Numbers massage: "large state" left out of jobless claim report - intentional?

[Kaylore]

First this report:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371146

This of course created a lot of buzz and only once the information was well spread did this little tidbit come out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jobless-claims-impacted-by-one-state-2012-10


"However, the report may not be as positive as the sharp drop indicates. A Labor Department economist said one large state didn't report additional quarterly figures as expected, accounting for a substantial part of the decrease."

Initially, rumors started circulating that an entire state's worth of jobless claims was excluded.

The DoL was not immediately available to comment.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jobless-claims-impacted-by-one-state-2012-10#ixzz290UgTlNP

So first there's the pumped up stats with largely part timers, likely people who have have fallen off unemployment for so long they HAD to find work somewhere (but it counts as a job.)

Now you have a "large state" (probably California) not reporting their unemployment numbers to try and puff up the numbers to look better than they are. Mind you, this wasn't pointed out until the jobs report was accepted as gospel.

Strategy: Proctect Big Bird and present false date showing you're doing a good job. Awesome. Ha!

[lonestar]

Saw that also this morning. This is just getting stupid. After expectations of a rebound in initial claims from 367K last week (naturally revised higher to 369K), to 370K (with the lowest of all sellside expectations at 355K), the past week mysteriously, yet so very unsurprisingly in the aftermath of the fudged BLS unemployment number, saw claims tumble to a number that is so ridiculous not even CNBC's Steve Liesman bothered defending it, or 339K. Ironically, not even the Labor Department is defending it: it said that "one large state didn't report some quarterly figures." Great, but what was reported was a headline grabbing number that is just stunning for reelection purposes. This was the lowest number since 2008. The only point to have this print? For 2-3 bulletin talking points at the Vice Presidential debate tonight. Everything else is now noise.

It is also sad that the US "economy" has devolved to such trivial data fudging on a week by week basis, which makes even the Chinese Department of Truth appear amateurish by comparison. Needless to say, Not Seasonally Adjusted initial claims jumped by 26K to 327K in the past week but who's counting. Finally, what is the reason for ongoing QEternity if the employment situation is now back to normal. Finally, in completely ignored news, because who needs global trade when you have toner cartridge, and generally ink, the US trade deficit in August rose by 4.1% to $44.2 billion, on expectations of a deterioration to $44.0 billion. Then again nobody talks about the US trade deficit during presidential debates so all good here.

Read more here. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-11/data-massaging-continues-initial-claims-tumble-339k-lowest-2008-far-below-lowest-exp

Does anyone now really believe that the morons in BLS did not THINK something was wrong or are they just that corrupt to think it would not come out until after the elections.

[Pony Boy]

Biden.......(note to self) don't bring up the drop in the jobless rate in the debate tonight.

[barryr]

There are members on the BLS that also happen to donate money to Obama's campaign, but it's just a coincidence folks. Like how the liberals talk about Romney trying to lie and steal the election and we see crap like this going on and makes one wonder for how long it has.

[pricejj]

No one believes anything that comes from this administration any more. Everything they do or say is based on a trumped up lie.

Obama. Worst. President. Ever.

[orinjkrush]

career BLS staff put together the reports and give them to "management" i.e. the politicos. what they do with them afterwards, is subject to all sorts of shenanigans. examples from other depts.: WMD in Iraq; Global Warming; Levee construction; Walter Reed Hospital.

as we see here on the Mane, politics often trumps facts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

L0L!

Right-wing conspiracy nuts are funny.

:laugh:

[maher_tyler]

So lets go back to what got us here in the first place...great idea!

[lonestar]

No one believes anything that comes from this administration any more. Everything they do or say is based on a trumped up lie.

Obama. Worst. President. Ever.


Shirley you jest..

3/4 of the posters in this area of the forum believe he is the best president that ever happened..

I'm thinking that they are all hiding there heads in the sand right now wondering if they can post again..

[Rohirrim]

First this report:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371146

This of course created a lot of buzz and only once the information was well spread did this little tidbit come out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jobless-claims-impacted-by-one-state-2012-10



So first there's the pumped up stats with largely part timers, likely people who have have fallen off unemployment for so long they HAD to find work somewhere (but it counts as a job.)

