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fwf
10-18-2012, 11:24 AM
This guy is cut out more in the mold of a safety. A wider frame and not as quick as the smaller Cb's. I bet he's right under 200lbs today. I like his tackling and he seems like a smart dude with good ball skills. He played the postion his last 6 games at KU. There was a guy named Tyrone Braxton who wasnt touted coming out, about the same size (5-10 190), and who started out at corner and made the transition flawlessly..

Kaylore
10-18-2012, 11:25 AM
I thought he was a better safety, but I really think he's emerging as a good corner. A lot of safeties have issus with slot players. Chris plays the slot well. He's a corner.

Rascal
10-18-2012, 11:28 AM
If Adams continues his questionable cover skills I could see the eventual switch.

gyldenlove
10-18-2012, 11:34 AM
Cornerback is a much higher priority position than safety, if he is a good corner he has to stay there.

ColoradoDarin
10-18-2012, 11:37 AM
And let's move Champ to safety as soon as possible too, we're wasting valuable time with him as CB.

broncocalijohn
10-18-2012, 11:39 AM
And let's move Champ to safety as soon as possible too, we're wasting valuable time with him as CB.

thank you AmericnBroncfan. You back?

fwf
10-18-2012, 11:50 AM
And let's move Champ to safety as soon as possible too, we're wasting valuable time with him as CB.

They brought porter in at a hefty price which tells me they couldnt count on harris being the starter. Only a dope would compare Champ to Harris.

bap454
10-18-2012, 11:52 AM
Harris replaces Adams. Bolden/Carter to corner. Adams to the Bench. Whats not to like. Best players on the field.

bronco militia
10-18-2012, 11:52 AM
how about we keep harris right where he is and go find some better safeties?

Mountain Bronco
10-18-2012, 11:59 AM
Typical Mane thoughts. Dude is a second year player playing great at CB yet we already are talking about moving him to safety???

Action
10-18-2012, 12:07 PM
This is a joke of a thread.

Chris Harris is too good of a man and slot defender to be playing safety.

He's in his 2nd year and getting better at his craft and you want to move him to relearn a new position?

enjolras
10-18-2012, 12:13 PM
Wow.. we're devaluing safeties here by a lot. This team badly needs help up the middle, and a sure tackler with good ball instincts like Harris would make a LOT of sense at strong safety. Turn him into an every down player and shore up a real weakness. I like it.

Rock Chalk
10-18-2012, 12:13 PM
This guy is cut out more in the mold of a safety. A wider frame and not as quick as the smaller Cb's. I bet he's right under 200lbs today. I like his tackling and he seems like a smart dude with good ball skills. He played the postion his last 6 games at KU. There was a guy named Tyrone Braxton who wasnt touted coming out, about the same size (5-10 190), and who started out at corner and made the transition flawlessly..

He played the last 6 games at Safety for KU because Turner Gill was an idiot bug-eater sent to destroy the little momentum KU had built up under Mangino. Tom Osborne strikes again! That and we had no safeties at KU, he was the best option. We had guys that theoretically COULD play corner but not safety while Chris could play both.

TheReverend
10-18-2012, 12:14 PM
The slot's become extremely valuable, and we have someone who excels at it.

ColoradoDarin
10-18-2012, 12:15 PM
They brought porter in at a hefty price which tells me they couldnt count on harris being the starter. Only a dope would compare Champ to Harris.

Corner is a much more valuable position than safety. Chris Harris is playing well at corner. Therefore, move him to safety...?

Action
10-18-2012, 12:18 PM
Corner is a much more valuable position than safety. Chris Harris is playing well at corner. Therefore, move him to safety...?

Exactly. I really wonder what some of these people do in their daily lives.

Someone is excelling at what they do and you want to completely change what they do. Harris is a cornerback that excels in physical man to man coverage. He hasn't been playing the technique of safeties at all in the NFL, and people want to talk about moving him there?

It's just disgusting some of the thoughts people have on here.

DBroncos4life
10-18-2012, 12:22 PM
Exactly. I really wonder what some of these people do in their daily lives.

Someone is excelling at what they do and you want to completely change what they do. Harris is a cornerback that excels in physical man to man coverage. He hasn't been playing the technique of safeties at all in the NFL, and people want to talk about moving him there?

It's just disgusting some of the thoughts people have on here.
Seriously I wonder how you think you bitching about posters is any better. None stop complaining about posters takes makes you the winner of the internet!

Action
10-18-2012, 12:22 PM
They brought porter in at a hefty price which tells me they couldnt count on harris being the starter. Only a dope would compare Champ to Harris.

