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OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 12:58 PM
I was never especially fond of Paul Tagliabue but at least he was smart enough to let the product showcase itself while he remained in the background. Now there's this clown.

lonestar
11-22-2012, 01:04 PM
I was never especially fond of Paul Tagliabue but at least he was smart enough to let the product showcase itself while he remained in the background. Now there's this clown.

He is doing a great job.. just because he makes calls you do not like does not call for calling him a clown..

HE just got a brand new long term contract from the owners of the NFL..

Did you ever start to stop and think, maybe they like what he is doing..

I'm sure they would love to hear what you think.. NFL.com/contactus

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 01:07 PM
A competent commissioner would avoid a lockout. I don't see Goodell doing a fantastic job at all. Just average.

Blaming HD for attendance drop? Maybe that's a small percentage. Insane ticket prices and lousy product on the field is a bigger reason.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 01:08 PM
He is doing a great job.. just because he makes calls you do not like does not call for calling him a clown..

HE just got a brand new long term contract from the owners of the NFL..

Did you ever start to stop and think, maybe they like what he is doing..

I'm sure they would love to hear what you think.. NFL.com/contactus

Speaking of clownshows...

But yeah, since a majority of the leagues revenue comes from TV contracts, it's not really surprising that he would get this considering he's letting CBS run his league.

Agamemnon
11-22-2012, 01:10 PM
His London shenanigans are enough for me to hate the guy. When teams start losing home games to play in front of the Brits, you have officially betrayed the true fans of the league for a few extra quid.

Go **** yourself Goodell.

OBF1
11-22-2012, 01:10 PM
I was never especially fond of Paul Tagliabue but at least he was smart enough to let the product showcase itself while he remained in the background. Now there's this clown.


I am by no way agreeing with Lonestar, But what has Goodell done that has hurt the NFL? The people that employe him are not having any issues that I have heard about, The only ones that complain are the players that are always getting in trouble and fined for their actions.... and the knuckleheads with no clue. Which NFL team do you play for :rofl:

Agamemnon
11-22-2012, 01:12 PM
I am by no way agreeing with Lonestar, But what has Goodell done that has hurt the NFL? The people that employe him are not having any issues that I have heard about, The only ones that complain are the players that are always getting in trouble and fined for their actions.... and the knuckleheads with no clue. Which NFL team do you play for :rofl:

Ultimately, the fans are more important than the players or the owners. Goodell's NFL doesn't get that unfortunately.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 01:16 PM
Ultimately, the fans are more important than the players or the owners. Goodell's NFL doesn't get that unfortunately.

I have never heard one cheer for him. Ever. It's embarrassing watching him walk on the stage in a draft.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 01:19 PM
I am by no way agreeing with Lonestar, But what has Goodell done that has hurt the NFL? The people that employe him are not having any issues that I have heard about, The only ones that complain are the players that are always getting in trouble and fined for their actions.... and the knuckleheads with no clue. Which NFL team do you play for :rofl:

I don't even know where to begin. But lets just start with every time a QB such as Manning or Brady has their season ended prematurely, there's no doubt a subsequent rule change. You can look at the OT rules that were a reaction to the Colts losing to the Chargers in the playoffs without Manning getting his hands on the ball. Or you can look at when Pollard blew up Brady's knee. And then when they make these rules, they completely lack foresight. They're so problematic that they have to make another iteration of rule changes that involves phrasing such as "forcible contact" (WTF-ever!).

Bob Kraft has an on the side relationship with CBS that should create a conflict of interest but in Goodell's NFL, this just means more money for the league coffers from Les Moonves. So then you get Goodell burning evidence against the Patriots that invalidates all of their SB wins, meanwhile, he is coming down on the Saints with an iron fist.

And lets also look at the here and now. What the NFL is today is a league where almost every holding call on a DE is ignored (to protect the QB), while at the same time, almost every 3rd down incompletion gets bailed out by a PI/defensive holding call.

And then, of course, there is "the process of making a catch".

