Right Wing Folks, are you ready to join the adults?

[Fedaykin]

So now that reality has jumped up and bit you in the face, once again, with precedent defying landslide re-election of mediocre, center-right president despite a poor economy, will the right finally get with the program and start working for the country instead of for their own interests?

For four years now the right has engaged in some of the most embarrassing and counter-productive behavior I have seen in my lifetime. Birthers, 'secret Muslim' conspiracy theories, 2nd amendment fear mongering, extremist tax pledges, and so on.

The right has, as best, contributed nothing, and more likely only added to the problems with obstructionism -- even of ideas that originated with or had serious support of the right -- for the sake of political gain (that has backfired).

And this obstructionism, which I'm sure the righties here will claim isn't happening, isn't just opinion, it's a fact that your politicians will readily admit to; and they'll do so even in writing. Whether it's your political leaders admitting that their number one priority is to further their own agenda (getting the democrat out of the white house), the no compromise take on most issues (even to the extreme of, for example, treating women as expendable brood mares) or all but a handful of your representatives putting in writing that they refuse to, under any circumstance, compromise on fiscal policy it's a mere fools errand to claim that there is even the pretense of cooperation going on within your ranks.

It's despicable that, in a country that is built on a foundation of major compromise, we have a powerful political party that refuses to engage in compromise that is supported by a clear majority of the electorate -- including a large part of their own party.

Is the left wing blameless or even close to perfect? Certainly not.


Now, you may proceed to the personal attacks and other buffoonery.

[Jetmeck]

Not when they think the Bengazi incident is Obama's Watergate.

These a holes will never grow up.

[Rohirrim]

They have a simple ideological answer to this. Obama is not a "real" American, and neither are the people who voted for him. Ipso facto, nothing changes or needs to change.

[Jetmeck]

Does this answer your question ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/secession-petition-white-house_n_2116620.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D233624

[cutthemdown]

Meh not even as bad as last election. At least repubs kept the House which they can use to kep obama from doing everything he wants. Also if they could chip into the 75% Latino support for dems they could do much better. landslide lol.

[Fedaykin]

Meh not even as bad as last election. At least repubs kept the House which they can use to kep obama from doing everything he wants. Also if they could chip into the 75% Latino support for dems they could do much better. landslide lol.

Obama carried more states in 2012 than in 2008. His take of the EVs is lower because of redistribution of seats based on the 2010 census. The President of the U.S. is elected by the states, not the people.

Also, nice way to avoid responding to the point of the post. I'm not surprised.

EDIT My bad, he actually lost a state. Read it backwards.

[cutthemdown]

Obama carried more states in 2012 than in 2008. His take of the EVs is lower because of redistribution of seats based on the 2010 census. The President of the U.S. is elected by the states, not the people.

Also, nice way to avoid responding to the point of the post. I'm not surprised.

And that gerrymandering will continue into the next election. So you can forgot about having the house for quite awhile. It's true Repubs have to do better with Latinos to win who vote dem based on immigration. Repubs will have to relent on that and you can already see them hinting at that.

[Fedaykin]

And that gerrymandering will continue into the next election. So you can forgot about having the house for quite awhile. It's true Repubs have to do better with Latinos to win who vote dem based on immigration. Repubs will have to relent on that and you can already see them hinting at that.

I agree the Ds won't take the house anytime soon due to that gerrymandering (despite national aggregate #s showing essentially a dead even tie for "generic house seat"). What say ye to the obstructionist behavior of those Rs? What say ye to the anti-americanism of no compromise?

[cutthemdown]

The repubs will compromise by embracing the closing of some loopholes to raise tax on rich, and immigration reform. They will hold firm on abortion and income tax.

[Rohirrim]

And that gerrymandering will continue into the next election. So you can forgot about having the house for quite awhile. It's true Repubs have to do better with Latinos to win who vote dem based on immigration. Repubs will have to relent on that and you can already see them hinting at that.

And you think that the Repubs holding onto the House through gerrymandering is a good thing?