Now you have a "large state" (probably California) not reporting their unemployment numbers to try and puff up the numbers to look better than they are. Mind you, this wasn't pointed out until the jobs report was accepted as gospel.

Strategy: Proctect Big Bird and present false date showing you're doing a good job. Awesome. Ha!

Yeah. I prefer Romney's plan. What are the details? Who the **** knows? I know it has something to do with giving the rich more money and hoping for the old trickle down. Still waiting. I think it's been trickling down to the Cayman Islands.

[elsid13]

career BLS staff put together the reports and give them to "management" i.e. the politicos. what they do with them afterwards, is subject to all sorts of shenanigans. examples from other depts.: WMD in Iraq; Global Warming; Levee construction; Walter Reed Hospital.

as we see here on the Mane, politics often trumps facts.

Just so everyone knows how the process really works:
http://www.govexec.com/oversight/2012/10/charge-bls-employees-manipulated-jobs-data-called-unlikely/58633/

the monthly employment report is released by the BLS, an independent statistical agency within Labor that is staffed by career civil servants, many of whom have served throughout both Democratic and Republican administrations. The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis is in charge of GDP. Both agencies are guided by the same directive and rely on similar security measures to keep their data secret until the embargo lifts.

Each agency compartmentalizes the raw data. For the employment report, for example, most BLS analysts only see the data for a single sector, such as health care payrolls. Job growth in different sectors varies, making it difficult to get a clear picture of the headline number from a single category. In September, for example, health care picked up 44,000 jobs. Manufacturing, on the other hand, lost 16,000.

Doors to offices where embargoed data is reviewed are locked, and even within those offices, the data is kept in safes, BLS press officer Gary Steinberg said. Just a handful of employees gather in closed-door meetings to compile the final reports. At the BEA, attendees of these meetings adhere to a superstition: They don’t speak the GDP number aloud, said Thomas Dail, a BEA spokesperson. Materials from the meeting are secured; even scraps of paper bearing doodles and ink cartridges are locked up until the BEA embargo lifts.

The Labor Department has had strict policies in place for decades, said Keith Hall, who served from 2008 through this year as the thirteenth commissioner of the BLS. “BLS is keenly aware—I was certainly keenly aware when I was commissioner—that this is data that has a lot of potential value,” he said.

By Hall’s estimate, more than 100 people are involved in the BLS process from collection to its final analysis for the president. It would be very difficult for the administration to manipulate such a crowd.

The data is also compiled under an incredibly tight deadline, leaving little time for manipulation. Hall wouldn’t learn the details of the household survey, which determines the unemployment rate, until Monday of the week it was made public. The payroll data, which determines the number of jobs added or lost, would come to him on Wednesday. All agencies that deal with statistics operate under a similar mantra, he said: “Once you put the data together, don’t hold onto it.”

When the final numbers are ready, Statistical Policy Directive Number 3 requires they be shared with the president through the Chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers before they are released to the public. That means the president does not even see the numbers until late in the day before release.

Hall is particularly well-suited to speak to the process. Before taking on his role at BLS, Hall was chief economist to the Council of Economic Advisors from 2005 to 2008, where he and a handful of colleagues were tasked with summarizing the closely guarded monthly jobs report ahead of its release for President George W. Bush.

On Thursday, the day before the report was publicly released, a BLS official would hand-deliver the memo to the White House, usually around 3 p.m., Hall said. There was talk of transmitting it digitally, but officials couldn’t identify a method secure enough. Sometimes data would be entered into a spreadsheet on a computer isolated from the rest of the White House network.

Administration economic advisers would get to work analyzing and summarizing it for the president. “Even within the Council of Economic Advisors, there’s still only a handful—three or four—who get to see the numbers,” Hall said.

The next morning, a small group of journalists, cut off from communication with the outside world, get an early peek at the data in a pre-release lockup. The BEA shares its numbers with the agency’s web team at 7:45 a.m. The team, whose communications have also been cut off, prepares the data for its Internet debut.

“I’m not aware of any concerns that data were within BLS were manipulated for political purposes,” said Steinberg, a long-time employee of the bureau.

