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Irish Stout
10-26-2012, 10:31 AM
If this story continues to develop in this fashion, what exactly does it meant?

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by U.S. officials -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQJMVMnH

I'm not sure that any of this is necessarily any worse than "black hawk down" under Clinton or a handful of incidents under Bush... but the response by the Whitehouse has created a firestorm of accusations... and more really could be uncovered based on this Fox News report.

Rohirrim
10-26-2012, 10:39 AM
If this story continues to develop in this fashion, what exactly does it meant?



I'm not sure that any of this is necessarily any worse than "black hawk down" under Clinton or a handful of incidents under Bush... but the response by the Whitehouse has created a firestorm of accusations.

I hope this proves to be untrue. Not responding when fellow Americans are under fire is a treasonous act, AFAIC.

Garcia Bronco
10-26-2012, 10:53 AM
I hope this proves to be untrue. Not responding when fellow Americans are under fire is a treasonous act, AFAIC.

I agree....I hope it's not true.

Irish Stout
10-26-2012, 10:56 AM
One thing I would like to point out in all of this that I didn't realize until today. The Bengahzi attack was not actually on a Consulate and there was and is not a consulate in Bangahzi. The building was just a meeting place and thus why there was no security. You'd think if the Obama administration was really trying to down play the attacks they would bring this up.

However, as WND was first to report, the building was not a consulate and at no point functioned as one. Instead, the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi served as a meeting place to coordinate aid for the rebel-led insurgencies in the Middle East, according to Middle Eastern security officials.

Among the tasks performed inside the building was collaborating with Arab countries on the recruitment of fighters – including jihadists – to target Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria.

The distinction may help explain why there was no major public security presence at what has been described as a “consulate.” Such a presence would draw attention to the shabby, nondescript building that was allegedly used for such sensitive purposes.

Since the mission was attacked last month, countless news media reports around the world have referred to the obscure post as a U.S. consulate. That theme continues to permeate the media, with articles daily referencing a “consulate” in Benghazi.

U.S. officials have been more careful in their rhetoric while not contradicting the media narrative that a consulate was attacked.

In his remarks on the attack, Obama has referred to the Benghazi post as a “U.S. mission.” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has similarly called the post a “mission.”

A consulate typically refers to the building that officially houses a consul, who is the official representatives of the government of one state in the territory of another. The U.S. consul in Libya, Jenny Cordell, works out of the embassy in Tripoli.http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/now-reuters-contradicts-itself-on-benghazi-attacks/

http://www.usembassy.gov

baja
10-26-2012, 11:11 AM
Now I get it. There some dirty little secrets going on at the 'mission' that must not be revealed . So much so that the WH is willing to absorb the political fall out the cover story is bring days before the election. Must be some sensitive shiit.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-26-2012, 12:19 PM
well this is very interesting
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it wasnt a embassy for starters
oh this government they are the kansas city chiefs of governments

Rohirrim
10-26-2012, 12:22 PM
Now I get it. There some dirty little secrets going on at the 'mission' that must not be revealed . So much so that the WH is willing to absorb the political fall out the cover story is bring days before the election. Must be some sensitive shiit.

That's probably a pretty good explanation for it. Obviously, the CIA is involved. ???

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-26-2012, 12:39 PM
is it time for a overhaul of the gov from the white house to the cia fbi Secretary of state . this current government is inept . i hope Romney can fix it if not its time to vote 3rd party

pricejj
10-26-2012, 01:02 PM
Now I get it. There some dirty little secrets going on at the 'mission' that must not be revealed . So much so that the WH is willing to absorb the political fall out the cover story is bring days before the election. Must be some sensitive shiit.



Obama sold guns to the Libyan rebels, and as usual, they ended up in the wrong hands (i.e. Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda), and were used to kill Americans.

Sounds eerily familiar to Fast and Furious.

W*GS
10-26-2012, 02:23 PM
Reagan sold guns to the Afghan rebels, and as usual, they ended up in the wrong hands (i.e. Taliban), and were used to kill Americans.

Fixed it for ya.

Irish Stout
10-26-2012, 02:27 PM
Obama sold guns to the Libyan rebels, and as usual, they ended up in the wrong hands (i.e. Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda), and were used to kill Americans.

Sounds eerily familiar to Fast and Furious.

Also sounds eerily familiar to what every Presidential admin has done since... 1930 or so.... because you know, thats exactly what they've done.

pricejj
10-26-2012, 03:22 PM
Also sounds eerily familiar to what every Presidential admin has done since... 1930 or so.... because you know, thats exactly what they've done.

I don't know if that's true, but it's obvious that you don't have a problem with it, as long as a Democrat is President.

Irish Stout
10-26-2012, 03:29 PM
I don't know if that's true, but it's obvious that you don't have a problem with it, as long as a Democrat is President.

I don't like it now, I didn't like it under Clinton, Bush or Reagan. That being said, it has been the policy of the US for a long time.

pricejj
10-26-2012, 03:44 PM
I don't like it now, I didn't like it under Clinton, Bush or Reagan. That being said, it has been the policy of the US for a long time.

It's a failed foreign policy, is what it is.


I can't believe people still support Obama after fast and furious. I would never support a President who sold guns to terrorist groups, who used those guns to kill Americans on U.S. soil. That's outrageous...I don't care what party they represent.

Rohirrim
10-26-2012, 04:13 PM
It's a failed foreign policy, is what it is.


I can't believe people still support Obama after fast and furious. I would never support a President who sold guns to terrorist groups, who used those guns to kill Americans on U.S. soil. That's outrageous...I don't care what party they represent.

If Romney is elected, he'll do it too.

TonyR
10-26-2012, 04:18 PM
...I can't believe people still support...

And yet you support a guy who passed MassCare, and who changes his positions on just about every issue to fit the need and audience. Which Mitt are you voting for? The far right wing neocon who won the GOP nomination and made Paul Ryan his running mate? Or the moderate who basically took all of Obama's positions during the debates? I mean, have you been paying attention at all? Or are you just too busy searching for reasons to bash Obama at every turn? You know who you're voting against, but I don't think you have a clue who/what you're voting for. Which I think is the case with an awful lot of people voting for that fraud.

mhgaffney
10-26-2012, 04:28 PM
It's a failed foreign policy, is what it is.


I can't believe people still support Obama after fast and furious. I would never support a President who sold guns to terrorist groups, who used those guns to kill Americans on U.S. soil. That's outrageous...I don't care what party they represent.

Yes, but curious you fail to mention -- we've had a failed foreign policy for at least the last 50 years.

It failed under LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush one, Clinton, and Bush two.

Obama is simply carrying on a proud legacy.

MHG

pricejj
10-26-2012, 04:30 PM
If Romney is elected, he'll do it too.

I don't think Romney would sell guns to Libya or Mexico. There is nothing to gain in either situation...and as we've already seen, so much to lose.

Romney has also stated that he would sell arms to Syrian rebels. Obama has not been forthright at all, in any of his dealings. It is also not clear what the benefit of selling guns to Mexican drug gangs would be. In fact, the real reason Obama did it...is far more sinister, but I suspect you know that.

pricejj
10-26-2012, 04:33 PM
Yes, but curious you fail to mention -- we've had a failed foreign policy for at least the last 50 years.

It failed under LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush one, Clinton, and Bush two.

Obama is simply carrying on a proud legacy.

MHG

Of course...which is why I've campaigned heavily against ALL of their failed foreign policies.

However, this election is not just about a usurpation of human rights worldwide (which Obama has been paramount in destroying), it is also about a usurpation of human rights, here in the U.S., which we all know have been encroached upon from every angle under the Obama administration.

TonyR
10-26-2012, 04:35 PM
...it is also about a usurpation of human rights...

You mean like the torture policy which Obama reversed, and Romney would reinstate? That type of "human rights"?

TonyR
10-26-2012, 04:37 PM
which is why I've campaigned heavily against ALL of their failed foreign policies.

LOL You mean like the policies that Romney basically puppeted in the last debate? Again, have you been paying attention at all?

pricejj
10-26-2012, 04:37 PM
And yet you support a guy who passed MassCare, and who changes his positions on just about every issue to fit the need and audience. Which Mitt are you voting for? The far right wing neocon who won the GOP nomination and made Paul Ryan his running mate? Or the moderate who basically took all of Obama's positions during the debates?

That's funny that you claim Romney and Ryan are "far right necons". It shows me just how much of an extremist you really are. Tell me, pray tell, what makes Romney or Ryan "far right neocons" in any regard whatsoever?

Methinks, doth thou protest too much...

pricejj
10-26-2012, 04:40 PM
You mean like the torture policy which Obama reversed, and Romney would reinstate? That type of "human rights"?

Bogus claim. BTW, I thought Obama was going to close Guantanamo? What happened to that?

Why is Obama bombing Yemen?

Why is Obama drone bombing innocent civilians in Pakistan?

Why has the Obama administration initiated sanctions against Eritrea?

Why has the Obama administration supported destabilization in Somalia leading to 100,000 of thousands of deaths and refugees?

Why are we still in Afghanistan?

Why did Obama try to get more forces into Iraq, only to be rebuffed by the Iraqi government?

Actually I haven't heard a peep from you, or any of your other Socialist buddies on any of these subjects for the past four years, so you have no room to talk, hypocrite.

TonyR
10-26-2012, 04:41 PM
That's funny that you claim Romney and Ryan are "far right necons". It shows me just how much of an extremist you really are. Tell me, pray tell, what makes Romney or Ryan "far right neocons" in any regard whatsoever?

Methinks, doth thou protest too much...

It's clear you have all of the anti-Obama talking points down pat, but otherwise haven't bothered to pay attention. An ignorant, willing victim of the right wing propaganda machine.

Read this. Just one recent example of something you appear to have no awareness of.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/heilbrunn-neocons-idUSL1E8LMFS620121022

pricejj
10-26-2012, 04:46 PM
It's clear you have all of the anti-Obama talking points down pat, but otherwise haven't bother to pay attention. An ignorant, willing victim of the right wing propaganda machine.

Read this. Just one recent example of something you appear to have no awareness of.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/heilbrunn-neocons-idUSL1E8LMFS620121022

More "neocon" claims? When Obama has followed the exact same foreign policy of Bush...except Obama has ESCALATED the killings against innocent civilians?

You have absolutely NO credibility on foreign policy whatsoever. I guess it's okay with you if Obama kills innocent civilians huh?

And no, I don't think Romney will go to the extents that Obama has, to purposely destablize local governments, and/or kill innocent civilians. You would not believe the amount of chaos that Obama has created in the world.

Save a life, vote for Romney.

pricejj
10-26-2012, 04:48 PM
...

I will pose the question one more time: WHAT makes Romney/Ryan "far right neocons" in any regard whatsoever? That was your statement, so answer the question.

pricejj
10-26-2012, 04:51 PM
Anyone who is against Obama's Socialist take-over, are "far right neocons" in your Marxian fantasy land, is that right tonyr the extremist?

baja
10-26-2012, 04:52 PM
It's a failed foreign policy, is what it is.


I can't believe people still support Obama after fast and furious. I would never support a President who sold guns to terrorist groups, who used those guns to kill Americans on U.S. soil. That's outrageous...I don't care what party they represent.

The world of apple pie cooling on the window ledge and dad hugging the aproned misses standing in the kitchen before he saunters off the work are gone.

The world has become a more complicated place. Well it's always been complicated but now the stakes are higher.

In my youth if you crossed with someone a poke in the nose was the likely extent of it now flip someone off in traffic you risk getting shot. That's a lot of stress to pack around.

TonyR
10-26-2012, 04:55 PM
I will pose the question one more time: WHAT makes Romney/Ryan "far right neocons" in any regard whatsoever? That was your statement, so answer the question.

Did you read the article I posted?

Spider
10-26-2012, 04:59 PM
Obama sold guns to the Libyan rebels, and as usual, they ended up in the wrong hands (i.e. Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda), and were used to kill Americans.

Sounds eerily familiar to Fast and Furious.

dont you ever get tired of being an idiot ?

Rohirrim
10-26-2012, 05:39 PM
Anyone who is against Obama's Socialist take-over, are "far right neocons" in your Marxian fantasy land, is that right tonyr the extremist?

Socialist takeover? Do you ever get within smelling distance of reality?

pricejj
10-26-2012, 06:56 PM
Did you read the article I posted?

I read the Obama propaganda piece disguised as an article you posted. It's hogwash, considering Obama has killed plenty innocent civilians.

Obama expanded the war on terror, he expanded drone surveillance into drone bombings, he expanded the debt by $5T (which is a record), and he signed into law a mandate which would require all of us to purchase an overpriced, unnecessary private product.

Why do you fail to mention of the FAR more dangerous neo-liberal agenda? I see you are not a fan of Dick Cheney, but you do realize the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 right? What would you have done? Sit idly by?

What did Eritrea ever do? What did Somalia ever do? What did Yemen ever do? Why would Obama destabilize or invade them? What did he hope to gain by supplying guns to the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya? What did he hope to gain by supplying guns to Mexican drug gangs? Not only were all those decisions pre-emptive in nature, but they were all misguided, and irresponsible.

pricejj
10-26-2012, 06:59 PM
Socialist takeover? Do you ever get within smelling distance of reality?

What would you call the individual mandate, the taxpayer-funded bailouts of too big to fail banks, and the unionized auto industry?

What would you call Obama's support of government ran healthcare?

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

TonyR
10-26-2012, 09:48 PM
I read the Obama propaganda piece disguised as an article you posted. It's hogwash, considering Obama has killed plenty innocent civilians.

Obama expanded the war on terror, he expanded drone surveillance into drone bombings, he expanded the debt by $5T (which is a record), and he signed into law a mandate which would require all of us to purchase an overpriced, unnecessary private product.

Why do you fail to mention of the FAR more dangerous neo-liberal agenda? I see you are not a fan of Dick Cheney, but you do realize the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 right? What would you have done? Sit idly by?

What did Eritrea ever do? What did Somalia ever do? What did Yemen ever do? Why would Obama destabilize or invade them? What did he hope to gain by supplying guns to the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya? What did he hope to gain by supplying guns to Mexican drug gangs? Not only were all those decisions pre-emptive in nature, but they were all misguided, and irresponsible.

