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baja
11-25-2012, 09:01 PM
How about that!!!

Crushaholic
11-25-2012, 09:03 PM
After this sub-par performance? awesome...:strong:

baja
11-25-2012, 09:04 PM
And we are just a whisker behind Houston on Offense at #3 and even closer to Chicago at #3 on Defense.

Bacchus
11-25-2012, 09:05 PM
After this sub-par performance? awesome...:strong:

The rankings go by yardage. Denver had what 400 yards total offense and the defense really did a number on Quinn as far as yardage.

baja
11-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Denver 368 total net yards

KC 264 total net yards

Archer81
11-25-2012, 09:47 PM
Only had 2 sacks though. Without a pashrush we iz tha doomed.


:Broncos:

baja
11-25-2012, 09:52 PM
Quinn completed 13 of 25 for 125 yards Yes that's right 13 passes. I'd say we did our job on Defense with not much chance for sacks

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-25-2012, 09:57 PM
The rankings go by yardage. Denver had what 400 yards total offense and the defense really did a number on Quinn as far as yardage.

I just realized that ass in your pic is the one jets locker room was harassing?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 10:01 PM
You guys are kicking ass and the Super Bowl favorite.

baja
11-25-2012, 10:10 PM
You guys are kicking ass and the Super Bowl favorite.


I see what you are doing here Bob.

pricejj
11-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Hard not to come out statistically better against the lowly Chiefs...

...and another thing, yards don't matter, points do.


1. The Defense gave up way too many easy rushing yards reminiscent of the Patriots game (mostly directly at Dumervil and Woodyard).
2. If we aren't playing against Brady Quinn...we probably get rolled.
3. Way too many drops, which is our primary drive killer.

baja
11-25-2012, 10:17 PM
What a joyless bunch some of you are.

Archer81
11-25-2012, 10:18 PM
Hard not to come out statistically better against the lowly Chiefs...

...and another thing, yards don't matter, points do.


1. 1. The Defense gave up way too many easy rushing yards reminiscent of the Patriots game (mostly directly at Dumervil and Woodyard).
2.2. If we aren't playing against Brady Quinn...we probably get rolled.
3. 3. Way too many drops, which is our primary drive killer.


1. 9 points allowed.
2. Yet we did play Brady Quinn.
3. Only thing I agree with. Even then...still won.

:Broncos:

pricejj
11-25-2012, 10:36 PM
What a joyless bunch some of you are.

I might be happy if Prater hit those two FG's...but it's hard to get overly excited about scoring 17 points, and seeing the Defense get carved up like tofurkey against the run.

You should change your thread title to read "Defense is 8th, and Offense slips, still pull out win against hapless Chiefs..." that would be more accurate.

pricejj
11-25-2012, 10:42 PM
1. 9 points allowed.

:Broncos:

You could play SS, and I could play FS, and we still wouldn't give up more than 9 against Cassel's back-up. Quinn never saw the field when he played with the Broncos....there is a reason why.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-25-2012, 10:46 PM
i do think we are the 4th or 5th favorite to go to the superbowl maybe 6th favorite but not THE FAVORITE AS IN NUMBER ONE FAVORITE
Current Odds to win the Super Bowl @ JustBet Sportsbook (http://justbet.cx/bankrollsports/) (as of 11/15/12): Denver Broncos 6.75 to 1

Al Wilson
11-25-2012, 10:48 PM
2 years ago we were the worst defense in the league in almost every category. Now teams are scared to play our defense.

NFLBRONCO
11-25-2012, 10:49 PM
Proves how worthless stats are. A QB with a pulse today we lose simple as that we were lucky today. Only good things we won no injuries Moreno played well not much else. Ravens would have killed us today. I'm glad the D is vastly better this year but, they can't overlook anybody.

DENVERDUI55
11-25-2012, 10:50 PM
Hard not to come out statistically better against the lowly Chiefs...

...and another thing, yards don't matter, points do.


1. The Defense gave up way too many easy rushing yards reminiscent of the Patriots game (mostly directly at Dumervil and Woodyard).
2. If we aren't playing against Brady Quinn...we probably get rolled.
3. Way too many drops, which is our primary drive killer.

Chiefs did what they wanted. Shorten game by running the ball and daring Denver to run with 6 man boxes. They were hoping Denver would f up and lose the game or they would make a st play. It didn't work and game wasn't as close as score indicated.

Archer81
11-25-2012, 10:55 PM
You could play SS, and I could play FS, and we still wouldn't give up more than 9 against Cassel's back-up. Quinn never saw the field when he played with the Broncos....there is a reason why.


I must have missed it when Cassel was setting the league on fire...


:Broncos:

BroncoBeavis
11-25-2012, 11:02 PM
Proves how worthless stats are. A QB with a pulse today we lose simple as that we were lucky today. Only good things we won no injuries Moreno played well not much else. Ravens would have killed us today. I'm glad the D is vastly better this year but, they can't overlook anybody.

Funny thing is the Ravens just finished winning ugly v the team we thumped last week. They could say exactly the same thing today.

Any given Sunday the great teams figure out how to win. Even if its not their best day.

pricejj
11-25-2012, 11:03 PM
I must have missed it when Cassel was setting the league on fire...


:Broncos:

Cassel is the worst QB in the NFL. Quinn is his back-up.

They are both dog****.

DBroncos4life
11-25-2012, 11:04 PM
Proves how worthless stats are. A QB with a pulse today we lose simple as that we were lucky today. Only good things we won no injuries Moreno played well not much else. Ravens would have killed us today. I'm glad the D is vastly better this year but, they can't overlook anybody.

Ravens scored 16 points today against then Chargers, they would not have beat us today. They also put up 9 points against KC, lets not act like we can't keep up with that.

NFLBRONCO
11-25-2012, 11:11 PM
Ravens scored 16 points today against then Chargers, they would not have beat us today. They also put up 9 points against KC, lets not act like we can't keep up with that.


They are alot better at home. I'm looking forward to that game to see how we match up. Rice is a RB that gives us fits.

DENVERDUI55
11-25-2012, 11:11 PM
Proves how worthless stats are. A QB with a pulse today we lose simple as that we were lucky today. Only good things we won no injuries Moreno played well not much else. Ravens would have killed us today. I'm glad the D is vastly better this year but, they can't overlook anybody.

