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mwill07
10-30-2012, 08:41 PM
link (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2012/week-8-dvoa-ratings)

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Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams. We all know the Broncos' defense has improved this year, but top five is a bit of a shock. However, this is where the strength of schedule issue really comes in. The Broncos have played the toughest set of opposing offenses so far, including five games against teams in the top 10 of offensive DVOA. And things are about to get much, much easier for the Broncos. Denver has the easiest remaining schedule in the league by a huge margin. Their average opponent remaining has a DVOA of -17.7%. Oakland is next at -8.8%. The average offense left on the Denver schedule has a DVOA of -11.3% (ranked 32nd) and the average defense left has a DVOA of 6.8% (ranked 30th, ahead of only Miami and Houston). Denver's road back to the playoffs is now so obvious that Von Miller could even see it without his ironic horn-rimmed glasses.
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mwill07
10-30-2012, 08:44 PM
we should also mention that KC comes in dead last, oak and SD are 24th and 25th, respectively.

Drunken.Broncoholic
10-30-2012, 08:44 PM
I remember back in summertime there were a lot of us worried about this seasons schedule. Some of these games got a bit easier with how bad a lot of teams have become.

Bacchus
10-30-2012, 09:25 PM
As a Texans fan, I am very, very glad that there is not much chance of having to go back to Denver in the playoffs. I'd even possibly rather Foxborough.


Texans are worried..... as they should be.

Atwater His Ass
10-30-2012, 09:57 PM
Concern I would start to have is that if we dominate against lesser opposition down the stretch, that we may get shocked by a better team in the playoffs and get knocked out early, not being ready to deal with an above average team.

If we start a big winning streak, the media is going to be all over this team singing our praises. Hopefully the coaching staff and leaders on this team can keep everyone grounded and focused as the season progreses.

Kaylore
10-30-2012, 09:59 PM
I remember back in summertime there were a lot of us worried about this seasons schedule. Some of these games got a bit easier with how bad a lot of teams have become.

Yes but don't sleep on the Bengals, the Browns and the Buccs. All are trap games and all have B in their names.

Agamemnon
10-30-2012, 10:02 PM
Texans are worried..... as they should be.

Every team in the league should be worried with the way Manning is playing and how our defense just shut down the top passing attack in the league. If we can stop losing the turnover battle in games, we are going to be very hard to beat. I'm still wondering if that's going to happen though. Turnovers remain the one thing that could really derail what is starting to look like a serious contender.

Jetmeck
10-30-2012, 10:07 PM
Concern I would start to have is that if we dominate against lesser opposition down the stretch, that we may get shocked by a better team in the playoffs and get knocked out early, not being ready to deal with an above average team.

If we start a big winning streak, the media is going to be all over this team singing our praises. Hopefully the coaching staff and leaders on this team can keep everyone grounded and focused as the season progreses.

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Jetmeck
10-30-2012, 10:08 PM
Yes but don't sleep on the Bengals, the Browns and the Buccs. All are trap games and all have B in their names.


As in our biatches....lol I hope

BowlenBall
10-30-2012, 10:14 PM
Yes but don't sleep on the Bengals, the Browns and the Buccs. All are trap games and all have B in their names.

Good point -- surprised this isn't covered more in the media.

lonestar
10-30-2012, 10:20 PM
I remember back in summertime there were a lot of us worried about this seasons schedule. Some of these games got a bit easier with how bad a lot of teams have become.

East coast games have been our bane for decades.. in fact east of the Mississippi have not been stellar games..

While he have won a few the CIN game a few years ago was on a lucky tip of the ball..

I still am concerned about BAL although most of their stellar players are on IR, CIN HAD a potent offense last year but not much happening now.. the BUCs could be a scary game Panthers seem to be coming back and always a struggle at arrowhead..

while it looks good now things can change week to week..

I feel loads better about this team than I did during TC, I did not think the manning mind meld would happen so fast with his no huddle thought it would take a few months before it started to click.. right now looks pretty well done..

lets all knock on wood for some great games coming up..

SonOfLe-loLang
10-30-2012, 10:29 PM
Concern I would start to have is that if we dominate against lesser opposition down the stretch, that we may get shocked by a better team in the playoffs and get knocked out early, not being ready to deal with an above average team.

If we start a big winning streak, the media is going to be all over this team singing our praises. Hopefully the coaching staff and leaders on this team can keep everyone grounded and focused as the season progreses.

What a problem to have.

NFLBRONCO
10-30-2012, 10:42 PM
Concern I would start to have is that if we dominate against lesser opposition down the stretch, that we may get shocked by a better team in the playoffs and get knocked out early, not being ready to deal with an above average team.