Dear lord you're unhinged...

A "propaganda piece"? Why, because you don't agree with it?

Yes, Obama "expanded" the "war on terror" in some respects. Why? Because that's the war this country was/is actually fighting.

What should Dick Cheney and the rest of the neocons done? Hmm, how about understanding Iraq and the middle east, and having a plan for the occupation, before the invasion.

As for comparing Eritrea, Somalia, Libya, and Mexico with Iraq, and what might go down with Iran, well, that's just silly and stupid. As are you.

Vegas_Bronco
10-26-2012, 10:00 PM
Hilary wants to kick Baraq's azz right now...this is going to get messy. Sad story - one of the toughest decisions they have made today. This really makes us look weak and passive on terror....exact opposite to Obama's statements in the debates.

Vegas_Bronco
10-26-2012, 10:02 PM
I will pose the question one more time: WHAT makes Romney/Ryan "far right neocons" in any regard whatsoever? That was your statement, so answer the question.

It gives them something to argue...simply because there isn't much to show for the past 4 years. Their president has tried, but failed to bring forward a respectable term...guess he was too transparent with his real priorities and not wise enough to hide them amongst other motions.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-27-2012, 06:08 AM
Bengahzi story = just another fail by the usual right-wing swift boat goons...

GOP's Benghazi Smoking Gun Goes Up in Smoke


—By Adam Serwer (http://www.motherjones.com/authors/adam-serwer)
Thu Oct. 25, 2012 8:12 AM PDT

http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_16/clintonlibya425x320.jpg

A set of State Department emails were released Wednesday, one reporting that a local Islamist militia had claimed responsibility for the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed four Americans, including the US ambassador to Libya, conservatives thought they had the smoking gun that the Obama administration had lied about what had occurred.

Reuters reported Wednesday (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-usa-benghazi-emails-idUSBRE89N02C20121024) that on September 11—the day of the attack—a State Department email with the subject header "Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack" was sent to the White House. The message stated that "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli." Case closed, conservatives said: The White House had engaged in a cover-up.

"[T]he president and his advisers repeatedly told us the attack was spontaneous reaction to the anti-Muslim video and that it lacked information suggesting it was a terrorist assault," wrote Jennifer Rubin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/white-house-e-mails-blow-up-its-libya-cover-story/2012/10/24/713ed4e6-1d8e-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_blog.html?wprss=rss_right-turn), president of the Washington Post's Mitt Romney fan club.

"Bottom line? Barack Obama was willfully and knowingly lying to the American people," wrote Danielle Pletka (http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/10/lies-scandal-and-politics-benghazi/), vice president for foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute. (Of course, the idea that the video played a role is not inconsistent with the idea that the attack was an "act of terror," a phrase the president himself used to describe the attack (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/why-romney-screwed-libya) in the days following the incident.)

There's only one problem—well, actually, there are many, but one big one: The email appears to have been incorrect. Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi, the group suspected of attacking the consulate, never claimed responsibility for the assault. In fact, according to Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who monitors jihadist activity online, Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi didn't post about the attack on its Facebook or Twitter page until September 12, the day after the attack. They expressed their approval of the incident, but they didn't take credit; they did imply members of the group might have been involved, according to Zelin, stating, "Katibat Ansar al-Sharia as a military did not participate formally/officially and not by direct orders." The statement also justifies the attack by implicitly alluding to the anti-Islam video linked to unrest in other parts of the Middle East, saying, "We commend the Libyan Muslim people in Benghazi [that were] against the attack on the [Muslim] Prophet [Muhammad]."

"It is possible staffers were mistaken in the heat of the moment," wrote Zelin in an email to [I]Mother Jones. "Not only was there no statement from ASB until the following morning, but it did not claim responsibility." (Zelin provided Mother Jones with screenshots of AAS's Twitter feed and Facebook page, which he also provided to CNN (http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/24/doubts-surface-over-e-mail-on-claim-of-responsibility-for-benghazi-attack/). It's possible the posts could have been deleted, but there's no way to prove that.)

Even if the State Department email had been accurate, conservatives pounced on it eagerly without underlying corroboration, thereby providing a pretty good example of how complicated intelligence analysis can be and why it's a bad idea to simply jump on a piece of information that fits your preconceived biases. The email was just one piece of information gathered in the aftermath of the attack. While the White House's initial explanation that the attack had begun as a protest turned out to be wrong, the email itself doesn't bear on two of the major remaining questions: what role the video played and whether the attack was planned or spontaneous.

You'd think that this would be obvious, but in the future it's a good idea to remember that just because someone posts something on Facebook, that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Even better: Just because someone said someone posted something on Facebook doesn't mean it's true. Even if you really, really want it to be.

elsid13
10-27-2012, 06:42 AM
I hope this proves to be untrue. Not responding when fellow Americans are under fire is a treasonous act, AFAIC.

No it wasn't a treasonous act but the correct tactical decision. Only in the movies does a undermanned lightly armed force attack and "win" against prepared larger force. The on the ground American response force didn't have either surprise, support fire or preparation to engage or win against this terrorist force. The correct action was to regroup, consolidate defense positions and prepare for follow-on attack (which they did). If they attempted to rush to the rescue of 4 Americans left at the other facility we would most likely be grieving over the lost of 26 additional American lives.

Spider
10-27-2012, 06:48 AM
No it wasn't a treasonous act but the correct tactical decision. Only in the movies does a undermanned lightly armed force attack and "win" against prepared larger force. The on the ground American response force didn't have either surprise, support fire or preparation to engage or win against this terrorist force. The correct action was to regroup, consolidate defense positions and prepare for follow-on attack (which they did). If they attempted to rush to the rescue of 4 Americans left at the other facility we would most likely be grieving over the lost of 26 additional American lives.

thats just crazy talk ....next thing you will be saying is ....Rambo isnt real

elsid13
10-27-2012, 06:52 AM
thats just crazy talk ....next thing you will be saying is ....Rambo isnt real

That going to be my October "surprise" to DramaLlama and Trump. :wiggle:

Spider
10-27-2012, 07:01 AM
That going to be my October "surprise" to DramaLlama and Trump. :wiggle:

LOL that drama lama. is one whacky mofo ....I guess hr goes and goes until he ruins a screen name then comes up with a new one ...Then expects everyone to think he has a clue ...LOL. as for the Donald he has gone batshiat crazy

Rohirrim
10-27-2012, 07:08 AM
No it wasn't a treasonous act but the correct tactical decision. Only in the movies does a undermanned lightly armed force attack and "win" against prepared larger force. The on the ground American response force didn't have either surprise, support fire or preparation to engage or win against this terrorist force. The correct action was to regroup, consolidate defense positions and prepare for follow-on attack (which they did). If they attempted to rush to the rescue of 4 Americans left at the other facility we would most likely be grieving over the lost of 26 additional American lives.

Spoken like a diplomat. I was in the infantry. It doesn't matter how many. When your buddies are under fire, you back them up. Period. Anyway, we're not talking about highly trained forces here. If some special forces guys show up and start laying down focused fields of fire on these little ****heads, I guarantee you, they run.

elsid13
10-27-2012, 09:16 AM
Spoken like a diplomat. I was in the infantry. It doesn't matter how many. When your buddies are under fire, you back them up. Period. Anyway, we're not talking about highly trained forces here. If some special forces guys show up and start laying down focused fields of fire on these little ****heads, I guarantee you, they run.

Roh,

We both know that we aren't talking about SF unit that has trained together and mission is to take it to bad guys. We are talking a mixed PMA unit that been geared to provide diplomatic security. It also appears we are talking about 10 out 26 individual were actually trained operators with experience, while the rest we either diplomats or Intel analysts.

When operational command order them to stand still based upon live feeds from two unarmed UAVs, then most likely it was the right call. Especially when they are facing 100 plus fighters that are high on "victory" and still have intact command and control. Remember lesson #1 tactical thinking is never attempt to reinforce a defeat.

ant1999e
10-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Roh,

We both know that we aren't talking about SF unit that has trained together and mission is to take it to bad guys. We are talking a mixed PMA unit that been geared to provide diplomatic security. It also appears we are talking about 10 out 26 individual were actually trained operators with experience, while the rest we either diplomats or Intel analysts.

When operational command order them to stand still based upon live feeds from two unarmed UAVs, then most likely it was the right call. Especially when they are facing 100 plus fighters that are high on "victory" and still have intact command and control. Remember lesson #1 tactical thinking is never attempt to reinforce a defeat.

I think you truly are "lost in space". When even the libs are disagreeing with you, that's gotta tell you something.

ant1999e
10-27-2012, 09:45 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ” So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?

ant1999e
10-27-2012, 09:47 AM
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331816/petraeus-v-obama-jonah-goldberg#

Petraeus v. Obama
By Jonah Goldberg
October 27, 2012 10:54 A.M.
Bill Kristol suggests that it had to be a decision by Obama himself not to help the Americans under siege in Benghazi and that David Petraeus is signaling exactly that with the CIA’s emphatic denial that the decision came from his shop. If that’s true, at what point does Petraeus have to speak out? If the reports are true, I think you can make the case that Petraeus should resign in protest. But that’s based somewhat on speculation about what I think happened. I don’t know for sure. Petraeus does.

Meanwhile, the politics are less important than the merits of this scandal. But merits aside, if Petraeus wants to run for president some day (presumably as a Republican), working for Obama is a surmountable problem. Being part of a cover-up of this kind of scandal in the October before an election? Not so much.

pricejj
10-27-2012, 12:16 PM
A "propaganda piece"? Why, because you don't agree with it?

Yes, Obama "expanded" the "war on terror" in some respects. Why? Because that's the war this country was/is actually fighting.

Obama has irresponsibly started multiple unauthorized wars, on multiple fronts, destabilizing the entire region, and putting millions of lives at risk, while killing innocent civilians.. Yet you trump up fear over Romney?


What should Dick Cheney and the rest of the neocons done? Hmm, how about understanding Iraq and the middle east, and having a plan for the occupation, before the invasion.

Obama lost significantly more troops in Afghanistan, than were lost in Bush's entire 8 year term. Obama has shown NO understanding in the middle east...as the spreading chaos shows. Creating destability is not a good thing, and does not indicate that Obama "knows what he's doing". In fact, it proves the exact opposite.


As for comparing Eritrea, Somalia, Libya, and Mexico with Iraq, and what might go down with Iran, well, that's just silly and stupid. As are you.

All encompass Obama's foreign policy, and all are failures. You're insults are typical and matter to no one.

W*GS
10-27-2012, 12:19 PM
Obama has irresponsibly started multiple unauthorized wars, on multiple fronts, destabilizing the entire region, and putting millions of lives at risk, while killing innocent civilians..

What "multiple wars" has Obama started?

Bronco Bob
10-27-2012, 01:00 PM
Obama lost significantly more troops in Afghanistan, than were lost in Bush's entire 8 year term.

Of course. Bush abandoned Afghanistan to fight a needless war in Iraq.
When Obama decided to go back and fight the real enemy in Afghanistan he
sent in a lot more soldiers. More soldiers fighting more battles means more
are going to get killed. By the same token a lot less soldier died in Iraq
under Obama than did while Bush was president, because less soldiers were
fighting in Iraq.

Rohirrim
10-27-2012, 01:09 PM
Obama has irresponsibly started multiple unauthorized wars, on multiple fronts, destabilizing the entire region, and putting millions of lives at risk, while killing innocent civilians.. Yet you trump up fear over Romney?



Obama lost significantly more troops in Afghanistan, than were lost in Bush's entire 8 year term. Obama has shown NO understanding in the middle east...as the spreading chaos shows. Creating destability is not a good thing, and does not indicate that Obama "knows what he's doing". In fact, it proves the exact opposite.



All encompass Obama's foreign policy, and all are failures. You're insults are typical and matter to no one.

You are hopelessly uninformed.

TonyR
10-27-2012, 01:57 PM
What "multiple wars" has Obama started?

LOL Right?!? pricejj is in full clown mode.

pricejj
10-27-2012, 02:51 PM
What "multiple wars" has Obama started?

Libya - without Congressional authorization
Military action in Yemen - without Congressional authorization
Dispatched troops to Uganda - without Congressional authorization
Drone Bombings in Somalia - without Congressional authorization
Drone Bombings in Pakistan - without Congressional authorization, and without Pakistan's approval

TonyR
10-27-2012, 02:54 PM
Libya - without Congressional authorization
Military action in Yemen - without Congressional authorization
Dispatched troops to Uganda - without Congressional authorization
Drone Bombings in Somalia - without Congressional authorization
Drone Bombings in Pakistan - without Congressional authorization, and without Pakistan's approval

Now tell us, clownjj: how many of these 5 that you listed are "wars"?

pricejj
10-27-2012, 05:00 PM
Now tell us, clownjj: how many of these 5 that you listed are "wars"?

This conversation is over. Once you start stooping to insults, it's obvious you have nothing. I'm out.

ant1999e
10-27-2012, 05:04 PM
First the state dept. And now the CIA. everyone's backing away from this mess.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-27-2012, 06:33 PM
This conversation is over. Once you start stooping to insults, it's obvious you have nothing. I'm out.

Way to dodge the question.

Jetmeck
10-27-2012, 11:57 PM
is it time for a overhaul of the gov from the white house to the cia fbi Secretary of state . this current government is inept . i hope Romney can fix it if not its time to vote 3rd party

Putting Bush 3.0 in would hardly help and raher stupid to think so since his policies and even advisors are identical.

Story broke on FOX NEWS.........ENOUGH said until some REAL facts come out.

Jetmeck
10-27-2012, 11:58 PM
This conversation is over. Once you start stooping to insults, it's obvious you have nothing. I'm out.


You haven't had anything, ever.............get out now before the sucking sound begins Nov. 6th. Go ahead beat the rush.

Jetmeck
10-27-2012, 11:59 PM
Now tell us, clownjj: how many of these 5 that you listed are "wars"?

lol, what a guy. He really likes Romney doesn't he ? Willing to change the facts or just BS his way along.

