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DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 11:36 AM
Browns up on the Chargers!

g6matty
10-28-2012, 11:38 AM
eagles getting whooped on in the first . i love it! cant wait to rub it in every1s face around town. eagles have the most annoying fans in the world, this is the beginning of the end for andy reid

FearLanier
10-28-2012, 11:41 AM
Is there any question the Broncos will win the west? The other 3 teams are terrible. San Diego losing to Cleveland would be completely embarrassing.

broncocalijohn
10-28-2012, 11:41 AM
Had the Browns beating the CHargers. Terrible weather and Weeden is actually looking like a good pro on a couple of his plays. Dude is improving nicely but under the radar for most. Tough day for QBs in Cleveland. Go Browns!

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 11:45 AM
Had the Browns beating the CHargers. Terrible weather and Weeden is actually looking like a good pro on a couple of his plays. Dude is improving nicely but under the radar for most. Tough day for QBs in Cleveland. Go Browns!

The Browns will have the chance to add a elite rookie WR in the draft and become a scary team moving forward.

broncocalijohn
10-28-2012, 11:46 AM
Mathews just had his 12th fumble since 2010, tied for 2nd most. Who needs Sproles?

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 11:47 AM
Mathews just had his 12th fumble since 2010, tied for 2nd most. Who needs Sproles?

Well he is the best back in the west. Ha!

NFLBRONCO
10-28-2012, 11:48 AM
Off topic but, man are those Steeler uni's today are painful to look at

gunns
10-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Yep Ben looks like a big bumble bee

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Phins taking to the Jets.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 11:58 AM
I cannot stand shanahan defenses, so abysmal.

Between Denver and now in DC, I am getting so ****ing tired of watching this sorry ass excuse and the pass he gets for reputation.

Forget Haslett, every shanahan defense has been pathetic. It's shanahan. Even the super bowl winning broncos teams under robinson were average at best.

broncocalijohn
10-28-2012, 11:58 AM
Yep Ben looks like a big bumble bee and sting your ass while you are drunk and/or in his hotel room delivering honey.

Finished for you.

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 12:02 PM
Falcons are just pounding the Eagles, Jones was worth the draft picks.

baja
10-28-2012, 12:05 PM
WOW STEELERS UNI'S ARE THEY celebrating Halloween?

broncolife
10-28-2012, 12:06 PM
I love it when Rivers gets hit

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 12:06 PM
Even the super bowl winning broncos teams under robinson were average at best.

The 1997 defense was better than average. First in the AFC in yards allowed. Tied for sixth in the NFL in points allowed. Seventh in opponents' QB rating. They also returned five interceptions for TDs and two fumble recoveries for TDs.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1997/opp.htm

baja
10-28-2012, 12:08 PM
Yep Ben looks like a big bumble bee

I think it was a brilliant defensive move. Washington players can't stop laughing.

maven
10-28-2012, 12:09 PM
I thought they were going to switch to tebow

;D

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 12:11 PM
Remember it was K.C. Joyner who proclaimed the fumbling dolt Ryan Mathews as the best running back in the division.

maven
10-28-2012, 12:12 PM
Remember it was K.C. Joyner who proclaimed the fumbling dolt Ryan Mathews as the best running back in the division.

His fumbling is horrible.

maven
10-28-2012, 12:13 PM
Jets are just too scared to give tebow a series on offense

broncolife
10-28-2012, 12:14 PM
yeah run over the chargers

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 12:15 PM
The 1997 defense was better than average. First in the AFC in yards allowed. Tied for sixth in the NFL in points allowed. Seventh in opponents' QB rating. They also returned five interceptions for TDs and two fumble recoveries for TDs.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1997/opp.htm


I go by the eye test.

Whatever, I really don't want to hash this MS argument again. There is a whole thread on it.

His teams don't play defense. The evidence is all there and he is the common denominator.