If we start a big winning streak, the media is going to be all over this team singing our praises. Hopefully the coaching staff and leaders on this team can keep everyone grounded and focused as the season progreses.


Like Houston and NE?


Regardless whether we go 5-4 or 8-1 the rest of the way. These two teams expose our weaknesses on D the most. While I think our O will be better not sure if our D will improve enough to actually expect to beat these teams. NE has really toyed with us lately.

extralife
10-30-2012, 11:00 PM
I'm worried about Cincy and Tampa. Tampa is for real offensively right now, and Cincy has a good D line, good run D, and AJ Green

Bronco Boy
10-30-2012, 11:06 PM
Do we get some sort of trophy for attaining this ranking?

lonestar
10-30-2012, 11:08 PM
Do we get some sort of trophy for attaining this ranking?

yep the "scares the hell out of upcoming coordinators silver one"..

Agamemnon
10-30-2012, 11:17 PM
Like Houston and NE?


Regardless whether we go 5-4 or 8-1 the rest of the way. These two teams expose our weaknesses on D the most. While I think our O will be better not sure if our D will improve enough to actually expect to beat these teams. NE has really toyed with us lately.

Joe Mays isn't starting for us anymore. That goes a long way towards nullifying the weaknesses against those two teams.

BroncoMan4ever
10-30-2012, 11:44 PM
Texans are worried..... as they should be.

Denver is a scary team to play. You don't know which team will show up. Double digit leads are meaningless until the clock reads 0:00. If the offense comes out firing it is almost impossible to stop. The defense can flip a switch and go straight beast mode. And the team still has not hit it's peak; We have yet to see a complete mistake free game.

mwill07
10-31-2012, 05:59 AM
Concern I would start to have is that if we dominate against lesser opposition down the stretch, that we may get shocked by a better team in the playoffs and get knocked out early, not being ready to deal with an above average team.

If we start a big winning streak, the media is going to be all over this team singing our praises. Hopefully the coaching staff and leaders on this team can keep everyone grounded and focused as the season progreses.

I'm not really concerned about that. IMO that would be a bigger deal if this was not a team full of veterans or if it was a team w/o any playoff success.

The vast majority of players on this team have won at least one playoff game. That means quite a bit, IMO. It's not like we are the Atlanta Falcons, who have struggled in January and now have that "can't win in the playoffs" label. It's not like we are the 2011 Detroit Lions, a team who's leaders don't have any playoff experience at all.

CEH
10-31-2012, 06:02 AM
I'm worried about Cincy and Tampa. Tampa is for real offensively right now, and Cincy has a good D line, good run D, and AJ Green

Cincy loses to crappy teams and TB just lost Nicks. They now have both All Pro guards out

AJ Green can be taken out of the game then Dalton has to win in some other way

fontaine
10-31-2012, 06:24 AM
Yes but don't sleep on the Bengals, the Browns and the Buccs. All are trap games and all have B in their names.

Do you mean the Cleveland Browns or Kansas City "Browns"?

:)

Kaylore
10-31-2012, 06:36 AM
Do you mean the Cleveland Browns or Kansas City "Browns"?

:)

The Kansas City Clowns!

I actually believe winning games and going on a big run is a good thing. The parity between teams in the NFL is very close. This isn't like beating up on a big sky opponent at home and then going to Mobile to play the Crimson Tide. Historically teams that win a bunch of games against bad teams tend to win many games against good teams too, though the margin of victory isn't as big. This is because the things that win football games are universal and teams can get good at it. We just have to make sure we don't play down to an opponent, which we haven't done all year, to be honest.

Traveler
10-31-2012, 06:52 AM
I'm anxious to see if we can perform better in games starting at 1:00pm. That's been a problem for the team for quite awhile. Wonder if JF plans to have the team leave early to try and adjust to the time zone?

Old Dude
10-31-2012, 07:06 AM
Having an easy schedule and taking advantage of it are two different things.

I'd feel a lot better about it if Denver didn't have such a miserable history - going back several years now, even into the Shanahan regime - of fading down the final stretch of the regular season.

So we'll just have to wait & see.

It certainly helps that the rest of the AFC West is such a mess.

Beantown Bronco
10-31-2012, 07:16 AM
"Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams."

"Average" special teams?

Prater is the best kickoff guy in the league and is one of only four kickers who are perfect on field goals and extra points this season.

Colquitt is the #5 ranked punter in the league in net distance.

SeedReaver
10-31-2012, 07:21 AM
"Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams."

"Average" special teams?