Spider
10-28-2012, 12:50 AM
Libya - without Congressional authorization
Military action in Yemen - without Congressional authorization
Dispatched troops to Uganda - without Congressional authorization
Drone Bombings in Somalia - without Congressional authorization
Drone Bombings in Pakistan - without Congressional authorization, and without Pakistan's approval

those are not wars you dumbass ...you can get all butthurt cry foul. over name calling but if you dont like the insults for crying out loud stop posting bullshiat

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 01:29 AM
well obama isnt the answer either so ill go with rommy boy for now then let see what happens in 4 cant be worst than odummy now can it

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-28-2012, 07:09 AM
well obama isnt the answer either so ill go with rommy boy for now then let see what happens in 4 cant be worst than odummy now can it

So, you want to put the same crooks back in power who go us into this mess in the first place?

That's insane. :crazy:

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DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 08:37 AM
i think abc news broke the story of the attack on the embassy which fyi isnt a embassy somebody screwed up no it wasnt the republicans,they wasnt in charge nor in the white house .the people there kept asking for help and was denied 3 times . i dont know what iraq and 9-11-2001 have to do with lybia . im going to guess nothing. nor do i know why they days after kept insisting it was a video that set them off. when they had the true facts days after, but hey keep changing the subject and hinting the US gov did 9-11, oh one more thing condi rice said we should wait until all the facts came out before placing blame LABF

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 09:10 AM
So, you want to put the same crooks back in power who go us into this mess in the first place?

That's insane. :crazy:

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So they supplied Libya and helped over throw the government there .then when those people on the ground requested help they was denied 3 times by the republicans , and that republican in the white house ,
perhaps we shouldn't take out foreign government with out inserting someone sane as a replacement , also dont you think when you see Alkaida flags going up all over one should beef up security.
im still voting romney he is from mass btw a liberal state someplace back east.
dont think hes that far right. he did implement mass health care but promising to get rid of obamas ver of it and work on something thatll work for the whole country that people will approve of also i dont think he is going to make the price of gas electricity sky high nor print money like its going out of style

baja
10-28-2012, 09:13 AM
So they supplied Libya and helped over throw the government there .then when those people on the ground requested help they was denied 3 times by the republicans , and that republican in the white house ,
perhaps we shouldn't take out foreign government with out inserting someone sane as a replacement , also dont you think when you see Alkaida flags going up all over one should beef up security.
im still voting romney he is from mass btw a liberal state someplace back east.
dont think hes that far right. he did implement mass health care but promising to get rid of obamas ver of it and work on something thatll work for the whole country that people will approve of also i dont think he is going to make the price of gas electricity sky high nor print money like its going out of style

What republican in the white house? Did I miss something?

Spider
10-28-2012, 09:40 AM
well obama isnt the answer either so ill go with rommy boy for now then let see what happens in 4 cant be worst than odummy now can it

Obama is a hellva lot better then Romney .... How in the hell can someone support a guy that changes. his position on so many issues so many times is beyond me ...1 or 2 issues I could understand even say he is moving to the center...but romney just agrees with whatever is popular that week ...cant. stomache a man like that and that is no leader in my eyes

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 11:25 AM
ok obama been in the white house for what 4 years when he does something great hey good job obama when something goes bad ie Libya its republicans bush conservatives fault and then you somehow connect 9-11 to bush toss cute cartoons up say fox news is lying ect while ignoring the stuff that happen because of obama like alkaida taking over lybia or so it seems . im votin for romney at least he will repeal obama care and hopefully just tinker with the system we got in place

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 11:48 AM
and yalls act or some of you act like bush is still running the country still according to LABF that must be the case he keeps harping on 9-11 iraq 9-11-2001 that is i got a few questions why dont yalls answer them or just say dunno if you cant

1. when this consulate was attacked and they called the cia or whoever and said they was being attacked why didnt someone send in air support or reinforcements when it was requested 3 times over ?

2. in regard to question 1 i herd that on fox news they requested help from their higher ups and was denied 3 times was that a lie by fox news ?

3.can you show me the tax code from the IRS that says businesses get tax breaks for moving companies overseas it must be from the IRS not some blog or obama talking point i did hear there is a general tax law that gives some sort of break to companies that move as a business expense

4. why didnt obama let congress vote on Obama care you know the i think 2/3rd majority has to vote on a bill to make it law

5. was 3 a lie by fox news is 4 a lie too?

6. did Obama ever said he would bankrupt the coal industry or was that a lie by fox news again ?

7. is cake a lie is it really pie ?

8. will spider go to hell for questioning the abilities of the QB saint known as Tebow <-- sorry had to throw that in multi acct boy

that is all feel free to get upset at me and call me maybe a idiot or what have you bonus points if you get very mad and type in caps xtra credit if you bust ya monitor up : )

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 11:49 AM
gosh that was a too long post also i post too much on the same post dont i it almost looks like im spamming bad habit my bad

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 03:11 PM
What republican in the white house? Did I miss something?

oh just being as silly as the far left they keep thinking everything bad is bushes fault thats all

Arkie
10-28-2012, 04:55 PM
those are not wars you dumbass ...you can get all butthurt cry foul. over name calling but if you dont like the insults for crying out loud stop posting bullshiat

All of those military operations are part of the War on Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror).

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-28-2012, 05:58 PM
gee why hasnt any libs answered post no 68 .
also spider you soulless tebow hating limp wristed LIBERAL
YOU GOING TO HELL LOL you will never get to white man heaven run by Ronald Reagan
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Mecklomaniac
10-30-2012, 08:19 PM
Banned from facebook

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DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-30-2012, 08:33 PM
Obama is a hellva lot better then Romney .... How in the hell can someone support a guy that changes. his position on so many issues so many times is beyond me ...1 or 2 issues I could understand even say he is moving to the center...but romney just agrees with whatever is popular that week ...cant. stomache a man like that and that is no leader in my eyes

oh you shush you dirty commie tebow hater lol

ScottXray
10-30-2012, 11:03 PM
gee why hasnt any libs answered post no 68 .
also spider you soulless tebow hating limp wristed LIBERAL
YOU GOING TO HELL LOL you will never get to white man heaven run by Ronald Reagan<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jRNCpD3xhsY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

OMFG.....are you serious about ANYthing you say or are you just here to provide an irritating comic relief?

I must admit some of your takes are funny...like a dog licking his balls when you have a dinner party or the dog humping the guests leg.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:18 AM
OMFG.....are you serious about ANYthing you say or are you just here to provide an irritating comic relief?

I must admit some of your takes are funny...like a dog licking his balls when you have a dinner party or the dog humping the guests leg.

this is a A & B conversation C your way out tyvm you dont like it hit the ignore button .
you idiots take yourselves way too seriously you need to loosen up

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:18 AM
Banned from facebook

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Screen-Shot-2012-10-30-at-7.43.56-PM.png

sadly true

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:20 AM
also i really cant get motivated to debate spider i just like the damn fool too much he is soo entertaining
and this is silly but when he wasnt around near the start of the season i was worried that a -hole died or something he made the OM more entertaining
i think of spider as the Obama side A-hole and im the romney A-hole

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:25 AM
oh in case you forgot bidens classless remark
Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods, called into “The Glenn Beck Program” on TheBlazeTV Thursday and recounted his interactions with the president, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Biden at the ceremony for the Libya victims at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. He told host Glenn Beck that what they told him, coupled with new reports that indicate the Obama administration knew very good and well, almost immediately, that a terrorist attack was occurring in Benghazi, make him certain that the American people are not getting the whole truth.
Vice President Biden, as he has become known to do, reportedly made a wildly inappropriate comment to the father who had just lost his hero son.
Woods said Biden came over to his family and asked in a “loud and boisterous” voice, “Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?”

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-31-2012, 06:16 AM
^

LOL @ you thinking Glenn Beck is a credible source. :laugh:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 09:05 AM
^

LOL @ you thinking Glenn Beck is a credible source. :laugh:

lol @ you thinking that dead heros father is a lyar you must be proud of yourself

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 09:12 AM
Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods, called into “The Glenn Beck Program” on TheBlazeTV Thursday and recounted his interactions with the president, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Biden at the ceremony for the Libya victims at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. He told host Glenn Beck that what they told him, coupled with new reports that indicate the Obama administration knew very good and well, almost immediately, that a terrorist attack was occurring in Benghazi, make him certain that the American people are not getting the whole truth.
Vice President Biden, as he has become known to do, reportedly made a wildly inappropriate comment to the father who had just lost his hero son.
Woods said Biden came over to his family and asked in a “loud and boisterous” voice, “Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?”




LABF is calling Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods a lyar

LABF does not believe Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods


LABF IS CALLING Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods A LYAR IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HE IS A LYAR

WILL YOU SAY HERE ON THE OM FOR EVERYONE TO SEE THAT YOU LABF IS CALLING
Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods A LYAR

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-31-2012, 10:26 AM
^

L0L! :laugh:

So, in other words, your "evidence" amounts to the word of Glenn Beck.

You're a funny little man.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-31-2012, 10:28 AM
lol @ you thinking that dead heros(sic) father is a lyar(sic) you must be proud of yourself

You must be proud of yourself for your sleazy, shameless attempts to exploit a serviceman's death for political gain.

TonyR
10-31-2012, 11:20 AM
...called into “The Glenn Beck Program” on TheBlazeTV...

Well, now we know where dan_bronco_fan gets his world view. Raise your hand if you're surprised!

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:02 PM
^

L0L! :laugh:

So, in other words, your "evidence" amounts to the word of Glenn Beck.

You're a funny little man.
so your saying glen beck said that

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can you find in glens becks voice where he said the following

Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls
i want you to find ill try to simplify this in glen becks own voice
no silly cartoons no silly photo captions
i want to hear from glen becks mouth the following on audio or video
Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls
can you do that

did glen beck say this Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls yes or no
is the father lying? yes or no
is it really the father of that slain navy seal yes or no

Irish Stout
10-31-2012, 01:07 PM
1. All my respect go out to that father. Its too bad he and the mother took away such different feelings from the President and his admin's visit (mom indicated that it was extremely moving and nice).

2. If I died doing something heroic, I would be happy to know the vice president of the USA (be it Cheney, Biden, Paul Ryan, Al Gore... etc...) asked my father if I always had cue balls for testicles.

3. My father would not be offended.

4. How many fathers really would?

5. Theres still no actual hard evidence that the Bengahzi deal is a cover up or that a major lie has occurred at this time. It also appears that though the total security request in Libya had been denied that there was the exact amount requested provided for Stevens on his mission to Benghazi.

This is a debacle and a mess and a shame, but I don't think we're going to find any major underpinnings of deception by the White House.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:14 PM
Well, now we know where dan_bronco_fan gets his world view. Raise your hand if you're surprised!

same goes for you
who said the following on glen becks prog
Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls

Glen Beck yes or no

Charles Wood yes or no

is this the father of the slain navy seal officer Tyrone Woods yes or no

is Glen Beck lying yes or no in said video ,point out the time when Glen Beck is lying *

is Charles Wood lying in said video yes or no point out the time in the video he is lying

do not go into some lengthily paragraph about glen beck gop crap
just yes or no

* in the following format for time example 3:08-4:20

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:24 PM
1. All my respect go out to that father. Its too bad he and the mother took away such different feelings from the President and his admin's visit (mom indicated that it was extremely moving and nice).

2. If I died doing something heroic, I would be happy to know the vice president of the USA (be it Cheney, Biden, Paul Ryan, Al Gore... etc...) asked my father if I always had cue balls for testicles.

3. My father would not be offended.

4. How many fathers really would?

5. Theres still no actual hard evidence that the Bengahzi deal is a cover up or that a major lie has occurred at this time. It also appears that though the total security request in Libya had been denied that there was the exact amount requested provided for Stevens on his mission to Benghazi.

This is a debacle and a mess and a shame, but I don't think we're going to find any major underpinnings of deception by the White House.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

well at least you are being reasonable and giving your 2 bits and not as LABF and this tony guy and being silly well his father was offended and i do not like the term size of cue balls i herd balls of steel
but they did request 3 times to send reinforcements and were denied and Obama was in the situation room there was drones the guy did laser point the target out he must of expected some help if he did that

Irish Stout
10-31-2012, 01:37 PM
well at least you are being reasonable and giving your 2 bits and not as LABF and this tony guy and being silly well his father was offended and i do not like the term size of cue balls i herd balls of steel
but they did request 3 times to send reinforcements and were denied and Obama was in the situation room there was drones the guy did laser point the target out he must of expected some help if he did that

I really do try and be reasonable and I try not to name call. Its just politics and we can all agree to disagree on some issue at every level... unfortunately our current climate wants to make politics black and white - republican v. democrat - with no in between, but thats just not logical... we're all people and we all want a better country and world for ourselves and our kids.

Some people, like this father, just don't want to hear some things at some times. I understand that. Biden is not known for his delicate approach to saying things and I feel bad that it upset this father. It would probably have never come up if he truly believed that the Admin did everything it could for his son.

Can you provide me with a link to the "drones" thing? So far I have only heard speculation and haven't seen it reported as fact. Thats why I posted the factcheck timeline... its 4 days old so it might be missing something, but they cover all the facts that are out there, including the conflicting Reuters report about the email and how al Ansair may not have actually claimed responsibility at all.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:37 PM
1. All my respect go out to that father. Its too bad he and the mother took away such different feelings from the President and his admin's visit (mom indicated that it was extremely moving and nice).

2. If I died doing something heroic, I would be happy to know the vice president of the USA (be it Cheney, Biden, Paul Ryan, Al Gore... etc...) asked my father if I always had cue balls for testicles.

3. My father would not be offended.

4. How many fathers really would?

5. Theres still no actual hard evidence that the Bengahzi deal is a cover up or that a major lie has occurred at this time. It also appears that though the total security request in Libya had been denied that there was the exact amount requested provided for Stevens on his mission to Benghazi.

This is a debacle and a mess and a shame, but I don't think we're going to find any major underpinnings of deception by the White House.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

i checked urban dictionary found alot of references for balls of steel
checked for balls the size of cue balls got alot of Biden references nothing about terms for being brave or anything just biden

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:48 PM
I really do try and be reasonable and I try not to name call. Its just politics and we can all agree to disagree on some issue at every level... unfortunately our current climate wants to make politics black and white - republican v. democrat - with no in between, but thats just not logical... we're all people and we all want a better country and world for ourselves and our kids.