Have you watched the Ravens play this year? The Raven D isn't very good and KC's is a lot better. KC has good defense.

pricejj
11-25-2012, 11:16 PM
Chiefs did what they wanted. Shorten game by running the ball and daring Denver to run with 6 man boxes. They were hoping Denver would f up and lose the game or they would make a st play. It didn't work and game wasn't as close as score indicated.

Eh, the Broncos still had 10 drives. The Chiefs did what any playoff team will do against the Broncos.

The Broncos only got points on 3 out of 10 drives today...that ain't going to cut it.

HAT
11-25-2012, 11:19 PM
Hard not to come out statistically better against the lowly Chiefs...

...and another thing, yards don't matter, points do.


1. The Defense gave up way too many easy rushing yards reminiscent of the Patriots game (mostly directly at Dumervil and Woodyard).
2. If we aren't playing against Brady Quinn...we probably get rolled.
3. Way too many drops, which is our primary drive killer.

wait, what?

DBroncos4life
11-25-2012, 11:26 PM
They are alot better at home. I'm looking forward to that game to see how we match up. Rice is a RB that gives us fits.

I agree they are better at home. Ray Rice on the other hand isn't any more dangerous to this team running the ball then Charles was.

Archer81
11-25-2012, 11:30 PM
Eh, the Broncos still had 10 drives. The Chiefs did what any playoff team will do against the Broncos.

The Broncos only got points on 3 out of 10 drives today...that ain't going to cut it.


I would worry about scoring just 17 points if that was the norm for the season. But this is the first game Denver won all year WITHOUT scoring 30+. They did enough to get it done. Which is something playoff caliber/championship caliber teams do. I swear some people here lately would be upset if we win a playoff game 14-10.

Things need to be cleaned up, obviously, but the gloom and doom talk is just stupid at this point. This offense struggled, which is to be expected from time to time, even then they still managed to force the ball down the Chiefs throat with Moreno of all backs when it HAD to be done. The defense got gashed...but only allowed fieldgoals.

A win is a win.

:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
11-25-2012, 11:41 PM
wait, what?

I counted 12 carries over 5 yards KC had. KC had a long run of 19 and another of 15. I'm pretty sure the NFL says plays over 20 yards is considered a big play though.

We allowed KC to gain just 3 more total yards rushing then their season average. I don't see anything really to be alarmed about.

Action
11-25-2012, 11:43 PM
To be fair, Prater missed 2 FGs which is a bit unusual.

pricejj
11-25-2012, 11:44 PM
wait, what?

Almost all of the Chiefs 3rd downs, they either had a passing play, or a false start, then a passing play. Not a recipe for success, with Quinn at the helm.

As you may remember from the Patriots game, they had about 50 first downs by rushing the ball, alone.

No one ever accused the Chiefs of being smart.

pricejj
11-25-2012, 11:46 PM
We allowed KC to gain just 3 more total yards rushing then their season average. I don't see anything really to be alarmed about.

If we give NE their season averages, we are ****ed. Eventually, you have to be able to shut down the run, when you know a team is going to run. If not, it will be a short post-season.

HAT
11-25-2012, 11:50 PM
Almost all of the Chiefs 3rd downs, they either had a passing play, or a false start, then a passing play. Not a recipe for success, with Quinn at the helm.

As you may remember from the Patriots game, they had about 50 first downs by rushing the ball, alone.

No one ever accused the Chiefs of being smart.

Pay attention crick-head....you said yards don't matter, points do....And then followed that up with "Denver allowed too many yards"

Wtf?

Action
11-25-2012, 11:53 PM
Almost all of the Chiefs 3rd downs, they either had a passing play, or a false start, then a passing play. Not a recipe for success, with Quinn at the helm.

As you may remember from the Patriots game, they had about 50 first downs by rushing the ball, alone.

No one ever accused the Chiefs of being smart.

Patriots game they were utilizing that 5 second hurry up we couldn't get adjusted to, I don't think that's a predicament of our rush defense as whole. You have to also remember, Keith Brooking is our MLB.

pricejj
11-25-2012, 11:54 PM
I would worry about scoring just 17 points if that was the norm for the season. But this is the first game Denver won all year WITHOUT scoring 30+. They did enough to get it done. Which is something playoff caliber/championship caliber teams do. I swear some people here lately would be upset if we win a playoff game 14-10.

Things need to be cleaned up, obviously, but the gloom and doom talk is just stupid at this point. This offense struggled, which is to be expected from time to time, even then they still managed to force the ball down the Chiefs throat with Moreno of all backs when it HAD to be done. The defense got gashed...but only allowed fieldgoals.

A win is a win.

:Broncos:

Good post, but like Senor Manning, I am always looking for improvement. Unfortunately, I didn't see any this game. The Broncos are striving to be the best, and aren't there yet. I hope they can get there.

It is a little worrisome, when the worst team in the NFL is blowing your entire Defense 5 yards off the ball, on their way to a possible winning TD late in the 4th quarter...only to be stymied by moronic penalties.

DBroncos4life
11-25-2012, 11:54 PM
If we give NE their season averages, we are ****ed. Eventually, you have to be able to shut down the run, when you know a team is going to run. If not, it will be a short post-season.

I don't give a **** about the Pats or what they do which is less then KC FYI.

Archer81
11-25-2012, 11:55 PM
KC was 3-14 on 3rd down. Am I missing the punchline there?


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
11-25-2012, 11:57 PM
KC was 3-14 on 3rd down. Am I missing the punchline there?


:Broncos:

Um he just said he didn't see any of the game, so I guess we are the punchline. Hilarious!

pricejj
11-25-2012, 11:58 PM
Pay attention crick-head....you said yards don't matter, points do....And then followed that up with "Denver allowed too many yards"

Wtf?

The Chiefs lost because Quinn sucks and they committed dumb penalties in crucial situations...not because the Defense stopped them. Don't fool yourself.

Saying the Broncos Defense is 4th is like saying the Patriots Defense is 27th...simply not true.

Archer81
11-26-2012, 12:00 AM
Good post, but like Senor Manning, I am always looking for improvement. Unfortunately, I didn't see any this game. The Broncos are striving to be the best, and aren't there yet. I hope they can get there.

It is a little worrisome, when the worst team in the NFL is blowing your entire Defense 5 yards off the ball, on their way to a possible winning TD late in the 4th quarter...only to be stymied by moronic penalties.