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 12:19 PM
I don't think Tennessee can bring Locker back this year, how can they bench Hasselbeck?

maven
10-28-2012, 12:21 PM
The jets game is just screaming for a qb switch

baja
10-28-2012, 12:21 PM
Play Tebow next series - perfect time to do it.

errand
10-28-2012, 12:22 PM
Sam Bradford was down for a few after Hightower slammed him into turf....looks like left shoulder injury.

UberBroncoMan
10-28-2012, 12:23 PM
The head coach of the Browns is the biggest vagina I've ever seen. Ball on SD 38 and chooses to punt for 18 yards.

maven
10-28-2012, 12:23 PM
Play Tebow next series - perfect time to do it.

They will not give him a chance. Sanchez is horrible out there

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 12:23 PM
The jets game is just screaming for a qb switch

I could see Tebow coming in and leading a comeback or falling just short and then the ****storm in NY really gets going...

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 12:25 PM
Jets are just too scared to give tebow a series on offenseOr smart enough to know he isn't going to do any better.

maven
10-28-2012, 12:26 PM
Bs refs should have let the play go.cromartie didn't stop him

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 12:26 PM
I see the Phins blocked a punt, good job Tebow.

baja
10-28-2012, 12:26 PM
They will not give him a chance. Sanchez is horrible out there

The crowd is their own worst enemy. By screaming for Tebow ensures the Jets won't put him in at QB. Can't be seen as giving into fan demand.

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 12:29 PM
The crowd is their own worst enemy. By screaming for Tebow ensures the Jets won't put him in at QB. Can't be seen as giving into fan demand.well,when fans prove to be smarter/know more than coaches,then maybe you'll see teams concede to fan demands.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 12:31 PM
Good ole prevent defense making sanchez look good now

broncolife
10-28-2012, 12:31 PM
The crowd is their own worst enemy. By screaming for Tebow ensures the Jets won't put him in at QB. Can't be seen as giving into fan demand.

Dumbarses dont they know they have to make a billboard first.

maven
10-28-2012, 12:32 PM
I want to see a Sanchez pick now.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 12:33 PM
come on Tebow is better than sanchez lol

maven
10-28-2012, 12:34 PM
I want to see a Sanchez pick now.

No pick, but Sanchez throws dangerous passes.



Hahahshahagahsha block fg

broncolife
10-28-2012, 12:34 PM
well,when fans prove to be smarter/know more than coaches,then maybe you'll see teams concede to fan demands.

I know just like the broncos with Mays and Moreno

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 12:36 PM
ok back to watching 2 ****ty defenses, skins followed by the saints

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 12:38 PM
Going for two when you have an entire half to play is one of the most bone headed coaching moves. I'm glad Elway didn't hire Mularkey.

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 12:40 PM
I know just like the broncos with Mays and Moreno

Yeah fans are never wrong LOL

broncolife
10-28-2012, 12:44 PM
Yeah fans are never wrong LOL

I know just like coaches are never wrong ;D

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 12:45 PM
I know just like the broncos with Mays and Moreno

every team has a show of bad picks,NE,GB,NYG,Ravens... should they concede to the fanbase?

Play2win
10-28-2012, 12:45 PM
Nice to see the Redskins getting their asses handed to them.

baja
10-28-2012, 12:49 PM
well,when fans prove to be smarter/know more than coaches,then maybe you'll see teams concede to fan demands.

Ya you understood my post.

swaiy
10-28-2012, 12:54 PM
Maybe the Colts will make a trade for Moreno.

broncolife
10-28-2012, 01:01 PM
every team has a show of bad picks,NE,GB,NYG,Ravens... should they concede to the fanbase?

The coaches should never concede to the fanbase but they shouldnt be idiots about certain situations and realise the fans maybe right sometimes.

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 01:02 PM
Lloyd is having a good game so far.

baja
10-28-2012, 01:03 PM
Good time to give Tebow some QB time. This game is out of reach for the Jets.

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:05 PM
Robert Meachem!!! Nice free agent signing, A.J.

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 01:08 PM
unless they installed the read option this past week,I don't see TT getting any real time.

