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OrangeSe7en
11-06-2012, 07:45 PM
Romney needs Florida, Virginia, North Carolina and Ohio. He loses any of those it is over.

Florida is a virtual lock for Obama at this point with so many votes still coming in from Dade Co..

Also, it doesn't look like Ohio will go his way either.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 07:45 PM
Joe Donnelly wins in Indiana. Wow! Mourdock just sank himself with his big mouth.

ghwk
11-06-2012, 07:50 PM
Joe Donnelly wins in Indiana. Wow! Mourdock just sank himself with his big mouth.

Warren wins that is good too.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 07:51 PM
Obama takes New Hampshire. Only 4 electoral votes, but that was a swing state.

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 07:53 PM
CBS just called Elizabeth Warren to the Senate! I voted for her!

I sent her some money!!

Bigdawg26
11-06-2012, 07:55 PM
Florida is a virtual lock for Obama at this point with so many votes still coming in from Dade Co..

Also, it doesn't look like Ohio will go his way either.

Yeah I hope your right!

ghwk
11-06-2012, 08:05 PM
Hmm Republican but kicking in progress.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 08:07 PM
Claire McCaskill wins.

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 08:10 PM
Claire McCaskill wins.

Wow, never would have believed that in June.

DENVERDUI55
11-06-2012, 08:13 PM
The only question left is will Romney even win 1 swing state?

ColoradoDarin
11-06-2012, 08:15 PM
Here to eat some crow - Nate Silver it looking really good right now.

bowtown
11-06-2012, 08:15 PM
Runaway.

BowlenBall
11-06-2012, 08:16 PM
The only question left is will Romney even win 1 swing state?

Looks like both Virginia and North Carolina will break for Romney to me....

Dexter
11-06-2012, 08:19 PM
ANYONE WATCHING 9news in denver?! WTF was that about re arapaho county. "Oh by the way, you're under criminal investigation." Then they cut to the national coverage..


What the hell was that about?

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 08:22 PM
Can you imagine the **** storm if 93 percent of white people voted for the white guy...?

How is that such a glossed over fact lol?

razorwire77
11-06-2012, 08:23 PM
Fat Lady is warming up.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 08:26 PM
Can you imagine the **** storm if 93 percent of white people voted for the white guy...?

How is that such a glossed over fact lol?

And that's why I don't support popular elections...

Jay3
11-06-2012, 08:27 PM
It's not over. Romney could very well win Ohio, Virginia, NC, and FL. All still in play. He probably wins if he draws all four.

gyldenlove
11-06-2012, 08:29 PM
Can you imagine the **** storm if 93 percent of white people voted for the white guy...?

How is that such a glossed over fact lol?

I will worry about that when you have had 43 consecutive black guys in office....

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 08:29 PM
And that's why I don't support popular elections...

I mean... I totally get it. Voting issues aside, he also represents a large civil rights achievement for our nation as a whole, but obviously blacks will associate and resonate with that even much more.

...but still, 93% is a ****ing staggering figure, right? Ha! I mean, even 80 would probably be over-the-top.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 08:30 PM
I will worry about that when you have had 43 consecutive black guys in office....

Shut the **** up...

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 08:31 PM
I mean... I totally get it. Voting issues aside, he also represents a large civil rights achievement for our nation as a whole, but obviously blacks will associate and resonate with that even much more.

...but still, 93% is a ****ing staggering figure, right? Ha! I mean, even 80 would probably be over-the-top.

Especially considering the fact that so many are overcoming their religious reservations about gay marriage. They're voting along the skin color boundary and nothing else. I really thought the novelty of him would have worn off so we could get back to a legitimate election.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 08:32 PM
I will worry about that when you have had 43 consecutive black guys in office....

That's cute to say, but I worry that parties will start basing their nominations over minority racial loyalty and from a figure like 93%, that's an extremely disturbing possibility.

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Shut the **** up...

HAHA That response means you just got owned!!

http://nballin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tysonchandler-owned-duncan-parker.jpg

razorwire77
11-06-2012, 08:33 PM
It's over. There's still a huge vote number to be tallied in Southeastern Florida. Once that count is done, Florida will go blue.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 08:34 PM
HAHA That response means you just got owned!!


Trolling responses don't merit a logical response.

Would you try to reason with someone plugging their ears and screaming "I can't hear you!"?

SportinOne
11-06-2012, 08:34 PM
Obama takes Wisconsin. That's a biggie. Looks like Ryan couldn't deliver his home state.

Where are you seeing that Wisconsin went for Obama? I'm IN Wisconsin and watching a huge screen at the university and they aren't projecting it either way yet. Weird.

Kaylore
11-06-2012, 08:36 PM
I guess Wisconsin was declared for Obama already.

It is extremely unlikely that Romney is going to make up a 2% deficit with 80% of precincts reporting in Ohio. He could still squeak out Florida.

gyldenlove
11-06-2012, 08:40 PM
I am seeing Romney holding a lead in Wisconsin....

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 08:42 PM
It's over. There's still a huge vote number to be tallied in Southeastern Florida. Once that count is done, Florida will go blue.

Well, good thing Jeb Bush still isn't Governor there.

SportinOne
11-06-2012, 08:42 PM
I guess Wisconsin was declared for Obama already.

It is extremely unlikely that Romney is going to make up a 2% deficit with 80% of precincts reporting in Ohio. He could still squeak out Florida.

Not if you look at the counties that are left. Florida is all Obama needs at this point and it is his.

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 08:44 PM
Trolling responses don't merit a logical response.

Would you try to reason with someone plugging their ears and screaming "I can't hear you!"?

He wasn't trolling. He was responding to a post of someone whining about black turnout and voting for Obama.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 08:44 PM
...America went black and isn't coming back?

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 08:46 PM
I saw this same sort of election in Iraq. Vote for your [insert affiliation here] - policies be damned.

Kaylore
11-06-2012, 08:46 PM
I am seeing Romney holding a lead in Wisconsin....

Well even if he holds there, he would need to win Iowa and Florida. Right now Obama is barely winning in Florida. The panhandle votes are coming in, but if he loses Florida its over. Theoretically Romney could lose Ohio and win Iowa, Colorado and Wisconsin and become President. It looks like a realllllll long shot.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 08:46 PM
He wasn't trolling. He was responding to a post of someone whining about black turnout and voting for Obama.

Whining about black turnout?

No... just pointing out that 93% is a pretty powerful indicator of voting along racial lines and not substantive issues.

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 08:46 PM
...America went black and isn't coming back?

The wining side is black, brown, yellow, young and has young vaginas. The losing side is mostly bitter white guys and their spouses.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 08:47 PM
He wasn't trolling. He was responding to a post of someone whining about black turnout and voting for Obama.

He was absolutely trolling. Was there a reasonable black candidate for president running against George Washington? How about Adams? Jefferson? Stop me when I get to the first president where there might have been a reasonable black candidate...

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 08:50 PM
The wining side is black, brown, yellow, young and has young vaginas. The losing side is mostly bitter white guys and their spouses.

When people start voting for the candidate who can deliver them the most benefits, democracy loses.

Remember that old saying about asking what you can do for your country rather than what it can do for you? Yeah... a long dead sentiment.

I wouldn't necessarily care if Romney lost if this were an election about the future of the country. Instead, it's all about making people personal promises. The minorities and women were said to be the key to this election. I wonder why that is...

OrangeSe7en
11-06-2012, 08:51 PM
Well even if he holds there, he would need to win Iowa and Florida. Right now Obama is barely winning in Florida. The panhandle votes are coming in, but if he loses Florida its over. Theoretically Romney could lose Ohio and win Iowa, Colorado and Wisconsin and become President. It looks like a realllllll long shot.

In Dade Co., Obama has a lead of something like 62-38%. And this is a county that has over 100 votes still out there. Even if those %s shift in Romneys favor by 5%, thats's still a huge disparity to add to the lead Obama already has.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 08:54 PM
In Dade Co., Obama has a lead of something like 62-38%. And this is a county that has over 100 votes still out there. Even if those %s shift in Romneys favor by 5%, thats's still a huge disparity to add to the lead Obama already has.

That's my concern... how highly populated that area is.

OrangeSe7en
11-06-2012, 09:01 PM
That's my concern... how highly populated that area is.

It's also Broward Co.

Florida appears to be a fait accompli for Obama at this point. There arent enough outstanding votes in other places and in Broward and Dade Counties, Obama is getting 60% of those counties.

Kid A
11-06-2012, 09:02 PM
Denver Post calls Colorado for Obama.

Broncoman13
11-06-2012, 09:02 PM
I guess Wisconsin was declared for Obama already.

It is extremely unlikely that Romney is going to make up a 2% deficit with 80% of precincts reporting in Ohio. He could still squeak out Florida.

He can make it up... He closes the gap in votes by .5% for every 3-5% reporting. Should be close!

Kaylore
11-06-2012, 09:02 PM
Yeah I think I'm going to bed. It was a close election. Hard fought. It's sad to see Colorado go for Obama two years in a row. We did hold onto the house. I just really hope Obama decides to compromise and not be the arrogant dick hole he's been this time around.