OBF1
11-22-2012, 01:19 PM
Now... If you want to complain about high ticket prices, parking fee's that are plain crazy and the price of concessions I am totally on board with you guys, but that is not the commissioners doing. My biggest problems associated with the product that the NFL puts out is:

High ticket prices

The lack of support for die hard fans at the stadium. The stadium experience has gone to hell at Mile High since they displaced long time season ticket holders in favor of corporate money which brought us the wine and cheese crowd, that in turn brought us the "No standing" policy in the stands. I used to travel to Denver 2-5 times a season to watch my team play, but the experience has become and event I would rather watch at home or in a local sports bar.

I understand the reasoning for playing games in Mexico or oversea's ($$$) but I do not agree with it... and that my friends is not the commissioners doing, It is the wishes from those that pay his salary, The NFL owners.

You need to understand that he communicates the will of the owners when doing his job. So misplaced hate is just showing someones uneducated opinion when calling out Goodell.

gyldenlove
11-22-2012, 01:22 PM
Ultimately, the fans are more important than the players or the owners. Goodell's NFL doesn't get that unfortunately.

If that is the case then Goodell is doing an outstanding job. The NFL has increased its TV share every year under Goodell, it has increased its revenue each year under Goodell, outperforming inflation, the general economy and the other pro-sports leagues.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 01:23 PM
So Goodell himself doesn't want the NFL product in Europe? I have a hard time believing that.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 01:25 PM
Now... If you want to complain about high ticket prices, parking fee's that are plain crazy and the price of concessions I am totally on board with you guys, but that is not the commissioners doing. My biggest problems associated with the product that the NFL puts out is:

High ticket prices

The lack of support for die hard fans at the stadium. The stadium experience has gone to hell at Mile High since they displaced long time season ticket holders in favor of corporate money which brought us the wine and cheese crowd, that in turn brought us the "No standing" policy in the stands. I used to travel to Denver 2-5 times a season to watch my team play, but the experience has become and event I would rather watch at home or in a local sports bar.

I understand the reasoning for playing games in Mexico or oversea's ($$$) but I do not agree with it... and that my friends is not the commissioners doing, It is the wishes from those that pay his salary, The NFL owners.

You need to understand that he communicates the will of the owners when doing his job. So misplaced hate is just showing someones uneducated opinion when calling out Goodell.

So, you don't see the hypocrisy in having a spine when levying fines against only defensive players but totally lacking a spine when standing up to owners. If Goodell, is only facilitcating what the owners want, then why is he also qualified to exercise judment involving 100s of thousands of dollars in player fines/penatlies? Is he a clerk of the owners or is he occupying a position that gives him authority and respondibility?

Agamemnon
11-22-2012, 01:25 PM
If that is the case then Goodell is doing an outstanding job. The NFL has increased its TV share every year under Goodell, it has increased its revenue each year under Goodell, outperforming inflation, the general economy and the other pro-sports leagues.

Did Goodell personally invent the fantasy football phenomena? I must have missed that.

baja
11-22-2012, 01:28 PM
They should give me the job. I'd take away all equipment (like rugby) and make them play shirts & skins

Agamemnon
11-22-2012, 01:34 PM
Now... If you want to complain about high ticket prices, parking fee's that are plain crazy and the price of concessions I am totally on board with you guys, but that is not the commissioners doing. My biggest problems associated with the product that the NFL puts out is:

High ticket prices

The lack of support for die hard fans at the stadium. The stadium experience has gone to hell at Mile High since they displaced long time season ticket holders in favor of corporate money which brought us the wine and cheese crowd, that in turn brought us the "No standing" policy in the stands. I used to travel to Denver 2-5 times a season to watch my team play, but the experience has become and event I would rather watch at home or in a local sports bar.

I understand the reasoning for playing games in Mexico or oversea's ($$$) but I do not agree with it... and that my friends is not the commissioners doing, It is the wishes from those that pay his salary, The NFL owners.

You need to understand that he communicates the will of the owners when doing his job. So misplaced hate is just showing someones uneducated opinion when calling out Goodell.

You have an overly simplistic take on the matter. Goodell has a lot of power. Power that was given to him by the owners in a democratic process. Individual owners can and do disagree with him on many things, but he was voted in and the league's current profitability makes it unlikely that they will vote him out any time soon.

DBroncos4life
11-22-2012, 01:50 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3733899&postcount=64

Hope this helps you find the answer.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 01:53 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3733899&postcount=64

Hope this helps you find the answer.

