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Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 02:11 PM
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SoCalBronco
11-25-2012, 02:13 PM
Good game, Bob. Chiefs played hard and played well.

SoCalBronco
11-25-2012, 02:13 PM
Good game, Bob. Chiefs played hard and played well.

Requiem
11-25-2012, 02:14 PM
Steelers had 7 fumbles and 3 INTs today, Bob.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Steelers had 7 fumbles and 3 INTs today, Bob.

Destiny.

Punisher
11-25-2012, 02:28 PM
Hats off to the K.C defense and J.C you guys are a QB away from a good team. Hang in there Bob don't buy that Von Miller jersey just yet. But here's the website if you want to jump ship http://www.nflshop.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2237430&002=2309643&004=2335784774&005=14740224670&006=13924523414&007=Search&008=&utm_content=C9emrSnS&gclid=CNnDueqH67MCFcuZ4AodICMAvg

RedskinBronco
11-25-2012, 02:28 PM
No problem boob, it won't matter. You guys won't draft anyone relevant...

LongDongJohnson
11-25-2012, 02:31 PM
Chefs will draft glen dorseys replacement.

Kaylore
11-25-2012, 02:36 PM
Chiefs could have won this game and not lost draft position.

bronco militia
11-25-2012, 02:39 PM
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Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 02:40 PM
Chiefs could have won this game and not lost draft position.

Who cares? We are in even better position with the loss. Now we have some breathing room.

SouthStndJunkie
11-25-2012, 02:42 PM
I wouldn't mind having Jamaal Charles in Denver.

Elway....get on the horn with Teets Pioli....offer Caleb Hanie, free Pap Johns for the rest of the season, a Buick Verano, and a thatch of Peyton Manning's ball hairs for Jamaal Charles.

Kaylore
11-25-2012, 02:55 PM
Who cares? We are in even better position with the loss. Now we have some breathing room.

We didn't help you. Losing gained you nothing. This would have been a good game to beat us. You would have had bragging rights and it wouldn't have lost you any draft position. Really you just blew probably your last chance to win a game. At least when we picked second overall we finished with four wins and beat some decent teams.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 03:04 PM
We didn't help you. Losing gained you nothing.

Bull****. I've already explained how losing every game from here on out helps us.

We can now afford to beat the Browns in a few weeks, which we may just do.

SouthStndJunkie
11-25-2012, 03:08 PM
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Ugly late November game in Arrowhead....we've got da keys the last 2 years.

They still unlock the door....everyone come on in!

Come see the House that Pioli Kilt.

Brady Queen is giving free tours....of his ass.

Bacchus
11-25-2012, 03:10 PM
Congratulations on being a loser bob.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 03:19 PM
Being a loser is the only way to win it all.

SoCalBronco
11-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Bob is right here.....the Chiefs need to keep losing, thats the only way Pioli will be fired for certain.

canadianbroncosfan
11-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Bull****. I've already explained how losing every game from here on out helps us.

We can now afford to beat the Browns in a few weeks, which we may just do.

So you'd rather beat the Browns than the Broncos??

**** that is pathetic. I don't care how bad your team was, embarrassing an divisional rival that everyone has the hots for would have made you guys feel fantastic and don't say for a second it wouldn't of.

broncosteven
11-25-2012, 03:34 PM
Being a loser is the only way to win it all.

Not this year! You got 6 more games and 5 months and then you have to hope who ever your GM is hits on the right guy.

Plus you don't need just a QB, you got run on, gave up 2 long TD's and couldn't cover returns. kFc needs a full rebuild.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 03:37 PM
YOU CANNOT DEFEAT MY ENTHUSIASM FOR WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.

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Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 03:38 PM
So you'd rather beat the Browns than the Broncos??

**** that is pathetic. I don't care how bad your team was, embarrassing an divisional rival that everyone has the hots for would have made you guys feel fantastic and don't say for a second it wouldn't of.

I would rather beat the Broncos, but it wasn't going to happen anyway.

There's a decent chance we beat Cleveland.

I'd prefer to lose both, of course. But winning today would have sucked ass if we back into a win over Cleveland in a few weeks. That is my point.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 03:42 PM
Plus you don't need just a QB, you got run on, gave up 2 long TD's and couldn't cover returns. kFc needs a full rebuild.