Safeguarding the integrity of the data has long been considered a crucial priority among government officials in both parties because the economic numbers are tracked closely by investors around the world who buy and sell U.S. Treasury bonds and stocks in American companies. As countries like Greece and Argentina have had to learn the hard way, any hint that the data might be compromised can gravely harm an economy.

[Smiling Assassin27]

First this report:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371146

This of course created a lot of buzz and only once the information was well spread did this little tidbit come out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jobless-claims-impacted-by-one-state-2012-10



So first there's the pumped up stats with largely part timers, likely people who have have fallen off unemployment for so long they HAD to find work somewhere (but it counts as a job.)

Now you have a "large state" (probably California) not reporting their unemployment numbers to try and puff up the numbers to look better than they are. Mind you, this wasn't pointed out until the jobs report was accepted as gospel.

Strategy: Proctect Big Bird and present false date showing you're doing a good job. Awesome. Ha!

EVERYTHING this president/administration does and says must be run through the 'deceptive or just incompetent' -inator.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

L0L @ these right-wing yokels who really think the BLS and other offices are skewing their data to help Obama. :laugh:

I thought these dumb f_cks were constitutionally incapable of entertaining any sort of conspiracy theories?

http://www.bartcop.com/lie-faster.jpg

[~Crash~]

Yeah. I prefer Romney's plan. What are the details? Who the **** knows? I know it has something to do with giving the rich more money and hoping for the old trickle down. Still waiting. I think it's been trickling down to the Cayman Islands.



You are waiting that is ****ing problem numb nuts! Put your ****ing back in it !:curtsey:

[~Crash~]

L0L @ these right-wing yokels who really think the BLS and other offices are skewing their data to help Obama. :laugh:

I thought these dumb f_cks were constitutionally incapable of entertaining any sort of conspiracy theories?

http://www.bartcop.com/lie-faster.jpg

love it ... you did make me chuckle ...when they invent a time machine move to Germany your stuff went over well in 1930 . :wave:oh and learn the goose step

[~Crash~]

Biden did one thing last night ... Democrats are back to there hatefull selfs . yepp that should ge independent ladies....lol

[TonyR]

No one believes anything that comes from this administration any more.

The jobless claim report doesn't come from "this administration".

[TonyR]

EVERYTHING this president/administration does and says must be run through the 'deceptive or just incompetent' -inator.

LOL Yes, you should run to the polls and vote for the ticket of honesty: Romney/Ryan!!!

You're always good for a laugh, I'll give you that much. Hilarious!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

love it ... you did make me chuckle ...when they invent a time machine move to Germany your stuff went over well in 1930 . :wave:oh and learn the goose step

Right on cue with the sort of incoherent, non-sequitur tripe we've come to expect from Teabilly Nation. ::)

[Jetmeck]

First this report:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371146

This of course created a lot of buzz and only once the information was well spread did this little tidbit come out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jobless-claims-impacted-by-one-state-2012-10



So first there's the pumped up stats with largely part timers, likely people who have have fallen off unemployment for so long they HAD to find work somewhere (but it counts as a job.)

Now you have a "large state" (probably California) not reporting their unemployment numbers to try and puff up the numbers to look better than they are. Mind you, this wasn't pointed out until the jobs report was accepted as gospel.

Strategy: Proctect Big Bird and present false date showing you're doing a good job. Awesome. Ha!



Didn't know you were affiliated with the ass clowns who immeediately go to spin mode when the facts don't line up with their views.

This is BS plain and simple...............

These reports have been going down in almost every case but all of a suddeen this one is cooked up.?? Really ?

If there were gonna cook the books they would have done it early and often, certainly before now.

Nothing has changed, this report was done EXACTLY as every report before it.

Kaylore......you are embarassing yourself


Weekly job numbers fr uneployment came out couple of days ago and backed up the October job numbers.

DOL gal sorry forget her name clearly stated she was insulted anyone would think that from a non partisan branch of government.

You guys keep reaching because your ass was blown up last night.

Round 2 come Tuesday and when the facts are front and center...your guys have NO ANSWERS.

[Jetmeck]

Biden did one thing last night ... Democrats are back to there hatefull selfs . yepp that should ge independent ladies....lol

**** you....let em be clear...**** YOU...you hypocrite.

Romney did the exact same thing thing last week MINUS THE FACTS and people like you loved it.