Some people, like this father, just don't want to hear some things at some times. I understand that. Biden is not known for his delicate approach to saying things and I feel bad that it upset this father. It would probably have never come up if he truly believed that the Admin did everything it could for his son.

Can you provide me with a link to the "drones" thing? So far I have only heard speculation and haven't seen it reported as fact. Thats why I posted the factcheck timeline... its 4 days old so it might be missing something, but they cover all the facts that are out there, including the conflicting Reuters report about the email and how al Ansair may not have actually claimed responsibility at all.

ill find several to be fair then we can dissect them here

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:51 PM
I really do try and be reasonable and I try not to name call. Its just politics and we can all agree to disagree on some issue at every level... unfortunately our current climate wants to make politics black and white - republican v. democrat - with no in between, but thats just not logical... we're all people and we all want a better country and world for ourselves and our kids.

Some people, like this father, just don't want to hear some things at some times. I understand that. Biden is not known for his delicate approach to saying things and I feel bad that it upset this father. It would probably have never come up if he truly believed that the Admin did everything it could for his son.

Can you provide me with a link to the "drones" thing? So far I have only heard speculation and haven't seen it reported as fact. Thats why I posted the factcheck timeline... its 4 days old so it might be missing something, but they cover all the facts that are out there, including the conflicting Reuters report about the email and how al Ansair may not have actually claimed responsibility at all.

now if i post the whole website text and stuff will that violate the TOS here that you shouldn't post everything from a web site , denver post didnt like it when we posted whole stories about the games so i think taco john made a rule saying you can only post partial stories with links back to the site. not shure if it applies to every site or just denver post

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 01:57 PM
http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/
im going to post links rather you people go to them or not is not my problem
it be nice if people go there and read rather than post photo captions or cartoons then post their reasonable 2 bits and theories

Irish Stout
10-31-2012, 02:51 PM
http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/
im going to post links rather you people go to them or not is not my problem
it be nice if people go there and read rather than post photo captions or cartoons then post their reasonable 2 bits and theories

Dan - thats the same link I posted about 4 posts up. It seems to be the most conclusive and accurate assessment of the Benghazi debacle, but it doesn't mention the drones or the three requests made for backup. I'd like to know if there are actual and legitimate sources out there on this or if its just speculation right now. It could be true, but I haven't seen it as solid fact yet.

Irish Stout
10-31-2012, 02:52 PM
i checked urban dictionary found alot of references for balls of steel
checked for balls the size of cue balls got alot of Biden references nothing about terms for being brave or anything just biden

Can we agree that it was a poor statement, slightly vulgar, but meant to be a compliment on the young man's bravery?

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 04:10 PM
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DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 04:17 PM
Can we agree that it was a poor statement, slightly vulgar, but meant to be a compliment on the young man's bravery?

i checked urban dictionary there is nothing on cue balls refering to bravery i posted a couple of videos ill scour the net and find more links for time lines i was out carving a punkin sorry didnt see your link earlier so many posts all over everywhere none the less its one source of interest . i dont like the phrase sounds inappropriate . he could say your son was very brave and died trying to save his comrades
im sorry for your loss sir your son was a very brave individual
i could come up with more non vulgar statements if you so desire .
btw as you can see im not name calling or saying provocative things .
just having a civil conversation on this side of the OM which for some reason is rare.
ok you like Romney or Obama fine but stop acting like you alls are a bunch of raider fans.
sorry went off on a rant . ill probably catch hell for this

Rohirrim
10-31-2012, 04:20 PM
I have the distinct feeling that the day after the election, interest in this tragedy disappears.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 04:47 PM
I have the distinct feeling that the day after the election, interest in this tragedy disappears.

not from me i want to know wtf is going on is this government run by idiots for the past 40 years i think .either they waste money on stupid crap or sitting with their thumbs up their azz while us gov property and personal are being attacked , or not enforcing immigration laws , and it does go back farther than Obama.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 06:10 PM
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50626

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444868204578062420490836106.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-31-2012, 06:49 PM
Well, now we know where dan_bronco_fan gets his world view. Raise your hand if you're surprised!

L0L! Ha!

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 06:55 PM
L0L! Ha!

well looks like i won this debate since you are not capable of comprehending simple online things like watching a video pointing out where the lie is

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-31-2012, 09:03 PM
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judge for your selves kiddies

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-31-2012, 11:55 PM
well looks like i won this debate since you are not capable of comprehending simple online things like watching a video pointing out where the lie is

Glenn Beck, the right-wing echo chamber, and no real corroborating evidence...

...sounds like a winning combo, alright. Ha!

But if you're gunning for that "boy who cried wolf" blue ribbon, then it's all yours, Bubba. :wave:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 02:52 AM
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DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 03:00 AM
Glenn Beck, the right-wing echo chamber, and no real corroborating evidence...

...sounds like a winning combo, alright. Ha!

But if you're gunning for that "boy who cried wolf" blue ribbon, then it's all yours, Bubba. :wave: <-- also its DAN_BRONCO_FAN if thats too complicated for your tiny outdated lil brain to process you may use DBF or fluffy or DRAGON or tiny tim or big poppa pump lol or call me bud light

well tell me when in the video did glen beck lie are you going to tell me or not where did glen beck lie in the video what time in the video did the lie occur show me where is the lie
SHOW ME WHERE IN THE VIDEO IS THE LIE THAT GLEN BECK TOLD
SHOW ME WHERE IN THE VIDEO IS THE LIE THAT GLEN BECK TOLD
SHOW ME WHERE IN THE VIDEO IS THE LIE THAT GLEN BECK TOLD
SHOW ME WHERE IN THE VIDEO IS THE LIE THAT GLEN BECK TOLD
cmon point it out then where is the glen beck lie at glen beck didnt talk very much in the video who was talking in the video
who was talking in the video
who was talking in the video
who was talking in the video
who was talking in the video
again tell me who was doing the most talking in the videos


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glen isnt my favorite guy because he gets very emotional and sometimes goes off the deep end and puts on his proverbial tin foil hat but he isnt the one saying it so why are you afraid to watch them

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 03:21 AM
if it was just glen beck telling it i would look for another source but if its Charles Woods, father of murdered Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods who said it then i pay attention . but you LABF and Tony pony DID NOT WATCH THE VIDEO

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-01-2012, 07:09 AM
if it was just glen beck telling it i would look for another source but if its Charles Woods, father of murdered Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods who said it then i pay attention . but you LABF and Tony pony DID NOT WATCH THE VIDEO


Come back when you have some corroborating evidence, e.g., credible witnesses who actually heard Biden utter those exact words.

Until then, give the Glenn Beck circle jerk a rest!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-01-2012, 07:33 AM
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Irish Stout
11-01-2012, 07:56 AM
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50626

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444868204578062420490836106.html

Dude that first article was nothing but an editorial piece of all opinion.

I'll get back to you on the second when I can read it.

Irish Stout
11-01-2012, 08:03 AM
Come back when you have some corroborating evidence, e.g., credible witnesses who actually heard Biden utter those exact words.

Until then, give the Glenn Beck circle jerk a rest!

Honestly though - my feeling is who cares? Its a compliment that is supposed to be man to man. Its too bad Biden didn't stay "balls of steel" or balls the size of cantaloupes, because something along those lines is more accepted in our lexicon as meaning - "Your son was one brave man." So, the VP tells this kid's father that his son was brave, but he says it in what was to be an intimate man to man moment and unfortunately something turned the father off. Wether it was the wrong lexicon or the wrong party telling him... I think we can guess.

Again - I don't think 14 out of 15 fathers, regardless of party affiliation, would have taken offense in this situation. Why should they? There sons clearly are brave men who died as heroes. Their balls are like steel and are the size of watermelons. And a statement/compliment to that fact man to man has NEVER been considered a bad thing before in the good ol' USA, macho perhaps, but not a negative.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 09:24 AM
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you wanted to know about drones did you not udall didnt deny there was drones he is neither confirming nor denying they was armed.
so fact there was drones
after that no one is saying

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DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 09:34 AM
the hearing is posted here why dont everyone watch it skip the few mins of silence
btw i do not own any of these videos just to be clear

Arkie
11-01-2012, 12:05 PM
Come back when you have some corroborating evidence, e.g., credible witnesses who actually heard Biden utter those exact words.

Until then, give the Glenn Beck circle jerk a rest!

I don't know why the left would deny any of this. It's a non-story. Biden was sincerely trying to make the man feel better if he said that off the record. It's not like he was showing for the cameras. Biden lost his daughter and wife. He feels empathy. Sometimes he doesn't relate to others very well. Biden said it, or the father is lying. Either way, I think Biden felt sorry.

Irish Stout
11-01-2012, 12:09 PM
I don't know why the left would deny any of this. It's a non-story. Biden was sincerely trying to make the man feel better if he said that off the record. It's not like he was showing for the cameras. Biden lost his daughter and wife. He feels empathy. Sometimes he doesn't relate to others very well. Biden said it, or the father is lying. Either way, I think Biden felt sorry.

Thank you.

Biden's words may have been poorly chosen or delivered to the wrong audience, but it was an attempt to say in an intimate way that "your son was a brave man and a hero."

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 12:27 PM
Thank you.

Biden's words may have been poorly chosen or delivered to the wrong audience, but it was an attempt to say in an intimate way that "your son was a brave man and a hero."


well i wish he would say that sometimes i think BIden is suffering from Alzheimer my mom would do odd things like she took a poo in her clothes and dropped it in the hall way and just laughed about it .
i was mad at her at first but then it was just her losing her mind a year before the stroke.
he is old so could be Alzheimer.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 12:32 PM
but the thing is LABF just says its a lie if LABF was to put forth a reasonable theory like you did it be different but LABF has to be bombastic so i go bombastic back at him to try to show him how it looks like but its like arguing with a child.
and mho Obama is doing his job with sandy , dont matter what his motivation is hes doing his job atm . whats Christie supposed to do when Obama shows up saying he will help NJ?? f**K off Obama ?? that wouldn't be nice

ant1999e
11-01-2012, 03:43 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/31/exclusive-us-memo-warned-libya-consulate-couldnt-withstand-coordinated-attack/

The U.S. Mission in Benghazi convened an “emergency meeting” less than a month before the assault that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, because Al Qaeda had training camps in Benghazi and the consulate could not defend against a “coordinated attack,” according to a classified cable reviewed by Fox News.
Summarizing an Aug. 15 emergency meeting convened by the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Aug. 16 cable marked “SECRET” said that the State Department’s senior security officer, also known as the RSO, did not believe the consulate could be protected.
“RSO (Regional Security Officer) expressed concerns with the ability to defend Post in the event of a coordinated attack due to limited manpower, security measures, weapons capabilities, host nation support, and the overall size of the compound,” the cable said.
According to a review of the cable addressed to the Office of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Emergency Action Committee was also briefed "on the location of approximately ten Islamist militias and AQ training camps within Benghazi … these groups ran the spectrum from Islamist militias, such as the QRF Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia, to ‘Takfirist thugs.’” Each U.S. mission has a so-called Emergency Action Committee that is responsible for security measures and emergency planning.
The details in the cable seemed to foreshadow the deadly Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. compound, which was a coordinated, commando-style assault using direct and indirect fire. Al Qaeda in North Africa and Ansar al-Sharia, both mentioned in the cable, have since been implicated in the consulate attack.
In addition to describing the security situation in Benghazi as “trending negatively,” the cable said explicitly that the mission would ask for more help. “In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover.”
As for specific threats against the U.S., the cable warned the intelligence was not clear on the issue, cautioning that the militias in Benghazi were not concerned with any significant retaliation from the Libyan government, which had apparently lost control in Benghazi. A briefer explained that they “did not have information suggesting that these entities were targeting Americans but did caveat that (there was not) a complete picture of their intentions yet. RSO (Regional Security Officer) noted that the Benghazi militias have become more brazen in their actions and have little fear of reprisal from the (government of Libya.)”
While the administration’s public statements have suggested that the attack came without warning, the Aug. 16 cable seems to undercut those claims. It was a direct warning to the State Department that the Benghazi consulate was vulnerable to attack, that it could not be defended and that the presence of anti-U.S. militias and Al Qaeda was well-known to the U.S. intelligence community.
In a three-page cable on Sept 11, the day Stevens and the three other Americans were killed, Stevens wrote about “growing problems with security” in Benghazi and “growing frustration” with the security forces and Libyan police. The ambassador saw both as “too weak to keep the country secure.”
Fox News asked the State Department to respond to a series of questions about the Aug. 16 cable, including who was specifically charged with reviewing it and whether action was taken by Washington or Tripoli. Fox News also asked, given the specific warnings and the detailed intelligence laid out in the cable, whether the State Department considered extra measures for the consulate in light of the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks – and if no action was taken, who made that call.
The State Department press office declined to answer specific questions, citing the classified nature of the cable.
"An independent board is conducting a thorough review of the assault on our post in Benghazi," Deputy Spokesman Mark Toner said in written statement. "Once we have the board's comprehensive account of what happened, findings and recommendations, we can fully address these matters."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/31/exclusive-us-memo-warned-libya-consulate-couldnt-withstand-coordinated-attack/#ixzz2B0fDg0x6

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-01-2012, 05:00 PM
^

http://www.libertystickers.com/static/images/productimage-picture-fox_news_keeps_me_stupid-10.gif

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-01-2012, 05:02 PM
Honestly though - my feeling is who cares? Its a compliment that is supposed to be man to man. Its too bad Biden didn't stay "balls of steel" or balls the size of cantaloupes, because something along those lines is more accepted in our lexicon as meaning - "Your son was one brave man." So, the VP tells this kid's father that his son was brave, but he says it in what was to be an intimate man to man moment and unfortunately something turned the father off. Wether it was the wrong lexicon or the wrong party telling him... I think we can guess.

Again - I don't think 14 out of 15 fathers, regardless of party affiliation, would have taken offense in this situation. Why should they? There sons clearly are brave men who died as heroes. Their balls are like steel and are the size of watermelons. And a statement/compliment to that fact man to man has NEVER been considered a bad thing before in the good ol' USA, macho perhaps, but not a negative.