I think you are taking a one game sample and overstating what it means. Denver never plays well in KC. Its a division game, records rarely mean anything in these type of situations, and in effect this was KC's superbowl.

Denver won, even with the offense and defense being out of sync. KC had to play a flawless game to win, and they did not do it. Denver played well enough to get a win.

On to TB.

:Broncos:

CEH
11-26-2012, 12:02 AM
Balt won in KC 9-6 earlier this year. Same Balt team that score a whopping 16 point oin 5 qtrs against SD and needed a 4th and 29 dump off miracle to win.

KC has QB issue but before Denver played them they avg 145 on the ground

How about HOU needing 14 in the 4th just to tie JAX a one win team

A hard fought win

NE is the only team that's beating the bottom feeders of the NFL handily

pricejj
11-26-2012, 12:05 AM
I don't give a **** about the Pats or what they do which is less then KC FYI.

I guarantee you the Broncos aren't bragging about how they are "4th in Offense", and "4th in Defense" right now.

...but go ahead and party it up, because they barely beat the worst team in the NFL.

I'll take a more reserved approach, acknowledge the weaknesses, and start focusing on Tampa Bay.

Archer81
11-26-2012, 12:06 AM
The Chiefs lost because Quinn sucks and they committed dumb penalties in crucial situations...not because the Defense stopped them. Don't fool yourself.

Saying the Broncos Defense is 4th is like saying the Patriots Defense is 27th...simply not true.


So the defense had no part in stopping KC on 3rd down? Then why were they not 14-14 on 3rd down? Oddly enough on alot of those 3rd down plays, some mystery of the universe kept stopping KC short...thank God for that, huh?


:Broncos:

Atwater His Ass
11-26-2012, 12:13 AM
KC did convert some 3rd and longs early in the game, which was mildly alarming.

I would say overall that coming out of KC with a W and no injuries is the best possible outcome. Rivarly games on the road are difficult no matter the situation. I wouldn't say I'm happy with the performance, but I'll take the win and watch this team continue to grow and do the things it takes to win games. The drive at the end of the game to seal it was fantastic.

LongDongJohnson
11-26-2012, 12:14 AM
KC has been a good rushing team for years. They have a good system in place. I didnt expect to shut down their running. No one really does.

CEH
11-26-2012, 12:16 AM
I guarantee you the Broncos aren't bragging about how they are "4th in Offense", and "4th in Defense" right now.

...but go ahead and party it up, because they barely beat the worst team in the NFL.

I'll take a more reserved approach, acknowledge the weaknesses, and start focusing on Tampa Bay.

Switch to points and we are right there with HOU in both offense and defense
so yes this thread has merit

So where do you rank Houston? THey barley beat a one win JAX team

Balt barely beat this KC team

Might as well give NE the AFC correct

The point is and will be Denver is a balanced team. You can't be great at everything but a top 5 in point differentail at about 9 ppg.

I'll take that all day

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 12:18 AM
I guarantee you the Broncos aren't bragging about how they are "4th in Offense", and "4th in Defense" right now.

...but go ahead and party it up, because they barely beat the worst team in the NFL.

I'll take a more reserved approach, acknowledge the weaknesses, and start focusing on Tampa Bay.

You go ahead and coach yourself up for next weeks game. Lord knows we are going to need you to be on your A game to win that one.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-26-2012, 12:51 AM
i wonder if kc had guts to go for it on 4th and inches or 3rd and short with their best weapon the run would they be 1-10.
we are 8-3 because we use our best weapons manning ,receivers our defense.
kc had like 4th and inches the run been working .
they needed a win badly the coaches needed a win badly to even keep a glimmer of hope of being employed, but yet they was scared to take a chance.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 12:53 AM
So the defense had no part in stopping KC on 3rd down? Then why were they not 14-14 on 3rd down? Oddly enough on alot of those 3rd down plays, some mystery of the universe kept stopping KC short...thank God for that, huh?


:Broncos:

No mystery, Quinn's sucktitude led to their failure, as I pointed out in previous posts.

Switch to points and we are right there with HOU in both offense and defense
so yes this thread has merit

So where do you rank Houston? THey barley beat a one win JAX team

Balt barely beat this KC team

Might as well give NE the AFC correct

The point is and will be Denver is a balanced team. You can't be great at everything but a top 5 in point differentail at about 9 ppg.

I'll take that all day

I put Houston as the #1 seed in the AFC, with homefield advantage throughout the playoffs, right now, although things could obviously change. I put the Broncos as the 4th seed, and probably having to go to Houston and New England just to get to the Superbowl. To go on the road in the playoffs and win, we have a lot to improve upon, as any Bronco will tell you.


You go ahead and coach yourself up for next weeks game. Lord knows we are going to need you to be on your A game to win that one.

Knowshon's performance has to encourage Manning. At least it's a ground game he can work with going forward.

It looks like JDR is going to keep running with Brooking at starting MLB, while rotating Trevathan and DJ in situational packages. Not sure if that's the best plan, but it's a plan. See how it holds up against Tampa Bay.

Jetmeck
11-26-2012, 01:15 AM
Um he just said he didn't see any of the game, so I guess we are the punchline. Hilarious!


Dude your a joke to begin with.

As for the rest of you.....point is that bad team should have been rolled easily and they ran over and over and over again. We knew it was coming and they had a patchwork O-line.


WTF guys are you blind ?

Atwater His Ass
11-26-2012, 03:27 AM
Dude your a joke to begin with.

As for the rest of you.....point is that bad team should have been rolled easily and they ran over and over and over again. We knew it was coming and they had a patchwork O-line.


WTF guys are you blind ?

lolwut?

Bacchus
11-26-2012, 06:13 AM
I just realized that ass in your pic is the one jets locker room was harassing?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dZRB0NJk0VQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

yeah that is her.

She is a blackbelt as well, I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U43aaU5xn4&list=LP3rRS2iyS2Zk&index=3&feature=plcp

Bacchus
11-26-2012, 06:23 AM
Dude your a joke to begin with.

As for the rest of you.....point is that bad team should have been rolled easily and they ran over and over and over again. We knew it was coming and they had a patchwork O-line.


WTF guys are you blind ?