**** you clown

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

**** you....let em be clear...**** YOU...you hypocrite.

Romney did the exact same thing thing last week MINUS THE FACTS and people like you loved it.

**** you clown

Exactly.

Give these Teabilly sh*t stains a dose of their own medicine, and they start blubbering like eight year-old girls with skinned knees.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/550704_539693499381536_1347788263_n.jpg

[Jetmeck]

Oh I see Biden was aggresive and pushy and you didn;t like it even though Romney did the exact same thing last night. HYPROCITES


TRUTH IS YOU RIGHT TARDS GOT TORCHED ON VERY ISSUE LAST NIGHT.

Tax cuts still don't add up. Foreign policies are the same.

Tax cuts fro the rich haven't made any jobs in ten years but they

will in fantasyland where Ryan is from cause he says so like Romney says five trillion in tax cuts for the rich won't cost the middle class or raise the deficiit.

You guys got torched but keep flailing about blaming Biden for being agressive just like Romney did.

Also keep with the conspiracy theories on job numbers as well.

Your embarassing yourself.

[Kaylore]

Reaching? It's true that the unemployment numbers for a large state were completely left off the report. That's a fact confirmed by the labor department. To Obama's credit, they weren't promoting the new report knowing this was a skewed number, but the timing of the report with that egregious of an error is highly suspicious.

Jetmeck, you really need to lighten up.

[lonestar]

Reaching? It's true that the unemployment numbers for a large state were completely left off the report. That's a fact confirmed by the labor department. To Obama's credit, they weren't promoting the new report knowing this was a skewed number, but the timing of the report with that egregious of an error is highly suspicious.

Jetmeck, you really need to lighten up.

a really decent poster in football, but way out of control in this forum..

as for your timing comment other than the far left wing who seem to be clueless it is beyond suspicious..

[ant1999e]

Reaching? It's true that the unemployment numbers for a large state were completely left off the report. That's a fact confirmed by the labor department. To Obama's credit, they weren't promoting the new report knowing this was a skewed number, but the timing of the report with that egregious of an error is highly suspicious.

Jetmeck, you really need to lighten up.

Jetmeck's a spaz and not worth debating with. That's why I have him on Ignore.
This is very fitting:

Proverbs 29:9
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
9 When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man,
[a]The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.

[Kaylore]

I like Jetmeck's football takes, so I won't put him on ignore. He does like to go to the "they can't win and they know it" comment a lot though. A lot of Republicans not only don't know they can't win, but honestly believe they can win. This might be because they have won before. But that's just a guess.

[lonestar]

I like Jetmeck's football takes, so I won't put him on ignore. He does like to go to the "they can't win and they know it" comment a lot though. A lot of Republicans not only don't know they can't win, but honestly believe they can win. This might be because they have won before. But that's just a guess.

good post..
I reserve IGGY to the absolutely worst nothing to say morons..

most of them only post in politics and since I spend a lot less time in that area do not miss them at all..

Most of them do not post in the football side of this FOOTBALL forum..

why not is beyond me.. if they are that dumb they can only debate politics on a football forum well most certainly not worth wasting band width on..

[barryr]

Jetmeck's a spaz and not worth debating with. That's why I have him on Ignore.
This is very fitting:

Proverbs 29:9
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
9 When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man,
[a]The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.

It fits the vast majority of liberals. ^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

a really decent poster in football, but way out of control in this forum..


Translation: "Confronts me with too many inconvenient facts and uncomfortable realities."

I guess the stupid tripe you post here beats having to actually defend your party's record or argue your candidate's merits.

[Blart]

Kaylore posts a thread parroting a right-wing crackpot conspiracy.


Here's what he posts in a different conspiracy thread today:

I'm a conservative and this type of stuff is what's wrong with politics. I don't think this really matters even if he did. If he wore an Irish clauda ring, would that make him a Wiccan?

But let's not pretend both sides don't do this stuff. I recall two lies: like how Bush supposedly "didn't know what supermarket scanner was" and asked the leader of Brazil "you have blacks too?". Both didn't happen, but everyone pretended it did.

Not so above it.