I get all that - I just want some corroborating evidence that Biden actually said these exact words, i.e., something more than the word of Glenn Beck and his minions.

baja
11-01-2012, 05:09 PM
I'm not voting for Obama

I'm not voting for Romney either.

Smiling Assassin27
11-01-2012, 08:02 PM
Uh oh, the dam's crumbling. CBS, of all agencies, is reporting this:

CBS News has learned that during the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource: the Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG).


"The CSG is the one group that's supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies," a high-ranking government official told CBS News. "They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon."



The CSG is THE group you call when things have gone wrong--and things definitely had gone wrong in Benghazi. Yet no one called.

Counterterrorism sources and internal emails reviewed by CBS News express frustration that key responders were ready to deploy, but were not called upon to help in the attack.



They were ready but no one called.

Another senior counter terrorism official says a hostage rescue team was alternately asked to get ready and then stand down throughout the night, as officials seemed unable to make up their minds.




If that ain't an Obama trademark, what is?

The official says a protocol set forth in a classified presidential directive calls for the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG) to be convened in the event of a possible terrorist attack. According to a public military document, the directive was designed to "synchronize the efforts of all the government agencies that have a role to play in the Global War on Terrorism."



Their own protocol and they were too incompetent to follow it. So which is it, Obama-ites--incompetence or intentional? 4 dead Americans don't really care anymore but YOU should, particularly the other military here.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57544026/sources-key-task-force-not-convened-during-benghazi-consulate-attack/?pageNum=2&tag=page

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 08:43 PM
dear god obama is a idiot im sorry but he is we need romney hell i dont think clinton was even that bad hell i think hillary would be better

Vegas_Bronco
11-01-2012, 09:18 PM
dear god obama is a idiot im sorry but he is we need romney hell i dont think clinton was even that bad hell i think hillary would be better

Obamas done such a marvellous job it has done her political career wonders!!!

ant1999e
11-01-2012, 10:23 PM
Can you say executive privilege?

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 10:49 PM
Obamas done such a marvellous job it has done her political career wonders!!!

yeah too bad hlder beast is letting the democrats throw her under the bus over and over again this is what the 3rd time after they promised her a shot at being president then let bARRY swoop in and grab it and now they conned her with eyes wide open to take the fall for Benghazi. i doubt she can ever run for president now .
wow hillary you shure are smart lady

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-01-2012, 11:22 PM
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/6b/b2/6bb2747cbabf60546a392e31507d3de5.jpg

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-02-2012, 12:15 AM
Says it all...

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/975_549631371721082_855026999_n.jpg

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 12:46 AM
Says it all...

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/975_549631371721082_855026999_n.jpg

these dots represent dots.............................................. . .but ignore this dot its not a dot............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................ .this dot here is the view of earth from a million miles away.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .............................................. .this dot here its just a dot........................................these dots are really microscopic words............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......... these dots represent dots

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..................................... these dots dont like the other dots there dotists
X this is just a x to mark where i buried my treasure <-- these are letters when put in the right order form words and when these words are in the right order they form sentences.ROFL! i just like this smiley face

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 12:48 AM
feel free to express very fake outrage at me i know im expressing fake outrage at you see fake outrage ohh ahh i am so outraged grrr arrrr yadda yadda now can you try to at least come up with somethng better like those cartoons they were ha ha funny

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 12:50 AM
yes my keyu board sucks i dont feel like going over and fixing the typos what you gonna do about it hmmm nothing thats what you gonna do about it your gonna sit there and lookat every mistake every word til you go crazy.
yeah read this crap im posting tyvm ill post another news story that if you wasnt so damn lazy would look up before i do

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-02-2012, 12:50 AM
^

Judging from this spaz attack, the message was right on target. :thumbs:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 01:01 AM
dont tell the dots labf they will cry oh other news
On Twitter, there are widespread reports about fistfights and people bringing guns to gas stations, thanks to gas shortages in New York and New Jersey. Some on Twitter are also reporting that law enforcement has been stationed around many gas stations to prevent incidents:

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 01:04 AM
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Michelangelo Signorile Tells Gay Romney Voter to Commit Suicide

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-02-2012, 01:09 AM
Dan and his fellow cast members on Right-Wing Fantasy Island:

Benghazi: An outrage!

Iraq: Move along - nothing to see here.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 01:13 AM
will anyone condemn this how about you labf will bart express outrage over this idiot will anyone or will it be ignored glossed over

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-02-2012, 01:15 AM
I condemn your disinformation campaign.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 01:16 AM
oh but you ignore a liberal telling a gay Romney voter to kill himself .
oh but its ok he is voting for Romney right why wont you condemn that video you hate gays ?
they have a right to live too you know i dont like the way they have sex but as long as i dont have to watch it well none of my business

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-02-2012, 01:24 AM
oh but you ignore a liberal telling a gay Romney voter to kill himself .
oh but its ok he is voting for Romney right why wont you condemn that video you hate gays ?
they have a right to live too you know i dont like the way they have sex but as long as i dont have to watch it well none of my business

Dan's candidate?

http://www.occupythegame.com/rick_is_gay.jpg

baja
11-02-2012, 01:47 AM
will anyone condemn this how about you labf will bart express outrage over this idiot will anyone or will it be ignored glossed over

Glass houses and all that Dan

NUB
11-02-2012, 02:06 AM
There is an outstanding piece in WSJ today about what happened. Not everyone can access that so I'll just leave this one here instead:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-cia-20121102,0,2438659.story

TonyR
11-02-2012, 07:57 AM
CBS, of all agencies, is reporting this...

LOL Oh then it can't be true, right?!?

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
11-02-2012, 08:55 AM
Glass houses and all that Dan

so you saying i tell gays to kill themselves can you find such a post where i said that ? give you 100 bucks straight up if you can find such a post .that i posted buddy ill be waiting

baja
11-02-2012, 09:06 AM
so you saying i tell gays to kill themselves can you find such a post where i said that ? give you 100 bucks straight up if you can find such a post .that i posted buddy ill be waiting

In 25 words (your words) or less why do you think Romney will be a good president.

If you can convince me I will vote for Romney

ant1999e
11-02-2012, 10:46 AM
feel free to express very fake outrage at me i know im expressing fake outrage at you see fake outrage ohh ahh i am so outraged grrr arrrr yadda yadda now can you try to at least come up with somethng better like those cartoons they were ha ha funny

Don't be fooled by LABFs fake concern for our fallen soldiers.

Irish Stout
11-02-2012, 11:01 AM
There is an outstanding piece in WSJ today about what happened. Not everyone can access that so I'll just leave this one here instead:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-cia-20121102,0,2438659.story

Multiple articles are popping up today about Benghazi and its looking less and less like the President's administration is covering anything up, let alone culpable in denying help that would have... you know... actually helped.

http://news.yahoo.com/detailed-account-benghazi-attack-notes-cias-quick-response-020906681--abc-news-politics.html

ant1999e
11-02-2012, 11:27 AM
So the CIA was there with an unarmed drone and we still thought we were dealing with a protest about a video?

BroncoBeavis
11-02-2012, 12:09 PM
So the CIA was there with an unarmed drone and we still thought we were dealing with a protest about a video?

Let it die. The CIA releases a CYA report detailing how they did everything they could, answering a question that was never really asked. And these guys lap it up.

If they expect us to believe that a handful of underarmed and unprepared CIA operatives was the most the United States could bring to bear on a long confrontation just a couple hours south of Europe, they're wasting their breath.

They tried to do this under the radar because Libya-as-an-Al-Qaeda-Playground right before the election is a message they didn't want getting out.

In the end, they sacrificed lives for politics. The military wasn't involved, or even asked, because of news cycle management. When they couldn't make a half-assed undercover rescue work, they turned to plan b to scapegoat and jail crackpot Youtube video producers.

Each and every one of these shills would be howling impeachment if the tables were turned. This administration started with the lies about this incident from the very beginning. Now suddenly we're supposed to take every word at face value.

ant1999e
11-02-2012, 12:35 PM
General Carter Ham
Admiral Charles Gaouette

ant1999e
05-08-2013, 11:36 PM
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cutthemdown
05-08-2013, 11:40 PM
it's a coverup and a laughable story but not big enough to worry Obama much. It's probably worst for Hilliary and the primary she would face to get the nomination. Still we know now there were 2 attacks separated by 3-4 hrs? depending on what story you read? They had enough time to get people there they just didn't do it. It was a bad call and no one really wanted to cop to it. So they made a lame story and it didn't work. It's typical of how things get when liberals run the military too long. Leon Panetta shat the bed on this and so did Hilliary Clinton.

ant1999e
05-08-2013, 11:40 PM
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ant1999e
05-08-2013, 11:44 PM
REMINDER: HILLARY CLINTON LIED ABOUT BENGHAZI WHILE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE VICTIMS' CASKETS

None of us should forget this shameful moment in American history:

“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing do to with.”
When Hillary Clinton spoke those words, in front of those victims’ families and the whole world, she knew full well that the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with any YouTube video. Months later, when she was finally called to account for it, she actually said, “What difference does it make?”

barryr
05-10-2013, 09:16 AM
This story has the liberal media in a bind. They need to protect Obama of course, but they want Hillary to run in 2016, so what to do? Yes, you got it. The usual when there is news that doesn't help their personal agendas. Just pretend it doesn't exist and focus on other stories instead and just hope it goes away. They've only been doing this the past 40 years.

baja
05-10-2013, 09:37 AM
This story has the liberal media in a bind. They need to protect Obama of course, but they want Hillary to run in 2016, so what to do? Yes, you got it. The usual when there is news that doesn't help their personal agendas. Just pretend it doesn't exist and focus on other stories instead and just hope it goes away. They've only been doing this the past 40 years.

So true, but this time they got Hillary dead to rights with the stand down and resulting murders. It will be very interesting to me to see how American citizens react to this. If they oh hum this clear cut crime then they will accept just about anything and soon will be completely enslaved.

mhgaffney
05-10-2013, 09:40 AM
Horror of horrors! A US official lied!

Wake up to reality -- it happens alla time.

Americans are fed a steady diet of lies.

mhgaffney
05-10-2013, 09:41 AM
I wish I had a nickel for every lie by a US official.

I'd never have to work again.

peacepipe
05-10-2013, 09:42 AM
Bogus political witch hunt. They know they'll won't have a snowballs chance in hell in 2016 against Hillary Clinton,if they can't bring her down now. Won't work but they don't have much of a choice.

Requiem
05-10-2013, 09:43 AM
The Administration messed up somewhere, as well as the intelligence community. People lied to save face. Not surprising. Not excusable. It is sad.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 09:45 AM
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BroncoBeavis
05-10-2013, 09:47 AM
Let's re summarize here.

Embassy in Benghazi receives threats
Embassy in Benghazi asks for additional security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy in Benghazi receives more threats, asks again for more security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy is attacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11 (who could've seen that coming?) 4 American public servants, two Navy Seals are killed.
Administration springs into action. Denies any forces in the area any chance to respond. Tells assets to stand down. Finds offensive Youtube video. Immediately sends out spokespeople to blame the video and publicly call-out the producer of the (completely irrelevant) video.

Video Producer is arrested and jailed (to this day)
Administration works overtime actively editing intelligence assessments of what happened, scrubbing any reference to the early warnings or any hint that the operation was pre-planned, should have been predicted, with lives easily saved. And of course still implicating a Youtube video that they absolutely knew had nothing to do with the Al Qaeda attack.

Administration maintains the lie for weeks, with the White House press secretary actively lying to the press corps during the height of an election season. Hillary Clinton tells dead Americans' mourning parents that the Administration is going to seek justice on their behalf by taking it to the producer of the Youtube video.

FBI is held back from thoroughly investigating the scene of the attack for evidence because Libyan authorities are dismayed and embarassed by the complete fictionalization of the event by the Administration.

Liberals are all ... meh. Media calls it 'old news' even as new documentation, testimony and evidence contradicting their earlier reporting comes out.

It's undeniable at this point. Watergate could've never happened with a Democrat in office.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 09:58 AM
Don't forget this little known issue.


WASHINGTON — The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.
No evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.

But in the months before, the Obama administration clearly was worried about the consequences of its hidden hand in helping arm Libyan militants, concerns that have not previously been reported. The weapons and money from Qatar strengthened militant groups in Libya, allowing them to become a destabilizing force since the fall of the Qaddafi government.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?pagewanted=all

baja
05-10-2013, 10:00 AM
Let's re summarize here.

Embassy in Benghazi receives threats
Embassy in Benghazi asks for additional security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy in Benghazi receives more threats, asks again for more security
Administration refuses request, plays golf

Embassy is attacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11 (who could've seen that coming?) 4 American public servants, two Navy Seals are killed.
Administration springs into action. Denies any forces in the area any chance to respond. Tells assets to stand down. Finds offensive Youtube video. Immediately sends out spokespeople to blame the video and publicly call-out the producer of the (completely irrelevant) video.

Video Producer is arrested and jailed (to this day)
Administration works overtime actively editing intelligence assessments of what happened, scrubbing any reference to the early warnings or any hint that the operation was pre-planned, should have been predicted, with lives easily saved. And of course still implicating a Youtube video that they absolutely knew had nothing to do with the Al Qaeda attack.

Administration maintains the lie for weeks, with the White House press secretary actively lying to the press corps during the height of an election season. Hillary Clinton tells dead Americans' mourning parents that the Administration is going to seek justice on their behalf by taking it to the producer of the Youtube video.

FBI is held back from thoroughly investigating the scene of the attack for evidence because Libyan authorities are dismayed and embarassed by the complete fictionalization of the event by the Administration.

Liberals are all ... meh. Media calls it 'old news' even as new documentation, testimony and evidence contradicting their earlier reporting comes out.

It's undeniable at this point. Watergate could've never happened with a Democrat in office.


Except now there eye witness' coming forward. It is looking like someone high in American politics wanted the Ambassador dead. What did he know and threaten to disclose?

