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Bob's your Information Minister
11-03-2012, 03:20 PM
What do you guys know of him?

Is he ready to be a head coach?

We're debating about him on Chefsplanet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266137

TheReverend
11-03-2012, 03:28 PM
Oh good lord I'd be sick...

No Shanahan should ever have that Kansas City stench.

lonestar
11-03-2012, 03:30 PM
What do you guys know of him?

Is he ready to be a head coach?

We're debating about him on Chefsplanet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266137

Oh he is a keeper just like his old man..


best thing that could ever happen to US....


ROFL!ROFL!

baja
11-03-2012, 03:33 PM
Don't think he is ready

baja
11-03-2012, 03:35 PM
If he learned from his mistakes McD might be a good choice as hong as he had a strong GM to answer to.

baja
11-03-2012, 03:37 PM
Remember he won his first six games before he pissed off all the players his DC and the owner and Fred.

DBroncos4life
11-03-2012, 03:42 PM
Best coach for Geno Smith IMO.

baja
11-03-2012, 03:43 PM
Best coach for Geno Smith IMO.

You mean Kyle or McD?

DBroncos4life
11-03-2012, 03:44 PM
You mean Kyle or McD?

Kyle, McD is the worst coach ever.

baja
11-03-2012, 03:47 PM
Kyle, McD is the worst coach ever.

He sure was for us but if he ever learns to not be a dick he might turn out to be a good one.

First time coaches often suck. See Shanny in Oakland.

DBroncos4life
11-03-2012, 03:49 PM
He sure was for us but if he ever learns to not be a dick he might turn out to be a good one.

First time coaches often suck. See Shanny in Oakland.

Or they might just suck like Crennel or Eric Mangini.

baja
11-03-2012, 03:51 PM
Or they might just suck like Crennel or Eric Mangini.

Always a possibility

SoCalBronco
11-03-2012, 03:52 PM
Stay away from him Bob....that's our future HC

Broncos_OTM
11-03-2012, 03:53 PM
I don't think he's ready. Geno could have potential in that offense though. Although you guys pickdd a bad year to suck. The qbs in this class.. meh... hope you guys draft that kid from Tennessee... whose name just left my head :-/

Edit tyler bray

Bacchus
11-03-2012, 03:58 PM
I do not think anyone knows for sure if he is ready. I think he'll take over the Skins when Shanny is is done. It's hard to tell with him in Shanny's shadow.

lonestar
11-03-2012, 04:12 PM
He sure was for us but if he ever learns to not be a dick he might turn out to be a good one.

First time coaches often suck. See Shanny in Oakland.

wished they had kept him..

as for Josh the guy is brilliant much like mikey was, as such lots of folks find it hard to understand the concept and overall neither were good at communication with the outside world.. Lots of player thought both were dicks.. Not uncommon.. I suspect most players in GB when Lombardi showed up hated his ass..

lonestar
11-03-2012, 04:13 PM
Stay away from him Bob....that's our future HC

Shirley you jest.. I know you love Tahnahan but is it now with his kids.?

you need to get out more in the real world..

baja
11-03-2012, 04:45 PM
wished they had kept him..

as for Josh the guy is brilliant much like mikey was, as such lots of folks find it hard to understand the concept and overall neither were good at communication with the outside world.. Lots of player thought both were *****.. Not uncommon.. I suspect most players in GB when Lombardi showed up hated his ass..

Hard to believe you would really feel that way. Shanny brought us 2 SB titles how can you say you wish he had never been here?

Shanny was here 2 seasons too long but I am sure as hell glad he was the Broncos coach for the rest of his tenure even with the horrid drafting and in later years bad FA signings.

gyldenlove
11-03-2012, 05:02 PM
I don't think he is quite ready - I have no doubt he is a skilled offensive coach but I would like to see him get another year or two as a coordinator before making the jump.

Right now I would consider Mccoy a better candidate.

cutthemdown
11-03-2012, 05:03 PM
Do you have RGIII? I guess if you guys get Geno he could come in with same system. People comparing the 2 players are going to be dissapointed though. Geno has 0 deep ball accuracy compared to RgIII. Geno more another Cam Newton at best. The league will figure out he only throws short passes and runs a lot. Load up the box because he doesn't throw the deep ball like rgIII. None of these other running qbs do.

ColoradoDarin
11-03-2012, 05:04 PM
I don't get the hate for Mike Shanahan just like I never got the hate for Tebow and never got the hate for Jake Plummer. All those 3 have done for this franchise is win playoff games (and in Shanny's case 2 SBs including that 98 team I would put up against any in league history). Was it time for Shanahan to go when he did, yeah, but I don't hold any ounce of hate for him and what he did for the Broncos.

I got the hate for Orton - though once he stopped starting and now he's gone the hate just didn't have depth to it, and I understand the hate for Cutler with the way he left, even if it wasn't his fault, he still shat on the fans on the way out the door.

razorwire77
11-03-2012, 05:06 PM
If it happens, You guys will be bringing Chris Simms in for a look.

backup qb
11-03-2012, 05:27 PM
Chris Simms>cassel & Quinn.....

Irish Stout
11-03-2012, 05:34 PM
Kyle will be a good HC I believe... when I don't know.

I don't think McD has what it takes to ever be a HC again.

extralife
11-03-2012, 05:54 PM
He's got OC experience under Kubiak and Daddy, both of whom have fielded good offenses under him. A Geno Smith/Jamal Charles combo would play to his strengths, obviously. Of course it's a bit of a dice roll, but hey, what do the Chiefs have to lose? I think it'd be a good move.

extralife
11-03-2012, 05:55 PM
Hard to believe you would really feel that way. Shanny brought us 2 SB titles how can you say you wish he had never been here?

