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TheReverend
09-25-2012, 06:11 AM
Because this deserves it's own thread:

Twitter (and Packers) blow up after Green Bay loss

By Dave Heller (dheller@journalsentinel.com) of the Journal Sentinel
Sept. 25, 2012

Anyone who is on Twitter could see their timeline go crazy after the wild ending to the Packers-Seahawks game. And it wasn't just fans venting.
Here's a sampling from Packers players (expletives - of which there were a few - left out) and others:
PACKERS
Guard T.J. Lang (https://twitter.com/TJLang70/status/250445192577036290): Got (expletive) by the refs.. Embarrassing. Thanks nfl
Lang (https://twitter.com/TJLang70/status/250455217332711424): (expletive) it NFL.. Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs.
Lang (https://twitter.com/TJLang70/status/250464506147393538): Any player/coach in Seattle that really thinks they won that game has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.
Tight end Jermichael Finley (https://twitter.com/JermichaelF88/status/250457421913399297): Come on <S>@</S>NFL this (expletive) is getting out of Control. Caused us a DAMN game. Horrible!
Finley (https://twitter.com/JermichaelF88/status/250463318236618752): <S>@</S>NFL Cheap ass hell!! Get us some NFL REFS! Not PEE WEE league refs! But it's all Abt the Saints!
Guard Josh Sitton (https://twitter.com/jsitton71/status/250456096509153280): The nfl needs to come to gb and apologize to us for (expletive) us! These refs r bums!
Sitton (https://twitter.com/jsitton71/status/250453625971818496): That was (expletive). This is getting ridiculous! The NFL needs to get the refs back bfr we strike and they make no money!
Sitton (https://twitter.com/jsitton71/status/250456525380939777): Golden tate is full of (expletive) too. Saying he clearly caught that is embarrassing! (expletive) jokers!
Tight end Tom Crabtree (https://twitter.com/TCrabtree83/status/250445934952075264): 13th man beat us tonight.
Wide receiver Greg Jennings (https://twitter.com/GregJennings/status/250469606865641472): C'MON MAN! Can't even be upset anymore. All I can do is laugh. Laugh at the <S>#</S>NFL for allowing America's game to come this. WOW!
Defensive tackle Jerel Worthy (https://twitter.com/I_AM_Worthy99/status/250458276821626880): All I can do is shake my head But God has a bigger plan for us Nothin but positive things that can come from this don't worry fans were good
Tackle Marshall Newhouse (https://twitter.com/MNewhouse74/status/250451195792084992): No comprendo. :(
Long snapper Brett Goode (https://twitter.com/BGoode61/status/250454256975507456): I think we need a personal apology in person....
Linebacker Terrell Manning (https://twitter.com/Certified_35/status/250450929399242753): Yea....that happened... <S>#</S>noComment
Tight end D.J. Williams (https://twitter.com/dj45williams/status/250446338796421120): Wow. Smh!!!
Defensive lineman C.J. Wilson (https://twitter.com/cjwilson95/status/250452984931168256): Can't believe this.. Never seen anything like it.
Running back Alex Green (https://twitter.com/AGreen_20/status/250457843222855680): Guess we kno the real meaning of 12th man, welp headed back to Gbay...it's still <S>#</S>packernation
Cornerback Davon House (https://twitter.com/devo_31/status/250454009742233600): WOW!!! Win, lose or ROBBED Still want to thank GOD for keeping us healthy and giving us this great sport to play!
Linebacker Desmond Bishop (https://twitter.com/Desbishop55/status/250443251885146115): U can't even be truly happy as a player to win in such a cheating fashion. Sum funky wins u take but this ain't them kind. Pay the real refs
Linebacker Dezman Moses (https://twitter.com/DezmanM/status/250459147693330432): I'm staying off twitter for the night for my own good. Thanks again for all the support. <S>#</S>gopackgo
SEAHAWKS
Linebacker K.J. Wright (https://twitter.com/KJ_WRIGHT34/status/250458734348869632): Y'all stop trying to take my joy please... Because it ain't go work!
Defensive end Bruce Irvin (https://twitter.com/BIrvin_WVU11/status/250459792664055810): Let them know KJ it is what is! We got the W! RT <S>@</S>KJ_WRIGHT34: Y'all stop trying to take my joy please... Because it ain't gon work!
Quarterback and former Badger Russell Wilson (https://twitter.com/DangeRussWilson/status/250477569709850624): Great win and way to finish! Never ever give up! Defense was lights out! #12thman was crazy loud! @Seahawks #gohawks
Safety and former Badger Chris Maragos (https://twitter.com/ChrisMaragos/status/250448585907384321): <S>#</S>12thman that was crazy! Best game ive ever played in period! On to the next! <S>#</S>Seahawks
Running back/Punt returner Leon Washington (https://twitter.com/Leon_Washington/status/250456544435634176): Big Win <S>#</S>12thMan Thanks 4 never giving Up. Finish Finish Finish.
Head coach Pete Carroll (https://twitter.com/PeteCarroll/status/250466601151918081): WOW!!! What a game!! Love our guys for battling all the way to the end and never giving up! <S>#</S>Seahawks
OTHER PLAYERS
49ers running back Frank Gore (https://twitter.com/Frank_Gore/status/250464536564477952): Who's worse? The dude who directed that anti-Mulim movie or Roger Goodell? I think old Roger!