[elsid13]

Reaching? It's true that the unemployment numbers for a large state were completely left off the report. That's a fact confirmed by the labor department. To Obama's credit, they weren't promoting the new report knowing this was a skewed number, but the timing of the report with that egregious of an error is highly suspicious.

Jetmeck, you really need to lighten up.

By law the report has to be issued on certain date and time.

[Rohirrim]

You are waiting that is ****ing problem numb nuts! Put your ****ing back in it !:curtsey:

"An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plutarch

[lonestar]

By law the report has to be issued on certain date and time.

you are correct, BUT to publish it without saying up front California was not included well is less than truthful and is really just part of this administration..

Business are usual..

Lets get the BIG headline and then quietly adjust it and hope no one notices..

[W*GS]

'lonestar' actually has the ballz to show up after being spanked into the ground over his "Obama's ring has a Muslim oath on it" thread.

He'll believe any right-wing horse****.

[barryr]

you are correct, BUT to publish it without saying up front California was not included well is less than truthful and is really just part of this administration..

Business are usual..

Lets get the BIG headline and then quietly adjust it and hope no one notices..

True, they tried that with Libya too and would have gotten away with it if nobody had died, but most people want answers to why Americans die in attacks in foreign countries.

[lonestar]

'lonestar' actually has the ballz to show up after being spanked into the ground over his "Obama's ring has a Muslim oath on it" thread.

He'll believe any right-wing horse****.

Just as you will believe any bullet point thrown your way by the far left.. and IIRC I posted 2 times in that thread and walked away so if I was spanked I did not see it..

and yes I have large balls

as for the allegation, as of the time I posted it it was not false per snopes.. which is a left leaning site..

[W*GS]

Just as you will believe any bullet point thrown your way by the far left..

Projecting your gullibility onto others is pathetic. I'm a skeptic.

and IIRC I posted 2 times in that thread and walked away so if I was spanked I did nto see it..

Too ashamed, eh? You walked away because you were shown a fool.

and yes I have large balls

Bigger than your brain, obviously.

[Punisher]

Reason why the Roman Empire fell - Unemployment of the Working Classes (The Plebs)
Cheap slave labor in turn resulted in the unemployment of the the people of Rome who became dependent on hand-outs from the state. The Romans attempted a policy of unrestricted trade but this led to working class Romans being unable to compete with foreign trade. The government were therefore forced to subsidize the working class Romans to make up the differences in prices. This resulted in thousands of Romans choosing just to live on the subsides sacrificing their standard of living with an idle life of ease. The massive divide between the rich and the poor increased still further.

[lonestar]

Projecting your gullibility onto others is pathetic. I'm a skeptic.



Too ashamed, eh? You walked away because you were shown a fool.



Bigger than your brain, obviously.

ok Wild Ass Guess..

I have not seen the thread since I posted the last time and that was hardly being shown a fool..

I showed at that time other sources of the pictures of said ring since then I have had a live and not set here worried about looking at a past post..

whether it is true false or in between I could care less.

his going to a "Christian" church prior to the election was a farce and used only to get him elected..

Most likely trying to hide his true beliefs.. As much as he has supported his muslim brothers, my money would be allah..

But you go ahead and believe what you wish..

[W*GS]

Thanks for proving you're the bukakke boy of the Obama-hating Right, lonestar.

[lonestar]

Thanks for proving you're the boy of the Obama-hating Right, lonestar.

Lookie, lookie here another mudslinger, when in doubt call names and insult..


I do not hate the guy, just do not have my head up my ass about him like many do..

[Irish Stout]

ok Wild Ass Guess..

I have not seen the thread since I posted the last time and that was hardly being shown a fool..

I showed at that time other sources of the pictures of said ring since then I have had a live and not set here worried about looking at a past post..

whether it is true false or in between I could care less.

his going to a "Christian" church prior to the election was a farce and used only to get him elected..

Most likely trying to hide his true beliefs.. As much as he has supported his muslim brothers, my money would be allah..

But you go ahead and believe what you wish..

You are a hateful ignorant bastard. That is what was determined in the other thread. But you go ahead and believe what you wish. Dirt bag.

[Irish Stout]

I like Jetmeck's football takes, so I won't put him on ignore. He does like to go to the "they can't win and they know it" comment a lot though. A lot of Republicans not only don't know they can't win, but honestly believe they can win. This might be because they have won before. But that's just a guess.