The fact that Garry Johnson siphoned off 20k votes makes me mad. Third party candidates just give elections to the person least in line with their view. See: Nader in 2000. Anyway, congrats to Obama and to you Democrats. I hope you guys make things better. The country really needs the help. You have an impressive ground game and it's clearly powerful. We'll need to answer again. Hopefully 2014 is like 2010 and we can get the Senate back. See you in two years!

OrangeSe7en
11-06-2012, 09:03 PM
They now have Obama at 243 with Florida's 29 still out there. 243+29=272

OrangeSe7en
11-06-2012, 09:04 PM
Yeah I think I'm going to bed. It was a close election. Hard fought. It's sad to see Colorado go for Obama two years in a row. We did hold onto the house. I just really hope Obama decides to compromise and not be the arrogant dick hole he's been this time around.

The fact that Garry Johnson siphoned off 20k votes makes me mad. Third party candidates just give elections to the person least in line with their view. See: Nader in 2000. Anyway, congrats to Obama and to you Democrats. I hope you guys make things better. The country really needs the help. You have an impressive ground game and it's clearly powerful. We'll need to answer again. Hopefully 2014 is like 2010 and we can get the Senate back. See you in two years!

The problem isn't the 3rd parties. It's the 2 party system.

Broncoman13
11-06-2012, 09:06 PM
They are talking 10,000 vote difference in FL! Mandatory recount coming.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:09 PM
The problem isn't the 3rd parties. It's the 2 party system.

It isn't even necessarily the 2 party system. It's ignorant voters.

There's a reason they were soliciting votes from ignorant fools on the streets when the founding fathers wrote up the constitution.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:10 PM
Iowa goes into the blue column.

Kaylore
11-06-2012, 09:10 PM
The problem isn't the 3rd parties. It's the 2 party system.

A multi-party system wouldn't make things that different. Really, it wouldn't. A Republican from New York has more in common with Democrat from Nebraska than some in his own party. Most of these politicians aren't the same issue to issue. If you think grouping them into smaller, more defined sub-categories will make a difference, it wouldn't. Even in multi-party systems, they have to form coalitions.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 09:11 PM
The problem isn't the 3rd parties. It's the 2 party system.

Vehemently agree with this.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:12 PM
If one more state goes blue, Obama wins.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:14 PM
Game over. Ohio goes to Obama.

Bronco Boy
11-06-2012, 09:16 PM
Looks like Romney will be amending his tax return tomorrow.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:17 PM
Something just occurred to me. Four years ago, all the Wall Street biggies backed Obama. Then, in this election, they jumped ship and all of them went with Romney. Obama owes Wall Street nothing. Maybe I'll finally get to see some of those greedy bastards do the perp walk. ;D

On another note, it would be nice to see Mitch McConnell's face right now. :rofl:

broncolife
11-06-2012, 09:18 PM
I guess ill be stocking up on some food this week

OrangeSe7en
11-06-2012, 09:18 PM
A multi-party system wouldn't make things that different. Really, it wouldn't. A Republican from New York has more in common with Democrat from Nebraska than some in his own party. Most of these politicians aren't the same issue to issue. If you think grouping them into smaller, more defined sub-categories will make a difference, it wouldn't. Even in multi-party systems, they have to form coalitions.

Not at all. There's a massive difference between golfing against your playing partner and golfing against an entire field. Having more parties in the mix would force candidates to focus on their message. Mudslinging would be problematic.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 09:18 PM
Well shucks.

Congrats to Obama and co.

Hope this time he gets around to delivering on that "hope" and "change"

Bronco Yoda
11-06-2012, 09:19 PM
Game over

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 09:19 PM
Looks like Obama already has 275 of the electoral votes and Romney has 203...

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:20 PM
Game over. Ohio goes to Obama.

Who is calling it?

I am on my phone and CNN wasn't updated I figured they would be the first. That's the reason I asked.

OrangeSe7en
11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
Are the people in Florida, who were still waiting in line to vote, watching this?

gunns
11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
Oh hell yes! Thank God!

24champ
11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
Oh well. Four more years of the same. Absolutely nothing has changed in DC.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
Who is calling it?

NBC.

SportinOne
11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
Ballgame.. That was easy. Now maybe republicans will get out of the way.

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
Although Romney is winning the popular vote, so he has that going for him...

enjolras
11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
Who is calling it?

MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News.

This is done.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:22 PM
MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News.

This is done.

Cool thanks.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:22 PM
Ballgame.. That was easy. Now maybe republicans will get out of the way.

I hope they lock that bitch down. The only thing worse than Obama's first term will be Obama when he doesn't have to pretend to be in the center to preserve reelection.

enjolras
11-06-2012, 09:22 PM
Although Romney is winning the popular vote, so he has that going for him...

California still has a ton of votes to count.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:23 PM
Although Romney is winning the popular vote, so he has that going for him...

At least it'll be a retort to those still whining about Gore getting the shaft.

Ratboy
11-06-2012, 09:23 PM
Well, hopefully Obama pulls through and gets the military out of Afghanistan.

Miss I.
11-06-2012, 09:24 PM
am confused, did Obama lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote? Why is the stuff on the interwebs calling it for Obama? Also why am I up at 4am in the UK? who will be my boss when my brain wakes up? Dude the legalize marijuana thing passed?

Dunno I never trust anything I see after 2000 election. Florida is probably gonna impregnate some chads or something.

jutang
11-06-2012, 09:24 PM
Republicans need to adjust their strategy in building their base.
Romney got the majority of votes for whites, seniors, males and lost the election.

alkemical
11-06-2012, 09:25 PM
I guess ill be stocking up on some food this week

you can get what you need to grow food year round @ http://www.hydro-ponics.com

:)

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 09:25 PM
At least it'll be a retort to those still whining about Gore getting the shaft.

that's what I'm thinking too. I love the electoral college, it's here for a reason and both conservatives and liberals should recognize this.

Bronco Yoda
11-06-2012, 09:26 PM
Fox news just announced Romney the winner...

gunns
11-06-2012, 09:26 PM
Well, hopefully Obama pulls through and gets the military out of Afghanistan.

Amen. So thankful he did it in Iraq, let's do it again, soon.

baja
11-06-2012, 09:26 PM
Republicans need to adjust their strategy in building their base.
Romney got the majority of votes for whites, seniors, males and lost the election.


Welcome to 2012

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:26 PM
Well, hopefully Obama pulls through and gets the military out of Afghanistan.

He campaigned on pulling out of Iraq then was in discussions to extend our presence there. I have no reason to doubt that he'll maintain the current schedule but hoping he'll go out of his way to speed it up is a pipe dream.

Irish Stout
11-06-2012, 09:26 PM
Now to find a way we can all just get along.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:29 PM
Republicans need to adjust their strategy in building their base.
Romney got the majority of votes for whites, seniors, males and lost the election.

The candidate promising the most handouts will win every election from here on out. THAT is what you'll have to focus on. It's not about the party base at all. The R party as a whole might be obsolete at this point.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 09:29 PM
"The masses are asses" - Benjamin Franklin

Chris
11-06-2012, 09:30 PM
Yeah I think I'm going to bed. It was a close election. Hard fought. It's sad to see Colorado go for Obama two years in a row. We did hold onto the house. I just really hope Obama decides to compromise and not be the arrogant dick hole he's been this time around.

The fact that Garry Johnson siphoned off 20k votes makes me mad. Third party candidates just give elections to the person least in line with their view. See: Nader in 2000. Anyway, congrats to Obama and to you Democrats. I hope you guys make things better. The country really needs the help. You have an impressive ground game and it's clearly powerful. We'll need to answer again. Hopefully 2014 is like 2010 and we can get the Senate back. See you in two years!

Reporting from NY - people are honking and whistling on my street.

Anyways, I hope you take solace knowing that this election has advanced Mormonism's public image, regardless of the result.

Personally I also look forward to the Republican party doing some soul searching, returning from the far right to the right like they were in the 80s (they're going to have to if they want the latino vote).

I can't wait to one day feel like I've got two good choices, not a bad choice and a less bad one.

Man Kaylore goes to bed early!

Broncoman13
11-06-2012, 09:30 PM
Ohio isn't over yet... I don't think

swaiy
11-06-2012, 09:30 PM
Are they really trying to say Hurricane Sandy was part of the reason Romney lost? That's weak.

Miss I.
11-06-2012, 09:31 PM
Now to find a way we can all just get along.

well they passed the marijuana thing in CO so let's all go there and mellow out together. ;D

enjolras
11-06-2012, 09:32 PM
Ohio isn't over yet... I don't think

Literally everyone is calling it.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:33 PM
Ohio isn't over yet... I don't think

It's done. Unless recounts and dangling chads come into play.

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 09:33 PM
Reporting from NY - people are honking and whistling on my street.

Anyways, I hope you take solace knowing that this election has advanced Mormonism's public image, regardless of the result.

