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houghtam
09-25-2012, 09:52 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8422934/seattle-seahawks-vs-green-bay-packers-disputed-mnf-call-shifted-150-250m-bets

Oddsmaker Danny Sheridan, who sets the lines for USA Today, had the highest estimate of those surveyed by ESPN.com. Sheridan said Tuesday morning that he believes that $1 billion in total money changed hands with the touchdown call.

While there has been no way to handicap the exact part that replacement officials play in spreads, Avello says that it's not the first time this year that spreads have been altered by bad calls.

"It's the first call that has directly affected the outcome, but there have been many that have affected the outcome or the spread directly," he said.

Garcia Bronco
09-25-2012, 09:54 AM
You gotta be crazy to bet on these games. Its almost as bad betting in college players.

Tombstone RJ
09-25-2012, 09:56 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8422934/seattle-seahawks-vs-green-bay-packers-disputed-mnf-call-shifted-150-250m-bets

people shouldn't gamble.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-25-2012, 10:01 AM
I won't gamble as long as there are replacement refs. We're talking 4-5 calls in each game every week that are just flat-out wrong. Not judgement calls, either.

menonite
09-25-2012, 10:02 AM
If these refs were working a Harlem Globetrotters game i would put everything I had on the Washington Generals.

DENVERDUI55
09-25-2012, 10:07 AM
Here is a chance to take advantage of home teams. Refs are favoring home teams.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 10:09 AM
I'm not saying these replacement refs are aliens, but.....

they're aliens.

HAT
09-25-2012, 10:11 AM
Here is a chance to take advantage of home teams. Refs are favoring home teams.

It's already reflected in the lines...No advantage to be had.

broncocalijohn
09-25-2012, 10:20 AM
If these refs were working a Harlem Globetrotters game i would put everything I had on the Washington Generals.

Actually, they have worked these games many times. I can't tell you how many times I have seen the Globetrotters use illegal picks and travel to the basket. It is a travesty. I won't watch the Globetrotters games as long as those replacement refs are doing those games.

kappys
09-25-2012, 11:16 AM
So some gamblers lost and other won - the house took the same cut it always does. Why is this really even news?

houghtam
09-25-2012, 11:26 AM
So some gamblers lost and other won - the house took the same cut it always does. Why is this really even news?

Did you read the article?

Gambling contributes huge money to NFL revenues, albeit indirectly.

Gamblers generally won't bet if they aren't at least under the impression that they have an idea who's going to win or who's going to cover the spread.

The replacement refs are affecting the spread to the point that people are going to stop betting, because even money isn't a good bet.

I'm sure the League Office is well aware of stories like this, and if NFL betting starts to dwindle, it's the first domino.

cmhargrove
09-25-2012, 11:27 AM
Here is a chance to take advantage of home teams. Refs are favoring home teams.

Didn't work for the Broncos last Sunday...

kappys
09-25-2012, 11:30 AM
Did you read the article?

Gambling contributes huge money to NFL revenues, albeit indirectly.

Gamblers generally won't bet if they aren't at least under the impression that they have an idea who's going to win or who's going to cover the spread.

The replacement refs are affecting the spread to the point that people are going to stop betting, because even money isn't a good bet.

I'm sure the League Office is well aware of stories like this, and if NFL betting starts to dwindle, it's the first domino.

Does it? I would like to see some numbers before I buy that gambling provides significant revenues to the NFL as a corporation directly/indirectly. They certainly contribute to the amount of income generated by the NFL as a whole.

If people bet less I still doubt that anything will change. People don't bet much on basketball or baseball but the odds are still there, bookmakers are ready to take your money, and the game goes on.

Bronco Yoda
09-25-2012, 11:32 AM
I'm not saying these replacement refs are aliens, but.....

they're aliens.

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/yesitis2.gif

houghtam
09-25-2012, 11:34 AM
Does it? I would like to see some numbers before I buy that gambling provides significant revenues to the NFL as a corporation directly/indirectly. They certainly contribute to the amount of income generated by the NFL as a whole.

If people bet less I still doubt that anything will change. People don't bet much on basketball or baseball but the odds are still there, bookmakers are ready to take your money, and the game goes on.