They brought Porter in for 4 mill on a 1 year deal... a 1 year deal for a 26 year old player... hefty price?

No, they needed DEPTH at that position for situations just like against the Chargers. Had nothing to do with Harris, they obviously wanted to keep him in slot and Broncos had no depth.

They didn't know who their 3rd 4th and 5th CB's would be before the signing of Porter. So no, it really has nothing to do with Harris.

Only a DOPE would move someone doing so well at a young age at what they do that they've doing their whole NFL career... instead of letting them continually get better.

How about go get a safety that's been playing safety for their whole career and actually has a TRUE build and technique of a safety?

fwf
10-18-2012, 12:23 PM
He played the last 6 games at Safety for KU because Turner Gill was an idiot bug-eater sent to destroy the little momentum KU had built up under Mangino. Tom Osborne strikes again! That and we had no safeties at KU, he was the best option. We had guys that theoretically COULD play corner but not safety while Chris could play both.

how'd he do?

fwf
10-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Exactly. I really wonder what some of these people do in their daily lives.

Someone is excelling at what they do and you want to completely change what they do. Harris is a cornerback that excels in physical man to man coverage. He hasn't been playing the technique of safeties at all in the NFL, and people want to talk about moving him there?

It's just disgusting some of the thoughts people have on here.


Harris is good, he's not great. I dont see the pure speed or athleticism like your model champ/revis type corners. I see a burlier guy whos a sure tackler and smart player. I see a safety.

Action
10-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Harris is good, he's not great. I dont see the pure speed or athleticism like your model champ/revis type corners. I see a burlier guy whos a sure tackler and smart player.

So you need to be Champ or Revis to play corner now?

And Chris Harris is a physical athletic corner.

I'm not entertaining this thread any more... Chris Harris will never move to safety unless every single one gets injured.

Br0nc0Buster
10-18-2012, 12:42 PM
Keep Harris at nickel
Nickel is practically a starter in today's NFL
Something like teams run their nickel and sub packages 60% of the time
He is a physical guy that can handle slot receivers as well as play the run
Packers used to do put Woodson in the slot for that purpose

I much rather have him up on the LOS where we can take advantage of his physical style

I do like the idea of Carter replacing Adams though on passing downs

Gates handed Adams his lunch
After Monday night I wanna see Carter sub in a bit more

DBroncos4life
10-18-2012, 12:54 PM
Harris replaces Adams. Bolden/Carter to corner. Adams to the Bench. Whats not to like. Best players on the field.

Neither Carter or Porter can play slot very well. It's a bad idea for that reason.

Drunken.Broncoholic
10-18-2012, 01:10 PM
Some act like Harris has NEVER played the safety position before. This thread is for OPINIONS. Just cause you don't agree with it doesn't mean you need to bash others opinion.

Personally I want to see Harris on the field all the time. Not just in sub packages.

Rascal
10-18-2012, 01:11 PM
Neither Carter or Porter can play slot very well. It's a bad idea for that reason.

Porter would play CB, Harris SS, and Bolden can play the slot...or shoudl I be considered an idiot by the likes of the all knowledgable Action?

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2012, 01:12 PM
They brought porter in at a hefty price which tells me they couldnt count on harris being the starter. Only a dope would compare Champ to Harris.

They brought Porter in for 1 year, which to me says, they liked Harris and Carter but didn't think they were ready to start. I really don't understand the notion of mocing a corner to safety when they are still working out as a corner.

vancejohnson82
10-18-2012, 01:15 PM
So you need to be Champ or Revis to play corner now?

And Chris Harris is a physical athletic corner.

I'm not entertaining this thread any more... Chris Harris will never move to safety unless every single one gets injured.

oh man...i was going to post but then realized that this guy left...now this thread is unofficial

ZONA
10-18-2012, 01:23 PM
Exactly. I really wonder what some of these people do in their daily lives.

Someone is excelling at what they do and you want to completely change what they do. Harris is a cornerback that excels in physical man to man coverage. He hasn't been playing the technique of safeties at all in the NFL, and people want to talk about moving him there?

It's just disgusting some of the thoughts people have on here.

It's an opinion about a football player playing football - I think the word disgusting is definitely not the correct word you were after. Frustrating maybe is something more to the liken.

I for one would like to see Harris get some "time" at SS. I love him in the slot right now but he's not the starter, Porter is. He comes in in nickel and dime defenses. I'd like to see him get some reps at SS just to get on the field more and to see how he does there. He can still play dime/nickel CB.

fwf
10-18-2012, 01:24 PM
They brought Porter in for 1 year, which to me says, they liked Harris and Carter but didn't think they were ready to start. I really don't understand the notion of mocing a corner to safety when they are still working out as a corner.

