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baja
11-13-2012, 08:03 AM
Is Jack Del Rio the best defensive coordinator Denver has ever had?

There have been some good ones

Joe Collier was great with the Orange Crush

Recently Allen and Nolan were both good

Del Rio is tops IMO with what he has done with the young guys

loborugger
11-13-2012, 08:07 AM
I dont think there is any way you could bless him above Collier after a half season of work.

bronco militia
11-13-2012, 08:07 AM
"get sombody to cover the TE, then we can talk"

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/1111/20101111__20101112_CC09_SP12FBNCOLLIERS~p1.JPG

bronco militia
11-13-2012, 08:13 AM
this guy was pretty good too

;D

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6ldhjp9c2P3aT9Xck7J2buomewqIpe zDxmP4pBBQPJoCEpnwehoT-qy2_

spiralism
11-13-2012, 08:16 AM
"get sombody to cover the TE, then we can talk"

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/1111/20101111__20101112_CC09_SP12FBNCOLLIERS~p1.JPG

That's one thing that always gets me. TEs have always been a thorn in the side of defences because of matchup problems and the standard of TE play has never been higher in the NFL. I'd love to be able to cover the TE but we're one of many teams that struggle in that area because of the above.

baja
11-13-2012, 08:18 AM
Consider what he has gotten out of the talent he inherited. It is nothing short amazing.

Joe had several high drafts to build his defense.

Imagine JDR with a couple more drafts assuming he stays

Pick Six
11-13-2012, 08:19 AM
I wish we had Nolan, longer. I think he was heading us on the right path...

bronco militia
11-13-2012, 08:22 AM
That's one thing that always gets me. TEs have always been a thorn in the side of defences because of matchup problems and the standard of TE play has never been higher in the NFL. I'd love to be able to cover the TE but we're one of many teams that struggle in that area because of the above.

not beaing able to match up is one thing. letting the TE run free off the LOS and not ever covering him is another.

baja
11-13-2012, 08:24 AM
Remember all of us screaming for the FO to fix the D line and the collective disappointment when we didn't sign a high priced DT

JDR basically brought in a couple of role players and worked with underachievers we had and made the D line a strength

El Guapo
11-13-2012, 08:24 AM
I'll be happy once next season starts and he's still our defensive coordinator. That'll be a new record.

baja
11-13-2012, 08:25 AM
Remember all of us screaming for the FO to fix the D line and the collective disappointment when we didn't sign a high priced DT

JDR basically brought in a couple of role players and worked with underachievers we had and made the D line a strength

strafen
11-13-2012, 08:26 AM
Consider what he has gotten out of the talent he inherited. It is nothing short amazing.

Joe had several high drafts to build his defense.

Imagine JDR with a couple more drafts assuming he staysWhat you mean?
Lack of talent is what we have from 2007 to 2010
Since last year we've been adding pretty good players. The talent level we now have is superb on just about all areas of the defensive side of the ball. Granted we may be a LB short and lacking a little bit of depth, but overall I think JDR inherited a pretty good group of guys...

baja
11-13-2012, 08:27 AM
We are #10 in run defense who here would have predicted that in September?

baja
11-13-2012, 08:30 AM
What you mean?
Lack of talent is what we have from 2007 to 2010
Since last year we've been adding pretty good players. The talent level we now have is superb on just about all areas of the defensive side of the ball. Granted we may be a LB short and lacking a little bit of depth, but overall I think JDR inherited a pretty good group of guys...

Who exactly were that at the time of his hiring.

We had Von, Doom and Champ as clear studs

He coached the hell out of the young guys and FA roll players

NFLBRONCO
11-13-2012, 08:33 AM
I just wonder who our next DC will be in 13?

ColoradoDarin
11-13-2012, 08:34 AM
We are #10 in run defense who here would have predicted that in September?

