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KevinJames
10-17-2012, 02:31 PM
JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all)

18 tackles, 1 Sack

Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all)

17 tackles, 3 Sacks

What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

chickennob2
10-17-2012, 02:51 PM
By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

2KBack
10-17-2012, 02:55 PM
Solid if unspectacular, which for the D-line is a pretty good sign honestly.

Br0nc0Buster
10-17-2012, 02:56 PM
I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

Kaylore
10-17-2012, 02:56 PM
He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

http://nobodyputsbabyinahorner.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/1238157980_scanners_-_head_explosion.gif

pricejj
10-17-2012, 03:05 PM
I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

Wolfe's sack against San Diego, late in the game, on 3rd down...was against a double-team.

Bacchus
10-17-2012, 03:07 PM
JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all)

18 tackles, 1 Sack

Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all)

17 tackles, 3 Sacks

What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

fontaine
10-17-2012, 03:20 PM
What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

From the Oakland/SD games where I rewatched games and focused on his individual play:

Cons:
1. He's not a fast twitch, explosive guy off the snap.
2. He's largely not much of a pass rusher so far.
3. Doesn't anticipate the snap and is mediocre in his first step.

Pros:
1. Plays with a very high motor.
2. Strong against the run.
3. Plays A LOT of snaps and doesn't seem to wear down much.


Jack Del Rio does a pretty good job of trying to get him on one on one matchups by shifting him around from place to place.

I think he still has huge room for improvement as a pass rusher though. He does display good closing speed but his initial moves need refinement.

pricejj
10-17-2012, 03:22 PM
Derek Wolfe could make the Pro Bowl this year.

He is only 0.5 sacks behind Dwan Edwards and Kyle Williams for the NFL lead in sacks by a Defensive Tackle (excluding Watt).

Smiling Assassin27
10-17-2012, 03:25 PM
I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

you mean like this guy?


http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/johnengelberger.jpg

cutthemdown
10-17-2012, 03:25 PM
I do not think The Wolfeman's ceiling is that high. I think he could be a quality 10 year lunch pail kind of guy but I do not see many pro bowls in his future

I agree. I loved the pick but there is a reason he was a 2nd round prospect. His athletic ability might have a ceiling. But his work eithic and high motor, like you said, could make him a 10 yr starter for us. A player that isn't all pro, but also isn't a liablity and plays consistently.

I think Broncos still need to look for that big ugly badass to lead the inside of our front 7. I think it could come in the form of either a nasty middle linebacker, or a big nasty DT. But we sort of lack explosion in the middle of our front 7. Vickerson, Bannan, Wolfe decent but none of them strike fear like Miller or Doom, or a Bailey in the secondary etc etc. We need to get a game changing player the patrols the middle of the defense. We are a little soft there.

BroncoMan4ever
10-17-2012, 03:42 PM
I like what I have seen for the most part
Looks just like the guy in Cinci

Gets owned by double teams, but is able to apply some pressure when manned up

Im sure he will get better against the double teams as his technique improves
Also wouldnt help add another 15 lb to help anchor

But that will probably have to wait until the offseason

A big DT that can take the double teams and free up Wolfe would be a huge boost to this defense. We finally have a guy capable of generating pressure up the middle, but he is constantly doubled because his DT partners are average at best.

DBroncos4life
10-17-2012, 03:58 PM
Derek Wolfe could make the Pro Bowl this year.

He is only 0.5 sacks behind Dwan Edwards and Kyle Williams for the NFL lead in sacks by a Defensive Tackle (excluding Watt).

Does that mean Chandler Jones could make it? There is only two DEs in the AFC wit more sacks then him. Also Geno Atkins says hi.

DENVERDUI55
10-17-2012, 04:10 PM
you mean like this guy?


http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/johnengelberger.jpg

He wasn't a quality player though.

Rabb
10-17-2012, 04:15 PM
He's good and all...no Anthony Gonzalez tho

ludo21
10-17-2012, 04:20 PM
Justin Smith - ish?

Action
10-17-2012, 04:29 PM
Fantastic start for a DT/DE.