I like Jetmeck's football takes too. I also lean his way in the political forums. However, I have a hard time even looking at his posts here, they shoot from way over the top almost every time and he has the perspective of sunshine and puppy dogs for all democrats. Love you Jetmeck, but I don't think you're looking at politics realistically.

[lonestar]

You are a hateful ignorant bastard. That is what was determined in the other thread. But you go ahead and believe what you wish. Dirt bag.

As I said I have not been back there and until I do that is my stance..

Most folks come here for the FOOTBALL, so that is where I spend 98% of my time..

If y'all wish to believe he is a Christian that is your prerogative..

I choose not..


again.. best you got is dirt bag?

but that is typical of the far angry left..

big internet thugs..

[Irish Stout]

As I said I have not been back there and until I do that is my stance..

Most folks come here for the FOOTBALL, so that is where I spend 98% of my time..

If y'all wish to believe he is a Christian that is your prerogative..

I choose not..


again.. best you got is dirt bag?

but that is typical of the far angry left..

big internet thugs..

What more do you want? I think you're a dirtbag. I went into great detail in the other thread explaining why. I see its real hard to click on it and respond there, but you can take your time posting here... Makes a lot of sense dude.

Most posters seem to agree that the bs you were spouting was based in pure hate and has been refuted over and over and over. Its very deep seeded with people like you. I don't know what it is, but some fear that has been fostered in you leads you to believe and then repeat and spout fictionalized hateful things. Most of the time you seem like a fairly intelligent dude, but not on this stuff.

You can call it angry liberal attitude if you want, but Kaylore agreed with me and I agreed with him that its not good for people in general to make up lies and then spread them around about anyone, including the lies that went around about Bush. Its not a left thing or a right thing its a decent human being thing. I don't care if you hate Obama because of his politics or his policies. You can claim the administration fudged the job report and that is a legitimate attack... but this continual subversive attack on Obama's religion, nationality and race are just absolutely disgusting. They really do derive out of some real backwater issues that you and many others are harboring.

If it makes you feel any better, the hate is not saddled solely on you lodestar, but you're pushing it out big time here.

[mhgaffney]

No one believes anything that comes from this administration any more. Everything they do or say is based on a trumped up lie.

Obama. Worst. President. Ever.

You are both right and wrong.

Yeah it's all lies. But this is not new. It was also true under GW Bush, and under Clinton, and under HW Bush, and under Reagan too.

As I keep saying -- the problem no one is talking about is the vacuum of leadership. This is how it is when Banksters run a nation from the shadows.

We have the appearance of democracy. Yet the on;y populist candidate was effectively marginalized early in the campaign -- I mean of course Ron Paul.

No accident that Ron Paul was frisked at the Republican convention. (I read a report to this effect -- I assume it's true.)

That was to show who's running the show. Hint: It ain't the people.

MHG

[W*GS]

An entry from the gaffe dictionary:

bankster |ˈbaNGkstər|
noun
Jew

[mhgaffney]

An entry from the gaffe dictionary:

bankster |ˈbaNGkstər|
noun
Jew

Perhaps our resident Zionist will comment about Miko Peled's recent talk in Seattle. Peled is a Jew. His dad was a famous Israeli general.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32739.htm

Peled says Israel is a terrorist state and calls for the dismantling of Zionism.

In other words- - he's speaking simple truths.

[W*GS]

Perhaps our resident Nazi will answer two simple questions.

How 'bout it, Herr gaffe?

[lonestar]

What more do you want? I think you're a dirtbag. I went into great detail in the other thread explaining why. I see its real hard to click on it and respond there, but you can take your time posting here... Makes a lot of sense dude.

Most posters seem to agree that the bs you were spouting was based in pure hate and has been refuted over and over and over. Its very deep seeded with people like you. I don't know what it is, but some fear that has been fostered in you leads you to believe and then repeat and spout fictionalized hateful things. Most of the time you seem like a fairly intelligent dude, but not on this stuff.

