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jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:15 PM
Even though they lose yardage, I love seeing another int for Rivers
THIS. More Rivers QBR in toilet

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:15 PM
I'm not mad at Leonhard. Just put this game away

Chris
11-18-2012, 05:16 PM
incomplete would have been better.
I thikn that's dumb football on their part. 9 min left, 4th and 14, 2 scores down, you punt.

Especially if you're ol lead legged leonhard.

BowlenBall
11-18-2012, 05:16 PM
Defense has been great today... can't believe how we'll they've been playing the past month!

Harvitz81
11-18-2012, 05:16 PM
yes, the pick cost us yards - but that really riles the team up. I'm all for picks in that situation as it just rallies the troops. Run that clock out now!!

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:16 PM
C'mon let's have a nice fumble or pick 6 here....

canadianbroncosfan
11-18-2012, 05:16 PM
you guys need to lighten up

No ****

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:17 PM
you guys need to lighten up

Plays that cost you yardage are bad. Period.

sgbfan
11-18-2012, 05:17 PM
Yes, an INT on Rivers stat sheet is so much more important than 20+ yards in field position. ::)

I hate Rivers that much, yes.

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:17 PM
incomplete would have been better.
I thikn that's dumb football on their part. 9 min left, 4th and 14, 2 scores down, you punt.

Agreed. But that's why Norv's key card won't work at Chargers HQ tomorrow morning.

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:17 PM
PFM only has about 250 yds thus far. I am disappoint.

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:18 PM
Ball looking pretty good today

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:18 PM
7:00 left in the Norv Turner Era?

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:18 PM
It's Hurry Hurry Hut everytime WTF change it up

TDmvp
11-18-2012, 05:18 PM
No ****

A lot of people here have that better fan than you orange and blue sticks up their @$$... It's a game day tradition .

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:19 PM
I'm really not seeing much with this Hillman kid. Where are the moves he was supposed to have?

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:19 PM
They have gone conservative. But they are eating clock so I'll accept it.

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:19 PM
I'm really not seeing much with this Hillman kid. Where are the moves he was supposed to have?

sprinter speed

Lycan
11-18-2012, 05:19 PM
Lance Ball? Is that Lance Ball running for positive yards?

That's got to just be embarrassing for San Diego.

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
What a throw

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Nice!

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Was there an OL there at all? I didn't see any resistance.

ElwayMD
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Can Kuper come back now?

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Manning PA, I thought for sure it was gonna be a conservative handoff. NOPE!

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
It's Hurry Hurry Hut everytime WTF change it up

He has drawn them off a couple times today what is the problem?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
3rd and 18. No problem

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Manning to Tamme ="Vanilla Ice"

swaiy
11-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Ramirez is terrible lmao

jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:21 PM
"he will not risk a turnover"....
*pass over middle of field into traffic.

eat words

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:21 PM
That looked helmet to helmet...

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:22 PM
He has drawn them off a couple times today what is the problem?

They are keying off on it watch

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:22 PM
Manning will be sore. He got drilled on that play

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:22 PM
sprinter speed

He's a 4.4 guy. His speed isn't that remarkable.

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:23 PM
LOL no RB

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:23 PM
That happened after a timeout?

spiralism
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
On you Prater...

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
He's a 4.4 guy. His speed isn't that remarkable.

He broke one for 21 today.

Your just mad he is contributing more than KM

jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
I like that Fox has green lighted this drive as a "manning drive" and not a "just eat clock drive". We'll need that come playoffs

Lycan
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
Hillman has a 20+ yard run and a 11 yard catch and run. He's gotten 9 carries.

What do you people want from him?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
Was that John Fox's bonehead moment of the game? Wrong or not enough personnel on the field after a timeout?

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
Oh that's sad.

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
Announcer had best line of the day: "Manning makes all of us better. Including the coaching staff" So damn true. Without Manning, Broncos would be under .500 and Fox would be on the hot seat.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:24 PM
Ramirez is terrible lmao

Nah, he's what you expect for a backup lineman. There's usually a reason they are backups, and it's not because they are dominant blockers.

Heyneck
11-18-2012, 05:25 PM
Ramirez is terrible lmao

koppen is the one struggling my friend...

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:26 PM
Hillman has a 20+ yard run and a 11 yard catch and run. He's gotten 9 carries.

What do you people want from him?

I want to see him make some people miss. Right now he's looking like a Tatum Bell-type guy to me. In other words, he can get yardage with big holes, but not much else.

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:26 PM
Wrap it up, drop Phyllis a couple more times for funsies.

DBroncos4life
11-18-2012, 05:26 PM
Hillman has a 20+ yard run and a 11 yard catch and run. He's gotten 9 carries.

What do you people want from him?

1000 yards in a game or he is dead to me :)

Broncos_OTM
11-18-2012, 05:26 PM
Im willis had stayed in the game we would have been better off. However denver still driving on them with a minimul ground game against a good defense is encoragjng

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:26 PM
Wrap it up, drop Phyllis a couple more times for funsies.

Pick 6 :strong:

cabronco
11-18-2012, 05:27 PM
That happened after a timeout?


That was pretty bad. PM was pissed at the time out, prolly grill a Porterhouse on his forehead after that next play.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-18-2012, 05:27 PM
Phyllis punked again. :thumbs:

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:27 PM
Is failing to recover onside kick a turnover in the boxscore?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:27 PM
1000 yards in a game or he is dead to me :)

I want to see him run on one leg

baja
11-18-2012, 05:27 PM
Boom goes the vondoom

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:27 PM
Mathews looked like KM there.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:28 PM
He broke one for 21 today.

Your just mad he is contributing more than KM

You think I'm a KM fan? Not hating the guy irrationally like most on this board hardly makes me a KM fan. I just want to see the small, shifty back actually make some people miss in the open field. Is that too much to ask?

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:29 PM
Look for some deep ones...

DBroncos4life
11-18-2012, 05:29 PM
I want to see him run on one leg

Hilarious! nice

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-18-2012, 05:29 PM
Defense!

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:29 PM
You think I'm a KM fan? Not hating the guy irrationally like most on this board hardly makes me a KM fan. I just want to see the small, shifty back actually make some people miss in the open field. Is that too much to ask?

Not worth it when there is a 10% chance of fumbling every time he gets a touch.

maher_tyler
11-18-2012, 05:30 PM
Wow! They called holding!

