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Kaylore
10-28-2012, 09:42 PM
He is also on pace to average more sacks, twice as many passes defensed, and more forced fumbles.

baja
10-28-2012, 09:43 PM
Dj still leads in DUIs

g6matty
10-28-2012, 09:45 PM
woodyard also averages more yards being dragged while tackling

Archer81
10-28-2012, 09:45 PM
Bye, DJ.


:Broncos:

Kaylore
10-28-2012, 09:45 PM
Dj still leads in DUIs

He is definitely still setting franchise records for idiocy, true.

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 09:47 PM
Didn't you hear, we are a LB away from being totally awesome, OMGBBQ

Vegas_Bronco
10-28-2012, 09:52 PM
It was in the 3rd quarter = loli garbage time...

He did have a decent game but NO was off tonight.

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 09:56 PM
NO was off because of Denver. The D was damn good today, it wasn't that NO sucked.

Oh and this thread would be so much better if Requiem wasn't banned.

NFLBRONCO
10-28-2012, 09:58 PM
NO was off because of Denver. The D was damn good today, it wasn't that NO sucked.

Oh and this thread would be so much better if Requiem wasn't banned.

Why did he get banned?

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 10:01 PM
Why did he get banned?

I don't know. I only just now noticed as I opened to page one of the "Don't you wish we had DJ now" thread. Didn't see anything horrible in has past 5 or 6 posts.

lonestar
10-28-2012, 10:03 PM
woodyard also averages more yards being dragged while tackling

I doubt that very much. Dj was the queen of drag down tackles.

broncocalijohn
10-28-2012, 10:05 PM
I don't know. I only just now noticed as I opened to page one of the "Don't you wish we had DJ now" thread. Didn't see anything horrible in has past 5 or 6 posts.

It is the GREAT Woodyard Effect. Champagne Powder got banned again like clockwork. Not sure why KCDud got to stick around with wishing Pioli be shot Kennedy style from a Denver fan. He still hasn't learned from his ill post about Aurora and Columbine.

Vegas_Bronco
10-28-2012, 10:06 PM
Sprouls would have had his way with DJ...just like he always has. Im glad we played well as a defense but Brees had a horrible night which made us look even better.

lonestar
10-28-2012, 10:07 PM
NO was off because of Denver. The D was damn good today, it wasn't that NO sucked.

Oh and this thread would be so much better if Requiem wasn't banned.

So glad that punk is. Sorry but his bromance with DJ is over the top.

As for NOL. Their O is great and to have this kind of performance tonight is scary.

If they can continue in CIN next week maybe wil can truly say that we have arrived. And the past couple of weeks is not an abboration.

Kaylore
10-28-2012, 10:08 PM
Sprouls would have had his way with DJ...just like he always has. Im glad we played well as a defense but Brees had a horrible night which made us look even better.

<img src="http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15709&stc=1&d=1147936819">

So Brees played bad, just because, and the Broncos defense just happened to luck into one of Brees' off nights...

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 10:08 PM
It is the GREAT Woodyard Effect. Champagne Powder got banned again like clockwork. Not sure why KCDud got to stick around with wishing Pioli be shot Kennedy style from a Denver fan. He still hasn't learned from his ill post about Aurora and Columbine.

Wait when did Champagne Power get banned. He was neg repping me left and right for using pictures from last year in the game thread. I fixed them just for him and had little messages for him on the mile high picture. They probably are wasted now!

Bacchus
10-28-2012, 10:12 PM
DJ will be needed and probably moved back to MLB to compete with the old Brooking.

Al Wilson
10-28-2012, 10:22 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand here comes SoCal marching

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 10:23 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand here comes SoCal marching

Dude, don't you know that Kaylore knows what he is doing. He is fishing for some SoCal! ;D

KevinJames
10-28-2012, 10:53 PM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/197304_10151297042671318_678460423_n.jpg

lonestar
10-29-2012, 12:38 AM
DJ will be needed and probably moved back to MLB to compete with the old Brooking.

So the guy that was unable to relay the calls from the sideline a few years ago and to dumb to adjust them when the O came out different than expected, is going beat out Brookings. Even though he has not played one down this year and has no working knowledge of the play book.

The only way he see the field in more than a minor relief mode is if some one goes down to injury.

Even pro bowler Vilma was not given back his MLB spot, as it would have been a slap in the face to their defense. You suppose JDR is dumber than NOL?

Even if he come back to the team instead of being cut, after week ten how long will it take him to get into game shape?

lonestar
10-29-2012, 12:52 AM
Let me add that in 7 games this year he has 61 tackles which is on pace for 140 total this year. dJs total last year was 90. And not surprisely WWs was 97 in six less games started.
How all of you that still has a bromance with him did not get that he is an overpaid moron is beyond me.

Al Wilson
10-29-2012, 01:00 AM
Danny Trevathan also looked good tonight. He has been getting more reps and playing well as of late. Great tackler and play recognition, can cover in space and track down screens. Definitely some exciting young players on this defense.

LongDongJohnson
10-29-2012, 01:56 AM
Hopefully for DJ he worked on his game somehow privately during his suspension.

I'm not talking about his pimp game or drinking game either. Because right now with Mays on the bench, Our LB's are balling.

No way he should start over Miller, Brooking, or Woodyard.

Maybe DJ can come in on certain packages when we put Miller at DE.

LongDongJohnson
10-29-2012, 01:58 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/197304_10151297042671318_678460423_n.jpg

Nice Pic!

Jack Del Rio has this defense playing as 1 unit! The defense is playing as a team. We have no selfish guys on the D. When guys play hard like that, you dont need superstars at every position.

Old Dude
10-29-2012, 03:11 AM
7 games in, Denver's D ranks in the top 10 in both fewest points and yards allowed.

Despite the schedule that had them facing offenses ranked 1, 3, 7, 8, 15, 20 & 24 in scoring.

Jetmeck
10-29-2012, 03:29 AM
Sprouls would have had his way with DJ...just like he always has. Im glad we played well as a defense but Brees had a horrible night which made us look even better.



Tight freakin coverage will do that................your avy is beyond retarded.

rbackfactory80
10-29-2012, 05:12 AM
Defense played a hell of a game. They got some push up front and weren't playing on their heels all night. Really that simple.

ColoradoDarin
10-29-2012, 08:32 AM
DJ should play special teams with Mays.

broncosteven
10-29-2012, 08:36 AM
Sprouls would have had his way with DJ...just like he always has. Im glad we played well as a defense but Brees had a horrible night which made us look even better.

Sproles had his way with Woodyard on the 1st TD. Woodyard was responsible for that under zone and was late to see Sproles then let him run right by.

I would still take DJ until we can draft or sign someone better.

TheReverend
10-29-2012, 08:42 AM
I'm quite honestly not certain DJ deserves to beat out Trevathan after his performance in passing downs last night.

baja
10-29-2012, 09:07 AM
Trevathan was very impressive in coverage. I wonder how many passes he defended?

socalorado
10-29-2012, 09:23 AM
I'm quite honestly not certain DJ deserves to beat out Trevathan after his performance in passing downs last night.

Ditto.
These young kids are just freakin in the zone, and playing focused and with aggression.
I say keep DJ for depth, and ST's, then trade him in the offseason.
Then move up in the draft and get Te'o to take over at MLB.
I think DJ would command a 3rd or 4th round pick.

lonestar
10-29-2012, 10:16 AM
Sproles had his way with Woodyard on the 1st TD. Woodyard was responsible for that under zone and was late to see Sproles then let him run right by.

I would still take DJ until we can draft or sign someone better.

name a team that sproles has not kicked their ass.. in fact IIRC he did that to DJ all the time in they played each other..

lonestar
10-29-2012, 10:21 AM
Ditto.
These young kids are just freakin in the zone, and playing focused and with aggression.
I say keep DJ for depth, and ST's, then trade him in the offseason.
Then move up in the draft and get Te'o to take over at MLB.
I think DJ would command a 3rd or 4th round pick.

as much as I used to like the dumb ass, I do nto see him worth even that.. he has a really bad record and everyone that has played him knows that he is a drag down tacklers usually after the first down has been made.. he is not a TFL kind of guy and up to a few years ago was not a sacker either which IMO is surprising as hell with the speed he has..

unless he comes on gang busters the rest ot the year when he finally does get back with teh club he will not be worth squat.. and teh way the youngins are playing the likeley hood of him getting on teh field is slim..

IMO they cut him instead of cutting someone else to make room for his sorry ass and they save a bunch of money in the process that is if they do not trade him by tomorrow night..

mr007
10-29-2012, 11:05 AM
I don't get why some people are saying we would cut Dj.. when he gets back, he will probably have a significant role and likely be starting within a short time. He is better than any LB we have fielded this year with the exception of WW. Yeah, he's an idiot with his mistakes off field, but I seriously doubt he will be just spelling people come week 11 - he'll be out there and he will make our D better.

Rock Chalk
10-29-2012, 11:22 AM
I don't get why some people are saying we would cut Dj.. when he gets back, he will probably have a significant role and likely be starting within a short time. He is better than any LB we have fielded this year with the exception of WW. Yeah, he's an idiot with his mistakes off field, but I seriously doubt he will be just spelling people come week 11 - he'll be out there and he will make our D better.