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 01:10 PM
unless they installed the read option this past week,I don't see TT getting any real time.

No need to take away from his punt blocking reps yet.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 01:11 PM
Nice to see the Redskins getting their asses handed to them.

So you are happy about the AFC steelers winning? Interesting...

gunns
10-28-2012, 01:14 PM
Uh, oh Rivers is mad

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 01:15 PM
Uh, oh Rivers is mad

Im shaking in my boots.

****ing phyllis

maven
10-28-2012, 01:18 PM
Jets 24 down.runrunrun. Lazy to speed up the tempo.

Sanchez tosses a pick lololol

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:19 PM
First down Cleveland Browns! On 1st and ****ing 20!!!

baja
10-28-2012, 01:19 PM
Jets toast could turn into a rout

spiralism
10-28-2012, 01:20 PM
****ing hell man, the state of the Chargers. Losing credibility by the second, even if they grind out a win it's the Browns, should be obliterating them to have any credibility at all as a decent side.

Well played frown cannon btw, fantasy QB ftw :gus:

DENVERDUI55
10-28-2012, 01:23 PM
Shanny keeping up tradition of ****ty defense.

baja
10-28-2012, 01:23 PM
Matt Moore looking good

Gaffney drops a TD

Natedog24
10-28-2012, 01:25 PM
I think we broke the chargers

baja
10-28-2012, 01:34 PM
9 drops today by skins


season record

CEH
10-28-2012, 01:34 PM
Shanny keeping up tradition of ****ty defense.

Shanny just doesn't get it.. He's put together bottom feeding defense for the last 4 years . Last year in Denver and 3 years now in WASH

His quest for a 3rd Lombardi is going nowhere with the type of defenses he fields year in and year out. Now he doesn't have 2 more 1st round picks to play with

Hope RGIII can score 35+ a game

baja
10-28-2012, 01:35 PM
I think we broke the chargers

The question was there after the beat down at home.

What's he doing or not doing?

cabronco
10-28-2012, 01:35 PM
Carolina with a 6 yard punt...oh vey.

baja
10-28-2012, 01:37 PM
FIRST TIME I see Shanahan without a tan.

Sun must not shine in washington.

baja
10-28-2012, 01:39 PM
Rg3 a gamer

he's got 'it'

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:42 PM
TOUCHDOWN JAY ****ING CUTLER!!!! TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 01:43 PM
Rg3 a gamer

he's got 'it'

Too bad he has bums like Hankerson and Briscoe. All these guys crapping their pants, afraid to take a hit from the steelers.

How the steelers play defense is the type of defense you see in the NFC east and the redskins used to be that way, but now they have good ole shanny and his thoughts on what constitutes a defense. I can't wait until his ass is fired.

Only RGIII can save him next season by making the playoffs but it will be just like that chiefs team with trent green and priest holmes. All that scoring and then flameout against the colts because they had no defense and were getting blown out a lot late in the year.

spiralism
10-28-2012, 01:44 PM
yess get it done cutler****er

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:46 PM
Keep moving the ball Cleveland and run out that clock.

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:46 PM
Trent Richardson! Move those chains! FIRST DOWN BROWNS!!!

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 01:47 PM
Shanarat needs to stop b****ing at the ref. It's embarrassing.

Also take the clown Hall with him. POS overrated bum that just talks and talks and gets burned.

edit: yes i called him shanarat; because he has been since Elway retired.

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 01:47 PM
:spit: Deangelo Hall just went ballistic on the Refs. Got kicked out, got his team penalized. The best is the ref says, "He has been excused."

There were several f-words being lobbed in the face of the official.

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:47 PM
Trent Richardson
24 rushes, 124 yards, 1 TD

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:48 PM
Critical 3rd down and 6 situation here for Cleveland's offense.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 01:50 PM
time to watch the browns, hopefully they close the deal on phyllis and that embarrassment of a coach Norvell

baja
10-28-2012, 01:50 PM
:spit: Deangelo Hall just went ballistic on the Refs. Got kicked out, got his team penalized. The best is the ref says, "He has been excused."

