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baja
11-22-2012, 05:36 PM
Good move or Bad move?


OK fixed it.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 05:44 PM
This is the last year of Smith. If he wins the Super Bowl he stays. If he went to the playoffs and lost in the championship game he's done. Even going to SB and losing he's done. No 7 mil roster bonus in April and its off to a new team. I do not see Smith winning a SB. He manages games and that's it. Rarely completes passes downfield. Watching miner games you can see once he is behind its hard for them to comeback.

I thought he still wasn't cleared to play. Give the back up a look on the road. The only position that is weak on that team is QB and if it makes you better why not

BroncoBuff
11-22-2012, 05:47 PM
Like I just mentioned in the other thread on this same topic ... good move giving Kaepernick a start at this point, but bad move actually naming him the starter.

HAT
11-22-2012, 05:48 PM
It's an excellent move.

Hamrob
11-22-2012, 06:04 PM
The kid played in one game...and caught the apposing team off guard. What has he done besides that one game? Smith isn't spectacular...but, his QB rating was top 5. I don't think you bench your vet after an injury...and force guys to take sides in the locker room. Harbaugh should know better.

Now, Smith knows that you're not in his corner. If Kaepernack falls on his ass...Harbaugh is screwed.

errand
11-22-2012, 06:30 PM
Smith probably knew Harbaugh wasn't completely in his corner when he didn't sign him before last season was over and Alex was leading his team to NFC title bout....and was resigned only after Manning rejected the 49ers.

rugbythug
11-22-2012, 06:35 PM
Kaepernick is not a Rookie.

Requiem
11-22-2012, 06:36 PM
Alex Smith has been terrible is whole career until a decent year this year and last. Threw for over 3,000 once and has never had 20 TDs. Any good QB in the NFL has done just as much as Smith in half the time. Dude sucks.

HAT
11-22-2012, 06:38 PM
Kaepernick is not a Rookie.

Baja is a hippie and does copious amounts of drugs....You have to let minor details slide with him most of the time.

baja
11-22-2012, 06:57 PM
Baja is a hippie and does copious amounts of drugs....You have to let minor details slide with him most of the time.

I don't do drugs









any more.

Kaylore
11-22-2012, 07:04 PM
Everyone > Alex Smith

theAPAOps5
11-22-2012, 07:43 PM
Kaepernick is not a Rookie.

This and the signs were clear Smith was on borrowed time in San Fran. But still surprised they made move to Kaepernick. Switching starter mid season while still in the playoff hunt (in their case leading the division) is risky. Just ask Shanny

Play2win
11-22-2012, 08:09 PM
I don't do drugs









any more.


...or less than you used to.




;D

baja
11-22-2012, 08:49 PM
...or less than you used to.




;D

Anything concocted by man I don't put into my body except the occasion Aspirin

Kaylore
11-22-2012, 08:52 PM
Anything concocted by man I don't put into my body except the occasion Aspirin

Well technically man didn't create aspirin, he just discovered it.

baja
11-22-2012, 08:54 PM
Well technically man didn't create aspirin, he just discovered it.

Technically man didn't create any drug just refined & concentrated it from natural substances

Kaylore
11-22-2012, 08:59 PM
Technically man didn't create any drug just refined & concentrated it from natural substances

Of course, however people had been using Willow bark and spiraea since Egyptian times. You can't really chew on a plant and get Viagra, for example.

HAT
11-22-2012, 09:02 PM
Of course, however people had been using Willow bark and spiraea since Egyptian times. You can't really chew on a plant and get Viagra, for example.

Disagree...I've had chicks suck a root and it affects me exactly like Viagra.

ZONA
11-22-2012, 09:02 PM
Harbaugh probably thinking Colin had one hell of a game against one of the better defenses in the league, and if he can do that to the Bears defense, he should be good against average to poor defenses. But it is very risky. If Colin has a stinker of a game next week, wow, do you have a big can of open worms now. If you're losing, yeah do it, nothing to lose. But when you're winning, and this doesn't pay off in the next few weeks, whoa, there will be a ton of criticism coming down on Harbaugh.