ROFL!

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 01:57 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3733899&postcount=64

Hope this helps you find the answer.

Unlike your question, I have pretty firm ideas on why Goodell sucks...which makes it a rhetorical question. But you'd have to be knowledgeable enough to have "rhetorical question" in your vocabulary before you could google it. Nevertheless, therein lies the massive distinction.

DBroncos4life
11-22-2012, 02:01 PM
Unlike your question, I have pretty firm ideas on why Goodell sucks...which makes it a rhetorical question. But you'd have to be knowledgeable enough to have "rhetorical question" in your vocabulary before you could google it. Nevertheless, therein lies the massive distinction.

What question did I ask? Don't worry dude you might be smart enough to figure it out!!!

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 02:04 PM
What question did I ask? Don't worry dude you might be smart enough to figure it out!!!

You don't remember what you asked in the other thread? So sad. You've already admitted that it was a legitimate question because you were too lazy to google it.

Nice try.

DBroncos4life
11-22-2012, 02:06 PM
You don't remember what you asked in the other thread? So sad. You've already admitted that it was a legitimate question because you were too lazy to google it.

Nice try.

Different poster with a similar name. Keep plugging away with that dictionary slugger you're clearly about to the S's!

I guess I over estimated you.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 02:07 PM
Different poster with a similar name. Keep plugging away with that dictionary slugger you're clearly about to the S's!

You're a failure in the other thread and you're a failure here. Good day!

baja
11-22-2012, 02:11 PM
You're a failure in the other thread and you're a failure here. Good day!

Nothing like Thanksgiving to bring out the brotherly love.

Thanksgiving - Google it.

Inkana7
11-22-2012, 02:11 PM
He is doing a great job.. just because he makes calls you do not like does not call for calling him a clown..

HE just got a brand new long term contract from the owners of the NFL..

Did you ever start to stop and think, maybe they like what he is doing..

I'm sure they would love to hear what you think.. NFL.com/contactus

Well that cements it. You are the worst poster on this board.

DBroncos4life
11-22-2012, 02:18 PM
Nothing like Thanksgiving to bring out the brotherly love.

Thanksgiving - Google it.

Lol that guy was blasting another poster in the game thread and thinks I him.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 02:19 PM
Nothing like Thanksgiving to bring out the brotherly love.

Thanksgiving - Google it.

Bleh, I'd rather have holidays that didn't shove puritanical values in everyone's faces.

baja
11-22-2012, 02:27 PM
Bleh, I'd rather have holidays that didn't shove puritanical values in everyone's faces.

Ya let's have a gay porn day

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 02:30 PM
Ya let's have a gay porn day

Are you into that?

baja
11-22-2012, 02:32 PM
Are you into that?

Of course. Isn't everyone.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 02:41 PM
Of course. Isn't everyone.

Well, Im having some Malbec, which I doubt the puritans did. But, as you're thankful for gay porn, Im thankful for other indulgences.

lonestar
11-22-2012, 03:07 PM
I have never heard one cheer for him. Ever. It's embarrassing watching him walk on the stage in a draft.

But you note the smile on his face. That is because he know those boos are making him 10 million a year.

Let us stop pointing the finger at Goodell he is doing what the owners paid him to do.

It was not his decision to call a lockout. Or to fine players, coaches.
Or suspend players.

He is doing his job , enforcing the rules and carrying out the demands of the owners that hired him.

He could NOT talk a few owners out of the lock out, for that matter it is not HIS job to do so..

You do not blame cop for writing tickets on violations or arresting someone that has broken the law.

You do not throw the lawyer in jail if his client does something dumb.

Why blame Goodell for doing what he was hired to do and call him names for it. Seems childish to me.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 03:11 PM
But you note the smile on his face. That is because he know those boos are making him 10 million a year.

Let us stop pointing the finger at Goodell he is doing what the owners paid him to do.

It was not his decision to call a lockout. Or to fine players, coaches.
Or suspend players.

He is doing his job , enforcing the rules and carrying out the demands of the owners that hired him.

He could NOT talk a few owners out of the lock out, for that matter it is not HIS job to do so..

You do not blame cop for writing tickets on violations or arresting someone that has broken the law.

