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Bacchus
11-11-2012, 10:17 AM
I mean really, the RUN EVERYTIME on first down and they run EVERYTIME on 3rd and short.

Elway used to pass in the first quarter to set up the run. 1st quarter punts are getting old.

bronco militia
11-11-2012, 10:44 AM
shanahan left 4 years ago

broncobum6162
11-11-2012, 02:09 PM
Welcome life w McCoy...

Bacchus
11-11-2012, 02:11 PM
LOL... that first series pi66ed me off bad!!! I tried to delete the thread and it wouldn't let me.

DENVERDUI55
11-11-2012, 02:12 PM
Welcome life w McCoy...

Whatever dude Mccoy is a good coach that has shown great ability to design offense for his personel. He will get HC gig next year. That being said we do need to set up run with the pass. We need to sign another back in my opinion.

Al Wilson
11-11-2012, 02:16 PM
I mean really, the RUN EVERYTIME on first down and they run EVERYTIME on 3rd and short.

Elway used to pass in the first quarter to set up the run. 1st quarter punts are getting old.
Those first down runs are way too predictable. Sometimes I just want to grab the tv and smash it. They should call more playaction plays on first down. That way the defense will be on its heels.

Bacchus
11-11-2012, 02:21 PM
Those first down runs are way too predictable. Sometimes I just want to grab the tv and smash it. They should call more playaction plays on first down. That way the defense will be on its heels.

Denver needs to come out and pass everytime the first series. All the way to eith the punt, FG or TD. And do play action pass everytime.

I played DE in college and if the team was a running team and they kept passing you always thought the next play was going to be a run.

Agamemnon
11-11-2012, 02:23 PM
I mean really, the RUN EVERYTIME on first down and they run EVERYTIME on 3rd and short.

Elway used to pass in the first quarter to set up the run. 1st quarter punts are getting old.

To be fair in those Super Bowl years we ran far more to set up the pass than the other way around, but it's a different NFL now and our run game is laughable when compared to the Terrell Davis years.

Oh and I do agree with you on the predictability of the playcalling. Honestly it's a joke.

Agamemnon
11-11-2012, 02:27 PM
Whatever dude Mccoy is a good coach that has shown great ability to design offense for his personel. He will get HC gig next year. That being said we do need to set up run with the pass. We need to sign another back in my opinion.

LOL at you thinking McCoy is a good coach. Why? Because his offense only ever gets rolling when his stupid run-on-every-first-down playcalling is thrown out the window? Honestly the amount of times this offense has stalled this season despite Manning playing as well as he ever has is just pathetic. Period.

underrated29
11-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Lol, there are still McCoy defenders out there.

Vine
11-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Whatever dude Mccoy is a good coach that has shown great ability to design offense for his personel. He will get HC gig next year. That being said we do need to set up run with the pass. We need to sign another back in my opinion.


This is the most retarded post ever. Last year, McCoy failed spectacularly in designing an offense the personnel, especially considering the qb that he needed to design an offense for.

DENVERDUI55
11-11-2012, 02:35 PM
LOL at you thinking McCoy is a good coach. Why? Because his offense only ever gets rolling when his stupid run-on-every-first-down playcalling is thrown out the window? Honestly the amount of times this offense has stalled this season despite Manning playing as well as he ever has is just pathetic. Period.

Our offense is fine. Of course we had growing pains early on and we have been great lately. I'll bet you expected the offense to look like colts from 5 years ago out of the gate. You want to blame McCoy when Manning probably has more imput.

Agamemnon
11-11-2012, 02:38 PM
Our offense is fine. Of course we had growing pains early on and we have been great lately. I'll bet you expected the offense to look like colts from 5 years ago out of the gate. You want to blame McCoy when Manning probably has more imput.

Right...because Manning teams have a long history of predictable run plays on 1st down... ::)

Bacchus
11-11-2012, 02:38 PM
To be fair in those Super Bowl years we ran far more to set up the pass than the other way around, but it's a different NFL now and our run game is laughable when compared to the Terrell Davis years.

Oh and I do agree with you on the predictability of the playcalling. Honestly it's a joke.

That is not really true. A lot of the times Elway would come out and start throwing the ball in the first quarter to loosen up the defense for TD.

Bacchus
11-11-2012, 02:40 PM
This is the most retarded post ever. Last year, McCoy failed spectacularly in designing an offense the personnel, especially considering the qb that he needed to design an offense for.

That is a retarded post. in fact that is so spactacularly retarded it make me think you are a Teboner.

DENVERDUI55
11-11-2012, 02:40 PM
This is the most retarded post ever. Last year, McCoy failed spectacularly in designing an offense the personnel, especially considering the qb that he needed to design an offense for.

Not sure what Broncos you watched but I saw a QB that couldn't run a normal offense and saw McCoy put in whole new system in 2 weeks to fit a fb playing qb.

fontaine
11-11-2012, 02:46 PM
How do you freeze/bring in the Mike or Will on 2nd/3rd downs when so many of your passes go across the middle?

Like it or not, a LOT of what we do in the pass games is around the middle and for that you definitely need to run the ball a lot of the times on 1st down for play action then to really work.