Prater is the best kickoff guy in the league and is one of only four kickers who are perfect on field goals and extra points this season.

Colquitt is the #5 ranked punter in the league in net distance.
We may see some interesting returns as well with Holliday back there.

bowtown
10-31-2012, 07:36 AM
The Kansas City Clowns!

I actually believe winning games and going on a big run is a good thing. The parity between teams in the NFL is very close. This isn't like beating up on a big sky opponent at home and then going to Mobile to play the Crimson Tide. Historically teams that win a bunch of games against bad teams tend to win many games against good teams too, though the margin of victory isn't as big. This is because the things that win football games are universal and teams can get good at it. We just have to make sure we don't play down to an opponent, which we haven't done all year, to be honest.

I still say we split with KC.

Kaylore
10-31-2012, 07:46 AM
I still say we split with KC.

Would not shock me even a little bit for a few reasons.

1. Trap game. They can run the ball and if their defense shows up and their QB doens't turn the ball over they can be more difficult.

2. They are the last game one the schedule. If the playoff picture is decided by then, there may be no advantage risking injuries to our starters and we may mail it in the last game.

Tombstone RJ
10-31-2012, 07:48 AM
I remember back in summertime there were a lot of us worried about this seasons schedule. Some of these games got a bit easier with how bad a lot of teams have become.

I don't know how many times I have to tell people on this site that "strength of schedule" is nothing to worry about before the season starts simply because there is so much parity. That is, we get midway through the season and some of the teams who were supposed to be good suck and some of the sucky teams turn out to be good.

Examples of this: Vikings (supposed to suck but are pretty good) and Sandy Eggo (supposed to be the best in the AFCW and suck). HAPPENS-EVERY-YEAR!

just saying...

mwill07
10-31-2012, 07:56 AM
"Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams."

"Average" special teams?

Prater is the best kickoff guy in the league and is one of only four kickers who are perfect on field goals and extra points this season.

Colquitt is the #5 ranked punter in the league in net distance.

their rankings, as far as I know, are purely based on stats - what has actually happened, adjusted for quality of opponent.

When you factor in that we have had a few ST fumbles, hardly any KO returns (and a few KO returns for < 10 yards), and almost nil as far as punt returns, the fact that we show up as mediocre is pretty great.

Outside of Holiday, the only punt returner we have showing up in the stats is Leonhard, averaging 28th best 6.8 yards/return. Omar Bolden is our best KO return man, ranked 34th in the league (19.3).

ClamChowdah
10-31-2012, 08:08 AM
Try telling the Patriots and Texans that the Broncos defense is top 5, they went up and down the field.

BroncoBeavis
10-31-2012, 08:13 AM
Would not shock me even a little bit for a few reasons.

1. Trap game. They can run the ball and if their defense shows up and their QB doens't turn the ball over they can be more difficult.

2. They are the last game one the schedule. If the playoff picture is decided by then, there may be no advantage risking injuries to our starters and we may mail it in the last game.

I keep thinking about going to that game, but I'm pretty worried about them having too much sewn up by then. There's going to have to be a #2 seed in play or something before they'll let Peyton take the field in that game.

Beantown Bronco
10-31-2012, 08:21 AM
I keep thinking about going to that game, but I'm pretty worried about them having too much sewn up by then. There's going to have to be a #2 seed in play or something before they'll let Peyton take the field in that game.

I've been told that Alabama would mop the floor with KC. If we can't beat them with Twilight at QB instead of Manning, we don't deserve the #2 seed anyway.

razorwire77
10-31-2012, 08:21 AM
Sunday night's game was the first time this team played a complete football game. Manning is incredible and his ability to throw intermediate passes into tight windows with a high amount of velocity has drastically improved. Honestly, I didn't think he would regain as much arm strength as he has this season (if ever). Something I'm extremely happy to eat crow about.

As far as the Broncos being in the Superbowl, I think they can make some noise in the playoffs, but I still think they need some player upgrades in the front seven, RB and WR depth to really have SB caliber team.

I still think this is probably a 10-6 ish team right now.

BroncoBeavis
10-31-2012, 08:24 AM
I've been told that Alabama would mop the floor with KC. If we can't beat them with Twilight at QB instead of Manning, we don't deserve the #2 seed anyway.

Well to be fair, Shotgun Edward would've literally been snapped in half playing in the SEC. :)

Greatspirits
10-31-2012, 08:58 AM
I'm a little worried as well, all of sudden everybody's saying we're poised for a big run with an easier schedule ahead, sometimes it's not that easy. We'll be playing teams out of the playoffs with nothing to lose, the pressure will be on us. I just hope with Mannings experience we'll be able to overcome that.

baja
10-31-2012, 09:13 AM
We need another work horse running back to spell Willis

Maybe ball or even KM will find another level of play.

chickennob2
10-31-2012, 09:29 AM
Would not shock me even a little bit for a few reasons.