I just have a question though, is this now official? I know Colin was taking 1st rep snaps in practice early in the week but Harbaugh had said nothing about who was starting the game.

baja
11-22-2012, 09:03 PM
Of course, however people had been using Willow bark and spiraea since Egyptian times. You can't really chew on a plant and get Viagra, for example.

Horney Goat Weed

http://www.futurescopes.com/love-and-sex/73/natural-aphrodisiacs-men

Jay3
11-22-2012, 09:08 PM
Kap's legs look funny. Like they might break or something. Thanks.

BroncoBuff
11-22-2012, 09:28 PM
Anything concocted by man I don't put into my body except the occasion Aspirin

If he were to live in the United States, the Most Interesting Man in the World would reside in one of two states only: Washington or Colorado ... the only two that permit legal recreational use of cannabis. While drinking Dos Eqqis.

BroncoBuff
11-22-2012, 09:31 PM
I can't believe Harbaugh officially name him "the starter." Success must have gone to his head, because that's a a plainly foolish thing to do.

baja
11-22-2012, 09:33 PM
If he were to live in the United States, the Most Interesting Man in the World would reside in one of two states only: Washington or Colorado ... the only two that permit legal recreational use of cannabis. While drinking Dos Eqqis.

Us Messakins don't need on stinken permission ;D

ZONA
11-23-2012, 01:19 AM
Most of the guys on NFL Network think it was the wrong move also. Colin may have more upside then Smith but, like they say, it's a huge risk. You know what you get with Smith, he'll give you some plays, maybe not as much as some other great QB's, but he's probably not going to make many mistakes to cost you game either. And ALOT of players don't like it when you lose your job due to an injury, especially if you are ready to go the following week. Could be some locker room issues with this decision if Colin doesn't churn out some wins. It's not like Smith was out for 6 games and the guy replacing him was lights out for half a season or something. We're talking 1 friggin game. Clearly this is Harbaugh saying Smith was "not my guy" like so many of these coaches do today. Their ego gets in the way. Should make the Saints game much more fun to watch now.

Natedog24
11-23-2012, 03:37 AM
I'll give Harbaugh the benefit of the doubt at this point in his coaching career. I don't think he has made a single mistake yet, literally everything he has touched has turned to gold.

Kaylore
11-23-2012, 07:46 AM
I don't have a problem with this. However the majority clearly does. The majority also has yet to explain why. Harbaugh was a QB, so don't tell me he doesn't understand the weight of the decision. When your QB destroys the best defense in the league on national TV, how to go back to the guy who was there before you arrived and you have no vested interest in? Someone please tell me why this was a bad decision.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-23-2012, 08:29 AM
It will be interesting to see how it works out after nfl defenses get 3-4 games worth of footage. I guarantee you that he will have some issues to overcome, probably right around the time the post season rolls around. Seems like a risky move, especially when the established starter was on course to win the division.

baja
11-23-2012, 08:45 AM
I don't have a problem with this. However the majority clearly does. The majority also has yet to explain why. Harbaugh was a QB, so don't tell me he doesn't understand the weight of the decision. When your QB destroys the best defense in the league on national TV, how to go back to the guy who was there before you arrived and you have no vested interest in? Someone please tell me why this was a bad decision.

It's the same issue as when Shanahan started Griese over Brister or Cutler over Plummer when the team was 7 and 3.

1. It divides the locker room

2. It destroys the confidence of the guy benched

3. Team is on a playoff run and is winning why fix what isn't broken

4. Most importantly why make a big deal out of it and name the new guy your starter to the press? All he had to do was say is he was concerned about the long term health of Smith and did not want to rush him back. Everyone would except that and he'd get mad respect for it and if the new guy tore it up on the field he could squeeze another week out of the situation, going forward he could say he was playing the best player. Easy, he gets a risk free change

Kaylore
11-23-2012, 08:54 AM
Alex Smith isn't really lighting the world on fire, though. He's thrown for 13 TD's. I mean he's basically a game manager.

baja
11-23-2012, 08:59 AM
Alex Smith isn't really lighting the world on fire, though. He's thrown for 13 TD's. I mean he's basically a game manager.