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:30 PM
Disappointing defense here.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:30 PM
Im sorry, after vons last three games, how is he only the "best defensive player after JJ Watt"

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:31 PM
With a 3 game lead and Peyton Manning The Denver Broncos are your AFCW Champs more than likely

Harvitz81
11-18-2012, 05:32 PM
Im sorry, after vons last three games, how is he only the "best defensive player after JJ Watt"

No ****!!!

He is the most dominating defensive player in the league right now.
Watt is great, yes, but Von the past 3 games is unstoppable.

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:33 PM
With a 3 game lead and Peyton Manning The Denver Broncos are your AFCW Champs more than likely

As bad as the AFCW is and as inconsistent as the Broncos are, that's not such a big feat.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:33 PM
Im sorry, after vons last three games, how is he only the "best defensive player after JJ Watt"

Yeah, that made me laugh.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-18-2012, 05:33 PM
Ha ha ha! False start.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:33 PM
Not worth it when there is a 10% chance of fumbling every time he gets a touch.

I'm not following...

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:33 PM
As bad as the AFCW is and as inconsistent as the Broncos are, that's not such a big feat.

Thats a very pessimistic view point of this team

Chris
11-18-2012, 05:33 PM
Im sorry, after vons last three games, how is he only the "best defensive player after JJ Watt"

Yes that was a bit of a backhanded compliment

JJ Watt does remind me of Ed Mccaffrey though

swaiy
11-18-2012, 05:34 PM
Dude was ****ing riding Doom's back and no holding penalty.

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:34 PM
Thats a very pessimistic view point of this team

I think it's accurate.

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:35 PM
Is failing to recover onside kick a turnover in the boxscore?

Just looked at the boxscore, and it says that Denver has 2 turnovers. Manning's pick 6 and Ball's catch/fumble. So I guess failing to recover the onside kick is not officially considered a turnover. This doesn't make sense to me, because I am 99.9% sure than muffed punts and kicks are considered turnovers, so why should an onside kick be different? It is another lost possession afterall...

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:35 PM
I think it's accurate.

You know you cant score TDs every drive right? Youre setting the bar sky high

spiralism
11-18-2012, 05:36 PM
Jesus wept. Whats the bet we fail to recover onside?

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:36 PM
By the way, how was Danario Alexander sitting at home a month ago?

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:36 PM
Meh... See what I mean?

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:36 PM
SD gonna get screwed by NFL's fu***ed NFL TD catch rule.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-18-2012, 05:36 PM
Incomplete pass.

sgbfan
11-18-2012, 05:37 PM
I think the ball came out, but they won't overturn it.

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:37 PM
IN-COM-PLETE

spiralism
11-18-2012, 05:37 PM
Oh i dunno actually... Refs prob gonna hose us now anyways

Action
11-18-2012, 05:37 PM
That's a touchdown... moment he broke the plane the play is over.

RedskinBronco
11-18-2012, 05:37 PM
Just not a good performance, unless you consider yourself a one and done playoff team

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:37 PM
Ballgame.

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:37 PM
I think the ball came out, but they won't overturn it.

They have to, according to the rule.

jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:38 PM
Victory formation on 1. BREAK

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:38 PM
I thought once it crosses the line it's a TD? Announcer certainly thinks its incomplete.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:38 PM
Should be incomplete...calvin johnson

sgbfan
11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
They have to, according to the rule.

His right hand stays on the ball (or close to it) throughout. Don't think it should be overturned honestly.

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
Bullshyt

spiralism
11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
BULL****

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
HOW THE FKC IS THAT A TD WHEN CALVIN JOHNSON'S WAS NOT?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
Just not a good performance, unless you consider yourself a one and done playoff team

Man you are negative. Elite teams play bad and still wins games. How did Houston look today against a 1-8 team?

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
These tards don't even know their own rules.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
It always amazes me when the refs don't know the rules...

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:40 PM
They can't make up their minds.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:40 PM
not sure i agree with that one

Action
11-18-2012, 05:40 PM
It always amazes me when the refs don't know the rules...

what are you talking about?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:40 PM
It's a TD cause they consider the catch already made before the goaline. So the ball just had to cross it.

swaiy
11-18-2012, 05:40 PM
Please dont screw this onside up

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:40 PM
I wish this game would end, just cover the kick!

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:41 PM
That's a touchdown... moment he broke the plane the play is over.

Why should this be different than Calvin Johnson's situation? He had possession of the ball with 3 steps, but his don't count because he was already in the endzone when he caught it?

spiralism
11-18-2012, 05:41 PM
Freezing the onside? this will end well....

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:41 PM
lets just cover this kick please

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:41 PM
what are you talking about?

Must have control all the way thru the catch, The ball came loose when he hit the ground should've been incomplete

swaiy
11-18-2012, 05:41 PM
Why call the timeout? They would have recovered the kick

jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:42 PM
I thnk that's fair I think I get it. Although announcers misspoke.

He had posession BEFORE the end zone. Therefore, TD as the ball breaks the plane. If he caught in the air in the endzone, then he must retain possession after hitting the ground (which he did not)

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:42 PM
Cover the kick. I need a free Big Mac!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:42 PM
Hey running backs, dont fumble

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:43 PM
It's a TD cause they consider the catch already made before the goaline. So the ball just had to cross it.

I am wondering this as well, but from a competition standpoint, WTF should it matter if control of the ball is established before the crossing the goalline or not?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:43 PM
Why should this be different than Calvin Johnson's situation? He had possession of the ball with 3 steps, but his don't count because he was already in the endzone when he caught it?

It's like a running back or QB jumping over the goaline. Once that ball crosses the line it's a score even if someone knocks it out. They are saying the completed catch happened before he crossed the line.

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:43 PM
Should have won this by a comfy margin.

BroncoFox
11-18-2012, 05:43 PM
You have to finish every catch. What a stupid cheaterhead call. You can't catch the ball near the back of the endzone and then drop it when you hit the ground. It shouldn't be different just because it's the front of the endzone. What a horrible call.

maher_tyler
11-18-2012, 05:44 PM
It always amazes me when the refs don't know the rules...

Its why the league wanted back up crews...seems like every week we get dicked over!

sgbfan
11-18-2012, 05:44 PM
Just don't fumble. I'll trust our D with 20 seconds and not TO for SD.

oubronco
11-18-2012, 05:44 PM
Should have won this.

They Did :strong:

swaiy
11-18-2012, 05:45 PM
Run the ball and drain the clock. Then get delay of game

RedskinBronco
11-18-2012, 05:45 PM
Man you are negative. Elite teams play bad and still wins games. How did Houston look today against a 1-8 team?