1. Trap game. They can run the ball and if their defense shows up and their QB doens't turn the ball over they can be more difficult.

2. They are the last game one the schedule. If the playoff picture is decided by then, there may be no advantage risking injuries to our starters and we may mail it in the last game.

In light of your second point... any chance we get to see a vision of the future with Brock Osweiler tearing up KC?

Kaylore
10-31-2012, 09:34 AM
In light of your second point... any chance we get to see a vision of the future with Brock Osweiler tearing up KC?

That would be good. For Brock and the Broncos.

For those hand-wringing because we are becoming favorites, this is one thing a good team has to overcome. You get a target on your back and everyone is extra prepared to come at you. This comes with success and it will be something this team has to overcome.

Would you rather we sucked?

baja
10-31-2012, 09:42 AM
That would be good. For Brock and the Broncos.

For those hand-wringing because we are becoming favorites, this is one thing a good team has to overcome. You get a target on your back and everyone is extra prepared to come at you. This comes with success and it will be something this team has to overcome.

Would you rather we sucked?

I think the high accolades are a little premature.

Rock Chalk
10-31-2012, 10:08 AM
"Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams."

"Average" special teams?

Prater is the best kickoff guy in the league and is one of only four kickers who are perfect on field goals and extra points this season.

Colquitt is the #5 ranked punter in the league in net distance.

Special teams includes coverage and return games too and muffed kick/punt returns have hampered us.

We don't average a high return on punts and Omar Boldin has screwed us far too many times by bringing it out when he should just kneel it on kickoffs.

jonny1
10-31-2012, 10:11 AM
On a side note, I did not know that eyeglasses could be ironic . . . .



Don't these people have a proofreader and/or editor?

An "iconic" editor like Perry White?

broncosteven
10-31-2012, 10:37 AM
Try telling the Patriots and Texans that the Broncos defense is top 5, they went up and down the field.

until the 2nd half at which time we made adjustments and stopped them, even got a strip sack on Brady to make the game interesting.

I like our chances when we play at least one of these teams later this year in the playoffs. Our team will be better and have gelled by then and Houston and the Cheatriots can't really surprise us anymore.

Either way this is even more fun than last year.

when I saw the schedule I figured if we could go at least 3-3 through the 1st 6 games and PM got healthy we would have a good shot at getting the division late and making the playoffs. Chuggers helped us out by their suckage and at week 7 here the Broncos are with the division lead and the easy part of the schedule up.

Doesn't hurt that DT and PM are beasting and our D is 10 times improved with Mays replaced.

errand
10-31-2012, 10:45 AM
Well to be fair, Shotgun Edward would've literally been snapped in half playing in the SEC. :)

Then again if one below 50% NFL passer can complete almost 68% of his passes in the SEC...Brock could too, correct?

errand
10-31-2012, 11:02 AM
I think the high accolades are a little premature.

I beg to differ.....we're 4-3 after playing the 4-3 Steelers, the 7-0 Falcons, 6-1 Texans, 5-3 Patriots and while their records are stellar, the highly potent offenses of the Chargers and Saints.

Regardless of how you look at it, that's a murderer's row of teams to play....and the team is obviously getting better defensively and offensively.

I think this team is on the upswing and starting to get their **** together.....

errand
10-31-2012, 11:04 AM
Try telling the Patriots and Texans that the Broncos defense is top 5, they went up and down the field.

so did we against them....and we both know that the Broncos beat themselves in those games.....

Br0nc0Buster
10-31-2012, 11:22 AM
That would be good. For Brock and the Broncos.

For those hand-wringing because we are becoming favorites, this is one thing a good team has to overcome. You get a target on your back and everyone is extra prepared to come at you. This comes with success and it will be something this team has to overcome.

Would you rather we sucked?

I think some on here actually would
The whole "If we don't win a SB with Manning this was all a giant failure" argument from a few of the tards on here suggested it is better to suck with no expectations

That is Chief fan mentality

ludo21
10-31-2012, 11:29 AM
I am with the "watch out Bengals, Bucs, Panthers, and Browns" crowd.

razorwire77
10-31-2012, 11:41 AM
I beg to differ.....we're 4-3 after playing the 4-3 Steelers, the 7-0 Falcons, 6-1 Texans, 5-3 Patriots and while their records are stellar, the highly potent offenses of the Chargers and Saints.