You do not throw the lawyer in jail if his client does something dumb.

Why blame Goodell for doing what he was hired to do and call him names for it. Seems childish to me.

No offense but you really seem like a clueless dumbf*ck from the middle of no where that isn't smart enough to realize that he talks too much.

lonestar
11-22-2012, 03:18 PM
You have an overly simplistic take on the matter. Goodell has a lot of power. Power that was given to him by the owners in a democratic process. Individual owners can and do disagree with him on many things, but he was voted in and the league's current profitability makes it unlikely that they will vote him out any time soon.

The power given to him is to enforce the rules and regulations the owners MADE.

That is all. Period zip NaDA. He is the enforcer.. Sometimes those rules go against an owner, team or player. But those are the rules that got passed by a IIRC 2/3 vote of the owners. Not 1 guy, not 5 but 2/3's of 32 owners.

As for the last part of your statement. That is the heart and soul of being in business.

lonestar
11-22-2012, 03:20 PM
No offense but you really seem like a clueless dumb**** from the middle of no where that isn't smart enough to realize that he talks too much.

Ah another forum cop.

Ask me if I care or take offense from a moron.

OrangeSe7en
11-22-2012, 03:26 PM
Ah another forum cop.

Ask me if I care or take offense from a moron.

Why would I ask you that? It's not like Im sitting around wondering if you care. I was just trying to help you out by pointing out the obvious.

lonestar
11-22-2012, 03:26 PM
Well that cements it. You are the worst poster on this board.

Just guessing you ve never held a position with any authority to make decisions othe than what do I eat for breakfast poptarts or captin crunch.

I'll give you bit of advise since you live in a glass house, DO NOT THROW STONES.

BTW the owners would not be paying him $10,000,000.00 a year if they did not hunk he was great.


What a maroon.

Inkana7
11-22-2012, 03:35 PM
Just guessing you ve never held a position with any authority to make decisions othe than what do I eat for breakfast poptarts or captin crunch.

I'll give you bit of advise since you live in a glass house, DO NOT THROW STONES.

BTW the owners would not be paying him $10,000,000.00 a year if they did not hunk he was great.


What a maroon.

What the owners think doesn't matter for me, because they're awful too. The NFL, and every pro sport league, should care more about the product than anything else because it is the fans that drive the economy of the sport. And what Goodell and the owners have done is basically show that they give zero ****s what we think, be it regarding player safety, games in London and abroad, and especially with the way they handled the player and ref lockouts.

What Goodell is paid literally means nothing to this discussion. But I appreciate the advice, and in return I'll give you some of my own: go away, stop posting, and when you do post, stop pulling the "I'M OLD AND RICH" routine. No one cares, and no one would read your posts if they didn't make up 40% of every thread.

btw DJ 4 lyfe

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 03:35 PM
But you note the smile on his face. That is because he know those boos are making him 10 million a year.

Let us stop pointing the finger at Goodell he is doing what the owners paid him to do.

It was not his decision to call a lockout. Or to fine players, coaches.
Or suspend players.

He is doing his job , enforcing the rules and carrying out the demands of the owners that hired him.

He could NOT talk a few owners out of the lock out, for that matter it is not HIS job to do so..

You do not blame cop for writing tickets on violations or arresting someone that has broken the law.

You do not throw the lawyer in jail if his client does something dumb.

Why blame Goodell for doing what he was hired to do and call him names for it. Seems childish to me.

But I can blame a CEO or manager for a business failing or the lack of quality of a product being put out. It's naive to think Goodell has zero power in this league. He enforces fines, then is the appealer? I agree to an extent that there's alot more power in this league that isn't him, but he has power

Hamrob
11-22-2012, 04:21 PM
Goodell is like that little fat kid...that got so upset because he couldn't compete with the other kids. You give him a little power and he starts to carry out his own agenda. Here's goodell, "If the NFL were only a flag football league, I may have been able to compete". What we have as commissioner.....is a soccer mom!!!

USMCBladerunner
11-22-2012, 05:01 PM
I don't even know where to begin. But lets just start with every time a QB such as Manning or Brady has their season ended prematurely, there's no doubt a subsequent rule change. You can look at the OT rules that were a reaction to the Colts losing to the Chargers in the playoffs without Manning getting his hands on the ball. Or you can look at when Pollard blew up Brady's knee. And then when they make these rules, they completely lack foresight. They're so problematic that they have to make another iteration of rule changes that involves phrasing such as "forcible contact" (WTF-ever!).