KC is a great rushing team they average 154 YPG. Denver held them to 9 points and under their average. chill........

spiralism
11-26-2012, 06:33 AM
More importantly we're 3rd in points and 8th in points allowed. They're the real stats. I think its ridiculous that offensive and defensive total rankings are based on yards, it's like basing soccer on possession. Both don't necessarily tie in with high scoring.

g6matty
11-26-2012, 06:42 AM
everyone keeps saying if they had a different qb we would have lost.

if they had a different Q they would have a different game plan which would resulted in more sax for von doom ^^^^^

JCMElway
11-26-2012, 06:54 AM
Go back and look at our record in Arrowhead everybody. We NEVER play well there. If we do get a win, it is hard fought and ugly.

I do not care what the win looks or feels like. We got a 'W' in KC. Good enough for me.

Now we have a tough opponent coming into Mile High. LET'S DO THIS!!

lonestar
11-26-2012, 07:15 AM
KC is a great rushing team they average 154 YPG. Denver held them to 9 points and under their average. chill........
:thumbs:
He is an angry, foul mouthed loony. Chilling is not going happen.

lonestar
11-26-2012, 07:17 AM
Go back and look at our record in Arrowhead everybody. We NEVER play well there. If we do get a win, it is hard fought and ugly.

I do not care what the win looks or feels like. We got a 'W' in KC. Good enough for me.

Now we have a tough opponent coming into Mile High. LET'S DO THIS!!

Add to that KC will be there last game. Still there will be loads of folks that think it should be a breezer since they will still have the worst record in the NFL.

Beantown Bronco
11-26-2012, 07:19 AM
More importantly we're 3rd in points and 8th in points allowed. They're the real stats. I think its ridiculous that offensive and defensive total rankings are based on yards, it's like basing soccer on possession. Both don't necessarily tie in with high scoring.

Scoring is just as tainted a stat, especially for a team like the Broncos this year that turns the ball over a lot and puts our defense in some bad positions. It's not their fault if they give up points when the opposing team starts a drive in field goal range.

DENVERDUI55
11-26-2012, 07:34 AM
I guarantee you the Broncos aren't bragging about how they are "4th in Offense", and "4th in Defense" right now.

...but go ahead and party it up, because they barely beat the worst team in the NFL.

I'll take a more reserved approach, acknowledge the weaknesses, and start focusing on Tampa Bay.

If we had Crick the rest of the league would be screwed.

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2012, 07:37 AM
Scoring is just as tainted a stat, especially for a team like the Broncos this year that turns the ball over a lot and puts our defense in some bad positions. It's not their fault if they give up points when the opposing team starts a drive in field goal range.

Then again that same situation would make yards an inadequate gauge. Defense could be a sieve, but if you keep spotting the other team the ball in their red zone, there's not a lot of yardage to give up.

Scoring as a stat isn't perfect, but it's the purest, since it's the only one that matters in the end.

CEH
11-26-2012, 07:40 AM
Then again that same situation would make yards an inadequate gauge. Defense could be a sieve, but if you keep spotting the other team the ball in their red zone, there's not a lot of yardage to give up.

Scoring as a stat isn't perfect, but it's the purest, since it's the only one that matters in the end.

I agree. Shanny had this false notion that you put up 400 yards you should score 25 point or whatever the metric was he used

He was always hiding behind yards as to how efficent his offenses were even though the end result was a FG instead of a TD

What is Denver's red zone effiency would be another good stats both offensively and defensively. Doesn't matter how they got to the red zone what does the offense or defens do once there

Beantown Bronco
11-26-2012, 07:40 AM
I guarantee you the Broncos aren't bragging about how they are "4th in Offense", and "4th in Defense" right now.

...but go ahead and party it up, because they barely beat the worst team in the NFL.

I'll take a more reserved approach, acknowledge the weaknesses, and start focusing on Tampa Bay.

That's great......if you are a member of the Denver Broncos.

If you are simply a fan, like everyone here, then we can "party it up" after another key road divisional win.....no matter how "ugly".

This was our 6th win in a row BTW and that deserves celebrating. You could at least try to enjoy our 8-3 record for the next few days. But I know that's not what you're about. You were waiting for a game like this. Bringing the fans down is where you derive the most pleasure.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-26-2012, 07:41 AM
I guarantee you the Broncos aren't bragging about how they are "4th in Offense", and "4th in Defense" right now.

...but go ahead and party it up, because they barely beat the worst team in the NFL.

I'll take a more reserved approach, acknowledge the weaknesses, and start focusing on Tampa Bay.

Thank God we have you here to keep the team focused from your post behind your computer on the internet. The team and its fans are grateful to have you keep focus on Tampa instead of "partying it up" like they were sure to do without your words of wisdom.

Beantown Bronco
11-26-2012, 07:42 AM
Then again that same situation would make yards an inadequate gauge.

Which is why I very specifically said "just as tainted".....not more or less tainted. The person I was responding to said that scoring was "the real stat". I was simply disputing that.

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2012, 07:43 AM
Which is why I very specifically said "just as tainted".....not more or less tainted. The person I was responding to said that scoring was "the real stat". I was simply disputing that.

So what you're saying is just watch the game. :)

CEH
11-26-2012, 07:44 AM
That's great......if you are a member of the Denver Broncos.

If you are simply a fan, like everyone here, then we can "party it up" after another key road divisional win.....no matter how "ugly".

This was our 6th win in a row BTW and that deserves celebrating. You could at least try to enjoy our 8-3 record for the next few days. But I know that's not what you're about. You were waiting for a game like this. Bringing the fans down is where you derive the most pleasure.

I agree with this 100%. A road win in Nov against the Chiefs is always a good thing no matter if Denver was 8-3 or 3-8

Enjoy the ride. Last year we could barely muster 20 points for a win this year if we don't put up 30 we suck not to mention all the other top AFC teams laying some kind of egg along the way as well.

In today's NFL the teams are so close it's really about putting together wins moreso than style of win

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-26-2012, 08:00 AM
Pricejj is usually positive. Could it be they just overlooked this week entirely and have been preparing for TB? This wasn't the first time a good team played a horrible one and it was close.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 08:03 AM
If we had Crick the rest of the league would be screwed.

I would rather have him than Omar Bolden or Philip Blake...even though he pretty much dropped off my draft board after the combine for multiple reasons. Funny how you fail to mention that. He'll be a good player in the NFL...already playing better than Ayers. However, Wolfe was my pick at DT, which is well documented.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 08:05 AM
Pricejj is usually positive. Could it be they just overlooked this week entirely and have been preparing for TB? This wasn't the first time a good team played a horrible one and it was close.

