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v2micca
10-30-2012, 07:19 AM
But it seems that he is the first and thus far only talking head to acknowledge and discuss that this is the first time Peyton has played with two big receivers who can just go up and get the ball. I know its a couple of months behind everyone here at the mane, but at least someone in the mainstream media is finally giving the Denver receiving corps some credit for Manning's success.

Archer81
10-30-2012, 08:09 AM
He's actually been on that one for awhile. I remember a discussion on NFLN where Irvin got excited (and thus impossible to understand) but the gist was that Manning with a 6'3 Decker and a 6'3 Thomas outside? It would be new for Manning to have that type of size outside, and when the offense gelled would be awesome to watch.

:Broncos:

BroncoBeavis
10-30-2012, 08:27 AM
But it seems that he is the first and thus far only talking head to acknowledge and discuss that this is the first time Peyton has played with two big receivers who can just go up and get the ball. I know its a couple of months behind everyone here at the mane, but at least someone in the mainstream media is finally giving the Denver receiving corps some credit for Manning's success.

We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

v2micca
10-30-2012, 09:01 AM
We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

We are. Decker's limitations appear to be related to youth and focus at this time. Don't let those short-coming cause you to discount his very real physical abilities. I remember after the Pittsburg game, I heard some Steelers fans complaining that the Steelers D wasn't trying to jam the Broncos receivers off the line to disrupt Peyton's timing routes. The fact is, it is hard for most DBs to jam 6'3" 220+ lbs receivers. Both of these guys have a long way to go. But both will be hard to jam off the line, and both can use their bodies to box out or go over a defender for a pass.

edog24
10-30-2012, 09:04 AM
Decker plays more like he's 5'10"

NUB
10-30-2012, 09:12 AM
Decker doesn't play to his size, but Thomas does. Also, there's something to be said about route running -- that I think they're still both weak at. Marvin Harrison was one of the best route runners of all time, and Reggie Wayne is up there too. It's a little early to compare Thomas/Decker to that sort of talent at this point in their careers.

v2micca
10-30-2012, 09:29 AM
Decker doesn't play to his size, but Thomas does. Also, there's something to be said about route running -- that I think they're still both weak at. Marvin Harrison was one of the best route runners of all time, and Reggie Wayne is up there too. It's a little early to compare Thomas/Decker to that sort of talent at this point in their careers.

I'm not comparing them. I'm contrasting them. They are different players with different skill-sets. As I said, I'm excited to see Manning playing with our corps as he has not really worked with this type of receiver before in his career.

BroncoBeavis
10-30-2012, 09:36 AM
Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

v2micca
10-30-2012, 09:47 AM
Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

I think he made a decent adjustment to go up and grab 23 yard pass on the final drive of the first half. I think it was supposed to be a back-shoulder fade to the soft zone between the CB and safety. But, Manning gets clocked on the play and probably doesn't get everything into the throw (my opinion based on my observations of the pass) I think Decker does an nice job adjusting then using his size to go up and get the ball.

I'll acknowledge that Decker's vertical game is not as advanced as DT's. I still maintain that is largely a product of youth and inexperience. Manning and his receivers are still developing a rapport. Eventually, they are going to start hitting jump ball drills hard. When that happens (possibly sometime next year) the Broncos are going to own NFL highlights.

swaiy
10-30-2012, 09:50 AM
Decker made someone look pretty foolish in the Saints game when he got wide open. I hope he does more of that.

pricejj
10-30-2012, 09:50 AM
Both Decker and Thomas are on pace for about 90 catches this year...which is pretty damn good.

I am pretty sure Decker still leads the league in drops, but Manning's completion percentage is near his all-time high...so that is becoming less of a concern.

Tombstone RJ
10-30-2012, 09:50 AM
Looks like Green is gonna make an impact too. I hope Manning keeps throwing the ball to this young TE.

v2micca
10-30-2012, 10:00 AM
Both Decker and Thomas are on pace for about 90 catches this year...which is pretty damn good.