Personally I also look forward to the Republican party doing some soul searching, returning from the far right to the right like they were in the 80s (they're going to have to if they want the latino vote).

I can't wait to one day feel like I've got two good choices, not a bad choice and a less bad one.

Man Kaylore goes to bed early!

Meh, Romney was about as middle of the road Republican as you will find. So much so that maybe, just maybe, the "masses" don't see enough difference between him and BO to make a change?

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:33 PM
Are they really trying to say Hurricane Sandy was part of the reason Romney lost? That's weak.

You had to see it would have an impact when Christie was praising Obama the week before the election. They said Obama is currently polling higher than he was at any point since the first debate. The hurricane had an impact, no doubt.

The fact that the Republicans nominated a terrible candidate... that might've had a larger impact, though.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 09:33 PM
Ohio isn't over yet... I don't think

Its over man. Just let it go. ROFL!

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:34 PM
well they passed the marijuana thing in CO so let's all go there and mellow out together. ;D

7-11's in Colorado are honking their horns and cheering all over the state......

swaiy
11-06-2012, 09:35 PM
Maybe the Romney family should have purchased more voting machines in Ohio? ???

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 09:36 PM
I hope they lock that b**** down. The only thing worse than Obama's first term will be Obama when he doesn't have to pretend to be in the center to preserve reelection.

Yep.

ant1999e
11-06-2012, 09:37 PM
Fox news just announced Romney the winner...

No, Carl Rove said it's too early to call Ohio. Fox called it for Obama before any other network and are sticking to it.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:38 PM
well they passed the marijuana thing in CO so let's all go there and mellow out together. ;D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FdNn9FamylM/TYgNjciieKI/AAAAAAAAIxM/zkWmmMHMwuk/s400/dude-abideS.jpg

Kaylore
11-06-2012, 09:40 PM
Reporting from NY - people are honking and whistling on my street.

Anyways, I hope you take solace knowing that this election has advanced Mormonism's public image, regardless of the result.

I am thrilled with this. Billy Graham finally began instructing pastors and removed from his site things that said LDS members are a cult. I am grateful for that for sure.

Miss I.
11-06-2012, 09:40 PM
7-11's in Colorado are honking their horns and cheering all over the state......

the next OM tailgate is going to be legen...wait for it....dary! ;D

OBF1
11-06-2012, 09:41 PM
I called the election months ago.... Just looking at who the republicans were dangling to run against obama. Never a doubt that a 2nd term was going to happen. No news hews here.

PS: to the moronic poster that said california was not yet done has no clue on what goes on out west. CA and its majority including the tree huggers, fruits and nuts and actors put more money into obamas war chest than any other state.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:42 PM
Reporting from NY - people are honking and whistling on my street.

Anyways, I hope you take solace knowing that this election has advanced Mormonism's public image, regardless of the result.

Personally I also look forward to the Republican party doing some soul searching, returning from the far right to the right like they were in the 80s (they're going to have to if they want the latino vote).

I can't wait to one day feel like I've got two good choices, not a bad choice and a less bad one.

Man Kaylore goes to bed early!
I agree the repubs are so polarized and far right they are missing that they are becoming dinosaurs. So many of us are independents who have conservative views that dont involve Christianity and who are tired of the crap. The Dems seem to appeal more to my group than the repubs. At least that's my viewpoint. I didn't vote for some stupid slogan that won't amount anything for another four years, but the other viable option was so underwhelming it was defeating.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 09:42 PM
Romney's campaign is not conceding Ohio. Hilarious!

baja
11-06-2012, 09:43 PM
You had to see it would have an impact when Christie was praising Obama the week before the election. They said Obama is currently polling higher than he was at any point since the first debate. The hurricane had an impact, no doubt.

The fact that the Republicans nominated a terrible candidate... that might've had a larger impact, though.

Any decent candidate would have won running away.

Broncos_OTM
11-06-2012, 09:44 PM
The candidate promising the most handouts will win every election from here on out. THAT is what you'll have to focus on. It's not about the party base at all. The R party as a whole might be obsolete at this point.this

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:44 PM
Any decent candidate would have won running away.

Get the **** out of our election thread. Worry about Mexico.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:44 PM
No, Carl Rove said it's too early to call Ohio. Fox called it for Obama before any other network and are sticking to it.

All I can think is he had a typo or Freudian slip. I saw them calling it for Obama as well.

Tim
11-06-2012, 09:44 PM
I was working in my garage then my unemployed neighbors were doing chest bumps with each other when I took my dog out to ****, I guess its 4 more years.

OBF1
11-06-2012, 09:45 PM
Maybe I will now get my obama phone :thumbs:

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 09:46 PM
yah, Romney just sucked as a candidate. The GOP thought that they could win this election based on the economy but the fact is, the stock market has been on a steady rise for like 2 years now. I really hope BO tries to do something about the deficit and creating jobs. I'm worried about inflation and a weak dollar.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 09:47 PM
All I can think is he had a typo or Freudian slip. I saw them calling it for Obama as well.

Karl Rove is a ****ing twit.

If the right needs consolation, youve already dragged this entire country to the right.

Im glad Barack is back in office.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:47 PM
Looks like the Dems are going to widen their lead in the Senate.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 09:48 PM
yah, Romney just sucked as a candidate. The GOP thought that they could win this election based on the economy but the fact is, the stock market has been on a steady rise for like 2 years now. I really hope BO tries to do something about the deficit and creating jobs. I'm worried about inflation and a weak dollar.

Theres no threat of inflation right now. None

And I hope Republicans work with him now since they dont have to worry about getting him out of office. lets get it done.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:48 PM
yah, Romney just sucked as a candidate. The GOP thought that they could win this election based on the economy but the fact is, the stock market has been on a steady rise for like 2 years now. I really hope BO tries to do something about the deficit and creating jobs. I'm worried about inflation and a weak dollar.

Romney said in that video that there were 47% of Americans who would vote for Obama no matter what he did. I think he just underestimated the percentage by a bit.

Cosmo
11-06-2012, 09:49 PM
Fact of the matter is this:

Country is going down the crapper with either candidate. 1 road is fast, 1 road is slower.

We're now on the fast track to a bankrupt America, so meh.....

Note to self: No more delays on food storage or guns.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 09:49 PM
Civil Rights took a huge hit tonight. I guess America wasn't ready for a Mormon president... Racists.

Chris
11-06-2012, 09:50 PM
I am thrilled with this. Billy Graham finally began instructing pastors and removed from his site things that said LDS members are a cult. I am grateful for that for sure.

Not gonna lie, this helped too

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2011/11/2011-11-30-bookofmormon.gif

Garcia Bronco
11-06-2012, 09:50 PM
I am confused with how this is a called election when Ohio, Virginia, Co, Florida aren't 100 percent reported.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 09:50 PM
Fact of the matter is this:

Country is going down the crapper with either candidate. 1 road is fast, 1 road is slower.

We're now on the fast track to a bankrupt America, so meh.....

Note to self: No more delays on food storage or guns.

Good, move out. Nice fictional america youve created.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:51 PM
No more ads and robo calls. Ahhhhhhh. ;D

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:51 PM
I am confused with how this is a called election when Ohio, Virginia, Co, Florida aren't 100 percent reported.

If Obama is winning the state and the districts still reporting are heavily Obama-favoring, you can safely make a guess.

Tim
11-06-2012, 09:51 PM
I am confused with how this is a called election when Ohio, Virginia, Co, Florida aren't 100 percent reported.

the media picks the presidents

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:51 PM
And I hope Republicans work with him now since they dont have to worry about getting him out of office. lets get it done.

HA yeah right. That is the biggest flaw with our 2 party system is that they have become so polarized to the left and right as a result of fighting each other that its damn near impossible to get an accord.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 09:51 PM
I am confused with how this is a called election when Ohio, Virginia, Co, Florida aren't 100 percent reported.

VA, FLA, CO dont matter anymore.

Kid A
11-06-2012, 09:52 PM
so goddamn proud of those people who waited in 5-7 hr lines in Ohio and Florida. democracy. bitches.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 09:53 PM
Romney refusing to concede. What a putz.

Garcia Bronco
11-06-2012, 09:53 PM
If Obama is winning the state and the districts still reporting are heavily Obama-favoring, you can safely make a guess.

In a close election like this, I just don't see if that will do.

chickennob2
11-06-2012, 09:54 PM
Civil Rights took a huge hit tonight. I guess America wasn't ready for a Mormon president... Racists.

What civil rights are you referring to? Clearly not marriage equality.

Garcia Bronco
11-06-2012, 09:54 PM
VA, FLA, CO dont matter anymore.

Those aren't the only ones though.