In case you guys have forgotten, rookie DT's generally make minimal, if not, they don't make any impact their first year. That includes top 10 to top 5 drafted DTs.

Combine that with the fact that he's playing 2 positions on the dline (for a rookie)... impressive if you ask me.

He also missed mini camps because of his school graduation date.

It's crazy around here, no one seems to know what the word progression means. I already see people making final judgements on what he is and will be.

He's a rookie... I'm not sure there was any rookie dlineman that was ever effective against double teams. Matter of fact, almost ALL dlineman in the league aren't effective against double teams...

DBroncos4life
10-17-2012, 04:36 PM
He's good and all...no Anthony Gonzalez tho

Hilarious! Sorry I started a thread about a scrub replacing a bigger scrub :P

Heyneck
10-17-2012, 04:36 PM
Wolfe's sack against San Diego, late in the game, on 3rd down...was against a double-team.

uhhhh... wolfe plays way more DE than DT...

Action
10-17-2012, 04:40 PM
uhhhh... wolfe plays way more DE than DT...

That sack was when he was lined up in the DT though. For what it's worth though, he lines up at DE to play containment most of the time (running downs).

menonite
10-17-2012, 04:46 PM
"Wolfeman" just seems like such an uncreative nickname. It's like calling the "Immaculate Reception" the "Nice Catch." Not as crappy as "The Sheriff" but still pretty bad.

I'm sticking with Methwolfe: The Tiger Shark from the Trailer Park.

SoCalBronco
10-17-2012, 04:58 PM
I wonder what it is that makes Derek tick?

enjolras
10-17-2012, 05:08 PM
I've payed a lot of attention to him when I've rewatched games this year.

He's a pretty bad defensive end, but a pretty good defensive tackle. On the end he gets swept out of the play and has trouble disengaging to make tackles.

On the other hand, he looks much more comfortable inside and is able to be pretty disruptive. I'd like to see more of Ayers on the outside with him in the middle (we saw a bit of that last week) as I think that is where he's going to be more effective.

gyldenlove
10-17-2012, 05:09 PM
He has played more than I expected him to and has been pretty good. I like his versatility, playing inside and outside and against pass and run. I don't put much stock in stats for defensive linemen, but his play on the field has been strong and he seems to be developing.

The defensive front minus the WLB and MLB linebacker positions has been much better this year than in any other year since we cut Trevor Pryce and certainly Wolfe has to get part of the credit for that.

Action
10-17-2012, 05:11 PM
Just a reminder that we did lose 2 defensive lineman STARTERS for the season.

Bacchus
10-17-2012, 05:23 PM
I agree. I loved the pick but there is a reason he was a 2nd round prospect. His athletic ability might have a ceiling. But his work eithic and high motor, like you said, could make him a 10 yr starter for us. A player that isn't all pro, but also isn't a liablity and plays consistently.

I think Broncos still need to look for that big ugly badass to lead the inside of our front 7. I think it could come in the form of either a nasty middle linebacker, or a big nasty DT. But we sort of lack explosion in the middle of our front 7. Vickerson, Bannan, Wolfe decent but none of them strike fear like Miller or Doom, or a Bailey in the secondary etc etc. We need to get a game changing player the patrols the middle of the defense. We are a little soft there.

I think next year will be about LBer in the first round. I like Denver's DT right now Vickerson and Bannon have been playing pretty well.

BMarsh615
10-17-2012, 05:56 PM
Pro Football Focus has Wolfe graded second worst 4-3 DE in the NFL.

KipCorrington25
10-17-2012, 06:54 PM
How is Poe doing? I'm not even trying to be funny I just haven't followed him at all.

TD4HOF
10-17-2012, 07:06 PM
How is Poe doing? I'm not even trying to be funny I just haven't followed him at all.

Still funny.

Bigdawg26
10-17-2012, 07:13 PM
Pro Football Focus has Wolfe graded second worst 4-3 DE in the NFL.

Yeah well I don't think he's going to be our starting DE next year. He will slide down to DT next year full time.

dictionary
10-17-2012, 07:19 PM
A good start? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peD0a6g4ZVs.

Awoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Br0nc0Buster
10-17-2012, 07:21 PM
How is Poe doing? I'm not even trying to be funny I just haven't followed him at all.

He sucks
Along with the rest of their Dline

BowlenBall
10-17-2012, 08:15 PM
"Wolfeman" just seems like such an uncreative nickname. It's like calling the "Immaculate Reception" the "Nice Catch." Not as crappy as "The Sheriff" but still pretty bad.

I'm sticking with Methwolfe: The Tiger Shark from the Trailer Park.

Hey, that's pretty good, actually....

http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/fff284004TigerShark_thumb.jpg

Agamemnon
10-17-2012, 08:31 PM
Pro Football Focus has Wolfe graded second worst 4-3 DE in the NFL.

God I wish people would stop referencing that site as if they have any ****ing idea what they are talking about.

dictionary
10-17-2012, 09:01 PM
God I wish people would stop referencing that site as if they have any ****ing idea what they are talking about.

PFF is good in some ways, but I personally feel that grading interior defensive linemen is somewhat unfair. Wolfe draws in o lineman. That is his job. He has a high motor and follows the ball. He will grow--HE IS A ROOKIE, and granted he is not Von Miller; however, he is starting for us and is producing. He will continue to grow and expand on that production.

HAT
10-17-2012, 09:13 PM
God I wish people would stop referencing that site as if they have any ****ing idea what they are talking about.

Agreed....They are to internet football sites what you are to the 'Mane...

Steve Sewell
10-17-2012, 09:29 PM
wolf not at 15 sacks and 40 tackles for loss yet lul another amateur move by Elway you never trust a player to be a gm they are dumb and Pat Bowlen's drunk ass is to blame for this mess. add this to a long list of dumb moves like signing a broke neck qb.

HAT
10-17-2012, 09:35 PM
Hey, that's pretty good, actually....

http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/fff284004TigerShark_thumb.jpg

Reason #474 why menonite is the undisputed OM rookie of the year.

:strong:

pricejj
10-17-2012, 09:51 PM
Does that mean Chandler Jones could make it? There is only two DEs in the AFC wit more sacks then him

Yep, the dude is good, but not against us.

Also Geno Atkins says hi.

Good call, missed one.

Br0nc0Buster
10-17-2012, 09:52 PM
wolf not at 15 sacks and 40 tackles for loss yet lul another amateur move by Elway you never trust a player to be a gm they are dumb and Pat Bowlen's drunk ass is to blame for this mess. add this to a long list of dumb moves like signing a broke neck qb.

Elway obviously as a GM is the suckiest suck that has ever sucked

pricejj
10-17-2012, 10:08 PM
uhhhh... wolfe plays way more DE than DT...

No he don't. Plus, all his sacks have come at UT.

HAT
10-17-2012, 10:55 PM
How's Crick doing price?

HighCountryBronco
10-18-2012, 09:38 AM
Fantastic start for a DT/DE.

In case you guys have forgotten, rookie DT's generally make minimal, if not, they don't make any impact their first year. That includes top 10 to top 5 drafted DTs.

Combine that with the fact that he's playing 2 positions on the dline (for a rookie)... impressive if you ask me.

He also missed mini camps because of his school graduation date.

It's crazy around here, no one seems to know what the word progression means. I already see people making final judgements on what he is and will be.

He's a rookie... I'm not sure there was any rookie dlineman that was ever effective against double teams. Matter of fact, almost ALL dlineman in the league aren't effective against double teams...

^ This!

Kaylore
10-18-2012, 09:52 AM
God I wish people would stop referencing that site as if they have any ****ing idea what they are talking about.

Didn't they say Kuper was the worst starting left guard on the Broncos last year?

Pony Boy
10-18-2012, 09:58 AM
He reminds me of Ed McCaffrey.

Yes, they could be twins ...........

LRtagger
10-18-2012, 11:30 AM
Pro Football Focus has Wolfe graded second worst 4-3 DE in the NFL.

Didnt they also have Kuper as the worst starting Guard in the league last year?

Rabb
10-18-2012, 11:34 AM
Hey, didn't they have Kuper as the worst starting guard last year?