I got to think Harris has better long term potential at Safety then Corner based on his body and athleticism. He's not a 4.4 guy and I bet he's barely 4.5. they should look into this offseason

Drunken.Broncoholic
10-18-2012, 01:24 PM
Pure starting CB is a more important position than safety. 3rd CB not as much. Safeties who are used in packages that turn them into situational nickel CBs are pretty dam impactful. Just look at how polomalu and Woodson are used. Having said that, Harris is neither of those guys and should stay in the position he's progressing at now.

Drek
10-18-2012, 01:52 PM
Problems with this plan:

1. Harris is a good tackler for a corner, he'd be average for a safety and isn't big enough to consistently hold up between the tackles. What do you think a quality FB would do to the kid?

2. Nickel corner is a pretty high value tackling position as well, FYI, which is why everyone noticed Harris' tackling skills in the first place. A lot of times the nickel corner has first crack at the RB on running plays out of spread looks.

3. The nickel corner blitz has been one of the few very successful blitz packages we've been able to run. A big part of that probably comes from Harris being in that role. We shouldn't be dicking with one of the few ways we've found to hit opposing QBs.

4. Harris has the speed and quickness to hang with quality slot WRs. That is already incredibly valuable in the slot, and bodes well for his eventual transition to the wing as a full time starting CB. The value of those tools is only reduced by moving him to safety.

5. Harris jams better than every CB on our team not named Champ. Pretty damn important tool for a nickel CB to have, not nearly as vital for a safety.

All in all, it's putting a square peg into a round hole just because it fits that round hole better than all your undersized round pegs. The solution isn't jamming him into a worse spot for him, it's getting more high quality square pegs.

Drek
10-18-2012, 01:54 PM
I got to think Harris has better long term potential at Safety then Corner based on his body and athleticism. He's not a 4.4 guy and I bet he's barely 4.5. they should look into this offseason

He actually ran a 4.48, so yeah, he's a 4.4 guy and comparable to most starting CBs in the NFL.

fwf
10-18-2012, 02:20 PM
He actually ran a 4.48, so yeah, he's a 4.4 guy and comparable to most starting CBs in the NFL.

Nah he aint as fast as most corners. Not game speed fast at least. I get what youre saying, but long term, i think he would serve us better at safety. Theres a reason he wasnt drafted and wasnt invited to the combine. Its bc the measurables arent there. Most legit CB cant fake it thou and have the measurables. We got a steal bc Harris is football player with great instincts and toughness. Not to mention a hell of a tackler. I vote safety, but thats just my opinion

DarkHorse
10-18-2012, 02:23 PM
Harris is one of my favorite players to watch on the team, I think he's gonna continue to grow as a CB but if he's moved to S I expect the same growth out of him. Good, underrated player.

KS Bronco
10-18-2012, 02:28 PM
manning is playing well at qb, lets move him to mlb

LongDongJohnson
10-18-2012, 03:00 PM
This idea is as smart as my old idea of moving Tim Tebow to OLB back in 2010 when Dumervil got injured.

DBroncos4life
10-18-2012, 03:02 PM
Porter would play CB, Harris SS, and Bolden can play the slot...or shoudl I be considered an idiot by the likes of the all knowledgable Action?

LOL No one can match his knowledge! My hope would be Carter could be used to shadow and follow opposing TEs. I was wrong about Carter, kid can play. I'm not sold on giving Bolden playing time just yet.

TheReverend
10-18-2012, 03:31 PM
This idea is as smart as my old idea of moving Tim Tebow to OLB back in 2010 when Dumervil got injured.

Holy **** I think I remember that.

Mountain Bronco
10-18-2012, 03:31 PM
Nah he aint as fast as most corners. Not game speed fast at least. I get what youre saying, but long term, i think he would serve us better at safety. Theres a reason he wasnt drafted and wasnt invited to the combine. Its bc the measurables arent there. Most legit CB cant fake it thou and have the measurables. We got a steal bc Harris is football player with great instincts and toughness. Not to mention a hell of a tackler. I vote safety, but thats just my opinion

So why weren't Foster, Smith and others drafted??? Lots of good players go undrafted, it isn't a perfect science. Your theory makes no sense and frankly sucks. He is a good CB don't move him, get better safeties.

Bacchus
10-18-2012, 04:02 PM
Cornerback is a much higher priority position than safety, if he is a good corner he has to stay there.

I agree with this but if moving him to Safety means Denver can move Carter to slot this might work out pretty well. It would most assurdly be a faster unit that what is on the field now.

