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Ronnie Tsunami
09-25-2012, 11:15 AM
haHAHAHAHAHAHahahahaHAHAHAHaha wow...

NFL suspended Broncos LB Joe Mays for one game for the helmet-to-helmet hit he put on Texans QB Matt Schaub. Mays is appealing suspension.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/250659113040744448

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-25-2012, 11:19 AM
Lol. What the **** ever, NFL. Go **** yourselves.

DenverBroncosJM
09-25-2012, 11:20 AM
No way...

kappys
09-25-2012, 11:21 AM
Sound about right, I wonder if Trevathan will get on the field at all this coming week - I'm curious to see what he can do with some defensive snaps

Agamemnon
09-25-2012, 11:23 AM
Addition by subtraction...

DBroncos4life
09-25-2012, 11:24 AM
Any Steelers suspended for killing DHB?

crush17
09-25-2012, 11:25 AM
What a freakin joke.

kappys
09-25-2012, 11:25 AM
Any Steelers suspended for killing DHB?

The league only cares about quarterbacks

broncocalijohn
09-25-2012, 11:29 AM
Sound about right, I wonder if Trevathan will get on the field at all this coming week - I'm curious to see what he can do with some defensive snaps

This might be a good thing. Will this be the minor Wally Pipp of football? We could hope so.

Google Wally Pipp if you don't understand that line.

BroncoMan4ever
09-25-2012, 11:31 AM
Bull**** call on the league's part. It was a vicious hit, but it was not dirty. He did not lead with the helmet, did not launch himself, did not drive the QB to the ground.

swaiy
09-25-2012, 11:37 AM
Meanwhile, Ryan Mundy of the Steelers is thanking his lucky stars after giving two players a concussion in the same damn game.

Bronco Yoda
09-25-2012, 11:38 AM
Just what i expected. it would have been an awesome play had he not dipped his helmet down.

dictionary
09-25-2012, 11:40 AM
The Ginger-Eye of Sauron strikes again at the heart of Broncos Country. Awesome. I can only imagine what new presents will be delivered after we dismantle the raiders.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2012, 11:41 AM
Wow, come on. Is he a repeat offender?

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 11:42 AM
Addition by subtraction...

This.

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 11:42 AM
Just what i expected. it would have been an awesome play had he not dipped his helmet down.

Come in feet first

NFLBRONCO
09-25-2012, 11:43 AM
NFL should go co-ed they are making it more wimpy every year.

MagicHef
09-25-2012, 11:43 AM
Connor Barwin will receive the same suspension for his helmet to helmet hit on Manning, correct?

Houshyamama
09-25-2012, 11:46 AM
The NFL is really testing my patience this year.

There are a LOT of other things I could do on Sundays.

maven
09-25-2012, 11:46 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/250659113040744448

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bronco militia
09-25-2012, 11:50 AM
maybe someone will cover the TE this week

houghtam
09-25-2012, 11:54 AM
Look the tackle in next time, dumbass.

canadianbroncosfan
09-25-2012, 12:00 PM
so what you're saying is Trevathan will get some snaps?

I don't agree with the suspension but it may be a blessing in disguise for our LBs

55CrushEm
09-25-2012, 12:01 PM
Come in feet first

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Bronco Yoda
09-25-2012, 12:10 PM
Come in feet first

I've come to the conclusion that the only way not to get flagged these days is a belly to belly hit on the QB with the defenders arms spread out to the side in submission. Good luck actually pulling that off.

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2012, 12:13 PM
Addition by subtraction...

THIS!

ghwk
09-25-2012, 12:13 PM
Never would have been suspended if Shaubs cheap ear had stayed on.

Bigdawg26
09-25-2012, 12:15 PM
Is it me or is the league using the broncos as an example this whole season? First it was JDR and Fox, and now it's Mays! They better have a high fine for Bellicheck and Shanny Jr. for their actions on the refs!

enjolras
09-25-2012, 12:19 PM
THIS!

Really? Who in the hell is going to play middle linebacker? We basically don't have a backup on the team.

enjolras
09-25-2012, 12:20 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the only way not to get flagged these days is a belly to belly hit on the QB with the defenders arms spread out to the side in submission. Good luck actually pulling that off.

It's essentially what Mays did. It wasn't head first, his facemask was up.. he just completely trucked the QB who was holding on to the ball until the very last microsecond. If his helmet stays on, no one even notices and we're just talking about the amazing almost-catch and even more amazing defense by Bailey.

DBroncos4life
09-25-2012, 12:21 PM
Really? Who in the hell is going to play middle linebacker? We basically don't have a backup on the team.
I guess a 200 pound MLB that uns a 4.8 is our answer to the MLB problem.

enjolras
09-25-2012, 12:24 PM
I guess a 200 pound MLB that uns a 4.8 is our answer to the MLB problem.

I think Mays is awful. I'm quite on the record about it. The problem is, there is literally nothing behind him. We could move DJ Williams into the center in a pinch, but..oh ya... he's kind of not available.

Hell is Nate Irving going to be available? (I doubt it)

With McFadden coming to town, if Mays is suspended this week the defense is going to be in a world of trouble.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 12:26 PM
so what you're saying is Trevathan will get some snaps?

I don't agree with the suspension but it may be a blessing in disguise for our LBs

Seven Johnson is next up on the depth chart at MLB.

Trevathan is 3rd at WLB.

swaiy
09-25-2012, 12:26 PM
I think Mays is awful. I'm quite on the record about it. The problem is, there is literally nothing behind him. We could move DJ Williams into the center in a pinch, but..oh ya... he's kind of not available.