LRtagger
10-18-2012, 11:35 AM
Didn't they say Kuper was the worst starting left guard on the Broncos last year?

damn you

Lolad
10-18-2012, 11:36 AM
No he don't. Plus, all his sacks have come at UT.

I think this has to do with his straight line ability. He is not overly athletic like a JJ Watt. I don't mind he gives a good push when asked to get after the QB

pricejj
10-18-2012, 12:02 PM
I think this has to do with his straight line ability. He is not overly athletic like a JJ Watt. I don't mind he gives a good push when asked to get after the QB

Yep. Wolfe isn't an athletic freak like Watt. Watt is 300 lbs. and runs a 4.8 forty, and a 6.88 three-cone... plus he's strong (34 bench reps)...that is unheard of.

I don't know that there has EVER been a player like J.J. Watt in the NFL.



Wolfe runs a 5.0 forty...so yeah, he will never be able to generate outside pass rush pressure. He has quick feet (for a DT), good strength, great grappling skills, and unquestioned determination. We need a guy at UT to get 50 tackles, and 7 sacks per year. Wolfe is our man. His sack against the Chargers, double-teamed, in crunch-time, was epic. Exactly the type of plays we need, to get to the SuperBowl.

BowlenBall
10-18-2012, 12:29 PM
J.J. Watt's rookie year: 16 games started, 58 tackles, 5.5 sacks

I think we've set our expectations a little high for MethWolfe right now. He's already outperformed realistic expectations for a 2nd round pick, let's just enjoy the fact that we hit on this particular draft pick, people.

Action
10-18-2012, 01:12 PM
J.J. Watt's rookie year: 16 games started, 58 tackles, 5.5 sacks

I think we've set our expectations a little high for MethWolfe right now. He's already outperformed realistic expectations for a 2nd round pick, let's just enjoy the fact that we hit on this particular draft pick, people.

Too bad it doesn't work like that around here. No such thing as progression.

He should be performing as good as Watt RIGHT NOW. The fact that he's not even as good as Justin Smith right now either?

Bust.

fontaine
10-18-2012, 01:12 PM
PFF is good in some ways, but I personally feel that grading interior defensive linemen is somewhat unfair. Wolfe draws in o lineman. That is his job. He has a high motor and follows the ball. He will grow--HE IS A ROOKIE, and granted he is not Von Miller; however, he is starting for us and is producing. He will continue to grow and expand on that production.

It's not his job to draw OL and Wolfe hasn't produced.

He wasn't drafted as a run stuffer, we already had TWO of those in Warren/Bannan and Vickerson at times.

Wolfe was drafted specifically to provide an interior pass rush and even though he's been moved around to try and get him more one on one matchups he hasn't delivered any kind of half decent pressure.

chickennob2
10-18-2012, 01:27 PM
It's not his job to draw OL and Wolfe hasn't produced.

He wasn't drafted as a run stuffer, we already had TWO of those in Warren/Bannan and Vickerson at times.

Wolfe was drafted specifically to provide an interior pass rush and even though he's been moved around to try and get him more one on one matchups he hasn't delivered any kind of half decent pressure.

He has 3 sacks and 3 more QB hits. What more do you want from a rookie second round pick in his first 6 games?

Action
10-18-2012, 01:31 PM
The problem around here is people have ridiculous bench marks.

What is decent? Somewhere close to JJ Watt?

The fact that he's getting ANY PRESSURE is better than 95% of the DT's that come out of college during ANY ROUND of the draft including top 10 picks.

fwf
10-18-2012, 01:34 PM
.

Pros:
1. Plays with a very high motor.


ugh. might as well say he has a good personality.

fontaine
10-18-2012, 01:35 PM
He has 3 sacks and 3 more QB hits. What more do you want from a rookie second round pick in his first 6 games?

And he's played how many snaps?

It's irrelevant what I want. It's what the team drafted him for that's important.

He's playing almost every single defensive snap, with guys like Doom/Von commanding direct attention and he's not provided more hurries.

I don't expect him to rack up the sacks, the team expects him to log quality snaps by hurrying the passer from the inside because he's not an edge rusher.