Ahem, Von Miller says hi

DivineLegion
10-29-2012, 11:25 AM
Was Woodyards green dot indicative of him receiving calls for the D or Special teams? If he's calling the plays, they could give Brooking a break and stick Wes in the middle. He's about the same size as John Beason.

socalorado
10-29-2012, 11:33 AM
Was Woodyards green dot indicative of him receiving calls for the D or Special teams? If he's calling the plays, they could give Brooking a break and stick Wes in the middle. He's about the same size as John Beason.

No dude. WW is not a MLB. He just is not big/physical enough to make the tackles in the scrum. He would get washed out of too many plays.

DENVERDUI55
10-29-2012, 11:45 AM
People act like DJ is this awesome coverage guy. He is average at best which is more than most of the guys on our roster. I don't see him replacing WW and Danny T played great last night.

DivineLegion
10-29-2012, 12:35 PM
No dude. WW is not a MLB. He just is not big/physical enough to make the tackles in the scrum. He would get washed out of too many plays.

6' 235 Jon Beason

6' 229 Wesley Woodyard


Does 6 pounds matter that much?

lonestar
10-29-2012, 01:03 PM
I don't get why some people are saying we would cut Dj.. when he gets back, he will probably have a significant role and likely be starting within a short time. He is better than any LB we have fielded this year with the exception of WW. Yeah, he's an idiot with his mistakes off field, but I seriously doubt he will be just spelling people come week 11 - he'll be out there and he will make our D better.

So dj is better than miller also?

Not seeing that dumb ass beat anyone out for playing time.

If you have missed it WW outplayed his expensive ass last year stat wise with starting 6 less games than dumb ass did. .

Got to let go of your bromance with him. For the money he is making he should be making TFL in each game, stopping them for no gain. But he does not he is a drag down tackler usually after a good gain if not the first down.

lonestar
10-29-2012, 01:09 PM
Ahem, Von Miller says hi

:thumbs:

Brookings is better at mike than dumb ass would be or was when he played it.

Not sure what his job function would be other than maybe water guy at this point.

Fox and JDR would be crazy to let him play in front of the guys that are getting the job done. That would be a huge slap in the face to the starters not even talking about the rest of the team.

The moron let them down three times we know about in the past year. DUI, piss test, and the the play book FUBAR in the spring.

lonestar
10-29-2012, 01:11 PM
People act like DJ is this awesome coverage guy. He is average at best which is more than most of the guys on our roster. I don't see him replacing WW and Danny T played great last night.

:thumbs:

The clown led the team in tackles for a few years. BFD most of which were for positive yards double BFD.

Popps
10-29-2012, 01:17 PM
I've always been a Woodyard fan. I've thought we were as good or better than with our old WSLB out there.

I believe he's signed through next year. I wouldn't mind seeing them extend that by a year or two.

edog24
10-29-2012, 01:18 PM
Mays and Mr. DUI can go play pick up sticks in the locker room as far as I'm concerned. The unit out there last night looked good.

broncogary
10-29-2012, 02:29 PM
I don't get why some people are saying we would cut Dj.. when he gets back, he will probably have a significant role and likely be starting within a short time. He is better than any LB we have fielded this year with the exception of WW. Yeah, he's an idiot with his mistakes off field, but I seriously doubt he will be just spelling people come week 11 - he'll be out there and he will make our D better.

You think DJ can spell "people?" ROFL!

broncogary
10-29-2012, 02:31 PM
People act like DJ is this awesome coverage guy. He is average at best which is more than most of the guys on our roster. I don't see him replacing WW and Danny T played great last night.

The next time DJ turns his head in pass coverage will be the first time.

pricejj
10-29-2012, 02:35 PM
6' 235 Jon Beason

6' 229 Wesley Woodyard


Does 6 pounds matter that much?

WW has trouble not getting washed out of running plays at WLB (see Patriots game).

Old Dude
10-29-2012, 02:36 PM
Right now, I'm not sure DJ could crack the starting lineup, but his best trait has always been his versatility. With Mays going down, we need all the depth we can get at LB.

mr007
10-29-2012, 02:37 PM
Ahem, Von Miller says hi

Yeah my bad on leaving Von Miller out - it seems he's been playing a lot more end than LB lately though but maybe it's me.

mr007
10-29-2012, 02:40 PM
So dj is better than miller also?

Not seeing that dumb ass beat anyone out for playing time.

If you have missed it WW outplayed his expensive ass last year stat wise with starting 6 less games than dumb ass did. .

Got to let go of your bromance with him. For the money he is making he should be making TFL in each game, stopping them for no gain. But he does not he is a drag down tackler usually after a good gain if not the first down.

Easy there skippy, I don't particularly like or hate Dj, but he's better than Brooking, Mays, and Trevathan at this point.

fontaine
10-29-2012, 02:44 PM
Why the HELL would you NOT have DJ on the field?

Why would you not give JDR the user of the 2nd most physically talented LBer on the roster?

With a defensive coordinator like JDR, I want to give him more upper level talent given just how much he's gotten out of some of the more limited players in our front 7. I'm not a fan of DJ given how stupid he's been off the field.

But I won't ever forget just how sh*tty our DLs have been over the years and how DJ played his part and did everything the team asked of him on the field because we couldn't draft a LBer to save our a$$.

I'd love to see what JDR can do with a fresh, healthy 245 LBer that's an experienced vet and stronger and faster than any other LBer on the team bar Von.

DivineLegion
10-29-2012, 03:03 PM
WW has trouble not getting washed out of running plays at WLB (see Patriots game).

In a starting role I have seen WW make more tackles against the run on the strong side for negative yardage, and because of that I disagree. WW has been phenomenal about mitigating blockers in the run game. The Patriots game is a totally diffrent ball game, because our defensive was getting manhandled at the LOS. I'll take your game and raise you six.

lonestar
10-29-2012, 03:41 PM
Easy there skippy, I don't particularly like or hate Dj, but he's better than Brooking, Mays, and Trevathan at this point.

mays maybe but not sure he is any better than the rest..

Brooking is calling the plays for the front seven something that DJ was unable to do when he had the MLB job, plus he does not have a clue about the playbook.. nor has he practiced with them since before TC..

Trevathan not sure I would not want to give him reps to see what he has..

pricejj
10-29-2012, 03:48 PM
In a starting role I have seen WW make more tackles against the run on the strong side for negative yardage, and because of that I disagree. WW has been phenomenal about mitigating blockers in the run game. The Patriots game is a totally diffrent ball game, because our defensive was getting manhandled at the LOS. I'll take your game and raise you six.

WW has been getting better lately, but he was getting washed out against the Texans too. In all likelihood, he will remain starter at WLB even after DJ comes back. Will be interesting to see where they play D.J.

Don't get me wrong, I love dub...but he needs to get off those blocks.

lonestar
10-29-2012, 03:53 PM
Why the HELL would you NOT have DJ on the field?

Why would you not give JDR the user of the 2nd most physically talented LBer on the roster?

With a defensive coordinator like JDR, I want to give him more upper level talent given just how much he's gotten out of some of the more limited players in our front 7. I'm not a fan of DJ given how stupid he's been off the field.

But I won't ever forget just how sh*tty our DLs have been over the years and how DJ played his part and did everything the team asked of him on the field because we couldn't draft a LBer to save our a$$.

I'd love to see what JDR can do with a fresh, healthy 245 LBer that's an experienced vet and stronger and faster than any other LBer on the team bar Von.


Dj is a dumb ass and can be expected to screw something else up soon.. If not he is no better than WW is IF you have been paying attention his numbers last year were better than DJ's were starting in 6 less games ..

That is what I see and have to believe that JDR being an ex LB will see that also..

now if he wants dumb ass on the field I have zero issues with that.. but if he starts him over the others that have been holding down the fort playing great football, while he has been partying. Well I suspect that many players will be pissed and that is not the sort of discontent you want on a team..

hell NOL coaches did not give vilma back his spot when he came back because the guys that were there were playing good ball..

He may have been a great athlete when he came out of college but since he got his new FAT contract he has shown me nothing.. In fact that WW has outplayed him does not help him..

WW is on pace for a 140+ tackle season more sacks and PD than DJ has had.. Might even have the FF lead also did not pay much attention to that..

Hey maybe DJ can make his way back onto the squad on ST's..

Plus I doubt seriously that he will be in game shape till week 12..

Rock Chalk
10-29-2012, 04:36 PM
mays maybe but not sure he is any better than the rest..

Brooking is calling the plays for the front seven something that DJ was unable to do when he had the MLB job, plus he does not have a clue about the playbook.. nor has he practiced with them since before TC..

Trevathan not sure I would not want to give him reps to see what he has..

I really hate to quote you because you are a colossal douche but this **** right here is why you dont put DJ in the middle.

We already saw what happened this season with an idiot MLB. We do not need another one trying to make the play calls for the defense.

theAPAOps5
10-29-2012, 07:02 PM
You all realize that Brooking isn't calling the plays, right? Prior to the Chargers game Woodyard took over calling and aligning the defense, thus the green dot.

Here is a tweet from Lindsay Jones prior to the start of the Chargers game updating that:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Wesley Woodyard is wearing the radio-communication helmet tonight, since Brooking has replaced Mays. Woodyard should play all 3 downs.</p>&mdash; Lindsay Jones (@bylindsayhjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/257994518891216896" data-datetime="2012-10-16T00:01:01+00:00">October 16, 2012</a></blockquote>
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One of the main issues the team had with Joe Mays was he completely blew calls and adjustments against New England. He had them completely out of alignment all day long.