TonyR
05-10-2013, 10:19 AM
There was tragic incompetence, plainly, in the Obama administration’s handling of the Benghazi attacks, and even possibly some political calculation. It is a record that may well come to haunt Hillary Clinton, the first Secretary of State to lose an ambassador in the field in more than three decades, if she runs for president in 2016. But the obvious Republican effort to turn this inquiry into the Democratic (Obama) version of the Iraq intelligence scandal that has tarred the GOP since the George W. Bush years — led by that least-credible of champions, the almost-always-wrong Darrell Issa — is just not going to amount to much. http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/benghazi-incompetence-but-no-cover-up-20130508?page=1

TonyR
05-10-2013, 10:20 AM
It does seem that the Administration’s talking points were massaged a bit after the President’s candor [that the attack was an "act of terror"]. This may have been attributable to the presidential campaign and the Administration’s desire to low-ball the Al Qaeda threat. If so, this was a venial, not a mortal, sin. It affected not one life. More likely, though, the wording was scrubbed as a result of the nature of the investigation going on at the time–it may have been deemed premature to announce that it was a pre-meditated act of terror. Perhaps the local militia lucked into a situation where they showed up at the consulate and found very little security protection. Hard to say. There were protests all over the middle east that night, ginned up by jihadis using the excuse of a near-unseen anti-Muslim You Tube video.

But let’s say the street gang had been casing the joint in advance. Who’s to blame for the lax security? This is the real substance of the case. Could it have been the Secretary of State? Undoubtedly, no. This sort of question is well below her pay grade. Could it have been the person in charge of embassy security issues? More likely, and that person resigned after the subsequent investigations…and even that might have been unfair for two reasons. Security was up to the Ambassador and Chris Stevens was well known for erring on the side of greater public access to U.S. facilities. Or, more plausibly, reason number two…

Could it have been the Republicans who consistently voted against funds for increased embassy security? Hmmm…that makes their current carping seem awfully political, doesn’t it?
http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08/benghazi-again/?iid=sl-article-arenapage

BroncoLifer
05-10-2013, 10:28 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/benghazi-incompetence-but-no-cover-up-20130508?page=1

Ad hominem attack against Issa, check.

BroncoBeavis
05-10-2013, 11:02 AM
http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08/benghazi-again/?iid=sl-article-arenapage

Ahhh, the ultimate leftist coverall.

"We wanted to spend more on absolutely everything everywhere, therefore nothing is ever our fault."

Why are we in Libya again? Whose decision was that?

Best thing is the "There were no prior threats we could've acted upon. That didn't happen. But if it did happen, we didn't respond because nasty Republicanses won't vote us limitless funds!" shell game.

Meanwhile...

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2012/10/13/priorities_chevy_volts_in_europe_trump_embassy_sec urity_in_benghazi

Four days after the use of an ancient DC-3, along with other security requests, was being denied, on May 7, 2012, the State Department authorized the U.S. Embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric-vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool's new Chevrolet Volts.

As Rep. Mike Kelly points out in a Washington Times op-ed, the purchase was a part of the State Department's "Energy Efficiency Sweep of Europe" initiative, which included hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on green program expenditures at various U.S. embassies.

TonyR
05-10-2013, 11:41 AM
Why are we in Libya again? Whose decision was that?

Are you suggesting we didn't have an embassy in Libya before Obama was president?

Irish Stout
05-10-2013, 11:46 AM
Ahhh, the ultimate leftist coverall.

"We wanted to spend more on absolutely everything everywhere, therefore nothing is ever our fault."

Why are we in Libya again? Whose decision was that?

Best thing is the "There were no prior threats we could've acted upon. That didn't happen. But if it did happen, we didn't respond because nasty Republicanses won't vote us limitless funds!" shell game.

Meanwhile...

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2012/10/13/priorities_chevy_volts_in_europe_trump_embassy_sec urity_in_benghazi

Harry Truman gave approval in 1952..... errrrr.....?

Jetmeck
05-10-2013, 11:55 AM
it's a coverup and a laughable story but not big enough to worry Obama much. It's probably worst for Hilliary and the primary she would face to get the nomination. Still we know now there were 2 attacks separated by 3-4 hrs? depending on what story you read? They had enough time to get people there they just didn't do it. It was a bad call and no one really wanted to cop to it. So they made a lame story and it didn't work. It's typical of how things get when liberals run the military too long. Leon Panetta shat the bed on this and so did Hilliary Clinton.


Hillary is laughing at you............there is no debacle.

There were demonstrations at other embassies period.

The only thing worse than you guys making stuff up and filling in the blanks to your liking is FOX NEWS, a so called national media
doing the same thing.

Its disgraceful and the ONLY THING GOING ON HERE IS GOP HATRED FOR OBAMA AND TRYING TO SLOW THE INEVITABLE STEAM ROLLING THEY ARE GONNA GET FROM HILLARY..................

BroncoBeavis
05-10-2013, 11:55 AM
Are you suggesting we didn't have an embassy in Libya before Obama was president?

This is cute. You act like our other engagements there had nothing to do with what happened.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 11:56 AM
http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08/benghazi-again/?iid=sl-article-arenapage Could it have been the Republicans who consistently voted against funds for increased embassy security? Hmmm…that makes their current carping seem awfully political, doesn’t it?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/10/15/libya_isn039t_about_funding_cuts_293141.html/

“It has been suggested that budget cuts are responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Miss Lamb,” said Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R., Calif.). “You made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which lead you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”

“No, sir,” said Lamb.

Irish Stout
05-10-2013, 11:58 AM
So true, but this time they got Hillary dead to rights with the stand down and resulting murders. It will be very interesting to me to see how American citizens react to this. If they oh hum this clear cut crime then they will accept just about anything and soon will be completely enslaved.

You sure about that? Nothing still seems nailed down. The biggest issue here is that there isn't a smoking gun and its not so clear cut. About the only thing that is clear is there was miscommunication and someone high up telling people to shut their traps. It looks bad, but a clear cut crime this doesn't completely appear to be.

A fubar, yes.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 11:59 AM
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ant1999e
05-10-2013, 12:00 PM
You sure about that? Nothing still seems nailed down. The biggest issue here is that there isn't a smoking gun and its not so clear cut. About the only thing that is clear is there was miscommunication and someone high up telling people to shut their traps. It looks bad, but a clear cut crime this doesn't completely appear to be.

A fubar, yes.

Don't forget a cover up...

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cutthemdown
05-10-2013, 12:04 PM
Hillary is laughing at you............there is no debacle.

There were demonstrations at other embassies period.

The only thing worse than you guys making stuff up and filling in the blanks to your liking is FOX NEWS, a so called national media
doing the same thing.

Its disgraceful and the ONLY THING GOING ON HERE IS GOP HATRED FOR OBAMA AND TRYING TO SLOW THE INEVITABLE STEAM ROLLING THEY ARE GONNA GET FROM HILLARY..................

You are just lying to yourself on this one.

cutthemdown
05-10-2013, 12:29 PM
Finally the media is starting to see this as the huge coverup it is.

http://news.yahoo.com/dam-bursts-benghazi-111500947.html

Thanks to a bombshell report from ABC News, GOP accusations that the White House politicized a tragedy no longer seem so unsubstantiated


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department. The edits included requests from the State Department that references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia be deleted as well references to CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.



OK so the truth is out there. Considering no one died in Watergate this is actually worst then what brought down Nixon.

Jetmeck
05-10-2013, 12:42 PM
I guess senate and house hearings mean little to you guys ?

Cause they found nothing..........

Pull your head out.............its all politics.


Watergate assshole...........Now I know where you got that.............Fox lying news.


If we are going there why hasn't Bush been hung for dragging us into Iraq on false pretenses ?

Exactly you guys are one sided all the way........................

houghtam
05-10-2013, 12:44 PM
Finally the media is starting to see this as the huge coverup it is.

http://news.yahoo.com/dam-bursts-benghazi-111500947.html

Thanks to a bombshell report from ABC News, GOP accusations that the White House politicized a tragedy no longer seem so unsubstantiated


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department. The edits included requests from the State Department that references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia be deleted as well references to CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.



OK so the truth is out there. Considering no one died in Watergate this is actually worst then what brought down Nixon.

Don't give us your bull**** fake disgust. You and Beavis are both shameless. thousands of Americans die in Iraq because of an unjust war based on false evidence. When someone brings up investigations and war crimes on Bush, Beavis doesn't just say "meh", he laughs. You say "hey, we got rid of Saddam", completely missing the point that we can't just go into another country and remove its leader, especially if we go in basing it on something else. If Bush had said "we're going into Iraq to remove Saddam from power" that would have been one thing...but he didn't, because if he had, there's no way in hell he would have gotten authorization to do so.

It was ALL a lie. Thousands died. Thousands of Americans, many of them themselves questioning WTF we were doing there in the first place. But no. America suffers a tragic attack on an embassy and all of the sudden you're weeping your bleeding heart eyes out. Demand an investigation! Rattle the sabres! Do what you must, but do NOT give us this weak, fake, mocking "horror" you're pretending to have.

cutthemdown
05-10-2013, 12:45 PM
LOL found nothing? This is starting to blow up. Good job by Issa not giving up. Nothing to see here but a few lies just move along.

cutthemdown
05-10-2013, 12:47 PM
I see Houghtam here with his deflect strawman defense.

cutthemdown
05-10-2013, 12:50 PM
So holy cow the truth is they asked for more security. Didn't get it. They asked for help while being attacked. They didn't get any. Then they had Susan Rice lie because most likely Hilliary was like I am not reading that. That would be too good of a commercial against me when i run for pres. Obama ain't reading it because he also knew it was a lie. So they sent Rice out there and it really damaged her career.

How liberals can now have mainstream media covering it and still call it a non story is like watching a monty python movie.

This is going to be good!

cutthemdown
05-10-2013, 12:56 PM
Wait until one day his college applications and records come out and we can see some more lies.

houghtam
05-10-2013, 01:01 PM
I see Houghtam here with his deflect strawman defense.

Defense?

I have already said there needs to be an investigation.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in your "outrage".

What's your response to that, you coward?

cutthemdown
05-10-2013, 01:06 PM
The only hypocrisy is that you will still vote for Hilliary Clinton. But at least you have your "courage" brave one.

houghtam
05-10-2013, 01:22 PM
The only hypocrisy is that you will still vote for Hilliary Clinton. But at least you have your "courage" brave one.

The fact you cannot see your own is the true travesty here.

American lives only mean something to you when they serve your purposes.

And I'm hoping Clinton doesn't run, btw. Not because of Benghazi, but because she'll be 70. If she does run I am looking forward to seeing if the GOP has the sack to run Christie against her. I've already been pretty outspoken on how interested I am to see Christie as a presidential candidate, and if his anti-partisanship stance is real or staged. You, on the other hand, love partisanship, as evidenced by your love/hate relationship with the truth.

baja
05-10-2013, 01:25 PM
Hillary with deliver the knock punch to America if she gets elected in 2016

Requiem
05-10-2013, 01:39 PM
How many knock out punches is America going to have?

baja
05-10-2013, 01:58 PM
How many knock out punches is America going to have?

She's a mighty gal.

peacepipe
05-10-2013, 02:26 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/08/1982151/witnesses-debunk-benghazi/?mobile=wt

The “whistleblowers” at today’s House Oversight Committee hearing on what really happened in Benghazi, Libya last September were supposed to break the dam that would lead to President Obama’s eventual downfall, in the eyes of conservatives. Instead, these witness actually served to debunk several theories that the right-wing has pushed on Benghazi, leaving the hearing a fizzle for the GOP:

1. F-16s could have been sent to Benghazi

Part of the prevailing theory surrounding the events the night of the Benghazi attacks is that the Obama administration did not do enough militarily to respond to the crisis. Gregory Hicks — a Foreign Service Officer and the former Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya — claimed during his pre-hearing testimony that fighter jets could have been flown over Benghazi, preventing the second wave of the attack from occurring.

Ranking Member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) questioned that statement, asking Hicks whether he disagreed with Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Gen Martin Dempsey’s assessment that no air assets were in range the night of the attack. Hicks didn’t disagree, saying he was “speaking from [his] perspective” and what “veteran Libyan revolutionaries” told him, rather than Pentagon assessments.

2. Hillary Clinton signed cables denying additional security to Benghazi

House Republicans came to the conclusion in their interim report on Benghazi that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lied to them about what she knew and when during her testimony this January. This includes her statement that at no time was she aware of requests for additional security at the diplomatic facility in Benghazi prior to the attack.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) used her time to take issue with this claim, asking all three witnesses about standard protocol for cables leaving the State Department. All three agreed with Maloney, that the Secretary of State’s name is placed at the bottom of all outgoing cables and telegrams from Foggy Bottom, whether the Secretary has viewed them or not, shooting down the GOP claim.

3. A Special Forces Team that could have saved lives was told to stand down

One of the most shocking reveals in the lead-up to today’s hearing was that a team of Special Forces in Tripoli were told not to deploy to Benghazi during the attack. That decision has led to an uproar on the right, including claims of dereliction of duty towards Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey for not taking actions that could have saved lives.

During questioning, Hicks confirmed that the team was ready to be deployed — not to join the fighting at the CIA annex — but “to secure the airport for the withdrawal of our personnel from Benghazi after the mortar attack.” Hicks also confirmed that it was the second such team to be readied for deployment, with the first having proceeded to Benghazi earlier. Despite the second team not deploying, the staff was all evacuated first to Tripoli, then to Germany, within 18 hours of the attack taking place.

4. The State Department’s Accountability Review Board isn’t legitimate

Republicans have been attacking the State Department’s official in-house review of the shortcomings seen before, during, and after the assault in Benghazi. That criticism prompted House Republicans to write their own report. When asked point blank about the recommendations of the Board, however, the witnesses didn’t cooperate with the GOP narrative. “Absolutely,” Eric Nordstrom, the Regional Security Officer for Libya prior to the assault in Benghazi, answered when asked if he believes implementing the recommendations would improve security. “I had an opportunity to review that along with other two committee reports. I think taken altogether, they’re fairly comprehensive and reasonable.” Hicks, when questioned, said that while he had some issues with the process by which the Board gathered its information, he demurred on criticizing the report itself.

baja
05-10-2013, 02:30 PM
If you want to know the game afoot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QKn0A2sa_Q

Rohirrim
05-10-2013, 03:17 PM
LOL found nothing? This is starting to blow up. Good job by Issa not giving up. Nothing to see here but a few lies just move along.

Ha! A convicted car thief running the GOP's dog and pony show.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 03:34 PM
Partisan politics, cover up or both?