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 09:54 PM
Theres no threat of inflation right now. None

And I hope Republicans work with him now since they dont have to worry about getting him out of office. lets get it done.

fact is BO will just use executive power to force his policies. I think he's used this more than any other president up to this date by a wide margin and I don't see him changing his ways. Fact is, now BO can really inforce his will upon a crappy congress. BO has never been about working across party lines. It's up to the repubs to decide if they are going to capitulate or if they are going to continue the gridlock.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:54 PM
No more ads and robo calls. Ahhhhhhh. ;D

Oh man I am so glad it's over for this sole reason. I was on the holy grail list as an independent. It was relentless.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 09:55 PM
HA yeah right. That is the biggest flaw with our 2 party system is that they have become so polarized to the left and right as a result of fighting each other that its damn near impossible to get an accord.

Half the crap they're getting caught up on isn't supposed to be in their hands anyways. I'm perfectly content with electing people to go to Washington DC just to get into a staring contest with those across the aisle. It's a subversive state's rights movement, maybe.

TheReverend
11-06-2012, 09:55 PM
What civil rights are you referring to? Clearly not marriage equality.

It was obviously a joke... Ha!

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 09:56 PM
And I hope Republicans work with him now since they dont have to worry about getting him out of office. lets get it done.

They'll take the lead from how the Democrats decided to drop their heartfelt beliefs in order to work with Bush in 2004.

g6matty
11-06-2012, 09:56 PM
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/69786_10151525396354988_2126766269_n.jpg

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 09:56 PM
so goddamn proud of those people who waited in 5-7 hr lines in Ohio and Florida. democracy. b****es.

I think both sides can agree with you on this post. Badass that people waited to exercise their rights. Damn proud people waited.

gunns
11-06-2012, 09:59 PM
Romney said in that video that there were 47% of Americans who would vote for Obama no matter what he did. I think he just underestimated the percentage by a bit.

Maybe they saw what he did. The media covering the exit polls today were surprised how many still blamed Bush. I think the Repubs are blinded by the extreme damage that Bush's admin did and what Obama inherited. And the fact that we may not be back to full strength, but we're working on getting there and he did not let us fall flat on our faces.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:00 PM
fact is BO will just use executive power to force his policies. I think he's used this more than any other president up to this date by a wide margin and I don't see him changing his ways. Fact is, now BO can really inforce his will upon a crappy congress. BO has never been about working across party lines. It's up to the repubs to decide if they are going to capitulate or if they are going to continue the gridlock.

You guys have NO interest in working across party lines. Turn on Fox News right now...what gives you the idea that they'll start?

Congress really is the real problem. Much more than the president.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:01 PM
There are 890,000 votes left to be counted in Ohio. 750,000 of those votes are in heavily democratic areas around Cleveland. The votes left to come in from Florida are in Miami/Dade. That's also heavily democratic. Colorado looks like it's going Obama. Probably Nevada as well.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:01 PM
They'll take the lead from how the Democrats decided to drop their heartfelt beliefs in order to work with Bush in 2004.

Uhhh look at filibuster numbers.

This congress has been BY FAR the most obstructionist

OBF1
11-06-2012, 10:01 PM
I think both sides can agree with you on this post. Badass that people waited to exercise their rights. Damn proud people waited.

Haven't the stupid heard of absentee ballots like 1/2 of the general population. Some people have to work to feed a family, not stand in line for 7 hours to cast a meaningless vote.

Bronco Yoda
11-06-2012, 10:01 PM
It's now time for everyone to pull together as Americans. One and all. Demand that Washington works together to get things done.

Chris
11-06-2012, 10:02 PM
Well, at least they finally released the romney tax plan

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:02 PM
In a close election like this, I just don't see if that will do.

These people do this for a living.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:03 PM
Well, at least they finally released the romney tax plan

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

bwahahahaha thats awesome

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:04 PM
It's now time for everyone to pull together as Americans. One and all. Demand that Washington works together to get things done.

To hell with that. The things that are on the slate for the president and senate are things, for the most part, I don't want to see.

End free trade, cut back on spending, and start living responsibly here at home. Playing "blame the rich guy for all your problems", focusing on whether gays should be able to marry or just get stuck in civil unions, etc, are topics that I'd gladly see gridlocked.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:04 PM
Colorado becomes the first state in history to legalize marijuana! !Booya!

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 10:05 PM
You guys have NO interest in working across party lines. Turn on Fox News right now...what gives you the idea that they'll start?

Congress really is the real problem. Much more than the president.

:D

You are the one watching Fox News, not me! I followed the election on the internet. I'm not a republican, I'm an independent and I already said Romney sucked as a candidate. Will the GOP work with BO? I don't know. But the fact is they really don't have much of a choice.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 10:05 PM
Haven't the stupid heard of absentee ballots like 1/2 of the general population. Some people have to work to feed a family, not stand in line for 7 hours to cast a meaningless vote.

Well damn then there is this point!! I won't call them stupid, I will be kinder and gentler and refer to them as persons with procrastination.

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 10:07 PM
Colorado becomes the first state in history to legalize marijuana! !Booya!

tell it to the feds.

BowlenBall
11-06-2012, 10:08 PM
Reacting to a close vote in Colorado on legalizing and regulating the recreational use of marijuana, the state's governor John Hickenlooper released a statement:

"The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will. This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don't break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly."

Hamrob
11-06-2012, 10:08 PM
What a disapointment. To re-elect one of the bottom 5 presidents of all-time is absolutely heart breaking. Obama is like having a Union Organizer in Office. That's great...if you are a auto Union...but, not so great for running a Country.

The facts are the facts....we took a 3 trillion dollar deficit and made it a 11 trillion dollar deficit...and Obama will only add to that. Obama will now try to pay off all those people/parties who looked out for him.

The same old crap. The bottom line...we need al leader who is concentrating on the economy and the debt...not an Organizer. What a flippen joke!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:08 PM
Colorado becomes the first state in history to legalize marijuana! !Booya!


Can people explain this more? Like can they start selling it anywhere? Or in pot dispensaries?

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:08 PM
Maybe they saw what he did. The media covering the exit polls today were surprised how many still blamed Bush. I think the Repubs are blinded by the extreme damage that Bush's admin did and what Obama inherited. And the fact that we may not be back to full strength, but we're working on getting there and he did not let us fall flat on our faces.

The economy is still a card house built upon a base of debt. Anything you can blame Bush for, Obama continued.

And before you say it, the Iraq withdrawal plan was announced before Bush left office...

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:08 PM
What a disapointment. To re-elect one of the bottom 5 presidents of all-time is absolutely heart breaking. Obama is like having a Union Organizer in Office. That's great...if you are a auto Union...but, not so great for running a Country.

The facts are the facts....we took a 3 trillion dollar deficit and made it a 11 trillion dollar deficit...and Obama will only add to that. Obama will now try to pay off all those people/parties who looked out for him.

The same old crap. The bottom line...we need al leader who is concentrating on the economy and the debt...not an Organizer. What a flippen joke!

Move out. You live in a fictional world

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 10:09 PM
Can people explain this more? Like can they start selling it anywhere? Or in pot dispensaries?

Yes, it is now legal to start selling it for as long as it takes the DEA to show up.

OBF1
11-06-2012, 10:09 PM
It's now time for everyone to pull together as Americans. One and all. Demand that Washington works together to get things done.

Nice story bro. That is a pipe dream my friend.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:10 PM
The economy is still a card house built upon a base of debt. Anything you can blame Bush for, Obama continued.

And before you say it, the Iraq withdrawal plan was announced before Bush left office...

yawn.

Guess who had no interest in dealing with the debt? Your boy.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:11 PM
tell it to the feds.

Hopefully, this forces the issue to the SCOTUS and they amazingly discover that there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to outlaw pot, and therefore, by the 10th amendment, it's up to the states to decide.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:12 PM
yawn.

Guess who had no interest in dealing with the debt? Your boy.

Guess who DID have an issue with the debt and vowed to cut it?

Your boy.

yerner
11-06-2012, 10:12 PM
Yes, it is now legal to start selling it for as long as it takes the DEA to show up.

goddamnit. i wish i lived there. i need weed in my life in the worst ****ing way.

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 10:12 PM
yawn.

Guess who had no interest in dealing with the debt? Your boy.

Brought to you by the "we need to spend more in order to save more" mentality....

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:14 PM
Hopefully, this forces the issue to the SCOTUS and they amazingly discover that there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to outlaw pot, and therefore, by the 10th amendment, it's up to the states to decide.

While I'm against drugs in general, I'd love for this to be the movement that spawns a states' rights movement in regards to the SCOTUS. After they were able to twist words to defend the healthcare, though, I don't see them relinquishing the control over drugs within the US borders.

Bronco X
11-06-2012, 10:14 PM
Well, I'm glad I can watch football again without having to put the commercial breaks on mute.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:15 PM
Brought to you by the "we need to spend more in order to save more" mentality....

Brought to you by the "we need to create jobs" mentality.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:15 PM
They called Colorado for Obama.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 10:15 PM
Reacting to a close vote in Colorado on legalizing and regulating the recreational use of marijuana, the state's governor John Hickenlooper released a statement:

"The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will. This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don't break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly."

Lol @ his statement. What a noob. Cheetos and Goldfish?