Deadline at work...so I'm crabby. Just don't like the feeling of complacency after winning 5 in a row.

baja
11-26-2012, 08:16 AM
Go back and look at our record in Arrowhead everybody. We NEVER play well there. If we do get a win, it is hard fought and ugly.

I do not care what the win looks or feels like. We got a 'W' in KC. Good enough for me.

Now we have a tough opponent coming into Mile High. LET'S DO THIS!!

Good post JCMElway


See now this is the way this board was for years. Posts that are knowledgeable, reasonable, insightful, appreciative and preceptive in what needs improvement followed by good discussion.


Today it's wah wah wah We didn't beat them pretty enough. This new batch of posters are a sorry bunch.

baja
11-26-2012, 08:22 AM
That's great......if you are a member of the Denver Broncos.

If you are simply a fan, like everyone here, then we can "party it up" after another key road divisional win.....no matter how "ugly".

This was our 6th win in a row BTW and that deserves celebrating. You could at least try to enjoy our 8-3 record for the next few days. But I know that's not what you're about. You were waiting for a game like this. Bringing the fans down is where you derive the most pleasure.

That's what I'm sayin.....

Must suck to be pricejj

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 08:23 AM
We're actually ranked third in scoring, which is better than I thought we'd be. Scoring offense is all anyone should care about. And we're eighth in scoring defense.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-26-2012, 08:28 AM
Today it's wah wah wah We didn't beat them pretty enough. This new batch of posters are a sorry bunch.


It seems like just yesterday fans were hoping for just one win. Praying to go 8-8. Fast forward to today and its like a win isn't appreciated enough.

baja
11-26-2012, 08:28 AM
I agree with this 100%. A road win in Nov against the Chiefs is always a good thing no matter if Denver was 8-3 or 3-8

Enjoy the ride. Last year we could barely muster 20 points for a win this year if we don't put up 30 we suck not to mention all the other top AFC teams laying some kind of egg along the way as well.

In today's NFL the teams are so close it's really about putting together wins moreso than style of win

Some of these guys will only be happy with a Super Bowl win than in a few weeks they will be back to whining and bitching about the draft picks Denver made.

Only being satisfied one day every decade or so is not my idea of how to enjoy your favorite football team.

Chris
11-26-2012, 08:40 AM
Quinn completed 13 of 25 for 125 yards Yes that's right 13 passes. I'd say we did our job on Defense with not much chance for sacks

Quinn is always skittish and gets out the quick pass. It doesn't mean he does much with his passes.

2KBack
11-26-2012, 08:44 AM
This game was not really that close.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 08:46 AM
Recapping 6 in a row:

1. Epic Monday night comeback win against the Chargers was awesome.
2. Win after the bye week against the Saints was the best the Broncos have played in several years.
3. Win against the Bengals, showed that we could beat playoff teams.
4. Domination of the Panthers was satisfying on many levels.
5. Home victory against the Chargers was close, but great to sweep, and essentially lock-up the AFC West.
6. Road win at Arrowhead feels good, but shows the Broncos have a lot to improve upon.

I've been elated after all of the wins Baja...just a little guarded this time. Just like JDR, I was hoping the nickle Defense would be able to stop the run, because it's what we will need in the playoffs. The ease at which the Chiefs carved it up is disconcerting. The drops aren't going away either, which you would expect to happen this far into the season.

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 08:47 AM
I've always thought close hard fought games like this show more then huge blowouts anyways. Sure it's fun to rape teams like the Pats do by running up the score. Still they are just hiding flaws that aren't really being worked on. Like a heavyweight boxer being force to go rounds he has never fought before, unlike us who go deep into fights to win.

HILife
11-26-2012, 09:02 AM
Hard not to come out statistically better against the lowly Chiefs...

...and another thing, yards don't matter, points do.


1. The Defense gave up way too many easy rushing yards reminiscent of the Patriots game (mostly directly at Dumervil and Woodyard).
2. If we aren't playing against Brady Quinn...we probably get rolled.
3. Way too many drops, which is our primary drive killer.

Wow. Some people just aren't satisfied with a win.

baja
11-26-2012, 09:06 AM
Recapping 6 in a row:

1. Epic Monday night comeback win against the Chargers was awesome.
2. Win after the bye week against the Saints was the best the Broncos have played in several years.
3. Win against the Bengals, showed that we could beat playoff teams.
4. Domination of the Panthers was satisfying on many levels.
5. Home victory against the Chargers was close, but great to sweep, and essentially lock-up the AFC West.
6. Road win at Arrowhead feels good, but shows the Broncos have a lot to improve upon.

I've been elated after all of the wins Baja...just a little guarded this time. Just like JDR, I was hoping the nickle Defense would be able to stop the run, because it's what we will need in the playoffs. The ease at which the Chiefs carved it up is disconcerting. The drops aren't going away either, which you would expect to happen this far into the season.


This is true and I am glad this was made apparent against the Chiefs. The Broncos will learn from this game.

Like I said in another thread;

We won / had no injuries and GOT A GREAT AND TIMELY LESSON.

HILife
11-26-2012, 09:09 AM
Recapping 6 in a row:

1. Epic Monday night comeback win against the Chargers was awesome.
2. Win after the bye week against the Saints was the best the Broncos have played in several years.
3. Win against the Bengals, showed that we could beat playoff teams.
4. Domination of the Panthers was satisfying on many levels.
5. Home victory against the Chargers was close, but great to sweep, and essentially lock-up the AFC West.
6. Road win at Arrowhead feels good, but shows the Broncos have a lot to improve upon.

I've been elated after all of the wins Baja...just a little guarded this time. Just like JDR, I was hoping the nickle Defense would be able to stop the run, because it's what we will need in the playoffs. The ease at which the Chiefs carved it up is disconcerting. The drops aren't going away either, which you would expect to happen this far into the season.

You know if Broncos win one more, or Chargers lose one more, then Denver mathematically locks up the division.

lonestar
11-26-2012, 09:15 AM
it is starting to be the home stretch when you are getting better each week and hoping to peak at the Superbowl..

seems we have plateaued a bit..

while some are tight jawed about drops of passes they happen, just need to be less each week..

I was really hoping that our run D would have been better. but then the kid is something special.. speed to burn..