Gore (https://twitter.com/Frank_Gore/status/250465540580204544): We need to start a fund for @TJLang70. Dat dude gonna get fined to the moon! #RogerGoodellSucks
Former Packers safety LeRoy Butler (https://twitter.com/leap36/status/250461614741016576): I just emailed the commissioner to say I am embarrass to be a former nfl player, after that
Former Packers safety Nick Collins (https://twitter.com/nickthepick36/status/250448112223653888): Seattle u can't feel good about tht win... Because y'all really lost... The refs give y'all the game...
Former Packers defensive tackle Gilbert Brown (https://twitter.com/GilbertBrown/status/250452069671120896): OMG!!! Them ref's sucks... Bbq bull#%$#... Shame on u owners don't dis the best game in the world over money!!! WOW!!!
Former Packers kick returner Desmond Howard (https://twitter.com/DesmondHoward/status/250442397018886144): THIS IS JUST AWFUL! Glad we don't have THIS problem in College Football. This is an embarrassment to every1 associated with the NFL.
Eagles defensive lineman and former Packer Cullen Jenkins (https://twitter.com/CullenJenkins/status/250443471708643329): GB got robbed. Smh
Saints quarterback Drew Brees (https://twitter.com/drewbrees/status/250467499496325120): I love this league and love the game of football, but tonight’s debacle hurts me greatly. This is NOT the league we’re supposed to represent
Cardinals defensive lineman Darnell Dockett (https://twitter.com/ddockett/status/250447042177007617): This is what the NFL has come down to, &yet they tell you to respect the shield! Lol. But they'll try to fine us for everything thing we do.
Bills quarterback – and former Seahawk Tarvaris Jackson (https://twitter.com/7tjackson/status/250448406508625920): Lol... Dont affect me either way. Got love for my old teammates and homies, boys work hard out there but these refs are sad. Pointblank
Dolphins running back Reggie Bush (https://twitter.com/reggie_bush/status/250441864300343296): These refs gotta go I'm sorry
49ers cornerback Perrish Cox (https://twitter.com/pcox16/status/250444106252296194): Is the refs workin for the buffalo wild wings commercial?
Patriots tight end Visanthe Shiancoe (https://twitter.com/VShiancoe/status/250443872663109632): How dare this not be rectified.. too much is at stake to have holes in such an elite league
Eagles tight end Brent Celek (https://twitter.com/BrentCelek/status/250441125234618368): Oh wow. Can't wait to see the backlash here
Saints linebacker David Hawthorne (https://twitter.com/D_Hawthorne57/status/250453608905207809): I predict that after tonight, charities that are sponsered by player fines, will be at a all time high! <S>#</S>silver lining
Former Michigan State tight end Keith Nichol (https://twitter.com/KeithNichol7/status/250443967836086273): Starting to question everything I know about football after watching the Packers get robbed by the officiating tonight.
FORMER PLAYERS, OTHERS
Former Packers executive Andrew Brandt (https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/250451128855195648): Am I convinced the Packers were screwed? Yes. Am I convinced this is the "tipping point" to getting a deal done? No.
SI.com’s Peter King (https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/250446036093513729): One of the great disgraces in NFL history.
NFL agent Blake Baratz (https://twitter.com/blakebaratz/status/250445153075097600): I think for the first time in the history the NFL the league may actually have to step in 2moro and award the Packers the victory from today
Fox Sports’ and former Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman (https://twitter.com/TroyAikman/status/250442377817378817): These games are a joke.
Former NFL running back Alonzo Highsmith (https://twitter.com/alonzohighsmith/status/250444175676416000): An embarrassment to pro sports and will not watch another NFL game until regular officials cone back!!!'
ESPN.com’s Adam Schefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/250444639415451648): Well, the officials decided a game.
The Miami Heat’s LeBron James (https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/250442102595547138): These replacement refs gotta go man!! Packers just got game took from them. I LOVE NFL football to much to see this type of work.
The Cleveland Cavaliers’ Tyler Zeller (https://twitter.com/TeamZeller44/status/250445886537211904): Long story short: Packers got robbed, players are flipping out, replacement refs gotta go.
San Diego Padres pitcher Micah Owings (https://twitter.com/MicahOwings/status/250445271484469249): TIRED of hearing about how bad the officials are...doin the best they can! Maybe the Packers shouldn't have gotten sacked so much...
Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Shane Victorino: How bout the <S>#</S>OffensivePassInterference...didn't know two handed push in the back was allowed lol <S>#</S>NFL #Packers <S>#</S>Seahawks
Comedian and Wisconsin native Frank Caliendo (https://twitter.com/FrankCaliendo/status/250449541382418432): Watching <S>@</S>packers coach Mike Mcarthy press conference. Crazy that the <S>@</S>SouthwestAir logo is behind him. <S>#</S>WannaGetAway? <S>#</S>mnf <S>#</S>nfl <S>#</S>awful
Olympian Lolo Jones (https://twitter.com/tyranosarus_lex/status/250442780856442880): Worst call ever.. buuuut I hate the packers sooo in all reality who cares hahah