BroncoMan4ever
10-18-2012, 04:13 PM
I got to think Harris has better long term potential at Safety then Corner based on his body and athleticism. He's not a 4.4 guy and I bet he's barely 4.5. they should look into this offseason

He may not have the prototypical speed for a corner, but he has really good coverage skills. I think unless the team has someone who can be an upgrade from him, it makes no sense to switch his position.

LongDongJohnson
10-18-2012, 04:13 PM
Holy **** I think I remember that.

Of course unlike this guy,

I wasnt serious.

Lestat
10-18-2012, 04:33 PM
Typical Mane thoughts. Dude is a second year player playing great at CB yet we already are talking about moving him to safety???

i agree, but in fairness... have you seen Mike Adams at SS? ROFL!

Action
10-18-2012, 04:37 PM
Tony Carter is an outside corner, not an inside. Tony Carter has ONLY played the outside corner position this season and he's stayed there.

When Harris was out, on passing downs Porter moved inside and Carter came in on the outside. When Porter was out, on passing downs, Harris moved to the inside and Carter came in on the outside.

DBroncos4life
10-18-2012, 04:39 PM
Tony Carter is an outside corner, not an inside...

Are you lost?LOL

Action
10-18-2012, 04:40 PM
Are you lost?LOL

... what?

Clarify.

DBroncos4life
10-18-2012, 04:52 PM
... what?

Clarify.

So you need to be Champ or Revis to play corner now?

And Chris Harris is a physical athletic corner.

I'm not entertaining this thread any more... Chris Harris will never move to safety unless every single one gets injured.
I guess so...

Action
10-18-2012, 04:58 PM
I guess so...

Nice try at that save. But you failed miserably.

I think you actually thought that Tony Carter played inside corner. That's what took you so long to respond. You realized you had no idea that Tony Carter in fact only plays outside corner. :spit:

Your response makes no sense, what does me being lost have to do with me saying I'm not entertaining this thread anymore?

Why would you come at me with a question of me being lost when I said nothing in direction to anyone really, and I was just making a clarification of Tony Carters position? People should try and pay attention next time he's on the field.

And for the record, I was done with entertaining Chris Harris being as safety.

EDIT
I see, you suggested that Tony Carter should be used to shadow opposing TE's, thus suggesting he should play inside. And you felt offended I said he only plays outside.

Makes sense, you had no idea he only played outside corner so you had to make a save on your remark of me being lost. It's ok, we're all wrong sometimes. Some more than others LOL

DBroncos4life
10-18-2012, 05:04 PM
Nice try at that save. But you failed miserably.

I think you actually thought that Tony Carter played inside corner. That's what took you so long to respond. You realized you had no idea that Tony Carter in fact only plays outside corner. :spit:

Your response makes no sense, what does me being lost have to do with me saying I'm not entertaining this thread anymore?

Why would you come at me with a question of me being lost when I said nothing in direction to anyone really, and I was just making a clarification of Tony Carters position? People should try and pay attention next time he's on the field.

And for the record, I was done with entertaining Chris Harris being as safety.

EDIT
I see, you suggested that Tony Carter should be used to shadow opposing TE's, thus suggesting he should play inside. And you felt offended I said he only plays outside.

Makes sense, you had no idea he only played outside corner so you had to make a save on your remark of me being lost. It's ok, we're all wrong sometimes. Some more than others LOL

Neither Carter or Porter can play slot very well. It's a bad idea for that reason.

Post 23 Dumbass.

Drunken.Broncoholic
10-18-2012, 05:06 PM
Actually DBlife was never responding to the outside inside arguement. His first response asked if you were lost, meaning he's asking why you made it a point to announce a departure in this thread. Then a while later posting right back in it.

Bacchus
10-18-2012, 05:07 PM
Post 23 Dumbass.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/1544-owned.jpg

DBroncos4life
10-18-2012, 05:08 PM
Actually DBlife was never responding to the outside inside arguement. His first response asked if you were lost, meaning he's asking why you made it a point to announce a departure in this thread. Then a while later posting right back in it.

Add clueless to his skills. LOL

Drek
10-18-2012, 05:09 PM
Nah he aint as fast as most corners. Not game speed fast at least. I get what youre saying, but long term, i think he would serve us better at safety. Theres a reason he wasnt drafted and wasnt invited to the combine. Its bc the measurables arent there. Most legit CB cant fake it thou and have the measurables. We got a steal bc Harris is football player with great instincts and toughness. Not to mention a hell of a tackler. I vote safety, but thats just my opinion

Please. Harris is every bit as fast as most starting CBs.

Harris didn't get invited to the combine because he went to a nowhere school and didn't set the world on fire while there, instead he looked like a solid journeyman. He then posted damn good numbers for any CB at his pro day.

