Get regular officials back......please

[Jetmeck]

Who do we call and raise hell with to get the regular officials back on the field. ?

Our game was the prime example of this. Fumble call was wrong.
No holding on Doom and phantom PI call on Carter.

Game changing to say the least.

So who can I call to complain ?

I am good at that.....:thumbsup:

[lonestar]

call their unions reps.. they'll make it happen for a fellow union guy..

:thumbs:

[Kaylore]

We just need to start a petition or protest. Those always work.

[brncs_fan]

I told myself after the game Monday night that I wasn't watching any other games (besides the Broncos of course) until the replacement refs are gone. It totally sucks too because they are ruining my free Sunday Ticket experience.

[Jetmeck]

call their unions reps.. they'll make it happen for a fellow union guy..

:thumbs:

The usual its all labors fault douche chimes in..............

Here is the bottom line...the NFL is EXTREMELY PROFITABLE and that profit should be shared and if they believe in the integrity of the NFL......prove it and strike a reasonable deal.

Officials don't deserve the world but they sure as hell don';t deserve to have their pension terminated when the NFL is filthy rich.

You anti labor clowns haven't a leg to stand on here........NFL is not wanting to share the riches..................

[Jetmeck]

We just need to start a petition or protest. Those always work.

Anybody have phone numbers for the NFL or even somebody close to Goodell..............start slamming the guy with thousands of calls and he will come around ? Anybody ?

[crush17]

Quick, start a thread on a message board!

[Jetmeck]

Quick, start a thread on a message board!

just did.......thx

[maher_tyler]

I told myself after the game Monday night that I wasn't watching any other games (besides the Broncos of course) until the replacement refs are gone. It totally sucks too because they are ruining my free Sunday Ticket experience.

A lot of the games are mind numbing. One head scratcher after the other. Such long delays. You think the game is going to continue only for them to blow the whistle for another huddle. The calls are so bad i can hardly watch the games...

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

I wonder where Hoculi is during these games. Would be fun to have a beer with that dude during a game making fun of replacement ref stupidity.

[RhymesayersDU]

The usual its all labors fault douche chimes in..............

Here is the bottom line...the NFL is EXTREMELY PROFITABLE and that profit should be shared and if they believe in the integrity of the NFL......prove it and strike a reasonable deal.

Officials don't deserve the world but they sure as hell don';t deserve to have their pension terminated when the NFL is filthy rich.

You anti labor clowns haven't a leg to stand on here........NFL is not wanting to share the riches..................

Why should the NFL share their riches, exactly?

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Why should the NFL share their riches, exactly?

While we're asking that question I want to know why they won't share their riches with the fans? Why not give us a cut from all those billions? Aren't we entitled to money that is made because of us? I need the NFL to pay my bills too. They shouldnt hog all that cash. They don't deserve money they made.


/sarcasm

[errand]

The usual its all labors fault douche chimes in..............

Here is the bottom line...the NFL is EXTREMELY PROFITABLE and that profit should be shared and if they believe in the integrity of the NFL......prove it and strike a reasonable deal.

Officials don't deserve the world but they sure as hell don';t deserve to have their pension terminated when the NFL is filthy rich.

You anti labor clowns haven't a leg to stand on here........NFL is not wanting to share the riches..................

first off it's the owner's money.....the refs didn't buy the team....Pat Bowlen did, Jerry Jones did, Wellington Mara did, Robert Kraft did...they don't have to share it with anyone except other minority owners and stock holders. Then again you subscribe to the belief of wealth redistribution

Are you doing pretty well for yourself?

If yes, are you dividing your net income up and sharing it with the kid who cuts your grass, bags your groceries, brings your food to you in a restaurant? Or are you paying /tipping them a fair wage for the work they do?

BTW...the old CBA expired....so the owners owe them nothing.

[Cito Pelon]

A lot of the games are mind numbing. One head scratcher after the other. Such long delays. You think the game is going to continue only for them to blow the whistle for another huddle. The calls are so bad i can hardly watch the games...

Yeah, they're so unfamiliar with the NFL's different rules they have to consult too much with the sideline NFL guy, and each other.