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Natedogg
09-25-2012, 06:15 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/171095421.html

Link to original article.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 06:21 AM
Tight end Jermichael Finley: Come on @NFL this (expletive) is getting out of Control. Caused us a DAMN game. Horrible!

Texas, once again stepping it up and providing a solid education.

TheReverend
09-25-2012, 06:23 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/171095421.html

Link to original article.

My bad, had their "by so-and-so" in it, but forgot link, thanks.

go_broncos
09-25-2012, 06:24 AM
Tight end Jermichael Finley: Come on @NFL this (expletive) is getting out of Control. Caused us a DAMN game. Horrible!

Texas, once again stepping it up and providing a solid education.

No wonder you like coaches like Mcd.
Giving importance to petty things.

TheReverend
09-25-2012, 06:24 AM
Tight end Jermichael Finley: Come on @NFL this (expletive) is getting out of Control. Caused us a DAMN game. Horrible!

Texas, once again stepping it up and providing a solid education.

Saw that too, but **** happens in a blind rage.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 06:26 AM
No wonder you like coaches like Mcd.
Giving importance to petty things.

Ummmm, what?!?

fontaine
09-25-2012, 06:27 AM
JosinaAnderson: Roger G is tearing this league apaaaaart!!!

Natedogg
09-25-2012, 06:30 AM
LindseyJones: Roger G resumes negotiations with officials.

LindseyJones: Nope! Just taking a ****!

ludo21
09-25-2012, 06:35 AM
perrish cox try at a joke is funny. ;D

these guys must have money to spare if they want to waste their time blabbing about the officials on a public forum

Brandon29
09-25-2012, 06:42 AM
“DOOOOONNNNTTTTT CAAAARRRREEEEE.”

bronco militia
09-25-2012, 06:53 AM
“DOOOOONNNNTTTTT CAAAARRRREEEEE.”

http://cfbsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cutler-face-9-13-12-e1347599014181.png;D

Meck77
09-25-2012, 07:13 AM
It's too bad Americans aren't as passionate about fixing our government as they are about fixing the refereeing in the NFL.

Play2win
09-25-2012, 07:14 AM
League to Players: Put you money where you mouth is.

TheReverend
09-25-2012, 07:15 AM
It's too bad Americans aren't as passionate about fixing our government as they are about fixing the refereeing in the NFL.

Strong observation. Repped.

