Gov. Romney : 47th in job creation !!!

[Jetmeck]

All the yada yada tax cuts and yet still 3 from dead last in job creation.........................

We don't need a corporate raider for president or a job deletor or a guy who thinks profits over people is where its at.

You know who is working for the middle class working people and it isn't Mitt.

You know who created the mess we are in and who has had their foot on the brakes to stop things from getting better faster.


These guys screwed us and then screwed us again by picking power and party over what is best for the country.

PUNISH THESE FOOLS TOMORROW !!!!!!

Wake up and get your ass to the polls tomorrow.

[Mecklomaniac]

Not a big fan of Factcheck.org But even they are calling BS on this one.

Romney inherited a state that was dead last 50th, and got it to 28th

A Democratic governor said Romney “left his state 47th out of 50 in job growth.” Actually, Massachusetts went from 50th in job creation during Romney’s first year to 28th in his final year.

[cutthemdown]

Also the unemployment rate at the time was a healthy number. I think under 6% which is pretty good.

[houghtam]

Not a big fan of Factcheck.org But even they are calling BS on this one.

Romney inherited a state that was dead last 50th, and got it to 28th

I suppose it depends on how you measure it.

This from Politifact...

Since the Massachusetts governor takes office in early January, PolitiFact used data for December of each year as a baseline. From December 2002 to December 2006, Massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 states (not including the District of Columbia) in job growth. Only Louisiana, Michigan and Ohio fared worse.

You also conveniently cut out a bit from FactCheck...the last sentence in the paragraph you quoted states:

"It was 47th for the whole of his four-year tenure, but it was improving, not declining, when he left."

The article http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obama-twists-romneys-economic-record/ also goes on to state that:

Our fact-checking colleagues at the Washington Post put together a chart comparing the jobs records of Obama, as president, and Romney, as Massachusetts governor, at similar points in their terms of office. Ironically, what the chart shows is a fairly similar trajectory under both men.

So right there in bold, the claim that Romney somehow has a better job creation record than Obama falls flat on its face.



Spin away...

[spdirty]

These guys screwed us and then screwed us again by picking power and party over what is best for the country.

PUNISH THESE FOOLS TOMORROW !!!!!!

Wake up and get your ass to the polls tomorrow.

Oh you bet your ass I will. As well as my wife, dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and every single construction worker I've ever run across. All to punish and vote that son of a bitch out of office. You can bet your ass we will all get up early and get our asses to the polls.

[orinjkrush]

correlation does not mean causation. Clinton didn't cause the information revolution either but his administration benefited from it. no CEO can take credit for the performance of his huge mass of people under him/her. Not even Steve Jobs. We want to believe in these "Great Men" but it just aint so.

[cutthemdown]

Unemployment went from 6% to 4.7% under Romney. Spin that biatch.

[Rohirrim]

correlation does not mean causation. Clinton didn't cause the information revolution either but his administration benefited from it. no CEO can take credit for the performance of his huge mass of people under him/her. Not even Steve Jobs. We want to believe in these "Great Men" but it just aint so.

I don't know about that. Genghis Khan was pretty bad ass.

[lonestar]

All the yada yada tax cuts and yet still 3 from dead last in job creation.........................

We don't need a corporate raider for president or a job deletor or a guy who thinks profits over people is where its at.

You know who is working for the middle class working people and it isn't Mitt.

You know who created the mess we are in and who has had their foot on the brakes to stop things from getting better faster.


These guys screwed us and then screwed us again by picking power and party over what is best for the country.

PUNISH THESE FOOLS TOMORROW !!!!!!

Wake up and get your ass to the polls tomorrow.

Maybe he can make everyone a union job and give them the mood in bennies. Will you be happy then.

You are the most angry hysterical old raggy lady on this forum by far.

[lonestar]

Oh you bet your ass I will. As well as my wife, dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and every single construction worker I've ever run across. All to punish and vote that son of a b**** out of office. You can bet your ass we will all get up early and get our asses to the polls.