Shanny was here 2 seasons too long but I am sure as hell glad he was the Broncos coach for the rest of his tenure even with the horrid drafting and in later years bad FA signings.

It's lonestar. He's a ****ing idiot.

Greatspirits
11-03-2012, 06:01 PM
I agree, don't think he's ready, but you never know!

gyldenlove
11-03-2012, 06:04 PM
He's got OC experience under Kubiak and Daddy, both of whom have fielded good offenses under him. A Geno Smith/Jamal Charles combo would play to his strengths, obviously. Of course it's a bit of a dice roll, but hey, what do the Chiefs have to lose? I think it'd be a good move.

The problem is that he has been OC under offensive head coaches, how much of the offense they ran in Houston was dictated by Kubiak? how much of what they do now in Washington is dictated by Mike Shanahan?

If he moved on and took the OC job under a coach who is not involved with the offense, it would help him.

BroncoMan4ever
11-03-2012, 06:07 PM
If it happens, You guys will be bringing Chris Simms in for a look.

So they'd upgrade?

Greatspirits
11-03-2012, 06:23 PM
But for God's sake, stay away from McCoy!!

broncosteven
11-03-2012, 06:27 PM
What do you guys know of him?

Is he ready to be a head coach?

We're debating about him on Chefsplanet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266137

kFc so wants to be like Denver it is funny.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Marty's kids? After all Marty got you your last playoff win.

extralife
11-03-2012, 06:34 PM
The problem is that he has been OC under offensive head coaches, how much of the offense they ran in Houston was dictated by Kubiak? how much of what they do now in Washington is dictated by Mike Shanahan?

If he moved on and took the OC job under a coach who is not involved with the offense, it would help him.

Mike at least made a point to say that he was going to delegate a lot of the game planning to Kyle. Kid Kyle calls the plays, and he called them under Kubiak too. Plus, he's obviously been able to learn from those guys. I wouldn't take it as all negative.

DENVERDUI55
11-03-2012, 06:45 PM
He sure was for us but if he ever learns to not be a dick he might turn out to be a good one.

First time coaches often suck. See Shanny in Oakland.

Belichek in Cleveland.

baja
11-03-2012, 06:50 PM
Wade in Denver

Wade would have been much better if the Jerry Jones didn't treat the Cowboys like his own FF team.

Actually SD would be wise to hire Wade and dump Norv.

wyobronco
11-03-2012, 07:01 PM
Norv is probably going to be looking for a new gig. He'd look really good in red.

Tombstone RJ
11-03-2012, 07:06 PM
Stay away from him Bob....that's our future HC

:spit:

fwf
11-03-2012, 07:11 PM
Nah stick with Pioli and Crennel, it'll turn around. Stay the course lol

BroncoMan4ever
11-03-2012, 07:37 PM
Norv is probably going to be looking for a new gig. He'd look really good in red.

I think if McCoy gets a HC gig opportunities like he was up for last season, I would not mind Norv as an Offensive Coordinator.

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:17 PM
It's lonestar. He's a ****ing idiot.

wow another poster that has to go straight to attack mode because he has nothing civil to say..

what have I said about tanahan that was wrong?

he was an excellent OC, over his head as HC Twice now, maybe even three times the jury is out in WAS, he was beyond lousy as the GM, his talent evaluations sucked to high heaven, loved to spend someone else's money, never saw a Defense he liked.. hired more coaches than most people on here can count.. fingers and toes..

won us a couple of rings past that he should have left when he was ahead, oh the one that almost everyone likes he won a lot of games..

But he lost every Playoff game after John left excpet one and THEN the next week we got our asses kicked..

did I leave anything out?

Cito Pelon
11-03-2012, 08:19 PM
I don't get the hate for Mike Shanahan just like I never got the hate for Tebow and never got the hate for Jake Plummer. All those 3 have done for this franchise is win playoff games (and in Shanny's case 2 SBs including that 98 team I would put up against any in league history). Was it time for Shanahan to go when he did, yeah, but I don't hold any ounce of hate for him and what he did for the Broncos.

I got the hate for Orton - though once he stopped starting and now he's gone the hate just didn't have depth to it, and I understand the hate for Cutler with the way he left, even if it wasn't his fault, he still shat on the fans on the way out the door.

Shanahan voluntarily took the Oakland Raider HC job. His job description under Al Davis was to beat the crap out of the Broncos. Isn't that a good enough reason to at least dislike Shanahan?

Shanahan was brought into the NFL by Reeves as one of his earliest hires, promoted through the ranks from WR coach to Offensive Coordinator, then Shanahan defects to the Raiders.

That's kind of disgusting. The Raiders. Shanahan voluntarily takes the HC job under Al Davis where his job description is to beat the team that brought him into the NFL. One of the most bitter rivalries in the NFL, and Shanahan jumps ship to the rival from the team that brought him into the NFL.

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:25 PM
I think if McCoy gets a HC gig opportunities like he was up for last season, I would not mind Norv as an Offensive Coordinator.

we already have one Manning..

while I think that is Norvs peter principle level not sure I want him in DEN unless John would keep him on a very very very short leash..

not allow him in or near the war room, as I think some of Smiths draft decisions were influenced by norv..

fwf
11-03-2012, 08:26 PM
I could see both of the Gruden brothers getting jobs next year. John was interviewing Phylis before the Monday night game and they seemed to get along. Some may say thats one of the more attractive openings bc they have an established QB.
Oregon's Chip Kelly is suppose to be the hot name. Maybe he goes to Dallas.