[Jetmeck]

And that gerrymandering will continue into the next election. So you can forgot about having the house for quite awhile. It's true Repubs have to do better with Latinos to win who vote dem based on immigration. Repubs will have to relent on that and you can already see them hinting at that.


Finally respond to it and basically tell us its ok ?

[Jetmeck]

The repubs will compromise by embracing the closing of some loopholes to raise tax on rich, and immigration reform. They will hold firm on abortion and income tax.


BS on tax rates, writing on the walls. Mitt Romney and his BS was shot down and his tax policy isn't coming back even if we have to take the asshole repubs and people like you over the cliff.


Get ready for a ride and wake the **** up.

[Fedaykin]

The repubs will compromise by embracing the closing of some loopholes to raise tax on rich, and immigration reform. They will hold firm on abortion and income tax.

Not according to what they have put in writing. Almost all R representatives have signed a pledge saying they will, under no circumstance, raise effective tax rates. Any increase through cutting loopholes must be offset by a reduction in marginal rates, with no quarter given to the idea of raising marginal rates.

[Missouribronc]

Not when they think the Bengazi incident is Obama's Watergate.

These a holes will never grow up.

I mean, really? Who wouldn't want to compromise with someone who immediately calls them an asshole?

Jeesh! The gall of some people!

[houghtam]

And that gerrymandering will continue into the next election. So you can forgot about having the house for quite awhile. It's true Repubs have to do better with Latinos to win who vote dem based on immigration. Repubs will have to relent on that and you can already see them hinting at that.

The fact that you think Latinos vote based on immigration shows how out of touch you are.

I seriously hope the Republicans think this way, too.

And by the way, was it the Latino vote that won Obama Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Colorado and Iowa?

[Jetmeck]

Not according to what they have put in writing. Almost all R representatives have signed a pledge saying they will, under no circumstance, raise effective tax rates. Any increase through cutting loopholes must be offset by a reduction in marginal rates, with no quarter given to the idea of raising marginal rates.



We have the power, after Jan.1st Bush era tax cuts for the rich and everybody else is GONE.

Everyhting after that will be a tax cut....**** you GrOVER nORQUIST.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/483051_493375664017637_905892038_n.jpg

[sutoazul]

The fact that you think Latinos vote based on immigration shows how out of touch you are.

I seriously hope the Republicans think this way, too.

And by the way, was it the Latino vote that won Obama Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Colorado and Iowa?

Thank you!! Everytime I hear this stupid argument is when I feel less represented. Out of issues important to me immigration could be #15 or so.

[Smiling Assassin27]

An election never decides what's right, only what the majority population WANTS. Had the GOP lost the House, then you'd have a point here. Also, given the popular vote count, your 'adult' point is silly.

Still, I say rubber stamp all that the Dems want. YOu wanna see firsthand what the result will be? Be my guest. Just be sure to look in the mirror when bad things happen. If you're willing to be accountable, I'd tell the GOP to push it all through. Of course, NO Dem would be willing to do that. Without SOMEONE else to blame, Dems will never be bold or implement what they say they want.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

An election never decides what's right, only what the majority population WANTS.

Well, at least you're able to admit the majority of Americans don't want the awful policies your party has become known for.

That's progress, I guess. :thumbs:

[Pony Boy]

This is real simple folks..... "there are more people in the wagon than pulling the wagon" and they voted to keep their ass on unemployment and in the bread lines.


As for me, I voted for my Senator and Representative to vote in what I believe in and I expect them to do so or I will vote them out.

[Jetmeck]

This is real simple folks..... "there are more people in the wagon than pulling the wagon" and they voted to keep their ass on unemployment and in the bread lines.


As for me, I voted for my Senator and Representative to vote in what I believe in and I expect them to do so or I will vote them out.


Whatever asswipe............you have never been an adult or realist once on here...............47% believer ? Really ?

We voted democratic cause Romney wanted to go back to policies that put us in this mess and help the rich period.

House was kept by repubs mainly due to them tinkering with redisticting................I am surprised they found time to do that between voting to repeal Obamacare and ending abortion rights ?