In Nevada alone, $1 billion a year is spent on NFL gambling...more than that of basketball and baseball combined.

Still working on finding the links, but I've read several articles over the past few years about the NFL's "dirty little secret".

kappys
09-25-2012, 11:36 AM
In Nevada alone, $1 billion a year is spent on NFL gambling...more than that of basketball and baseball combined.

Still working on finding the links, but I've read several articles over the past few years about the NFL's "dirty little secret".

I have no doubt that the gambling revenues from the NFL are huge - I just doubt that the NFL actually sees any real profit from it. If they aren't profiting from gambling then I doubt a few blown calls or lack of action will really persuade the owners very much.

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 11:37 AM
When the real refs do come back they should have a pre game celebration. Hoculi coming out flexing to ACDC

Arkie
09-25-2012, 11:37 AM
You gotta be crazy to bet on these games. Its almost as bad betting in college players.

I've always thought college was easier to handicap than the NFL.

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 11:39 AM
I have no doubt that the gambling revenues from the NFL are huge - I just doubt that the NFL actually sees any real profit from it. If they aren't profiting from gambling then I doubt a few blown calls or lack of action will really persuade the owners very much.

I'm pretty sure people betting are watching games/advertisements because they have money on it. Doesn't tv ratings result in profits? I know plenty of people who aren't fans of football but watch it cause they bet on it. I don't watch college basketball until I bet on it.

kappys
09-25-2012, 11:42 AM
I'm pretty sure people betting are watching games/advertisements because they have money on it. Doesn't tv ratings result in profits? I know plenty of people who aren't fans of football but watch it cause they bet on it. I don't watch college basketball until I bet on it.

The contracts are fixed until year x(I can't remember off the top of my head) and are not directly related to the rating though obviously those come into play when negociating with networks for the license to broadcast.

Of course Goodell wisely wrapped up the TV contracts before engaging in his battle with the players and now referees unions - so the NFL has plenty of time on this front.

DomCasual
09-25-2012, 11:45 AM
I'm not saying these replacement refs are aliens, but.....

they're aliens.

You can tell by the pixels.

DENVERDUI55
09-25-2012, 12:49 PM
So some gamblers lost and other won - the house took the same cut it always does. Why is this really even news?

Exactly. The general public has no clue how books work so thats why media adds fuel to the fire against the refs. An oddsmaker was just on the radio saying money was pretty even a little more on the packers but it was minimal. Books made out as they wanted.

Wes Mantooth
09-25-2012, 01:58 PM
has anyone thought that the replacement refs have been compromised?

Tombstone RJ
09-25-2012, 02:07 PM
has anyone thought that the replacement refs have been compromised?

well, their cherries have definitely been popped, if you know what I mean...:clown:

orinjkrush
09-25-2012, 02:15 PM
a beelyon dallahs on one game/call?

oh yes, they can be had.

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2012, 02:38 PM
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN'TTTT CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRREEEEEEE

Vine
09-25-2012, 03:42 PM
If I owned a sportsbook, I would honor all tickets bet on the Seahawks (because they won on the technical scoreboard) and refund all tickets bet on the Packers. It's all about customer service, and if betting customers can see that I run a sportsbook that cares about gamblers, any money I lose from refunding tickets bet on the Packers will definitely be made with repeat customers who know they will have fair judgements on the outcomes of their betting.

Bacchus
09-25-2012, 04:00 PM
has anyone thought that the replacement refs have been compromised?

Of course they have. They are on a temporary gig with no future, gee you think some of them might be looking to score some money?

kappys
09-25-2012, 05:16 PM
If I owned a sportsbook, I would honor all tickets bet on the Seahawks (because they won on the technical scoreboard) and refund all tickets bet on the Packers. It's all about customer service, and if betting customers can see that I run a sportsbook that cares about gamblers, any money I lose from refunding tickets bet on the Packers will definitely be made with repeat customers who know they will have fair judgements on the outcomes of their betting.

So you are prepared to take a $1.5 billion dollar loss because the refs blew the call?