Hell is Nate Irving going to be available? (I doubt it)

With McFadden coming to town, if Mays is suspended this week the defense is going to be in a world of trouble.

Im sure the three tackles Mays would have actually made might have had a chance at stopping McFadden.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 12:27 PM
I think Mays is awful. I'm quite on the record about it. The problem is, there is literally nothing behind him. We could move DJ Williams into the center in a pinch, but..oh ya... he's kind of not available.

Hell is Nate Irving going to be available? (I doubt it)

With McFadden coming to town, if Mays is suspended this week the defense is going to be in a world of trouble.

Hogwash, Johnson can stuff the run. Coverage skills are his weakness.

Action
09-25-2012, 12:29 PM
I'd be surprised if they put Johnson in there, but it looks like they might not have a choice..

Either that or Brooking and start Woodyard on the outside.

Punisher
09-25-2012, 12:38 PM
Mays did ****ed him up I didn't expect a game, a big fine yes but not a game.

bronco militia
09-25-2012, 12:41 PM
if he's appealing the suspension, then he probably plays this week

rbackfactory80
09-25-2012, 12:45 PM
I have no problem with the suspension but why doesn't the NFL come down on Belicheat.

swaiy
09-25-2012, 12:47 PM
if he's appealing the suspension, then he probably plays this week

Unless Goodell tells him he wont be changing the decision before the end of the week like he has been doing with the others that try to appeal.

2KBack
09-25-2012, 12:56 PM
I guess a 200 pound MLB that uns a 4.8 is our answer to the MLB problem.

who is that?

swaiy
09-25-2012, 12:56 PM
This is no blessing in disguise. It means more snaps for ****ing Keith Brooking. Not only is he old and slow as hell, he also has one of the ugliest first names in the English language.

Play2win
09-25-2012, 01:04 PM
Most satisfying football play I've seen in a decade...

ludo21
09-25-2012, 01:05 PM
looking forward to Steven Johnson, loved that guy in the preseason.

Nwp-Apap
09-25-2012, 01:10 PM
Everyone talking about wanting to see Steven Johnson, and I do too, but we won't. Brooking will start at MLB and Woodyard at WLB.

When Mays got nicked up and had to sit a series in the Steelers game, Brooking took his spot. Then the next two weeks Brooking started over Woodyard at WLB. When Mays serves his suspension it will probably be Brooking replacing him at MLB, and Woodyard replacing Brooking at WLB. Unfortunately.

razorwire77
09-25-2012, 01:16 PM
Oh noes. Who's going to step up on this team and miss some tackles in space?

Br0nc0Buster
09-25-2012, 01:19 PM
I dont even care anymore

The games have already become a clown show with the refs

Suspend him 5 games, it doesnt matter anymore

Rascal
09-25-2012, 01:19 PM
Brooking.

broncosteven
09-25-2012, 01:21 PM
I thought Von's hit was worse, he picked him up and drove him into the ground. Mays is just a dumb bowling ball who couldn't pull up.

Rolandftw
09-25-2012, 01:22 PM
I hope the Broncos win, but I'm pretty much done watching the NFL until they get regular refs.

How they can justify this suspension when there's been no prior history, and yet can't get an obvious call right on the field right is beyond me.

bowtown
09-25-2012, 01:23 PM
DOOOOOOOOON'T CAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRE

razorwire77
09-25-2012, 01:24 PM
Joe May's new nickname should be Mr. Blonde.

Chris
09-25-2012, 01:27 PM
Mays should just show up. The referees won't know the difference.

Heyneck
09-25-2012, 01:29 PM
if he apeals.. and isn't heard this week, he should be a go for the Oakland game. If Nate weren't injured, I could care less if Mays was suspended.

Garcia Bronco
09-25-2012, 01:34 PM
I am done with NFL Football.

Peace.

BroncoMan4ever
09-25-2012, 01:38 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the only way not to get flagged these days is a belly to belly hit on the QB with the defenders arms spread out to the side in submission. Good luck actually pulling that off.

We are a few years away from QBs wearing the no contact jerseys and the linemen being forced to play red rover along the lines.

razorwire77
09-25-2012, 01:45 PM
The decision sucks donkey taint, but I'm not gonna lie. I'd be much more pissed if it was Doom or Von.

DBroncos4life
09-25-2012, 01:48 PM
Mays should just show up. The referees won't know the difference.

This is true.

swaiy
09-25-2012, 01:49 PM
if he apeals.. and isn't heard this week, he should be a go for the Oakland game. If Nate weren't injured, I could care less if Mays was suspended.

Its being reported the NFL is expected to expedite the process.

Crushaholic
09-25-2012, 01:53 PM
Wow, come on. Is he a repeat offender?

Mays was penalized and fined for roughing Atlanta Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan in Week 2.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000066219/article/joe-mays-suspended-one-game-for-hit-of-matt-schaub?module=HP11_headline_stack

RaiderH8r
09-25-2012, 01:58 PM
I think Mays is awful. I'm quite on the record about it. The problem is, there is literally nothing behind him. We could move DJ Williams into the center in a pinch, but..oh ya... he's kind of not available.

Hell is Nate Irving going to be available? (I doubt it)

With McFadden coming to town, if Mays is suspended this week the defense is going to be in a world of trouble.

We drafted Osweiler for LB depth. Remember?

Tombstone RJ
09-25-2012, 02:01 PM
If Mays appeals, won't this delay the suspension?