Read point #4

Harbaugh could have accomplished the same thing without all the negatives

I see ego all over the way he handled it.

What if the kid bombs you think Smith comes back with all the confidence in the world for the playoffs.

theAPAOps5
11-23-2012, 09:05 AM
I don't have a problem with this. However the majority clearly does. The majority also has yet to explain why. Harbaugh was a QB, so don't tell me he doesn't understand the weight of the decision. When your QB destroys the best defense in the league on national TV, how to go back to the guy who was there before you arrived and you have no vested interest in? Someone please tell me why this was a bad decision.

I explained why I disagree, on the first page. It isn't about ability its about the timing.

RaiderH8r
11-23-2012, 09:06 AM
It's the same issue as when Shanahan started Griese over Brister or Cutler over Plummer when the team was 7 and 3.

1. It divides the locker room

2. It destroys the confidence of the guy benched

3. Team is on a playoff run and is winning why fix what isn't broken

4. Most importantly why make a big deal out of it and name the new guy your starter to the press? All he had to do was say is he was concerned about the long term health of Smith and did not want to rush him back. Everyone would except that and he'd get mad respect for it and if the new guy tore it up on the field he could squeeze another week out of the situation, going forward he could say he was playing the best player. Easy, he gets a risk free change

Well said. The Cutler-Plummer switch ran us out of the playoffs that year. It will be interesting to watch this play out. But yeah, Harbaugh could have had it both ways by giving Kaepernick the start under the guise of player protection.

Tombstone RJ
11-23-2012, 09:18 AM
Harbaugh is probably right in that Kaepernick will be the better QB but the way he's making the transition is bad. Here's what I would have done if I was Harbaugh:

I'd let Smith continue to start, however, the moment he struggles in a game, that is, the moment he throws a few picks or turns the ball over and the Niners are losing, or in a bad situation, then I bring in Kaepernick.

With Kaepernick's performance against the bears, this would be completely justifyable. Smith would be benched simply due to his performance (or lack of performance).

baja
11-23-2012, 09:25 AM
The trouble with that idea is Kaepernick would not have the benefit of the first team reps so the playing field would against him. If Smith is deemed not ready to play for health reasons Kaepernick gets the reps. And the announcement could have waited until Thursday giving NO no time to prepare for the kid.

Lomax
11-23-2012, 10:44 AM
I see no reason why QBs can't be interchangeable. If Harbaugh deems Kaepernick ready, put the kid in. If he struggles, put Smith back in. I think concerns over the QBs confidence are overblown, as though starting Kaepernick renders Alex Smith unusable. These guys are professionals, and as long as they are collecting game checks, they have to be ready to play. Anybody who can't handle being replaced needs to retire.

lolcopter
11-23-2012, 10:55 AM
Alex smith sucks so this is a good move

When you QB's best asset is "he doesn't turn the ball over" you don't have a very good QB



(See:Orton, Kyle)

theAPAOps5
11-23-2012, 11:32 AM
I see no reason why QBs can't be interchangable.

It's never worked. The old adage, when you have two starting QBs you have none. The QB is the focal point of the game. An OL learns their tendencies and preference, timing needs to developed with WR/TE's, it's just too difficult. It's why the wildcat will always be a gimmick used to surprise.

If Kaepernick is the guy he needs to stay the guy and Harbaugh better hope they don't run flat into a wall. By making the move he may very well have thought a wall was coming regardless. One other variable is they have a good defense to help cushion any stumble that may occur.