Play2win
09-25-2012, 07:17 AM
It's too bad Americans aren't as passionate about fixing our government as they are about fixing the refereeing in the NFL.

Then the Republican party would have been dismantled years ago. :)

BowlenBall
09-25-2012, 07:19 AM
“DOOOOONNNNTTTTT CAAAARRRREEEEE.”

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/896/682/tumblr_maifujtZd41rge9rdo1_500_crop_exact.jpg?w=34 0&h=234&q=75

pricejj
09-25-2012, 07:22 AM
It's too bad Americans aren't as passionate about fixing our government as they are about fixing the refereeing in the NFL.

Exactly.

Natedogg
09-25-2012, 07:26 AM
It's too bad Americans aren't as passionate about fixing our government as they are about fixing the refereeing in the NFL.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/896/682/tumblr_maifujtZd41rge9rdo1_500_crop_exact.jpg?w=34 0&h=234&q=75


DOOOOOONNNT CCCCCCAAAAAAIIRRRRREEE.

v2micca
09-25-2012, 07:28 AM
Exactly.

Don't know where the hell you guys live. But every indication I have seen shows that people care way more about fixing their government than the NFL. The difference is we can all agree on bringing back the regular refs, while no one seems to agree on how to fix the government.

Ray Finkle
09-25-2012, 07:32 AM
It's too bad Americans aren't as passionate about fixing our government as they are about fixing the refereeing in the NFL.

Spend some time here in the DC/VA area.....I'm glad for football to distract me from all the political talk....

Liebs
09-25-2012, 07:36 AM
lol at buffalo wild wings commercial refs

Natedogg
09-25-2012, 07:37 AM
Spend some time here in the DC/VA area.....I'm glad for football to distract me from all the political talk....

"political talk" ≠ "fixing our government," just sayin.

(I live in DC too. It gets annoying as hell.) Where exactly you live?

Pick Six
09-25-2012, 07:38 AM
Was the TD even reviewed? It was clearly within the last 2 minutes...

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 07:42 AM
Was the TD even reviewed? It was clearly within the last 2 minutes...

I thought every TD is reviewed

ColoradoBuff
09-25-2012, 07:43 AM
last night was a total joke and a total black eye at the NFL.

hookemhess
09-25-2012, 07:52 AM
Texas, once again stepping it up and providing a solid education.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/684/thats-just-like-your-opinion-man[1].gif

Boobs McGee
09-25-2012, 07:58 AM
Thanks for the link! Called the number, left a message. Asked them to please call me back, as I'd be happy to discuss some possible options in regards to bringing the refs back. ;D

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:04 AM
It was reviewed and upheld......so it's pretty clear that more than one replacement ref had $ on the game.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 08:09 AM
It was reviewed and upheld......so it's pretty clear that more than one replacement ref had $ on the game.

The play was ruled a completed pass to the offense by joint possession. It is not reviewable whether or not it was jointly possessed or if Jennings had control first. All they could do was review whether or not the pass was completed.

They screwed up the initial call and could not overturn it. Just like when Cutler fumbled the ball in our on red zone and Hochuli ruled it incomplete and called the play dead.

So, you are wrong. It was reviewed and upheld correctly. The problem is the initial call was wrong.

Pontius Pirate
09-25-2012, 08:11 AM
Very simple explanation to last nights game: one of the ref's had either Golden Taint or Russell Wilson on their fantasy team.

Rabb
09-25-2012, 08:11 AM
It was reviewed and upheld......so it's pretty clear that more than one replacement ref had $ on the game.

well, the person that confirms things in the booth is not a replacement...

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 08:11 AM
The play was ruled a completed pass to the offense by joint possession. It is not reviewable whether or not it was jointly possessed or if Jennings had control first. All they could do was review whether or not the pass was completed.

They screwed up the initial call and could not overturn it. Just like when Cutler fumbled the ball in our on red zone and Hochuli ruled it incomplete and called the play dead.

So, you are wrong. It was reviewed and upheld correctly. The problem is the initial call was wrong.

I thought a TD is reviewed as confirming it a TD. Not just one facet of the play.

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 08:15 AM
well, the person that confirms things in the booth is not a replacement...

Huh? The head referree goes to the replay booth to confirm it. You must be talking about the replay assistant upstairs that signal down on the field of a play should or should not be reviewed. They don't confirm plays.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 08:16 AM
I thought a TD is reviewed as confirming it a TD. Not just one facet of the play.