Regardless of how you look at it, that's a murderer's row of teams to play....and the team is obviously getting better defensively and offensively.

I think this team is on the upswing and starting to get their **** together.....

Good point. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that this team isn't on an upswing. The secondary has really solidified and the team runs 3 or 4 deep at CB beyond Champ. Since Mays has been extracted from the lineup, the team as a whole seems to attack the ball much more efficiently. Particularly sniffing out bubble screens, quick hitter draws etc. D-line depth and MLB play are still major concerns though.

Offensively this team is clicking, and Manning is all-world, but depth concerns at skill positions remain. If Willis tweaks a hammie, what happens? Hillman had a really nice game, but he's still not a guy that you're going to feed the ball to.

If Decker or Thomas get dinged, suddenly depth at WR becomes a concern.

Although all of these are relatively minor concerns when PFM is playing like PFM.

fdf
10-31-2012, 11:53 AM
"Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams."

"Average" special teams?

Prater is the best kickoff guy in the league and is one of only four kickers who are perfect on field goals and extra points this season.

Colquitt is the #5 ranked punter in the league in net distance.

I'm thinking our return game hasn't fared too well. First, a competent but slow punt returner. Second, No kickoff returns of note in the high altitude. Third, fumbles.

Comes out to "average."

Maybe our new returner can hold onto the ball. If so, he showed some VERY nice flashes on Sunday on punt returns. Not so good on his one kickoff return. Should have taken a knee.

baja
10-31-2012, 11:59 AM
I beg to differ.....we're 4-3 after playing the 4-3 Steelers, the 7-0 Falcons, 6-1 Texans, 5-3 Patriots and while their records are stellar, the highly potent offenses of the Chargers and Saints.

Regardless of how you look at it, that's a murderer's row of teams to play....and the team is obviously getting better defensively and offensively.

I think this team is on the upswing and starting to get their **** together.....


Yes on the upswing to be sure but to be the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl that's premature IMO.

RedskinBronco
10-31-2012, 12:04 PM
Yes on the upswing to be sure but to be the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl that's premature IMO.


For sure.

I will say though that I feel the Broncos have all the pieces and mainly big time players at critical positions with Manning, Miller, Dumervil

QB and pass rush are the formula IMO. The Broncos are very strong in those areas from a talent perspective and of course legend at QB.

The main ingredients are there IMO. It's all up to the team to gel and execute at the right time

Edit: forgot about the Offensive line, which as we all know is generally a staple of the Broncos.

errand
10-31-2012, 12:12 PM
Yes on the upswing to be sure but to be the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl that's premature IMO.

I think their chances are just as good as anyone elses...but then again I'm a half full glass kind of guy.

Action
10-31-2012, 12:12 PM
Keep in mind we're playing all those elite teams, all whom have been with each other for a long period of time and have continuity with their system and coaches...

Where as we had a major offensive and defensive over haul and we are trying to figure ourselves out on the fly.

Not to mention the fact that we have a QB that didn't play for a year.

baja
10-31-2012, 12:32 PM
I think their chances are just as good as anyone elses...but then again I'm a half full glass kind of guy.


I don't know why it often takes a string of posts to convey to you what seemed obviously clear in the original post.

1 Yes we are vastly improved

2 Yes we have as good a chance as anyone to win it all

3 No we should not be the favorite to win it all sitting at 4 - 3 and having lost to three other teams in the mix.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 02:00 PM
That would be good. For Brock and the Broncos.

For those hand-wringing because we are becoming favorites, this is one thing a good team has to overcome. You get a target on your back and everyone is extra prepared to come at you. This comes with success and it will be something this team has to overcome.

Would you rather we sucked?

if we can't handle the pressure of other teams getting up for us then frankly going to the playoffs is dumb.. If we can't win the games that count a lot less then you are going to get killed in the playoffs just like we have been for over a decade..

lonestar
10-31-2012, 02:03 PM
Special teams includes coverage and return games too and muffed kick/punt returns have hampered us.

We don't average a high return on punts and Omar Boldin has screwed us far too many times by bringing it out when he should just kneel it on kickoffs.

You are aware that he alone does not make that decision..

there is a guy near the goal line that normally waives it off if it is screwed..

Just maybe it is not just Omar.. IIRC he had a 105 yarder this year..

ZONA
10-31-2012, 03:41 PM
Like Houston and NE?


Regardless whether we go 5-4 or 8-1 the rest of the way. These two teams expose our weaknesses on D the most. While I think our O will be better not sure if our D will improve enough to actually expect to beat these teams. NE has really toyed with us lately.