Tombstone RJ
11-23-2012, 11:36 AM
The trouble with that idea is Kaepernick would not have the benefit of the first team reps so the playing field would against him. If Smith is deemed not ready to play for health reasons Kaepernick gets the reps. And the announcement could have waited until Thursday giving NO no time to prepare for the kid.

Not really, it's Kaepernick who needs to be prepared regardless. If he's such a great QB it won't matter, right?

right.

Kaylore
11-23-2012, 12:07 PM
I guess we'll see. I think Alex Smith is a below average QB who has benefited from a good team and good coaching. I think the head coach knows this because he drafted his replacement and tried to sign Manning. Will Kaepernick struggle as teams get more tape on him? Not anymore than Alex Smith would is my prediction.

DBroncos4life
11-23-2012, 12:12 PM
What happens when teams get more film on Kaep?

Cito Pelon
11-23-2012, 12:25 PM
Dunno if it was a good move or not, but you could see it coming at some point. Smith is a meh kind of QB, then you have Kaepernick who Harbaugh traded UP for (Denver's #36). I was hoping Denver would grab Kaepernick in round 2. Gonna be interesting to me to see how it works out. Denver got The Dream (#45) and Quinton Carter (#108) out of the deal.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 12:38 PM
Benching one of the most efficient QB's in the league this year definitely looks funny to me. Per pass, Alex Smith has been Manning-like. I don't know if he would continue to be that good if he threw more, but this move is beyond stupid.

This is how you lose locker rooms.

lolcopter
11-23-2012, 12:41 PM
Benching one of the most efficient QB's in the league this year definitely looks funny to me. Per pass, Alex Smith has been Manning-like. I don't know if he would continue to be that good if he threw more, but this move is beyond stupid.

This is how you lose locker rooms.

looooooool

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 12:44 PM
looooooool

Are you disputing that a 104 QB rating with an 8 yard per pass average and 70% completion rate is Manning-like? He also has nearly a 3 to 1 TD/INT ratio. He's not been allowed to throw a lot, but when he's thrown he's been very good overall. Your response only reveals your ignorance on the matter.

lolcopter
11-23-2012, 12:49 PM
Are you disputing that a 104 QB rating with an 8 yard per pass average and 70% completion rate is Manning-like? He also has nearly a 3 to 1 TD/INT ratio. He's not been allowed to throw a lot, but when he's thrown he's been very good overall. Your response only reveals your ignorance on the matter.

Well, when you have the best running game in the league based on yds per game, it's a little easy to be efficient passing the ball

Stats don't tell the whole story though. Smith couldn't dream of making the passes manning makes, let alone the ones Kaep makes for that matter. Colin single handily revived Vernon Davis's year and the should roll with the hot hand


All that being said I hope this blows up in their face and SF tanks it, because screw them

Requiem
11-23-2012, 12:49 PM
Benching one of the most efficient QB's in the league this year definitely looks funny to me. Per pass, Alex Smith has been Manning-like. I don't know if he would continue to be that good if he threw more, but this move is beyond stupid.

This is how you lose locker rooms.

I am sure the 49ers are going to miss his less than 200 yards per game.

And the ****? Manning has twice as many completions for 20+ yards and near double the amount of 40 yard passes than Alex Turdsmith.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 12:58 PM
I am sure the 49ers are going to miss his less than 200 yards per game.

And the ****? Manning has twice as many completions for 20+ yards and near double the amount of 40 yard passes than Alex Turdsmith.

You do understand that I was speaking in terms of per pass stats right? The guy has thrown the ball roughly 60% as much as Manning so of course his season totals don't compare. And I already said I don't know if he could maintain that if he threw more (I tend to think not, but no one really knows). My whole point is that for the number of times per game he's been allowed to throw he's been quite good. To dispute what I'm saying is just stupid. So of course OM posters jump at the chance to do so (with you leading the charge of stupidity as usual).