There were several f-words being lobbed in the face of the official.

The only better way to say it is, "The player is in timeout".

broncolife
10-28-2012, 01:51 PM
lol I heard the brown player yelling

spiralism
10-28-2012, 01:52 PM
Chargers should win now, Cleveland being depressingly inept as usual

Rocket 7
10-28-2012, 01:54 PM
I think we broke the chargers

Six points in their last six quarters.

errand
10-28-2012, 01:54 PM
Jags trail GB 21-15 with almost 7 minutes left

broncolife
10-28-2012, 01:57 PM
damn, seems like he only passes to brown

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:58 PM
Nice pass Rivers!!!

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:58 PM
Rivers pass is IN-COM-PLETE!!!

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 01:59 PM
NO FLAG!!! Thank you refs. Let them play!

broncolife
10-28-2012, 01:59 PM
here we go 4th and 10 for the chargers

broncolife
10-28-2012, 02:01 PM
yes

Champagne Powder
10-28-2012, 02:01 PM
3-4! 3-4! 3-4! 3-4! 3-4!

spdirty
10-28-2012, 02:02 PM
Yes! Thank you Browns!

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 02:02 PM
YES! Chargers gonna lose.

broncocalijohn
10-28-2012, 02:03 PM
LOL Chargers! No TDs in 6 quarters. Oh Chargers fans, you can hang your head high as your defense was stellar except against Richardson on the run.

backup qb
10-28-2012, 02:03 PM
Poor Phyllis Rivers!!! Hahahaha!!!

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 02:03 PM
**** you phyllis.

Only bad news is norv will be fired soon

DBroncos4life
10-28-2012, 02:04 PM
Chargers should win now, Cleveland being depressingly inept as usual

Nope

Aftermath
10-28-2012, 02:04 PM
SD 6 CLE 7 HAHAHAHAHAH

spiralism
10-28-2012, 02:05 PM
ahahahahahahahaha get ****ed San Diego

Broncobiv
10-28-2012, 02:08 PM
Carolina playing pathetic 2 minute D. Bears just marching down the field 10 yards at a time on easy, wide open underneath stuff.

baja
10-28-2012, 02:09 PM
Chargers lost to Cleveland.

Oh My

Broncobiv
10-28-2012, 02:10 PM
That was way too easy. Panthers just gave the game away with the prevent.

SoCalBronco
10-28-2012, 02:10 PM
Jays greatness strikes again. Bears win.

TDmvp
10-28-2012, 02:11 PM
Cutler ... Stud skill set. Period.

swaiy
10-28-2012, 02:13 PM
Did anyone see this colts game? Holy ****ing **** what a dive lmao

Broncobiv
10-28-2012, 02:13 PM
Cutler - 186 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 FUM lost.

Yeah, he's awesome!

SoCalBronco
10-28-2012, 02:14 PM
Cutler ... Stud skill set. Period.

Johnny Unitas with better wheels....and a cigarette in his mouth.

Stud.

broncocalijohn
10-28-2012, 02:14 PM
Nice win by (gag) Cutler and the Bears. Can't wait to hear what Cam Newton will say about this loss. DId the coach Rivera change the game plan after killing Cutler and his offense?

SoCalBronco
10-28-2012, 02:14 PM
Cutler - 186 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 FUM lost.

Yeah, he's awesome!

Someone's bitter. Scoreboard...read it and weep.

swaiy
10-28-2012, 02:15 PM
Wow. That OT drive by the colts was filthy. Andrew Luck is gonna be sick after a year of experience.

Willynowei
10-28-2012, 02:17 PM
Cutler - 186 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 FUM lost.

Yeah, he's awesome!

Dude was sacked 4 times on his first 8 drop backs, 6 times in the first half and got hit so many times I'm not sure how he's walking, forget winning the game in the 4th with bruised ribs.

Get over your hate.

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 02:17 PM
Johnny Unitas with better wheels....and a cigarette in his mouth.

Stud.