TheReverend
10-29-2012, 07:06 PM
You all realize that Brooking isn't calling the plays, right? Prior to the Chargers game Woodyard took over calling and aligning the defense, thus the green dot.

Here is a tweet from Lindsay Jones prior to the start of the Chargers game updating that:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Wesley Woodyard is wearing the radio-communication helmet tonight, since Brooking has replaced Mays. Woodyard should play all 3 downs.</p>&mdash; Lindsay Jones (@bylindsayhjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/257994518891216896" data-datetime="2012-10-16T00:01:01+00:00">October 16, 2012</a></blockquote>
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One of the main issues the team had with Joe Mays was he completely blew calls and adjustments against New England. He had them completely out of alignment all day long.

Calling the plays =/= making the adjustments and line calls

Woodyard would wear the communication helmet because Brooking isn't in the nickle defense! They can't be swapping helmets every few plays bud :)

lonestar
10-29-2012, 07:18 PM
You all realize that Brooking isn't calling the plays, right? Prior to the Chargers game Woodyard took over calling and aligning the defense, thus the green dot.

Here is a tweet from Lindsay Jones prior to the start of the Chargers game updating that:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Wesley Woodyard is wearing the radio-communication helmet tonight, since Brooking has replaced Mays. Woodyard should play all 3 downs.</p>&mdash; Lindsay Jones (@bylindsayhjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/257994518891216896" data-datetime="2012-10-16T00:01:01+00:00">October 16, 2012</a></blockquote>
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One of the main issues the team had with Joe Mays was he completely blew calls and adjustments against New England. He had them completely out of alignment all day long.

yet in the game mays was suspended Brooking made all the calls..

theAPAOps5
10-29-2012, 07:19 PM
Calling the plays =/= making the adjustments and line calls

Woodyard would wear the communication helmet because Brooking isn't in the nickle defense! They can't be swapping helmets every few plays bud :)

Doh, that was a bonehead statement by me!

lonestar
10-29-2012, 07:22 PM
I really hate to quote you because you are a colossal douche but this **** right here is why you dont put DJ in the middle.

We already saw what happened this season with an idiot MLB. We do not need another one trying to make the play calls for the defense.

wow you have a real way with words what are you 15.. another internet tough guy impressed with himself..

if you do not put DJ in the middle where do you put him? at WIL where WW has been all world or at SAM sure that is going to happen in your fondest dreams..

Mays is gone for the year so your idiot comment is just that..

errand
10-29-2012, 07:27 PM
There are currently only 3 players in the NFL this season to have posted 13 tackles, one sack and a fumble forced in a game...and Woodyard is one of them (Ray Lewis and Jerrell Freeman are the others)

Also there are only 3 players who have multiple sacks and multiple INTs...and two of them are Broncos....Harris has 1.5 sacks and 2 INTs and Woodyard has 3 sacks and 2 INT's (D'Qwell Jackson is the other)

I think it's time to give the guy his due...he's better than many on here think he is despite not being of prototypical size.

errand
10-29-2012, 07:28 PM
if you do not put DJ in the middle where do you put him?

.

How about on the streets?

lonestar
10-29-2012, 07:35 PM
There are currently only 3 players in the NFL this season to have posted 13 tackles, one sack and a fumble forced in a game...and Woodyard is one of them (Ray Lewis and Jerrell Freeman are the others)

Also there are only 3 players who have multiple sacks and multiple INTs...and two of them are Broncos....Harris has 1.5 sacks and 2 INTs and Woodyard has 3 sacks and 2 INT's (D'Qwell Jackson is the other)

I think it's time to give the guy his due...he's better than many on here think he is despite not being of prototypical size.

yep he is smaller than most LBs' BFD so was Tom Jackson.. he is doing the job so far.. let him play and let moron play ST instead of starting LB..

lonestar
10-29-2012, 07:41 PM
How about on the streets?

If it were me regardless of ay more injuries I cut his ass..

he has not been special for several years.. seems once these clowns get big money they are mr party..

WWs numbers are better than his have been in less playing time and still the moron has to drink most likely do drugs or why would he be pissing non human urine.. driving drunk and then the playbook crap early this year, shows me that he is a total dummy.. has disrespected his team and owner..

If he was s superstar that his contract pays him to be, smart and kept out of trouble .. then by all means keep him.. but he is not the example you want the kiddies on the team to model themselves after..

24champ
10-29-2012, 08:48 PM
WW had a great game, he was buzzing around out there. JDR has coached him up and there's been some progression since that awful Patriots game.

Assuming DJ is fully up to speed when he is cleared to play, he should be plugged into the starting lineup since our LB depth is horrible. I see DJ-WW-Von.

BroncoMan4ever
10-29-2012, 09:25 PM
WW had a great game, he was buzzing around out there. JDR has coached him up and there's been some progression since that awful Patriots game.

Assuming DJ is fully up to speed when he is cleared to play, he should be plugged into the starting lineup since our LB depth is horrible. I see DJ-WW-Von.

The D is hitting its stride it is playing well. DJ should not walk in and get a starting spot automatically; because he doesn't deserve that respect and hasn't earned the spot. Woodyard has outplayed him at the WILL. If he can outplay Brooking and Irving at MLB then he can start, if not he can be depth AND a ST guy.

Don't fix something that isn't broken...especially not for D.U.I. Williams.

Jetmeck
10-29-2012, 11:06 PM
WW has played beter than I expected. That said LB us in desperate need of an upgrade and DJ coming back will help. Next year draft one........scratch that DRAFT A GOOD ONE......................

Nwp-Apap
10-29-2012, 11:32 PM
Our defense is playing well, garnering some top 10 ratings in a handful of statistics. One can only look forward with joyous anticipation at how good this defense will be when they get another above average player in there in two weeks.

I believe DJ will start out splitting time with Brooking, and starting as the nickel MLB with Woodyard. He will be in several packages, I'm sure. Whatever your beliefs are of him as a person, has no bearing on his talents as a football player. He knows how to play every LB position, and will do so without complaint.

He has been actively participating in film study and working with the trainers at dove valley for almost a month, so there is no question he will be in football shape. He also has the reps from training camp and owns a copy of the playbook. I'm sure the coaches have told him recently over his vacation to pay special attention to MLB. Plus. Getting into "football shape" is easy for someone with the dedication DJ has. He has never had on the field problems regarding attitude towards teammates/coaches or had laziness issues. In fact, he was voted a captain for several years, so that tells you he commands respect.

I like Brooking, and think Trevathan is going to be a very good player for us, but at this point in their careers, I'd rather DJ get the majority the reps they have been getting. I don't want to take Woodyard off the field, unless he is injured or winded or the package calls for it, and I believe he has impressed the coaching staff to that point as well, so I believe we will see DJ primarily, and often, in the middle, starting the first game he returns.

lonestar
10-30-2012, 12:05 AM
WW had a great game, he was buzzing around out there. JDR has coached him up and there's been some progression since that awful Patriots game.

Assuming DJ is fully up to speed when he is cleared to play, he should be plugged into the starting lineup since our LB depth is horrible. I see DJ-WW-Von.

let go of the bromance.. he is not that great..

lonestar
10-30-2012, 12:08 AM
The D is hitting its stride it is playing well. DJ should not walk in and get a starting spot automatically; because he doesn't deserve that respect and hasn't earned the spot. Woodyard has outplayed him at the WILL. If he can outplay Brooking and Irving at MLB then he can start, if not he can be depth AND a ST guy.

Don't fix something that isn't broken...especially not for D.U.I. Williams.

fixed that for you.

your absolutely correct if he were handed a starters spot, whatever respect JDR,Fox and John had with the team would go right down the toilet..

lonestar
10-30-2012, 12:11 AM
Our defense is playing well, garnering some top 10 ratings in a handful of statistics. One can only look forward with joyous anticipation at how good this defense will be when they get another above average player in there in two weeks.

I believe DJ will start out splitting time with Brooking, and starting as the nickel MLB with Woodyard. He will be in several packages, I'm sure. Whatever your beliefs are of him as a person, has no bearing on his talents as a football player. He knows how to play every LB position, and will do so without complaint.

He has been actively participating in film study and working with the trainers at dove valley for almost a month, so there is no question he will be in football shape. He also has the reps from training camp and owns a copy of the playbook. I'm sure the coaches have told him recently over his vacation to pay special attention to MLB. Plus. Getting into "football shape" is easy for someone with the dedication DJ has. He has never had on the field problems regarding attitude towards teammates/coaches or had laziness issues. In fact, he was voted a captain for several years, so that tells you he commands respect.

I like Brooking, and think Trevathan is going to be a very good player for us, but at this point in their careers, I'd rather DJ get the majority the reps they have been getting. I don't want to take Woodyard off the field, unless he is injured or winded or the package calls for it, and I believe he has impressed the coaching staff to that point as well, so I believe we will see DJ primarily, and often, in the middle, starting the first game he returns.

oh brother are you serious. or are you writing fiction..

obviously you have not been reading any of the Woodyard threads..

that or you are DUI Williams or his bromance..

24champ
10-30-2012, 12:19 AM
Our defense is playing well, garnering some top 10 ratings in a handful of statistics. One can only look forward with joyous anticipation at how good this defense will be when they get another above average player in there in two weeks.

I believe DJ will start out splitting time with Brooking, and starting as the nickel MLB with Woodyard. He will be in several packages, I'm sure. Whatever your beliefs are of him as a person, has no bearing on his talents as a football player. He knows how to play every LB position, and will do so without complaint.