All the more reason we need the highest pick in every round.

broncocalijohn
11-25-2012, 03:44 PM
NOt sure what you typed Boob but winning today had nothing to do with a favor for your crapola team. That was your superbowl (but you did win the coin toss!) and your draft position will find a way to be like JaMarcus Russell then Luck.
If you want your team to lose, you are better off doing something else on your Sundays.

broncocalijohn
11-25-2012, 03:45 PM
Congratulations on being a loser bob.

years of practice. When he does his Star Wars roll playing, he is always on the Dark Side for certain defeat.

Punisher
11-25-2012, 03:51 PM
YOU CANNOT DEFEAT MY ENTHUSIASM FOR WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/478129_482121921810724_1060939953_o.jpg

What the hell you expect to do with the 1st pick this year? The up coming draft sucks and Barkley isn't a NFL QB.

Bacchus
11-25-2012, 03:56 PM
What the hell you expect to do with the 1st pick this year? The up coming draft sucks and Barkley isn't a NFL QB.

bob wants the WV guy.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 04:06 PM
GENO SMITH WILL RAPE YOU ALL

Punisher
11-25-2012, 04:15 PM
GENO SMITH WILL RAPE YOU ALL

This Thread Sucks Boob time
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LongDongJohnson
11-25-2012, 04:26 PM
To bad the chefs chose to suck the wrong year. No Luck or RG3 for you.

broncosteven
11-25-2012, 04:28 PM
GENO SMITH WILL RAPE YOU ALL

Smith reminds me of a Vick/Young/Tebow type who will bust out of the league in 3-5 years, I hope you get your guy!

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 06:28 PM
Smith is nothing like any of those QBs.

He is a pocket passer with great accuracy.

SouthStndJunkie
11-25-2012, 07:06 PM
Before leaving the locker room and boarding the team bus back to the airport, Manning was asked if he's aware just how desperately he was wanted in Kansas City. He paused, choosing his words carefully.

"It's hard for me to think about that," he said. "I've had a pretty full plate all year, certainly with the transition, and once you get into the season, you're just kind of thinking about the next game."

SouthStndJunkie
11-25-2012, 07:07 PM
Peyton Manning had to let the ugly beefy girl (in this case Kansas City) down easy when she asked him to prom.

Peoples Champ
11-25-2012, 07:33 PM
All the more reason we need the highest pick in every round.


Chiefs will screw up another high pick, how many top 5 picks have they had in the last 10 years? I dont feel like looking it up but im sure you know of the top of your head.

FearLanier
11-25-2012, 08:16 PM
Smith reminds me of a Vick/Young/Tebow type who will bust out of the league in 3-5 years, I hope you get your guy!

You're comparing Geno to QB's who were known for their legs?

You couldn't be more wrong bud. Geno is a pure pocket passer who uses his legs in certain situations which is not that often.

Geno's arm is also better than those 3 QB's combined.

RedskinBronco
11-25-2012, 08:19 PM
You're comparing Geno to QB's who were known for their legs?

You couldn't be more wrong bud. Geno is a pure pocket passer who uses his legs in certain situations which is not that often.

Geno's arm is also better than those 3 QB's combined.

Have to disagree at least with Vick.

MV has one of the biggest arms in the league...

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 09:04 PM
Chiefs will screw up another high pick, how many top 5 picks have they had in the last 10 years? I dont feel like looking it up but im sure you know of the top of your head.

Clark will demand a QB.

It's over.

Our long run of irrelevance will end with Geno Smith.