Lestat
09-25-2012, 02:05 PM
you've got to be ****ing kidding me! i'm no Joe Mays fan but that is not a hit that should lead to a suspension. this is bull****!

Lestat
09-25-2012, 02:05 PM
you've got to be ****ing kidding me! i'm no Joe Mays fan but that is not a hit that should lead to a suspension. this is bull****!

swaiy
09-25-2012, 02:08 PM
If Mays appeals, won't this delay the suspension?

Not really. Lately they have been expediting the process because they know players will appeal.

Player Suspended --> Player Appeals to stall suspension --> NFL expedites process and doesnt overturn suspension --> Player is suspended all before gameday

broncosteven
09-25-2012, 02:11 PM
Not really. Lately they have been expediting the process because they know players will appeal.

Player Suspended --> Player Appeals to stall suspension --> NFL expedites process and doesnt overturn suspension --> Player is suspended all before gameday

Meanwhile we can't get decent refs to call decent games.

maher_tyler
09-25-2012, 02:13 PM
I have no problem with the suspension but why doesn't the NFL come down on Belicheat.

The answer is in the question...i've about had all i can take of this NFL. Can we get Paul Tagliabue back? Certain teams get better treatment than others. Clearly there is some favortisim going on if those coaches don't get fined! The more this stuff goes on, the more corrupt i think Goodell is.

Tombstone RJ
09-25-2012, 02:14 PM
If Mays does get suspended for this game, Steven Johnson is the #2 MLB. The Broncos either go with Johnson or they move Brooking to MLB and slide Trevathan in at WLB.

Irving is probably out due to a concussion.

swaiy
09-25-2012, 02:17 PM
Im still wondering how a guy can give two separate players a concussion in the SAME DAMN GAME and not even be mentioned. Maybe Im mistaken.

MagicHef
09-25-2012, 02:19 PM
Mays was penalized and fined for roughing Atlanta Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan in Week 2.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000066219/article/joe-mays-suspended-one-game-for-hit-of-matt-schaub?module=HP11_headline_stack

That's a little misleading. He wasn't called for roughing the passer, he hit Ryan after he scrambled and slid.

houghtam
09-25-2012, 03:08 PM
That's a little misleading. He wasn't called for roughing the passer, he hit Ryan after he scrambled and slid.

I don't think it works quite that way.

I'm pretty sure you don't get to say "No, I hit a guy after he was down last week. This week I just drove the crown of my helmet into a different quarterback's torso. Totally different, no sign of a trend there."

fontaine
09-25-2012, 03:13 PM
So James Harrison gets fined for repeatedly roughing the passer/unecessary roughness etc etc.

Mays does it twice and goes straight to a suspension.

As far as I know only Suh/Haynesworth have been suspended (or have they) for stomping on guys that were already on the ground. So the NFL is basically saying what Mays did was the same heinous act as Suh/Haynesworth stomping on a player when he's on the ground.

houghtam
09-25-2012, 03:19 PM
So James Harrison gets fined for repeatedly gets fined for roughing the passer/unecessary roughness etc etc.

Mays does it twice and goes straight to a suspension.

As far as I know only Suh/Haynesworth have been suspended (or have they) for stomping on guys that were already on the ground. So the NFL is basically saying what Mays did was the same heinous act as Suh/Haynesworth stomping on a player when he's on the ground.

You know, I see what you're saying. I really do.

But why does everything have to be an equivalence? Joe Mays was a dumbass. He did something stupid. Harrison, Finnegan, Haynesworth are all dirty players. Joe Mays is not. But you know the rules, you break the rules, you pay the penalty. Like I said Sunday night, he deserves whatever penalty he gets.

Would there really be this much bitching about a terrible MLB if he wasn't on our team?

HILife
09-25-2012, 04:00 PM
holy ****!!! **** you NFL with all the bull**** you are feeding us this year. That was not a helmet to helment.

Bacchus
09-25-2012, 04:02 PM
I thought it was a great hit by Mays. Just an awesome hit.

55CrushEm
09-25-2012, 04:06 PM
DOOOOOOOOON'T CAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRE

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Agamemnon
09-25-2012, 05:13 PM
This is no blessing in disguise. It means more snaps for ****ing Keith Brooking. Not only is he old and slow as hell, he also has one of the ugliest first names in the English language.

He's no slower than Joe "5 second 40" Mays.

baja
09-25-2012, 05:23 PM
TIME FOR ME TO GET A NEW HOBBY

DENVERDUI55
09-25-2012, 05:35 PM
I wonder what Mays bounty was for that hit?

enjolras
09-25-2012, 09:33 PM
According to Bill Williamson if he loses the appeal he'll sit this weekend.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/48941/nfl-hits-joe-mays-back

Bacchus
09-25-2012, 10:17 PM
I am done with NFL Football.

Peace.

In my little protest. I only watch NFL on internet from some foreign country who are offering shady downloads at a cheap price. I do not go to NFL.com anymore only ESPN. These are easy sacrifices for me.

ZONA
09-25-2012, 10:49 PM
Yes, I think it will be good that he's not starting but stupid ruling none the less. I about spit my drink out this last game when announcer said Mays is just what you want at MLB. OMG, I spit that beer right out of my mouth laughing.

broncocalijohn
09-26-2012, 12:06 AM
TIME FOR ME TO GET A NEW HOBBY

The little boys would sure enjoy hearing that.