And what about Saban? They say he's the type who wears his welcome out after 5 yrs or so. Cowher, who lives in NC could probably get the Panthers job if he wanted. Which would be another opening with a legit Qb.

gyldenlove
11-03-2012, 08:35 PM
Mike at least made a point to say that he was going to delegate a lot of the game planning to Kyle. Kid Kyle calls the plays, and he called them under Kubiak too. Plus, he's obviously been able to learn from those guys. I wouldn't take it as all negative.

It isn't all negative for sure, but we all know that Shanahan and Kubiak are big fans of scripting, so how much influence does he have on the scripted plays, how much influence does he have on formations and play design etc. That is always difficult to truly assess when a coordinator works under a coach who is known as a specialist.

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:36 PM
Hard to believe you would really feel that way. Shanny brought us 2 SB titles how can you say you wish he had never been here?

Shanny was here 2 seasons too long but I am sure as hell glad he was the Broncos coach for the rest of his tenure even with the horrid drafting and in later years bad FA signings.

I'm forever grateful of the two rings.. but after John left he only drug this franchise down.. with his piss poor personnel moves.. HE was a genius initially when FA first started.. then he believed all ills of the Broncos could be fixed with it.. and it kept getting more expensive each year especially after everyone else saw what he had done to plug holes to get us those two rings..


IMO he was here 8 seasons to long.. even the play off run with Jake was fools gold, As much as I liked Jake he had very little/nothing to support him talent wise.. the OL was a joke even if they had good numbers on running the ball, when we had to have the yards inside the 20 we folded like a cheap tent, Elam was a leader in scoring in the NFL because we could not finish with TD's when we got close..

his Defenses sucked for most of his career here.. only a couple of time ranked in the top ten.. and then usually one side was strong while the other side of the D was near the bottom.. lets not even talk about ST's as we for the most part really sucked there..

sorry but I have zero love for mikey past those two rings.. Who knows with the talent we already had on the team another HC could have come in and done the same thing..

R8R H8R
11-03-2012, 08:38 PM
Kyle is a handful of years away before he is ready, but I have no doubt that he will be a head coach someday. He probably needs to go the way of his dad--spend a couple of years learning what not to do as a head coach with a loser team, get fired, then join a winning organization as a hot shot OC and help them win a SB. Then he'll have good teams clamoring after him.

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:39 PM
I don't get the hate for Mike Shanahan just like I never got the hate for Tebow and never got the hate for Jake Plummer. All those 3 have done for this franchise is win playoff games (and in Shanny's case 2 SBs including that 98 team I would put up against any in league history). Was it time for Shanahan to go when he did, yeah, but I don't hold any ounce of hate for him and what he did for the Broncos.

I got the hate for Orton - though once he stopped starting and now he's gone the hate just didn't have depth to it, and I understand the hate for Cutler with the way he left, even if it wasn't his fault, he still shat on the fans on the way out the door.

see post above.. I also liked Jake and Tebow because they seemed to figure out a way to win.. no quit in either of them (save 06 for Jake when mikey stabbed him in the back)

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:40 PM
Kyle is a handful of years away before he is ready, but I have no doubt that he will be a head coach someday. He probably needs to go the way of his dad--spend a couple of years learning what not to do as a head coach with a loser team, get fired, then join a winning organization as a hot shot OC and help them win a SB. Then he'll have good teams clamoring after him.

sounds like the perfect spot for him KC..

baja
11-03-2012, 08:42 PM
Shanahan voluntarily took the Oakland Raider HC job. His job description under Al Davis was to beat the crap out of the Broncos. Isn't that a good enough reason to at least dislike Shanahan?

Shanahan was brought into the NFL by Reeves as one of his earliest hires, promoted through the ranks from WR coach to Offensive Coordinator, then Shanahan defects to the Raiders.

That's kind of disgusting. The Raiders. Shanahan voluntarily takes the HC job under Al Davis where his job description is to beat the team that brought him into the NFL. One of the most bitter rivalries in the NFL, and Shanahan jumps ship to the rival from the team that brought him into the NFL.

I got my issues with Mike but taking the Raiders HC job certainly ins't one of them. What is he supposed to say, "No thanks Al I don't want to take the HC job that I have worked for all my life for because it's the Raiders EUUU"

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:48 PM
I got my issues with Mike but taking the Raiders HC job certainly ins't one of them. What is he supposed to say, "No thanks Al I don't want to take the HC job that I have worked for all my life for because it's the Raiders EUUU"

I guess I would have started with I'll take the job ONLY IF you stay the **** away from the players,practices and do not **** with what I'm doing..

there were other jobs out there perhaps not that year but they would have come along.. his EGO got the best of him AGAIN..

BroncoMan4ever
11-03-2012, 08:52 PM
we already have one Manning..

while I think that is Norvs peter principle level not sure I want him in DEN unless John would keep him on a very very very short leash..

not allow him in or near the war room, as I think some of Smiths draft decisions were influenced by norv..
Peyton is a general on the field, but he still defers to the OC and HC in terms of general scheme and in personnel. Norv is like Wade Phillips, crap HC but awesome coordinator. He would be a huge upgrade.

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:55 PM
let me say I took a job once as the state manager for a company in STL.. I was promised one thing a certain % of the profits plus a really good salary and loads of benefits, company car gas etc....