Your party is a joke and should and was reputiated for their BS policies and games they play.

[Bacchus]

So now that reality has jumped up and bit you in the face, once again, with precedent defying landslide re-election of mediocre, center-right president despite a poor economy, will the right finally get with the program and start working for the country instead of for their own interests?

For four years now the right has engaged in some of the most embarrassing and counter-productive behavior I have seen in my lifetime. Birthers, 'secret Muslim' conspiracy theories, 2nd amendment fear mongering, extremist tax pledges, and so on.

The right has, as best, contributed nothing, and more likely only added to the problems with obstructionism -- even of ideas that originated with or had serious support of the right -- for the sake of political gain (that has backfired).

And this obstructionism, which I'm sure the righties here will claim isn't happening, isn't just opinion, it's a fact that your politicians will readily admit to; and they'll do so even in writing. Whether it's your political leaders admitting that their number one priority is to further their own agenda (getting the democrat out of the white house), the no compromise take on most issues (even to the extreme of, for example, treating women as expendable brood mares) or all but a handful of your representatives putting in writing that they refuse to, under any circumstance, compromise on fiscal policy it's a mere fools errand to claim that there is even the pretense of cooperation going on within your ranks.

It's despicable that, in a country that is built on a foundation of major compromise, we have a powerful political party that refuses to engage in compromise that is supported by a clear majority of the electorate -- including a large part of their own party.

Is the left wing blameless or even close to perfect? Certainly not.


Now, you may proceed to the personal attacks and other buffoonery.

Join the adults..... uh they are wanting the secede I don't think they are ready for adult decisions as of yet....ROFL!ROFL!

[TonyR]

The GOP could moderate its stance on social issues, or could switch its position on immigration, or what have you. And these things might help or might hurt – I can see arguments for both sides. But I suspect that, ultimately, those questions are window dressing. the GOP cannot become a governing party again if it doesn’t find an economic message that has some relation to the actual economic situation in the country. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/millman/more-demographic-thoughts-on-the-2012-election/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=more-demographic-thoughts-on-the-2012-election

[Pony Boy]

Whatever asswipe............you have never been an adult or realist once on here...............47% believer ? Really ?


Right .......Internet tough guy, you start your post with calling me an asswipe and then say I have never been an adult.... LOL I would be willing to bet I'm over twice your age.

Shouldn't you be crying to your UCubed Leader or whoever it is you cry to about being on the shiate end of the employment stick.

[Fedaykin]

An election never decides what's right, only what the majority population WANTS.

Even in a fake democracy, the people should get what they want once in a while, no?


Had the GOP lost the House, then you'd have a point here. Also, given the popular vote count, your 'adult' point is silly.

Still, I say rubber stamp all that the Dems want. YOu wanna see firsthand what the result will be? Be my guest. Just be sure to look in the mirror when bad things happen. If you're willing to be accountable, I'd tell the GOP to push it all through. Of course, NO Dem would be willing to do that. Without SOMEONE else to blame, Dems will never be bold or implement what they say they want.

Nice strawman. I did not argue for a 100% left agenda. I called out the righists that refuse to compromise, AT ALL.

Are you too daft to understand the difference, or just to dishonest to acknowledge reality?

[cutthemdown]

The right will compromise on some revenue increases for sure Fed. What they wont budge on is raising the marginal tax brackets. At least IMO they won't. What happens if they raise the marginal rate on the over 250 grand bracket and it doesn't fix anything? Govt will make some more revenue but it won't stimulate the economy and could even cost some jobs.

When it doesn't work they will come for those middle class brackets.

[cutthemdown]

Whatever asswipe............you have never been an adult or realist once on here...............47% believer ? Really ?

We voted democratic cause Romney wanted to go back to policies that put us in this mess and help the rich period.

House was kept by repubs mainly due to them tinkering with redisticting................I am surprised they found time to do that between voting to repeal Obamacare and ending abortion rights ?

Your party is a joke and should and was reputiated for their BS policies and games they play.

You realize before that it was the dems who gerrymandered in their favor right? it's just how it goes lil fella. The fact is though repubs looking very good to keep the house all 4 yrs of Obamas lame duck term.