It was ruled a TD.

They cannot review joint possession, on any play. Since it was ruled a TD, they could review to see if it was a completed pass (clearly completed, just to Jennings). That's all they could do.

****ing sucks for GB. Just like it sucked for the Chargers when Cutler fumbled the ball and it was called incomplete.

Replacement refs made an egregious error, but its not the first time officiating has cost a team a win and it wont be the last time. Regular or replacement officials.

Best thing to do is go out and dominate your opponent and dont let the refs have a chance to decide the game.

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 08:18 AM
It was ruled a TD.

They cannot review joint possession, on any play. Since it was ruled a TD, they could review to see if it was a completed pass (clearly completed, just to Jennings). That's all they could do.

****ing sucks for GB. Just like it sucked for the Chargers when Cutler fumbled the ball and it was called incomplete.

Replacement refs made an egregious error, but its not the first time officiating has cost a team a win and it wont be the last time. Regular or replacement officials.

Best thing to do is go out and dominate your opponent and dont let the refs have a chance to decide the game.


Gotcha. Another one of those judgement calls.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:20 AM
It was reviewed and upheld.

So, you are wrong. It was reviewed and upheld correctly. .

So I was right.

Rabb
09-25-2012, 08:22 AM
Huh? The head referree goes to the replay booth to confirm it. You must be talking about the replay assistant upstairs that signal down on the field of a play should or should not be reviewed. They don't confirm plays.

Yes, sorry...and they have their "adviser" on the sideline that I believe is not a replacement right?

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 08:23 AM
Gotcha. Another one of those judgement calls.

Shouldn't have been a judgement call.

These officials, besides getting calls wrong, have not been in proper position in a lot of use cases. This play was a good example of that. The closest official was in the back of the end zone and the next closest one was too far away to see what was going on. The one in the back of the end zone did not have any kind of angle to see what was happening in front of him with Jennings' body shielding him from view.

That official btw, did not signal the touchdown. The official further away (I guess it was the side judge who was at the 20 or so when the play happened) came in and signalled a TD because he saw joint possession at the end, but not at the beginning.

The back judge should have been on the side of the end zone, not behind it. The side gives you a better view of everything that happens in such a play, the back obstructs much of your view. Bad spotting by the official.

But even if he had been in the right position, I have no confidence they would have known the right call because most people probably didn't know the difference. Until last nigth I thought joint possession went to receiver in all cases.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:23 AM
They cannot review joint possession, on any play. Since it was ruled a TD, they could review to see if it was a completed pass (clearly completed, just to Jennings). That's all they could do.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but technically an interception counts as an incomplete pass when determining the QBs (and overall game) stats, doesn't it? If so, then the reviewing ref could've determined that it was in fact an incomplete pass after reviewing it.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 08:24 AM
So I was right.

Your claim about the refs having money on the game because it was reviewed and upheld implied that the reason it was reviewed and upheld was because the refs had money on the game.

****ing bull****. It was reviewed and upheld because that's the rule.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 08:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but technically an interception counts as an incomplete pass when determining the QBs (and overall game) stats, doesn't it? If so, then the reviewing ref could've determined that it was in fact an incomplete pass after reviewing it.

Meh, maybe but I don't think, by rules, interceptions work that way. That's kind of a lawyerly way to think about a rules interpretation hough, seems like a loophole.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:28 AM
Your claim about the refs having money on the game because it was reviewed and upheld implied that the reason it was reviewed and upheld was because the refs had money on the game.

****ing bull****.

So you can prove there's nothing shady going on? Ask Vegas how much money swung on that one call.

It's getting as bad as JFK. If there is no conspiracy, they're sure going out of their way to make it look as though there is one.

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 08:32 AM
Yes, sorry...and they have their "adviser" on the sideline that I believe is not a replacement right?

Not sure on that one. I assume the entire officiating team is replaced by scabs

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2012, 08:35 AM
So you can prove there's nothing shady going on? Ask Vegas how much money swung on that one call.

It's getting as bad as JFK. If there is no conspiracy, they're sure going out of their way to make it look as though there is one.

Proving a negative?


Okay, prove you don't molest piglets.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Proving a negative?


Okay, prove you don't molest piglets.