SoCalBronco
11-25-2012, 09:35 PM
Sorry Bob, but Geno Smith is a basically a system creation. He's putting up huge numbers because he plays in Dana Holgerson's Air Raid offense. Almost every Air Raid QB from the beginning of time has put up monster numbers. Every single one. Count them. Tim Couch, Dusty Bonner, Jared Lorenzen, all the Texas Tech QBs for 10 straight years, Weeden. It's not the QB. It's the system. They are successful because Hal Mumme and Mike Leach took alot of what BYU was doing in the 80s and 90s with LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow and "put it on steroids". They are like Vince Lombardi and the old Green Bay Packers sweep play. You know its coming and you still cant stop it. They can execute their thing regardless of what the defense does because they practice just a few small things, but do it religiously and get literally thousands of reps because they don't believe in having a large offense. They believe in a few core things, with some tags to make it appear multiple and literally practice each individual play hundreds of times per week against all the types of defense and practice the hell out of their screen game. Every player in the offense can run the Mesh route and the Shallow route and the Y-Cross, Y-Sail, All-Curl/Shakes, Four Verticals, Y-Stick, Y-Corner and Smash routes in their sleep. They know every adjustment down cold and have gone through the repetitions so many times the muscle memory is there to be successful almost no matter what the defense presents. It's a tough offense to defend and Holgorsen has made it tougher to defend by packaging alot of stuff into one play. He's a big proponent of packaging with his dual read system. They have killed alot of people with the stick/draw combination. They've got a combo that involves a one man option route, a screen pass and a run all rolled into one play. If you are expecting Geno Smith to be a monster in the NFL you are sadly mistaken. The clock will strike midnight on Cinderella when he's gone from Holgorsen's offense, just as it has done for all the Texas Tech QB's who don't do anything in the pros, because they aren't great QBs of themselves, but rather had a tremendous offense to work with and coaches who knew exactly how to run it.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-25-2012, 09:38 PM
And he succeeded under the previous coach, too.

He's awesome in every system he's played in so far.

The guy was not the #1 recruit in Miami for no reason.

He's a ****ing stud and unlike those other QBs you mentioned, he has elite physical tools to work with.

Rocket 7
11-25-2012, 09:46 PM
Clark will demand a QB.

It's over.

Our long run of irrelevance will end with Geno Smith.

The Chiefs will remain botton feeders. Stay down b*tch

FearLanier
11-25-2012, 10:08 PM
Sorry Bob, but Geno Smith is a basically a system creation. He's putting up huge numbers because he plays in Dana Holgerson's Air Raid offense. Almost every Air Raid QB from the beginning of time has put up monster numbers. Every single one. Count them. Tim Couch, Dusty Bonner, Jared Lorenzen, all the Texas Tech QBs for 10 straight years, Weeden. It's not the QB. It's the system. They are successful because Hal Mumme and Mike Leach took alot of what BYU was doing in the 80s and 90s with LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow and "put it on steroids". They are like Vince Lombardi and the old Green Bay Packers sweep play. You know its coming and you still cant stop it. They can execute their thing regardless of what the defense does because they practice just a few small things, but do it religiously and get literally thousands of reps because they don't believe in having a large offense. They believe in a few core things, with some tags to make it appear multiple and literally practice each individual play hundreds of times per week against all the types of defense and practice the hell out of their screen game. Every player in the offense can run the Mesh route and the Shallow route and the Y-Cross, Y-Sail, All-Curl/Shakes, Four Verticals, Y-Stick, Y-Corner and Smash routes in their sleep. They know every adjustment down cold and have gone through the repetitions so many times the muscle memory is there to be successful almost no matter what the defense presents. It's a tough offense to defend and Holgorsen has made it tougher to defend by packaging alot of stuff into one play. He's a big proponent of packaging with his dual read system. They have killed alot of people with the stick/draw combination. They've got a combo that involves a one man option route, a screen pass and a run all rolled into one play. If you are expecting Geno Smith to be a monster in the NFL you are sadly mistaken. The clock will strike midnight on Cinderella when he's gone from Holgorsen's offense, just as it has done for all the Texas Tech QB's who don't do anything in the pros, because they aren't great QBs of themselves, but rather had a tremendous offense to work with and coaches who knew exactly how to run it.

Geno Smith played in a completely different system and took snaps under center in his first year starting as a sophomore and put up these numbers.

24 TD's/7 INT's, 2,763 passing yards and 64.8 completion %.

He will be fine in the NFL.

SouthStndJunkie
11-26-2012, 03:52 AM
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Bacchus
11-26-2012, 07:29 AM
Who is the QB for KSU? Kansas City will probably take him.

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 08:09 AM
Geno Smith played in a completely different system and took snaps under center in his first year starting as a sophomore and put up these numbers.