This is the domain of the NFL Rules Commitee, not the commissioner.

Bob Kraft has an on the side relationship with CBS that should create a conflict of interest but in Goodell's NFL, this just means more money for the league coffers from Les Moonves. Valid, though precisely how that conflict of interest negatively affects the league is unclear.


So then you get Goodell burning evidence against the Patriots that invalidates all of their SB wins, meanwhile, he is coming down on the Saints with an iron fist. Burning evidence? What are you talking about?


And lets also look at the here and now. What the NFL is today is a league where almost every holding call on a DE is ignored (to protect the QB), while at the same time, almost every 3rd down incompletion gets bailed out by a PI/defensive holding call.

NFL Rules committee again. Not the commissioners responsibility.

And then, of course, there is "the process of making a catch".

See above. You seem to have misplaced your displeasure. You ought to know more about the machine if you are going to rage against it.

GreatBronco16
11-22-2012, 05:39 PM
You guys sit here and complain about the Commish, the owners the players, this board, other fans............etc.


But you know what? Every week, you turn your tube to the ball game and sit there and watch, buy some tickets and catch a game, go to a store and buy up some NFL merch.

It's kinda funny to watch you guys.:rofl:

Hamrob
11-22-2012, 06:00 PM
You guys sit here and complain about the Commish, the owners the players, this board, other fans............etc.


But you know what? Every week, you turn your tube to the ball game and sit there and watch, buy some tickets and catch a game, go to a store and buy up some NFL merch.

It's kinda funny to watch you guys.:rofl:Are you watching us while wearing your favorite pair of pink panties???

Dismount Goodell and STF up!

errand
11-22-2012, 08:11 PM
So Goodell himself doesn't want the NFL product in Europe? I have a hard time believing that.

what would he care? He's still the commissioner regardless if there's a team in Europe or not....

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 08:16 PM
what would he care? He's still the commissioner regardless if there's a team in Europe or not....

So he's pushing it for reasons other than benefiting the NFL? If it benefits the NFL it benefits him. Sheer legacy. Years from now when were all dead people look back and he's the face that pioneered a migration into the rest of the world.

errand
11-22-2012, 08:19 PM
So, you don't see the hypocrisy in having a spine when levying fines against only defensive players but totally lacking a spine when standing up to owners. If Goodell, is only facilitcating what the owners want, then why is he also qualified to exercise judment involving 100s of thousands of dollars in player fines/penatlies? Is he a clerk of the owners or is he occupying a position that gives him authority and respondibility?

He is an agent of the NFL, and he has 32 bosses.....how that is so ****ing hard to understand is beyond me. I double dog dare you to walk into your boss' office and tell him you aren't gonna do what he tells you to do....but feel free to act like you would.

He's allowed to dole out the penalties because individual teams shouldn't be allowed to dish out fines when it involves hits on other players from other teams. You think Rooney would ever fine Polomalu enough for a cheap shot?

theAPAOps5
11-22-2012, 08:19 PM
A competent commissioner would avoid a lockout.

No they wouldn't, a good commissioner makes sure to establish rules and policy as dictated by his bosses. His bosses are the owners. His bosses wanted certain concessions under the CBA and were willing to enact a lockout to get there. The commish followed the guidelines dictated by the owners and was successful. Which by definition is competence in ones job.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 08:21 PM
You guys sit here and complain about the Commish, the owners the players, this board, other fans............etc.


But you know what? Every week, you turn your tube to the ball game and sit there and watch, buy some tickets and catch a game, go to a store and buy up some NFL merch.

It's kinda funny to watch you guys.:rofl:

This sounds like a twisted form of voyeurism

errand
11-22-2012, 08:23 PM
So he's pushing it for reasons other than benefiting the NFL? If it benefits the NFL it benefits him. Sheer legacy. Years from now when were all dead people look back and he's the face that pioneered a migration into the rest of the world.