Ummmm, please try to follow along. He's the one who said I was wrong. He's the one who has to provide evidence to back that up.

Drunken.Broncoholic
09-25-2012, 08:38 AM
Problem really isn't whether it was an int or a joint completion. Neither should've never been debated. The blatant push in the back of a defender(offensive PI) not being called is the problem. Easily seen from the stands(I have hippy Seattle buddies at the game to confirm, although heavily intoxicated). Calling the PI cancels out the completion/int. that was flat out blown.

Or we could just add on the other horrendous calls moments before this play.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:39 AM
Yes, sorry...and they have their "adviser" on the sideline that I believe is not a replacement right?

Has to be, doesn't it? It's a new position that wasn't in existence before the ref lockout/strike/whatever. Nobody has "crossed the picket line" to assume those positions or I'm sure we'd have heard about that.

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2012, 08:40 AM
Ummmm, please try to follow along. He's the one who said I was wrong. He's the one who has to provide evidence to back that up.

You're asking him to prove something shady isn't going on, correct?

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:41 AM
You're asking him to prove a something shady isn't going on, correct?

That's the claim he made.

Rabb
09-25-2012, 08:45 AM
Has to be, doesn't it? It's a new position that wasn't in existence before the ref lockout/strike/whatever. Nobody has "crossed the picket line" to assume those positions or I'm sure we'd have heard about that.

I am nearly certain of it yeah, and I agree on the picket line thing as well...always wondered.

BroncoMan4ever
09-25-2012, 08:46 AM
Was the TD even reviewed? It was clearly within the last 2 minutes...

I thought it was only reviewed if it was called a TD on the field. If the refs blew the call there is no review.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:48 AM
I am nearly certain of it yeah, and I agree on the picket line thing as well...always wondered.

It's something else to think about though. These replacement refs are getting abused left and right, questioned and analyzed to death. But what about these "sideline advisers"? I haven't heard a peep about them. Who are they? What are THEIR qualifications?

So many questions.

broncocalijohn
09-25-2012, 08:49 AM
Shouldn't have been a judgement call.


The back judge should have been on the side of the end zone, not behind it. The side gives you a better view of everything that happens in such a play, the back obstructs much of your view. Bad spotting by the official.

But even if he had been in the right position, I have no confidence they would have known the right call because most people probably didn't know the difference. Until last nigth I thought joint possession went to receiver in all cases.

The back judge was in the right position. That is why it is called a back judge. You dont want him to go from the back to the side during a play. Plus, if the ball is tipped and a player catches it near the back line, you want the judge to be able to see the feet and the catch. This was all on the side judge (white guy) who was off screen during the throw and then comes in and makes the TD ruling. He ****ed up the PI and obviously didnt see Tate's arm come off of the ball as Jennings makes the completed catch (both feet to the ground with the ball).

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 08:50 AM
I thought it was only reviewed if it was called a TD on the field. If the refs blew the call there is no review.

Huh? It WAS called a TD on the field and was reviewed.

Husky Jerk
09-25-2012, 08:57 AM
It was ruled a TD.

They cannot review joint possession, on any play. Since it was ruled a TD, they could review to see if it was a completed pass (clearly completed, just to Jennings). That's all they could do.

****ing sucks for GB. Just like it sucked for the Chargers when Cutler fumbled the ball and it was called incomplete.

Replacement refs made an egregious error, but its not the first time officiating has cost a team a win and it wont be the last time. Regular or replacement officials.

Best thing to do is go out and dominate your opponent and dont let the refs have a chance to decide the game.

This is not correct. A catch, interception, or an incomplete pass is subject to review regardless of joint possession. It's in the rule book. Can't remember the # but the radio was all over it. Something was written by mike florio I believe. They read the actual rule and it specifically mentioned this.

BowlenBall
09-25-2012, 08:58 AM
Haven't seen this one posted yet, but it's an instant classic:

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Tom-Crabtree-replacement-refs-painting.jpg

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2012, 09:01 AM
Don't know where the hell you guys live. But every indication I have seen shows that people care way more about fixing their government than the NFL. The difference is we can all agree on bringing back the regular refs, while no one seems to agree on how to fix the government.

pretty true. One is a black and white issue, one isnt.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2012, 09:02 AM
Regardless of rules over replay and whatnot, who cares...it was clear as ****ing day that Tate never had "joint" possession let alone ANY kind of possession.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 09:16 AM
This is not correct. A catch, interception, or an incomplete pass is subject to review regardless of joint possession. It's in the rule book. Can't remember the # but the radio was all over it. Something was written by mike florio I believe. They read the actual rule and it specifically mentioned this.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 of the NFL rulebook discusses a simultaneous catch.