24 TD's/7 INT's, 2,763 passing yards and 64.8 completion %.

He will be fine in the NFL.

False.

Look, I get it. You guys are happy to just be able to draft a prospect early that could be good. Just because you want it and that's what you're left with doesn't mean he's going to be good. System QB's have a hard time adjusting to the NFL. That's just the truth of it. Pointing to what he did years ago as some indication he's going to do well in the NFL is crap. Even first round QB's that play in pro style offenses for the most part bust in the pros. Your odds aren't good. No one's are - especially after you missed the boat on last years' class.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-26-2012, 01:30 PM
No, it's very true. He played in a different system.

gyldenlove
11-26-2012, 01:46 PM
Geno Smith played in a completely different system and took snaps under center in his first year starting as a sophomore and put up these numbers.

24 TD's/7 INT's, 2,763 passing yards and 64.8 completion %.

He will be fine in the NFL.

You need to understand that college stats mean nothing at all:

Tim Tebow: 32 TDs/6 INTs, 3286 yards and 66.9% completion %
Brock Osweiler: 26 TDs/13 INTs, 4036 yards, 63.2 completion %
Blaine Gabbert: 24 TDs/9 INTs, 3593 yards, 58.9 completion %

Those stat lines were all in their first years as starters as well.

None of those guys had a RB as productive as Noel Devine carrying the team for them.

Geno plays against some piss-poor defenses in the Big-12 and in an offense that is known to produce extreme stats. He is just not a top prospect.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-26-2012, 02:45 PM
Geno plays against some piss-poor defenses in the Big-12 and in an offense that is known to produce extreme stats. He is just not a top prospect.

Except that he is by every major scouting site out there.

And when you see throws like this you understand why.

http://i.imgur.com/mSm0b.gif

Bob's your Information Minister
11-26-2012, 02:47 PM
How many QBs coming out in the last 10 years had 93 TDs against 20 INT in 4 years?

Or 37 and 5 as a senior?

He is a rare prospect.

boppool
11-26-2012, 03:03 PM
If Pioli somehow survives another year, he'll draft a defensive lineman from LSU...

broncosteven
11-26-2012, 03:10 PM
False.

Look, I get it. You guys are happy to just be able to draft a prospect early that could be good. Just because you want it and that's what you're left with doesn't mean he's going to be good. System QB's have a hard time adjusting to the NFL. That's just the truth of it. Pointing to what he did years ago as some indication he's going to do well in the NFL is crap. Even first round QB's that play in pro style offenses for the most part bust in the pros. Your odds aren't good. No one's are - especially after you missed the boat on last years' class.

Yours is the superior!

Personally I hope they draft the 2 guys they want. There is not a QB in this draft that I think will hurt us for 16 years. kFc missed the boat last year.

I look forward to watching kFc try to land the right QB then try to develop him.

Good thing is if they get the wrong QB this time around in 2 years they will be bad enough to draft another one high!

At least when we were bad we had talent to build on. kFc has nothing. Bowe (who is a bad overrated WR) is likely gone this year, their #1 pick this year was inactive (bust), Houston and Hali are one dimentional, they couldn't do anything to stop a RB who was inactive for 8 weeks! They need an OL retool, they need to find multiple WR's and a couple TE's. It is going to take kFc years to rebuild.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-26-2012, 03:19 PM
Smith is nothing like any of those QBs.

He is a pocket passer with great accuracy.

More like Akili Smith :)

Fedaykin
11-26-2012, 03:20 PM
Except that he is by every major scouting site out there.

And when you see throws like this you understand why.

http://i.imgur.com/mSm0b.gif

A GIF of the kid making an extremely stupid throw is supposed to impress?

broncosteven
11-26-2012, 03:36 PM
A GIF of the kid making an extremely stupid throw is supposed to impress?

I guess when you don't have a QB who can throw the ball 30 yards even a QB throwing into triple coverage looks good?

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 03:39 PM
A GIF of the kid making an extremely stupid throw is supposed to impress?

That's why fans make horrible evaluators. They find a few deep bombs into double coverage, ill-advised likely interceptions in the pros, and pretend that makes someone a good QB. Show me a button-hook hot read adjustment. Show me a a progression. Not this one-read, deep bomb, spread option crap everyone and their mom runs that has now value in the pros at all.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-26-2012, 03:51 PM
That's not a stupid throw. The guy was open, it was just a very tight window.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-26-2012, 03:52 PM
That's an NFL throw. The windows are that tight in the pros.