Who the **** eats those when theyre high? I prefer sour worms and peanut butter m&ms

David Wooderson
11-06-2012, 10:15 PM
Colorado becomes the first state in history to legalize marijuana! !Booya!

I'm moving to Colorado!!!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:16 PM
Guess who DID have an issue with the debt and vowed to cut it?

Your boy.

Im much more concerned about creating jobs than i am the debt. If we get the economy moving, the debt will take care of itself.

Plus, healthcare should help with over all debt/deficit over time if it fully gets implemented. according to the cbo anyway.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:19 PM
Washington legalized weed too...well both legalized small amounts of it

Should be legal everywhere. its a joke that its not.

Miss I.
11-06-2012, 10:19 PM
fact is BO will just use executive power to force his policies. I think he's used this more than any other president up to this date by a wide margin and I don't see him changing his ways. Fact is, now BO can really inforce his will upon a crappy congress. BO has never been about working across party lines. It's up to the repubs to decide if they are going to capitulate or if they are going to continue the gridlock.

count em...

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Obama: 140,
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama.html

Bush Jr: 291
Clinton 363
G. Bush 165
Reagan 380
Carter 319
Ford 168
Nixon 345
Johnson 323
Kennedy 213
Eisenhower 481
Truman 893
FD Roosevelt 3,466

He's really quite average in his numbers issued.. Bush Jr issued 291 over 2 terms averaging 145 over the two terms so he's really not issued any more than the average President. Carter's #s seem extreme given his one term, but that might a reflection of the turmoil during his term. And well FDR, was in longer and during WWII so those numbers are not surprising.

broncswin
11-06-2012, 10:21 PM
Im much more concerned about creating jobs than i am the debt. If we get the economy moving, the debt will take care of itself.

Plus, healthcare should help with over all debt/deficit over time if it fully gets implemented. according to the cbo anyway.

LOL.....puke

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 10:23 PM
Hopefully, this forces the issue to the SCOTUS and they amazingly discover that there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to outlaw pot, and therefore, by the 10th amendment, it's up to the states to decide.

Im a big proponent of state's rights on things like this and other things like marriage. I really think the feds should back off. However, I can see the feds not backing off this issue because (hypothetical here) If I was to drive across the state line into CO to buy some cheeba, because, yah know, I can do it legally. And maybe pick up a nice new shiney bong while I'm there :D and then load said cheeba and 4' bong into my car and to carry both back to my home in WY, I've just committed a federal crime, right?

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:23 PM
They showed Romney's "celebration" party in Boston.

That was a whole bunch of bummed out white people.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:24 PM
Im much more concerned about creating jobs than i am the debt. If we get the economy moving, the debt will take care of itself.

Plus, healthcare should help with over all debt/deficit over time if it fully gets implemented. according to the cbo anyway.

Yeah, well, it still doesn't change anything that Candidate Obama disagreed with the stance of you and President Obama as long as it benefited him politically to do so.

And the debt will take care of itself? Which time when a good economy cleared out the debt gives you that opinion?

See, I happen to know that anytime you run up debt and have to pay interest, you're throwing away money. Maintaining debt just for ****s and grins is a silly position to take.

It kinda sounds like you've swallowed up the rhetoric and you're just passing it along at this point. The problem is it doesn't make any sense...

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:24 PM
Im a big proponent of state's rights on things like this and other things like marriage. I really think the feds should back off. However, I can see the feds not backing off this issue because (hypothetical here) If I was to drive across the state line into CO to buy some cheeba, because, yah know, I can do it legally. And maybe pick up a nice new shiney bong while I'm there :D and then load said cheeba and 4' bong into my car and to carry both back to my home in WY, I've just committed a federal crime, right?

I'm guessing a test case like this will make it to the SCOTUS, which is what we need to happen.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 10:25 PM
Can people explain this more? Like can they start selling it anywhere? Or in pot dispensaries?

I am sure they will still regulate how its sold. Its currently in dispensaries and you have to register to use and produce. So I am sure they will expand on that.

So hurry up get your name on a list that can get in the hands of the feds! Like giving them a treasure map whenever they feel like busting some chops!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:25 PM
Im a big proponent of state's rights on things like this and other things like marriage. I really think the feds should back off. However, I can see the feds not backing off this issue because (hypothetical here) If I was to drive across the state line into CO to buy some cheeba, because, yah know, I can do it legally. And maybe pick up a nice new shiney bong while I'm there :D and then load said cheeba and 4' bong into my car and to carry both back to my home in WY, I've just committed a federal crime, right?

It should just be legal. There's ZERO reason why its illegal, and you can make a ton of money off it.

Bronco Yoda
11-06-2012, 10:26 PM
Miss just smacked Tombstone through the wall.

jutang
11-06-2012, 10:26 PM
tell it to the feds.

Don't tell DJ... Somehow he'll think he can smoke up and actually turn in his own urine next time

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Im a big proponent of state's rights on things like this and other things like marriage. I really think the feds should back off. However, I can see the feds not backing off this issue because (hypothetical here) If I was to drive across the state line into CO to buy some cheeba, because, yah know, I can do it legally. And maybe pick up a nice new shiney bong while I'm there :D and then load said cheeba and 4' bong into my car and to carry both back to my home in WY, I've just committed a federal crime, right?

Will be amusing to watch some of the people who liked the feds smacking down Arizona's "undocumented immigrant" law not like this fed smack down, and vice versa.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Yeah, well, it still doesn't change anything that Candidate Obama disagreed with the stance of you and President Obama as long as it benefited him politically to do so.

And the debt will take care of itself? Which time when a good economy cleared out the debt gives you that opinion?

See, I happen to know that anytime you run up debt and have to pay interest, you're throwing away money. Maintaining debt just for ****s and grins is a silly position to take.

It kinda sounds like you've swallowed up the rhetoric and you're just passing it along at this point. The problem is it doesn't make any sense...

The banksters are not going to sit on their money for another four years, regardless of who is president. The ice is going to break loose and things are going to get moving again.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 10:28 PM
Im a big proponent of state's rights on things like this and other things like marriage. I really think the feds should back off. However, I can see the feds not backing off this issue because (hypothetical here) If I was to drive across the state line into CO to buy some cheeba, because, yah know, I can do it legally. And maybe pick up a nice new shiney bong while I'm there :D and then load said cheeba and 4' bong into my car and to carry both back to my home in WY, I've just committed a federal crime, right?

Depends how much green you plan on buying. Each state has a certain amount considered to be 'distribution.' Add on the bong, which would be considered paraphanelia if found with the weed, and you would be ****ed.

gunns
11-06-2012, 10:29 PM
The economy is still a card house built upon a base of debt. Anything you can blame Bush for, Obama continued.

And before you say it, the Iraq withdrawal plan was announced before Bush left office...

Yeah after vetoing it in 2007 and continuing to fund it, he did it in December 2008 and then went to Iraq and said there was more work to be done. It was Obama who set a firm plan to actually do it and did it.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 10:30 PM
Holy ****, FDR didn't **** around with getting what he wanted! War or no war he got what he wanted done!

Nice way to present the facts Miss I

count em...

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Obama: 140,
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama.html

Bush Jr: 291
Clinton 363
G. Bush 165
Reagan 380
Carter 319
Ford 168
Nixon 345
Johnson 323
Kennedy 213
Eisenhower 481
Truman 893
FD Roosevelt 3,466

He's really quite average in his numbers issued.. Bush Jr issued 291 over 2 terms averaging 145 over the two terms so he's really not issued any more than the average President. Carter's #s seem extreme given his one term, but that might a reflection of the turmoil during his term. And well FDR, was in longer and during WWII so those numbers are not surprising.

BroncoMan4ever
11-06-2012, 10:30 PM
Colorado becomes the first state in history to legalize marijuana! !Booya!

Time to pack a bowl and spark up in celebration.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 10:31 PM
Yeah after vetoing it in 2007 and continuing to fund it, he did it in December 2008 and then went to Iraq and said there was more work to be done. It was Obama who set a firm plan to actually do it and did it.

Its okay, gunns. No need to explain. Everybody is just a little cranky; well, at least the losers of this election are. :clown:

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:32 PM
Yeah after vetoing it in 2007 and continuing to fund it, he did it in December 2008 and then went to Iraq and said there was more work to be done. It was Obama who set a firm plan to actually do it and did it.

And then Obama's people were in talks to extend it. What's your point? The withdrawal occurred in accordance with the timeline set out while Bush was still president. The only threat to the timeline since they announced it late in Bush's term was the proposed extension just before the final withdrawal. Obama literally had no positive impact on the withdrawal whatsoever aside from not messing it up.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:34 PM
Nevada called for Obama.

Romney still refuses to concede.

Why am I not surprised?

swaiy
11-06-2012, 10:34 PM
Where's Lonestar? That would complete this thread. =]

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:35 PM
Its okay, gunns. No need to explain. Everybody is just a little cranky; well, at least the losers of this election are. :clown:

We're all losers. Some just won't realize it for quite some time.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 10:36 PM
We're all losers. Some just won't realize it for quite some time.