He has been actively participating in film study and working with the trainers at dove valley for almost a month, so there is no question he will be in football shape. He also has the reps from training camp and owns a copy of the playbook. I'm sure the coaches have told him recently over his vacation to pay special attention to MLB. Plus. Getting into "football shape" is easy for someone with the dedication DJ has. He has never had on the field problems regarding attitude towards teammates/coaches or had laziness issues. In fact, he was voted a captain for several years, so that tells you he commands respect.

I like Brooking, and think Trevathan is going to be a very good player for us, but at this point in their careers, I'd rather DJ get the majority the reps they have been getting. I don't want to take Woodyard off the field, unless he is injured or winded or the package calls for it, and I believe he has impressed the coaching staff to that point as well, so I believe we will see DJ primarily, and often, in the middle, starting the first game he returns.

Good post.

We have a better defense with DJ/VON/WW. We also have a better shot of beating the Texans/Patriots in the playoffs, should the Broncos meet them. Those two teams have TE's and a run game we couldn't stop.

lonestar
10-30-2012, 01:05 AM
Good post.

We have a better defense with DJ/VON/WW. We also have a better shot of beating the Texans/Patriots in the playoffs, should the Broncos meet them. Those two teams have TE's and a run game we couldn't stop.

And dj is not the answer especially against the run. While I can say I do not remember seeing dj in coverage, that does not mean he has been. I can say if he was it was not memorable either way.

I can say that his run tackling while high in numbers is not very effective at stopping them for getting positive yards.

Y'all have to get over your live affair with this moron. He will break your heart.

Nwp-Apap
10-30-2012, 02:42 AM
oh brother are you serious. or are you writing fiction..

obviously you have not been reading any of the Woodyard threads..

that or you are DUI Williams or his bromance..

What?


Y'all have to get over your love affair with this moron. He will break your heart.

I have watched him play for the Broncos for almost a decade and have yet to be disappointed in him on the field, why should that start now with one of the better Bronco teams we've had since he was drafted?

Mile High 81
10-30-2012, 03:08 AM
For me this simple:

Woddy is the starter. DJ is in the backup Rotation for WLB/MLB, when he comes back.
You can not have enough depth. You see how fast a player can go down (Mays).

Also there a PO teams (Texans/Ravens) who need a LB. You can not give him DJ for free.

Without the Pats, I think we can beat any AFC Team. So do not make them stronger.

BroncoBuff
10-30-2012, 06:31 AM
I grew up with Tom Jackson and Bob Swenson ... so I've never really trusted OLBs that don't make big plays now and then. Not Donnie Spragan, Terry Pierce,Ian Gold or Louis Green. The line on DJ was always he's a great athlete, always in position, lots of tackles. But eventually an OLB has to do something to win a game.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 11:28 AM
I grew up with Tom Jackson and Bob Swenson ... so I've never really trusted OLBs that don't make big plays now and then. Not Donnie Spragan, Terry Pierce,Ian Gold or Louis Green. The line on DJ was always he's a great athlete, always in position, lots of tackles. But eventually an OLB has to do something to win a game.

I get the point your making, but DJ showed up last year on film and in big plays. Like a forced fumble late in the game that gave our offense another miracle win.

It's really as simple as this: DJ makes us a better team on the field - unless you think Brooking is going to hold up all year long.

NUB
10-30-2012, 12:12 PM
The mike position is still running around like a headless chicken, though, and that is where most people wanted DJ when he returned. Running teams have gashed Denver pretty much every game so far. Trevethan did show a lot of promise, I'll say that. Strange that he was out there first, too, over the number of mikes drafted in the past two years.

BroncoMan4ever
10-30-2012, 12:37 PM
I get the point your making, but DJ showed up last year on film and in big plays. Like a forced fumble late in the game that gave our offense another miracle win.

It's really as simple as this: DJ makes us a better team on the field - unless you think Brooking is going to hold up all year long.

I agree over Brooking and Mays that DJ is better. However, he should not just jump into a starting role as soon as the suspension ends. Work needs to be put in, he needs to earn the spot with on the field production. By just giving a guy who has done nothing for the team this year an automatic starting spot can cause some tension on the team. But if the team let's him earn a starting spot it reinforces that the best start. You can't say a guy with 0 production or participation is automatically the best.

That being said I say when he returns he begins as Brooking's backup and a special teamer. As he shows he is better than let him return to starting in the middle.

BroncoBuff
10-30-2012, 12:40 PM
I get the point your making, but DJ showed up last year on film and in big plays. Like a forced fumble late in the game that gave our offense another miracle win.

It's really as simple as this: DJ makes us a better team on the field - unless you think Brooking is going to hold up all year long.

He's certainly the best we have available, agree WW/DJ/VON is the best group. But if he couldn't play in the middle, would we really want him back? Funny, moving him all over supposedly stunted his potential early, but that versatility might just extend his career a few years. A versatile, athletic veteran, maybe with something to prove, sounds like the kinda player teams rely on to make postseason runs.

And does Ian Gold really deserve all the grief he gets? For a 5'11" 218 pound LB, he made some big plays ... beat the Raiders with a blocked kick+TD as a rookie I think, IntRetTD beat or pounded the last nail in the Bengals in the '03 opener, and didn't he bat down Brunell's 4th down pass to beat the Redskins in the rain in '04. That game at Invesco most memorable to me for what Kevin Maas said on the telecast: "Anything can happen here folks, remember this is where John Elway engineered The Drive to beat the Browns in the playoffs."

lonestar
10-30-2012, 01:13 PM
He's certainly the best we have available, agree WW/DJ/VON is the best group. But if he couldn't play in the middle, would we really want him back? Funny, moving him all over supposedly stunted his potential early, but that versatility might just extend his career a few years. A versatile, athletic veteran, maybe with something to prove, sounds like the kinda player teams rely on to make postseason runs.

And does Ian Gold really deserve all the grief he gets? For a 5'11" 218 pound LB, he made some big plays ... beat the Raiders with a blocked kick+TD as a rookie I think, IntRetTD beat or pounded the last nail in the Bengals in the '03 opener, and didn't he bat down Brunell's 4th down pass to beat the Redskins in the rain in '04. That game at Invesco most memorable to me for what Kevin Maas said on the telecast: "Anything can happen here folks, remember this is where John Elway engineered The Drive to beat the Browns in the playoffs."

John "the DRIVE" was in CLE and ended up with the TD in the dawg pound end zone....

fontaine
10-30-2012, 01:13 PM
I agree over Brooking and Mays that DJ is better. However, he should not just jump into a starting role as soon as the suspension ends. Work needs to be put in, he needs to earn the spot with on the field production. By just giving a guy who has done nothing for the team this year an automatic starting spot can cause some tension on the team. But if the team let's him earn a starting spot it reinforces that the best start. You can't say a guy with 0 production or participation is automatically the best.

That being said I say when he returns he begins as Brooking's backup and a special teamer. As he shows he is better than let him return to starting in the middle.

Ok, let's stop talking opinions.

Here are facts:

1. Why does DJ have to earn the spot? Brooking certainly didn't, Mays lost it.
2. How many 2nd half tackles does Brooking have in the past two games as starter? I can barely remember two/three.
3. How many tackles for a loss, forced fumbles etc does Brooking have?

Yes, Brooking lines up the Defense (sometimes) but the guy physically fades badly as the game wears on. So much so that we're constantly having to sub/move guys like Trevathan in and out.

I agree that DJ has been as dumb as a bag of **** but on the field he's vastly superior in the physical aspect of the game. As long as he's not mentally damaged he can take the next three weeks (under suspension but can be present at the facility) to get up to speed on the defense.

lonestar
10-30-2012, 01:26 PM
Ok, let's stop talking opinions.

Here are facts:

1. Why does DJ have to earn the spot? Brooking certainly didn't, Mays lost it.
2. How many 2nd half tackles does Brooking have in the past two games as starter? I can barely remember two/three.
3. How many tackles for a loss, forced fumbles etc does Brooking have?

Yes, Brooking lines up the Defense (sometimes) but the guy physically fades badly as the game wears on. So much so that we're constantly having to sub/move guys like Trevathan in and out.

I agree that DJ has been as dumb as a bag of **** but on the field he's vastly superior in the physical aspect of the game. As long as he's not mentally damaged he can take the next three weeks (under suspension but can be present at the facility) to get up to speed on the defense.


FWIW all of what you have said is your opinion and not necessarily facts..
actually Brookings has 1 FF this year.. and nine for his career.. which puts him up one of dumb ass..

I realize you think DJ is a great LB but he no better than WW has been the past two years.. as a Mike he was average at best.. for the money he is making he should be near super star..

and what has he done the past year but be a dumb ass..

I trust that JDR will do the right thing and barring another injury that means he plays backup at best.. the fastest thing that could ruin a locker room is pulling players that have been busting their butts all season long doing a good job to insert a moron that had his second DUI that has been reported, could not piss human urine and then screw the pooch with his playbook FUBAR..

That is my Opinion..

BroncoBuff
10-30-2012, 01:28 PM
John "the DRIVE" was in CLE and ended up with the TD in the dawg pound end zone....

I know, right? Arguably a Top 10 moment in the history of the sport, and No Maas blurts out wrong stadium and wrong city. I don't think I've ever heard a gaffe of such magnitude ... the guys in the truck were undoubtedly struck so dumbfounded they couldn't correct him in his stupid chefs ear.