It doesn't help the HC's are trying to bully them around all the time, are way out on the field bitching and bullying. I guess it's too late at this point to start flagging these HC's for unsportsmanlike conduct for running out to the hash marks bitching and moaning. That should have been stopped years ago by the League and the regular refs.

I'll mention that as soon as the reg refs come back people will still be complaining about bad spots, botched holding calls, PI, DB's holding, OL holding, long delays, the whole gamut.

[spdirty]

The usual its all labors fault douche chimes in..............

Here is the bottom line...the NFL is EXTREMELY PROFITABLE and that profit should be shared and if they believe in the integrity of the NFL......prove it and strike a reasonable deal.

Officials don't deserve the world but they sure as hell don';t deserve to have their pension terminated when the NFL is filthy rich.

You anti labor clowns haven't a leg to stand on here........NFL is not wanting to share the riches..................

The only reason why the union.............wins here..............is because the INTEGRITY of the game............is being tarnished...........because the REPLACEMENTS..........are so bad...........if the REPLACEMENTS were competent enough to not screw with the integrity of the GAME............as well as PLAYER SAFETY and fan enjoyment..............at this point the referees union is winning, and should hold their ground until.......the shlt REALLY hits the fan with these replacement idiots.

[UberBroncoMan]

All it would take to get the NFL budging is the players going on strike. No games = no money. They'd submit pretty quick.

[Bacchus]

In reality we are talking $63,000 per team. That is it. This is not about money it is about getting rid of a pension.

I am a person that thinks everyone should have a pension. All a pension is is money that the company and employee put into an account for retirement. Why shouldn't we all have pensions. Instead companies like Wal-Mart are paying their employees $7 an hour with few benefits. it does not make sense. If people had pensions then they would be less reliant on their social security.

[rugbythug]

In reality we are talking $63,000 per team. That is it. This is not about money it is about getting rid of a pension.

I am a person that thinks everyone should have a pension. All a pension is is money that the company and employee put into an account for retirement. Why shouldn't we all have pensions. Instead companies like Wal-Mart are paying their employees $7 an hour with few benefits. it does not make sense. If people had pensions then they would be less reliant on their social security.

Social Security=Something that will be gone long before I hit 70.

People need to save their own money and live with in their means. Trusting a company to pay for them for the last 30 years of their life does not sound like a good gamble to me. Companies come and go fast. A 401 K looks much better than my World Com pension.

[chadta]

People need to save their own money and live with in their means. Trusting a company to pay for them for the last 30 years of their life does not sound like a good gamble to me. Companies come and go fast. A 401 K looks much better than my World Com pension.

what is hammer nail head Alex for the win. :thumbsup:

Its always somebody elses job, or fault.

[srphoenix]

I'm so anti union it's crazy, but this isn't a union vs non-union battle anymore. It's just a pure straight up talent divide and its become very apparent in Monday nights game how wide that divide truly is.

If they wanted to ditch the old refs which is truly their prerogative, they should have done so with a more talented crew.

[go_broncos]

I can't even predict who will win games.These refs are dictating the outcome of the games.

[errand]

Some people have no clue why other people assume risks to start a business....

I did not start my business to hire others make them rich or provide their retirement...I risked MY life savings on me to make me rich. Now.if my employees want to go empty out their life savings and take on the same risks that I did, then I'll "share" the profits proportionately with them.

Cuz if my business fails all they lose is a $23k year job....I lose EVERYTHING.

[DBroncos4life]

I'm so anti union it's crazy, but this isn't a union vs non-union battle anymore. It's just a pure straight up talent divide and its become very apparent in Monday nights game how wide that divide truly is.

If they wanted to ditch the old refs which is truly their prerogative, they should have done so with a more talented crew.

No no no. Being a NFL ref is just a part time job. No skill or work goes into what they do so anyone can do the job. Ask people here they will let you know about it.

[DBroncos4life]

Some people have no clue why other people assume risks to start a business....

I did not start my business to hire others make them rich or provide their retirement...I risked MY life savings on me to make me rich. Now.if my employees want to go empty out their life savings and take on the same risks that I did, then I'll "share" the profits proportionately with them.