They will bend on taxes just enough this first yr to make the people see they did some dealing. Then they will soften on immigration and help push reform through. In the meantime the economy will be stagnant if not pushed into another recession which they can then blame 100% on Obama. Things aren't as bad as liberals think. The reason is because even though they have some power right now they will screw it up. Just like Clinton screwed it up. Gore would have won for sure if not for Clinton deciding he had time to **** interns and get caught. Obama will blow it because he's not a smart economic leader.

[Fedaykin]

The right will compromise on some revenue increases for sure Fed. What they wont budge on is raising the marginal tax brackets. At least IMO they won't.

You keep saying that, and completely ignoring that almost all of them have pledged (and backed up with action, repeatedly) to do exactly the opposite.

You're also a fool if you think that cutting deductions won't affect the middle class. The vast bulks of deductions/credits are a.) mortgage b.) retirement c.) child welfare and d.) state sales/income tax and e.) charitable deductions.

Those are five things that are leveraged by the lower and middle classes and changes to those deductions will have a HUGE impact on those groups.

You think Mitt Romney will even notice if he can't keep the $10,000 deduction on his mortgage and a $16,000 deduction from his 401k? What about the family making $60,000? Think they'll notice? What about you?

Hint: the reason 47% of people (instead of significantly less) don't pay income tax is due to deductions not because they don't quality for any marginal rates.


What happens if they raise the marginal rate on the over 250 grand bracket and it doesn't fix anything? Govt will make some more revenue but it won't stimulate the economy and could even cost some jobs.

When it doesn't work they will come for those middle class brackets.

You're a fool if you think we'll close a ~1T deficit without causing economic damage on some level. What we have to do, what I've said a dozen times here, is work the problem from both sides over several years. Provide steady but manageable pressure until we fix the problem.

Huge, abrupt spending cuts = millions more in the unemployment lines (and essentially no savings because they'll be getting unemployment insurance and we'll be losing tax revenue to boot!)

Huge, abrupt tax increases would also be problematic -- more so unless they are targeted at the upper earners rather than the lower earners -- being that the lower earners purchasing power is what drives economic growth (not money sitting in Bain Capital's pockets)

[Fedaykin]

They will bend on taxes just enough this first yr to make the people see they did some dealing. Then they will soften on immigration and help push reform through. In the meantime the economy will be stagnant if not pushed into another recession which they can then blame 100% on Obama. Things aren't as bad as liberals think. The reason is because even though they have some power right now they will screw it up. Just like Clinton screwed it up. Gore would have won for sure if not for Clinton deciding he had time to **** interns and get caught. Obama will blow it because he's not a smart economic leader.

The short version of the above: The Republicans will continue to work in their own interests instead of the interests of the country, and cutt approves.

[TonyR]

Great read, illustrating the stupidity of the Romney campaign and the GOP:

Last week, Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan became the first presidential ticket since 1972 to fail to carry the home states of either candidate. In 1972, George McGovern and Sargent Shriver carried neither South Dakota nor Maryland; last week, Romney and Ryan carried neither Massachusetts nor Wisconsin. Romney's chance in the very-blue Bay State was always slim. That made a running mate who could bring a swing state to the ticket especially important. But Ryan not only failed to carry his state, he failed to carry his own home county. This suggests Romney's choice of Ryan was the fatal mistake of his candidacy.

Many expected Romney to choose Sen. Rob Portman, who since the retirement of John Glenn has been Ohio's most respected politician. For Republicans, the relationship between carrying Ohio and winning the White House is not some closely guarded secret. Portman wanted to be on the Romney ticket; this presence would have given Republicans a terrific chance to win Ohio.

Equally important, as a moderate, Portman would have given the ticket appeal to independents and moderates. The Republican need to appeal to independents and moderates is not a carefully guarded secret, either. Obama drew more than 90 percent of the Democratic vote, Romney drew more than 90 percent of the Republican vote. The candidates basically split the independent-and-moderate vote. Because Democrats somewhat outnumber Republicans, Romney needed clear victory among independents and moderates. When he merely split those blocs, Obama retained the White House.