Stud QB folks. Suck it.

Fedaykin
11-26-2012, 04:04 PM
That's not a stupid throw. The guy was open, it was just a very tight window.

No, it was a stupid throw that gets picked off 4/5 times in the NFL. Receiver was bracketed in triple coverage.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-26-2012, 04:17 PM
Geno put the ball where no DB could get it, sorry.

Great ****ing throw. Incredibly touch, timing, accuracy, willingness to stand in the pocket and get pounded.

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 04:33 PM
Geno put the ball where no DB could get it, sorry.

Great ****ing throw. Incredibly touch, timing, accuracy, willingness to stand in the pocket and get pounded.

It was a bad throw and the wrong read. If you look, the receiver running a deep comeback on the right side of the field is wide open for a first down. See, he already has a problem staring down his favorite receivers...

KipCorrington25
11-26-2012, 05:27 PM
The only person I've seen worse at evaluating talent than Blob was Josh McDaniels.

gyldenlove
11-26-2012, 05:32 PM
Except that he is by every major scouting site out there.

And when you see throws like this you understand why.

http://i.imgur.com/mSm0b.gif

So was Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Couch and Jimmy Clausen, before the season Matt Barkley was ranked the highest and how has that worked out for him?

Geno has a bad case of happy feet, a very low release, he is more of a flinger than a thrower because of his suspect arm strength and the precision on his deep ball is poor. He stares down his predetermined number 1 read without ever going through any kind of progression, he doesn't make any presnap adjustments. He has a very quick release and he throws a great fastball on short and intermediate passes which is what that WVU offense is build on - using the playmaking skills of Austin to turn small gains into large gains.

He is by some considerable margin the weakest top rated QB in a draft class for some time, probably going back as far as 2006.

gyldenlove
11-26-2012, 05:35 PM
It was a bad throw and the wrong read. If you look, the receiver running a deep comeback on the right side of the field is wide open for a first down. See, he already has a problem staring down his favorite receivers...

I think that is more a problem of running an offence with predetermined reads, you will see in every game he plays he stares down his number 1 read and only if poop really hits the fan will he try to go through progressions, but more often than not he just ends up going to short to a RB or TE or throwing it out of bounds.

crush17
11-26-2012, 05:40 PM
LOL if the Chiefs want to draft Geno Smith then by all means, please go ahead.

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 06:46 PM
I think that is more a problem of running an offence with predetermined reads, you will see in every game he plays he stares down his number 1 read and only if poop really hits the fan will he try to go through progressions, but more often than not he just ends up going to short to a RB or TE or throwing it out of bounds.

And that's just how it is for these spread offense QB's. They have a play that is designed to get a guy open and they throw it to that guy. They aren't reading defenses. They are just working off what is spoon fed from their coordinator and let their athleticism take over. I mean that's really every college player, but it's also why spread offense QB's are stupid.

DBroncos4life
11-26-2012, 06:58 PM
I'm not as low on Geno Smith as most guys. I think the right coach can do wonders with him. One thing though bob, Smith's WR's are better then KC's right now. Bailey and Austin are studs.

gyldenlove
11-26-2012, 06:59 PM
And that's just how it is for these spread offense QB's. They have a play that is designed to get a guy open and they throw it to that guy. They aren't reading defenses. They are just working off what is spoon fed from their coordinator and let their athleticism take over. I mean that's really every college player, but it's also why spread offense QB's are stupid.

I honestly don't mind spread QBs who have solid fundamentals, I believe most good QBs can learn to follow progressions, but when you combine the lack of experience running progressions and doing post-snap reads and pre-snap adjustments with Geno Smith's issues in terms of fundamentals it is just not a great mix.

Sam Bradford who in terms of technique was probably the most NFL ready QB between 2005 and 2010 and he has needed several years to adjust to running an NFL offense. Compare that to a guy like Andy Dalton who doesn't have the same physical ability but has the experience and it is really startling how much time is wasted teaching QBs to play football.