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 01:02 PM
Well, when you have the best running game in the league based on yds per game, it's a little easy to be efficient passing the ball

Stats don't tell the whole story though. Smith couldn't dream of making the passes manning makes, let alone the ones Kaep makes for that matter. Colin single handily revived Vernon Davis's year and the should roll with the hot hand


All that being said I hope this blows up in their face and SF tanks it, because screw them

Alex Smith has had three or four games on par with what Kaepernick just did. It was just one game.

lolcopter
11-23-2012, 01:05 PM
Alex Smith has had three or four games on par with what Kaepernick just did. It was just one game.

Smith couldn't make half the passes that Kaep made last week

Add in the dual threat with Kaep's legs and he's a slam dunk more legit offensive threat than check down Smith

Requiem
11-23-2012, 01:14 PM
You do understand that I was speaking in terms of per pass stats right? The guy has thrown the ball roughly 60% as much as Manning so of course his season totals don't compare. And I already said I don't know if he could maintain that if he threw more (I tend to think not, but no one really knows). My whole point is that for the number of times per game he's been allowed to throw he's been quite good. To dispute what I'm saying is just stupid. So of course OM posters jump at the chance to do so (with you leading the charge of stupidity as usual).

You know God damn well that most all of your football takes are deplorable. Everyone on the OM knows that as well, which is why you are often the subject of ridicule. Alex Smith has had an abortion of a career in the NFL. Any QB worth a damn would be putting up better numbers with the kind of game he has going for him on the ground and in the trenches.

As Lolcopter explained, the running game in Frisco has really opened up things for him. Kaepernick as a second-year player is just as capable of doing what Smith does and he has been in the league since he was ~ 21 years old. He is a threat on the ground and has the ability to hit their best receiver (Vernon Davis) wherever he goes on the field. The team is confident enough with the dynamics of the situation (aforementioned and a solid defense) to roll with him going forward.

Anybody with a brain in their head knew that when he was drafted, the Alex Smith days as a 49er were nearing their end. Quite unfortunate that it took a brain scrambling for that to come, but 49ers fans can be thankful that the near decade long nightmare that was a Smith led team is over. Just like all of us are thankful that Tim Tebow (your savior) is warming up the bench on the Jets.

You were saying?

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 01:16 PM
Smith couldn't make half the passes that Kaep made last week

Add in the dual threat with Kaep's legs and he's a slam dunk more legit offensive threat than check down Smith

What passes exactly did he make that Alex Smith can't make? Are you honestly claiming that a guy who is averaging 8 yards per pass only ever throws check downs?

lolcopter
11-23-2012, 01:21 PM
What passes exactly did he make that Alex Smith can't make? Are you honestly claiming that a guy who is averaging 8 yards per pass only ever throws check downs?

Uh, nearly all the ones that went Vernon Davis's way? The Crabtree TD?

Smith is of the same ilk as Orton, efficient when not turning the ball over... completely pedestrian in every other manner

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 01:26 PM
You know God damn well that most all of your football takes are deplorable. Everyone on the OM knows that as well, which is why you are often the subject of ridicule. Alex Smith has had an abortion of a career in the NFL. Any QB worth a damn would be putting up better numbers with the kind of game he has going for him on the ground and in the trenches.

As Lolcopter explained, the running game in Frisco has really opened up things for him. Kaepernick as a second-year player is just as capable of doing what Smith does and he has been in the league since he was ~ 21 years old. He is a threat on the ground and has the ability to hit their best receiver (Vernon Davis) wherever he goes on the field. The team is confident enough with the dynamics of the situation (aforementioned and a solid defense) to roll with him going forward.

Anybody with a brain in their head knew that when he was drafted, the Alex Smith days as a 49er were nearing their end. Quite unfortunate that it took a brain scrambling for that to come, but 49ers fans can be thankful that the near decade long nightmare that was a Smith led team is over. Just like all of us are thankful that Tim Tebow (your savior) is warming up the bench on the Jets.

You were saying?

I honestly don't think you ever post anything that is rational or intelligent. The consistency you show on the matter is remarkable honestly.