For defenses who play against him and like to sack and turn over the QB. Total stud for them for sure.






But he lead his team to a win. So that is all that matters. ;D

CEH
10-28-2012, 02:17 PM
Culter needed another defensive TD to win a game.

Good luck with that mediorce offense when playoff time comes

Tice keeping Culter in check

enjolras
10-28-2012, 02:21 PM
Someone's bitter. Scoreboard...read it and weep.

Stop being such a 6.

theAPAOps5
10-28-2012, 02:21 PM
Stop being such a 6.

Or Cutlering, if you will! :wiggle:

SoCalBronco
10-28-2012, 02:23 PM
Stop being such a 6.

I'm a 9 dude. Speak for yourself.

;D

Play2win
10-28-2012, 02:24 PM
So you are happy about the AFC steelers winning? Interesting...

Why should I care. We're winning out...

Rocket 7
10-28-2012, 02:26 PM
I'm a 9 dude. Speak for yourself.

;D

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Play2win
10-28-2012, 02:27 PM
****ing hell man, the state of the Chargers. Losing credibility by the second, even if they grind out a win it's the Browns, should be obliterating them to have any credibility at all as a decent side.

Well played frown cannon btw, fantasy QB ftw :gus:

We broke the Chargers WILL.

We broke their will not just for the game, We broke the chargers will for the rest of the season.

Play2win
10-28-2012, 02:30 PM
I think we broke the chargers

LOL... you beat me to it.

I wonder if The Chargers will win a game for the rest of the season...

SoCalBronco
10-28-2012, 02:35 PM
Denver is living in SDs head.....rent free.

TonyR
10-28-2012, 02:40 PM
Get over your hate.

Well, to be fair, the Bears were at home against a bad team and barely won. And this is largely because their QB turned the ball over 3 times. Can't do that against mediocre teams, let alone good teams.

SoCalBronco
10-28-2012, 02:51 PM
To be fair Tony is actually giving his opinion and not hiding behind a linked article... so that's an improvement albeit a slight one.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 02:55 PM
there is the real overrated player in the NFL, no not Tebow.

Tony Romo, already 2 INTs and we are still in the 1st.

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 02:57 PM
there is the real overrated player in the NFL, no not Tebow.

Tony Romo, already 2 INTs and we are still in the 1st.

tony romo came in at #2 as the most overrated player. so it's not saying much that he's more overrated than tebow.

Willynowei
10-28-2012, 02:59 PM
Well, to be fair, the Bears were at home against a bad team and barely won. And this is largely because their QB turned the ball over 3 times. Can't do that against mediocre teams, let alone good teams.

There's not a team in the NFL that doesn't have bad games, Cutler scored 10 points (should've been 13) in the last quarter. That's impressive after getting the snot knocked out of him all game.

"to be fair" the kid is nearing 20 career comebacks/gametieing drives with literally no o-line for most of his career.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 03:00 PM
tony romo came in at #2 as the most overrated player. so it's not saying much that he's more overrated than tebow.

yeah well that 34% is greatly exaggerated by the fact that players hate that he gets all the endorsements. No one ever said Tebow was an amazing QB like they do about Romo.

Tebow is getting blamed for being marketable.

So yeah I get it that Romo came in 2nd but he is closer to 34% of the vote than Tebow is if we are going by who is the overrated ON THE FIELD PLAYER

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 03:01 PM
yeah well that 34% is greatly exaggerated by the fact that players hate that he gets all the endorsements. No one ever said Tebow was an amazing QB like they do about Romo.

Tebow is getting blamed for being marketable.
So yeah I get it that Romo came in 2nd but he is closer to 34% of the vote than Tebow is if we are going by who is the overrated ON THE FIELD PLAYERno,he's getting blamed for not being anywhere near as good as the hype makes him out to be.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 03:05 PM
no,he's getting blamed for not being anywhere near as good as the hype makes him out to be.


Ok i'll just put you in the Tebow "hater" crowd. I don't really go one way or the the other.