Our offense is supposed to get up on people and that makes opponents one-dimensional, abandoning the run, thus giving us a deceptively high run D ranking #....

baja
11-13-2012, 08:41 AM
Editor's note: NFL reporter Jeff Legwold analyzes the Broncos' 36-14 victory over the Carolina Panthers on Sunday and looks ahead.
For the Broncos, these are the hunger games.
When John Elway returned to pro football, this time to be a front-office executive, he said his first goal was to "get the locker room the way we wanted it."
He wanted to return football hunger to the equation.
Whatever happens to the current four-game winning streak moving forward, Elway, the Broncos' front-office and coaching staffs have met that goal.
While talent will always determine a team's ability to get into the postseason, it's hunger that determines what those playoff trips become.
"That's what we need," Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said. "Everybody needs to remember to stay the course, don't get caught up in everything going around. Because what we're doing is nice, but it isn't where we want to go. The good teams, every week, every year, remember where they want to go.
"But we've got a lot of hungry guys in here, guys who want to do whatever it takes to get out there to play, guys giving it all to win. That's how it needs to stay."
Guys such as cornerback Chris Harris, a player the Broncos signed as an undrafted free agent after the 2011 draft. He is a Swiss Army knife, tossed in wherever the Broncos need him.
In Sunday's victory at Carolina, he lined up outside at cornerback, in the slot at cornerback and at safety.
Guys such as Tony Carter — cut over and over again, including by the Broncos — who has scored two of the Broncos' four defensive touchdowns.
Guys such as Keith Brooking, Dan Koppen and Trindon Holliday, veteran players sent along their way by their former teams, looking to contribute somewhere, for somebody, who now find themselves key pieces in a playoff race.
"You can see it," Harris said. "I want to be one of those guys that wants to play. I don't want to step back. I want to be out there, in the big situations."
It is the most difficult part of assembling teams. Young teams tend to be the hungrier ones, filled with enthusiasm and athleticism.
Older teams tend to know the way. The best mix just might be the young teams with some well-placed, much- decorated veterans to lead the way. The Broncos have the look of one of those teams.


Read more: Youthful Broncos have helped power winning streak - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21984272/youthful-broncos-have-helped-power-winning-streak#ixzz2C7bLo3jQ
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baja
11-13-2012, 08:43 AM
Our offense is supposed to get up on people and that makes opponents one-dimensional, abandoning the run, thus giving us a deceptively high run D ranking #....

Every single opponent tries to run on us early in the game to keep Manning on the bench, none have been able to sustain it.

baja
11-13-2012, 08:44 AM
So you guys don't appreciate JDR?

baja
11-13-2012, 08:46 AM
I think next to Manning JDR was the best off season move the Broncos made,

bronco militia
11-13-2012, 08:49 AM
I'll be happy once next season starts and he's still our defensive coordinator. That'll be a new record.

yeah...hopefully he can stick around for at least two seasons

gyldenlove
11-13-2012, 08:54 AM
I just noticed we are number 1 in the league in sacks with 31, the difference between us and the 2nd best team is the same as the difference between number 2 and number 11. Pass rush is back in Denver.

Greatspirits
11-13-2012, 08:54 AM
Yep, I'm already worried he'll be gone after this year. Hopefully he'll stick around to at least get a Super Bowl ring before he leaves.

mwill07
11-13-2012, 08:54 AM
Our offense is supposed to get up on people and that makes opponents one-dimensional, abandoning the run, thus giving us a deceptively high run D ranking #....

makes sense. We should look at a rate stat instead - YPC should be more indicative of a good run D than pure yards, right?

we are the #2 run D in the whole league. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/opp.htm#rushing::7)

gyldenlove
11-13-2012, 08:59 AM
Defensive ranks of the Denver Broncos:

Sacks: 1
Defensive TDs: T2
Ints: T6
Forced fumbles: 3
Points per game: 10
Yards per game: 6
Rush yards per game: 10
Pass yards per game: 11
Passes batted: 5

baja
11-13-2012, 09:05 AM
Defensive ranks of the Denver Broncos:

Sacks: 1
Defensive TDs: T2
Ints: T6
Forced fumbles: 3
Points per game: 10
Yards per game: 6
Rush yards per game: 10
Pass yards per game: 11
Passes batted: 5

We gotta be the most improved defense in the league.