Wait now I am negative? I love how it's all depending on your own beliefs.

I was one of the few who told everyone it was ok early in the year when everyone was jumping off the ledge.

Please spare me the bull ****.

All I ever said was the Panthers and this game have not been good enough. People were freaking out over the bengals win when I specifically called that a good win.

So how am I negative, again? Or is it that just because you are ok with this game you feel the need to attack others who don't agree with you?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:45 PM
Wow 3 horrible runs.

Boltjolt
11-18-2012, 05:45 PM
HOW THE FKC IS THAT A TD WHEN CALVIN JOHNSON'S WAS NOT?

Because Calvin Johnson didnt catch his before the EZ...he caught it in the EZ and then it came out after his hand hit the ground. Alexander crossed the line with it before his hand came down.

Dont matter, game over anyways.

Action
11-18-2012, 05:45 PM
Why should this be different than Calvin Johnson's situation? He had possession of the ball with 3 steps, but his don't count because he was already in the endzone when he caught it?

Calvin Johnson catch was in the end zone.

manchambo
11-18-2012, 05:45 PM
I think you punt it through the endzone here.

sgbfan
11-18-2012, 05:46 PM
Wow 3 horrible runs.

The only horrible run would be if it was fumbled.

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:46 PM
Wow 3 horrible runs.

Yeah, pretty lame.

Lycan
11-18-2012, 05:46 PM
Wow 3 horrible runs.

Hard to run when they know for certain that's what you're going to do.

Especially with a back-up in there at guard.

spiralism
11-18-2012, 05:46 PM
may as well make us sweat...

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:46 PM
Wait now I am negative? I love how it's all depending on your own beliefs.

I was one of the few who told everyone it was ok early in the year when everyone was jumping off the ledge.

Please spare me the bull ****.

All I ever said was the Panthers and this game have not been good enough. People were freaking out over the bengals win when I specifically called that a good win.

So how am I negative, again? Or is it that just because you are ok with this game you feel the need to attack others who don't agree with you?


Calm the **** down. Being negative is saying they are one and done with performances like this. Yet they have won a couple games with these kinds of performances.

Action
11-18-2012, 05:46 PM
Must have control all the way thru the catch, The ball came loose when he hit the ground should've been incomplete

That doesn't apply after the ball crosses the goal line.

jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:47 PM
You have to finish every catch. What a stupid cheaterhead call. You can't catch the ball near the back of the endzone and then drop it when you hit the ground. It shouldn't be different just because it's the front of the endzone. What a horrible call.
It wasn't the front of the endzone, it was BEFORE it. possession established

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:47 PM
It's like a running back or QB jumping over the goaline. Once that ball crosses the line it's a score even if someone knocks it out. They are saying the completed catch happened before he crossed the line.

Ok, I 100% see it from your point of view. But I just remembered something else. Doesn't the NFL catch rule apply to all catches, not just ones involving touchdowns? If so, what take priority? The NFL catch rule, or ball crossing the plain of the goal line?

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:47 PM
The only horrible run would be if it was fumbled.

I stand corrected. Ha!

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
66 gets away with another hold

RedskinBronco
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Calm the **** down. Being negative is saying they are one and done with performances like this. Yet they have won a couple games with these kinds of performances.


And my point is those types of performances won't cut it, hence the one and done comment.

Lazy performances lead to lazy habits lead to the wrong end of the result.

jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
"Rivers will strap it on"...

LOL. he better

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Let's look for a pick...

Lycan
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Game. Set. Doom.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
thats a nice way to finish a game

TDmvp
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
LOL

Action
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Ok, I 100% see it from your point of view. But I just remembered something else. Doesn't the NFL catch rule apply to all catches, not just ones involving touchdowns? If so, what take priority? The NFL catch rule, or ball crossing the plain of the goal line?

He caught the ball and got two feet down... he already has possession.

broncosteven
11-18-2012, 05:48 PM
Rivers just gave up and threw the ball at the offical like a Cutler.

I will take it!

Our O spotted them 9 points and our D played well when it needed to and put the game out of reach.

Good honest victory and 1st time in 7 years we sweep the Chuggers!

Goobzilla
11-18-2012, 05:49 PM
....Annnnnnnnd Phyllis quits. Drive safe! :-)

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:49 PM
Phyllis Rivers GIVES UP even though they could have snapped the ball again. Completely unacceptable in I were a Dolt fan.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:49 PM
And my point is those types of performances won't cut it, hence the one and done comment.

Lazy performances lead to lazy habits lead to the wrong end of the result.

This is pretty dramatic

nyuk nyuk
11-18-2012, 05:49 PM
Too close for comfort. Me no rikey.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:49 PM
Good to see Dumervil get a sack after being held pretty much all day long.

BowlenBall
11-18-2012, 05:49 PM
DOOOOOOOOM!

Harvitz81
11-18-2012, 05:50 PM
And Dumervil Ends it!!!

broncocalijohn
11-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Not pretty offensively but it is a division win and puts us in a 85% chance of wrapping this division up. Yes that is corect on the percentage. It would have been higher but Cutler ****ed it up a few years ago with 3 games up and 3 games to go.

TDmvp
11-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Rivers just gave up and threw the ball at the offical like a Cutler.

I will take it!

Our O spotted them 9 points and our D played well when it needed to and put the game out of reach.

Good honest victory and 1st time in 7 years we sweep the Chuggers!




Did you just use Cutler like as a verb ? ... That's just mean Steven :)

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Ok, I 100% see it from your point of view. But I just remembered something else. Doesn't the NFL catch rule apply to all catches, not just ones involving touchdowns? If so, what take priority? The NFL catch rule, or ball crossing the plain of the goal line?

I would think they made a judgement call saying he already had completed the pass before crossing the line. He only had one hand on it and looked to me like it could've been still making a football move.

Rohirrim
11-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Tough game. I'm exhausted.

Jetland
11-18-2012, 05:50 PM
Phyllis Rivers GIVES UP even though they could have snapped the ball again. Completely unacceptable in I were a Dolt fan.

no way they could have gotten everyone back to the line in time

broncocalijohn
11-18-2012, 05:51 PM
Phyllis Rivers GIVES UP even though they could have snapped the ball again. Completely unacceptable in I were a Dolt fan.

No! 6 seconds left and his guys are deep down field. It was game over.

swaiy
11-18-2012, 05:51 PM
And my point is those types of performances won't cut it, hence the one and done comment.

Lazy performances lead to lazy habits lead to the wrong end of the result.