State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland raised specific objections to this paragraph drafted by the CIA in its earlier versions of the talking points:

“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”

In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”
The paragraph was entirely deleted.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

baja
05-10-2013, 04:06 PM
It's the same cast of characters over and over;




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9A2IGShuk&feature=endscreen&NR=1

W*GS
05-10-2013, 04:16 PM
It's the same cast of characters over and over;


I got an even better YouTuber...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hnBp7x2QAE

baja
05-10-2013, 04:18 PM
I got an even better YouTuber...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hnBp7x2QAE


You have a typo in your avatar, you typed "G" instead of a "T"

nyuk nyuk
05-10-2013, 04:48 PM
Ha! A convicted car thief running the GOP's dog and pony show.

Show us a single conviction. I looked and didn't find any.

Rohirrim
05-10-2013, 05:17 PM
Show us a single conviction. I looked and didn't find any.

Wow! You're right. He was indicted for GTA three times, but only convicted on an illegal gun charge. By GOP terms, that's a hero. Ha!

There's only one reason for this whole Benghazi outrage bull****: To smear Hillary Clinton in preparation for 2016. Period.

errand
05-10-2013, 08:05 PM
So true, but this time they got Hillary dead to rights with the stand down and resulting murders. It will be very interesting to me to see how American citizens react to this. If they oh hum this clear cut crime then they will accept just about anything and soon will be completely enslaved.


I wouldn't put it past a couple of other top Dems to "leak" more info about this crime that damages Hillary as she is not the only person who aspires to sit in the oval office.....perhaps a guy like Biden or Kerry allows some info out in order to hurt her chances in 2016.

I think both of them have culpability in the deaths of these 4 men, as Hillary can't order a stand down of US troops or tell them to engage.....that authority lies with Barack Hussein Obama

peacepipe
05-10-2013, 08:16 PM
LOL you guys got nothing. When & if Hillary runs, she will not only win the primary pretty easily but win the presidency by a big margin. Who in the GOP is really going to challenge her. Paul? Cruz? Christie? Bush? Really? What demographic is going to walk away from the dems with those guys representing your side.
If you thought there was a big gender gap in 2012,wait until 2016 if Hillary runs.

errand
05-10-2013, 08:16 PM
does anyone else find it ironic that whenever Obama decides to run guns be it Fast and Furious or some secret Benghazi meeting, it's only Americans that get killed?

peacepipe
05-10-2013, 08:26 PM
does anyone else find it ironic that whenever Obama decides to run guns be it Fast and Furious or some secret Benghazi meeting, it's only Americans that get killed?

Fast & furious also known as wide receiver under gwb. It is a practice called gun walking,started in 2006. Guess who was president in 2006.

baja
05-10-2013, 08:33 PM
does anyone else find it ironic that whenever Obama decides to run guns be it Fast and Furious or some secret Benghazi meeting, it's only Americans that get killed?

Hundreds and hundreds of murdered Mexican victims of Fast & Furious weapons disagree with you.

Rohirrim
05-10-2013, 08:35 PM
LOL you guys got nothing. When & if Hillary runs, she will not only win the primary pretty easily but win the presidency by a big margin. Who in the GOP is really going to challenge her. Paul? Cruz? Christie? Bush? Really? What demographic is going to walk away from the dems with those guys representing your side.
If you thought there was a big gender gap in 2012,wait until 2016 if Hillary runs.

Cruz is a perfect illustration that the only way to rise to the top of the GOP is to double down on the Right Wing crazy. That will get him through the primary, but in the general we're talking burnt toast.

Jetmeck
05-10-2013, 09:15 PM
Hopeless, clueless bunch grasping at straws....get ready for your next beat down.

It may come earlier than you think, people are sick and tired of republican obstructionist policies...............2014

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 09:19 PM
LOL you guys got nothing. When & if Hillary runs, she will not only win the primary pretty easily but win the presidency by a big margin. Who in the GOP is really going to challenge her. Paul? Cruz? Christie? Bush? Really? What demographic is going to walk away from the dems with those guys representing your side.
If you thought there was a big gender gap in 2012,wait until 2016 if Hillary runs.

Isn't it fitting that peace speaks nothing of Americans who risked their lives working in a foreign country and were murdered but only of partisan politics.

I can honestly say that I don't give a **** who runs for President next. My concern is why these brave Americans were abandoned in a foreign country and allowed to be murdered. Why we did nothing and then tried so hard to cover the facts and straight up lie about the truth.

Jetmeck
05-10-2013, 09:22 PM
Isn't it fitting that peace speaks nothing of Americans who risked their lives working in a foreign country and were murdered but only of partisan politics.

I can honestly say that I don't give a **** who runs for President next. My concern is why these brave Americans were abandoned in a foreign country and allowed to be murdered. Why we did nothing and then tried so hard to cover the facts and straight up lie about the truth.


Abandoned, lied, we did nothing, covered up facts.............

How many Congressional hearings do you clowns need ?

Quit watching Fox News...............

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 09:23 PM
Cruz is a perfect illustration that the only way to rise to the top of the GOP is to double down on the Right Wing crazy. That will get him through the primary, but in the general we're talking burnt toast.

Is that a racist statement? You saying Cruz is crazy because he's Hispanic?

houghtam
05-10-2013, 09:37 PM
Isn't it fitting that peace speaks nothing of Americans who risked their lives working in a foreign country and were murdered but only of partisan politics.

I can honestly say that I don't give a **** who runs for President next. My concern is why these brave Americans were abandoned in a foreign country and allowed to be murdered. Why we did nothing and then tried so hard to cover the facts and straight up lie about the truth.

Where was your outrage when our brave American soldiers risked their lives in a foreign country and were murdered by the thousands...all for a lie?

You mock the meaning of caring. You care when it's convenient for you.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 09:41 PM
Abandoned, lied, we did nothing, covered up facts.............

How many Congressional hearings do you clowns need ?

Quit watching Fox News...............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22483768

There's new evidence, obtained by ABC, that the Obama administration did deliberately purge references to "terrorism" from accounts of the attack on the Benghazi diplomatic mission, which killed four people including the US ambassador to Libya.

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http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/06/18086898-official-us-special-forces-team-wasnt-allowed-to-fly-to-benghazi-during-attack?lite

A small team of Special Forces operatives was ready to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi last year after Libyan insurgents attacked the U.S. mission there, but was told it was not authorized to board the flight by regional military commanders, according to a career State Department official scheduled to testify before Congress on Wednesday.

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ant1999e
05-10-2013, 09:48 PM
Where was your outrage when our brave American soldiers risked their lives in a foreign country and were murdered by the thousands...all for a lie?

You mock the meaning of caring. You care when it's convenient for you.

I risked my life in a foreign country many times. I was on a small base in the middle of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. I couldn't imagine how it would have felt to be attacked knowing nobody was coming to help us.

We disagree on the war in Iraq. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't assume to know what I care and don't care about.

houghtam
05-10-2013, 10:31 PM
I risked my life in a foreign country many times. I was on a small base in the middle of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. I couldn't imagine how it would have felt to be attacked knowing nobody was coming to help us.

We disagree on the war in Iraq. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't assume to know what I care and don't care about.

What's to disagree about? The lies are all well-documented.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't use a national tragedy as a political tool while looking the other way when it suits you.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 11:17 PM
What's to disagree about? The lies are all well-documented.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't use a national tragedy as a political tool while looking the other way when it suits you.

You don't know WTF you're talking about. Are my facts too much for you that you have to resort to attacking me?

baja
05-10-2013, 11:21 PM
Isn't it fitting that peace speaks nothing of Americans who risked their lives working in a foreign country and were murdered but only of partisan politics.

I can honestly say that I don't give a **** who runs for President next. My concern is why these brave Americans were abandoned in a foreign country and allowed to be murdered. Why we did nothing and then tried so hard to cover the facts and straight up lie about the truth.

Hilary ordered the ambassador to Banghazi. Questions are arising as to why.

baja
05-10-2013, 11:22 PM
This is far from over.

peacepipe
05-10-2013, 11:24 PM
You don't know WTF you're talking about. Are my facts too much for you that you have to resort to attacking me?

BS. Me pointing out that you're an idiot would be an attack.

ant1999e
05-10-2013, 11:36 PM
What's to disagree about? The lies are all well-documented.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't use a national tragedy as a political tool while looking the other way when it suits you.

Where are all your tears for the troops fighting in Afghanistan? There are none. You don't give a damn about them, those who died in Iraq or those murdered in Benghazi.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 06:07 AM
Where are all your tears for the troops fighting in Afghanistan? There are none. You don't give a damn about them, those who died in Iraq or those murdered in Benghazi.

Partisan. Purely partisan.

We go to war on forged documents, and when an FBI investigation opened, your administration outed a CIA agent.

How does it feel to dance on the graves of the dead when your boy is in office?

peacepipe
05-11-2013, 06:41 AM
Where are all your tears for the troops fighting in Afghanistan? There are none. You don't give a damn about them, those who died in Iraq or those murdered in Benghazi.

You're FOS, you can't defend dubya,so your only attack is to pretend hougtam hates the the troops.

barryr
05-11-2013, 07:12 AM
The liberals wanted to know from 2000-2008 any dead soldier or American serving in the ME, every day news and the why and how or whose fault. Since 2009, they and especially their media, have lost all interest all of a sudden and don't want to know. But oh, worrying about our troops has nothing to do with politics. You'd think even they would tire of their own nonstop hypocrisy, but I guess not.

baja
05-11-2013, 07:40 AM
Partisan. Purely partisan.

We go to war on forged documents, and when an FBI investigation opened, your administration outed a CIA agent.

How does it feel to dance on the graves of the dead when your boy is in office?

It's incredible to me that so many of you are still fixated on the left / right game. When are you going to realize you no longer chose your president, whom ever is in office will be the globalists hand picked stooge. This time they decided to give you a black one knowing if you complained half the country would call you racist. Before that they gave you an idiot just to see how you would react. You are being played and it is so easy that they have zero respect or fear of you and are supremely confidant they will soon have their one world government and your enslavement will be complete. That is when the soft kill going on now will be stepped up to an obvious round up and hard kill.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 07:50 AM
It's incredible to me that so many of you are still fixated on the left / right game. When are you going to realize you no longer chose your president, whom ever is in office will be the globalists hand picked stooge. This time they decided to give you a black one knowing if you complained half the country would call you racist. Before that they gave you an idiot just to see how you would react. You are being played and it is so easy that they have zero respect or fear of you and are supremely confidant they will soon have their one world government and your enslavement will be complete. That is when the soft kill going on now will be stepped up to an obvious round up and hard kill.

When? Have you determined a date yet? It didn't happen "next Tuesday" a few months ago like you promised.

Pony Boy
05-11-2013, 08:03 AM
It’s like a man calling 911 when his house is on fire and his family is trapped inside. The Fire Chief responds with tell the fire trucks to stand down because they wouldn’t get there in time to save anyone. Oh and we will change the taking points from a house fire to a mass suicide.

baja
05-11-2013, 08:03 AM
When? Have you determined a date yet? It didn't happen "next Tuesday" a few months ago like you promised.


Just remember when you find yourself enslaved that it was your denial (and that of others) that allowed so few to enslave so many. You were warned and still you scoffed at what was happening right in front of your eyes.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 08:22 AM
Just remember when you find yourself enslaved that it was your denial (and that of others) that allowed so few to enslave so many. You were warned and still you scoffed at what was happening right in front of your eyes.

My quality of life from right now until Enslavement Day is far better than my quality of life would be prepping for Enslavement Day, and even if my prepping saved my life, my quality of life thereafter would be even worse.

And that's if you buy into all that crap, which I don't.

baja
05-11-2013, 08:35 AM
My quality of life from right now until Enslavement Day is far better than my quality of life would be prepping for Enslavement Day, and even if my prepping saved my life, my quality of life thereafter would be even worse.

And that's if you buy into all that crap, which I don't.


If enough of you would wake up there would be no need to "prepare for enslavement"

The men behind the curtain are not that formidable if only enough would wake up and expose their exploits we would throw off the shackles.

Tell me for example why in hell the US government is required to borrow at interest dollars from private bankers (Federal Reserve). The United States of America should be printing it's own money not borrowing (new) money from private concerns. How the hell did this happen? It happen because enough of you were asleep at the wheel. All new money enters the market as debt do you know how insane that is?

houghtam
05-11-2013, 08:46 AM
If enough of you would wake up there would be no need to "prepare for enslavement"

The men behind the curtain are not that formidable if only enough would wake up and expose their exploits we would throw off the shackles.

Tell me for example why in hell the US government is required to borrow at interest dollars from private bankers (Federal Reserve). The United States of America should be printing it's own money not borrowing (new) money from private concerns. How the hell did this happen? It happen because enough of you were asleep at the wheel. All new money enters the market as debt do you know how insane that is?

What have you done to fight against it, other than move to Mexico? That doesn't sound like fighting, it sounds like running. Why not just move to France an be done with it?

baja
05-11-2013, 08:54 AM
What have you done to fight against it, other than move to Mexico? That doesn't sound like fighting, it sounds like running. Why not just move to France an be done with it?


I moved to Mexico for a job opportunity over 30 years ago long before I realized what was going on. I have made a nice life for myself here and do not feel the need to defend my decision to anyone especially to those idiots such as yourself that some how construe an address with running from something. What is coming is global domination there is no place to run or hide.

There is no need for a fight just wake up to what is happening and in mass refuse to go along with it. We the people have all the power but we chose to act like sheeple

W*GS
05-11-2013, 08:56 AM
Obama and his team screwed up and four Americans died.

Too bad the Bush regime's screwups didn't cost only four lives.

ant1999e
05-11-2013, 09:05 AM
You're FOS, you can't defend dubya,so your only attack is to pretend hougtam hates the the troops.