( somebody told me this Baja)

houghtam
09-26-2012, 12:38 AM
According to Bill Williamson if he loses the appeal he'll sit this weekend.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/48941/nfl-hits-joe-mays-back

And from the article:

ďWhat I was thinking is, Iím just reading my progression, my gap blocks, so Iím thinking, try to get to the quarterback as fast as I could, try to get him down before he gets the ball off,Ē Mays said in the radio interview. ďI see him back there, Iím coming, Iím coming and I see him cock back to release the ball, but Iím still going to try to hit him so I can affect the release a little bit. So, he threw the ball, and he kind of ducked his head because he saw me coming. When he ducked his head, thatís when I came in and hit him. It looked worse than what Ö I mean, it didnít look good. Iíll just put it that way. My intention was to go in there and get a hit on him, not hit him in the helmet. Unfortunately, thatís what happened.Ē

Mays admitted, ďI guess I couldíve been lower.Ē Still, in the radio interview, it seemed Mays thought heíd be fined, not suspended.

The article goes on to state that Mays has a rep around the league for being pretty easy going, and says he twice apologized to Schaub on the field. I don't think anyone (other than Chiefs fans) thinks Mays is a dirty player, but he's been fined before, and he deserved at least a fine for the hit.

Can we at least put that matter to rest? He admitted it was helmet to helmet, and he admitted he didn't get low enough. Argue all you want whether a suspension is warranted, but when the guilty party admits guilt, that pretty much wraps things up...unlike Joe Mays did.

/rimshot

fontaine
09-26-2012, 01:46 AM
You know, I see what you're saying. I really do.

But why does everything have to be an equivalence? Joe Mays was a dumbass. He did something stupid. Harrison, Finnegan, Haynesworth are all dirty players. Joe Mays is not. But you know the rules, you break the rules, you pay the penalty. Like I said Sunday night, he deserves whatever penalty he gets.

Would there really be this much b****ing about a terrible MLB if he wasn't on our team?

Yeah, I don't have a problem with Mays getting fined.

The problem is one of precedence and the process of how fines/punishments are decided. If there's isn't clarity of how fines/suspensions are handed out then it's completely arbitrary, that's what I have a problem with.

The drug/banned substances violation process is different. The first violation is a one game suspension, then four games and so on.

Mays' decision seems completely arbitrary. One previous incident and now it's resulted in a suspension and huge bump to $50K fine.

Gort
09-26-2012, 01:53 AM
Not really. Lately they have been expediting the process because they know players will appeal.

Player Suspended --> Player Appeals to stall suspension --> NFL expedites process and doesnt overturn suspension --> Player is suspended all before gameday

this how Goodell sees his role.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/105351/1974390-star_trek_q_fan_collective_20060707054448913_640w. jpg

Star Trek nerds will get the reference. ;)

Natedogg
09-26-2012, 06:05 AM
This suspension gets me almost as angry as the NFL's treatment of the scabs. First I really don' t think it was an illegal hit. Schab's head moved into Mays due to Unrein's hit (as has been noted). What the heck was Mays supposed to do? Put his hands up and let Schab throw the ball uncontested? Tackle lower, somehow? --Isn't that going for the knees (Brady Rule) and penalizable and suspendable?

Second, and more egregious than the penalty is (as other commenters have said) that the whole reason for the suspension seems due to the arbitrary fact that "Shab's helmet came off OMG!!" This seems to be Schab's fault, not Mays's. Goodell took the opportunity of a hit that looked bad --despite being fairly run of the mill, even if you contend it was late-- to make an example out of a player. This is not fair. If you really want to suspend defenders for making the big hits (incidentally why I love football... Have you forgotten Dennis Smith, Steve Atwater, and John Lynch already?), you need to do it on an announced scale (on the third fine, maybe), rather than "just because it looked really bad on TV."

Finally, I think that all those that are saying losing Mays may be "addition by subtraction" are not that football smart and have a too simplified knowledge of the game. For every tack or pass Mays misses, I wonder how many gaps he plugged and tackles he's made without without getting accolades.

PFF graded him as a +10.8 in 2011. I wonder if an undrafted rookie can top that and not make any gap or coverage mistakes. Would sure suck if we lost to the Raiders because they exploit our camp fodder at MLB.

But heck, its easier to blame all of the defensive woes of 2012 on Joe Mays and clamor for his magical "addition by subtraction" replacement from the practice squad.

Had to get that off my chest. My blood is boiling.

DaFace
09-26-2012, 08:13 AM
Would there really be this much b****ing about a terrible MLB if he wasn't on our team?

I'd humbly suggest that there wouldn't. I know I'm biased in the other direction (as a Chiefs fan), but I said to my family (Broncos fans) that I thought the hit could get him suspended the instant it happened.

If you are really that surprised by the suspension, you haven't been paying attention these past couple years. The NFL outright said last year that they were going to start suspending guys frequently for dangerous hits, and this fit directly into that description.

You can argue the rules if you want - I agree that today's NFL is pretty soft - but acting like this is some unique situation that's being treated arbitrarily is just myopic.

swaiy
09-26-2012, 08:37 AM
I'd humbly suggest that there wouldn't. I know I'm biased in the other direction (as a Chiefs fan), but I said to my family (Broncos fans) that I thought the hit could get him suspended the instant it happened.

If you are really that surprised by the suspension, you haven't been paying attention these past couple years. The NFL outright said last year that they were going to start suspending guys frequently for dangerous hits, and this fit directly into that description.