I do not remember if the kid from TB is all that fast just a strong runner.. mainly up the middle IIRC so that could be a plus for the big guys in the DL..

But I had TPA as a win earlier in the year (not looking like that is a sure thing anymore) and the crows as a loss..

We need some help from the folks left on BAL schedule.. I would love to have a bye week to heal up a bit.. maybe even get Ma Gahee back for it..

CEH
11-26-2012, 09:28 AM
I'd venture to guess if we can't get to #2 then stay at #4 and go to HOU where Manning has played alot with better weather

Denver just doesn't play well in Foxboro

so I'm not sure how important this game in BALT will be after they got bye on a wing and a prayer and a dump off to Rice yesterday

Crushaholic
11-26-2012, 09:32 AM
Everyone, outside of Woodyard, had a bad day. We WERE lucky to win. The Chiefs shot themselves in the foot with penalties and bad throwing plays. The bottom line is that we won, but it's a much-needed lesson about avoiding complaceny. We are one win away from locking up the AFC West title. Let's get it...:thumbs:

Beantown Bronco
11-26-2012, 09:34 AM
I'd venture to guess if we can't get to #2 then stay at #4 and go to HOU where Manning has played alot with better weather

Denver just doesn't play well in Foxboro

so I'm not sure how important this game in BALT will be after they got bye on a wing and a prayer and a dump off to Rice yesterday

With the way Houston has been playing and the way NE has been playing, I wouldn't be surprised if they swap spots after their meeting and we'll be wishing for that #3 seed. The next two weeks will tell us a lot.

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2012, 09:42 AM
Just think back a week or two. I remember commenting on Buffalo driving to try to tie the Pats late in the game because CBS switched the Broncos game off when they were beating the holy living **** out of the Panthers.

That right there says it all.

CEH
11-26-2012, 09:46 AM
With the way Houston has been playing and the way NE has been playing, I wouldn't be surprised if they swap spots after their meeting and we'll be wishing for that #3 seed. The next two weeks will tell us a lot.

Yes I could see that scenerio as well. Denver just needs to avoid Foxboro for all long as possible

I think HOU knows they did not see the current version of Manning and would have more reservations f playing Manning than say BB would have

pricejj
11-26-2012, 09:51 AM
You know if Broncos win one more, or Chargers lose one more, then Denver mathematically locks up the division.

Not satisfied with that. We need to at least make it to the AFCCG...and hoping for a Superbowl.

If we lose to New England in the playoffs again and lose in the 2nd round...I will consider this year a failure.

This could be our best chance to win the SB for the foreseeable future. It's all systems go, and weaknesses need to be cleared up before the playoffs...otherwise, they WILL be exploited.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-26-2012, 09:53 AM
Not satisfied with that. We need to at least make it to the AFCCG...and hoping for a Superbowl.

If we lose to New England in the playoffs again and/or lose in the 2nd round...I will consider this year a failure.

This could be our best chance to win the SB for the foreseeable future. It's all systems go, and weaknesses need to be cleared up before the playoffs...otherwise, they WILL be exploited.

What makes you so sure they face the patriots? Champ game is the only way I see them meeting. And I don't see the patriots beating Houston or Baltimore.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 09:59 AM
What makes you so sure they face the patriots? Champ game is the only way I see them meeting. And I don't see the patriots beating Houston or Baltimore.

1. I would not be satisfied if the Broncos lose before the AFCCG. That would indicate ZERO progress from last year.
2. I would not be satisfied losing to the Patriots in the AFCCG. Basically everything we did in the offseason was to beat the Patriots.
3. I would be somewhat satisfied if the Broncos get to the AFCCG and lose to Houston or Baltimore, although I think we should be able to beat both of those teams. We could say "one more offseason" will put us over the top.
4. I would be very satisfied if the Broncos made it to the Superbowl.
5. If the Broncos win the Superbowl my life will be complete.

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2012, 10:00 AM
What makes you so sure they face the patriots? Champ game is the only way I see them meeting. And I don't see the patriots beating Houston or Baltimore.

He didn't say they would. He said IF they did and we lose to them (again), we failed. Hard to argue with that.

baja
11-26-2012, 10:12 AM
Now might be a good time for everyone to go back and see how many wins you predicted for the Broncos this season.

I'd bump the thread but I can't find it.

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 10:16 AM
Not satisfied with that. We need to at least make it to the AFCCG...and hoping for a Superbowl.

If we lose to New England in the playoffs again and lose in the 2nd round...I will consider this year a failure.

This could be our best chance to win the SB for the foreseeable future. It's all systems go, and weaknesses need to be cleared up before the playoffs...otherwise, they WILL be exploited.

A failure? Good ****ing god. Our window is clearly longer then 2 or 3 years with they way Manning is progressing like we originally thought.

I like how you think the first year of Manning being here is our BEST chance to win the SB. Elway will be bringing in even more talent next year now that he knows how good this team really is.

CEH
11-26-2012, 10:17 AM
Winning in Foxboro is not a given with any team (in the NFL) heading into Foxboro. Having a good shot to win is what Elway wants. Getting blown out 45-10 is not a good shot. I'm confident if we don;t turn the ball over we will not lose 45-10 and be in the game till the end

Winning the AFCW by week 12 and probably 6-0 in the division is improvement in my eyes.

Being top 10 on both sides of the ball with whatever metric you pick is a damn good start

I'd expect to win any playoff game this year so losing will be hard to take but I will not say you must do this or you must do that in say this team is not better than last year

It is the best team we've had since '98

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2012, 10:37 AM
A failure? Good ****ing god. Our window is clearly longer then 2 or 3 years with they way Manning is progressing like we originally thought.

I like how you think the first year of Manning being here is our BEST chance to win the SB. Elway will be bringing in even more talent next year now that he knows how good this team really is.

Sorry, but you just can't have a 5-year plan that includes having an effective 40 year old QB producing title-quality football. Possible? Sure. That would be awesome. Likely though? Not really.

Having seen him play, I like our chances for 3 good years. But that still amplifies the importance of each of those years. Another year of "Well we just don't match up well with the Pats," is going to be disappointing, no matter how you cut it.

We may match up better against BAL or HOU. But that was possibly the case last year as well.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 10:38 AM
A failure? Good ****ing god. Our window is clearly longer then 2 or 3 years with they way Manning is progressing like we originally thought.