Voted last week. Picked up some candiates lawn posters and put them out as i came into the house.
Put my wife's and mother in laws absentee ballots in the mail also.

Nothing to do tomorrow other than cach up on old movies.

Not even sure I will watch the returns.. Because of all the blather from both sides.

This is the first time seeing all the ads have turned me off.

And not being in this part of the forum, not seeing all the moronic posts from the uber left has made me a happy man.


I suspect there will be some very unhappy folks tomorrow this time. Lots of attempted wrist slashings by those same liberals.


What will be will be.. Out of my control at this point.

[The Lone Bolt]

Not a big fan of Factcheck.org But even they are calling BS on this one.

Romney inherited a state that was dead last 50th, and got it to 28th

I see.

So when Slick Willard "inherits" a bad economic situation and doesn't turn it into boom times overnight it's not his fault.

But when Obama inherits the worst economic mess since 1929....

You should be screaming that because Slick Willard didn't take the mess he inherited and IMMEDIATELY turn it into the BIGGEST ECONOMIC BOOM IN THE NATION, he's a complete failure.

[lonestar]

I see.

So when Slick Willard "inherits" a bad economic situation and doesn't turn it into boom times overnight it's not his fault.

But when Obama inherits the worst economic mess since 1929....

You should be screaming that because Slick Willard didn't take the mess he inherited and IMMEDIATELY turn it into the BIGGEST ECONOMIC BOOM IN THE NATION, he's a complete failure.

hell in 3 years, 10 months just a whiff of a recovery would have been better than he has done..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

hell in 3 years, 10 months just a whiff of a recovery would have been better than he has done..

How are fact and arithmetic-free types like you supposed to catch a whiff of anything when your noses are buried in such dung heaps as Fox News and breitbart.com?

[The Lone Bolt]

hell in 3 years, 10 months just a whiff of a recovery would have been better than he has done..

Oh BULL. ::)

Republicans are criticizing Obama because the economy isn't BOOMING. How does that standard not apply to Slick Willard? thwack

[lonestar]

Oh BULL. ::)

Republicans are criticizing Obama because the economy isn't BOOMING. How does that standard not apply to Slick Willard? thwack

I guess I missed the memo that he has been the president for the last 3+ years..

slick willard that the best you got?

what a maroon..

[The Lone Bolt]

I guess I missed the memo that he has been the president for the last 3+ years..

slick willard that the best you got?

what a maroon..

http://pictures.funnyforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/THE-STUPID-IT-BURNS-2.jpg

I have to explain it to you? Really?

[lonestar]

http://pictures.funnyforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/THE-STUPID-IT-BURNS-2.jpg

wow even more stupidity from you.. maybe even a double maroon..

[cutthemdown]

Basically Obama probably not too blame for the surge from 7.8 to 10% when he took over. But after th recovery started he ruined it and that is why it stopped at 7.9 and we are really not much better off then we were 4 yrs ago.

he's just not a great leader. IMO its not so bad we cant survive another 4 yrs, but we are looking for better. Romney knows how to make money and i think the govt will do better under him. I agree he is a flip flopper but so is Obama.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Also the unemployment rate at the time was a healthy number. I think under 6% which is pretty good.

That was one of obummers promises in 2008- to get unemployment to 6%. If he had kept that one promise or at least put it at the forefront, this wouldnt even be a close race. Instead we get obamacare as priority #1 to pay back his cronies.

[cutthemdown]

That was one of obummers promises in 2008- to get unemployment to 6%. If he had kept that one promise or at least put it at the forefront, this wouldnt even be a close race. Instead we get obamacare as priority #1 to pay back his cronies.

i agree Obamacare and a poorly spent stimulus the reason the recovery stalled.