Im sure the coaches will, you know, do their job. What lazy habits are they exhibiting?

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 05:51 PM
If you're honestly complaining that, last week ,we didnt play well enough, in a road game, when we won by 22, and then beat SD in a game they were never really in...we have kings problems.

jerseyguy4
11-18-2012, 05:52 PM
Too close for comfort. Me no rikey.
I agree. Not a dominating performance, especially at home, and especially with the awesome play of the D in the first half (and then some)

Should have been more like the NE/Colts score.

Keep gellin' boys. Keep on keepin' on.
Enough games left to get it together. We ARE being a bit picky. But I see the fan base has set its sights higher than just making it to the playoffs

Rohirrim
11-18-2012, 05:52 PM
Anybody else notice that the stadium was half empty for the last two minutes? What's going on, Broncos fans? ???

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:52 PM
And my point is those types of performances won't cut it, hence the one and done comment.

Lazy performances lead to lazy habits lead to the wrong end of the result.

But do you think Manning would let laziness seep into this offense? He was on the sideline up 30-16 with 4 minutes left barking at the Oline. I think those kinds of bad habits would get squashed.

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:52 PM
He caught the ball and got two feet down... he already has possession.

Doesn't the NFL catch rule apply to all catches, not just catches made in the endzone? Possession and control of the ball all the way down to the turf. I think I have seen this rule used in non-td situations.

go_broncos
11-18-2012, 05:53 PM
Great Win!!!

Action
11-18-2012, 05:53 PM
I hope you guys realize, that San Diego pretty much had the same defensive rankings as us coming into the game, outside of them forcing more turnovers.

San Diego's defense is good... not to say that the offensive performance was acceptable or we didn't make a **** ton of mistakes.

canadianbroncosfan
11-18-2012, 05:53 PM
Phyllis Rivers GIVES UP even though they could have snapped the ball again. Completely unacceptable in I were a Dolt fan.

What?

There were less than 10 seconds on the clock, his receivers would've been way down field. There's no way they set up in time.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 05:55 PM
He caught the ball and got two feet down... he already has possession.

If this wasn't a TD (and by NFL rules it wasn't), then that wasn't a TD.

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Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:55 PM
Doesn't the NFL catch rule apply to all catches, not just catches made in the endzone? Possession and control of the ball all the way down to the turf. I think I have seen this rule used in non-td situations.

What if it happens at the 10 yard line instead of the goaline? Would they consider it a catch then ground causing fumble? They would if they thought he had made the catch already.

Boltjolt
11-18-2012, 05:56 PM
Phyllis Rivers GIVES UP even though they could have snapped the ball again. Completely unacceptable in I were a Dolt fan.

7 seconds left when sacked. They may not even have got another play off. No big deal. Even IF they get the snap off, it would of taken a miracle play from 90+ yards.

I think you just wanted to see another sack

OBF1
11-18-2012, 05:56 PM
Anybody else notice that the stadium was half empty for the last two minutes? What's going on, Broncos fans? ???

This is what Denver fan has turned into over the past number of years, Very sad.

Action
11-18-2012, 05:56 PM
Doesn't the NFL catch rule apply to all catches, not just catches made in the endzone? Possession and control of the ball all the way down to the turf. I think I have seen this rule used in non-td situations.

No, it doesn't.

Once you gain possession and cross the plane, the play is over, in all situations.

Action
11-18-2012, 05:56 PM
If this wasn't a TD (and by NFL rules it wasn't), then that wasn't a TD.

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You do realize the Calvin Johnson catch was in the end zone.

Hamrob
11-18-2012, 05:57 PM
I didn't think the offense was in sync at all. Especially on the outside.....Thomas/Decker. Sure they each had a TD...but, how many catches?? Lot's of misses on throws to those two guys.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 05:57 PM
I hope you guys realize, that San Diego pretty much had the same defensive rankings as us coming into the game, outside of them forcing more turnovers.

San Diego's defense is good... not to say that the offensive performance was acceptable or we didn't make a **** ton of mistakes.

If you're bored you can scroll back several pages and find me saying this. I estimated at least top 10 defense.

Bronco X
11-18-2012, 05:58 PM
Not many style points but I think it's pretty ridiculous to fret over the game. I'm fretting over Wolfe and McGahee more than I am over the fact that this wasn't a blow out. The D was great most of the game, and they were great when it mattered.

Vine
11-18-2012, 05:58 PM
I would think they made a judgement call saying he already had completed the pass before crossing the line. He only had one hand on it and looked to me like it could've been still making a football move.

I don't see this as a situation of judgement. The NFL needs to be clear on its rules. 1.)What is the rule on a catch being considered a catch? 2.)Does this rule apply to all catches, td catches, and other catches? 3.)If the rule applies to all catches, then does this rule take priority over crossing the plain of the goalline situations? These are not difficult questions to comprehend and answer. But it is difficult getting clear answers.

Rohirrim
11-18-2012, 05:58 PM
I expected this game to be a battle. Hell, the Chargers know this game represents their season. Hats off to the Broncos D. Woodyard is getting better every week. Still too many dropped passes and fumbles. Koppen got bulldozed a few times. Champ is losing a step. Face it. Still, all and all, this was a tough game. A difficult win like this will serve the Broncos well. Time to go into Narrowhead and have a Stomp Party! ;D

Action
11-18-2012, 05:59 PM
Wow, some of you are really dense. You know damn well if it were your team, you wouldnt be so dense and see the difference.

Yeah, some people are just idiots.

They'll argue a certain call forever thinking they're right, even though it won't even be discussed on any level outside of people who don't understand the rules.

DBroncos4life
11-18-2012, 05:59 PM
Look guys give Vine a few minutes to check his DVR out and he will see the error of his ways.

Punisher
11-18-2012, 05:59 PM
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ScottXray
11-18-2012, 06:00 PM
I didn't think the offense was in sync at all. Especially on the outside.....Thomas/Decker. Sure they each had a TD...but, how many catches?? Lot's of misses on throws to those two guys.

Peyton had a bad game 1st half. He was overthrowing and floating his balls a lot.

Sd started moving the ball late and the announcers were saying it was Hadnot...I think wolfe going out had more to do with it than that as we got no push up the center after that.


Wolfe and McGahee went down...anyone else and any word on status?

canadianbroncosfan
11-18-2012, 06:01 PM
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Action
11-18-2012, 06:01 PM
Peyton had a bad game 1st half. He was overthrowing and floating his balls a lot.