Cuz if my business fails all they lose is a $23k year job....I lose EVERYTHING.

Lol yeah the NFL is really in jeopardy of going under!!!

[That One Guy]

Lol yeah the NFL is really in jeopardy of going under!!!

-Point



-Your head





-The ground

[55CrushEm]

The usual its all labors fault douche chimes in..............

Here is the bottom line...the NFL is EXTREMELY PROFITABLE and that profit should be shared and if they believe in the integrity of the NFL......prove it and strike a reasonable deal.

Officials don't deserve the world but they sure as hell don';t deserve to have their pension terminated when the NFL is filthy rich.

You anti labor clowns haven't a leg to stand on here........NFL is not wanting to share the riches..................

Spoken like a true socialist.

[That One Guy]

The usual its all labors fault douche chimes in..............

Here is the bottom line...the NFL is EXTREMELY PROFITABLE and that profit should be shared and if they believe in the integrity of the NFL......prove it and strike a reasonable deal.

Officials don't deserve the world but they sure as hell don';t deserve to have their pension terminated when the NFL is filthy rich.

You anti labor clowns haven't a leg to stand on here........NFL is not wanting to share the riches..................

It's quite simple: Either the NFL is willing to pay the refs what the refs are asking to do the job the NFL needs done or they're not. The refs, then, get to choose whether they would like to do the job for the amount of money the NFL is offering. If they don't, someone else will.

The fans, then, get the choice to watch or not watch the product the NFL produces. As long as people are still watching, the NFL has no reason to budge. None at all.

[DBroncos4life]

-Point



-Your head





-The ground

You're right let's compare starting a business to something that's been going for over 80 years strong.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Wow.

"I'm just fine watching ****ty football.. just don't give in to those refs and their union because rabble rabble SOSHULIZM!" ****ing retards.

[Bronco Boy]

Why even have refs at all? People will watch even if there are no refs and they just drop the ball in the middle of the field and see what happens.

[Bacchus]

Social Security=Something that will be gone long before I hit 70.

People need to save their own money and live with in their means. Trusting a company to pay for them for the last 30 years of their life does not sound like a good gamble to me. Companies come and go fast. A 401 K looks much better than my World Com pension.

Yeah, tell that to all the people that had their 401K decimated by the housing collapse in 2008.

[Bacchus]

It's quite simple: Either the NFL is willing to pay the refs what the refs are asking to do the job the NFL needs done or they're not. The refs, then, get to choose whether they would like to do the job for the amount of money the NFL is offering. If they don't, someone else will.

The fans, then, get the choice to watch or not watch the product the NFL produces. As long as people are still watching, the NFL has no reason to budge. None at all.

You are right, as of now the NFL has no reason to budge, we'll see how it plays out in a couple of weeks. I will never buy another jersey again but I am just one person.

[Play2win]

Players are getting paid too much, the referees are not getting paid enough (part time- are you kidding me?!?)

Gee, I wonder what we should do here...

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Why even have refs at all? People will watch even if there are no refs and they just drop the ball in the middle of the field and see what happens.

I would go as far as saying people would watch scab players as well.

[RhymesayersDU]

Wow.

"I'm just fine watching ****ty football.. just don't give in to those refs and their union because rabble rabble SOSHULIZM!" ****ing retards.

I'm not watching ****ty football. What game are you watching? And if it's so ****ty, why do you keep watching?

[That One Guy]

I'm not watching ****ty football. What game are you watching? And if it's so ****ty, why do you keep watching?

Gotta agree. In games where I have no major rooting interest, there's very few plays I find significant enough to care about. I watch and enjoy the game.

Obviously there were more plays I cared about in the Broncos game but it can always be turned off if it gets too bad.

[Br0nc0Buster]

The Broncos Falcons game was an abomination
The officiating ruined the game

I love football too much to just stop watching it, but I am less likely to pay for the expenses of traveling to a game only to watch the refs **** up even the most basic of calls

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

I'm not watching ****ty football. What game are you watching? And if it's so ****ty, why do you keep watching?