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 07:03 PM
I honestly don't mind spread QBs who have solid fundamentals, I believe most good QBs can learn to follow progressions, but when you combine the lack of experience running progressions and doing post-snap reads and pre-snap adjustments with Geno Smith's issues in terms of fundamentals it is just not a great mix.

Sam Bradford who in terms of technique was probably the most NFL ready QB between 2005 and 2010 and he has needed several years to adjust to running an NFL offense. Compare that to a guy like Andy Dalton who doesn't have the same physical ability but has the experience and it is really startling how much time is wasted teaching QBs to play football.

I agree. And my point is they ALL need a lot of time and almost all are nothing more than marginal. Name the last one that worked out after three seasons. I can't think of any.

http://espn.go.com/high-school/football/great-state-debate/story/_/id/7472145/spread-quarterbacks-rarely-enjoy-pro-success

FearLanier
11-26-2012, 08:12 PM
False.

Look, I get it. You guys are happy to just be able to draft a prospect early that could be good. Just because you want it and that's what you're left with doesn't mean he's going to be good. System QB's have a hard time adjusting to the NFL. That's just the truth of it. Pointing to what he did years ago as some indication he's going to do well in the NFL is crap. Even first round QB's that play in pro style offenses for the most part bust in the pros. Your odds aren't good. No one's are - especially after you missed the boat on last years' class.

It seems more and more like people are comparing this years QB class to last years top guys. They are not last years class, but that doesn't mean they can't be good. It's like people think this class is the 2002 QB class for goodness sakes.

Talent and coaching matters. Do you think Baylor and their 3rd ranked passing attack miss RG3 all that much this year? Do you think Stanford and their coaching (I really want David Shaw) and talent miss Andrew Luck all that much this year after what they've done?

Luck and RG3 had quality coaching in college. Now RG3 goes to a coach that has the best system for him and Luck has an OC who has his own success coaching rookie QB's. The top 5 QB's in this class (save Aaron Murray) have had absolute garbage coaching in college and even worse surrounding talent.

I think a lot of what makes a good QB is his work ethic and IQ. Geno apparently has those characteristics, as well as maturity.

Now Romeo is not a good coach, but I will tell you this: the Broncos were only beating the Chiefs by 8 points until the last minute of the game, and that was with no presence at QB. Quinn didn't even complete a pass in the 4th quarter and we had him either hand off to Charles or take quick 3 step drops most of the game.

Put Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson at QB on Sunday and KC beats the Broncos.

lolcopter
11-26-2012, 08:39 PM
Bull****. I've already explained how losing every game from here on out helps us.

We can now afford to beat the Browns in a few weeks, which we may just do.

I wouldn't get your hopes up

Bacchus
11-26-2012, 08:45 PM
So was Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Couch and Jimmy Clausen, before the season Matt Barkley was ranked the highest and how has that worked out for him?

Geno has a bad case of happy feet, a very low release, he is more of a flinger than a thrower because of his suspect arm strength and the precision on his deep ball is poor. He stares down his predetermined number 1 read without ever going through any kind of progression, he doesn't make any presnap adjustments. He has a very quick release and he throws a great fastball on short and intermediate passes which is what that WVU offense is build on - using the playmaking skills of Austin to turn small gains into large gains.

He is by some considerable margin the weakest top rated QB in a draft class for some time, probably going back as far as 2006.

Who says the Chiefs are even going to draft this guy? I bet they chicken out and go with Barkley.

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 08:59 PM
It seems more and more like people are comparing this years QB class to last years top guys. They are not last years class, but that doesn't mean they can't be good. It's like people think this class is the 2002 QB class for goodness sakes.

Talent and coaching matters. Do you think Baylor and their 3rd ranked passing attack miss RG3 all that much this year? Do you think Stanford and their coaching (I really want David Shaw) and talent miss Andrew Luck all that much this year after what they've done?

Luck and RG3 had quality coaching in college. Now RG3 goes to a coach that has the best system for him and Luck has an OC who has his own success coaching rookie QB's. The top 5 QB's in this class (save Aaron Murray) have had absolute garbage coaching in college and even worse surrounding talent.

I think a lot of what makes a good QB is his work ethic and IQ. Geno apparently has those characteristics, as well as maturity.