Sd started moving the ball late and the announcers were saying it was Hadnot...I think wolfe going out had more to do with it than that as we got no push up the center after that.


Wolfe and McGahee went down...anyone else and any word on status?

Wolfe came back in the game,

snowspot66
11-18-2012, 06:01 PM
The Jaguars hung 37 on the Texans and nearly beat them.

The Bills nearly beat the Pats last week.

The Falcons have been squeaking by a lot lately.

Still want to complain this game was close (in score only)? It was only close because of bad luck on the pick 6. Even when we weren't closing out drives very well we were still moving the ball fairly well. Nearly 200 yards before the half. This was a game of being a little out of synch against a good defense in a divisional match up the opponent HAD to win. We still put up thirty.

What more do you all want?

Rohirrim
11-18-2012, 06:02 PM
Broncos looking like they can sweep the AFCW. :charge:

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:02 PM
What if it happens at the 10 yard line instead of the goaline? Would they consider it a catch then ground causing fumble? They would if they thought he had made the catch already.

I agree with you, as I have not seen any answers on how long must possession be maintained before the catch becomes official. I am under the impression that these situations only apply to catches in which the receiver is on the way down to the turf as he catches the ball, which is why I still question the Calvin Johnson ruling (he took 2-3 steps before he went down to the turf).

Finally, I think it is only a matter of time when the NFL will revise, or make clear their rules. What if the Chargers would have recovered the onside kick and scored again, and won in overtime? The controversy regarding that touchdown would have been through the roof.

I have had MANY MANY discussions in forums concerning NFL catch rules for several years now.

Action
11-18-2012, 06:04 PM
The Jaguars hung 37 on the Texans and nearly beat them.

The Bills nearly beat the Pats last week.

The Falcons have been squeaking by a lot lately.

Still want to complain this game was close (in score only)? It was only close because of bad luck on the pick 6. Even when we weren't closing out drives very well we were still moving the ball fairly well. Nearly 200 yards before the half. This was a game of being a little out of synch against a good defense in a divisional match up the opponent HAD to win. We still put up thirty.

What more do you all want?

Yeah, people are wildin.

It's a division game, 2nd game, at a crucial mark in the season.

To beat them in the fashion we did was impressive, we just still need to play better.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 06:05 PM
The Jaguars hung 37 on the Texans and nearly beat them.

The Bills nearly beat the Pats last week.

The Falcons have been squeaking by a lot lately.

Still want to complain this game was close (in score only)? It was only close because of bad luck on the pick 6. Even when we weren't closing out drives very well we were still moving the ball fairly well. Nearly 200 yards before the half. This was a game of being a little out of synch against a good defense in a divisional match up the opponent HAD to win. We still put up thirty.

What more do you all want?

To be fair, people are thinking Super Bowl right now, so standards are kind of astronomically high.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 06:06 PM
Yeah, people are wildin.

It's a division game, 2nd game, at a crucial mark in the season.

To beat them in the fashion we did was impressive, we just still need to play better.

What's even more impressive is they are winning with mistakes. That's why I think they have something great going here

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:06 PM
Look guys give Vine a few minutes to check his DVR out and he will see the error of his ways.

No, I am actually a thousand times better than you at articulating thoughts and carrying on constructive conversations. It must hurt having such a low mental capacity.

Action
11-18-2012, 06:06 PM
I agree with you, as I have not seen any answers on how long must possession be maintained before the catch becomes official. I am under the impression that these situations only apply to catches in which the receiver is on the way down to the turf as he catches the ball, which is why I still question the Calvin Johnson ruling (he took 2-3 steps before he went down to the turf).

Finally, I think it is only a matter of time when the NFL will revise, or make clear their rules. What if the Chargers would have recovered the onside kick and scored again, and won in overtime? The controversy regarding that touchdown would have been through the roof.

I have had MANY MANY discussions in forums concerning NFL catch rules for several years now.

The rule is pretty damn clear...

He had possession when he got two feet down and leaped for the goal line...

There is nothing confusing about that play at all.

You guys seem to want to be confused because he wasn't wearing a Broncos jersey.

RedskinBronco
11-18-2012, 06:07 PM
But do you think Manning would let laziness seep into this offense? He was on the sideline up 30-16 with 4 minutes left barking at the Oline. I think those kinds of bad habits would get squashed.

No, most definitely I agree.

He has even mentioned so in the past 2 pressers that they need to clean it up and I'm sure the offense will be listening extra hard this week because I bet the coaches will be on them as well this week.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 06:07 PM
I agree with you, as I have not seen any answers on how long must possession be maintained before the catch becomes official. I am under the impression that these situations only apply to catches in which the receiver is on the way down to the turf as he catches the ball, which is why I still question the Calvin Johnson ruling (he took 2-3 steps before he went down to the turf).

Finally, I think it is only a matter of time when the NFL will revise, or make clear their rules. What if the Chargers would have recovered the onside kick and scored again, and won in overtime? The controversy regarding that touchdown would have been through the roof.

I have had MANY MANY discussions in forums concerning NFL catch rules for several years now.


That announcer had egg on his face. Calling it game over while they were reviewing it. Ha!

BroncoFox
11-18-2012, 06:07 PM
I still don't see it. I've seen balls caught with 2 feet in, and then the player out of bounds, drops the ball, or it hits the ground, and it's ruled incomplete. In a running play, yes.. as soon as you leap ahead and the ball crosses the plane, it's over. But in a catch, you must finish the catch. It doesn't matter if it's in the endzone or not.

So.. I don't agree with it. Didn't matter in the end, but I still think that was not a touchdown.

Boltjolt
11-18-2012, 06:08 PM
I agree with you, as I have not seen any answers on how long must possession be maintained before the catch becomes official. I am under the impression that these situations only apply to catches in which the receiver is on the way down to the turf as he catches the ball, which is why I still question the Calvin Johnson ruling (he took 2-3 steps before he went down to the turf).

Finally, I think it is only a matter of time when the NFL will revise, or make clear their rules. What if the Chargers would have recovered the onside kick and scored again, and won in overtime? The controversy regarding that touchdown would have been through the roof.

I have had MANY MANY discussions in forums concerning NFL catch rules for several years now.

Its only a controversy in here. It was a clear TD and i thought so when i saw the replay when he held the ball over the line before he went down.
The rule ONLY applies when there is a catch IN THE EZ.

You guys wont this game right? Whats the problem?