And that's gotta be on Jack Del Rio

ColoradoDarin
11-13-2012, 09:35 AM
makes sense. We should look at a rate stat instead - YPC should be more indicative of a good run D than pure yards, right?

we are the #2 run D in the whole league. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/opp.htm#rushing::7)

That's what I'm talking about! rep

Mogulseeker
11-13-2012, 09:52 AM
I read somewhere in the offseason that Del Rio hates the politics of head coaching and he has no desire to be a head coach again in the foreseeable future.

Anyone know his contract situation? We're basically getting him for free this year because of Jacksonville's breach of contract... and the Jags are actually paying him more money than we're paying Fox... at least for this year.

Bacchus
11-13-2012, 09:54 AM
Is Jack Del Rio the best defensive coordinator Denver has ever had?

There have been some good ones

Joe Collier was great with the Orange Crush

Recently Allen and Nolan were both good

Del Rio is tops IMO with what he has done with the young guys

one season whose to know really. Hopefully he will have years of work to judge him against Collier.

NFLBRONCO
11-13-2012, 09:55 AM
I think next to Manning JDR was the best off season move the Broncos made,

Yes indeed plus add Trindon and that stinkin Koppen to the list too

Bacchus
11-13-2012, 10:03 AM
We gotta be the most improved defense in the league.

And that's gotta be on Jack Del Rio

Most improved offense too for that matter!!

baja
11-13-2012, 10:29 AM
Most improved offense too for that matter!!


One thing that can't be improved is that ass in your avatar. ;D

uplink
11-13-2012, 10:48 AM
The thing that really indicates the job he is doing is that none of the Defensive players are under performing including the backups. The rankings are helped some since the offense helping with time of possession, field position, and having a lead in the game.

ColoradoDarin
11-13-2012, 10:53 AM
The thing that really indicates the job he is doing is that none of the Defensive players are under performing including the backups. The rankings are helped some since the offense helping with time of possession, field position, and having a lead in the game.

Great point. rep

baja
11-13-2012, 12:02 PM
The thing that really indicates the job he is doing is that none of the Defensive players are under performing including the backups. The rankings are helped some since the offense helping with time of possession, field position, and having a lead in the game.

with the exception of Mays

DBroncos4life
11-13-2012, 12:30 PM
with the exception of Mays

I doubt it happens if the Raiders don't fire Allen we should swap Mays for McClain. I think both teams will dump the players in the offseason anyways. Allen at least got some production out of Mays.

baja
11-13-2012, 12:33 PM
That would be sweet.

DivineLegion
11-13-2012, 12:36 PM
What I find amusing, and a real credit to Foxs coaching is that 4 of the 5 starters on our defensive line are essentially holdovers. Consider that Mike Nolan, Dennis Allen, and Wink all had Justin Bannan (except Allen), Elvis Dumervil, Kevin Vickerson, Jason Hunter, Mitch Unrein (except Nolan), and Robert Ayers. This tells me that coaching has played a huge role in the production of these players. I pointed out in Foxs first year post draft that the reason John didn't address the Defensive line had to do with his coaching philosophy. His record at Carolina, and now the Broncos is littered with underachieving defensive linemen coming together to form formidable fronts. In many of the ways Shanny & Co. have been notoriously successful buildind offensive lines, and solid rushing attacks, so too has Fox & Co. unleashed unrecognized potential in underperforming defensive linemen. To JDRs credit, he has orginized this development, and incorporated a creative element that was almost nonexistent last season. As a play caller alone JDR has improved this unit substantially. As a Coach he has brought experience, and leadership to a young group of linebackers who with a little proding have learned to maximize their potential. Nate Irving, Wesley Woodyard, Danny Tarvathian, Stevie Johnson, and most notably Von Miller are all reaping the rewards of having an experienced creative play caller like Del Rio. Combine the two coaching Philosophies, and you have a major defensive overhaul.

baja
11-13-2012, 12:43 PM
great point

fontaine
11-13-2012, 12:55 PM
Just my opinion but I think JDR stays. He hasn't been this close to real postseason success for a while and it's really just a window of a few years, plus he's still relatively young to carve out a HC job later.

baja
11-13-2012, 12:58 PM
But, but, but Bowlen is paying him in Canadian tar sand stock.....