Now Romeo is not a good coach, but I will tell you this: the Broncos were only beating the Chiefs by 8 points until the last minute of the game, and that was with no presence at QB. Quinn didn't even complete a pass in the 4th quarter and we had him either hand off to Charles or take quick 3 step drops most of the game.

Put Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson at QB on Sunday and KC beats the Broncos.

No. You really think a rookie system QB would have won yesterday? They're horrible in their first year. Cassel, maybe. You guys played your best game and we played our worst. Weird things happen when we play in Arrowhead.

baja
11-26-2012, 09:05 PM
Bad year to have the #1 pick and KC will probably have to start whatever qb they take with a new coach and play book that the rest of the team will have to learn

Gonna have to get lucky on a coach, lucky on a QB and lucky on the rest of the draft and you might keep Pioli

Bacchus
11-26-2012, 09:09 PM
No. You really think a rookie system QB would have won yesterday? They're horrible in their first year. Cassel, maybe. You guys played your best game and we played our worst. Weird things happen when we play in Arrowhead.

I am not sure it is as simple as that. The Chiefs have a talented team. Everyone was picking them to win the division. They have talent on the defense at WR and at RB. The problem with them all year is the QB and more directly the turnovers. Cassell was a tunrover machine throwing INTS and Fumbling multiple times every game. Cassell is a much better passer than Quinn but you see what KC can be when they do not turn the ball over. Quinn played conservative and took care of the ball and they were in the game the whole way. Now the odds of KC ever beating Denver with that game plan is probably lower than if they aired it out with Cassell but this way they were much more likley to keep it close and that is what they wanted.

If they can find a QB that can push the ball down field and not turn it over they wil be a good team.

If they would have told Cassell to come out and be aggressive and try to score with the Broncos the Chiefs would have had their best chance to win. Instead they put Quinn in and told him to take care of the ball and this way they can lose a close game instead of getting blown out. That is why they settled for FG attempts instead of going for it on 4th downs. They just wanted to keep it close because they felt they did not have the QB to compete with the Broncos.

If Manning signed with KC they would be 8-3 now instead of Denver.

Kaylore
11-26-2012, 09:10 PM
Quinn was like 1-10 on third down. We punted to their 50 three times and they couldn't move the ball ten yards. They suck.

lolcopter
11-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Up 5 points against the chiefs = two possession lead

FearLanier
11-26-2012, 09:42 PM
I am not sure it is as simple as that. The Chiefs have a talented team. Everyone was picking them to win the division. They have talent on the defense at WR and at RB. The problem with them all year is the QB and more directly the turnovers. Cassell was a tunrover machine throwing INTS and Fumbling multiple times every game. Cassell is a much better passer than Quinn but you see what KC can be when they do not turn the ball over. Quinn played conservative and took care of the ball and they were in the game the whole way. Now the odds of KC ever beating Denver with that game plan is probably lower than if they aired it out with Cassell but this way they were much more likley to keep it close and that is what they wanted.

If they can find a QB that can push the ball down field and not turn it over they wil be a good team.

If they would have told Cassell to come out and be aggressive and try to score with the Broncos the Chiefs would have had their best chance to win. Instead they put Quinn in and told him to take care of the ball and this way they can lose a close game instead of getting blown out. That is why they settled for FG attempts instead of going for it on 4th downs. They just wanted to keep it close because they felt they did not have the QB to compete with the Broncos.

If Manning signed with KC they would be 8-3 now instead of Denver.

I agree.

Chiefs have talent. A quality HC changes everything. Look at the 49ers for proof. They got much better with Harbaugh running the ship.

As for QB's, I'd take Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson. I really like what Tyler Wilson has shown too. The guy has been hit in the chest so many times this year and gets back up. Losing his 3 best WR's to the NFL and his coach to stupidity hurt him and he still looked good on Saturday against an elite college defense.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-27-2012, 02:47 AM
And that's just how it is for these spread offense QB's. They have a play that is designed to get a guy open and they throw it to that guy. They aren't reading defenses. They are just working off what is spoon fed from their coordinator and let their athleticism take over. I mean that's really every college player, but it's also why spread offense QB's are stupid.