You are forgetting the Mays factor. Things should be better next time.

cutthemdown
10-31-2012, 04:05 PM
The way Brady has carved us up last 2 yrs I'm not convinced we can stop them.

errand
10-31-2012, 04:29 PM
I don't know why it often takes a string of posts to convey to you what seemed obviously clear in the original post.

1 Yes we are vastly improved

2 Yes we have as good a chance as anyone to win it all

3 No we should not be the favorite to win it all sitting at 4 - 3 and having lost to three other teams in the mix.

I clearly understand your stance dude....you evidently don't understand mine.

errand
10-31-2012, 04:31 PM
The way Brady has carved us up last 2 yrs I'm not convinced we can stop them.

The last three times we played them how many times did we turn the ball over?

Point being is that if this team plays up to it's potential we can and will beat the Patriots.....just because we haven't doesn't mean we can't.

baja
10-31-2012, 04:32 PM
I clearly understand your stance dude....you evidently don't understand mine.


Maybe. Tell me what it is.

Rock Chalk
10-31-2012, 04:33 PM
You are aware that he alone does not make that decision..

there is a guy near the goal line that normally waives it off if it is screwed..

Just maybe it is not just Omar.. IIRC he had a 105 yarder this year..

You are aware that the returner himself has to make that decision right ****tard?

And you should also be aware that that 103 yard return was in the 4th pre-season game largely against players not in the NFL.

Denver is 31st in the league in kickoff return average at 18 yards. Out of 32 teams. Being middle of the road at 16th in punt return yards.

To be fair to Bolden, his own average is slightly higher than the team average at 19.28. There are 29 other teams that have better kickoff return averages than Bolden.

So no, he should never EVER bring it out of the end zone. He's not very good at it.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 04:44 PM
You are aware that the returner himself has to make that decision right ****tard?

And you should also be aware that that 103 yard return was in the 4th pre-season game largely against players not in the NFL.

Denver is 31st in the league in kickoff return average at 18 yards. Out of 32 teams. Being middle of the road at 16th in punt return yards.

To be fair to Bolden, his own average is slightly higher than the team average at 19.28. There are 29 other teams that have better kickoff return averages than Bolden.

So no, he should never EVER bring it out of the end zone. He's not very good at it.

Just when I think posters are civil you pull the **** out of you pockets.

As I said he has folks in front of him to waive him off if they think he should not run it out.
Yes it is ulitmately his decision, in any of the returns I saw him override the guy in front of him and run it out because of his own decision.

If his coaches did not want him running it back and had confidence in him someone else would be there. so if you want to whine about something place the blame where it should be on Fox and his ST coach.

Wow Some people's kids. You got caught with a whiny post and are not man enough to own up to it.

That or you do not have a clue. Staring to sound like the latter.

errand
10-31-2012, 04:47 PM
Maybe. Tell me what it is.

It's called optimism....having faith...and watching the way this team is starting to gel. You act as if you're scared to be considered one of the NFL's elite teams for fear they don't win the SB.

Keep in mind I have no idea how knowledgeable they truly are...but the accolades this team is getting now is due to alleged analysts watching game film and coming to the conclusion that these Broncos can win it all.

We've played a murderer's row of tough opponents.....Steelers, Texans, Falcons, Patriots, Raiders, Chargers, and Saints....where even the ones with poor w-l records aren't pushovers by any means.....and yes we lost 3 of them, but we were very competitive in them...

I'd argue that we beat ourselves in those 3 losses...not to mention we made a couple of pretty good QBs look pretty bad too. Sure we're 4-3...but (a few mental mistakes on our part) we could just as easily be 7-0 or 6-1 right? I'm willing to bet the Falcons, Texans and Patriots sighed a collective sigh of relief that we shot ourselves in the foot in those losses and do not want to see us again.

Our schedule favors us getting a home playoff game, and depending on how the other teams do, maybe we steal homefield throughout....we should be considered the favorite to at least make the SB if not win it.

DomCasual
10-31-2012, 04:59 PM
Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams. We all know the Broncos' defense has improved this year, but top five is a bit of a shock. However, this is where the strength of schedule issue really comes in. The Broncos have played the toughest set of opposing offenses so far, including five games against teams in the top 10 of offensive DVOA. And things are about to get much, much easier for the Broncos. Denver has the easiest remaining schedule in the league by a huge margin. Their average opponent remaining has a DVOA of -17.7%. Oakland is next at -8.8%. The average offense left on the Denver schedule has a DVOA of -11.3% (ranked 32nd) and the average defense left has a DVOA of 6.8% (ranked 30th, ahead of only Miami and Houston). Denver's road back to the playoffs is now so obvious that Von Miller could even see it without his ironic horn-rimmed glasses.