Vine
11-11-2012, 02:49 PM
Not sure what Broncos you watched but I saw a QB that couldn't run a normal offense and saw McCoy put in whole new system in 2 weeks to fit a fb playing qb.

I never suggested McCoy needed to design a normal offense. Just not one in which you pass on 98% of all first downs. Any team who is THAT predictable is doomed to struggle.

Agamemnon
11-11-2012, 02:51 PM
That is not really true. A lot of the times Elway would come out and start throwing the ball in the first quarter to loosen up the defense for TD.

They did both. They were quite balanced in general, but they still ran to set up the play action a lot of the time.

Agamemnon
11-11-2012, 02:56 PM
That is a retarded post. in fact that is so spactacularly retarded it make me think you are a Teboner.

The only retardation I ever see on this topic is that of those who see constant two receiver sets and only ever being allowed to throw on third down as "adapting the offense to Tebow". I mean sure, he made changes, but his changes sucked and generally only made passing all that much harder for the kid. McCoy sucks. Manning is good enough to overcome it a lot of the time while Tebow obviously wasn't, but the fact remains that McCoy really, really, really sucks.

Bacchus
11-11-2012, 03:13 PM
How do you freeze/bring in the Mike or Will on 2nd/3rd downs when so many of your passes go across the middle?

Like it or not, a LOT of what we do in the pass games is around the middle and for that you definitely need to run the ball a lot of the times on 1st down for play action then to really work.

When you always run on first down and pass on 2nd down how is that freeing up the middle?

You could do the play action pass on first down and the **** would be wide open!!

oubronco
11-11-2012, 03:26 PM
When you always run on first down and pass on 2nd down how is that freeing up the middle?

You could do the play action pass on first down and the **** would be wide open!!

Saving it for NE in the playoffs

SonOfLe-loLang
11-11-2012, 04:04 PM
The only thing that annoys me is when they bunch the formation on 3rd and 1 and run. I think this works about 1 out of ten times. You have arguably the greatest QB in the game back there. Spread the field and let Peyton make the decision whether or not to run. Our offensive line isnt that great at run blocking.

oubronco
11-11-2012, 04:09 PM
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DBroncos4life
11-11-2012, 04:12 PM
This is the most retarded post ever. Last year, McCoy failed spectacularly in designing an offense the personnel, especially considering the qb that he needed to design an offense for.

I love it when you come in here and post dumb **** after dumb ****. Move on to the Jets board ROFL!

maher_tyler
11-11-2012, 04:19 PM
I don't think it is near as bad as it was last year. Sometimes guys need to execute better. My only concern on O is our fumbling issue. If we played the Bears this year i think Tillman might set a single game record of most force fumbles in 1 game!

Don Flamenco
11-11-2012, 04:31 PM
Use the pass to set up the McGahee fumble more like it.

Is he really that much better than Ball when he loses a fumble every other game?

Mediator12
11-11-2012, 05:22 PM
The funny thing is that Manning has playcall discretion on every play and people are still blaming Mccoy ;D

Seriously, Manning checks every single play at the LOS and decides to run or pass based on the defense. Just because they struggled to run the ball on first down against the right defense does not make it a playcall error, that is an execution error. I just laugh watching this argument play out again......

DENVERDUI55
11-11-2012, 05:32 PM
The funny thing is that Manning has playcall discretion on every play and people are still blaming Mccoy ;D

Seriously, Manning checks every single play at the LOS and decides to run or pass based on the defense. Just because they struggled to run the ball on first down against the right defense does not make it a playcall error, that is an execution error. I just laugh watching this argument play out again......

It's a complete joke when people constantly say that. Along when they rip McCoy and he is the one getting HC job interviews. People honestly think they know more than these coaches MED its funny.

broncobum6162
11-12-2012, 06:21 PM
Whatever dude Mccoy is a good coach that has shown great ability to design offense for his personel. He will get HC gig next year. That being said we do need to set up run with the pass. We need to sign another back in my opinion.

You really have to be kidding...(about him being a good coach) The other part I hope happens. Very predictable and conservative....good riddance IMHO...It still amazes me what people see in this dude as an OC...

errand
11-12-2012, 06:33 PM
I've come to the conclusion that some people will never be satisfied, no matter what....

We're 6-3 and yet we have numerous posts by people acting like we're 1-7....

RedskinBronco
11-12-2012, 06:53 PM
I've come to the conclusion that some people will never be satisfied, no matter what....

We're 6-3 and yet we have numerous posts by people acting like we're 1-7....

Yeah, I am happy with where we stand.

There are things that need to be cleaned up, but both sides of the ball are pretty darn solid and the stats reflect it (along with the eye test)

TonyR
11-12-2012, 07:43 PM
Sometimes running the ball isn't just about getting yards (although they are certainly nice). It's about setting up the defense for play action. Sucking the linebacker into the line of scrimmage is that important when you work the middle of the field and the seams as often as the Broncos do. One of the things you have to appreciate about Peyton Manning is that he won't abandon the run at the first sign of resistance. So, those two- and three-yard gains that seem so boring to you? Patience, Daniel-san. http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/gut-reaction-week-10-broncos-at-panthers