[BroncoBeavis]

correlation does not mean causation. Clinton didn't cause the information revolution either but his administration benefited from it. no CEO can take credit for the performance of his huge mass of people under him/her. Not even Steve Jobs. We want to believe in these "Great Men" but it just aint so.

This. The thing to avoid is "Great Men" who truly believe they wield this kind of power. They will always fail. The best leaders focus on preparing the team to compete. But they don't own the credit for all victory (or failure).

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This. The thing to avoid is "Great Men" who truly believe they wield this kind of power. They will always fail. The best leaders focus on preparing the team to compete. But they don't own the credit for all victory (or failure).

http://bullmurph.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/gw-mission-accomplished.jpg

[BroncoBeavis]

http://bullmurph.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/gw-mission-accomplished.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5v3DsAB64kRyuihv_afxrJP3zaX3ti ms6CrrZIXbiXi2ltrAXqA

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Gosh, now there's a real equivalence. ::)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This. The thing to avoid is "Great Men" who truly believe they wield this kind of power. They will always fail. The best leaders focus on preparing the team to compete. But they don't own the credit for all victory (or failure).

Just like the last guy your party sent to the WH, right? Ha!

[BroncoBeavis]

^

Gosh, now there's a real equivalence. ::)

Good point. The thread's about jobs and you post something about the Iraq war.

To be fair though, broken records do have a limited selection. :)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Good point. The thread's about jobs and you post something about the Iraq war.

To be fair though, broken records do have a limited selection. :)

Your comment didn't specifically address jobs - it was a general "observation" about leadership styles.

You have to admit you left yourself wide open for the response you got.

[BroncoBeavis]

Your comment didn't specifically address jobs - it was a general "observation" about leadership styles.

You have to admit you left yourself wide open for the response you got.

If this were Bush v Obama, you might have something. Maybe. Except that election never happened. But go ahead and focus on winning your fantasy election while the voters decide the real deal today.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If this were Bush v Obama, you might have something. Maybe. Except that election never happened. But go ahead and focus on winning your fantasy election while the voters decide the real deal today.

Now look who's changing the subject. :wave:

Doesn't change the irony of your comments about leadership one bit.

[BroncoBeavis]

Now look who's changing the subject. :wave:

Doesn't change the irony of your comments about leadership one bit.

There's no irony unless you're saying I worshipped GWB as much as you do BHO. That's not really the case. Bush had many flawed leadership characteristics.

Besides, military leadership is a completely different animal from economic leadership. Much to the disappointment of many left-leaners, there's no such thing as a commander in chief in a free economy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There's no irony unless you're saying I worshipped GWB as much as you do BHO. That's not really the case. Bush had many flawed leadership characteristics.

Besides, military leadership is a completely different animal from economic leadership. Much to the disappointment of many left-leaners, there's no such thing as a commander in chief in a free economy.

This post should be used as an example of "The True Scotsman Fallacy" on Wiki.

Ha!

[BroncoBeavis]

This post should be used as an example of "The True Scotsman Fallacy" on Wiki.

Ha!

Why? Just to confuse people about what it really means? :)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why? Just to confuse people about what it really means? :)

No true Scotsman is an informal logical fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.[1] When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim, rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule.

Exactly what you just did here.

[orinjkrush]

http://shirtscope.com/images/products/315/315_d.jpg

[BroncoBeavis]

Exactly what you just did here.

Only if you think your original comparison made sense.

Hanging a "Mission Accomplished" banner on a Carrier returning to port after a long wartime stretch does not equal believing (as a law professor) you can imagineer entire new sectors of the economy into existence by the stroke of a pen.

Apples and Oreos.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Only if you think your original comparison made sense.

Hanging a "Mission Accomplished" banner on a Carrier returning to port after a long wartime stretch does not equal believing (as a law professor) you can imagineer(sic) entire new sectors of the economy into existence by the stroke of a pen.

Apples and Oreos.

The "mission accomplished" reference was a direct response to your comments about leadership - nothing more.

Not surprisingly, the irony was completely lost on you.