BroncoMan4ever
10-30-2012, 01:30 PM
Ok, let's stop talking opinions.

Here are facts:

1. Why does DJ have to earn the spot? Brooking certainly didn't, Mays lost it.
2. How many 2nd half tackles does Brooking have in the past two games as starter? I can barely remember two/three.
3. How many tackles for a loss, forced fumbles etc does Brooking have?

Yes, Brooking lines up the Defense (sometimes) but the guy physically fades badly as the game wears on. So much so that we're constantly having to sub/move guys like Trevathan in and out.

I agree that DJ has been as dumb as a bag of **** but on the field he's vastly superior in the physical aspect of the game. As long as he's not mentally damaged he can take the next three weeks (under suspension but can be present at the facility) to get up to speed on the defense.

Why does DUI Williams need to earn his spot? Because this is the NFL where you earn playing time. This isn't a guy coming back from injury. This is a guy whose stupidity hurt his team. DUI isn't a phenomenal talent that deserves a starting spot no questions asked.

Brooking was brought in for leadership and on field help. And because Mays wasn't cutting it he took over. Say what you want about him but Brooking is helping the D. Top 10 ranking in numerous stats. DUI has not been missed.

How many plays has Brooking made? Here's your answer, MORE THAN DUI HAS THIS YEAR!

Brooking may be inferior, but he has been here. He has played and shed sweat and blood on the field with his teammates. What has DUI done?

Cito Pelon
10-30-2012, 01:35 PM
Woodyard has more INT's this year than Denver LB's combined for about the past 5 years. I think the last time Denver's LB's had 2 INT's for the entire season was 2007.

Irish Stout
10-30-2012, 01:38 PM
Wesley Woodyard is, was, and always will be one of my all time favorite Broncos. The dude plays with heart and hustle and that means a lot to me... now if you can do that and do it well, then you're in my book of awesome. So to the man who supplanted the lumber yard with the wood yard, my hat is off to you sir!

Also, gave him a high five once, biggest ****ing hands... made me feel insecure about my manhood.

24champ
10-30-2012, 01:41 PM
Why does DUI Williams need to earn his spot? Because this is the NFL where you earn playing time. This isn't a guy coming back from injury. This is a guy whose stupidity hurt his team. DUI isn't a phenomenal talent that deserves a starting spot no questions asked.

Brooking was brought in for leadership and on field help. And because Mays wasn't cutting it he took over. Say what you want about him but Brooking is helping the D. Top 10 ranking in numerous stats. DUI has not been missed.

How many plays has Brooking made? Here's your answer, MORE THAN DUI HAS THIS YEAR!

Brooking may be inferior, but he has been here. He has played and shed sweat and blood on the field with his teammates. What has DUI done?

Its about putting the best linebackers out there.

Brookings is not a good linebacker, way past his prime. He was brought in for depth when nobody else in the league wanted him, in fact there was talk he would be cut from the Broncos in camp.

Cito Pelon
10-30-2012, 01:44 PM
Question - Who has the green dot for the D when Brooking or Mays isn't in? Adams? Somebody has to take the plays from Del Rio when they yank the MLB and go nickle.

24champ
10-30-2012, 01:46 PM
Question - Who has the green dot for the D when Brooking or Mays isn't in? Adams? Somebody has to take the plays from Del Rio when they yank the MLB and go nickle.

Woodyard has the green dot.

Heyneck
10-30-2012, 01:52 PM
I get the point your making, but DJ showed up last year on film and in big plays. Like a forced fumble late in the game that gave our offense another miracle win.

It's really as simple as this: DJ makes us a better team on the field - unless you think Brooking is going to hold up all year long.

Sorry you can't remember DJ playing MLB. He was awful!!!

Irish Stout
10-30-2012, 01:53 PM
Question - Who has the green dot for the D when Brooking or Mays isn't in? Adams? Somebody has to take the plays from Del Rio when they yank the MLB and go nickle.

Only the guy who has a yard... full of wood.

Heyneck
10-30-2012, 02:06 PM
Ok, let's stop talking opinions.

Here are facts:

1. Why does DJ have to earn the spot? Brooking certainly didn't, Mays lost it.
2. How many 2nd half tackles does Brooking have in the past two games as starter? I can barely remember two/three.
3. How many tackles for a loss, forced fumbles etc does Brooking have?

Yes, Brooking lines up the Defense (sometimes) but the guy physically fades badly as the game wears on. So much so that we're constantly having to sub/move guys like Trevathan in and out.

I agree that DJ has been as dumb as a bag of **** but on the field he's vastly superior in the physical aspect of the game. As long as he's not mentally damaged he can take the next three weeks (under suspension but can be present at the facility) to get up to speed on the defense.

Actually, this ain't facts. Just your opinion.

1. Why does he have to earn it? Are you for real? First there where the reports that he was learning a new position. Second, he didn't get any reps during camp because of the long layoff. Third, dude must be rusty as hell and not being in the meeting room during the evolution of our defense in-season has to be bad for the chemistry part.

2. Who cares how many tackles he has! The opposing offense is for once not running straight at our MLB. He may and old fart... but he is an old fart that knows which holes or gaps to hit to flush the play another way.

3. How many many tackles for a loss, forced fumbles etc has DJ had that actually made a difference? Not many. Has DJ had some great games? Sure! The only problem.... he has had way more below average outings.

Athletically DJ is a beast, mentally... my dog runs circle numerous times around his head.

lonestar
10-30-2012, 02:12 PM
Why does DUI Williams need to earn his spot? Because this is the NFL where you earn playing time. This isn't a guy coming back from injury. This is a guy whose stupidity hurt his team. DUI isn't a phenomenal talent that deserves a starting spot no questions asked.

Brooking was brought in for leadership and on field help. And because Mays wasn't cutting it he took over. Say what you want about him but Brooking is helping the D. Top 10 ranking in numerous stats. DUI has not been missed.

How many plays has Brooking made? Here's your answer, MORE THAN DUI HAS THIS YEAR!

Brooking may be inferior, but he has been here. He has played and shed sweat and blood on the field with his teammates. What has DUI done?

excellent post.. why so many folks are in love with this moron is beyond me.. he has never been a star player never matched his draft status and certainly has not earned the extravagant contract he got from mikey..

he is an average LB that was at the time better than the rest of the trash on D, that is hardly saying anything.. other than he was above average on a sub par defense..

I have said it several times while his team mate may like him and want t party with the guy he is hardly the example of work ethic I want my kiddie LB to model themselves after .. One DUI is more than enough for a leader, in fact I have to wonder how many times he may have been stopped and because he was a Bronco allowed to catch a cab home or was driven home by fan officers..

NO one knows for sure, we all know that stuff like this happens.. Is the reason he was so belligerent the last time is because he got away with it before?

If it were my team I would cut him barring any further injuries at LB.. If for no other reason to set an example..

Play2win
10-30-2012, 02:13 PM
Sorry you can't remember DJ playing MLB. He was awful!!!

I honestly think that DJ played a worse MLB than Joe Mays ever did.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 02:16 PM
Why does DUI Williams need to earn his spot? Because this is the NFL where you earn playing time. This isn't a guy coming back from injury. This is a guy whose stupidity hurt his team. DUI isn't a phenomenal talent that deserves a starting spot no questions asked.


I'm not talking about off the field stuff. On the field he's the best MLB we have and I've see nothing from to you change that.

Brooking was brought in for leadership and on field help. And because Mays wasn't cutting it he took over. Say what you want about him but Brooking is helping the D. Top 10 ranking in numerous stats. DUI has not been missed.

Again, your opinion and not fact. Brooking isn't making tackles near the line of scrimmage, he barely makes tackles at all, so I'm not sure what specifically he's doing to help here apart from helping line up the defense but DJ can do that.

How many plays has Brooking made? Here's your answer, MORE THAN DUI HAS THIS YEAR!

Brooking may be inferior, but he has been here. He has played and shed sweat and blood on the field with his teammates. What has DUI done?

ROFL!

That's cute. Brooking has been a starter all of two games, and you're talking about him being here shedding blood and sweat?
:spit:

I guess we must have had an impersonator at MLB/WLB with DJ all these years and over a 100 games where he played mostly behind a bunch of castoff DTs.

Your opinions don't really matter on this anyway. The Broncos brought in Brooking not to replace DJ but to be an option to fill in while he served his suspension.

I like Brooking, he's a leader on the field and has a ton of experience and is a good backup policy. But that's about it.

Cito Pelon
10-30-2012, 02:18 PM
Woodyard has the green dot.

Dude is due for a payday next year, same with Chris Harris and Clady.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 02:22 PM
Actually, this ain't facts. Just your opinion.

1. Why does he have to earn it? Are you for real? First there where the reports that he was learning a new position. Second, he didn't get any reps during camp because of the long layoff. Third, dude must be rusty as hell and not being in the meeting room during the evolution of our defense in-season has to be bad for the chemistry part.


Uhh, you must have missed the part where Brooking was brought in as a backup option and not the starter.

2. Who cares how many tackles he has! The opposing offense is for once not running straight at our MLB. He may and old fart... but he is an old fart that knows which holes or gaps to hit to flush the play another way.

Wait, wait. Let me just get this straight again. It doesn't matter how many tackles the MLB has?

If not then why say this ->

3. How many many tackles for a loss, forced fumbles etc has DJ had that actually made a difference? Not many. Has DJ had some great games? Sure! The only problem.... he has had way more below average outings.