I think he knows how to win and he helped the broncos get as far as they did but I don't think he is this amazing QB.

Really don't want to argue. Shanny and Tebow are the most polarizing individuals on this board and it is wasted energy to even discuss them...

TonyR
10-28-2012, 03:06 PM
There's not a team in the NFL that doesn't have bad games, Cutler scored 10 points (should've been 13) in the last quarter. That's impressive after getting the snot knocked out of him all game.

"to be fair" the kid is nearing 20 career comebacks/gametieing drives with literally no o-line for most of his career.

Living in a media market that has Michael Vick as its QB this is pretty much the same thing said about him. Wins them some games, loses them some games. But often he's largely to blame for them being behind in the first place. No denying Cutler's, or Vick's, talent. But fan bases get tired of it when they catch on to the fact that turnovers lose football games, and that their QB does it too often.

HAT
10-28-2012, 03:12 PM
Dude was sacked 4 times on his first 8 drop backs, 6 times in the first half and got hit so many times I'm not sure how he's walking, forget winning the game in the 4th with bruised ribs.

Get over your hate.

It's not hate...It's utter joy that he's not a Bronco anymore.

baja
10-28-2012, 03:17 PM
I don't think you will find anyone posting here that doesn't think Cutler has skills.

baja
10-28-2012, 03:18 PM
Fumble in the red zone Raiders ball

baja
10-28-2012, 03:18 PM
muffed punt dropped a FC

Willynowei
10-28-2012, 03:22 PM
Living in a media market that has Michael Vick as its QB this is pretty much the same thing said about him. Wins them some games, loses them some games. But often he's largely to blame for them being behind in the first place. No denying Cutler's, or Vick's, talent. But fan bases get tired of it when they catch on to the fact that turnovers lose football games, and that their QB does it too often.

Bears are 27-6 w/ Cutler, 1-7 w/o him in the last 2 and a half seasons. Go look up the numbers for Vick, I doubt they are even close. I was in the minority saying Eli Manning was a great QB before his SB wins, and I like Cutler for the same reasons - he's willing to take chances and he's always improving. At somepoint he'll find that sweet spot of taking chances and taking care of the football.

Cutler4Life
10-28-2012, 03:22 PM
not sure if this is posted already, but Adam Schefter is reporting on FB: Michael Vick says Andy Reid is considering a change at QB...

Willynowei
10-28-2012, 03:23 PM
It's not hate...It's utter joy that he's not a Bronco anymore.

convenient thing to say considering we lucked out on getting Manning, if he went to San Fran, they'd be undefeated and shoe-ins for the Superbowl. I would rather not have had the league's worst record and the worst record in Denver history in those couple years that McDonald's ran the team.

RedskinBronco
10-28-2012, 03:24 PM
not sure if this is posted already, but Adam Schefter is reporting on FB: Michael Vick says Andy Reid is considering a change at QB...

An anonymous eagles management source said they were struggling with this because it would signal a rebuild which they weren't ready for but now may be the time.

The giants aren't that good, it's just that eagles, cowboys and skins are all fail right now.

baja
10-28-2012, 03:26 PM
cassel getting killed

FrankieTwoThumbs
10-28-2012, 04:13 PM
I don't think you will find anyone posting here that doesn't think Cutler has skills.

No doubt. And he seems to have the same issues as most other qb's who build their game around athletic skills.

2KBack
10-28-2012, 05:08 PM
convenient thing to say considering we lucked out on getting Manning, if he went to San Fran, they'd be undefeated and shoe-ins for the Superbowl. I would rather not have had the league's worst record and the worst record in Denver history in those couple years that McDonald's ran the team.

Hyperbole much?

peacepipe
10-28-2012, 06:20 PM
Ok i'll just put you in the Tebow "hater" crowd. I don't really go one way or the the other.

I think he knows how to win and he helped the broncos get as far as they did but I don't think he is this amazing QB.

Really don't want to argue. Shanny and Tebow are the most polarizing individuals on this board and it is wasted energy to even discuss them...

tebow realist.