Yes, you are.

And I keep watching in the misguided hope that the league wasn't completely full of **** when they tell us these moron scab refs will improve. I ain't seeing it. And 4+ hours for a football game is ludicrous.

We'll see what happens when they blow a call that actually costs the Broncos a game. They tried their damnedest this past week.

[That One Guy]

You're right let's compare starting a business to something that's been going for over 80 years strong.

So you think 32 of we Maners could run the NFL and be equally as successful as the current owners?

[That One Guy]

Yes, you are.

And I keep watching in the misguided hope that the league wasn't completely full of **** when they tell us these moron scab refs will improve. I ain't seeing it. And 4+ hours for a football game is ludicrous.

We'll see what happens when they blow a call that actually costs the Broncos a game. They tried their damnedest this past week.

LOL

"It sucks but I keep watching to see if it'll stop sucking." Sound logic right there.

[DBroncos4life]

So you think 32 of we Maners could run the NFL and be equally as successful as the current owners?

Lol how long have most of these owners been doing this?

[Bronco Boy]

LOL

"It sucks but I keep watching to see if it'll stop sucking." Sound logic right there.

It's kind of like a car wreck. You know you shouldn't watch but you can't look away because it's so horrible.

[lonestar]

Lol how long have most of these owners been doing this?

some forever like the Rooneys and the guy that just died in BAL others like the guy in JAX about a year.. most have been doing it for a couple of decades Pat is a little over 30 IIRC.

[gyldenlove]

You are right, as of now the NFL has no reason to budge, we'll see how it plays out in a couple of weeks. I will never buy another jersey again but I am just one person.

The main risk the NFL is running is that they can become liable if a player suffers an injury that can reasonably be said to have been avoidable had qualified referees been present. If this occurs the NFL by virtue of having put less capable people in charge of safety could be liable for damages. The other risk is of course if one of the replacements is found out to have strong ties to a team and can be proven to have influenced the result of a game the NFL could be liable for all potential betting losses as they have not vetted the replacements nearly as well as they would a normal ref.

[errand]

No no no. Being a NFL ref is just a part time job. No skill or work goes into what they do so anyone can do the job. Ask people here they will let you know about it.

Well given the fact a lot of clowns on here think they can run, coach, draft for, QB, and play almost every position for an NFL franchise...why would they not think they can officiate a game as well?


Go back and read every game thread, before this season.....you'll read numerous accounts of how the refs were ****ing **** up missing this call or that penalty long before the contract with the NFL ended.

Search refs+suck on here...and there's about 7 pages of it (not all are about the NFL refs, however i'm not gonna sort the posts out by poster, etc.)......and guess what, 6 of them were before the contract ended....which means a lot of clowns trashed the same refs they're now crying for and defending. LOL

[Play2win]

Asking a serious question, we're the games worse watching the scab referees or (during the strike) watching the scab players?

[errand]

Asking a serious question, we're the games worse watching the scab referees or (during the strike) watching the scab players?

replacement players....however the Broncos replacement roster went 2-1. Joe Dudek ran for 132 yards leading us to MNF win over Raiders.

[lonestar]

The main risk the NFL is running is that they can become liable if a player suffers an injury that can reasonably be said to have been avoidable had qualified referees been present. If this occurs the NFL by virtue of having put less capable people in charge of safety could be liable for damages. The other risk is of course if one of the replacements is found out to have strong ties to a team and can be proven to have influenced the result of a game the NFL could be liable for all potential betting losses as they have not vetted the replacements nearly as well as they would a normal ref.

are you serious?

I mean really serious.

The NFL has lawyers up their kazoo, do you really think they have not put this crap to bed already, when some other moron thought it up?

[lonestar]

Well given the fact a lot of clowns on here think they can run, coach, draft for, QB, and play almost every position for an NFL franchise...why would they not think they can officiate a game as well?


Go back and read every game thread, before this season.....you'll read numerous accounts of how the refs were ****ing **** up missing this call or that penalty long before the contract with the NFL ended.