He's not pushing it...his bosses are. He works for the owners of the NFL....and he like every other employee does what his boss tells him to do, or he's no longer employed.

some of you guys act like you've never had anyone to answer to before.....

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 08:25 PM
He's not pushing it...his bosses are. He works for the owners of the NFL....and he like every other employee does what his boss tells him to do, or he's no longer employed.

some of you guys act like you've never had anyone to answer to before.....

So do you put Selig and Stern in the same light? Just employees? It's naive to think these people do not influence these sports.

DBroncos4life
11-22-2012, 08:27 PM
He's not pushing it...his bosses are. He works for the owners of the NFL....and he like every other employee does what his boss tells him to do, or he's no longer employed.

some of you guys act like you've never had anyone to answer to before.....

What owner besides Kraft is pushing the NFL Europe idea.

errand
11-22-2012, 08:30 PM
But I can blame a CEO or manager for a business failing or the lack of quality of a product being put out. It's naive to think Goodell has zero power in this league. He enforces fines, then is the appealer? I agree to an extent that there's alot more power in this league that isn't him, but he has power

The league isn't failing...a couple of teams aren't doing as well as others are, but the NFL as a whole is doing great....i mean isn't that why everyone bitches about the $$$$

Chris
11-22-2012, 08:33 PM
His London shenanigans are enough for me to hate the guy. When teams start losing home games to play in front of the Brits, you have officially betrayed the true fans of the league for a few extra quid.

Go **** yourself Goodell.

funny that you said quid.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 08:36 PM
The league isn't failing...a couple of teams aren't doing as well as others are, but the NFL as a whole is doing great....i mean isn't that why everyone b****es about the $$$$

According to Goodell attendance is dropping everywhere and it's HD technology's fault. Ha!

errand
11-22-2012, 08:37 PM
So do you put Selig and Stern in the same light? Just employees? It's naive to think these people do not influence these sports.

Whats does how the NBA or MLB are run have to do with the NFL and the way it's ran?

Last time I looked the NFL has become the envy of the other national sports leagues...which means they must being doing something right.

If the NFL and the way it's being run bothers people...then find something else to watch.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 08:40 PM
Whats does how the NBA or MLB are run have to do with the NFL and the way it's ran?

Last time I looked the NFL has become the envy of the other national sports leagues...which means they must being doing something right.

If the NFL and the way it's being run bothers people...then find something else to watch.

Why are you getting upset? Stern and Selig are commissioners. By definition that means they are just employees of owners? They single handily ruin their sports. Goodell has the same power he's just a bit better than those 2 bozos.

errand
11-22-2012, 08:51 PM
According to Goodell attendance is dropping everywhere and it's HD technology's fault. Ha!

That doesn't mean the league is failing.......some teams are having a hard time selling out their games, but it's not just because of the costs to the average fans....you think if SD was 7-3 and in first place they wouldn't sell out their games too?

Fielding winning teams will cure some of the asses in seats problem the NFL has.

And the NFL makes money from TV , advertising, and team gear bought up by hard core and casual fans alike, etc....

theAPAOps5
11-22-2012, 08:51 PM
What owner besides Kraft is pushing the NFL Europe idea.

The owner of said future NFL Europe franchise! :)

errand
11-22-2012, 08:55 PM
Why are you getting upset? Stern and Selig are commissioners. By definition that means they are just employees of owners? They single handily ruin their sports. Goodell has the same power he's just a bit better than those 2 bozos.

not upset....

just because one league's commissioner sucks doesn't mean the other league's commissioner does. Just because one commissioner is ruining his league doesn't mean Goodell is ruining the NFL or would ruin it.

errand
11-22-2012, 08:59 PM
So do you put Selig and Stern in the same light? Just employees? It's naive to think these people do not influence these sports.

Their influence isn't on the scale you seem to think it is.

Everything the league does has to be approved by the owners....because you know, they actually own the teams affected by any and every thing the league does or doesn't do.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-22-2012, 09:05 PM
not upset....

just because one league's commissioner sucks doesn't mean the other league's commissioner does. Just because one commissioner is ruining his league doesn't mean Goodell is ruining the NFL or would ruin it.