Ryan may be the economic genius he claims to be, or may be a self-promoting crackpot. But how could anyone think his finger-jabbing fact-inventing persona would appeal to the middle? Ryan didn't even appeal to his hometown! A Romney-Portman ticket could have presented itself as calm voices of reason and skill. The Romney-Ryan ticket presented itself an accomplished man plus a loose cannon.

Ryan may been a champion to the far-right base, but most members of the far-right base live in states the Republican ticket would have carried regardless. To top it off, Ryan simultaneously ran for vice president and for re-election to the House. This all but announced Ryan expected Romney to lose, and was in the campaign solely for self-promotion. When, in 1988, Michael Dukakis's running mate Lloyd Bentsen simultaneously ran for vice-president and for re-election to the Senate, then failed to carry his own state, the Democratic Party was widely ridiculed. This year, Republicans stepped on the same land mine.

If Romney had picked Portman, there's a good chance he would have carried Ohio, and his odds in Florida would have been better. Romney might today be preparing for his inauguration. That he did not pick Portman suggests Romney has poor political instincts -- which means he shouldn't be president.
http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/story/_/id/8624420/tmq-evaluates-top-teams-heading-playoff-race

[Rohirrim]

Great read, illustrating the stupidity of the Romney campaign and the GOP:


http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/story/_/id/8624420/tmq-evaluates-top-teams-heading-playoff-race

I remember saying on this forum the day he picked Ryan that he had lost the election.

[DenverBrit]

An election never decides what's right,

You can't think of one US election where the 'right thing' was accomplished?

[Jetmeck]

The right will compromise on some revenue increases for sure Fed. What they wont budge on is raising the marginal tax brackets. At least IMO they won't. What happens if they raise the marginal rate on the over 250 grand bracket and it doesn't fix anything? Govt will make some more revenue but it won't stimulate the economy and could even cost some jobs.

When it doesn't work they will come for those middle class brackets.


Jan 1st taxrates are going up for rich people.....count on it.

[Jetmeck]

You realize before that it was the dems who gerrymandered in their favor right? it's just how it goes lil fella. The fact is though repubs looking very good to keep the house all 4 yrs of Obamas lame duck term.

They will bend on taxes just enough this first yr to make the people see they did some dealing. Then they will soften on immigration and help push reform through. In the meantime the economy will be stagnant if not pushed into another recession which they can then blame 100% on Obama. Things aren't as bad as liberals think. The reason is because even though they have some power right now they will screw it up. Just like Clinton screwed it up. Gore would have won for sure if not for Clinton deciding he had time to **** interns and get caught. Obama will blow it because he's not a smart economic leader.



This guy and his type are the problem...he just said so /\


Hillary Clinton will take over for BARACK and your side has not one politician to rival Clinton's popularity and you know it...........your screwd for 8-12 years dude.

Have fun with that and **** off.

We won your side lost.

Don't keep on with this ignorance !

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is real simple folks..... "there are more people in the wagon than pulling the wagon" and they voted to keep their ass on unemployment and in the bread lines.



You're just as out of touch with reality as the morons who predicted a Romney landslide - probably because you get your "facts" from the same sources.

It's because of delusional idiots like you that your party is on a countdown to extinction.

[TonyR]

Too many people have spent the past four years obsessed with birth certificates. Now they are obsessed with voter fraud conspiracies, talk of secession, and supposed election changing news stories if only we had known. So let’s add dabblers in this latest nuttiness to birthers as a category of people we do not welcome at RedState. Our aim is to beat the Democrats, not beat a retreat to a Confederacy that Generals Grant and Sherman rent asunder well over a hundred years ago. Even here at RedState, while we may not much care for him, President Obama is still our President and we are still quite happily citizens of the United States. If we must drain this fever swamp that’s taken hold of a few people on the right over this past week before we can drain the swamp in Washington, so be it." - Erick Erickson

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/13/is-it-time-to-roll-up-the-welcome-mat-here/