I get the part where DJ is public enemy #1. Fine, I get it, and got over it.

Now show me the part where Brooking who's fading badly on the field, hardly contributes in making plays/tackles etc, is a better Mike than DJ?

Cito Pelon
10-30-2012, 02:27 PM
I'm not talking about off the field stuff. On the field he's the best MLB we have and I've see nothing from to you change that.



Again, your opinion and not fact. Brooking isn't making tackles near the line of scrimmage, he barely makes tackles at all, so I'm not sure what specifically he's doing to help here apart from helping line up the defense but DJ can do that.


ROFL!

That's cute. Brooking has been a starter all of two games, and you're talking about him being here shedding blood and sweat?
:spit:

I guess we must have had an impersonator at MLB/WLB with DJ all these years and over a 100 games where he played mostly behind a bunch of castoff DTs.

Your opinions don't really matter on this anyway. The Broncos brought in Brooking not to replace DJ but to be an option to fill in while he served his suspension.

I like Brooking, he's a leader on the field and has a ton of experience and is a good backup policy. But that's about it.

That's kind of a question mark, but if Woodyard has the green dot maybe DJ will pay some dividends spelling Brooking. He's not awful, I'm sure Del Rio can get some plays from DJ, and Del Rio will probably be glad to have DJ back to add into the mix.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 02:31 PM
That's kind of a question mark, but if Woodyard has the green dot maybe DJ will pay some dividends spelling Brooking. He's not awful, I'm sure Del Rio can get some plays from DJ, and Del Rio will probably be glad to have DJ back to add into the mix.

The bottom line is, this is the best DL we've had in a long long time. The MLB/WLB should be excelling in this type of D and cleaning up plays near the line of scrimmage (like Woodyard has been doing).

I've watched and rewatched the last two games, and I'm sorry, but Brooking doesn't show up after the ball is snapped and really fades in the 2nd half.

There's NO question DJ is going to take the field. We already know that because Brooking is being subbed already. The question, as you say, is whether DJ can get his head on straight but physically, he gives us a stronger/faster MLB than Brooking and it's not even close.

24champ
10-30-2012, 02:34 PM
''He's a great teammate. Sometimes people make mistakes, but he's definitely a great guy to have in the locker room,'' Dumervil said. ''Having his presence here is tremendous, so we're excited to get him back in the room with us.''

Sounds like Elvis respects DJ.

I'll take the words of the players in the locker room over some fans crying about DJ having to "shed blood and sweat" before he can start. ROFL!

fontaine
10-30-2012, 02:47 PM
I realize you think DJ is a great LB but he no better than WW has been the past two years.. as a Mike he was average at best.. for the money he is making he should be near super star..

This is why your opinions are generally worthless.

Comparing the LB play this year to the past is like comparing apples to oranges. Our DLs have been worthless at being stout at the point of attack in the past where our LBers constantly have had to fight through a lot of traffic.

It's why a flawed player like Woodyard is excelling in this system because his real weakeness in shedding blockers isn't such a big deal because of the job our DL+Von is doing.

And I haven't said DJ is a great LB. He's just a better option than Brooking right now unless he's completely brain dead and can't relearn JDR's defense.

Br0nc0Buster
10-30-2012, 02:58 PM
This is why your opinions are generally worthless.

Comparing the LB play this year to the past is like comparing apples to oranges. Our DLs have been worthless at being stout at the point of attack in the past where our LBers constantly have had to fight through a lot of traffic.

It's why a flawed player like Woodyard is excelling in this system because his real weakeness in shedding blockers isn't such a big deal because of the job our DL+Von is doing.

And I haven't said DJ is a great LB. He's just a better option than Brooking right now unless he's completely brain dead and can't relearn JDR's defense.

This is the problem though
He should easily step on the field and be an upgrade over Brooking
But he is THAT stupid that it is not just a given he will

fontaine
10-30-2012, 03:25 PM
This is the problem though
He should easily step on the field and be an upgrade over Brooking
But he is THAT stupid that it is not just a given he will

Ok that's a legit concern.

But here's what's happening ON the field at the Mike position.

1. Brooking is strictly used at most as a two down run stopping Mike.
2. On third downs or obvious passing downs he's subbed out, Woodyard takes the Mike job, and Trevathan comes in lining up outside.
3. Brooking is SLOW to the ball carrier, can't shed blocks from FBs/TEs and has zero foot speed and change of direction.
4. Athletically, DJ can play his Mike two down role better because he's a better blitzer, quicker to the ball carrier and more physical.
5. Mentally, Brooking isn't being asked to play in coverage so the Broncos are strictly using him as a between the hash marks kind of run stopper. THAT'S IT.
6. Brooking isn't even used as a two down Mike sometimes. He's subbed out on 1st/2nd downs sometimes with Woodyard at Mike and Trevathan at Will -> see Sproles TD pass in the first half when neither LBer picked him up early.

At this point, I'm not sure what people think Brooking is doing, or what's the love affair with a physically limited LBer who doesn't even play a true two down run stopping role, but if you actually watch the game, substitutions and formations you'll see that he plays a very limited amount of snaps, so it's not really asking a whole lot of DJ to come in and replace Brooking's limited 2 down plays. . . . .

. . . . . which would allow Woodyard to play more at Will instead of Trevathan when/if DJ shows he can play more snaps at the Mike position.

At WORST DJ can come in and immediately replace Trevathan at Will.

It really is as simple as that.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 03:32 PM
Or let me put it this way .. . . .

Since Joe Mays was benched three weeks ago, Wesley Woodyard has had to learn the Mike position on the fly since he fills in around HALF of his snaps there because Brooking is so limited.

You don't think DJ can do that? Seriously?

fontaine
10-30-2012, 03:43 PM
And can someone tell me what Brooking is actually doing in terms of helping line up the defense?

Brooking really only plays in our base 5-2 formation with Von lined up over the strongside TE, and Wolfe/Doom on the edges. You don't need a genius at Mike to get that done right.

2KBack
10-30-2012, 03:43 PM
Uhh, you must have missed the part where Brooking was brought in as a backup option and not the starter.



Wait, wait. Let me just get this straight again. It doesn't matter how many tackles the MLB has?

If not then why say this ->



I get the part where DJ is public enemy #1. Fine, I get it, and got over it.

Now show me the part where Brooking who's fading badly on the field, hardly contributes in making plays/tackles etc, is a better Mike than DJ?

You do of course realize that the last time DJ played MLB, Denver had the 30th ranked run defense right? We are currently giving up a full yard less per carry, and those stats are slightly skewed between games that Brooking started v. Mays. In the 3 Games Brooking started, Denver has given up less than 200 yards combined on the ground. That is the importance of being in the right place. DJ does not have the ability to play smart on his own, much less line everyone else up correctly.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 03:58 PM
You do of course realize that the last time DJ played MLB, Denver had the 30th ranked run defense right? We are currently giving up a full yard less per carry, and those stats are slightly skewed between games that Brooking started v. Mays. In the 3 Games Brooking started, Denver has given up less than 200 yards combined on the ground. That is the importance of being in the right place. DJ does not have the ability to play smart on his own, much less line everyone else up correctly.

I already addressed this. Brooking plays mostly in our base 5-2 formation on 1st and/or 2nd down. Not much direction is needed to line up there.

I guess if you want to pin our defensive problems in the past to DJ, then sure, go ahead.

But this is what I SEE on film from Brooking as purely being used as a two down run stopper.

1st and 10 on the 20:
Saints opening drive in the 2nd half. Fullback motions over to the left and Woodyard/Brooking read that key to shift over in that direction. Open lane up the middle where Brooking is up one on one against the RB at the 20 yard line.

24champ
10-30-2012, 03:59 PM
You do of course realize that the last time DJ played MLB, Denver had the 30th ranked run defense right? We are currently giving up a full yard less per carry, and those stats are slightly skewed between games that Brooking started v. Mays. In the 3 Games Brooking started, Denver has given up less than 200 yards combined on the ground. That is the importance of being in the right place. DJ does not have the ability to play smart on his own, much less line everyone else up correctly.

You do, of course realize we had a bad DL, right?

fontaine
10-30-2012, 04:01 PM
A split second later, Brooking is too slow, too weak and the RB has already gone five yards further and it takes Woodyward to come in and cleanup the Mike's job.

What should have been a 1 yard gain or tackle for a loss (this isn't Adrian Peterson we're talking about here), results in a solid 5 yard gain on 1st down.

If you would rather have that, than DJ playing a two down thumper role in the middle then fine.

I want no part of it.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 04:04 PM
That's pretty much the reason why Brooking isn't even used as a two down run stopper but constantly subbed in and out.

The guy is physically done.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 04:12 PM
Brooking was out the next play.

Back in on the next 1st and 10 and the Saints run to the left side.

Brooking gets blocked out from the play because he's not quick or strong enough to get past his blocker

broncosteven
10-30-2012, 04:26 PM
The bottom line is, this is the best DL we've had in a long long time. The MLB/WLB should be excelling in this type of D and cleaning up plays near the line of scrimmage (like Woodyard has been doing).

I've watched and rewatched the last two games, and I'm sorry, but Brooking doesn't show up after the ball is snapped and really fades in the 2nd half.

There's NO question DJ is going to take the field. We already know that because Brooking is being subbed already. The question, as you say, is whether DJ can get his head on straight but physically, he gives us a stronger/faster MLB than Brooking and it's not even close.