It's not pointing out they suck its pointing out how a commissioner has an influence on their sport. Why even have a commissioner then? A committee could hand out fines and anyone could announce a draft

RhymesayersDU
11-22-2012, 09:46 PM
No offense but you really seem like a clueless dumb**** from the middle of no where that isn't smart enough to realize that he talks too much.

How can any of that be taken with "no offense?"

lonestar
11-23-2012, 12:27 AM
He is an agent of the NFL, and he has 32 bosses.....how that is so ****ing hard to understand is beyond me. I double dog dare you to walk into your boss' office and tell him you aren't gonna do what he tells you to do....but feel free to act like you would.

He's allowed to dole out the penalties because individual teams shouldn't be allowed to dish out fines when it involves hits on other players from other teams. You think Rooney would ever fine Polomalu enough for a cheap shot?

Good post not sure why this moke can not figure this out, other than the following..

Probably does not work, so answering to a boss is a foreign concept.

lonestar
11-23-2012, 12:33 AM
How can any of that be taken with "no offense?"

He/she is not as bright as he/she thinks.

OrangeSe7en
11-23-2012, 06:09 PM
Whats does how the NBA or MLB are run have to do with the NFL and the way it's ran?

Last time I looked the NFL has become the envy of the other national sports leagues...which means they must being doing something right.
If the NFL and the way it's being run bothers people...then find something else to watch.

No, it doesn't mean that at all. It means football, as a sport, has more appeal than other sports. In case you didn't know, college football is also the most popular college sport by a wide margin.

Yeah, it really takes a genius to sell football, especially when it's popularity was increasing prior to Goodell even becoming the commissioner.

rbackfactory80
11-23-2012, 08:33 PM
Roger sucks, OP is right.

Cito Pelon
11-23-2012, 08:56 PM
Does Goodell's contract last longer than the current CBA? Somehow or another he made a 10-yr CBA, that's something nobody else did before. We can nitpick the other things, but that's quite an accomplishment.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-23-2012, 09:21 PM
A competent commissioner would avoid a lockout. I don't see Goodell doing a fantastic job at all. Just average.

Blaming HD for attendance drop? Maybe that's a small percentage. Insane ticket prices and lousy product on the field is a bigger reason.

he did wtf reminds me of when vcr came out and movie theaters were scared of that and tried to have it banned .
history is full of old people who are afraid of change .
perhaps he should retire and someone younger should step in.
someone who isnt irrational

rugbythug
11-23-2012, 10:59 PM
I like Goodell. He is in a tough position, he has to take the game to a place it needs to be before the public recognizes that it needed to be there. If you wan the game to be anything more than an American sport you need international teams, If you want the game to be safe enough for me to let my kid play you need less head hunting. Not every move is as deft as it could be but by and large he knows what he has and the ultimate direction it needs to go in.

broncofan4life
11-24-2012, 08:02 AM
I think Goodell has done a great job not every decision he makes is a popular one but overall I agree with him it's a honor to play in the NFL not a right. The only people that have a problem with him are the ones that get in trouble. I don't agree with all the games in London but overall he's a really good commissioner.

lonestar
11-24-2012, 10:44 AM
I think Goodell has done a great job not every decision he makes is a popular one but overall I agree with him it's a honor to play in the NFL not a right. The only people that have a problem with him are the ones that get in trouble. I don't agree with all the games in London but overall he's a really good commissioner.

Good post. Let me add decisions are not all that arbitrary he is doing his job as set out be the owners.
They wanted to crack down on head hits for whatever reason, be it PR or out of figuring out that they lose big money each week their stars do not play. Myslef I'd guess it the latter vs some morons that just think it is because of liability sake.

As for the Europe thing he would not be pushing the added expense the teams have as well as the league spends to play the games there if it was just his agenda. Nor would the owners do so if they did not have long term plans of being there.

I just do not understand the hate for the guy because of the simple reason that he is paid well for doing his job. It must be jealousy or petty hate because their FAV player did something stupid and got fined or suspended.

Cache Glades
11-24-2012, 11:02 AM
According to Goodell attendance is dropping everywhere and it's HD technology's fault. Ha!


Boom!! yep, i couldnt agree more. As Meatlof would say... "You took the words right out of my mouth"

cutthemdown
11-24-2012, 12:33 PM
if they make blocks beloww knees illegal the game will never be the same.