Like Romney, in regards to that, I cannot concede. Ha!

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 10:37 PM
count em...

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Obama: 140,
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama.html

Bush Jr: 291
Clinton 363
G. Bush 165
Reagan 380
Carter 319
Ford 168
Nixon 345
Johnson 323
Kennedy 213
Eisenhower 481
Truman 893
FD Roosevelt 3,466

He's really quite average in his numbers issued.. Bush Jr issued 291 over 2 terms averaging 145 over the two terms so he's really not issued any more than the average President. Carter's #s seem extreme given his one term, but that might a reflection of the turmoil during his term. And well FDR, was in longer and during WWII so those numbers are not surprising.

I got an A in Constitutional Law at CU (poli sci class, not law school) yet I still can't get my head around how those things are constitutional. More of a "well, it's always been done this way" thing than any real foundation.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:37 PM
We're all losers. Some just won't realize it for quite some time.

Maybe, but not because of this election

Bronco Yoda
11-06-2012, 10:37 PM
http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/big-bird-has-a-bong.jpg

Heyneck
11-06-2012, 10:37 PM
yes!!! pot is now legal in Colorado!!!

Kid A
11-06-2012, 10:39 PM
Second best thing is gay marriage passing in Maine and Maryland—first time it has been legalized by voters.

Third best things is confirmation of 538/poll aggregators. Never listen to horse race pundits again. Ever.

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 10:40 PM
Maybe, but not because of this election

From the 50,000 ft high point of view, I have to agree with you.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 10:40 PM
Do they drug test for jobs in Colorado? How does that work? If you piss and THC shows up, do they ignore it?

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:40 PM
Holy moly, is the mane full of fast food workers? Do you guys not get drug tested at work?

BroncoLifer
11-06-2012, 10:42 PM
Where's Lonestar? That would complete this thread. =]

No, completion will be the inevitable burst of cartoons from LABF.

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 10:42 PM
count em...

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Obama: 140,
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama.html

Bush Jr: 291
Clinton 363
G. Bush 165
Reagan 380
Carter 319
Ford 168
Nixon 345
Johnson 323
Kennedy 213
Eisenhower 481
Truman 893
FD Roosevelt 3,466

He's really quite average in his numbers issued.. Bush Jr issued 291 over 2 terms averaging 145 over the two terms so he's really not issued any more than the average President. Carter's #s seem extreme given his one term, but that might a reflection of the turmoil during his term. And well FDR, was in longer and during WWII so those numbers are not surprising.

fair enough, but I think it's more of how he's using his executive powers that are unsettling:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/40-years-resurgence-presidential-powers/story?id=16598194

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/09/20/when-the-white-house-speaks-on-the-campaign-trail/obamas-use-of-executive-power-is-extreme-and-risky

and ironic because if you remember, BO criticized Bush for his use of executive power but BO is using it just as much:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812904577292273665694712.html

Please note this part of the WSJ article: What's unusual about Mr. Obama is that he also has used executive power to press his domestic agenda.

So BO is using it for foreign police like in Libya and domestically which is "unusual". Of course, this all comes after he promised to work with congress.

Bronco Yoda
11-06-2012, 10:43 PM
Now Virgina goes to Obama. That puts it over 300.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:43 PM
Second best thing is gay marriage passing in Maine and Maryland—first time it has been legalized by voters.

Third best things is confirmation of 538/poll aggregators. Never listen to horse race pundits again. Ever.

Makes sense on the day Obama was reelected, everyone voted to hand out more benefits.

LOL @ Fiscal responsibility...

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:44 PM
Makes sense on the day Obama was reelected, everyone voted to hand out more benefits.

LOL @ Fiscal responsibility...

Go galt my friend.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:44 PM
Miami/Dade vote counters have closed down and gone home. They'll resume tomorrow. Looks like Obama will take Florida as well. There's really no place left for Romney to draw votes from.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:45 PM
fair enough, but I think it's more of how he's using his executive powers that are unsettling:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/40-years-resurgence-presidential-powers/story?id=16598194

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/09/20/when-the-white-house-speaks-on-the-campaign-trail/obamas-use-of-executive-power-is-extreme-and-risky

and ironic because if you remember, BO criticized Bush for his use of executive power but BO is using it just as much:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812904577292273665694712.html

Please note this part of the WSJ article: What's unusual about Mr. Obama is that he also has used executive power to press his domestic agenda.

So BO is using it for foreign police like in Libya and domestically which is "unusual". Of course, this all comes after he promised to work with congress.

More alarming for me was when he switched away from defending DOMA. Try to repeal it if you want but the job of the president is to enforce the nations laws. There's processes for congress to overcome the president if that's what they want to do but when the president can just start ignoring what congress forces through... dangerous, dangerous scenario.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:46 PM
fair enough, but I think it's more of how he's using his executive powers that are unsettling:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/40-years-resurgence-presidential-powers/story?id=16598194

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/09/20/when-the-white-house-speaks-on-the-campaign-trail/obamas-use-of-executive-power-is-extreme-and-risky

and ironic because if you remember, BO criticized Bush for his use of executive power but BO is using it just as much:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812904577292273665694712.html

Please note this part of the WSJ article: What's unusual about Mr. Obama is that he also has used executive power to press his domestic agenda.

So BO is using it for foreign police like in Libya and domestically which is "unusual". Of course, this all comes after he promised to work with congress.

Maybe if he got even a modicum of cooperation from across the aisle, he wouldnt have to push everything through.

Though i dont even agree with your original premise that he's basically becoming a king.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 10:47 PM
Do they drug test for jobs in Colorado? How does that work? If you piss and THC shows up, do they ignore it?

Yes they do and trust me the ones using MMJ are two distinct groups. People who really need it and thus are in a state who can't really work anyways. Or pot fans who think its cool to be able to buy and don't have a type of job that requires testing. Because they are are fans of the MMJ and find employers that are less stringent.

That One Guy
11-06-2012, 10:47 PM
And now it looks like West is gonna lose his campaign here in Florida. I always liked him even before I moved down here. What a terrible night. I knew some of it was coming (Like Obama getting reelected) but it still sucks now that it's come to fruition. I'm going to bed.

bowtown
11-06-2012, 10:47 PM
Romney still waiting on results to come in from the Cayman Islands before conceding.

peacepipe
11-06-2012, 10:47 PM
More alarming for me was when he switched away from defending DOMA. Try to repeal it if you want but the job of the president is to enforce the nations laws. There's processes for congress to overcome the president if that's what they want to do but when the president can just start ignoring what congress forces through... dangerous, dangerous scenario.not when a law is unconstitutional.

Hamrob
11-06-2012, 10:47 PM
Move out. You live in a fictional worldI live in a real world. This leadership is leading this Country into complete failure.

I'm willing to stand up for what is right.

I served my country in War twice...how about you....big mouth???

houghtam
11-06-2012, 10:48 PM
fact is BO will just use executive power to force his policies. I think he's used this more than any other president up to this date by a wide margin and I don't see him changing his ways. Fact is, now BO can really inforce his will upon a crappy congress. BO has never been about working across party lines. It's up to the repubs to decide if they are going to capitulate or if they are going to continue the gridlock.

False.

http://m.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-10-05/story/fact-check-obama-has-used-his-executive-powers-not-900-times

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 10:48 PM
Yeah I think I'm going to bed. It was a close election. Hard fought. It's sad to see Colorado go for Obama two years in a row. We did hold onto the house. I just really hope Obama decides to compromise and not be the arrogant dick hole he's been this time around.

The fact that Garry Johnson siphoned off 20k votes makes me mad. Third party candidates just give elections to the person least in line with their view. See: Nader in 2000. Anyway, congrats to Obama and to you Democrats. I hope you guys make things better. The country really needs the help. You have an impressive ground game and it's clearly powerful. We'll need to answer again. Hopefully 2014 is like 2010 and we can get the Senate back. See you in two years!

The Republicans were the ones not compromising. No matter what the circumstance all things concerning the deficite is to come from cuts to programs not tax increases. NON WHATSOEVER!!

Excuse me but that is not compromising

Bronco Yoda
11-06-2012, 10:48 PM
Country going up in smoke....Pot legalized in Colorado

The Gays are taking over the world now....Maryland legalized same-sex marriage

The black man stays in the White House....Obama wins both the electoral and popular vote

... Most of my family probably thinks the world is ending right about now. LMAO

Bronco X
11-06-2012, 10:49 PM
The popular vote has swung to Obama with most of the uncounted votes coming from blue California. Trump will have to look elsewhere for ammo for his revolution.

peacepipe
11-06-2012, 10:49 PM
And now it looks like West is gonna lose his campaign here in Florida. I always liked him even before I moved down here. What a terrible night. I knew some of it was coming (Like Obama getting reelected) but it still sucks now that it's come to fruition. I'm going to bed.

that & allen grayson getting back in congress were the 2 best things to happen.