After being on the job for two weeks and going over the P&L statement, I sat down with the Owner and gave him the cold hard facts that the previous guy had sold all the decent assets and the company would not be profitable for a couple of years..

Gave him the option of upping my salary or looking for another manager because I was not going to work on that salary alone.. HE chose to go cheap..

I was hired in LA two days later..

sometimes you have to play hardball with owners

lonestar
11-03-2012, 08:59 PM
Peyton is a general on the field, but he still defers to the OC and HC in terms of general scheme and in personnel. Norv is like Wade Phillips, crap HC but awesome coordinator. He would be a huge upgrade.

you are entitled to your opine.. I do not agree about him being a upgrade..

he has been stagnant on O without his big studs since he/they allowed LT and TG to leave they have been going steadily down hill after last years lose of the big guy.

his best years have been with super stars like he had in DAL.. not great without great talent, a lot like mikey was..

it is really easy to win with HOF players.. once they are gone the playoff wins dry up..

Bacchus
11-03-2012, 09:06 PM
What would really suck is if the Chefs hire Jack Del Rio as their next coach!!

Cito Pelon
11-03-2012, 09:10 PM
I got my issues with Mike but taking the Raiders HC job certainly ins't one of them. What is he supposed to say, "No thanks Al I don't want to take the HC job that I have worked for all my life for because it's the Raiders EUUU"

It's certainly one of them with me. Shanahan takes the arch-rival Raider HC job where his job description is mainly to beat the Broncos, since the two teams were vying for the AFW West title at the time. Most people won't agree now, but, if Shanahan would have gone on to beat the hell out of the Broncos for ten years what would you say?

Kaylore
11-03-2012, 09:11 PM
I think Kyle needs a few more years before he's ready to be a head coach. I also doubt his first jaunt into the coaching circles would be to a team that has been annihilated with bad ownership the way KC has been.

baja
11-03-2012, 09:18 PM
It's certainly one of them with me. Shanahan takes the arch-rival Raider HC job where his job description is mainly to beat the Broncos, since the two teams were vying for the AFW West title at the time. Most people won't agree now, but, if Shanahan would have gone on to beat the hell out of the Broncos for ten years what would you say?

I'd say he proved himself to be a good coach

Tombstone RJ
11-03-2012, 09:39 PM
I think if McCoy gets a HC gig opportunities like he was up for last season, I would not mind Norv as an Offensive Coordinator.

this

Taco John
11-03-2012, 10:28 PM
Dream on. Kyle Shanahan will never accept a job with the Chiefs. Mike Shanahan proteges are instructed to wait for the right opportunity. Look at Gary Kubiak for an example. It was years before he took a HC job, largely because of this philosophy. Mike Shanahan will never counsel his son to take a job with an organization like the Chiefs.

Archer81
11-03-2012, 10:33 PM
you are entitled to your opine.. I do not agree about him being a upgrade..

he has been stagnant on O without his big studs since he/they allowed LT and TG to leave they have been going steadily down hill after last years lose of the big guy.

his best years have been with super stars like he had in DAL.. not great without great talent, a lot like mikey was..

it is really easy to win with HOF players.. once they are gone the playoff wins dry up..


TG? I hope you dont mean Tony Gonzalez.

:Broncos:

KipCorrington25
11-04-2012, 12:53 AM
A career built on nepotism usually works out great and with KC's track record for coaching hires it's a no brainer!

extralife
11-04-2012, 01:47 AM
Shanahan voluntarily took the Oakland Raider HC job. His job description under Al Davis was to beat the crap out of the Broncos. Isn't that a good enough reason to at least dislike Shanahan?

Shanahan was brought into the NFL by Reeves as one of his earliest hires, promoted through the ranks from WR coach to Offensive Coordinator, then Shanahan defects to the Raiders.

That's kind of disgusting. The Raiders. Shanahan voluntarily takes the HC job under Al Davis where his job description is to beat the team that brought him into the NFL. One of the most bitter rivalries in the NFL, and Shanahan jumps ship to the rival from the team that brought him into the NFL.

what a ****ing nerd. if the rival of the company you work for offered you a raise of 1000% to man the position you've always wanted to man, you'd shove over an old lady to suck some dick to get it. get over yourself, jesus some people are idiots.

lonestar
11-04-2012, 01:53 AM
what a ****ing nerd. if the rival of the company you work for offered you a raise of 1000% to man the position you've always wanted to man, you'd shove over an old lady to suck some dick to get it. get over yourself, jesus some people are idiots.

not everyone will sell themselves out..

for example Kubes he had several chances to move on, I think he knew he was not quite ready and waited for the one, just so happens it was one he wanted most..

not everyone sells them selves out for the almighty dollar.. the situation has to be right or it becomes a miserable job..

extralife
11-04-2012, 02:03 AM
you're right, taking a head coach job is a total sell out, shanahan was bound by god to work for the broncos and the broncos only. specifically because you are a fan of the broncos. in the NFL, everyone is even, everyone is already a "sell out" in the sense that they are getting paid millions of dollars because of corporate backing. please enlighten me as to why team X is better than team Y in this regard. if pat bowlen or dan reeves thought shanahan was under performing, they'd fire him in a second and you'd give no second thought as to why that was or was not fair from an individual perspective. the reverse is no different.

R8R H8R
11-04-2012, 02:03 AM
What would really suck is if the Chefs hire Jack Del Rio as their next coach!!