Agamemnon
09-25-2012, 05:16 PM
Maybe we've got to the heart of what's really going. These scabs aren't just making bad calls. They are making bank through Vegas. :D

DENVERDUI55
09-25-2012, 05:37 PM
If I owned a sportsbook, I would honor all tickets bet on the Seahawks (because they won on the technical scoreboard) and refund all tickets bet on the Packers. It's all about customer service, and if betting customers can see that I run a sportsbook that cares about gamblers, any money I lose from refunding tickets bet on the Packers will definitely be made with repeat customers who know they will have fair judgements on the outcomes of their betting.

Why would you do that? I lost on that game and I'm not that furious over it. I 've been betting long enough that there is so much that happens you can't control. Sometimes it works for you other times it doesn't.

Agamemnon
09-25-2012, 05:41 PM
If I owned a sportsbook, I would honor all tickets bet on the Seahawks (because they won on the technical scoreboard) and refund all tickets bet on the Packers. It's all about customer service, and if betting customers can see that I run a sportsbook that cares about gamblers, any money I lose from refunding tickets bet on the Packers will definitely be made with repeat customers who know they will have fair judgements on the outcomes of their betting.

Hilarious!

Vine
09-25-2012, 05:57 PM
So you are prepared to take a $1.5 billion dollar loss because the refs blew the call?

No dumbass. The $1.5 Billion figure comes from the total amount of money spent on that game of all gambling throughout the world. Any average sportsbook would probably have a couple dozen thousand dollars bet an any average game (although Monday night games are probably more than regular Sunday games). It's all about repeat customers and business. Good customer service and word gets around. You get other sportsbook customers if they know that they will get a fair judgement on games involving unusual circumstances.

Vine
09-25-2012, 05:58 PM
Why would you do that? I lost on that game and I'm not that furious over it. I 've been betting long enough that there is so much that happens you can't control. Sometimes it works for you other times it doesn't.

Sportsbook A sticks to their policies and strictly honors tickets based on the final scoreboard. Sportsbook A makes good immediate profit. Sportsbook B realizes this is a crazy circumstance that merits special attention. Sportsbook B decides that unhappy customers might go somewhere else, and decides to go out of their way to do what they can to keep customers happy, and honor, or refund tickets that a policy states they don't have to, customers leave happy and remember where they did business. Sportsbook B loses money on the game, but makes money in the long run as customers would rather deal with a business that does what they can do to make things right. Meanwhile, word gets around that Sportsbook B goes out of their way to make customers happy, even at the immediate expense of losing some money. Sportsbook B gets tons of future business, many customers no longer going to Sportsbook A. Sportsbook A goes out of business and closes its doors.

houghtam
09-25-2012, 06:05 PM
No dumbass. The $1.5 Billion figure comes from the total amount of money spent on that game of all gambling throughout the world. Any average sportsbook would probably have a couple dozen thousand dollars bet an any average game (although Monday night games are probably more than regular Sunday games). It's all about repeat customers and business. Good customer service and word gets around. You get other sportsbook customers if they know that they will get a fair judgement on games involving unusual circumstances.

So you're going to review every game for your customers? Where do you stop? What if a situation like the Ed Hochuli SD/DEN call happened last night where there was still game left to play but the call obviously had some effect on the end result? What if you had two similar calls in different games that produced different results?

You're not understanding how gambling works. Customer service is great in the real world...but there's a reason why when you go to touch the cards at most blackjack tables they yell at you, not ask you nicely. They don't care. They're getting your money, and it's not because they're nice people.

Believe me. If that were a good idea, the sports books would have been doing it a long time ago.

But by all means, start that sports book. I'd love to invest in it.



...how does short selling stock work? Is it possible to invest a negative amount of money so that when a business inevitably fails, you actually make money? :)

Vine
09-25-2012, 07:34 PM
So you're going to review every game for your customers? Where do you stop? What if a situation like the Ed Hochuli SD/DEN call happened last night where there was still game left to play but the call obviously had some effect on the end result? What if you had two similar calls in different games that produced different results?

You're not understanding how gambling works. Customer service is great in the real world...but there's a reason why when you go to touch the cards at most blackjack tables they yell at you, not ask you nicely. They don't care. They're getting your money, and it's not because they're nice people.