Search refs+suck on here...and there's about 7 pages of it (not all are about the NFL refs, however i'm not gonna sort the posts out by poster, etc.)......and guess what, 6 of them were before the contract ended....which means a lot of clowns trashed the same refs they're now crying for and defending. LOL


good post..

to bad lots of folks will never understand it..

your correct when you saygiven the fact a lot of clowns on here think they can run, coach, draft for, QB, and play almost every position for an NFL franchise...why would they not think they can officiate a game as well?


:thumbs:

[errand]

Lol yeah the NFL is really in jeopardy of going under!!!


Perhaps not.....but teams have folded in the past...whole leagues have folded in the past as well.

the point was it's not the refs money so the owners, both majority and minority (and the shareholders in GB) don't have to "share" it with anyone else.

Do you "share" your net income with your neighbors or anyone else that isn't a part of your family?

[errand]

Wow.

"I'm just fine watching ****ty football.. just don't give in to those refs and their union because rabble rabble SOSHULIZM!" ****ing retards.

socialism remark was because the clown said the owners need to share their wealth with people who did nothing to create it.

There hasn't been a single solitary game played where the refs of old didn't blow a call, or miss a call or penalty....and people on here have bitched about it constantly.

Amazing how some people on here think player A who is playing poorly now cannot become as good as elite player B, but these refs can't become as good as those they replaced...

[errand]

You are right, as of now the NFL has no reason to budge, we'll see how it plays out in a couple of weeks. I will never buy another jersey again but I am just one person.


Ironic that you're not forced to spend money on things you don't want to spend it on, but you think the NFL should be.

[lonestar]

socialism remark was because the clown said the owners need to share their wealth with people who did nothing to create it.

There hasn't been a single solitary game played where the refs of old didn't blow a call, or miss a call or penalty....and people on here have b****ed about it constantly.

Amazing how some people on here think player A who is playing poorly now cannot become as good as elite player B, but these refs can't become as good as those they replaced...

it is easy spending someone else's money.. and for the most part most of the morons that have said this are huge union fans and could care less about the long term welfare of the NFL..

the money is here right now we have to spend it.. :thumbsup:

[Flex Gunmetal]

socialism remark was because the clown said the owners need to share their wealth with people who did nothing to create it.

There hasn't been a single solitary game played where the refs of old didn't blow a call, or miss a call or penalty....and people on here have b****ed about it constantly.

Amazing how some people on here think player A who is playing poorly now cannot become as good as elite player B, but these refs can't become as good as those they replaced...

Bro, just because something isn't perfect, doesn't mean it getting worse isn't as bad as everyone's making it out to be.

The NFL profits from games that must be refereed. There are specific refs that can officiate these games to the standard that has been set by both the NFL and those referees. Without these refs, the quality of the product is compromised, and the fans and players suffer.
Ergo, the absence of qualified officials drags down the quality of the product. Should those responsible for upholding a standard not share in an agreeable amount of the profits yielded by the product that they improve?

Face it, they are the best in the world, and we don't have awesome enough robots yet to replace them. The overall loss to meet their demands is such a small piece of the pie, it's silly.
Full time, or part time, they are still the standard.

[errand]

Players are getting paid too much, the referees are not getting paid enough (part time- are you kidding me?!?)

Gee, I wonder what we should do here...

Well, the truth is this....

Giving the players or refs a bigger slice of the pie doesn't hurt the owners...just as raising taxes on corporations don't hurt the corporations....it hurts the fans/customers/consumers as they will raise their prices accordingly.

Again, if the owners give the refs what they want but raise your prices to compensate for the profit loss, what would you say then?

[errand]

The Broncos Falcons game was an abomination
The officiating ruined the game



Really? The four turnovers and falling behind 20-0 kind of put a damper on it for me.....but I still watched every second of it.

[Inkana7]

Well, the truth is this....

Giving the players or refs a bigger slice of the pie doesn't hurt the owners...just as raising taxes on corporations don't hurt the corporations....it hurts the fans/customers/consumers as they will raise their prices accordingly.

Again, if the owners give the refs what they want but raise your prices to compensate for the profit loss, what would you say then?