Did he mean to say "iconic horn-rimmed glasses?" I know this is probably fairly trivial, but what is "ironic" about Von Miller's glasses? ???

SonOfLe-loLang
10-31-2012, 05:18 PM
Did he mean to say "iconic horn-rimmed glasses?" I know this is probably fairly trivial, but what is "ironic" about Von Miller's glasses? ???

Cuz they are nerdy and he's a jock.

errand
10-31-2012, 05:22 PM
Good read...makes me laugh at those who thought signing Manning was a huge mistake or waste of money....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000088186/article/peyton-manning-deftly-directs-explosive-denver-broncos-offense

NFLBRONCO
10-31-2012, 08:16 PM
Some wanted to pay same money to overrated Mario Williams instead. Glad our FO made the correct choice.

Atwater His Ass
10-31-2012, 09:11 PM
Hindsight is 20/20. Manning was a huge unknown coming into the season; could have went either way. Nobody knew if he'd be able to perform or not. Just because it's working out doesn't mean Elway has a crystal ball or something.

If Manning's health wouldn't have been an issue, there would have been a lot more teams lined up to sign him. Lucky for us.

baja
10-31-2012, 09:22 PM
It's called optimism....having faith...and watching the way this team is starting to gel. You act as if you're scared to be considered one of the NFL's elite teams for fear they don't win the SB.

Keep in mind I have no idea how knowledgeable they truly are...but the accolades this team is getting now is due to alleged analysts watching game film and coming to the conclusion that these Broncos can win it all.

We've played a murderer's row of tough opponents.....Steelers, Texans, Falcons, Patriots, Raiders, Chargers, and Saints....where even the ones with poor w-l records aren't pushovers by any means.....and yes we lost 3 of them, but we were very competitive in them...

I'd argue that we beat ourselves in those 3 losses...not to mention we made a couple of pretty good QBs look pretty bad too. Sure we're 4-3...but (a few mental mistakes on our part) we could just as easily be 7-0 or 6-1 right? I'm willing to bet the Falcons, Texans and Patriots sighed a collective sigh of relief that we shot ourselves in the foot in those losses and do not want to see us again.

Our schedule favors us getting a home playoff game, and depending on how the other teams do, maybe we steal homefield throughout....we should be considered the favorite to at least make the SB if not win it.

Well let me take this opportunity to gloat about my super fandom too.....

baja
10-31-2012, 09:43 PM
It's called optimism....having faith...and watching the way this team is starting to gel. You act as if you're scared to be considered one of the NFL's elite teams for fear they don't win the SB.

Keep in mind I have no idea how knowledgeable they truly are...but the accolades this team is getting now is due to alleged analysts watching game film and coming to the conclusion that these Broncos can win it all.

We've played a murderer's row of tough opponents.....Steelers, Texans, Falcons, Patriots, Raiders, Chargers, and Saints....where even the ones with poor w-l records aren't pushovers by any means.....and yes we lost 3 of them, but we were very competitive in them...

I'd argue that we beat ourselves in those 3 losses...not to mention we made a couple of pretty good QBs look pretty bad too. Sure we're 4-3...but (a few mental mistakes on our part) we could just as easily be 7-0 or 6-1 right? I'm willing to bet the Falcons, Texans and Patriots sighed a collective sigh of relief that we shot ourselves in the foot in those losses and do not want to see us again.

Our schedule favors us getting a home playoff game, and depending on how the other teams do, maybe we steal homefield throughout....we should be considered the favorite to at least make the SB if not win it.

I hear ya. Following the Broncos is fun again. Pinch me. We are really good.

CEH
11-01-2012, 05:18 AM
The thing the pissed me off in the offseason were the clueless posters (er Teboners er that Ammegon guy for sure)) who called our Oline crappy. Couldn't have been further from the truth

Just look at that group now. Gelling and dominating

Rock Chalk
11-01-2012, 05:32 AM
Im a whiner because I just proved to you that Bolden should never run it out? You think Payton likes starting at the 12, 13, 14 yard line everytime that moron "returns a kick"?

31st in the ****ing league in kickoff returns and you are defending that idiot.
Just when I think posters are civil you pull the **** out of you pockets.

As I said he has folks in front of him to waive him off if they think he should not run it out.
Yes it is ulitmately his decision, in any of the returns I saw him override the guy in front of him and run it out because of his own decision.

If his coaches did not want him running it back and had confidence in him someone else would be there. so if you want to whine about something place the blame where it should be on Fox and his ST coach.