You can call it angry liberal attitude if you want, but Kaylore agreed with me and I agreed with him that its not good for people in general to make up lies and then spread them around about anyone, including the lies that went around about Bush. Its not a left thing or a right thing its a decent human being thing. I don't care if you hate Obama because of his politics or his policies. You can claim the administration fudged the job report and that is a legitimate attack... but this continual subversive attack on Obama's religion, nationality and race are just absolutely disgusting. They really do derive out of some real backwater issues that you and many others are harboring.

If it makes you feel any better, the hate is not saddled solely on you lodestar, but you're pushing it out big time here.


Just a quick note. I have a life that does not JUST include spending time on here to respond to moronic posts.

I came here for football. Not to listen to morons spout their petty thoughts on politics.

Every so often I do post in here. As for my allegation. So far no one has proved it wrong. While I have not checked snopes today as of last night it was not false.

Just as your side believe anything posted on their websites or their talking points bullets. Sometimes I post the same thing. So far NO ONE has proved it false just attacked the few sites I listed.

They Probably have as much validity as your bullet point venues.

So I have read the thread when I got time and replied. I find it sad that the far left is relegated to calling names and obscene posting.

If the shoe fits where it if not then that is not pointed at you.

In fact you have had some valid points in your posts and do not recall rabid vitriol in them like half of your brethren.

[BowlenBall]

First this report:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371146

This of course created a lot of buzz and only once the information was well spread did this little tidbit come out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jobless-claims-impacted-by-one-state-2012-10



So first there's the pumped up stats with largely part timers, likely people who have have fallen off unemployment for so long they HAD to find work somewhere (but it counts as a job.)

Now you have a "large state" (probably California) not reporting their unemployment numbers to try and puff up the numbers to look better than they are. Mind you, this wasn't pointed out until the jobs report was accepted as gospel.

Strategy: Proctect Big Bird and present false date showing you're doing a good job. Awesome. Ha!

The website that Khan pulled his information from has issued a semi-retraction....

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-with-jobless-claims-2012-10

[BowlenBall]

Also from Business Insider:

The problem with conspiracy theories is that there have to be people involved. In order to manipulate data within the BLS, you would have to get a surprisingly large number of people to cooperate. The fact is that many of these people have been with the BLS for many years and started working there during many different administrations, so presumably, they have different political affiliations, making it very unlikely that everyone would have cooperated in a conspiracy to cook the books this past month. Someone would have blown the whistle. It would be a career- ending move to try to manipulate the data, not to mention that I’m sure there are many laws against such manipulation.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mauldin-the-unemployment-surprise-2012-10#ixzz29H8KZXiL

I think that an inappropriate line has been crossed with this particular conspiracy theory. This office that does the job reports is no more political than your local DMV or post office (in fact, I suspect that many if not most of the economists and other officials working there are Republican). Very poor form, they're simply releasing data that you don't like, and you're casting aspersions on their honor rather than dealing with it.

It does seem that the Republicans have moved into a "I'm very disappointed that the country is recovering" mindset.

[Rohirrim]

Also from Business Insider:

The problem with conspiracy theories is that there have to be people involved. In order to manipulate data within the BLS, you would have to get a surprisingly large number of people to cooperate. The fact is that many of these people have been with the BLS for many years and started working there during many different administrations, so presumably, they have different political affiliations, making it very unlikely that everyone would have cooperated in a conspiracy to cook the books this past month. Someone would have blown the whistle. It would be a career- ending move to try to manipulate the data, not to mention that I’m sure there are many laws against such manipulation.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mauldin-the-unemployment-surprise-2012-10#ixzz29H8KZXiL

I think that an inappropriate line has been crossed with this particular conspiracy theory. This office that does the job reports is no more political than your local DMV or post office (in fact, I suspect that many if not most of the economists and other officials working there are Republican). Very poor form, they're simply releasing data that you don't like, and you're casting aspersions on their honor rather than dealing with it.

It does seem that the Republicans have moved into a "I'm very disappointed that the country is recovering" mindset.

It's politically inconvenient. And that's all that matters to them.

[JCMElway]

Folks, let's clean this up a bit. It is the Warp forum, but try to come with constructive arguments/facts instead of cursing and name calling; and any combination of those two.

Also, we're starting to have some racist overtones here in this thread....bans will be forthcoming if those heat up.

Thanks all.