I'm not sure if he becomes a good interior pass rusher or not but he's certainly been given enough snaps, favorable matchups and opportunities to do so.

fontaine
10-18-2012, 01:44 PM
The problem around here is people have ridiculous bench marks.


Yes, that's absolutely right. I do have ridiculous benchmarks because it takes extraordinary performances to win the Superbowl. THAT'S my benchmark for the Broncos.

What's the point otherwise?


What is decent? Somewhere close to JJ Watt?

The fact that he's getting ANY PRESSURE is better than 95% of the DT's that come out of college during ANY ROUND of the draft including top 10 picks.

Better? Maybe, but good enough? No.

Anyone who thinks the road to the Superbowl in the AFC in the next few years doesn't go directly through New England is deluding themselves.

The ONLY teams to consistently have success against Brady in the playoffs are teams with multiple pass rushers - from the outside/inside etc.

We've already wasted one first round pick recently in Ayers who's simply not a pass rusher. I don't want another one wasted in Wolfe so yes, the expectations are high.

Just like they were for:

Orlando Franklin,
Hillman,
Decker/DT,
Moreno etc etc.

We have at the most a three year window with Manning for the SuperBowl and after Manning all bets are off. It's absolutely important that our draft picks contribute in a big way as early as possible.

Br0nc0Buster
10-18-2012, 01:49 PM
Yes, that's absolutely right. I do have ridiculous benchmarks because it takes extraordinary performances to win the Superbowl. THAT'S my benchmark for the Broncos.

What's the point otherwise?




Better? Maybe, but good enough? No.

Anyone who thinks the road to the Superbowl in the AFC in the next few years doesn't go directly through New England is deluding themselves.

The ONLY teams to consistently have success against Brady in the playoffs are teams with multiple pass rushers - from the outside/inside etc.

We've already wasted one first round pick recently in Ayers who's simply not a pass rusher. I don't want another one wasted in Wolfe so yes, the expectations are high.

Just like they were for:

Orlando Franklin,
Hillman,
Decker/DT,
Moreno etc etc.

We have at the most a three year window with Manning for the SuperBowl and after Manning all bets are off. It's absolutely important that our draft picks contribute in a big way as early as possible.

With the way he looks right now I am not so sure about that
I originally thought 3 years as well
But dude looks like he could go another 5

Unless his arm strength just completely falls off the map the next year or two I don't see what he is lacking that would prevent him from playing into his 40's like Favre

Action
10-18-2012, 01:49 PM
Yes, that's absolutely right. I do have ridiculous benchmarks because it takes extraordinary performances to win the Superbowl. THAT'S my benchmark for the Broncos.

What's the point otherwise?




Better? Maybe, but good enough? No.

Anyone who thinks the road to the Superbowl in the AFC in the next few years doesn't go directly through New England is deluding themselves.

The ONLY teams to consistently have success against Brady in the playoffs are teams with multiple pass rushers - from the outside/inside etc.

We've already wasted one first round pick recently in Ayers who's simply not a pass rusher. I don't want another one wasted in Wolfe so yes, the expectations are high.

Just like they were for:

Orlando Franklin,
Hillman,
Decker/DT,
Moreno etc etc.

We have at the most a three year window with Manning for the SuperBowl and after Manning all bets are off. It's absolutely important that our draft picks contribute in a big way as early as possible.

Ok at least you admit it.

However you are completely being unrealistic. If you have expectations of a 2nd round pick to be playing at DPOY level in his first year, then I don't really have any room in this conversation. Considering it's well documented how long it takes DT's to develop.

I'm not sure why you're not complaining as to why Hillman isn't as good as LT in his prime.

fontaine
10-18-2012, 02:03 PM
Ok at least you admit it.

However you are completely being unrealistic. If you have expectations of a 2nd round pick to be playing at DPOY level in his first year, then I don't really have any room in this conversation. Considering it's well documented how long it takes DT's to develop.

I'm not sure why you're not complaining as to why Hillman isn't as good as LT in his prime.