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 06:08 PM
What's even more impressive is they are winning with mistakes. That's why I think they have something great going here

I tend to agree, but only if they knock it off by playoff time. This team is hands down the best team in football if you take away all their dumb mistakes.

dictionary
11-18-2012, 06:08 PM
doooooooooooont caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare! Go Broncos!

?totally hammmered.c

Action
11-18-2012, 06:08 PM
And no, there would be NO controversy in regards to that catch touch down... do you know how many times a WR catches it and stretches in for the end zone with one hand, crosses the plane, and gets the ball knocked out or loses it?

What part are you so confused about?

He had 2 feet down and had full control...

Anytime you cross the goal line with possession the PLAY IS OVER.

RedskinBronco
11-18-2012, 06:10 PM
Im sure the coaches will, you know, do their job. What lazy habits are they exhibiting?

Yep, coaches will be driving it home hard this week especially with joke KC coming up.

I just see a lot of shortcuts being taken now and it's human nature to relax when you go on a winning streak.

Manning, being the perfectionist, is not letting it slip. He has mentioned they need to clean things up and like you mentioned the coaches will be on them this week

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 06:10 PM
I still don't see it. I've seen balls caught with 2 feet in, and then the player out of bounds, drops the ball, or it hits the ground, and it's ruled incomplete. In a running play, yes.. as soon as you leap ahead and the ball crosses the plane, it's over. But in a catch, you must finish the catch. It doesn't matter if it's in the endzone or not.

So.. I don't agree with it. Didn't matter in the end, but I still think that was not a touchdown.

Ya but they are saying the catch was already made. I'm not sure but I think he caught it at like the 3 held onto it with just one hand. By the 1 they already established the catch, not sure how many times he stepped on the ground. Thus making it only have to cross the plane of the line

24champ
11-18-2012, 06:13 PM
Broncos looking like they can sweep the AFCW. :charge:

When was the last time that was done?

That One Guy
11-18-2012, 06:13 PM
No, it doesn't.

Once you gain possession and cross the plane, the play is over, in all situations.

This exact call was made last year and the NFL came back to say it was called incorrectly and the extending of a ball does not constitute a catch. It'll be interesting to see if an official comment is released.

I think defining a catch may be one of the most pressing issues for the NFL to date. What he did was clearly a catch but by NFL rules, it probably shouldn't have been. They're currently defying logic in the way they're defining them.

BroncoFox
11-18-2012, 06:13 PM
Ya but they are saying the catch was already made. I'm not sure but I think he caught it at like the 3 held onto it with just one hand. By the 1 they already established the catch, not sure how many times he stepped on the ground. Thus making it only have to cross the plane of the line

I see what you are saying. I thought he didn't quite have it, but they reviewed it.. and so be it. No biggie.. we still won. :yayaya:

I thought this was a huge win. The Chargers KNEW they had to win. And we didn't let them. In the past, they would have won. Today, they didn't. This is a completely different Bronco team.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 06:15 PM
I see what you are saying. I thought he didn't quite have it, but they reviewed it.. and so be it. No biggie.. we still won. :yayaya:

I thought this was a huge win. The Chargers KNEW they had to win. And we didn't let them. In the past, they would have won. Today, they didn't. This is a completely different Bronco team.

Ya big win. Had it the 2nd hardest before ravens

That One Guy
11-18-2012, 06:15 PM
And no, there would be NO controversy in regards to that catch touch down... do you know how many times a WR catches it and stretches in for the end zone with one hand, crosses the plane, and gets the ball knocked out or loses it?

What part are you so confused about?

He had 2 feet down and had full control...

Anytime you cross the goal line with possession the PLAY IS OVER.

Wow, must you be so condescending? You sound like a real dick.

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:15 PM
The rule is pretty damn clear...

He had possession when he got two feet down and leaped for the goal line...

There is nothing confusing about that play at all.

You guys seem to want to be confused because he wasn't wearing a Broncos jersey.

I am not disputing the possession when he crossed the goalline. I want to see where at in the rulebook where it says that possession of the ball as a receiver crosses the goaline trumps the NFL catch rule.

Action
11-18-2012, 06:16 PM
Wow, must you be so condescending? You sound like a real dick.

Explaining in straight forward the 1st time didn't really get the point across.

I mean let's be honest, this crossing goal line with possession = touchdown/play dead gets discussed how many times a year and people are still confused?

People who watch football, every year.

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:17 PM
I still don't see it. I've seen balls caught with 2 feet in, and then the player out of bounds, drops the ball, or it hits the ground, and it's ruled incomplete. In a running play, yes.. as soon as you leap ahead and the ball crosses the plane, it's over. But in a catch, you must finish the catch. It doesn't matter if it's in the endzone or not.

So.. I don't agree with it. Didn't matter in the end, but I still think that was not a touchdown.


This.

Action
11-18-2012, 06:19 PM
I am not disputing the possession when he crossed the goalline. I want to see where at in the rulebook where it says that possession of the ball as a receiver crosses the goaline trumps the NFL catch rule.

There's no where that needs to be said, because once the ball crosses the goal line with possession the play is dead.

If they needed to specify it, they'd specify it under a special circumstance when the ball crosses the goal line...but there is NOT...

Ball crosses goal line with possession = play over.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 06:19 PM
Its only a controversy in here. It was a clear TD and i thought so when i saw the replay when he held the ball over the line before he went down.
The rule ONLY applies when there is a catch IN THE EZ.

You guys wont this game right? Whats the problem?

No one really cares about the TD. People are just arguing to argue. And despite what you and Action think, the rules are not that clear on the matter.

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:20 PM
And no, there would be NO controversy in regards to that catch touch down... do you know how many times a WR catches it and stretches in for the end zone with one hand, crosses the plane, and gets the ball knocked out or loses it?

What part are you so confused about?

He had 2 feet down and had full control...

Anytime you cross the goal line with possession the PLAY IS OVER.


In situations bolded above, receivers catch the ball, take several steps (football moves) toward the endzone, and the process of making the catch becomes official long before the receiver stretches the ball across the plain of the goal line.

Action
11-18-2012, 06:21 PM
Once again,

HE HAD POSSESSION OF THE BALL AND CROSSED THE GOAL LINE = PLAY OVER.

The only thing you can be arguing is if he had possession, which he clearly did...

So there is no controversy here.

BroncoFox
11-18-2012, 06:21 PM
All I know is that I've seen a pass that was caught in the endzone, two feet in, and when the receiver hit the ground outside of the endzone, the ball came out, and it was ruled incomplete. That's all I am basing that on. They need to be consistent if that is how they are going to call it.

spiralism
11-18-2012, 06:23 PM
ahh who cares, we won anyways :D

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:23 PM
This exact call was made last year and the NFL came back to say it was called incorrectly and the extending of a ball does not constitute a catch. It'll be interesting to see if an official comment is released.