Believe me. If that were a good idea, the sports books would have been doing it a long time ago.

But by all means, start that sports book. I'd love to invest in it.



...how does short selling stock work? Is it possible to invest a negative amount of money so that when a business inevitably fails, you actually make money? :)

No, just the ones under extra-ordinary circumstances. Such as games decided on the very last play on a call that obviously decides a game in the wrong way. How often does a game end under such an extremely unusual circumstance? Extremely rarely. Even the Ed Hochuli game in which Denver was given another chance to win the game would not be affected, because you couldn't know for 100% sure that the Chargers would not fumble the very next play and give the ball back to Denver. But last night's finish was on the very last play. That's where I stop.

DENVERDUI55
09-25-2012, 07:54 PM
Sportsbook A sticks to their policies and strictly honors tickets based on the final scoreboard. Sportsbook A makes good immediate profit. Sportsbook B realizes this is a crazy circumstance that merits special attention. Sportsbook B decides that unhappy customers might go somewhere else, and decides to go out of their way to do what they can to keep customers happy, and honor, or refund tickets that a policy states they don't have to, customers leave happy and remember where they did business. Sportsbook B loses money on the game, but makes money in the long run as customers would rather deal with a business that does what they can do to make things right. Meanwhile, word gets around that Sportsbook B goes out of their way to make customers happy, even at the immediate expense of losing some money. Sportsbook B gets tons of future business, many customers no longer going to Sportsbook A. Sportsbook A goes out of business and closes its doors.

No sportsbook B goes out of business for giving away money. Gamblers will gamble where ever. I careless about the specific book and I've bet a lot and more about the line before the game. Anyone that bets knows its final score. The real refs make bad calls too that what makes me laugh about the deal. Sure these refs make awful calls but real refs make bad calls just not as many.

lonestar
09-25-2012, 07:57 PM
Did you read the article?

Gambling contributes huge money to NFL revenues, albeit indirectly.

Gamblers generally won't bet if they aren't at least under the impression that they have an idea who's going to win or who's going to cover the spread.

The replacement refs are affecting the spread to the point that people are going to stop betting, because even money isn't a good bet.

I'm sure the League Office is well aware of stories like this, and if NFL betting starts to dwindle, it's the first domino.


how is that.. casinos advertise?

extralife
09-25-2012, 08:30 PM
cares about gamblers

I lold

kappys
09-25-2012, 09:53 PM
No dumbass. The $1.5 Billion figure comes from the total amount of money spent on that game of all gambling throughout the world. Any average sportsbook would probably have a couple dozen thousand dollars bet an any average game (although Monday night games are probably more than regular Sunday games). It's all about repeat customers and business. Good customer service and word gets around. You get other sportsbook customers if they know that they will get a fair judgement on games involving unusual circumstances.

Well dip**** it looks like your idea got a thorough review from everyone else on the board and was found to vapid, ignorant and worthless.

Vine
09-25-2012, 10:24 PM
Well dip**** it looks like your idea got a thorough review from everyone else on the board and was found to vapid, ignorant and worthless.

Yeah, keep eating at the same crappy restaurant that that serves tasteless undercooked food by horrible obnoxious waitstaff, but if that makes you happy, then keep on going for it. Dumb****

BowlenBall
09-25-2012, 11:06 PM
Why in the world would there be $1 billion worth of betting on a Seahawks game?

Get a life, gamblers.

DENVERDUI55
09-26-2012, 08:15 AM
Why in the world would there be $1 billion worth of betting on a Seahawks game?

Get a life, gamblers.

Because they were playing the Packers who has a huge fan base. You don't bet or you would know how good Seattle plays at home. Their defense is legit.

Yeah, keep eating at the same crappy restaurant that that serves tasteless undercooked food by horrible obnoxious waitstaff, but if that makes you happy, then keep on going for it. Dumb****

Your missing the point. Anyone that has gambled for any amount of time knows that the final score is the final score. Hopefully you can be at a book when a game like Utah/USC last year and cash it twice when they change the score later but that is so rare. I know I have been on both sides of the goofy stuff and bad calls like last night. A lot of the books are owned by the same company anyways.