This. I know it is still young in the season, but I think JDR is the best thing to happen to the Broncos defense, maybe since a young Joe Collier came along years ago. He will be a HC again, but I am hoping it is not for a couple of years from now. Unfortunately, i have a feeling it will be sooner, rather than later.

lonestar
11-04-2012, 02:17 AM
This. I know it is still young in the season, but I think JDR is the best thing to happen to the Broncos defense, maybe since a young Joe Collier came along years ago. He will be a HC again, but I am hoping it is not for a couple of years from now. Unfortunately, i have a feeling it will be sooner, rather than later.

some times Coordinators figure out although there is less money involved, there is less headaches and more time with Family if they stay a coordinator..

Dick Labuea is case in point and there are several otehrs that failed as a HC and frankly do not want to go back..

I'm guessing Wade is one that as long as he gets a good salary will be content to stay as a DC..

give them the title of assistant HC and great money he stays.. besides who really wants to go to a disaster like KC, CLE, SAN and try to fix it.. Odds are in 3 years you are looking for a DC job again and JDR fell into a really sweet spot these do not come around very often..

bowtown
11-04-2012, 05:46 AM
I could see both of the Gruden brothers getting jobs next year. John was interviewing Phylis before the Monday night game and they seemed to get along. Some may say thats one of the more attractive openings bc they have an established QB.
Oregon's Chip Kelly is suppose to be the hot name. Maybe he goes to Dallas.

And what about Saban? They say he's the type who wears his welcome out after 5 yrs or so. Cowher, who lives in NC could probably get the Panthers job if he wanted. Which would be another opening with a legit Qb.

Gruden will never go back to coaching. He's heir to the John Madden throne.

OrangeSe7en
11-04-2012, 06:43 AM
If Chiefs fans think Pioli will or should be replaced, shouldn't they be talking about their next GM and not their next head coach? Imagine if Pioli hires Shanahan and then Pioli gets fired and then the next GM wants a different coach? And lets say this happens because KC has a bad to mediocre transition year under Kyle before Pioli gets fired. This would/could mean 2 wasted seasons in KC, since it could result in 2 transition years close together.

DivineLegion
11-04-2012, 06:55 AM
wished they had kept him..

as for Josh the guy is brilliant much like mikey was, as such lots of folks find it hard to understand the concept and overall neither were good at communication with the outside world.. Lots of player thought both were *****.. Not uncommon.. I suspect most players in GB when Lombardi showed up hated his ass..

Actually quite the contrary for Lombardis players. Lombardi was tough but fair, and his players had nothing but respect for the man. Outside of his coaching Lombardi was a great human being, and for that his players loved him. His beliefs in humanity, kindness, integrity, fairness, and equality are what made him great.

fwf
11-04-2012, 08:24 AM
I think if McCoy gets a HC gig opportunities like he was up for last season, I would not mind Norv as an Offensive Coordinator.

Not me. Peyton is pretty much the OC so I want an in your face, leader of men, motivator type. Basically the opposite of Norv.. A Rob Ryan or Del Rio type of personality. But thats just me.

DBroncos4life
11-04-2012, 09:11 AM
Not me. Peyton is pretty much the OC so I want an in your face, leader of men, motivator type. Basically the opposite of Norv.. A Rob Ryan or Del Rio type of personality. But thats just me.

What does your guy say about it?

gunns
11-04-2012, 09:27 AM
I don't get the hate for Mike Shanahan just like I never got the hate for Tebow and never got the hate for Jake Plummer. All those 3 have done for this franchise is win playoff games (and in Shanny's case 2 SBs including that 98 team I would put up against any in league history). Was it time for Shanahan to go when he did, yeah, but I don't hold any ounce of hate for him and what he did for the Broncos.

I got the hate for Orton - though once he stopped starting and now he's gone the hate just didn't have depth to it, and I understand the hate for Cutler with the way he left, even if it wasn't his fault, he still shat on the fans on the way out the door.

What I don't get is people who seem to think it's hate. As for me, it was more disgust and frustration. For Shanahan having such a huge ego he couldn't recognize his ineptness at being a GM, for sooooo long. For Tebow, NOT A QB. I don't understand the hate for Orton because his ineptness was the same as Tebows at times. For Plummer, his stupid, stupid play and he NEVER won a playoff game. Our defense did, we won in spite of Plummer. It is not hate, just disgust, frustration. I do appreciate the good they did for us but after a while it all had to go.

Yeah Bob, take Kyle. The Chiefs offense will improve. Good luck stopping other teams though. Sneaky feeling that ego has been past down.

R8R H8R
11-04-2012, 03:00 PM
some times Coordinators figure out although there is less money involved, there is less headaches and more time with Family if they stay a coordinator..

Dick Labuea is case in point and there are several otehrs that failed as a HC and frankly do not want to go back..

I'm guessing Wade is one that as long as he gets a good salary will be content to stay as a DC..

give them the title of assistant HC and great money he stays.. besides who really wants to go to a disaster like KC, CLE, SAN and try to fix it.. Odds are in 3 years you are looking for a DC job again and JDR fell into a really sweet spot these do not come around very often..

Agreed. This is what I am hoping for. Pay him top money to stay, whatever that amount needs to be, idk, but do whatever is necessary to keep him, then let him take his time and find a great situation way down the road.

MojoBen
11-05-2012, 07:58 AM
Why do we still find some of our fans hating on Mike Shanahan? Sure his last two years weren't great but he did a lot of great things here.

As for Kyle I don't think he is quite ready personally.

baja
11-05-2012, 08:01 AM
Why do we still find some of our fans hating on Mike Shanahan? Sure his last two years weren't great but he did a lot of great things here.

As for Kyle I don't think he is quite ready personally.