You can argue the rules if you want - I agree that today's NFL is pretty soft - but acting like this is some unique situation that's being treated arbitrarily is just myopic.

I think its the consistency, or lack of... that bothers people.

houghtam
09-26-2012, 09:34 AM
I'd humbly suggest that there wouldn't. I know I'm biased in the other direction (as a Chiefs fan), but I said to my family (Broncos fans) that I thought the hit could get him suspended the instant it happened.

If you are really that surprised by the suspension, you haven't been paying attention these past couple years. The NFL outright said last year that they were going to start suspending guys frequently for dangerous hits, and this fit directly into that description.

You can argue the rules if you want - I agree that today's NFL is pretty soft - but acting like this is some unique situation that's being treated arbitrarily is just myopic.

Well I highly doubt anyone's "out to get" Joe Mays.

Hell, when someone told the league office what happened they were probably like... "Who?"

BroncoDoom
09-26-2012, 10:35 AM
No one is talking about this... but Schaub should of never thrown that pass. He was holding onto the ball too long all game and throwing it up right before he was obviously about to get drilled because he knows at the least he is going to get a 15 yarder out of the deal.

That is a prime example using the new rules to his advantage and basically cheating as far as I am concerned. There was a time when QB's saw the pass rush coming too fast and they threw it away or went down on their own. Now you hold onto it until last second and toss it up and know at the least you get the penalty.

That hit was legit on a QB that was stupid to try and throw that ball.

DaFace
09-26-2012, 10:49 AM
No one is talking about this... but Schaub should of never thrown that pass. He was holding onto the ball too long all game and throwing it up right before he was obviously about to get drilled because he knows at the least he is going to get a 15 yarder out of the deal.

That is a prime example using the new rules to his advantage and basically cheating as far as I am concerned. There was a time when QB's saw the pass rush coming too fast and they threw it away or went down on their own. Now you hold onto it until last second and toss it up and know at the least you get the penalty.

That hit was legit on a QB that was stupid to try and throw that ball.

That's like the argument that it's a woman's fault for getting raped because she dressed provocatively.

All Mays had to do to avoid the penalty was to not lead with his head.

Play2win
09-26-2012, 11:58 AM
It was a kick-ass hit, and fun as hell to watch. I jumped 5 feet in the air off the coach, screaming at the top of my lungs.

I wish there were 20 of those hits a game.

FearLanier
09-26-2012, 12:01 PM
Schefter just reported that Fran Tarkenton said that Joe Mays should be suspended a year because of this hit.

broncosteven
09-26-2012, 12:09 PM
this how Goodell sees his role.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/105351/1974390-star_trek_q_fan_collective_20060707054448913_640w. jpg

Star Trek nerds will get the reference. ;)

Q

razorwire77
09-26-2012, 12:14 PM
Part of the issue here is that Joe Mays absolutely blows people up on the rare occasion he actually makes dead on contact with them. The hit was much more violent than if pretty much any other player on team hit Schwab. Basically Mays is being given the additional suspension punishment above and beyond a fine because of how hard he hits.

houghtam
09-26-2012, 12:19 PM
Part of the issue here is that Joe Mays absolutely blows people up on the rare occasion he actually makes dead on contact with them. The hit was much more violent than if pretty much any other player on team hit Schwab. Basically Mays is being given the additional suspension punishment above and beyond a fine because of how hard he hits.

The reverse is also true. If it had been anyone other than Schaub standing completely still, Mays would have bounced off or missed entirely.

razorwire77
09-26-2012, 12:27 PM
The reverse is also true. If it had been anyone other than Schaub standing completely still, Mays would have bounced off or missed entirely.

Yeah had it been Cam Newton or RGIII, he would have done his usual Sylvester the Cat trying to grab Tweetie Bird whiff and the entire thing would be moot.

Garcia Bronco
09-26-2012, 12:56 PM
I ain't saying the MBall shouldn't have some kind of punishment...I just think 50k and a game is way over the line. That kind of ruling from the Ginger Hamma' lacks a complete understanding of physics. And lets be real...Scuab has a choice to not throw the ball and duck & cover.

houghtam
09-26-2012, 01:14 PM
There are actually two people in the entire world who think it's the QB's fault for getting hit because he threw the ball.

Amaaaaaaazing.

lonestar
09-26-2012, 01:23 PM
Part of the issue here is that Joe Mays absolutely blows people up on the rare occasion he actually makes dead on contact with them. The hit was much more violent than if pretty much any other player on team hit Schwab. Basically Mays is being given the additional suspension punishment above and beyond a fine because of how hard he hits.

I would say that the extra cash is because IIRC he just did much the same thing (not to the QB) last week was only fined about 5 grand..

Garcia Bronco
09-26-2012, 01:40 PM
There are actually two people in the entire world who think it's the QB's fault for getting hit because he threw the ball.

Amaaaaaaazing.

I am just saying....life has choices.

swaiy
09-26-2012, 01:53 PM
Im still wondering how Ryan Mundy can hit helmet to helmet two separate times in a game and knock both players out with a concussion (one spen tthe night in a hospital) and only be fined 21K.

manchambo
09-26-2012, 01:55 PM
It was a kick-ass hit, and fun as hell to watch. I jumped 5 feet in the air off the coach, screaming at the top of my lungs.

I wish there were 20 of those hits a game.

So your thought is football would be better if we had more deaths.

lonestar
09-26-2012, 02:04 PM
Im still wondering how Ryan Mundy can hit helmet to helmet two separate times in a game and knock both players out with a concussion (one spent the night in a hospital) and only be fined 21K.

did he do this in back to back games?