ZONA
11-13-2012, 01:22 PM
this guy was pretty good too

;D

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6ldhjp9c2P3aT9Xck7J2buomewqIpe zDxmP4pBBQPJoCEpnwehoT-qy2_

OMG I just busted a gut laughing. You get a rep for that one.

ZONA
11-13-2012, 01:25 PM
Yep, I'm already worried he'll be gone after this year. Hopefully he'll stick around to at least get a Super Bowl ring before he leaves.

Well he had quite a long time in Jacksonville to prove himself as a HC. Just because a guy is a brilliant coordinator doesn't make him a great HC. I think that's been shown many times. He could get another shot at it but I think he stays for 2 or 3 years while Manning his here. We win back to back Superbowls, then he can leave :)

crowebomber
11-13-2012, 01:42 PM
This is probably in another post but I didn't realize that we didn't allow a single 3rd down conversion against Carolina! I don't know if we have ever done that.

Action
11-13-2012, 01:44 PM
I wish we had Nolan, longer. I think he was heading us on the right path...

I don't. While Nolan is one of the better DCs in the league, I don't think his defenses were ever "stout." He has a decent scheme in mixing up coverages... but his schemes are very gimmicky at times.

You do realize Atlanta is 20th in the league in defense?

DENVERDUI55
11-13-2012, 02:28 PM
I'm interested in seeing how the D does through the last part of the season when it comes down to winning one on one battles. Lucky for Denver the quality of teams isnt' that great.

rbackfactory80
11-13-2012, 03:35 PM
I am a fan.

Arkansas Bronco
11-13-2012, 03:55 PM
Im happy at what he has done but to be truthful I kinda expected it. He is a damn good D coach and mixed with Fox should do it. I wasnt expecting at much but defiantly a big step forward.

schaaf
11-13-2012, 04:01 PM
I appreciate you Mr. Jack Del Rio.

Broncobiv
11-13-2012, 04:33 PM
I read somewhere in the offseason that Del Rio hates the politics of head coaching and he has no desire to be a head coach again in the foreseeable future.

Anyone know his contract situation? We're basically getting him for free this year because of Jacksonville's breach of contract... and the Jags are actually paying him more money than we're paying Fox... at least for this year.

:pray:

TheReverend
11-13-2012, 04:38 PM
The thing that really indicates the job he is doing is that none of the Defensive players are under performing including the backups. The rankings are helped some since the offense helping with time of possession, field position, and having a lead in the game.

Agree with the theme of your post and the rest of the points, but having a sizeable lead in games hurts your ranking rather than aid it.

Cito Pelon
11-13-2012, 06:00 PM
There's a looooong way to go still. 6-3 doesn't mean jackcrap.

R8R H8R
11-13-2012, 06:39 PM
I think next to Manning JDR was the best off season move the Broncos made,

I agree wholeheartedly, and this is a testament to Fox really. Fox has built a heck of a staff that seems to get the most out of players, young and old alike. I.e. Franklin, Wolfe, Brooking, Stokely, etc.

Old Dude
11-13-2012, 08:36 PM
If they can stay healthy, some of those defensive stats could improve.

Win % of teams remaining:

Chargers: .444
Chiefs: .111
Bucs: .556
Raiders: .333
Ravens: .778
Browns: .222
Chiefs: .111

Requiem
11-14-2012, 08:26 AM
Even in our losses, JDR has done a phenomenal job of making second half adjustments to put our defense in position to makes plays and bury other teams. Hope he sticks around for a while. We need some longevitity and consistency at the position. I don't think there has been another team in the league who has played defensive coordinator carousel as much as we have for the past decade.