"If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control," the rule states.

That strongly indicates Jennings should have been awarded an interception. Tate never seemed to truly gain joint control. A little known part of the rule explains why it wasn't overturned.

The rulebook also states when a simultaneous catch is ruled, you can't review who made the catch. You can only review if it was complete or incomplete.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000066116/article/nfl-to-address-packersseahawks-hail-mary-call-tues?module=HP11_cp

Edit: To be fair, the simultaneous possession crap isn't specifically singled out as non-reviewable, but the Reviewable section does state that the Replay system will cover the following plays ONLY and that situation is not in there.

I guess it really depends on how you want to intepret it.

Chris
09-25-2012, 09:19 AM
Because this deserves it's own thread:

http://orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=31533&stc=1&d=1348554840

Apparently this person has never heard of print screen.

That One Guy
09-25-2012, 09:41 AM
I am nearly certain of it yeah, and I agree on the picket line thing as well...always wondered.

Supposedly lots of refs want to come back (not sure if stated or implied but they're ready to take what's on the table, it seemed) but the problem is the NFL locked out the union. The refs aren't striking or some could cross the picket line. Since they're locked out, none of them may work.

That One Guy
09-25-2012, 09:43 AM
I just saw the NFL's statement on it. Wow! What a tapdance. They can only keep polishing this turd for so long...

oubronco
09-25-2012, 09:44 AM
It's too bad Americans aren't as passionate about fixing our government as they are about fixing the refereeing in the NFL.

Amen Brotha

Husky Jerk
09-25-2012, 10:02 AM
Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 of the NFL rulebook discusses a simultaneous catch.

"If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control," the rule states.

That strongly indicates Jennings should have been awarded an interception. Tate never seemed to truly gain joint control. A little known part of the rule explains why it wasn't overturned.

The rulebook also states when a simultaneous catch is ruled, you can't review who made the catch. You can only review if it was complete or incomplete.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000066116/article/nfl-to-address-packersseahawks-hail-mary-call-tues?module=HP11_cp

Edit: To be fair, the simultaneous possession crap isn't specifically singled out as non-reviewable, but the Reviewable section does state that the Replay system will cover the following plays ONLY and that situation is not in there.

I guess it really depends on how you want to intepret it.

Interesting. Rule 15 sec 9. Says they are reviewable. Would post it but too much work on my phone.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2012, 10:12 AM
Interesting. Rule 15 sec 9. Says they are reviewable. Would post it but too much work on my phone.

No it doesn't.

Tombstone RJ
09-25-2012, 10:12 AM
IMHO, the replay officials should have overturned the TD. However, they didn't. I think this is because the booth/replay officials want to allow the replacement refs the opportunity to make the calls. That is, the NFL is in a very difficult situation. If the replay/booth officials constantly overturn the field officials rulings then that will affect the field official's confidence and they will continue to make bad calls due to lack of confidence. So I think that even though the replay/booth officials had enough evidence to overturn the TD call, they chose not to in order to side with the field officials.

I'm guessing that had this same situation occured with regular refs, the booth/replay officials would have overturned the TD call. But due to the precarious situation the NFL is in, I'm guessing the regular replay/booth officials have a tacit mandate to not overturn the replacement ref's rulings (unless there is just a huge amount of evidence to do so) so as to support the replacment refs. JMHO of course.

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2012, 10:24 AM
IMHO, the replay officials should have overturned the TD. However, they didn't. I think this is because the booth/replay officials want to allow the replacement refs the opportunity to make the calls. That is, the NFL is in a very difficult situation. If the replay/booth officials constantly overturn the field officials rulings then that will affect the field official's confidence and they will continue to make bad calls due to lack of confidence. So I think that even though the replay/booth officials had enough evidence to overturn the TD call, they chose not to in order to side with the field officials.