Mays got fined for a game the week prior IIRC..

Goodell believes that fines should deter these thing and will escalate them with everyone..

Even morons get this when the league gets a huge chuck of their check each week

swaiy
09-26-2012, 02:21 PM
did he do this in back to back games?

Mays got fined for a game the week prior IIRC..

Goodell believes that fines should deter these thing and will escalate them with everyone..

Even morons get this when the league gets a huge chuck of their check each week

Did you read what I posted? In THE SAME GAME he knocked two players out with concussions. What does it matter if he did it in back to back games?

lonestar
09-26-2012, 02:33 PM
Did you read what I posted? In THE SAME GAME he knocked two players out with concussions. What does it matter if he did it in back to back games?

yes I got that and he was fined 21K.. If he does it again in the future then the fine amounts go up..

Goodell gave him a hell of a fine for it being the first time and I suspect it was because of the hits he made..

Mays got a modest fine for the first hit and wacked the next time..

for discipline to work you have to warn them, give a fine, and then wack them with a bigger fine and/or suspension..

Supervision 101..

Bacchus
09-26-2012, 02:54 PM
this how Goodell sees his role.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/105351/1974390-star_trek_q_fan_collective_20060707054448913_640w. jpg

Star Trek nerds will get the reference. ;)

How Goodell sees his role part II

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=28317&dateline=1348422208

BroncoBuff
09-26-2012, 03:12 PM
I don't agree with the suspension but it may be a blessing in disguise for our LBs
Might be that exactly. I'm not a Joe Mays fan, in fact my first thought on hearing this was I hope the Broncos appeal the ruling, and insist on a 2 game suspension.

And yes, I want to see Trevathan on defense too, hope he gets lots of snaps. I was a big Lavonte David supporter, but Elway wanted a backup QB instead. Fine, so we settle on Trevathan at WLB couple rounds later. Thing is though, on paper they're very similar: smallish, almost Ian-Gold-Size miniature linebackers, both of whom racked up tons of tackles all over the field in college. I don't think Osweiler will ever amount to much, but I'm bullish on Danny Trevathan.

Play2win
09-26-2012, 03:20 PM
So your thought is football would be better if we had more deaths.

Don't you have anything better to do...

gunns
09-26-2012, 06:09 PM
Im still wondering how Ryan Mundy can hit helmet to helmet two separate times in a game and knock both players out with a concussion (one spen tthe night in a hospital) and only be fined 21K.

That's what I was wondering. That hit by Mundy was much more blatant and devastating to the player.

Fight_On!
09-26-2012, 07:01 PM
Im still wondering how Ryan Mundy can hit helmet to helmet two separate times in a game and knock both players out with a concussion (one spen tthe night in a hospital) and only be fined 21K.

Great point, it is inconsistent

enjolras
09-27-2012, 10:52 AM
Great point, it is inconsistent

Schaub's helmet came off. Everything about this bullsh*t suspension comes from the fact that it looked really bad. Much MUCH worse than it was. Goodell is an absolute idiot.

Crushaholic
09-27-2012, 11:34 AM
Does anybody know the date of the appeal? It's Thursday, already. I think he has a great shot of winning his appeal. The effect of BOTH Unrein and May contributed to the helmet flying off...

DaFace
09-27-2012, 01:21 PM
Does anybody know the date of the appeal? It's Thursday, already. I think he has a great shot of winning his appeal. The effect of BOTH Unrein and May contributed to the helmet flying off...

He lost.

Lindsay Jones ‏@PostBroncos

Joe Mays suspension upheld, John Fox said

bowtown
09-27-2012, 03:10 PM
He lost.

Oh Noes!! Where will we find another MLB to miss tackles, misdiagnose plays, fail in coverage and draw personal foul penalties?

Can't we just saw off Al Wilson's neck and get him back on the field?

broncobum6162
09-27-2012, 06:04 PM
He lost.

I'm sure he did since it was reviewed by the King Nazi himself..

swaiy
09-27-2012, 06:14 PM
I'm sure he did since it was reviewed by the King Nazi himself..

He isnt involved in the appeals process

houghtam
09-27-2012, 06:43 PM
I'm sure he did since it was reviewed by the King Nazi himself..

NNNNNNNNNNDERP!

errand
09-27-2012, 07:27 PM
Addition by subtraction...

I was gonna ask why people on here would be pissed about him being suspended, since all I've read is how much Mays sucks.....

Hopefully the next man up will stand out positively

errand
09-27-2012, 07:33 PM
Schaub's helmet came off. Everything about this bullsh*t suspension comes from the fact that it looked really bad. Much MUCH worse than it was. Goodell is an absolute idiot.

Goodell is damned either way.....if he doesn't suspend Mays for the hit, he gets accused of not taking player safety serious...and if he does despite it not being too serious of a hit, he's accused of being an idiot.

Maybe he's just decided that he'll have zero tolerance for it.....

DBroncos4life
09-27-2012, 07:40 PM
I was gonna ask why people on here would be pissed about him being suspended, since all I've read is how much Mays sucks.....

Hopefully the next man up will stand out positively

undrafted rookie, things should go well :thumbsup:

vancejohnson82
09-27-2012, 07:46 PM
I was gonna ask why people on here would be pissed about him being suspended, since all I've read is how much Mays sucks.....