Miss I.
11-06-2012, 10:49 PM
fair enough, but I think it's more of how he's using his executive powers that are unsettling:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/40-years-resurgence-presidential-powers/story?id=16598194

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/09/20/when-the-white-house-speaks-on-the-campaign-trail/obamas-use-of-executive-power-is-extreme-and-risky

and ironic because if you remember, BO criticized Bush for his use of executive power but BO is using it just as much:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812904577292273665694712.html

Please note this part of the WSJ article: What's unusual about Mr. Obama is that he also has used executive power to press his domestic agenda.

So BO is using it for foreign police like in Libya and domestically which is "unusual". Of course, this all comes after he promised to work with congress.

I can see your point as it is the content over numbers of what he issues.

I also agree the legality of EOs in general is interesting. It's more of a tradition than a right truly defined by the constitution, but they are supposed to be based on actual law if I understand the use of them correctly.

"though there is no Constitutional provision or statute that explicitly permits executive orders, there is a vague grant of "executive power" given in Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution, and furthered by the declaration "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" made in Article II, Section 3, Clause 5. Most Executive Orders use these Constitutional reasonings as the authorization allowing for their issuance to be justified as part of the President's sworn duties,[2] the intent being to help direct officers of the US Executive carry out their delegated duties as well as the normal operations of the federal government: the consequence of failing to comply possibly being the removal from office.[3]"


Two EOs have been overturned in the recorded history of them, one by Truman and one by Clinton (there's a pretty decent Wikipedia description of it). Obama even voluntarily took one of his back so I thought that was interesting because you don't see a lot of leaders admit an error that obviously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

To be honest I got into an argument with my grandpa a few years ago about this so that's why I have any knowledge of it. I miss him, we used to have really good talks and I had a lot of respect for him, we didn't always agree, but he always made me think and question things. I know he wouldn't like Obama, but he'd be okay with my position as long as I can support it.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 10:50 PM
Romney still waiting on results to come in from the Cayman Islands before conceding.

Well you have to be thorough. You can never recover from conceding before U.S. Samoa is tallied!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:50 PM
I live in a real world. This leadership is leading this Country into complete failure.

I'm willing to stand up for what is right.

I served my country in War twice...how about you....big mouth???

Whats the complete failure, pray tell? You guys have painted amercia as this failing flea market. We have problems, big ones, but things have NOT gotten WORSE over the last four years. Theres nothing to suggest it has. So, yes,you apparently live in a fictional world if you think you have to arm yourself against A BOOGEYMAN!


So because I was never in the army, im less american than you?

BroncoMan4ever
11-06-2012, 10:50 PM
What are the odds Romney is going to break mormon belief and go on a bender and get **** faced after tonight's loss?

Boobs McGee
11-06-2012, 10:50 PM
Can people explain this more? Like can they start selling it anywhere? Or in pot dispensaries?

here's an excerpt

"his is the second time Colorado voted on legal weed, in 2006 Coloradans voted the measure down, but not in 2012. Mason Tvert, co-director of the campaign, told The Huffington Post in an August interview why he thought this year might be different:

The 2006 initiative would have simply removed the penalties for the possession of marijuana legal for individuals 21 years of age or older. The current initiative proposes a fully regulated system of cultivation and sales, which will eliminate the underground marijuana market and generate tens of millions of dollars per year in new revenue and criminal justice savings. It also directs the legislature to regulate the cultivation of industrial hemp, a versatile, popular, and environmentally friendly agricultural crop.

More importantly, voters are more informed about marijuana than ever before. They have also experienced the emergence of a state-regulated medical marijuana system that has not produced any serious problems, but has provided a number of benefits. We now know that marijuana cultivation and sales can be regulated, and that medical marijuana businesses do not contribute to increased crime. We have also seen marijuana use among high school students decrease since the state began implementing regulations, whereas it has increased nationwide where there are no regulations. And, of course, localities and the state have seen how much revenue can be generated through the legal sale of marijuana that would have otherwise gone into the underground market. Voters in Colorado no longer need to imagine what a legal and regulated system of marijuana sales would look like; they have seen it.

It's also worth noting that 2012 is a presidential election year, so we will benefit from increased voter turnout compared to an off-year election like 2006. Historically, the more people who vote, the more support marijuana reform initiatives receive.

On the same night that Colorado passed Amendment 64, Washington state passed Initiative 502 which regulates and taxes sales of small amounts of marijuana for adults, The Associated Press reports. Oregon also had a marijuana measure on the ballot, but as of publishing and with 47 percent of precincts reporting, it looked as if it would not pass.

Under Amendment 64, marijuana is taxed and regulated similar to alcohol and tobacco. It gives state and local governments the ability to control and tax the sale of small amounts of marijuana to adults age 21 and older. According to the Associated Press, analysts project that that tax revenue could generate somewhere between $5 million and $22 million a year in the state. An economist whose study was funded by a pro-pot group projects as much as a $60 million boost by 2017."


as i understand it, dispensaries will now have the option to sell (up to an ounce) to anyone with a valid license and be over the age of 21, WITHOUT needing a medical use license.

Tombstone RJ
11-06-2012, 10:51 PM
False.

http://m.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-10-05/story/fact-check-obama-has-used-his-executive-powers-not-900-times

yah, my bad. It's how he's using his executive powers that are different than previous administrations.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:52 PM
And now it looks like West is gonna lose his campaign here in Florida. I always liked him even before I moved down here. What a terrible night. I knew some of it was coming (Like Obama getting reelected) but it still sucks now that it's come to fruition. I'm going to bed.

West is going down? Ha! I love it. What a psycho. He has no place in American politics.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 10:55 PM
Well after reading that bit of information, I might need to start vacationing in Colorado.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 10:55 PM
West is going down? Ha! I love it. What a psycho. He has no place in American politics.

Seriously. That guy is poison

Irish Stout
11-06-2012, 10:56 PM
I love my country. Even had Romney won, I planned on making this statement.

This year over 100 Million votes. Although power did not change hands, we live in a country where it can change through the vote of the people. And every few years it does change without violence or bloodshed and with minimal amounts of tampering or fraud. This is a great country and a good system. It has some flaws, but it can be changed.

God bless America.

gunns
11-06-2012, 10:56 PM
And then Obama's people were in talks to extend it. What's your point? The withdrawal occurred in accordance with the timeline set out while Bush was still president. The only threat to the timeline since they announced it late in Bush's term was the proposed extension just before the final withdrawal. Obama literally had no positive impact on the withdrawal whatsoever aside from not messing it up.

Hmmmm, I was under the impression that it was the Iraqis trying to extend the stay. Got anything showing it was Obama's "people". After trying since 2006, having Bush veto bills to withdraw he needed something positive to leave office with. He knew there was no guarantee it would happen and probably did not care. In Feb 2009 Obama said it would happen in 16 months so that they would all be withdrawn by the agreements withdrawal date. And it did start in August 2010. I found that quite positive. It actually happened.

theAPAOps5
11-06-2012, 10:58 PM
Pot legalized in Colorado

Maryland legalized same-sex marriage

Obama wins both the electoral and popular vote

... Most of my family probably thinks the world is ending right about now. LMAO

Ha same with mine. Its hilarious watching them overreact.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:58 PM
Seriously. That guy is poison

Looks like Bachmann held onto her seat by 300 votes. There's a precinct I'll make sure never to visit.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 10:59 PM
I love my country. Even had Romney won, I planned on making this statement.

This year over 100 Million votes. Although power did not change hands, we live in a country where it can change through the vote of the people. And every few years it does change without violence or bloodshed and with minimal amounts of tampering or fraud. This is a great country and a good system. It has some flaws, but it can be changed.

God bless America.

Hear, hear. :thumbs:

houghtam
11-06-2012, 11:01 PM
Lol @ his statement. What a noob. Cheetos and Goldfish?

Who the **** eats those when theyre high? I prefer sour worms and peanut butter m&ms

Funyuns and Nutter Butters.

Yeah, I'm old school.

broncosteven
11-06-2012, 11:01 PM
Romney pulls a Chef and loses!

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 11:02 PM
Is it me, or do the losing candidates always just look relieved after their concession speeches?

Bronco X
11-06-2012, 11:02 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/222591_3377915505714_54490169_n.jpg

Dude just flat out crushes those polling numbers.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 11:02 PM
Looks like Bachmann held onto her seat by 300 votes. There's a precinct I'll make sure never to visit.

See...i just dont know how this happens

Miss I.
11-06-2012, 11:03 PM
First of all, Irish Stout, well said sir.

Second, I want to say that Romney's concession speech was well done. Dignified and gracious. Well spoke sir and well run campaign. Best of luck to you Mr. Romney, if anything you inspired people to get out there and be active for what they believe in and I do think that is good.

And last but most important, I love my country and I am looking forward to coming home this year and being more active in my community to make America even better.

SoCalBronco
11-06-2012, 11:03 PM
I have been watching the returns for the last 5 hours. You have to give the Obama GOTV team a ton of credit. Their data mining and hundreds of millions invested in GOTV infrastructure really won it for the President. Romney's Project Orca and GOTV effort was okay, but it wasn't much of a match for the organization that Obama built over the course of several years.