Calling it like you see it does not mean you hate the object of your observation.

FearLanier
11-05-2012, 10:22 AM
Chiefs need to go after Cowher, Gruden and Chip Kelly. Get one of them.

Mile High 81
11-05-2012, 10:27 AM
Chiefs need to go after Cowher, Gruden and Chip Kelly. Get one of them.

Neither of them will coach there.

I believe if Pioli is not fired we see Josh MCD in KC....

FearLanier
11-05-2012, 10:35 AM
Neither of them will coach there.

I believe if Pioli is not fired we see Josh MCD in KC....

Pioli wanted Josh McD last spring and it was reported that Clark said no because nobody would buy into him.

What makes you think that would change now?

Tombstone RJ
11-05-2012, 10:43 AM
Chiefs need to go after Cowher, Gruden and Chip Kelly. Get one of them.

Chip Kelly said no to the Bucs, why would he say yes to the chefs? :welcome: Cowher wants full executive power with a coaching job. I have a feeling this is the exact reason why he's still sitting at home. Gruden ain't leaving a cushy job for kc. Sorry.

fail post is failing

FearLanier
11-05-2012, 10:45 AM
Chip Kelly said no to the Bucs, why would he say yes to the chefs? :welcome: Cowher wants full exective power with a coaching job. I have a feeling this is the exact reason why he's still sitting at home. Gruden ain't leaving a cushy job for kc. Sorry.

fail post is failing

Tampa Bay blacks out every game. Nobody really cares about the NFL in Florida.
Cowher would get power assuming Pioli is fired. But he will probably want to stay close to his family in Carolina.

Tombstone RJ
11-05-2012, 10:52 AM
Tampa Bay blacks out every game. Nobody really cares about the NFL in Florida.
Cowher would get power assuming Pioli is fired. But he will probably want to stay close to his family in Carolina.

TB has a good GM already in place and a young QB with some talent. They are much closer to winning than kc and their fans do show up when they are winning. If kc is stupid enough to make Cowher their GM/HC go right ahead and hire him. Fact is Cowher's teams were loaded with talent because of their front office and Cowher benefitted from Pittsburgh's stability and overall philosophy. Now, can Cowher be successful at being a defacto GM and the HC in kc? I seriously doubt it.

kc needs to hire a compitent GM and HC and draft or trade for a good young QB. Personally, I hope they continue to keep failing. I'd love for them to hire Cowher and give him the ability to oversee all the football operations. He'd fail miserably IMHO.

FearLanier
11-05-2012, 10:59 AM
TB has a good GM already in place and a young QB with some talent. They are much closer to winning than kc and their fans do show up when they are winning. If kc is stupid enough to make Cowher their GM/HC go right ahead and hire him. Fact is Cowher's teams were loaded with talent because of their front office and Cowher benefitted from Pittsburgh's stability and overall philosophy. Now, can Cowher be successful at being a defacto GM and the HC in kc? I seriously doubt it.

kc needs to hire a compitent GM and HC and draft or trade for a good young QB. Personally, I hope they continue to keep failing. I'd love for them to hire Cowher and give him the ability to oversee all the football operations. He'd fail miserably IMHO.

Oh boy. Josh Freeman is vastly overrated. Trust us. Freeman is from Kansas City. We've seen him for years. His best quality is arm strength. He simply can't read defenses as well as a 1st round pick should.

I agree with your 2nd point.

BroncoMan4ever
11-05-2012, 11:40 AM
Chiefs need to go after Cowher, Gruden and Chip Kelly. Get one of them.

Cowher and Gruden both seem happy in their current gigs. Only Gruden who might be a HC next season is Jay

fwf
11-05-2012, 12:03 PM
All I know is that there's probably going to be some attractive job openings next season (N.O, SD, Carolina), and the f'n chiefs ain't one of them.
About all the have going for them is a some what loyal fan base.

It's a **** city , **** stadium, **** gm, **** owner, **** qb, a bunch of **** contracts and they play in a non **** division against the goat.
If you ask me they would be doing well to sign McCoy and see if they can steal a division win or 2 based on his experience.

Garcia Bronco
11-05-2012, 12:38 PM
What do you guys know of him?

Is he ready to be a head coach?

We're debating about him on Chefsplanet.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=266137

I don't think so. He's too young.

RedskinBronco
12-18-2012, 09:28 PM
Article on KS. He is doing some great things and he deserves a lot of respect and head coaching attention. Kyle has really impressed

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000113501/kyle-shanahan-on-coaching-fast-track-with-redskins-malleability/

And much more, beginning with a look at why Kyle Shanahan is on the head-coaching fast track ...


Chris Cooley was cut by the Washington Redskins on Aug. 28. The veteran tight end then returned to the team on Oct. 22.

It's pretty tough for him to comprehend what transpired in the eight weeks in between.

"When I got back, it was a new offense," Cooley recounted recently. "The learning curve for me was drastic. I missed seven games. The last game I didn't play was against the Giants. I watch all the games and I'm in tune to what we're doing, [but] I couldn't have called a third of the plays in that game. I couldn't have told you what they were, what the responsibilities were. The way they'd grown from Week 1 to Week 7 was unreal."

So is the ascension of Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan on lists of potential head-coaching candidates. And Cooley's explanation hints at the primary reason why.