Hopefully the next man up will stand out positively

It's a ridiculous notion around the Mane that Mays doesn't contribute positively to this team

since his name isn't Dumervil, Miller, Bailey or Wolfe he is chatter fodder around here when it comes to defense

Missouribronc
09-27-2012, 08:28 PM
Goodell is damned either way.....if he doesn't suspend Mays for the hit, he gets accused of not taking player safety serious...and if he does despite it not being too serious of a hit, he's accused of being an idiot.

Maybe he's just decided that he'll have zero tolerance for it.....

He is damned either way, because it's not consistent.

Mays gets suspended for a game and Schaub isn't even injured.

Danelle Ellerbe won't get a fine, a penalty or a supension, but Josh Cribbs has a serious concussion.

It's hypocritical.

enjolras
09-27-2012, 08:31 PM
He is damned either way, because it's not consistent.

Mays gets suspended for a game and Schaub isn't even injured.

Danelle Ellerbe won't get a fine, a penalty or a supension, but Josh Cribbs has a serious concussion.

It's hypocritical.

But his helmet came off!

swaiy
09-27-2012, 08:33 PM
He is damned either way, because it's not consistent.

Mays gets suspended for a game and Schaub isn't even injured.

Danelle Ellerbe won't get a fine, a penalty or a supension, but Josh Cribbs has a serious concussion.

It's hypocritical.

He still has his ear, duh.

Tombstone RJ
09-27-2012, 08:34 PM
Mays' hit was on a QB and that is why he's getting suspended.

DBroncos4life
09-27-2012, 08:35 PM
But his helmet came off!

Cribbs helmet came off and was knocked out of the game. Lets see if there is a fine for his hit.

Missouribronc
09-27-2012, 08:37 PM
Mays' hit was on a QB and that is why he's getting suspended.

And Cribbs lay motionless for several minutes on the field.

Safety?

That's laughable.

LRtagger
09-30-2012, 03:35 PM
Can we appeal to have him suspended for the rest of the year?

I mean, Schaub did lose a piece of his ear after all

razorwire77
09-30-2012, 03:47 PM
Can we appeal to have him suspended for the rest of the year?

I mean, Schaub did lose a piece of his ear after all

I think Lance Ball conspired with him on that play too. Better suspend him too Rodger.

houghtam
09-30-2012, 03:55 PM
Joe Mays would do well to take lessons from Dumervil on how to legally hit a quarterback in the act of throwing.

broncosteven
09-30-2012, 04:01 PM
Can we get Mays suspension extended another couple weeks? Sure didn't miss him today

fontaine
09-30-2012, 04:18 PM
Brooking filled in well, but he's not going to last a full season.

We definitely needs Mays back. Trevathan played as well.

Agamemnon
09-30-2012, 04:27 PM
Brooking filled in well, but he's not going to last a full season.

We definitely needs Mays back. Trevathan played as well.

LOL, Mays wasn't missed at all. If anything our defense was better without him. You might be right about Brooking not lasting, but at this point I'm firmly convinced Irving or Trevathan could do as well as, if not better than, Mays. Mays is a terrible MLB in a 4-3. Dude belongs in a 3-4. That's why Philly traded the dude away.

Jekyll15Hyde
09-30-2012, 04:42 PM
Can we get Mays suspension extended another couple weeks? Sure didn't miss him today

This... Please extend by as many games as possible

lonestar
09-30-2012, 04:45 PM
Brooking filled in well, but he's not going to last a full season.

We definitely needs Mays back. Trevathan played as well.

I disagree in fact will also go as far as say cut/bench him and get the rookies playing time. And dos the same with moron when he comes off suspension sometime after game 8-9. Shutting down Mc fadden today as well as the Te's shows me that we have the talent on the field.

fontaine
09-30-2012, 04:53 PM
I disagree in fact will also go as far as say cut/bench him and get the rookies playing time. And dos the same with moron when he comes off suspension sometime after game 8-9. Shutting down Mc fadden today as well as the Te's shows me that we have the talent on the field.

What Tight Ends? Oakland has no TEs.

Brooking is a bigger liability on the field than Mays. The idea should be to try and get Irving/Trevathan on obvious passing downs and Mays as a run stopper only.

Agamemnon
09-30-2012, 05:12 PM
What Tight Ends? Oakland has no TEs.

Brooking is a bigger liability on the field than Mays. The idea should be to try and get Irving/Trevathan on obvious passing downs and Mays as a run stopper only.

I'm not really convinced Mays offers that much against the run either. He either stuffs a play hard or totally blows it (50/50 chance which it will be). You need a MLB who's always in the right spot against the run. That's the opposite of the idiot cannonball that is Joe Mays.

lonestar
09-30-2012, 06:53 PM
What Tight Ends? Oakland has no TEs.

Brooking is a bigger liability on the field than Mays. The idea should be to try and get Irving/Trevathan on obvious passing downs and Mays as a run stopper only.


45 Reece, Marcel FB 6-2 250 27 3 Washington.
86 Ausberry, David TE 6-4 245 25 2 USC
82 Gordon, Richard TE 6-4 265 25 2 Miami (Fla.)
83 Myers, Brandon TE 6-4 250 27 4 Iowa




1-10-OAK 30 (9:38) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 45-M.Reece pushed ob at DEN 39 for 31 yards (26-R.Moore).
1-10-DEN 39 (9:06) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 45-M.Reece to DEN 35 for 4 yards (58-V.Miller).
2-8-OAK 22 (14:22) 3-C.Palmer pass short left to 83-B.Myers pushed ob at OAK 44 for 22 yards (20-M.Adams).
1-10-OAK 44 (13:51) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 45-M.Reece to DEN 41 for 15 yards (26-R.Moore).