I am pretty sure Decker still leads the league in drops, but Manning's completion percentage is near his all-time high...so that is becoming less of a concern.

Actually, Doug Martin, Jimmy Graham, Dez Bryant, Victor Cruz, and Jason Witten all have more drops then him right now. And he is tied with 6 other players. So yeah, not ideal. But not a deal breaker either.

Drunken.Broncoholic
10-30-2012, 10:19 AM
Decker is just a tad bit raw. He's got the talent and makes great plays for us, but it seems every game there's a big downfield pass that goes right through Deckers wheelhouse. In slow motion it always shows him trying to catch the ball after it goes through his gaping arms.



On Irvin, Tom Jackson called him retarded on live TV. And I share that sentiment

v2micca
11-04-2012, 02:14 PM
I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

BroncoBeavis
11-04-2012, 07:44 PM
Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

I was stuck listening to this one on the radio so I didn't get to see. Decker came up huge this game no doubt though.

swaiy
11-04-2012, 07:50 PM
Decker is just a tad bit raw. He's got the talent and makes great plays for us, but it seems every game there's a big downfield pass that goes right through Deckers wheelhouse. In slow motion it always shows him trying to catch the ball after it goes through his gaping arms.



On Irvin, Tom Jackson called him retarded on live TV. And I share that sentiment

Maybe he is used to having a bigger surface area to work with (ie: sideways ball flying through the air)?

theAPAOps5
11-04-2012, 07:57 PM
Just pointing out that Decker climbed the ladder to grad that final touchdown that helped seal the game for us. Like I said, maturity and inexperience. At this stage, both are easy to correct.

Both of them have grown leaps and bounds since the start of the season. Very impressed with them, and I was uber critical in the beginning.

Demaryius Thomas ran two beautiful routes today that while they weren't sexy and only amounted for 5 or 6 yards were huge. They were both on third down and he ran his route exactly to the yardage needed and got himself open for a split second and gave Manning just enough time to get the ball in.

Those were impressive.

Decker was also impressive on the TD and in a couple of plays where he gained some good yards after the catch.

They have come a long way!

Kaylore
11-04-2012, 08:12 PM
Decker has four tds in the last two games.

BroncoMan4ever
11-04-2012, 08:23 PM
We're not talking about Decker as one of the two are we?

46 receptions, 583 yards, 7 TD

I say only an idiot wouldn't count Decker. And he is getting better every week. He doesn't have the athleticism of DT, but realistically there are maybe 10 guys in the league that have that size,speed/ability combination that DT has.

BroncoMan4ever
11-04-2012, 08:28 PM
Decker has four tds in the last two games.

And at least 1 in each of the last 5

BroncoBeavis
11-05-2012, 06:21 AM
46 receptions, 583 yards, 7 TD

I say only an idiot wouldn't count Decker. And he is getting better every week. He doesn't have the athleticism of DT, but realistically there are maybe 10 guys in the league that have that size,speed/ability combination that DT has.

Everyone has their weaknesses. Yours just happens to be reading comprehension.

cmhargrove
11-05-2012, 07:13 AM
I don't know how anyone could say Decker doesn't play "up to his size." He powered a run into the end zone yesterday, and don't forget the San Diego game where he shoved through three defenders the last few yards to paydirt.

These guys have kind of been stunted so far in Denver, and they are both growing into their roles. It's also so nice to have Stokley to help take the pressure off them and teach them how to be professionals.

fwf
11-05-2012, 07:33 AM
We had a few drops yesterday and I'm not sure who gets the blame for the endzone pick, but as far as ability and toughness, I think our young WR's have proven themselves the last 2 months. There were question marks, but no more.

It was clearly a smart move by Elway to bring in the veterans Stokley and Tamme to help with Deck and Dt's maturation too. Guys who understand how to play with Manning and the work that needs to be put in. Stok is a great compliment.