After leading a middling offense his first two years in Washington (ranked 18th and 16th in the league) under his father, the younger Shanahan retrofitted the traditional scheme Mike Shanahan has run around the talents of Robert Griffin III, for whom the 'Skins yielded a ransom to draft. Kyle installed concepts that Griffin ran at Baylor, mixed them with the old stuff, and created a unique attack designed to put his rookie quarterback in the best spot to prosper quickly. It worked. To wit:

Exihibit A: Griffin's 104.2 rating, 66.4 completion percentage and 18-to-4 TD-INT ratio.
Exhibit B: Washington now ranks fourth in total offense.
Exhibit C: With Griffin out in Week 15, it was easily adjustable to fit Washington's other rookie quarterback, Kirk Cousins.

"He's definitely exaggerating a little bit, just talking like Cooley does," Kyle Shanahan said over the phone, when apprised of his tight end's comments. "The whole basics of the zone read, we'd worked on that, did it really hard, put time into it from a Football 101 standpoint starting in OTAs, going from normal formations, getting the O-line right, getting the quarterback and running backs on the same page with the ballhandling. What Cooley saw was the simple ways to do it. That was the first couple games."

From there, the Redskins have kept defenses on their toes not by changing the concepts, but expanding the looks.

It's working. Washington topped the league in rushing at the quarter pole, stood second both at the midway point and after Week 12, and has risen back up to first since. So at this point, the idea that other teams would simply "catch up" to the problems the Redskins have created with their unique attack looks shaky.

"We've added moving parts -- out of crazy formations, running guys across the formation, bringing receivers in the backfield," Kyle continued. "Each week, we add to it. We got most wild with it the first time we played the Giants. To me, a lot of it is illusion. And it all goes back to what we've already done. The teaching has never really changed. The window dressing has. We can make it look like a lot of different stuff."

Kyle Shanahan's motivation to innovate here, more so than within the actual schematics, helps explain why he will draw interest from other clubs in need of a head coach this offseason. The 33-year-old chose to base his offense around the talent on hand, rather than forcing the talent to adapt to his ways. Which is to say he's inventive enough to be adapatable, something that would help any coach get the most out of his players.

In Griffin's case, Kyle said, "When we studied him, we saw a lot of things he did well, but (the zone-read) is what he did best, and we weren't going to take that away from him." So the Redskins went about trying to take what Griffin did best and make it something the offense could do well.

The interesting thing is that as Kyle Shanahan compiled tape of Baylor -- as well as the Tim Tebow-quarterbacked Denver Broncos, the Cam Newton Carolina Panthers and the Vince Young Tennessee Titans, to see how NFL defenses were combatting the option -- neither he nor any other Redskins coach consulted with any outside coach or option guru.

"I'm kinda glad we didn't," Kyle said. "Because of that, we had to look at it hard, study more tape, and we wound learning it better and coming up with our own impressions."

As you might expect, he scoffs at the notion that it's any kind of gimmick.

Kyle explains that the offense forces defenses to account for 11 players rather than 10, since the quarterback is part of the play. This opens up things everywhere else on the field. Washington runs, by Kyle's count, about nine plays per game off the read-option and the threat it creates. And when the Redskins are running it -- not playing off it -- an extra gap is created. It plays the angles and is built to put defensive guys in bad spots, which, he reminds, is offensive football.

Kyle concedes it can't be all you do in the NFL. But it can be an important element, so long as you can keep your quarterback upright.

"We don't want Robert to get hit, but the thing I've noticed is that people notice when he gets hit running the ball," Kyle Shanahan said. "But they don't realize how violent it is in the pocket. ... He doesn't get hit like (Matt) Schaub did or Rex (Grossman) did. Robert will do that (dropback) stuff, but with the threat of the zone-read, and the fact that he's not sitting there, defensive linemen aren't teeing off on him. It's not the same."

Still, to make it work, the Redskins have built in rules for Griffin. In scramble situations, he's only to run when he's not accounted for by the defense. And in most of those spots, he's told to use the angles and run to the sideline. They're coaching him to slide some, and get out of bounds more -- on option plays, too.

Kyle Shanahan also mentions that Griffin's two injuries this year came on scrambles, not designed runs.

Mike Shanahan told me earlier in the season that he expects the offense to be in a state of evolution for the first three years of Griffin's career, something evident in the way Kyle's running things. And maybe the best thing? In part because both the option looks and the old offense are rooted in zone-blocking concepts, it's easy to go back and forth in scheme, which allowed the Redskins to smoothly transition to Kirk Cousins last week. But again, the idea remains the same.

"You can't just turn it on and become a pocket passer. Most guys who are have been since they were born," Kyle Shanahan said. "They've been throwing from the pocket and reading coverages since Day 1. Robert's such a good athlete that he hasn't had to do that. He understands football, and he can do it. He works at it, and the way he thinks and works, he's gonna be good at everything. This is just what he does best now."

It doesn't take Amos Alonzo Stagg to recognize that. But it did take skill, and guts, to build it like this.

So far, it's paid off for the Redskins. Soon enough, it should pay off for Kyle Shanahan too.

extralife
12-18-2012, 09:42 PM
one HC prospect that no one seems to be talking about is Mike Zimmer. he's done good work with the Bengals for a number of years, and everyone that plays for him seems to like him a lot. he should get a shot somewhere.

SoCalBronco
12-18-2012, 09:44 PM
Chip Kelly said no to the Bucs, why would he say yes to the chefs? :welcome: Cowher wants full executive power with a coaching job. I have a feeling this is the exact reason why he's still sitting at home. Gruden ain't leaving a cushy job for kc. Sorry.

fail post is failing

There is a decent chance Chip Kelly is going to bolt this year.....the NCAA noose is tightening around Oregon's neck and their NOA from the Willie Lyles scandal should be coming out sometime in the spring.