I like how you think the first year of Manning being here is our BEST chance to win the SB. Elway will be bringing in even more talent next year now that he knows how good this team really is.

It COULD be our best chance. The future with Manning is not guaranteed. Who knows what happens next year. The most significant injuries we've had this year are McGahee and Warren. I like Wolfe in place of Warren, and Moreno seems to be a godsend at this point.

This team would fall flat on it's face if either Miller, DT, Clady, or Manning was injured.

broncocalijohn
11-26-2012, 10:39 AM
The rankings go by yardage. Denver had what 400 yards total offense and the defense really did a number on Quinn as far as yardage.

rankings go by yardage? Oh, Cutler approves of this.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 10:44 AM
I think the Broncos Superbowl chances are predicated on the success of stopping the run in a Nickel formation, when the Offense has a single-back set.

Baltimore, Houston, and the Pats will ALL try to run out of that formation EXTENSIVELY. The Broncos pass Defense is seriously compromised when placing Miller as an LB instead of a DE...or by playing 3 LB's (instead of an extra DB).

The Chiefs just showed how easy it is to destroy the Broncos Nickel Defense out of a single-back set...not good.

enjolras
11-26-2012, 10:47 AM
What makes you so sure they face the patriots? Champ game is the only way I see them meeting. And I don't see the patriots beating Houston or Baltimore.

We win out and the Patriots win out we meet in the divisional round (they'd have the second seed, we'd have the third). We win out and Baltimore loses one additional game we very likely face them in the divisional round, this time in Denver.

Right now it's probably about a 50% chance we face them in the Divisional Round (assuming higher seeds make it through the wildcard round).

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 10:53 AM
It COULD be our best chance. The future with Manning is not guaranteed. Who knows what happens next year. The most significant injuries we've had this year are McGahee and Warren. I like Wolfe in place of Warren, and Moreno seems to be a godsend at this point.

This team would fall flat on it's face if either Miller, DT, Clady, or Manning was injured.

And we COULD sign Welker and draft the DROY and the OROY the year next year and be a loaded team.

Honestly would you be more patient with the team if we didn't have this success that they had right off the bat with Manning? Lets say we're sitting at 6-5 then would you be claiming a trip to the second round of the playoffs is a failure? Just when did it become SB or bust with you?

Sorry man this team is still a work in progress regardless of faster success then even the biggest homers could have expected. Slow down and enjoy the ride and know that Elway has got this. :thumbs:

Cito Pelon
11-26-2012, 11:00 AM
Have you watched the Ravens play this year? The Raven D isn't very good and KC's is a lot better. KC has good defense.

KC's D played pretty well, pts-wise. After those two long KO returns, they held Denver scoreless (two missed FG's, one from 47 I think, then from 33). Only allowed 7 pts in the first half, but those 7 pts came on a long drive to end the half, TD pass with 18 seconds left I think. That had to hurt, especially after consecutive goal-to-go FG's on KC's opening two drives. That Hillis pass was just well hell, don't know what negative superlative describes that.

Their D forced the 3-n-out from the 2-yd line late in the game, but then couldn't get the ST play or the O capitalizing on it. They were still within 5 pts at 14-9 with something like 6:35 left in the game, but Knowmo and the O ran out the clock and got the final 3.

Giving up only 7 pts in the 2nd half til the final drive is a good way to win unless of course your O only scores 3 in the 2nd half.

KC settling for two FG's on their opening drives really killed them, especially being at the 2 once, then at the 6 on the other. Romeo was furious at that Daboll OC.

Beantown Bronco
11-26-2012, 11:04 AM
We win out and the Patriots win out we meet in the divisional round (they'd have the second seed, we'd have the third).

That's not necessarily true. In that scenario, all the Texans have to do is lose one other game on their schedule for THEM to be the #2 and NE to get the #1 seed. And, given their upcoming schedule, 1 or even 2 other losses is actually quite possible.

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2012, 11:06 AM
And we COULD sign Welker and draft the DROY and the OROY the year next year and be a loaded team.

Honestly would you be more patient with the team if we didn't have this success that they had right off the bat with Manning? Lets say we're sitting at 6-5 then would you be claiming a trip to the second round of the playoffs is a failure? Just when did it become SB or bust with you?

Sorry man this team is still a work in progress regardless of faster success then even the biggest homers could have expected. Slow down and enjoy the ride and know that Elway has got this. :thumbs:

The "If we can't beat the Pats, what's the point?" thing goes all the way back to the PMFM signing last March. I think the general consensus among almost everyone was that we'd be a playoff team. It's what comes after that matters.

I don't think expectations have changed much at all, other than the most hardcore on either side trying to play expectations either up or down depending on which side they were on back in March.

lonestar
11-26-2012, 11:17 AM
Sorry, but you just can't have a 5-year plan that includes having an effective 40 year old QB producing title-quality football. Possible? Sure. That would be awesome. Likely though? Not really.

Having seen him play, I like our chances for 3 good years. But that still amplifies the importance of each of those years. Another year of "Well we just don't match up well with the Pats," is going to be disappointing, no matter how you cut it.

We may match up better against BAL or HOU. But that was possibly the case last year as well.

I love how some are whining if we do not win it all in the second year of the 3 year plan.. or Five year depending on who you talk to..

we have played infinitely better this year so far than we have in over a decade..

still does not mean an instant superbowl berth..

I still think we are a couple of years away from it myself.. loads of youngins playing on this team with a few old I repeat OLD vets..

pricejj
11-26-2012, 11:20 AM
And we COULD sign Welker and draft the DROY and the OROY the year next year and be a loaded team.

Honestly would you be more patient with the team if we didn't have this success that they had right off the bat with Manning? Lets say we're sitting at 6-5 then would you be claiming a trip to the second round of the playoffs is a failure? Just when did it become SB or bust with you?

Sorry man this team is still a work in progress regardless of faster success then even the biggest homers could have expected. Slow down and enjoy the ride and know that Elway has got this. :thumbs:

The Broncos don't have the $ to invest like you think they do. It's going to be hard enough resigning Clady. Welker is out of the question.

Dude, we're freaking loaded this year. I'm not sure you can name a player that would start for us who will be available in the bottom of the 1st round other than Tayvon Austin (he would likely split time with Stokley). Perhaps Alec Ogletree, if they want to cut DJ's contract.