Go ask Sam Shields, starting CB (when healthy) for the Green Bay Packers how being at the combine is based on raw athletic talent. He only ran a 4.30 flat at the Miami pro day and didn't even get invited to the combine. I mean, major D-1A school, all 40 time, still no combine invite. Totally proves that he's just not fast enough for CB.

Action
10-18-2012, 05:09 PM
It's ok, we're all wrong sometimes. Some more than others LOL

Looks like this is me today.

My apologies.

I'm out now.

http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Football-Fail-011.gif

Bacchus
10-18-2012, 05:11 PM
Please. Harris is every bit as fast as most starting CBs.

Harris didn't get invited to the combine because he went to a nowhere school and didn't set the world on fire while there, instead he looked like a solid journeyman. He then posted damn good numbers for any CB at his pro day.

Go ask Sam Shields, starting CB (when healthy) for the Green Bay Packers how being at the combine is based on raw athletic talent. He only ran a 4.30 flat at the Miami pro day and didn't even get invited to the combine. I mean, major D-1A school, all 40 time, still no combine invite. Totally proves that he's just not fast enough for CB.

Harris is fast. Not as fast as Carter but he is faster than Porter, I believe.

Drunken.Broncoholic
10-18-2012, 05:13 PM
Harris is faster than Jerry Seinfeld.

broncosteven
10-18-2012, 05:23 PM
The slot's become extremely valuable, and we have someone who excels at it.

So maybe we didn't need to draft Peterson over Miller as badly after all.

LOL

Drek
10-18-2012, 05:40 PM
So maybe we didn't need to draft Peterson over Miller as badly after all.

LOL

Peterson would have prevented the need for Porter in the short term and given us a legitimate #1 CB long term to replace Bailey. He would have been a very legitimate pick.

Bacchus
10-18-2012, 06:27 PM
Harris is faster than Jerry Seinfeld.

That too.

swaiy
10-18-2012, 06:41 PM
It was just one game ???

Lestat
10-18-2012, 07:06 PM
So maybe we didn't need to draft Peterson over Miller as badly after all.

LOL

considering the state of our DL i don't think it would have mattered if we did draft him. he's a play maker but even he couldn't cover for 10 secs that the QB would have to scramble around without Von added to Doom.


i wanted Peterson or Miller badly in the draft(that's a lie, i wanted the Broncos to find a way to get both)

DenverBroncosJM
10-18-2012, 07:18 PM
Most corners can play safety...very few Safeties can play corner...

fwf
10-19-2012, 05:07 AM
Most corners can play safety...very few Safeties can play corner...

Yeah. I tweeted Harris last night and asked him if he ever thought they would move him to safety and he said "I know I can play it easy".

spiralism
10-19-2012, 05:52 AM
Guys, Jim Leonhard is a great safety and now that he's fit and seeing defensive snaps, it's starting to show. Its no harm having great depth at CB given the amount of good teams that can effectively run 5 wide. We'll be thankful we have Harris and Carter as nickel and dime cbs against the saints.

mwill07
10-19-2012, 06:07 AM
I'd love to see Harris move to safety. I think it could be a great move.

(after a glorious 10+ year career as a CB)

socalorado
10-19-2012, 09:56 AM
The slot's become extremely valuable, and we have someone who excels at it.

Ding!Ding! Winner!

TheReverend
10-19-2012, 10:34 AM
So maybe we didn't need to draft Peterson over Miller as badly after all.

LOL

?

I'm interested to see if you actually have any train of thought behind this or are just randomly making statements.

Dedhed
10-19-2012, 10:54 AM
Harris replaces Adams. Bolden/Carter to corner. Adams to the Bench. Whats not to like. Best players on the field.

Better yet, Decker replaces Adams, Quentin Carter replaces Woodyard at LB because he can cover, Champ plays WR/PR/KR/ and moves to S so we can get Carter on the field and Von Miller plays LB and FB.

mwill07
10-19-2012, 11:01 AM
Better yet, Decker replaces Adams, Quentin Carter replaces Woodyard at LB because he can cover, Champ plays WR/PR/KR/ and moves to S so we can get Carter on the field and Von Miller plays LB and FB.

might as well as trade back for Tebow now that he can play RB.

broncosteven
10-19-2012, 01:51 PM
?

I'm interested to see if you actually have any train of thought behind this or are just randomly making statements.

It was a joke, I knew it would get a rise out of you.

I do think we are better off with Miller though. We needed someone to give us the threat of a pass rush and Miller is covering better.

Peterson would have helped in the return game no doubt.