Tombstone RJ
12-18-2012, 09:52 PM
There is a decent chance Chip Kelly is going to bolt this year.....the NCAA noose is tightening around Oregon's neck and their NOA from the Willie Lyles scandal should be coming out sometime in the spring.

I don't for a second doubt Kelly will end up in the NFL, I just seriously doubt it will be kc, but who knows? Maybe Hunt makes Kelly an offer he can't refuse?

dsmoot
12-19-2012, 06:42 AM
I'm forever grateful of the two rings.. but after John left he only drug this franchise down.. with his piss poor personnel moves.. HE was a genius initially when FA first started.. then he believed all ills of the Broncos could be fixed with it.. and it kept getting more expensive each year especially after everyone else saw what he had done to plug holes to get us those two rings..


IMO he was here 8 seasons to long.. even the play off run with Jake was fools gold, As much as I liked Jake he had very little/nothing to support him talent wise.. the OL was a joke even if they had good numbers on running the ball, when we had to have the yards inside the 20 we folded like a cheap tent, Elam was a leader in scoring in the NFL because we could not finish with TD's when we got close..

his Defenses sucked for most of his career here.. only a couple of time ranked in the top ten.. and then usually one side was strong while the other side of the D was near the bottom.. lets not even talk about ST's as we for the most part really sucked there..

sorry but I have zero love for mikey past those two rings.. Who knows with the talent we already had on the team another HC could have come in and done the same thing..

Mike Shanahan is a good head coach. He is especially good on game day and making adjustments.

The positives end when you consider his role as GM because he made high risk moves thinking he was only a couple players away from reproducing his excellent personnel moves he made in the first couple of years. As a GM, he continually backed himself into a corner against the salary cap with inferior talent and a ton of dead money. Denver was unable to really go after superior FA talent because they simply didn't have the cash. They were limited to going after guys that were either on the backside of their career or taking chances on guys that didn't really pan out with their previous team with Mike thinking he could "inspire" them to reach their potential (another fail).

Mike (the GM) was also a travesty in the draft. Took way too many chances drafting for need instead of best player available. Too much damaged goods.

Back to head coach. The Broncos were generally overachievers relative to the talent he had in the latter years. Denver's .500 record exceeded the talent. That lack of talent and character exposed itself during the repeated end of the year collapses. Even going into the AFC championship game in 2005, there was an obvious difference in talent between Denver and the elite teams in the league.

The only negative I give Mike (the coach) is his commitment to defense and the inability to select a keeper at DC that he wasn't ready to throw under the bus for the teams misfortunes. Additionally, Mike's ego became a big barrier at the end. I actually became enraged at times watching his press conferences with the attitude he projected. Agreed, his time in Denver had worn out a couple of years before his eventual departure.

I give kudos to Mike (the coach) in the way he has turned the Redskins season around this year. He is very good for RG3. Although, the Skins need to practice RG3 getting on his butt sooner.

Too many people have difficulty separating Mike the coach from Mike the GM in his Denver years. We can have the same discussion about Dan Reeves. Unfortunately, John Ralston was much better at talent evaluation than he was managing players and handling game decisions.

Punisher
12-19-2012, 06:56 AM
**** that hire Kyle Orton as HC

colonelbeef
12-20-2012, 08:34 AM
Not ready. He needs to be a part of a few deep playoff runs first imo

colonelbeef
12-20-2012, 08:40 AM
wow another poster that has to go straight to attack mode because he has nothing civil to say..

what have I said about tanahan that was wrong?

he was an excellent OC, over his head as HC Twice now, maybe even three times the jury is out in WAS, he was beyond lousy as the GM, his talent evaluations sucked to high heaven, loved to spend someone else's money, never saw a Defense he liked.. hired more coaches than most people on here can count.. fingers and toes..

won us a couple of rings past that he should have left when he was ahead, oh the one that almost everyone likes he won a lot of games..

But he lost every Playoff game after John left excpet one and THEN the next week we got our asses kicked..

did I leave anything out?


lonestar, you are one dumb mother****er. Wow.

So Mike Shanahan, who is currently 12th all time on the HC wins list, and has back to back SB wins on his resume, and is CURRENTLY in the running for coach of the year, is a 'good OC who was in over his head as a head coach' according to you.

The word stupid does not begin to describe your lack of perception, let alone intellect. Yikes.

bronco militia
12-20-2012, 08:48 AM
lonestar, you are one dumb mother****er. Wow.

So Mike Shanahan, who is currently 12th all time on the HC wins list, and has back to back SB wins on his resume, and is CURRENTLY in the running for coach of the year, is a 'good OC who was in over his head as a head coach' according to you.

The word stupid does not begin to describe your lack of perception, let alone intellect. Yikes.

:rofl:

fyi, we landed on the moon

bronco militia
12-20-2012, 08:49 AM
Article on KS. He is doing some great things and he deserves a lot of respect and head coaching attention. Kyle has really impressed

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000113501/kyle-shanahan-on-coaching-fast-track-with-redskins-malleability/

that was an excellent article

Mediator12
12-20-2012, 10:41 AM
Article on KS. He is doing some great things and he deserves a lot of respect and head coaching attention. Kyle has really impressed

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000113501/kyle-shanahan-on-coaching-fast-track-with-redskins-malleability/

But But, McCoy sucks because he was able to do the same thing in DEN with NO OTA's and a midseason switch :welcome:

All he did was hold Tebows development back by trying to make him effective as an NFL player! Kyle should get no credit because he is holding RGIII back :notworthy