic, make more money... ya know ;D

o u done it now

http://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Sell-Out.jpe

sazwaz
11-29-2012, 08:29 PM
So the next version after that will be called VB6? That's unfortunate.

lonestar
11-29-2012, 11:07 PM
I really don't understand what's difficult about viewing the site on a mobile browser. I used it pretty often. I'm genuinely curious as this goes at the heart of my not understanding the app phenomenon since getting to them is so much slower and they have less options.

Almost all my viewing is on either iPad or iPhone, 90% of my posting.

Having an app will not make the fonts larger. That is my ony issue.

Well my biggest one is response time, getting a blank screen back, or getting a double post. Without warning and both of those happen, on my desktop as well. ..
I've tried testing it on other IP other than my own wifi, also tested it on 3G it is the same issues for me. Regardless of which I use. Which means it is the server or inbound lines for OM.

baja
11-29-2012, 11:24 PM
I get that blank white screen a lot too. I thought it was my issue. Good to know it isn't.

Blart
11-29-2012, 11:59 PM
What about getting it picked up by tapatalk? I use that to view a lot of forums that aren't optimized. Have you looked into how you could get the OM on there Taco? It's free to activate for any forum.


Here, if you have a minute you could sctivate it pretty easily here with the free option. If you so desire.

http://www.tapatalk.com/pricing.php

Another vote here for tapatalk!

Cost to for TJ to upgrade vbulletin to 3.8 - about $30.

Cost for each user to get an incredible app: $2.99. Unless they pir8 it, then free.

BroncoBuff
11-30-2012, 01:20 AM
I would also recommend that if you guys want to help Taco improve the site, the end of the year is a great time to send him a donation.

Hark! Do I hear talk of a fund-raiser?

Don't get me started on this unless you mean it.

Really, really, REALLY mean it.

BroncoBuff
11-30-2012, 03:08 AM
I just use safari on my iPhone. Better than an app
False.

"False," that's it, that's all?

Drunken's point is my point, and now several guys in here are echoing the same question, specifically: What practical, functional advantages do Apps give you that browsers don't? I can't think of any, but I do know the Facebook app sucks because your movement around the site seems restricted ... the app narrows your options and funnels you around. Another app - I think Bank of America - it seems I'm always landing in the middle of ads.

Crush said maybe the app transfers less data than a browser, thus saves you money/minutes. That's a good advantage right there, so if that's the big advantage, fine, say so. But if there's something more, somebody should explain it please.

chadta
11-30-2012, 05:04 AM
What practical, functional advantages do Apps give you that browsers don't? I can't think of any, but I do know the Facebook app sucks because your movement around the site seems restricted ... the app narrows your options and funnels you around.

I would agree with this, which is why another group of us have mentioned tapatalk, I use it for 3 or 4 other forums already, it doesnt seem to restrict access from what I can tell.

bowtown
11-30-2012, 05:24 AM
I would agree with this, which is why another group of us have mentioned tapatalk, I use it for 3 or 4 other forums already, it doesnt seem to restrict access from what I can tell.

You realize tapatalk is an app, right?

bowtown
11-30-2012, 05:37 AM
"False," that's it, that's all?

Drunken's point is my point, and now several guys in here are echoing the same question, specifically: What practical, functional advantages do Apps give you that browsers don't? I can't think of any, but I do know the Facebook app sucks because your movement around the site seems restricted ... the app narrows your options and funnels you around. Another app - I think Bank of America - it seems I'm always landing in the middle of ads.

Crush said maybe the app transfers less data than a browser, thus saves you money/minutes. That's a good advantage right there, so if that's the big advantage, fine, say so. But if there's something more, somebody should explain it please.

Facebook is a huge site where you can do about a billion different actions, so yes, they scale it down to the most commonly used functionality on a smaller mobile setting, and then optimize for that setting so that its easier to use and a better experience. The Mane has about 6 things you can do, that anyone here really takes advantage of. All an app would do is make that stuff look better and function more quickly with a better mobile view and experience. It would be quicker, potentially allow for offline content reading, allow you to actually type into rep, as mentioned, could be integrated with the podcasts to make those easier to access and listen to, and would just be an overall more enjoyable experience than trying to log on to the site, hoping that there are no hacker delays, and constantly zooming in and out from page to page to be able to get through the content. And if there were something that an small group of people wanted and wasn't there, they could all still access it from their browsers.

All this said, I'm totally on board with TJ waiting until the next release. Makes total sense, but to act like trying to navigate a site on your phone is somehow as good an experience as a site customized for it is crazy talk.

Taco John
11-30-2012, 09:18 AM
Another vote here for tapatalk!

Cost to for TJ to upgrade vbulletin to 3.8 - about $30.

Cost for each user to get an incredible app: $2.99. Unless they pir8 it, then free.

We're already on vB 3.8.

Rock Chalk
11-30-2012, 10:45 PM
Responsive websites are starting to increase in popularity, and forum software will eventually start adapting to it. These sites scale automatically depending on the device being used by looking at the device's resolution. There are plenty of frameworks out there that give developers the base CSS code to create these sites quickly (twitter bootstrap is a good one that is increasingly popular).

There are a few great reasons to do a responsive website instead of a mobile version, a desktop version and an app. One, you have one site to maintain and modify. Two, there is no need for users to install or purchase anything (this is a very big deterrant for the majority of users. People want free ****, so keep it free if you can). Responsive websites done right also look lke full versions on tables in the horizontal view.

Tapatalk is OK, but again, its 3 bucks and I have 3 devices I view the site on outside of my desktop which means 9 bucks for something that Id rather just view in a browser? GMAFB.

Taco should seriously consider looking at other forum software too as vBulletin is old, dated and none of the upgrades I have seen over the years have fixed the core problems of vBulletin. Its slow because all of the html and css is stored in a freaking database which causes heavy load on the DB servers and requires way more resources than it should. Even if they used a bloated templating engine like smarty, it would be ten times faster than it is now.

I frequent a college board that uses XenForo and I really like the forum. Its sleek, has a lot of very cool features, is fast. Not sure what Isaac's budget is but he should look into it. Get the eff away from vBulletin.