Wow Some people's kids. You got caught with a whiny post and are not man enough to own up to it.

That or you do not have a clue. Staring to sound like the latter.

CEH
11-01-2012, 05:40 AM
Im a whiner because I just proved to you that Bolden should never run it out? You think Payton likes starting at the 12, 13, 14 yard line everytime that moron "returns a kick"?

31st in the ****ing league in kickoff returns and you are defending that idiot.

Yes I hated this when it happen. Denver had to use an extra 3 plays just to get back to the 20.

Omar got an earful from the ST coach as he came off the field

Unacceptable when your offense is on fire

BroncoBeavis
11-01-2012, 05:51 AM
The thing the pissed me off in the offseason were the clueless posters (er Teboners er that Ammegon guy for sure)) who called our Oline crappy. Couldn't have been further from the truth

Just look at that group now. Gelling and dominating

Amazing how much a 4-3 record and a nice game against the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL proves to some people.

Against strong fronts our run game doesn't exist. Go back to those game threads and remind yourself how everyone b****ed about us running on 3rd and short because of how well it worked out.

Beantown Bronco
11-01-2012, 06:41 AM
I'm thinking our return game hasn't fared too well. First, a competent but slow punt returner. Second, No kickoff returns of note in the high altitude. Third, fumbles.

Comes out to "average."


Kickoffs - #1 in the league
Punting - top 5 in the league
Field Goals - perfect so far on the year
Punt returns - 16th in the NFL
Kick returns - 31st in the NFL

3 categories at the top of the league
1 at the bottom
1 average

Not to belabor the point, but that's got to merit at least an "above average" ranking IMO, even with a fumble on the stat line.

bowtown
11-01-2012, 07:03 AM
Amazing how much a 4-3 record and a nice game against the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL proves to some people.


And it's amazing how much it pisses you off.

BroncoBeavis
11-01-2012, 07:25 AM
And it's amazing how much it pisses you off.

Almost like an Ortonite after the Vikings game last year, amirite? LOL

Anyway, I'm not pissed. But I don't have Alzheimers. Willis, for example, has 13 rushes for 15 yards on 3rd down. Think about that.

Not exactly a hallmark of O-Line dominance. We're not cramming the ball down any throats. Unless maybe it's against the second worst rush defense in the league.

Rock Chalk
11-01-2012, 10:04 AM
Almost like an Ortonite after the Vikings game last year, amirite? LOL

Anyway, I'm not pissed. But I don't have Alzheimers. Willis, for example, has 13 rushes for 15 yards on 3rd down. Think about that.

Not exactly a hallmark of O-Line dominance. We're not cramming the ball down any throats. Unless maybe it's against the second worst rush defense in the league.

McGahee has a 64% success rate on runs.

What is a success? Gaining at least half the yards to a first down, or a first down on third down. Why is this significant? It's the highest success rate in the league with RBs having 64+ rushing attempts.

DENVERDUI55
11-01-2012, 10:14 AM
Amazing how much a 4-3 record and a nice game against the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL proves to some people.

Against strong fronts our run game doesn't exist. Go back to those game threads and remind yourself how everyone b****ed about us running on 3rd and short because of how well it worked out.

Manning is just killing all of your hopes and dreams about Tebow and showing you how bad of a QB he really is.

BroncoBeavis
11-01-2012, 10:36 AM
McGahee has a 64% success rate on runs.

What is a success? Gaining at least half the yards to a first down, or a first down on third down. Why is this significant? It's the highest success rate in the league with RBs having 64+ rushing attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6359/situational

Not sure where you get your numbers... but not a single rushing conversion on 3rd and short. 10 attempts. 13 yards. 0 first downs.

On all 3rd downs overall for Willis, he has 13 carries and 2 first downs, for a 15% conversion rate. Which, from what I heard last year is incomprehensibly bad.

It's nice he gets a few yards on 1st or 2nd down when defenses are worried about stopping a HOF QB. But when this team NEEDS yards on the ground, it routinely can't get them.

Not that it matters that much. Peyton's the man. He should be given the ball when we need a play. But our OL is still a big question mark, especially running the ball.

broncosteven
11-01-2012, 10:40 AM
"Both Denver and San Francisco now rank in the top five for both offense and defense, with roughly average special teams."

"Average" special teams?

Prater is the best kickoff guy in the league and is one of only four kickers who are perfect on field goals and extra points this season.

Colquitt is the #5 ranked punter in the league in net distance.

Plus our ST coverage has been very good recently! I used to swear I heard Benny Hill music when I watched our K or P coverages back in the last years of Shanny through mCd.