Not this guy. There are lots of examples of him making multiple reads.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-27-2012, 02:48 AM
Geno has a bad case of happy feet, a very low release, he is more of a flinger than a thrower because of his suspect arm strength and the precision on his deep ball is poor.

Really? :rofl:

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CEH
11-27-2012, 06:18 AM
I love it

KC will be forced to take a QB and just like being forced to take Tyson Jackson will end up with someone whos not a difference maker and sucks up salary

GO for it KCFan Post away all the GIFs you want. Soak in those highlight reel throws in your Mom's basement mastrubating to those GIFs at 2:30 am

What a loser

Haven't drafted a QB that has won you a game since Elway's 83 draft

You guys suck at drafting QBs

Go for it KC draft a QB #1

Bob's your Information Minister
12-02-2012, 08:01 PM
Again, thank you.

Had we won last week we would have horribly damaged our chance at the #1 pick.

PaintballCLE
12-02-2012, 08:07 PM
hey bob, i was listening to 610? am i think in KC (it was a stream so i dont know for sure) about the events that took place yesterday...... and a few of them thought that since it happened in front of pioli and RAC that they might be given another year..... because they wouldn't want to fire them after a time like this...... do you hear any buzz around there similar?

rmsanger
12-02-2012, 08:08 PM
This will be bumped when the Chiefs take a LT or DL with their pick.

Bronco X
12-02-2012, 08:13 PM
I was real glad to see the Chiefs win today. The first time I've ever rooted for the Chiefs when it had nothing to do with them beating a team the Broncos were fighting for a playoff positioning with.

extralife
12-02-2012, 08:16 PM
hey bob, i was listening to 610? am i think in KC (it was a stream so i dont know for sure) about the events that took place yesterday...... and a few of them thought that since it happened in front of pioli and RAC that they might be given another year..... because they wouldn't want to fire them after a time like this...... do you hear any buzz around there similar?

considering the eagles owner basically put reid on the hotseat like two days after his son killed himself, I doubt the NFL operates like that

Bacchus
12-02-2012, 08:19 PM
I love it

KC will be forced to take a QB and just like being forced to take Tyson Jackson will end up with someone whos not a difference maker and sucks up salary

GO for it KCFan Post away all the GIFs you want. Soak in those highlight reel throws in your Mom's basement mastrubating to those GIFs at 2:30 am

What a loser

Haven't drafted a QB that has won you a game since Elway's 83 draft

You guys suck at drafting QBs

Go for it KC draft a QB #1

This tragedy could pull the team together and they win out.

PaintballCLE
12-02-2012, 08:26 PM
considering the eagles owner basically put reid on the hotseat like two days after his son killed himself, I doubt the NFL operates like that

i agree....... but they said that since it was a player and all the players are "bothered" by this.......... that RAC and Pioli have that bond to hold them together now.

broncosteven
12-02-2012, 08:29 PM
I am waiting for STUD to login and tell us how our win vs Carolina is overrated now.

broncosteven
12-02-2012, 09:39 PM
If kFc wins one more game they are in a big ol' log jam with 3 wins with Oakland, Carolina, Philly, and the Jags will have a one game lead for the 1st overall pick. I would love to see them fall to 4 or 5.

broncocalijohn
12-02-2012, 09:45 PM
If kFc wins one more game they are in a big ol' log jam with 3 wins with Oakland, Carolina, Philly, and the Jags will have a one game lead for the 1st overall pick. I would love to see them fall to 4 or 5.

problem is that I doubt Carolina, Raiders will go for a QB. Others might or take some draft picks for their pick. It would be sweet for the Chiefs to get a few more wins to put them away from screwing a young QB from ever getting a win. I really wish our game in week 17 wouldnt be needed and give one away but we need all wins for home field advantage.

Bacchus
12-02-2012, 10:06 PM
problem is that I doubt Carolina, Raiders will go for a QB. Others might or take some draft picks for their pick. It would be sweet for the Chiefs to get a few more wins to put them away from screwing a young QB from ever getting a win. I really wish our game in week 17 wouldnt be needed and give one away but we need all wins for home field advantage.

The Raiders will take a QB. Palmer is horrible. Carolina will trade out giving someone a chance to move in front of KC.