Alex Smith has been extremely efficient and has been part of a lot of wins over the past two seasons (on a per pass basis--season totals are beyond his control as he doesn't call the plays). To act like that isn't true is beyond disingenuous. And to act like Kaepernick has done anything to really earn the starting job over him is laughable. Kaepernick had one good game and you fools are acting like he's a pro bowler. As usual Requiem your posts seriously make me wonder if you are retarded.

Again, in what world is a 100+ QB rating playing poorly? In what world is a 70% completion rate playing poorly? In what world is 13 touchdowns to 5 interceptions playing poorly? In Requiem's world apparently.

Cito Pelon
11-23-2012, 01:27 PM
I was looking at Kaepernick's career stats, and I see he was inserted in games last year as a rookie, so that should have told the team and fans he was being groomed to start as soon as possible. And I see he's played in seven games this year in spot duty, so that reinforces that Harbaugh has been grooming him to take over starting as soon as possible.

Now I guess Harbaugh is hoping he grabs the bull by the horns.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 01:37 PM
Uh, nearly all the ones that went Vernon Davis's way? The Crabtree TD?

Smith is of the same ilk as Orton, efficient when not turning the ball over... completely pedestrian in every other manner

I won't argue that Alex Smith has ever done anything to prove he's more than an efficient game manager. What I find bizarre is the notion that Kaepernick has proven he's better than an efficient game manager. To me Kaepernick has the potential of being more of a playmaker, but that is probably going to come with a lot more mistakes as well. A team with the defense and running game of the 49ers is better off with a proven game manager than a boom or bust guy. This isn't like replacing Kyle Orton after a losing streak. This is like replacing Orton in the middle of that 6 game win streak in 2009.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 01:40 PM
I was looking at Kaepernick's career stats, and I see he was inserted in games last year as a rookie, so that should have told the team and fans he was being groomed to start as soon as possible. And I see he's played in seven games this year in spot duty, so that reinforces that Harbaugh has been grooming him to take over starting as soon as possible.

Now I guess Harbaugh is hoping he grabs the bull by the horns.

Of course that's what it's really about. He wants to start his guy. It just seems like a very risky proposition to me.

Requiem
11-23-2012, 01:41 PM
I honestly don't think you ever post anything that is rational or intelligent. The consistency you show on the matter is remarkable honestly.

Not worried about what you think about me, Stevie Wonder.

Alex Smith has been extremely efficient and has been part of a lot of wins over the past two seasons (on a per pass basis--season totals are beyond his control as he doesn't call the plays). To act like that isn't true is beyond disingenuous. And to act like Kaepernick has done anything to really earn the starting job over him is laughable. Kaepernick had one good game and you fools are acting like he's a pro bowler. As usual Requiem your posts seriously make me wonder if you are retarded.

Again, in what world is a 100+ QB rating playing poorly? In what world is a 70% completion rate playing poorly? In what world is 13 touchdowns to 5 interceptions playing poorly? In Requiem's world apparently.

Blah, blah, blah. Gurgle, gurgle, gurgle.

This is what happens when armchair quarterbacks like you focus on the NFL.com stat lines instead of actually watching the games.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 01:48 PM
Not worried about what you think about me, Stevie Wonder.



Blah, blah, blah. Gurgle, gurgle, gurgle.

This is what happens when armchair quarterbacks like you focus on the NFL.com stat lines instead of actually watching the games.

I've watched enough games to see that he usually helps them win. But good job keeping up your standard of dude-bro bull**** posting.

Requiem
11-23-2012, 01:53 PM
I've watched enough games to see that he usually helps them win. But good job keeping up your standard of dude-bro bull**** posting.

Just like you watched the three Bears games and came to the conclusion that they were not a good team. You have a sixth graders understanding of the game of football. I should take screenshots of this coming weekends games on both sides of the ball and quiz you on the packages and formations we run. Bet you would fail.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 02:07 PM
Just like you watched the three Bears games and came to the conclusion that they were not a good team. You have a sixth graders understanding of the game of football. I should take screenshots of this coming weekends games on both sides of the ball and quiz you on the packages and formations we run. Bet you would fail.