I'm guessing that had this same situation occured with regular refs, the booth/replay officials would have overturned the TD call. But due to the precarious situation the NFL is in, I'm guessing the regular replay/booth officials have a tacit mandate to not overturn the replacement ref's rulings (unless there is just a huge amount of evidence to do so) so as to support the replacment refs. JMHO of course.

Replay official doesn't overturn anything. They just tell the head ref (guy in the white hat on the field) to go into his little booth and review it and make the call.

menonite
09-25-2012, 10:30 AM
Replay official doesn't overturn anything. They just tell the head ref (guy in the white hat on the field) to go into his little booth and review it and make the call.

As I posted in another thread, Mike Florio reported that the scab refs have a non scab "supervisor" who helps them make the calls. I assume that he is in the booth. Either way, the NFL itself, in it's statement today, says that the call was reviewable becasue it took place in the end zone.

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2012, 10:36 AM
As I posted in another thread, Mike Florio reported that the scab refs have a non scab "supervisor" who helps them make the calls. I assume that he is in the booth. Either way, the NFL itself, in it's statement today, says that the call was reviewable becasue it took place in the end zone.

No, he's the extra ref on the sidelines with a Motorola headset.

Edit: the only thing reviewable is whether is was a catch or not, possession is not reviewable.

broncosteven
09-25-2012, 10:38 AM
BTW I called the NFL office last week, it rang busy.

menonite
09-25-2012, 10:46 AM
No, he's the extra ref on the sidelines with a Motorola headset.

Edit: the only thing reviewable is whether is was a catch or not, possession is not reviewable.

From the NFLS statement:

“Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

“Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.


Am I misreading something here?

Gort
09-25-2012, 10:55 AM
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/896/682/tumblr_maifujtZd41rge9rdo1_500_crop_exact.jpg?w=34 0&h=234&q=75


DOOOOOONNNT CCCCCCAAAAAAIIRRRRREEE.


^^^

this. x1000.

couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of self-important excessive dairy consumers.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3cib3fK139M/TMvVUSyIQJI/AAAAAAAAF2I/uXQ1XS1NFHM/s1600/Worlds+Smallest+Violin.jpg

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-25-2012, 10:55 AM
we need to overthrow the owners and that figurehead supposedly in charge and install a dictatorship. i nominate myself if you got any objections take it up with my secret police it soo secret i dont know who they are. these refs are a bit stupid only thing you can do is joke and bitch out the nfl

Gort
09-25-2012, 11:01 AM
Haven't seen this one posted yet, but it's an instant classic:

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Tom-Crabtree-replacement-refs-painting.jpg

in the NY art world, i believe that would automatically make it a masterpiece.

don't believe me?

just see the work of Andres Serrano or Chris Ofili for examples.

Miss I.
09-25-2012, 11:03 AM
Saints linebacker David Hawthorne (https://twitter.com/D_Hawthorne57/status/250453608905207809): I predict that after tonight, charities that are sponsered by player fines, will be at a all time high! <s>#</s>silver lining

I think that's my favorite, funny, yet aside from a typo in sponsored mostly literate. I also thought the use of caused instead of cost was pretty funny. the rest is mostly ranting, though Drew Brees was pretty eloquent.

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2012, 11:04 AM
From the NFLS statement:

“Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

“Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.


Am I misreading something here?

Wow, had not seen that before and they weren't talking about it last night either.


and Rep for you.

menonite
09-25-2012, 11:09 AM
Wow, had not seen that before and they weren't talking about it last night either.


and Rep for you.

Thanks. Personally, I've given up trying to figure out NFL rules. They are too complex and sometimes seemingly contradictory. And it seems that the few that I do understand get changed every other year.

Husky Jerk
09-25-2012, 11:33 AM
No it doesn't.

You're right. After reading the article, I realize I misheard what was said. However it does state all catches are reviewable without any omissions such as simultaneous catch so I would interpret that to mean that play was reviewable. Just glad it wasn't the Broncos getting screwed like that.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2012, 11:36 AM
You're right. After reading the article, I realize I misheard what was said. However it does state all catches are reviewable without any omissions such as simultaneous catch so I would interpret that to mean that play was reviewable. Just glad it wasn't the Broncos getting screwed like that.

Actually YOU are right and Rock Chalk is wrong. The league explicitly stated that simultaneous catches in the end zone....and specifically that aspect of this play....are reviewable.