DivineLegion
11-14-2012, 08:35 AM
Even in our losses, JDR has done a phenomenal job of making second half adjustments to put our defense in position to makes plays and bury other teams. Hope he sticks around for a while. We need some longevitity and consistency at the position. I don't think there has been another team in the league who has played defensive coordinator carousel as much as we have for the past decade.

Absolutely agree.

I love the suspense that I get going into the second half of games, because I can't wait to see what Jacks gonna do.

Mediator12
11-14-2012, 09:49 AM
Even in our losses, JDR has done a phenomenal job of making second half adjustments to put our defense in position to makes plays and bury other teams. Hope he sticks around for a while. We need some longevitity and consistency at the position. I don't think there has been another team in the league who has played defensive coordinator carousel as much as we have for the past decade.

I think JDR finally has the players and it has taken a while to let the scheme sink in, get back up to speed calling plays (which he had not done for a long time), and trying to make adjustments outside of the gameplanning phase.

Remember, he drafted the HELL out of the DL in JAX in order to get after one Peyton Manning with very little success. He did get some very good DT's, but he never, ever had the pass rush duo he inherited in DEN.

Also, he has had the benefit of sitting down With Peyton Manning and discussing how other teams attacked his defenses in Jax and what they thought were the weaknesses they could attack. I know Coyer said that he was able to do that when he was here in INDY and Peyton and he compared notes on how to attack teams. Coyers defense in INDY the year they went to the SB and were undefeated until Polian pulled the plug against the Jets was downright nasty and extremely similar to the Defense DEN uses right now after getting a midseason evaluation. The only real difference was INDY was more susceptible versus the interior running game with poor DT talent. DEN has done much better there this year.

So, give Del Rio mad props for building this defense in a gradual learning mode and slowly working out the kinks. He has done it right and gotten excellent results. As we approach the third mini season, we will see just how good the players are at executing the scheme and winning one on one battles. If they continue to improve and look as good as they have the last few weeks, we will definitely know the talent is there to make a deep playoff run and will be very solid for years to come.

I think they will continue to make strides and especially against some weak sauce offenses coming up. However, I still think the middle of the defense has to make some major strides in coverage to be a great defense capable of playoff dramatics. We shall see.....

Bronco Yoda
11-14-2012, 09:51 AM
'He' has done a great job of coaching this year. I shant not even whisper his name out loud as to arouse the pigskin gods of our Defensive good fortune. Yes, I'm getting paranoid about our rotating coaching every year.

He who's name shall not be said out loud is doing one hell of a job coaching!

baja
11-14-2012, 09:55 AM
I think JDR finally has the players and it has taken a while to let the scheme sink in, get back up to speed calling plays (which he had not done for a long time), and trying to make adjustments outside of the gameplanning phase.

Remember, he drafted the HELL out of the DL in JAX in order to get after one Peyton Manning with very little success. He did get some very good DT's, but he never, ever had the pass rush duo he inherited in DEN.

Also, he has had the benefit of sitting down With Peyton Manning and discussing how other teams attacked his defenses in Jax and what they thought were the weaknesses they could attack. I know Coyer said that he was able to do that when he was here in INDY and Peyton and he compared notes on how to attack teams. Coyers defense in INDY the year they went to the SB and were undefeated until Polian pulled the plug against the Jets was downright nasty and extremely similar to the Defense DEN uses right now after getting a midseason evaluation. The only real difference was INDY was more susceptible versus the interior running game with poor DT talent. DEN has done much better there this year.

So, give Del Rio mad props for building this defense in a gradual learning mode and slowly working out the kinks. He has done it right and gotten excellent results. As we approach the third mini season, we will see just how good the players are at executing the scheme and winning one on one battles. If they continue to improve and look as good as they have the last few weeks, we will definitely know the talent is there to make a deep playoff run and will be very solid for years to come.

I think they will continue to make strides and especially against some weak sauce offenses coming up. However, I still think the middle of the defense has to make some major strides in coverage to be a great defense capable of playoff dramatics. We shall see.....

Do you think DJ will help significantly with that.