Don't get me wrong...I'm happy. But the Defense must figure out how to stop the run in the Nickel formation, doing so would stop the Pats. At least JDR recognizes that, and is why he stuck with that Defense during the Chiefs game.

baja
11-26-2012, 11:20 AM
I don't know about you guys but I am enjoying the hell out of this season. Hell I'm an older guy who has followed the Broncos for many years and this season is right up there in the joy level.

Chris
11-26-2012, 11:21 AM
I think next year is our best chance. Our young guys will come even more into their own and we could have two or three rookie contributions that shore up our weaknesses.

mwill07
11-26-2012, 11:33 AM
By my count, KC had 15 3rd down attempts. They were able to convert four of them, nearly all early in the game. After 10:00 left in the 2nd quarter, the only 3rd down conversion was the WW penalty.

Included in these 3rd down plays, there were 4 KC penalties, two sacks, 7 incomplete passes, and three passes completed but short of the sticks (Champ Bailey on all three tackles, BTW).

This was a result of KC needing 3rd and long most of the time. When ever they did seem to have 3rd and short, they shot themselves in the foot with penalties - allegedly as a result of our D shouting fake cadences. On average, KC needed 7 yards to convert their 3rd downs. KC converted only one 3rd down > 4 yards.

That's why QB play is so important. On average, 3rd and 7 isn't an insurmountable obstacle for a Manning offense, but it seems to be for a Quinn offense. When you can't convert 3rd downs, you kick field goals, and that's what happened to KC.

Cito Pelon
11-26-2012, 11:37 AM
A failure? Good ****ing god. Our window is clearly longer then 2 or 3 years with they way Manning is progressing like we originally thought.

I like how you think the first year of Manning being here is our BEST chance to win the SB. Elway will be bringing in even more talent next year now that he knows how good this team really is.

I'll get happy when it happens. I've had the optimism bitch-slapped out of me too often since 1998.

Cito Pelon
11-26-2012, 11:40 AM
The Broncos don't have the $ to invest like you think they do. It's going to be hard enough resigning Clady. Welker is out of the question.

Dude, we're freaking loaded this year. I'm not sure you can name a player that would start for us who will be available in the bottom of the 1st round other than Tayvon Austin (he would likely split time with Stokley). Perhaps Alec Ogletree, if they want to cut DJ's contract.

Don't get me wrong...I'm happy. But the Defense must figure out how to stop the run in the Nickel formation, doing so would stop the Pats. At least JDR recognizes that, and is why he stuck with that Defense during the Chiefs game.

That's a good point.

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 12:07 PM
The Broncos don't have the $ to invest like you think they do. It's going to be hard enough resigning Clady. Welker is out of the question.

Dude, we're freaking loaded this year. I'm not sure you can name a player that would start for us who will be available in the bottom of the 1st round other than Tayvon Austin (he would likely split time with Stokley). Perhaps Alec Ogletree, if they want to cut DJ's contract.

Don't get me wrong...I'm happy. But the Defense must figure out how to stop the run in the Nickel formation, doing so would stop the Pats. At least JDR recognizes that, and is why he stuck with that Defense during the Chiefs game.

You're a cap guru too? Man you are busy.

BroncoBeavis
11-26-2012, 01:22 PM
We win out and the Patriots win out we meet in the divisional round (they'd have the second seed, we'd have the third). We win out and Baltimore loses one additional game we very likely face them in the divisional round, this time in Denver.

Right now it's probably about a 50% chance we face them in the Divisional Round (assuming higher seeds make it through the wildcard round).

My bold prediction... if we win out, we win the #2 seed. :)

pricejj
11-26-2012, 01:58 PM
You're a cap guru too? Man you are busy.

Yes, cap guru, super you-tube scout, memorizer of stats, and currently in the running for Orangemane GM of they year (2012).

I won the Broncos Superbowl trivia contest for my entire school (270 students) when I was in 6th grade. That was the year we were blown out by the 49ers.

Pretty much, don't **** with me.

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 02:03 PM
Yes, cap guru, super you-tube scout, memorizer of stats, and currently in the running for Orangemane GM of they year (2012).

I won the Broncos Superbowl trivia contest for my entire school (270 students) when I was in 6th grade. That was the year we were blown out by the 49ers.

Pretty much, don't **** with me.

so what is our cap number exactly?

Crushaholic
11-26-2012, 02:26 PM
rankings go by yardage? Oh, Cutler approves of this.

So does Orton...

pricejj
11-26-2012, 02:34 PM
so what is our cap number exactly?

Not sure. I have no idea how the "rollover" affects next year, but we have about $119M in active contracts right now. Dumervil's contract goes down a couple million. Tracy Porter and Ty Warren will probably be gone, but we still have to resign Clady, Tony Carter, Dan Koppen?, and Kevin Vickerson to significantly more than they are making this year. That pretty much eats up most all the remaining cap space.

By my calculations, they'll probably approach Knowshon and D.J. about restructuring to get enough money to get a FA RB and a penetrating DT (though I think getting a penetrating DT is unlikely, and they are probably happy with Big Vick and Bannan). Other than that, the Broncos don't have any needs that they can't fill in the draft.

Beantown Bronco
11-26-2012, 02:39 PM
Not sure. I have no idea

probably should've just stopped there

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 02:44 PM
probably should've just stopped there
It's when I stopped reading.

pricejj
11-26-2012, 02:45 PM
probably should've just stopped there

Probably shouldn't have posted, unless you had something to add.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-26-2012, 03:47 PM
By my count, KC had 15 3rd down attempts. They were able to convert four of them, nearly all early in the game. After 10:00 left in the 2nd quarter, the only 3rd down conversion was the WW penalty.

Included in these 3rd down plays, there were 4 KC penalties, two sacks, 7 incomplete passes, and three passes completed but short of the sticks (Champ Bailey on all three tackles, BTW).

This was a result of KC needing 3rd and long most of the time. When ever they did seem to have 3rd and short, they shot themselves in the foot with penalties - allegedly as a result of our D shouting fake cadences. On average, KC needed 7 yards to convert their 3rd downs. KC converted only one 3rd down > 4 yards.

That's why QB play is so important. On average, 3rd and 7 isn't an insurmountable obstacle for a Manning offense, but it seems to be for a Quinn offense. When you can't convert 3rd downs, you kick field goals, and that's what happened to KC.

:rofl: way to go defense allegedly of course