I think defining a catch may be one of the most pressing issues for the NFL to date. What he did was clearly a catch but by NFL rules, it probably shouldn't have been. They're currently defying logic in the way they're defining them.

Thank you. Someone else actually exists that at least recognizes that the NFL catch rule is one that needs to be addressed, revised, clarified, etc. Perhaps even changed, especially for catches in the endzone.

Action
11-18-2012, 06:24 PM
You guys can't be this....

Oh wait, I'm on the omane.

Let me also add that he got two feet down and his KNEE was down before the ball came out, so the play is dead regardless.

Anyone questioning that play is just blind.

The end.

Action
11-18-2012, 06:26 PM
Thank you. Someone else actually exists that at least recognizes that the NFL catch rule is one that needs to be addressed, revised, clarified, etc. Perhaps even changed, especially for catches in the endzone.

This has NOTHING to do with it being a catch rule ---

This has everything to do with POSSESSION + CROSSING GOAL LINE.

If you have possession and you cross the goal line the play is dead.

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:27 PM
There's no where that needs to be said, because once the ball crosses the goal line with possession the play is dead.

If they needed to specify it, they'd specify it under a special circumstance when the ball crosses the goal line...but there is NOT...

Ball crosses goal line with possession = play over.

This is making the assumption that crossing the plain of the goaline for receptions trumps the NFL rule on completing a catch. Finally, why, from a competitive standpoint, should a catch in the endzone be treated differently than a catch that occurs before the endzone. I have not, ever, seen anyone answer the logic of that.

Bronco X
11-18-2012, 06:27 PM
Seriously? After a win all that can be discussed is a TD that didn't matter? Get the hell over it. There are things that still matter as it relates to the Broncos.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 06:27 PM
You guys can't be this....

Oh wait, I'm on the omane.

Let me also add that he got two feet down and his KNEE was down before the ball came out, so the play is dead regardless.

Anyone questioning that play is just blind.

The end.

The only blind person I see is you. The precedence exists to overturn that TD. You can pretend otherwise, and act like your so much smarter than everyone else, but in the end you only make yourself look like a douche and a fool.

The real discussion is about the ambiguity of the rules, not the TD anyway. We won, so whether or not it's a TD doesn't matter. The illogical nature of the NFL rules is what is being discussed here, and while you are so certain of how right you are (to the point of seeemingly missing what's actually being discussed), the rest of us are just trying to figure the **** out.

Jetland
11-18-2012, 06:28 PM
When was the last time that was done?

Raiders did it two years ago but did not make the playoffs which ranks as one of the funniest things to ever happen.

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:29 PM
ahh who cares, we won anyways :D

Anyone who is a pure fan of football, who likes to see rules applied evenly and fairly with consistency should care.

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:30 PM
You guys can't be this....

Oh wait, I'm on the omane.

Let me also add that he got two feet down and his KNEE was down before the ball came out, so the play is dead regardless.

Anyone questioning that play is just blind.

The end.

Saying that he got two feet down and a knee does not strengthen your argument when you consider what all Calvin Johnson did on his disallowed td catch.

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:31 PM
Seriously? After a win all that can be discussed is a TD that didn't matter? Get the hell over it. There are things that still matter as it relates to the Broncos.

This discussion no longer has to do with the Broncos, it has to do with judging football rules and the interpretation of rules. If you don't like the discussion, you don't have to participate.

24champ
11-18-2012, 06:32 PM
Raiders did it two years ago but did not make the playoffs which ranks as one of the funniest things to ever happen.

I should have clarified, when was the last time the Broncos swept the division? 1998-99?

Jetland
11-18-2012, 06:33 PM
I should have clarified, when was the last time the Broncos swept the division? 1998-99?

sorry got excited about saying bad things about the silver and black....hehe

Vine
11-18-2012, 06:35 PM
The only blind person I see is you. The precedence exists to overturn that TD. You can pretend otherwise, and act like your so much smarter than everyone else, but in the end you only make yourself look like a douche and a fool.

The real discussion is about the ambiguity of the rules, not the TD anyway. We won, so whether or not it's a TD doesn't matter. The illogical nature of the NFL rules is what is being discussed here, and while you are so certain of how right you are (to the point of seeemingly missing what's actually being discussed), the rest of us are just trying to figure the **** out.

Yes. This. If the NFL wants to avoid any huge controversies in the future, they should seriously think about clarifying the rule in this situation. It is not like it's a rare situation, and it's only a matter of time when some situation like this will decide a game, perhaps even a postseason game.

Requiem
11-18-2012, 06:38 PM
How did the game become 30-23? Last I saw it was 24 to 16. Looks like we left a lot of points on the field. Who got stupid?

DarkHorse
11-18-2012, 06:40 PM
Rahim Moore is starting to really pick his game up!

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 06:42 PM
Rahim Moore is starting to really pick his game up!

He's been pretty damn good all season long actually...

Bronco X
11-18-2012, 06:42 PM
This discussion no longer has to do with the Broncos, it has to do with judging football rules and the interpretation of rules. If you don't like the discussion, you don't have to participate.

Okay...

RB depth is the biggest issue facing this team.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 06:43 PM
How did the game become 30-23? Last I saw it was 24 to 16. Looks like we left a lot of points on the field. Who got stupid?

Turnover issues and a lot of field goals. That sums it up for the most part.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 06:45 PM
I should have clarified, when was the last time the Broncos swept the division? 1998-99?

Yes I believe that would be the year. I'm pretty sure we dropped at least one division game in 2005.

Rohirrim
11-18-2012, 06:49 PM
When was the last time that was done?

I'm guessing you'd have to go back to Jake the Snake and Mike Anderson on that one. ???

baja
11-18-2012, 06:54 PM
You guys can't be this....

Oh wait, I'm on the omane.

Let me also add that he got two feet down and his KNEE was down before the ball came out, so the play is dead regardless.

Anyone questioning that play is just blind.

The end.

The SD bench & coaching staff thought it was going to be overturned so there is that.

Agamemnon
11-18-2012, 07:01 PM
I'm guessing you'd have to go back to Jake the Snake and Mike Anderson on that one. ???

Looked it up and that team dropped one in the division. Which means the '98-'99 season has to be the last time it happened. Honestly, I'm not sure it ever happened in any other season before that either, as they had to play eight division games back then.