DJ will be an immediate upgrade at MLB. Brooking was jsut brought in for depth because it was becoming apparent to the staff that Mays was a liability and DJ was going to be out for at least 6 weeks. All we had at the time depth wise was Irving and Trevathan.

fontaine
10-30-2012, 04:28 PM
Brooking played two/three more snaps . . . . .

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in the entire 2nd half.


So the sum total of Brooking's play in the entire 2nd half was 4 or 5 snaps where he screwed up one tackle and assited in another.

Any other questions?

errand
10-30-2012, 04:44 PM
- unless you think Brooking is going to hold up all year long.

He's held up so far, no?

lonestar
10-30-2012, 06:40 PM
Actually, this ain't facts. Just your opinion.

1. Why does he have to earn it? Are you for real? First there where the reports that he was learning a new position. Second, he didn't get any reps during camp because of the long layoff. Third, dude must be rusty as hell and not being in the meeting room during the evolution of our defense in-season has to be bad for the chemistry part.

2. Who cares how many tackles he has! The opposing offense is for once not running straight at our MLB. He may and old fart... but he is an old fart that knows which holes or gaps to hit to flush the play another way.

3. How many many tackles for a loss, forced fumbles etc has DJ had that actually made a difference? Not many. Has DJ had some great games? Sure! The only problem.... he has had way more below average outings.

Athletically DJ is a beast, mentally... my dog runs circle numerous times around his head.

:thumbs:

glad to see more folks thinking with their BIG heads instead of their little ones..

lonestar
10-30-2012, 06:43 PM
Dude is due for a payday next year, same with Chris Harris and Clady.

Pretty sure they resigned him already thought for sure i saw that some where..

lonestar
10-30-2012, 06:51 PM
I'm not talking about off the field stuff. On the field he's the best MLB we have and I've see nothing from to you change that.



Again, your opinion and not fact. Brooking isn't making tackles near the line of scrimmage, he barely makes tackles at all, so I'm not sure what specifically he's doing to help here apart from helping line up the defense but DJ can do that.

That's cute. Brooking has been a starter all of two games, and you're talking about him being here shedding blood and sweat?


I guess we must have had an impersonator at MLB/WLB with DJ all these years and over a 100 games where he played mostly behind a bunch of castoff DTs.

Your opinions don't really matter on this anyway. The Broncos brought in Brooking not to replace DJ but to be an option to fill in while he served his suspension.

I like Brooking, he's a leader on the field and has a ton of experience and is a good backup policy. But that's about it.

one again DJ lovers talking out of their ass..

according to Broncos.com he has indeed started 5 games and played in all seven..
Season Team Games Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF FR
TOTAL 1,410 1,081 329 21.0 -- 62 13 185 -- 41 0 9 10
2012 DEN 7 5 25 15 10 0.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- 1 --


IIRC brookings was brought in to be a spare part not as DJs replacement.. John knows you can not have to many DB's. LB's or RB's on the roster..

Once again DJ is not a MLB he has played 16 games at it and frankly was not a stuff them at the LOS , TFL or big sackmeister that year..

his expertise has always been WLB and that right now is being manned very well by WW..

lonestar
10-30-2012, 07:09 PM
This is why your opinions are generally worthless.

Comparing the LB play this year to the past is like comparing apples to oranges. Our DLs have been worthless at being stout at the point of attack in the past where our LBers constantly have had to fight through a lot of traffic.

It's why a flawed player like Woodyard is excelling in this system because his real weakeness in shedding blockers isn't such a big deal because of the job our DL+Von is doing.

And I haven't said DJ is a great LB. He's just a better option than Brooking right now unless he's completely brain dead and can't relearn JDR's defense.

I guess that is the reason that WW had better stats last year 2011 in 6 less starts than DJ had.. It was all because of the DL.. yeah sure.. once again your woody for DJ is showing..

IF JDR and Fox think he is the guy then so be it I just do not think they are that dumb.. to Immediately start DJ over guys that have been getting it done..

all that does is cause dissension in the locker room.. much like what happened when mikey made greise the starter that one year over an experienced well liked veteran QB..

Now if someone goes down I might buy it or IF one of them plays himself out of the job.. but otherwise I see DJ earning his way back on the field and then the only place he can play is MLB as he is not even close to be at WW level this year and SAM well he will never out play Miller..

But we will see what they do in about three weeks, by then DT and WW should have those spots wrapped up..

lonestar
10-30-2012, 07:23 PM
Or let me put it this way .. . . .

Since Joe Mays was benched three weeks ago, Wesley Woodyard has had to learn the Mike position on the fly since he fills in around HALF of his snaps there because Brooking is so limited.

You don't think DJ can do that? Seriously?

not only no but hell NO..

the guys you mentioned have been on the field, in class/film rooms and practice field all year.. DJ has not been on the field at all and frankly is a 12 weeks or so behind JDRs play book.. with him not being the sharpest tool in the shed I believe it will take several weeks at the least till he is up to speed with all the changes that JDR has brought..

fontaine
10-31-2012, 06:03 AM
his expertise has always been WLB and that right now is being manned very well by WW..

Before I respond to any more of your posts, do you actually know how many snaps, or ratio of snaps WW plays at the weakside position compared to how many times, say Danny Trevathan does?

If you don't know the basics of how our LBers are used, then like I said, your posts are worthless.

24champ
10-31-2012, 09:18 AM
according to Broncos.com he has indeed started 5 games and played in all seven..
Season Team Games Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF FR
TOTAL 1,410 1,081 329 21.0 -- 62 13 185 -- 41 0 9 10
2012 DEN 7 5 25 15 10 0.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- 1 --







Also on Broncos.com...

Von Miller started 7 of 7 games.
Woodyard started 6 of 7 games.
Joe Mays started 4 of 6 games.

TheReverend
10-31-2012, 09:21 AM
Brooking played two/three more snaps . . . . .

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in the entire 2nd half.


So the sum total of Brooking's play in the entire 2nd half was 4 or 5 snaps where he screwed up one tackle and assited in another.

Any other questions?

To be fair, almost the entirety of the 2nd half was in the nickel. The Saints go 11 personnel enough as IS in their base, let alone when they're behind multiple scores man.

Awesome work, as always. Just missing some context

pricejj
10-31-2012, 10:53 AM
I'm with fontaine on this one. Though the Defense is playing better with Brooking at MLB (on running downs), he isn't exactly filling up holes or making huge plays. He had a couple tackles in the Saints game, but nothing major.

The addition of DJ is going to make this Defense even better. If he can play like he did last year (without steroids), he should be taking almost all the snaps of Brooking and Trevathan.

Our Secondary has gotten so good at tackling, that the 4-2 Nickel is effective against both the run and the pass. Having both WW and DJ as the LB's will be killer.

In a way, it's good that DJ was suspended, because it's given WW a chance to come into his own. The dude is playing lights out. With Von, WW, and DJ at LB...watch out. All three are potential Pro Bowlers, and Von is potential DPOY.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 01:57 PM
I'm with fontaine on this one. Though the Defense is playing better with Brooking at MLB (on running downs), he isn't exactly filling up holes or making huge plays. He had a couple tackles in the Saints game, but nothing major.

The addition of DJ is going to make this Defense even better. If he can play like he did last year (without steroids), he should be taking almost all the snaps of Brooking and Trevathan.

Our Secondary has gotten so good at tackling, that the 4-2 Nickel is effective against both the run and the pass. Having both WW and DJ as the LB's will be killer.

In a way, it's good that DJ was suspended, because it's given WW a chance to come into his own. The dude is playing lights out. With Von, WW, and DJ at LB...watch out. All three are potential Pro Bowlers, and Von is potential DPOY.

your drinking the kooladie JJ wats is so far ahead of anyone for DPOY Von does not have a chance..

as for them being pro bowlers you do realize that voting is going on right now and the dumb ass has not played a sanp and IIRC when I voted his name is not on the ballot..

by the time he gets a significant number of plays on the board the season will be over..

As I have said before I just do not see JDR, Fox and John playing this moron unless it is spot duty and ST's or there is a major injury..

they all have better access to film than do we on top of that thet actually know what defenses have been called.. DJ has not been a force for a couple of years and by force I mean lots of tackles , not even a guy you can count on for TFL or for that matter for NO GAIN.. he never has been that type of LB, he has always been a drag them down from behind for a few yards gain..

But we will see how much time he sees on the field..

swaiy
10-31-2012, 02:30 PM
Guess we will find out the the fate of DJ and how much he plays when he returns. One thing is for sure, somebody in this thread will look like an ass and it wont be me. :strong:

fontaine
10-31-2012, 02:32 PM
your drinking the kooladie JJ wats is so far ahead of anyone for DPOY Von does not have a chance..

as for them being pro bowlers you do realize that voting is going on right now and the dumb ass has not played a sanp and IIRC when I voted his name is not on the ballot..

by the time he gets a significant number of plays on the board the season will be over..

As I have said before I just do not see JDR, Fox and John playing this moron unless it is spot duty and ST's or there is a major injury..

they all have better access to film than do we on top of that thet actually know what defenses have been called.. DJ has not been a force for a couple of years and by force I mean lots of tackles , not even a guy you can count on for TFL or for that matter for NO GAIN.. he never has been that type of LB, he has always been a drag them down from behind for a few yards gain..

But we will see how much time he sees on the field..

Seriously, what team do you watch on Sundays?