So you watch the Bears beat up on ****ty teams, and you think your take is better? Seriously dude you are laughable. Oh and the thought of you quizzing me makes me laugh. What does a quiz made up by a monkey look like exactly?

Requiem
11-23-2012, 02:12 PM
So you watch the Bears beat up on ****ty teams, and you think your take is better? Seriously dude you are laughable. Oh and the thought of you quizzing me makes me laugh. What does a quiz made up by a monkey look like exactly?

Zeus (me) to a Cronos (you).

Cito Pelon
11-23-2012, 02:29 PM
Of course that's what it's really about. He wants to start his guy. It just seems like a very risky proposition to me.

It's risky, but the team and staff had seen Kaepernick in 9 reg season games before and he'd been deliberately inserted, not as a result of injury to Smith. Everybody on the team knew Kaepernick was gonna be the starter soon. So it's not like they were unprepared for this eventuality, it's not like it was a surprise panic move.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 07:09 PM
It's risky, but the team and staff had seen Kaepernick in 9 reg season games before and he'd been deliberately inserted, not as a result of injury to Smith. Everybody on the team knew Kaepernick was gonna be the starter soon. So it's not like they were unprepared for this eventuality, it's not like it was a surprise panic move.

That's not why it's risky. It's risky because Alex Smith has been doing exactly what a team like that needs: providing efficient, mistake-free quarterbacking to support the run game and defense. Kaepernick is almost certainly not going to provide that kind of reliability. He may make more plays (we shall see), but he will almost certainly make more mistakes as well. And ultimately, this may poison the well for any return to Smith in the future. Maybe it'll work out, but when you are playing as well as the 49ers are, this kind of risk makes no sense.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-23-2012, 07:27 PM
That's not why it's risky. It's risky because Alex Smith has been doing exactly what a team like that needs: providing efficient, mistake-free quarterbacking to support the run game and defense. Kaepernick is almost certainly not going to provide that kind of reliability. He may make more plays (we shall see), but he will almost certainly make more mistakes as well. And ultimately, this may poison the well for any return to Smith in the future. Maybe it'll work out, but when you are playing as well as the 49ers are, this kind of risk makes no sense.

Good post.

Mogulseeker
11-23-2012, 07:30 PM
Benching a QB for another one in a Super Bowl contending season usually backfires, but it's not like Alex Smith was lighting things up.

The exception of course is when Belichick benched Bledsoe for Brady and won the Superbowl in 2001.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 07:36 PM
Benching a QB for another one in a Super Bowl contending season usually backfires, but it's not like Alex Smith was lighting things up.

The exception of course is when Belichick benched Bledsoe for Brady and won the Superbowl in 2001.

People keep saying stuff like that, but when a QB is getting 20-25 attempts per game, that's not what you should be expecting.

DBroncos4life
11-23-2012, 07:37 PM
Benching a QB for another one in a Super Bowl contending season usually backfires, but it's not like Alex Smith was lighting things up.

The exception of course is when Belichick benched Bledsoe for Brady and won the Superbowl in 2001.

If by Belichick benching Bledsoe you mean Mo Lewis crushing Bledsoe and hurting him so Brady took over then I agree.

baja
11-23-2012, 07:43 PM
If by Belichick benching Bledsoe you mean Mo Lewis crushing Bledsoe and hurting him so Brady took over then I agree.

True but he never got back on the field and the next season Bledsoe was traded Buffalo for some nice picks. A 1st and ?

Cache Glades
11-23-2012, 07:54 PM
If by Belichick benching Bledsoe you mean Mo Lewis crushing Bledsoe and hurting him so Brady took over then I agree.

Amen. Lol!!! Couldn't have said it better

DBroncos4life
11-23-2012, 07:55 PM
True but he never got back on the field and the next season Bledsoe was traded Buffalo for some nice picks. A 1st and ?