2-9-OAK 37 (2:54) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 45-M.Reece pushed ob at OAK 45 for 8 yards (20-M.Adams).
3-3-DEN 6 (:29) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short right to 86-D.Ausberry.
1-10-OAK 20 (15:00) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short right to 45-M.Reece (24-C.Bailey).
1-10-OAK 20 (10:08) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 45-M.Reece to OAK 16 for -4 yards (24-C.Bailey).
Timeout #1 by OAK at 09:35.
3-14-OAK 16 (9:35) (Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short right to 83-B.Myers (20-M.Adams).
2-10-OAK 20 (3:09) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short right to 45-M.Reece.
2-12-OAK 37 (11:53) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short right to 45-M.Reece [58-V.Miller].
3-12-OAK 37 (11:48) (Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 25-M.Goodson to OAK 32 for -5 yards (52-W.Woodyard; 91-R.Ayers).
3-10-OAK 20 (3:34) (Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 86-D.Ausberry to OAK 29 for 9 yards (58-V.Miller).
3-18-DEN 27 (:37) (Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass short left to 25-M.Goodson to DEN 27 for no gain (59-D.Trevathan).


Now I know that Reece is a FB on the roster but he was being used as a TE for the most part today and IIRC the announcers mentioned that a couple of times.. IIRC FB, HB, TE, H-back..


but the others are listed as TE's and were a pretty good part of the intended offense today..

IIRC Brooking came off the field in passing downs more often than not..

you can have your DJ manlove but IMO we really do not need him back unless we have more injuries to the LB corp..


This was all based on a quick watch of the game and what I observed.. without taking notes.. or going back and watching game film..

lonestar
09-30-2012, 06:59 PM
I'm not really convinced Mays offers that much against the run either. He either stuffs a play hard or totally blows it (50/50 chance which it will be). You need a MLB who's always in the right spot against the run. That's the opposite of the idiot cannonball that is Joe Mays.

This is kind of that observations I have seen about him so far.. ..

I was hoping to see better play with some coaching and perhaps it is to early to know for sure I really did not think that John and more importantly Jack DR would give a reasonably fat contract to someone without potential.

as of now I'll let JDR make those calls on him.. If he cuts him OK by me if he does not then I expect him to be coached up..

DJ is a moron and has no reason to be kept on the team, he is not a leader, does not have huge stats that others can not produce just as easily or cheaper...

razorwire77
09-30-2012, 07:00 PM
I'm not really convinced Mays offers that much against the run either. He either stuffs a play hard or totally blows it (50/50 chance which it will be). You need a MLB who's always in the right spot against the run. That's the opposite of the idiot cannonball that is Joe Mays.

Brooking does a lot better job of moving in the wash than Mays does. I think Mays is probably one of the five hardest hitting players in the league, but 90 percent of the time it's irrelevant, because he can't disengage a pulling guard or a TE to make the play. He tries to blow them up, instead of pursing the play and in the mean time an Arian Foster is already 10 yards down the field. That doesn't even take into consideration his below average coverage skills.

Agamemnon
09-30-2012, 07:06 PM
Brooking does a lot better job of moving in the wash than Mays does. I think Mays is probably one of the five hardest hitting players in the league, but 90 percent of the time it's irrelevant, because he can't disengage a pulling guard or a TE to make the play. He tries to blow them up, instead of pursing the play and in the mean time an Arian Foster is already 10 yards down the field. That doesn't even take into consideration his below average coverage skills.

Honestly, being a hard hitter in today's NFL is almost a liability. So even his one strength is pretty iffy when you think about it.

The truth is that the guy needs to be in a 3-4 where he can just shoot the gap on runs and sit back in a zone or rush on passes. He has no business playing Mike in a 4-3. It requires smarts and athleticism, and from what I've seen, Mays is sorely lacking in both areas.

razorwire77
09-30-2012, 07:14 PM
Honestly, being a hard hitter in today's NFL is almost a liability. So even his one strength is pretty iffy when you think about it.

The truth is that the guy needs to be in a 3-4 where he can just shoot the gap on runs and sit back in a zone or rush on passes. He has no business playing Mike in a 4-3. It requires smarts and athleticism, and from what I've seen, Mays is sorely lacking in both areas.

Certainly a plant your feet and lower the boom Mike can be a liability in the modern NFL. A guy like Urlacher (in his prime) or Ray Lewis are definitely guys that hit hard, but there's a difference between hitting hard and hitting hard and smart and knowing when to blow people up. A big part of it is how well you move your feet and slide to the point of contact with the skill position player. Joe Mays sucks at this.

"OK Joe you squared your shoulders and blew up a 335 pound guard. That's great. Meanwhile MJD just ran right throw your gap responsibility for 23 yards. He's great as situational guy to fire the A gap in goal line situations though. That's about it.

The Joker
09-30-2012, 07:22 PM
Neither Brooking or Mays should be anywhere near the field once we get into our nickel defense. They're both slow and terrible in coverage.

Sadly, we're stuck with them in some capacity for the year.

Let the two of them and Irving battle it out for the MIKE spot in the base D for the rest of the year and get them off the field for passing downs.

Then, barring a spectacular emergence from Irving, go out and make a genuine three down middle linebacker the number one priority for the offseason.

Then in the offseason quietly drive Mays out into the wilderness, let him out of the car for a run and then drive away.