I think this is good for the GOP, BTW. I was and remain (even when I casted my ballot for him via write in) a supporter of Jon Huntsman. He's the best candidate we had, because he was the most thoughtful, reasonable, experienced and well rounded. He combined alot of the things people like about the GOP (fiscal conservatism), along with moderate stances on social issues, the environment and foreign affairs where most of America is. I said when he was basically forced out that it was a mistake that would be rued....and it was. Demographics are changing, and you have to tack to the center to win. And the center is where most reasonable proposals are anyway. Kicking out the one true centrist means another loss....just as I predicted here, even in a relatively weak economy. We need to focus on the guys like Huntsman, like Mitch Daniels, like Jeb Bush and other moderate Republicans. Nominating extremist candidates like Akin, like Mourdock etc. when those seats were locks is the reason for the loss. That's what it is. That is what I've been saying all along. They need to learn a lesson.

Romney didn't lose because he was a "Massachussets Moderate". He lost because he was forced by the base into extreme positions in the primary just to win and Obama used that to paint an effective narrative. Come to the center and adjust to reality and we can move forward as a party. I'm glad this got hammered into the party's head. This is the only way. It's the Nixon way and the Eisenhower way and the Bush I way...its the only way to win.

Props to Obama for his victory. I hope he continues to try and push a grand bargain for debt reduction as I continue to view that as the biggest issue. In exchange, we should be grateful that he is willing to compromise (when the House GOP has not) and should offer compromises on tax issues and global warming issues in consideration. There is much room to get stuff done....if they are willing to work with the President. As a moderate Republican, I hope they finally try to work with him.

swaiy
11-06-2012, 11:03 PM
Funyuns and Nutter Butters.

Yeah, I'm old school.

Nutter Butters are the holy grail of snacks. I cant even call them snacks because Ill sit down and eat like 15 of those bad boys.

ghwk
11-06-2012, 11:04 PM
I live in a real world. This leadership is leading this Country into complete failure.

I'm willing to stand up for what is right.

I served my country in War twice...how about you....big mouth???

You are entitled to your own opinion, it doesn't make you right however.

Thank you for your service regardless of my rejection of your opinion.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 11:05 PM
I have been watching the returns for the last 5 hours. You have to give the Obama GOTV team a ton of credit. Their data mining and hundreds of millions invested in GOTV infrastructure really won it for the President. Romney's Project Orca and GOTV effort was okay, but it wasn't much of a match for the organization that Obama built over the course of several years.

I think this is good for the GOP, BTW. I was and remain (even when I casted my ballot for him via write in) a supporter of Jon Huntsman. He's the best candidate we had, because he was the most thoughtful, reasonable, experienced and well rounded. He combined alot of the things people like about the GOP (fiscal conservatism), along with moderate stances on social issues, the environment and foreign affairs where most of America is. I said when he was basically forced out that it was a mistake that would be rued....and it was. Demographics are changing, and you have to tack to the center to win. And the center is where most reasonable proposals are anyway. Kicking out the one true centrist means another loss....just as I predicted here, even in a relatively weak economy. We need to focus on the guys like Huntsman, like Mitch Daniels, like Jeb Bush and other moderate Republicans. Nominating extremist candidates like Akin, like Mourdock etc. when those seats were locks is the reason for the loss. That's what it is. That is what I've been saying all along. They need to learn a lesson.

Romney didn't lose because he was a "Massachussets Moderate". He lost because he was forced by the base into extreme positions in the primary just to win and Obama used that to paint an effective narrative. Come to the center and adjust to reality and we can move forward as a party. I'm glad this got hammered into the party's head. This is the only way. It's the Nixon way and the Eisenhower way and the Bush I way...its the only way to win.

Props to Obama for his victory. I hope he continues to try and push a grand bargain for debt reduction as I continue to view that as the biggest issue. In exchange, we should be grateful that he is willing to compromise (when the House GOP has not) and should offer compromises on tax issues and global warming issues in consideration. There is much room to get stuff done....if they are willing to work with the President. As a moderate Republican, I hope they finally try to work with him.

God, i wish more republicans spoke like you.

Except Im not sure that they will suddenly compromise.

Bacchus
11-06-2012, 11:06 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/222591_3377915505714_54490169_n.jpg

Dude just flat out crushes those polling numbers.

Morning Murdering Joe said the guy was stupid and had no business doing this for a living!! LMAO!!!

houghtam
11-06-2012, 11:07 PM
fair enough, but I think it's more of how he's using his executive powers that are unsettling:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/40-years-resurgence-presidential-powers/story?id=16598194

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/09/20/when-the-white-house-speaks-on-the-campaign-trail/obamas-use-of-executive-power-is-extreme-and-risky

and ironic because if you remember, BO criticized Bush for his use of executive power but BO is using it just as much:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812904577292273665694712.html

Please note this part of the WSJ article: What's unusual about Mr. Obama is that he also has used executive power to press his domestic agenda.

So BO is using it for foreign police like in Libya and domestically which is "unusual". Of course, this all comes after he promised to work with congress.

And then Congress promised not to work with him...

Of course, now they're all the ones running for re-election.

Get ready for some compromise, or some more Dems in Congress.

houghtam
11-06-2012, 11:08 PM
More alarming for me was when he switched away from defending DOMA. Try to repeal it if you want but the job of the president is to enforce the nations laws. There's processes for congress to overcome the president if that's what they want to do but when the president can just start ignoring what congress forces through... dangerous, dangerous scenario.

Wrong. Presidents have a long history of selectively enforcing laws.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-06-2012, 11:09 PM
And then Congress promised not to work with him...

Of course, now they're all the ones running for re-election.

Get ready for some compromise, or some more Dems in Congress.

I wonder how itll change now that they dont have to worry about voting him out of office.

May change things a bit. I hope

Kid A
11-06-2012, 11:10 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/222591_3377915505714_54490169_n.jpg

Dude just flat out crushes those polling numbers.

The thing is (by his own admission) it was mostly just poll aggregate. Basic basic math. Pundits (on both sides, but mostly GOP) didn't want to believe. Because their jobs hinge on it being a horse race, a toss up the whole way, hinging on every little controversy.

But it isn't. Polling is so extensive now in swing state that we know. We now know who is going to win down to a very exact percentage, even in a pretty close election like this. Commence ignoring the talking heads.

Rohirrim
11-06-2012, 11:12 PM
I have been watching the returns for the last 5 hours. You have to give the Obama GOTV team a ton of credit. Their data mining and hundreds of millions invested in GOTV infrastructure really won it for the President. Romney's Project Orca and GOTV effort was okay, but it wasn't much of a match for the organization that Obama built over the course of several years.

I think this is good for the GOP, BTW. I was and remain (even when I casted my ballot for him via write in) a supporter of Jon Huntsman. He's the best candidate we had, because he was the most thoughtful, reasonable, experienced and well rounded. He combined alot of the things people like about the GOP (fiscal conservatism), along with moderate stances on social issues, the environment and foreign affairs where most of America is. I said when he was basically forced out that it was a mistake that would be rued....and it was. Demographics are changing, and you have to tack to the center to win. And the center is where most reasonable proposals are anyway. Kicking out the one true centrist means another loss....just as I predicted here, even in a relatively weak economy. We need to focus on the guys like Huntsman, like Mitch Daniels, like Jeb Bush and other moderate Republicans. Nominating extremist candidates like Akin, like Mourdock etc. when those seats were locks is the reason for the loss. That's what it is. That is what I've been saying all along. They need to learn a lesson.

Romney didn't lose because he was a "Massachussets Moderate". He lost because he was forced by the base into extreme positions in the primary just to win and Obama used that to paint an effective narrative. Come to the center and adjust to reality and we can move forward as a party. I'm glad this got hammered into the party's head. This is the only way. It's the Nixon way and the Eisenhower way and the Bush I way...its the only way to win.

Props to Obama for his victory. I hope he continues to try and push a grand bargain for debt reduction as I continue to view that as the biggest issue. In exchange, we should be grateful that he is willing to compromise (when the House GOP has not) and should offer compromises on tax issues and global warming issues in consideration. There is much room to get stuff done....if they are willing to work with the President. As a moderate Republican, I hope they finally try to work with him.

Sounds good, but I don't see how that happens with the primary process. The extremists rule the party. The GOP is reaping the fruit of Lee Atwater's strategy to bend down to the darker angels of human nature in order to win elections. You let the whackos on the bus and before you know it, they're sitting behind the wheel. I, for one, would appreciate having a powerful, fiscal conservative voice in Washington, but not one chained to a medieval social policy. It will take years for the Republicans to rebuild their brand. Meanwhile, the changing demographics are leaving them in the dust. Unfortunately, given the personalities running the GOP right now, they are not going to learn anything from this. They will go down with the ship. I just hope they don't pull down the entire country with them.

gunns
11-06-2012, 11:12 PM
http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/E0/BBA329D5387F1521448DF156637BAE_h231_w308_m4_cqCSdz JNU.jpg