Yes, sure I'm being unrealistic. But those are the expectations you have to have to run through teams like Houston/New England/Green Bay or Atlanta to achieve what this team's ultimate goal is.

And no, I'm not talking about DPOY, I'm talking about quality snaps in hurries/hits and plays compared to the amount of snaps he's getting.

Here's the bottom line: You may treat him like a rookie but that's not the way the Broncos and JDR are treating him.

They've kept him in there for more snaps than any other DL other than Dumervil because they're expecting him to produce now, not 3-4 years down the road.

Did you see how easy it was for New England to negate Von Miller by running the no huddle, going with two TEs to force him into coverage?

Yeah, that's half of our pass rush gone out of the window right there and then you just double team Doom or have the RB chip him in the backfield.

That's our entire pass rush neutralized off a base offense, running a no huddle but still having effective personal to score 24-30 points on us.

Not every team can do that. But AFC playoff teams can and will.

So, that leaves the DTs and Ayers. Take your pick as to who's going to rush the passer from that group.

Beantown Bronco
10-18-2012, 02:15 PM
The Broncos aren't exactly unique there fontaine. Take away the two best pass rushers on the DLine for any other team in the NFL and they have the same issue. Nobody has 3+ premier pass rushers on one DLine. They blitz LBs or DBs to compensate when their best pass rushers are being schemed against..

cutthemdown
10-18-2012, 02:27 PM
Broncos seem to be finding decent players each draft. They look like real NFL starters and Miller is a stud. Elway is doing it IMO. Next offseason I bet he finds some interior oline help, linebacker help and the Broncos will be really good. Manning in his 2nd yr and our WR's would by then be fully developed.

We don't know about Hillman yet but if he worked out that would be a huge bonus. If he doesn't we probably need more rbs also.

fontaine
10-18-2012, 02:31 PM
The Broncos aren't exactly unique there fontaine. Take away the two best pass rushers on the DLine for any other team in the NFL and they have the same issue. Nobody has 3+ premier pass rushers on one DLine.


You are absolutely right, except for the Giants who stockpile pass rushers. Remember what they did against the Pats the last two times in the superbowl?

The few times Brady played great on drives was when they handled the Giants 4 man pass rush. But along with having excellent disguised coverages and shifting looks from the secondary and multiple pass rushers they did just enough to slow down New England.

They blitz LBs or DBs to compensate when their best pass rushers are being schemed against..

Yes, that's right too. We did it in the playoffs against New England in '05 when Al Wilson, John Lynch took turns blitzing and burying Brady into the turf.

But we don't have a John Lynch or an Al Wilson or LBer/DBs that are anywhere near as good reading the play, going through traffic and blitzing or can compensate on the back end on blitzes and maintain tight coverage on TEs.

So that leaves us with the pass rush . .. . . . and to Derek Wolfe.

HILife
10-18-2012, 02:41 PM
JJ Watt (rookie season) through 6 games (started all)

18 tackles, 1 Sack

Derek Wolfe through 6 games. (started all)

17 tackles, 3 Sacks

What do you guys think of Wolfe's play so far? Do you think he has a high ceiling or not?

By comparing his rookie stats to JJ I am in no way saying hes on his level or saying he ever will be I just think they have similar builds and both have high motors.

Warren Sapp's rookie year got 3 sacks in 16 games with 8 starts.

Championship?

http://www.nfl.com/player/warrensapp/2502833/profile

Lolad
10-18-2012, 02:54 PM
An interior pass rusher is very hard to find... He's a rookies who's learning two positions on job, cut him some slack.

SeedReaver
10-18-2012, 04:21 PM
"Wolfeman" just seems like such an uncreative nickname. It's like calling the "Immaculate Reception" the "Nice Catch." Not as crappy as "The Sheriff" but still pretty bad.

I'm sticking with Methwolfe: The Tiger Shark from the Trailer Park.
:wave:

randomtask
10-18-2012, 06:10 PM
:wave:

DemonPenz?

LongDongJohnson
10-19-2012, 02:24 AM
Stats dont always tell the whole story.

Watt is probably the best player at his position.

Unfair to compare Meth to him.