You're a bit mixed up there you fool. Hougtam doesn't like the fact of this debacle or that I called you out on your purely partisan posts. We were having a civil discourse earlier. Then you came in with your
"you guys got nothing. When & if Hillary runs, she will not only win the primary pretty easily but win the presidency by a big margin".
I call you out and then he attacks me for being partisan. :loopy: He changed the subject to Bush and the Iraq war because he can't explain away the truth of what happened. Not once since the Benghazi debacle have I spoke in the real world or posted in this cesspool anything about election because it isn't about that to me. I've been in many situations where I was surrounded by unfriendlies who could have overtaken us at any time. I couldn't imagine being left to die.
But I'm not surprised. That's one of the old fall backs, Bush and the Iraq war. Next thing you know I'll be accused of being racist.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 09:05 AM
I moved to Mexico for a job opportunity over 30 years ago long before I realized what was going on. I have made a nice life for myself here and do not feel the need to defend my decision to anyone especially to those idiots such as yourself that some how construe an address with running from something. What is coming is global domination there is no place to run or hide.

There is no need for a fight just wake up to what is happening and in mass refuse to go along with it. We the people have all the power but we chose to act like sheeple

Then why should I feel the need to defend my position, which is that, in this particular case, you're a conspiracy theorist who is trying to stir up anti-establishment sentiment based on a bunch of vagaries, half truths, outright lies, conjecture and suspicion.

Now I'm as mistrustful of politicians as the next reasonable person, but nothing you have provided...nothing...provides even the slightest HINT at your "truth" that the is some mass global conspiracy that will result in the enslavement of the human race (by lizard people?).

Your concept of "Enslavement", if and when it occurs, occurs on an individual level, and only exists if you allow it to. People become slaves to their pocketbooks, the want for more stuff, the need to be better than their neighbor. It causes irrationality, fear, suspicion. It is a far more dangerous form of "Enslavement" than you, or any of your peers can come up with, and worse...it's real.

ant1999e
05-11-2013, 09:11 AM
Partisan. Purely partisan.

We go to war on forged documents, and when an FBI investigation opened, your administration outed a CIA agent.

How does it feel to dance on the graves of the dead when your boy is in office?

Saying I don't care about the troops is a complete contradiction. Like I said, where has your concern for the troops been since Obama's been President? Let me know when you're ready to talk about Benghazi again.

Rohirrim
05-11-2013, 09:17 AM
Is that a racist statement? You saying Cruz is crazy because he's Hispanic?

:spit:

slick7
05-11-2013, 09:18 AM
Baja is 100% correct about the FED, and it doesn't matter where he currently lives.

Rohirrim
05-11-2013, 09:23 AM
Man, It's so obvious. Issa keeps the dog and pony show going while protesting that he has no political reason for doing so. Cruz delivers his "Prep for 2016" speech. And now Rant Paul comes out and one-ups him on his Hillary attack. The issues of Benghazi are already cleared up. Yes, the entire Obama administration ****ed up. Yes, the CIA and Foggy Bottom ****ed up and spent the next few weeks trying to shift the blame in some kind of petty little warfare. But those issues are resolved. All this **** happening now is nothing but gutter politics, ie, how can we turn these dead Americans into votes for our party, and more importantly, us?
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/11/18183010-rand-paul-challenges-hillary-clinton-in-key-iowa-speech?lite

houghtam
05-11-2013, 09:29 AM
You're a bit mixed up there you fool. Hougtam doesn't like the fact of this debacle or that I called you out on your purely partisan posts. We were having a civil discourse earlier. Then you came in with your
"you guys got nothing. When & if Hillary runs, she will not only win the primary pretty easily but win the presidency by a big margin".
I call you out and then he attacks me for being partisan. :loopy: He changed the subject to Bush and the Iraq war because he can't explain away the truth of what happened. Not once since the Benghazi debacle have I spoke in the real world or posted in this cesspool anything about election because it isn't about that to me. I've been in many situations where I was surrounded by unfriendlies who could have overtaken us at any time. I couldn't imagine being left to die.
But I'm not surprised. That's one of the old fall backs, Bush and the Iraq war. Next thing you know I'll be accused of being racist.

Okay, let's please get something straight here. I'm not going to apologize for pointing out your partisanship, but I am sorry you assumed that since I replied to a post in which you replied to peace, that I'm somehow defending him. Although he's a liberal, he and I have very little in common in terms of how we get to our ideologies (abortion and Hillary Clinton, to name two right of the top of my head). I do not want Clinton to run, but it has nothin to do with this tragedy.

I simply replied to your post so that you knew I was speaking directly to you, and that was the last post in the thread at the time. If I had gotten here sooner, I'd have replied to that instead. I'm not one to come in and reply to each post as I read it, after the conversation has already moved on, like some people on this forum are famous for.

As far as Benghazi, as I said, there needs to be an investigation, and it needs to lead where it leads. The reason I'm calling you and the other trash Republicans out on the partisan BS is simple. You were all either silent or complicit when we went into Iraq, and then when the facts came out on WHY? Well as they say at AMC, silence is golden. Then you attempt to tie it to Clinton by saying things like "HER NAME WAS ON THE CABLE!", not realizing or not understanding that her name is on the cable for what color they should paint the lobby of the US consulate in Timbuktu.

If the investigation takes it to Clinton and we find she's at fault, then she needs to be held as accountable as everyone else. But what is happening here is people coming up with a conclusion before they start the investigation. What you and they are doing is shameless, particularly considering your history on wanting the "truth".

ant1999e
05-11-2013, 09:34 AM
Man, It's so obvious. Issa keeps the dog and pony show going while protesting that he has no political reason for doing so. Cruz delivers his "Prep for 2016" speech. And now Rant Paul comes out and one-ups him on his Hillary attack. The issues of Benghazi are already cleared up. Yes, the entire Obama administration ****ed up. Yes, the CIA and Foggy Bottom ****ed up and spent the next few weeks trying to shift the blame in some kind of petty little warfare. But those issues are resolved. All this **** happening now is nothing but gutter politics, ie, how can we turn these dead Americans into votes for our party, and more importantly, us?
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/11/18183010-rand-paul-challenges-hillary-clinton-in-key-iowa-speech?lite

The first part of your post may be correct but this shyt hasn't been resolved. This was a cover up from the get go and someone needs to come clean. People need to be held responsible. The charade is still ongoing.

ant1999e
05-11-2013, 09:53 AM
Okay, let's please get something straight here. I'm not going to apologize for pointing out your partisanship, but I am sorry you assumed that since I replied to a post in which you replied to peace, that I'm somehow defending him. Although he's a liberal, he and I have very little in common in terms of how we get to our ideologies (abortion and Hillary Clinton, to name two right of the top of my head). I do not want Clinton to run, but it has nothin to do with this tragedy.

I simply replied to your post so that you knew I was speaking directly to you, and that was the last post in the thread at the time. If I had gotten here sooner, I'd have replied to that instead. I'm not one to come in and reply to each post as I read it, after the conversation has already moved on, like some people on this forum are famous for.

As far as Benghazi, as I said, there needs to be an investigation, and it needs to lead where it leads. The reason I'm calling you and the other trash Republicans out on the partisan BS is simple. You were all either silent or complicit when we went into Iraq, and then when the facts came out on WHY? Well as they say at AMC, silence is golden. Then you attempt to tie it to Clinton by saying things like "HER NAME WAS ON THE CABLE!", not realizing or not understanding that her name is on the cable for what color they should paint the lobby of the US consulate in Timbuktu.

If the investigation takes it to Clinton and we find she's at fault, then she needs to be held as accountable as everyone else. But what is happening here is people coming up with a conclusion before they start the investigation. What you and they are doing is shameless, particularly considering your history on wanting the "truth".

And your assumption that I sat idly by while troops died in Iraq. Have you ever visited Camp Bucca, Iraq during the holidays? It's quite pleasant. The wastelands of Iraq from a Blackhawk look breathtaking. Seeing the lines of spinning lights on the miles of convoy vehicles driving through Iraq was an awe inspiring sight. It hit me in the gut and made me realize what an important job I had. It was my job and I'm proud to have been a part of it.
So forgive me for not being like you and sitting on my ass bitching about Bush and the war and how many children were being murdered. Funny how all that biotching stopped once Obama became President. You thing troops aren't still dying in the middle east? I haven't heard a peep from you about it in over four years. And you want me to believe you really give a **** about dead soldiers? Get the **** outta here you hypocrite.

W*GS
05-11-2013, 09:54 AM
People need to be held responsible. The charade is still ongoing.

If Obama acted like Bush did, Hillary would be getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom like Tenet and L. Paul Bremer got.

ant1999e
05-11-2013, 09:55 AM
If Obama acted like Bush did, Hillary would be getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom like Tenet and L. Paul Bremer got.

So go make a thread about Bush. This one's about Benghazi.

Rohirrim
05-11-2013, 09:56 AM
The first part of your post may be correct but this shyt hasn't been resolved. This was a cover up from the get go and someone needs to come clean. People need to be held responsible. The charade is still ongoing.

The "cover-up" is nothing more than different government agencies trying to shift blame away from themselves. That's about the depth of that conspiracy. All the rest is political bull**** and noise, which is what Washington excels at.

Here's another take, Benghazi was the wrath of God:
"It’s no secret that our nation may very well be experiencing the hand of judgment. It is no secret that we all are concerned that our nation may be in a time of decline. If that is in fact so, what is the answer? The answer is what we are doing here today: humbling ourselves before an almighty God, crying out to an almighty God, saying not of ourselves but you, would you save us oh God? We repent of our sins, we turn away from them, we seek you, we seek your ways."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/michele-bachmann-911-god_n_3254568.html?ref=topbar

Rohirrim
05-11-2013, 09:57 AM
If Obama acted like Bush did, Hillary would be getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom like Tenet and L. Paul Bremer got.

Bingo!

ant1999e
05-11-2013, 10:01 AM
The "cover-up" is nothing more than different government agencies trying to shift blame away from themselves. That's about the depth of that conspiracy. All the rest is political bull**** and noise, which is what Washington excels at.


So who ****ed up? I guess we don't care. No lessons to learn. We'll learn from our mistakes on the next one right. Maybe when a Republican is in office. It's o.k. for our government to lie to us. Let's do some spinning. The Iraq war, according to you libs, was a big lie and to this day you want head to roll. But here, meh not a big deal. Lies from a democrat taste much sweeter than from a republican.

peacepipe
05-11-2013, 10:08 AM
So who ****ed up? I guess we don't care. No lessons to learn. We'll learn from our mistakes on the next one right. Maybe when a Republican is in office. It's o.k. for our government to lie to us. Let's do some spinning. The Iraq war, according to you libs, was a big lie and to this day you want head to roll. But here, meh not a big deal. Lies from a democrat taste much sweeter than from a republican.

Is false equivalencys all you're good at.

ant1999e
05-11-2013, 10:13 AM
Is false equivalencys all you're good at.

Tell that to Houhtam and Wags. It's their story.

Rohirrim
05-11-2013, 10:20 AM
So who ****ed up? I guess we don't care. No lessons to learn. We'll learn from our mistakes on the next one right. Maybe when a Republican is in office. It's o.k. for our government to lie to us. Let's do some spinning. The Iraq war, according to you libs, was a big lie and to this day you want head to roll. But here, meh not a big deal. Lies from a democrat taste much sweeter than from a republican.

The Republicans had theirs. It was called 9/11. They followed that up with the crash of the economy.

Indictments? Zero
Convictions? Zero
Medals of Freedom? Two

houghtam
05-11-2013, 10:27 AM
And your assumption that I sat idly by while troops died in Iraq. Have you ever visited Camp Bucca, Iraq during the holidays? It's quite pleasant. The wastelands of Iraq from a Blackhawk look breathtaking. Seeing the lines of spinning lights on the miles of convoy vehicles driving through Iraq was an awe inspiring sight. It hit me in the gut and made me realize what an important job I had. It was my job and I'm proud to have been a part of it.
So forgive me for not being like you and sitting on my ass b****ing about Bush and the war and how many children were being murdered. Funny how all that biotching stopped once Obama became President. You thing troops aren't still dying in the middle east? I haven't heard a peep from you about it in over four years. And you want me to believe you really give a **** about dead soldiers? Get the **** outta here you hypocrite.

Good deflection. Heartwarming.

Okay I'll play your game. Lets assume I don't care about the troops. Lets assume everything you want to believe about me in order to pigeonhole me into your fantastic, yet somehow narrow view of the world. Lets assume I'm the worst person in the world...a liberal in-the-flesh hybrid of Dr. No, Joseph Stalin and King Herod.

How does pointing out my perceived, yet untrue, hypocrisy absolve you of your own?

Contrary to your claim, I have been quite vocal about my views on all wars. I have admitted plenty of times on this forum that, despite the majority of my family being in the military, I am for all intents and purposes a pacifist, and have endured the requisite criticisms from your ilk, including being called a pussy and a coward. It is neither cowardly nor the sign of a weaker person to speak out against war. Being complicit, on the other hand...

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 11:12 AM
LOL.... Houghtam and now apparently peacepipe are thread-hopping going on about "deflections" and "false equivalences."

Do I have a fan club or what?

Guys, get your own rebuttals, please.

TonyR
05-11-2013, 11:29 AM
Man, It's so obvious. Issa keeps the dog and pony show going while protesting that he has no political reason for doing so. Cruz delivers his "Prep for 2016" speech. And now Rant Paul comes out and one-ups him on his Hillary attack. The issues of Benghazi are already cleared up. Yes, the entire Obama administration ****ed up. Yes, the CIA and Foggy Bottom ****ed up and spent the next few weeks trying to shift the blame in some kind of petty little warfare. But those issues are resolved. All this **** happening now is nothing but gutter politics, ie, how can we turn these dead Americans into votes for our party, and more importantly, us?


Exactly right. In the post linked below, after admitting there was clearly a coverup, Sullivan explains it similarly:

...these are venial sins, not mortal ones. And the premise of the Republican argument that immediately including the possibility of a pre-planned Jihadist attack would have deeply wounded the Obama campaign seems ludicrous to me. He decimated al Qaeda in Af-Pak and killed bin Laden, but a minor, if foolish, attempt at unnecessary spin after an embassy siege would have undone this legacy in the eyes of voters? Come off it.

All of this is a grotesque over-reaction – for transparently political purposes. The GOP does not know any more how to propose constructive policies that actually might improve the lives of Americans. But they sure know how to construct a “scandal” into a mountain when it is only a bump in the tarmac.

It all reminds me of Whitewater. http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/05/10/whitewater-round-ii/