That One Guy
11-18-2012, 07:02 PM
I was trying to find the NFL statement and can't recall the exact player that the NFL responded to but did find this from an earlier article:

The rule comes from the effort to rectify the Bert Emanuel play from the 1999 NFC title game, when the catch was made, a portion of the ball struck the ground, but Emanuel never lost possession of it. Now, the ball may hit the ground as long as it doesn’t move — and as long as whenever a player going to the ground while catching the ball maintains possession through the act of going to the ground.
That’s what apparently happened with Tamme on Sunday night. He caught the ball near the end zone, and while crossing the plane also was falling and when he landed the ball squirted out.
The replay official — who is not a replacement employee — failed to buzz the referee for a closer look. If a closer look had been taken, a tough decision may have arisen.
Yes, the player crossed into the end zone while falling down. And, yes, he performed the so-called “second act” of lunging the ball forward, even though he already was in the end zone when he did.
Still, Tamme was going to the ground and he failed to maintain possession once he hit the ground. Despite multiple discussions and examples and analyses over the years, the rule continues to require possession through the act of going to the ground, with no example for breaking the plane of the end zone while falling or otherwise performing a second act. If you’re going to the ground, you’re required (per the rule book) to maintain possession after hitting the ground. Tamme didn’t.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/tamme-touchdown-brings-convoluted-rule-back-into-focus/

PFT has stayed on this back and forth all along but there's one example showing that the second act and endzone is not supposed to overrule the current catch rules.

DenverBroncosJM
11-18-2012, 07:08 PM
There's no where that needs to be said, because once the ball crosses the goal line with possession the play is dead.

If they needed to specify it, they'd specify it under a special circumstance when the ball crosses the goal line...but there is NOT...

Ball crosses goal line with possession = play over.

Can we go back to July before this **** head was on the boards?

Vine
11-18-2012, 07:12 PM
I was trying to find the NFL statement and can't recall the exact player that the NFL responded to but did find this from an earlier article:

The rule comes from the effort to rectify the Bert Emanuel play from the 1999 NFC title game, when the catch was made, a portion of the ball struck the ground, but Emanuel never lost possession of it. Now, the ball may hit the ground as long as it doesn’t move — and as long as whenever a player going to the ground while catching the ball maintains possession through the act of going to the ground.
That’s what apparently happened with Tamme on Sunday night. He caught the ball near the end zone, and while crossing the plane also was falling and when he landed the ball squirted out.
The replay official — who is not a replacement employee — failed to buzz the referee for a closer look. If a closer look had been taken, a tough decision may have arisen.
Yes, the player crossed into the end zone while falling down. And, yes, he performed the so-called “second act” of lunging the ball forward, even though he already was in the end zone when he did.
Still, Tamme was going to the ground and he failed to maintain possession once he hit the ground. Despite multiple discussions and examples and analyses over the years, the rule continues to require possession through the act of going to the ground, with no example for breaking the plane of the end zone while falling or otherwise performing a second act. If you’re going to the ground, you’re required (per the rule book) to maintain possession after hitting the ground. Tamme didn’t.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/10/tamme-touchdown-brings-convoluted-rule-back-into-focus/

PFT has stayed on this back and forth all along but there's one example showing that the second act and endzone is not supposed to overrule the current catch rules.

Tamme play video

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108799&page=50


From fan who loves pure competition and has a desire to see fair NFL rules applying to all situations, I think the Tamme touchdown should stand, I think the Chargers touchdown should have stood, and I think the Calvin Johnson play from a few years ago should have been ruled a touchdown.

Why can't the NFL make things simple, and state the rule that if a player controls the ball and gets two feet down, then it's a catch, regardless of whether he is in the endzone or not, and whatever else happens after two feet down are established with control of the ball?

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 07:13 PM
Guys, who gives a ****. We're arguing about this like it made a lick of difference

Vine
11-18-2012, 07:14 PM
Can we go back to July before this **** head was on the boards?

This coming from a waterboy?

Vine
11-18-2012, 07:15 PM
Guys, who gives a ****. We're arguing about this like it made a lick of difference

You are naive to think that such a situation will never arise in future games in the NFL.

That One Guy
11-18-2012, 07:16 PM
Guys, who gives a ****. We're arguing about this like it made a lick of difference

It's top 2 (along with defenders being fined when offensive players drop their heads) in terms of obscure or vague rules which the NFL insists on enforcing despite the clear defiance of common sense. It's a huge drag on enjoyment of football at this point.

DenverBroncosJM
11-18-2012, 07:16 PM
This coming from a waterboy?

Yup from 2006!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-18-2012, 07:18 PM
It's top 2 (along with defenders being fined when offensive players drop their heads) in terms of obscure or vague rules which the NFL insists on enforcing despite the clear defiance of common sense. It's a huge drag on enjoyment of football at this point.

Yes, and this argument is so ****ing enjoyable

That One Guy
11-18-2012, 07:21 PM
Yes, and this argument is so ****ing enjoyable

If it weren't for one guy being a condescending dick and swearing he knows the rules above all else, the conversation would've already died as just about everyone else agreed there's too much obscurity in the rules.

I mean, feel free to present a black/white explanation that would define whether or not that was a catch and end this discussion. We'd all appreciate it - sincerely.

Vine
11-18-2012, 07:21 PM
Yes, and this argument is so ****ing enjoyable

There are 12 other active threads with messages being posted in all of them in the last 20 minutes, but yet, you come into this thread complaining about the topic of discussion? Why don't you discuss items in other threads or, even start your own thread on anything you want to be discussed?

DenverBroncosJM
11-18-2012, 07:25 PM
There are 12 other active threads with messages being posted in all of them in the last 20 minutes, but yet, you come into this thread complaining about the topic of discussion? Why don't you discuss items in other threads or, even start your own thread on anything you want to be discussed?

Good post ring of famer Vine!

That One Guy
11-18-2012, 07:27 PM
Good post ring of famer Vine!

You're starting to embarrass yourself.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-18-2012, 07:35 PM
I see this has been a lively discussion. Pretty sure that's what message boards are for.

errand
11-18-2012, 07:36 PM
How many dropped passes does this p***Y have all year? Seriously, get Manning someone that can ****ing catch the football, and a runningback that doesn't ****ing fumble. Unbelieveable.

so pray tell, where are you going to find a RB that never fumbles or a WR that never drops a pass? Un ****ing believable

errand
11-18-2012, 07:43 PM
When was the last time we saw the D and STs play this well?

Last week....