In 13 games last year DJ had:

5 sacks, 8 Tackles for a loss, and 3 forced fumbles to go with his 70 tackles overall.

fontaine
10-31-2012, 02:39 PM
and more .. . . .

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/21/fantasy-the-top-10-4-3-outside-linebacker-performances-of-2011/

9t. D.J. Williams, Denver Broncos: Week 14 vs. Chicago Bears (23.5 PFF Fantasy Points)

Williams is one of three Broncos to have made this list, and he begins the countdown with a dominant performance in a likely week of fantasy football playoffs. Williams’ owners would surely take his line of nine solo tackles, two sacks and two tackles for loss during any week, let alone one that may have clinched a fantasy football trophy win. His season-high +1.8 grade in pass coverage in that game was nice to see as well.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 02:50 PM
Seriously, what team do you watch on Sundays?

In 13 games last year DJ had:

5 sacks, 8 Tackles for a loss, and 3 forced fumbles to go with his 70 tackles overall.

I watch the broncos when ever they are on TV which is not always like it is for the cowgirls..

DJ has more tackles fo a good gain than any other LB.. he is a drag down from behind specialist and if he did have a few good tackles last year other than Sacks last year

but l;ookee here ..


Rank Player Team Pos Value
84 D.J. Williams Denver Broncos LB 8
84 Robert Ayers Denver Broncos DE 8
84 Joe Mays Denver Broncos LB 8
59 Ryan McBean Denver Broncos DT 9
36 Elvis Dumervil Denver Broncos DE 11
3 Von Miller Denver Broncos LB 21

Hmmmm two other LBs with as many or more than your heart throb..

swaiy
10-31-2012, 02:57 PM
May not make a difference but it seems the linebackers are playing much better as a unit being coached by Del Rio than they did with Allen. Im not sure if its scheme or something else but, I am curious to see how DJ would do also.

I assume he wont make much of a contribution until playoff time considering how long he has been gone.

fontaine
10-31-2012, 02:58 PM
To be fair, almost the entirety of the 2nd half was in the nickel. The Saints go 11 personnel enough as IS in their base, let alone when they're behind multiple scores man.

Awesome work, as always. Just missing some context

True enough and point taken.

I just wanted to highlight that Brooking isn't some kind of lynch pin in this defense but a small role player, playing a very limited number of snaps which we could drastically improve upon by replacing him with DJ.

So that by the time we hit the playoffs we can keep Woodyard at Will instead of having him wear down at the Mike position having to replace Brooking.

yerner
10-31-2012, 03:00 PM
I'm excited to see DJ play. Dude is going to help for sure.

fontaine
10-31-2012, 03:03 PM
I watch the broncos when ever they are on TV which is not always like it is for the cowgirls..

DJ has more tackles fo a good gain than any other LB.. he is a drag down from behind specialist and if he did have a few good tackles last year other than Sacks last year

but l;ookee here ..


Rank Player Team Pos Value
84 D.J. Williams Denver Broncos LB 8
84 Robert Ayers Denver Broncos DE 8
84 Joe Mays Denver Broncos LB 8
59 Ryan McBean Denver Broncos DT 9
36 Elvis Dumervil Denver Broncos DE 11
3 Von Miller Denver Broncos LB 21

Hmmmm two other LBs with as many or more than your heart throb..

Uh, you do realize:

1. You stated DJ doesn't make enough tackles or tackles for a loss and now your proving your argument wrong by showing he's made 8 TFLs in 3 LESS games than Joe Mays?

2. You're comparing a OLB in Von who plays most of his snaps at the line of scrimmage compared to DJ who's playing further back.

3. You're stupidity has gotten you on my ignore list.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 03:03 PM
Season Team Games Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF FR
Woodyard
2012 DEN 7 6 61 42 19 3.0 -- 3 2 15 -- 8 0 1 --
2011 DEN 15 7 97 67 30 0.0 -- 2 -- -- -- -- -- 2 --
Mays.
2012 DEN 6 4 20 7 13 0.5 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- 0 --
2011 DEN 16 12 75 64 11 0.0 -- 2 -- -- -- -- -- 0
Dumb ass.
2011 DEN 13 13 90 70 20 5.0 -- 2 -- -- -- -- -- 3 1
Miller
2012 DEN 7 7 27 21 6 6.0 -- 1 -- -- -- -- -- 1 --
2011 DEN 15 15 64 50 14 11.5 -- 4 -- -- -- -- -- 2 --
Trevathan, Danny
2012 DEN 7 0 11 7 4 0.0 -- 1 -- -- -- -- -- 0 --
Brooking.
2012 DEN 7 5 25 15 10 0.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- 1 --
Irving
2012 DEN 6 0 7 5 2 0.0 -- 1 -- -- -- -- -- 0 --


just a listing of the current LBs this year so far..

DJ is great athlete but has not played to his potential and is certainly not playing better than Woodyard is who is making about 30% of what moron is..

lonestar
10-31-2012, 03:06 PM
Uh, you do realize:

1. You stated DJ doesn't make enough tackles or tackles for a loss and now your proving your argument wrong by showing he's made 8 TFLs in 3 LESS games than Joe Mays?

2. You're comparing a OLB in Von who plays most of his snaps at the line of scrimmage compared to DJ who's playing further back.

3. You're stupidity has gotten you on my ignore list.

oh I have been hoping for that for a long time I will now sleep better at night..

Maybe will not have to respond to your posts about your love affair with DJ..

24champ
10-31-2012, 04:07 PM
Speaking of love affairs, Lonelystar has posted 30-40 times in this thread about DJ.

baja
10-31-2012, 04:14 PM
oh I have been hoping for that for a long time I will now sleep better at night..

Maybe will not have to respond to your posts about your love affair with DJ..

Dude if Fontaine puts you on ignore you probably fked up. He's a pretty mellow guy.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 04:26 PM
Speaking of love affairs, Lonelystar has posted 30-40 times in this thread about DJ.

Wow aren't you cute with your names. ..

I post to bring the facts out if something stupid needs to be refuted so be

Best we had for some years, then he got a fat comtract and not so much anymore. Is he gifted sure, but he is a dumb ass who IMO has let his fan base down as well as moreso his team, and players and coaches on it.

Woodyard has got a head of steam and is now second best LB on this squad by far.

The love affair of fans with DJ has to end.

He is not that special. he is old stupid and expensive and IMO no longer in the long term plans of Elway. They have made it clear that they are only bringing in leaders, in most case college captains and smart players none of which dumb ass is.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 04:30 PM
Speaking of love affairs, Lonelystar has posted 30-40 times in this thread about DJ.

At this post it was 29. But good try.

lonestar
10-31-2012, 04:32 PM
Dude if Fontaine puts you on ignore you probably fked up. He's a pretty mellow guy.

Just showed that DJ is not the super stud he fell in love with.
If that is the criteria for his IGGY list so be it.
His posts have not overly impressed me especially on DJ.

24champ
10-31-2012, 04:57 PM
At this post it was 29. But good try.

As if that lessens my point about you rambling and obsessing about DJ.

bowtown
10-31-2012, 05:56 PM
Wow aren't you cute with your names. ..


You should go ask Tanahan.

errand
10-31-2012, 06:09 PM
I watch the broncos when ever they are on TV which is not always like it is for the cowgirls..


There aren't any sports bars or Buffalo Wild Wings where you're from?

I watch the Broncos at home, when they're on regular TV....live if they play near by and I can score tickets, or go to a sports bar that shows every NFL game.....

theAPAOps5
10-31-2012, 06:27 PM
Dude if Fontaine puts you on ignore you probably fked up. He's a pretty mellow guy.

LOL I was going to say the same thing. I don't think I have ever seen him in an altercation.

ColoradoDarin
10-31-2012, 07:42 PM
Speaking of love affairs, Lonelystar has posted 30-40 times in this thread about DJ.

So that's what I need to do to get my post count up....


troll mode - ON!

fontaine
11-01-2012, 04:40 AM
May not make a difference but it seems the linebackers are playing much better as a unit being coached by Del Rio than they did with Allen. Im not sure if its scheme or something else but, I am curious to see how DJ would do also.

I assume he wont make much of a contribution until playoff time considering how long he has been gone.

I think JDR has gone a great job of isolating the LBers strengths and using them instead of forcing them into positions they are weak in.

For example: Take Nate Irving. His basic weakeness is that he can't move/negotiate through traffic/blockers and as a Mike that's a big problem. So instead of just having him on the bench and not contributing, he's been shifted over to the strong side LBer (backing up Von) so he's out in space on the edge where his weakeness isn't exposed and he can flow to the ball carrier.

Same with Trevathan who's got good short area burst and is a sound tackler. He's being used to come in on the weakside when Woodyard shifts inside and is playing with an outside angle trying to funnel guys into the middle.

But there in lies the weakeness of our LBers. Every single team that can run a no huddle, quick tempo offense forces us to stay in our base D with brooking on the field (in which case they can go pass heavy) or if we shift to nickel, then the no huddle offense goes run heavy and it's not easy to sub LBers in and out in that case.

THAT'S why I want DJ on the field. Especially in the playoffs, you know we'll go up against no huddle, potent offenses that will exploit this weakness and the ONLY way to counter that is to have an effective base package that's strong against the run (DJ is stouter, stronger than Brooking), and still be effective against pass heavy no huddle (Brooking can't cover, and DJ is much better here again).

It really is as simple as that.