It's just too bad we cant really make our offense more potent, by incorporating screen passes considering Mcgahee is slowing down.

If I were Fox, at this point, I would be holding McGahee out of practice to try and do anything to save his legs for the stretch run.

v2micca
11-05-2012, 08:14 AM
We had a few drops yesterday and I'm not sure who gets the blame for the endzone pick,


You know, I'm not sure if you can really blame anyone one Bronco on that interception. Sometimes, you just have to tip your cap to the defender for making a play. Newman quickly recognized the route and just beats Decker to the spot. Its not like Decker doesn't fight him for the position, he does. But Newman just had better leverage on this one. About all he really could have done was try to get his hands up and bat the ball away. Unfortunately, Peyton was leading him inside on that pass.

v2micca
11-05-2012, 08:21 AM
The one complaint I will make about Decker is that he needs to learn to read his blocks better. There was that big catch and run he had right around the 13 minute mark of the 4th quarter. I swear Stokley has his man stood up and Decker still some how manages to run right into them.

BroncoBeavis
11-05-2012, 08:23 AM
I don't know how anyone could say Decker doesn't play "up to his size." He powered a run into the end zone yesterday, and don't forget the San Diego game where he shoved through three defenders the last few yards to paydirt.

These guys have kind of been stunted so far in Denver, and they are both growing into their roles. It's also so nice to have Stokley to help take the pressure off them and teach them how to be professionals.

Pushing people into the end zone isn't usually what's thought of when talking about WRs taking advantage of their size. Its about using your height advantage against typically shorter dbs to go up and make a play that wouldn't otherwise be made. I never said Eric couldn't do better. All I said was up until recently this was probably the biggest weakness in his game (For a guy with good height and decent hops)

scorpio
11-05-2012, 08:33 AM
The one complaint I will make about Decker is that he needs to learn to read his blocks better. There was that big catch and run he had right around the 13 minute mark of the 4th quarter. I swear Stokley has his man stood up and Decker still some how manages to run right into them.

He didn't just run into them, he laid Stokely out. It looked like an Atwater hit.

Anikai
11-05-2012, 12:46 PM
I was in the kitchen and thought I heard what sounded like Pro Wrestling coming out of the living room, to my dissapointment it was just Sapp & Irvin arguing about Sanchez on NFL network

gunns
11-05-2012, 12:57 PM
Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.

You were one of the ones ragging on Rod Smith in his first few years weren't ya.

Elway 4 Life
11-05-2012, 01:01 PM
He didn't just run into them, he laid Stokely out. It looked like an Atwater hit.

Lol. Thought the same thing.

Kaylore
11-05-2012, 01:01 PM
I was in the kitchen and thought I heard what sounded like Pro Wrestling coming out of the living room, to my dissapointment it was just Sapp & Irvin arguing about Sanchez on NFL network

LOL

BroncoBeavis
11-05-2012, 01:09 PM
You were one of the ones ragging on Rod Smith in his first few years weren't ya.

Was Rod Smith a big receiver who dominated db's when he went up for a ball?

Jetmeck
11-05-2012, 01:26 PM
Decker has his strengths. But his instincts when he leaves his feet aren't one of them. He whiffed on another one Sunday that I'm pretty sure DT (or any top-notch jump ball WR) would've made at least a decent play on.

I think Decker's made some decent grabs, but I can't recall a single one where he really went up and used his size to any effect.


Exactly

bronco militia
11-05-2012, 01:48 PM
Stokely was pushed into Decker

WolfpackGuy
11-05-2012, 01:54 PM
The one complaint I will make about Decker is that he needs to learn to read his blocks better. There was that big catch and run he had right around the 13 minute mark of the 4th quarter. I swear Stokley has his man stood up and Decker still some how manages to run right into them.

Yeah, we were laughing about that when he steamrolled them.

He could've just went to the outside and picked up at least 10 more yards.

Decker had a whiff on a TD catch in last week's game.