Bledsoe was hurt in week two though not in the middle of the season like Smith.

baja
11-23-2012, 08:05 PM
Bledsoe was hurt in week two though not in the middle of the season like Smith.

That's what I'm saying. Bledsoe was healthy and able to play around mid season I believe but he never saw the field again as a Patriot.


What did Buffalo give up for him being it was an intra division trade. Musta been a bunch. I kinda remember.

Edit it was a 1st.

extralife
11-23-2012, 08:21 PM
What passes exactly did he make that Alex Smith can't make? Are you honestly claiming that a guy who is averaging 8 yards per pass only ever throws check downs?

I am a Niners fan. This post is hilarious.

Cito Pelon
11-23-2012, 08:30 PM
That's not why it's risky. It's risky because Alex Smith has been doing exactly what a team like that needs: providing efficient, mistake-free quarterbacking to support the run game and defense. Kaepernick is almost certainly not going to provide that kind of reliability. He may make more plays (we shall see), but he will almost certainly make more mistakes as well. And ultimately, this may poison the well for any return to Smith in the future. Maybe it'll work out, but when you are playing as well as the 49ers are, this kind of risk makes no sense.

Yeah, I see that. It's gonna be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't know if it's a good move or not. I was hoping Denver would grab Kaepernick at #36 but they traded the pick to SF, so I have a biased view about the whole thing. My interest is in how Kaepernick does vs. The Dream and Quinton Carter.

Agamemnon
11-23-2012, 08:33 PM
I am a Niners fan. This post is hilarious.

Ah yes. Because fans never develop hyperbolic perceptions of their players.

Alex Smith always throws check downs = Knowshon Moreno always dances in the backfield and runs into his blockers' backs

DBroncos4life
11-23-2012, 08:55 PM
That's what I'm saying. Bledsoe was healthy and able to play around mid season I believe but he never saw the field again as a Patriot.


What did Buffalo give up for him being it was an intra division trade. Musta been a bunch. I kinda remember.

Edit it was a 1st.

Brady was hurt in the AFC championship game that year and Drew stepped in and helped finish the game.

baja
11-23-2012, 09:01 PM
Brady was hurt in the AFC championship game that year and Drew stepped in and helped finish the game.

You'e right I read the same when I looked it up he did play in the AFCC and they won. I like the part of the story that they remained friends and Bledsoe was all class about the situation

extralife
11-23-2012, 09:05 PM
Alex Smith always throws check downs = Knowshon Moreno always dances in the backfield and runs into his blockers' backs

they both sound pretty right to me

Agamemnon
11-24-2012, 02:16 PM
they both sound pretty right to me

A career average of 4.1 yards per carry off of dancing around and running into linemen. Sounds as ludicrous as an 8 yard per pass average off of only check downs. But at least your consistent.

extralife
11-24-2012, 05:01 PM
4.1 average! be still, my heart!

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-24-2012, 05:13 PM
A career average of 4.1 yards per carry off of dancing around and running into linemen. Sounds as ludicrous as an 8 yard per pass average off of only check downs. But at least your consistent.

How many passes has Smith thrown past 15 yards? Not including YACs which have dramatically increase that per average.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-24-2012, 05:17 PM
What passes exactly did he make that Alex Smith can't make? Are you honestly claiming that a guy who is averaging 8 yards per pass only ever throws check downs?

I've watched every SF game the last 2 years. It would be wise to do the same before making these statements. What better way to see if your logic is right than to post it on SF fan forums? I guarantee it would get shot down. Smith simply cannot make the downfield throws and that SF fanbase knows it.

A QB throws a screen and they run it 80 yards. How's his yards per going to look?

Last year Alex averaged 2.8 pass attempts per game of 20 or more yards. Hardly throwing downfield.

This year started out no different. Watching the first 3 games, he had 92 pass attempts. Only 4 of them traveled more than 20 yards. It's simply not true that he throws downfield.