So like, this is a thing that actually does not happen because of that whole demand thing.

[errand]

We'll see what happens when they blow a call that actually costs the Broncos a game. They tried their damnedest this past week.

Yes, because the guys these refs replaced never cost any team a game before now have they?

Tom Brady and Jay Cutler say thanks union refs!

[errand]

The other risk is of course if one of the replacements is found out to have strong ties to a team and can be proven to have influenced the result of a game the NFL could be liable for all potential betting losses as they have not vetted the replacements nearly as well as they would a normal ref.

Really? you mean that none of the union refs have favorite teams?

[lonestar]

Really? you mean that none of the union refs have favorite teams?

I remember hear from one and all about home the refs are giving NE wins..

[errand]

Bro, just because something isn't perfect, doesn't mean it getting worse isn't as bad as everyone's making it out to be.

The NFL profits from games that must be refereed. There are specific refs that can officiate these games to the standard that has been set by both the NFL and those referees. Without these refs, the quality of the product is compromised, and the fans and players suffer.
Ergo, the absence of qualified officials drags down the quality of the product. Should those responsible for upholding a standard not share in an agreeable amount of the profits yielded by the product that they improve?

Face it, they are the best in the world, and we don't have awesome enough robots yet to replace them. The overall loss to meet their demands is such a small piece of the pie, it's silly.
Full time, or part time, they are still the standard.

their portion of the pie is called their ****ing salary (it's a business expense, like player salaries, and other various operating costs are)....the profits are what's left over when you subtract outgoing expenses from incoming revenue

Also if the product becomes substandard, the fans will stop watching, and the NFL owners will then make a business decision to hire better refs...just like they did when the plethora of bad calls made by these alleged "best in the world" brought about instant replay

[Eldorado]

I remember hear from one and all about home the refs are giving NE wins..

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tLESWCj7nLE/SRe3zW642YI/AAAAAAAAC38/_XBznZ3Cl_I/s400/engrish+222222222222222.jpg

[Flex Gunmetal]

their portion of the pie is called their ****ing salary (it's a business expense, like player salaries, and other various operating costs are)....the profits are what's left over when you subtract outgoing expenses from incoming revenue

Also if the product becomes substandard, the fans will stop watching, and the NFL owners will then make a business decision to hire better refs...just like they did when the plethora of bad calls made by these alleged "best in the world" brought about instant replay

Great, perhaps in an effort to keep this trash from continuing, they should pay them their salaries, lest the fans stop watching.
And they are humans, they will make mistakes. But still an incredibly smaller amount than the clown replacements, which is obvious to anyone who watches the game.

[Bacchus]

Asking a serious question, we're the games worse watching the scab referees or (during the strike) watching the scab players?

I was just a teenager in 1987 and I enjoyed watching the scab players. Of course I had no political idea back then but I enjoyed the games, the broncos had a pretty good scab team, in fact the MNF game between Denver and the Raiders was the death blow to the players because I believe something like 70,000 people showed up for the game. The players came back that week.

[chadta]

so how long until the replacement refs form a union?

[DHallblows]

I like how you keep using the logic "well you b****ed about the old refs so now you can't defend them".

You b****ed about Shanahan and got McD...so you can't defend Mike as a better coaching option.

You b****ed about Coyer and got Bates...so you can't defend Larry as a better coaching option.

You b****ed about Bates and got Slowik...so you can't defend Jim as a better coaching option.

You b****ed about Bly and got Goodman...so you can't defend Dre as a better CB option.

The list goes on and on.

The disparity in quality between the old and new officials kinda shows that they are probably worth additional money. And unlike the examples above, these guys can actually be resigned...

[errand]

Great, perhaps in an effort to keep this trash from continuing, they should pay them their salaries, lest the fans stop watching.
And they are humans, they will make mistakes. But still an incredibly smaller amount than the clown replacements, which is obvious to anyone who watches the game.

Evidently the issue isn't the salary....it's the funding of their retirement. Owners want to change it to 401K where refs must contribute to their retirement, and refs want owners to put up the coin for all it via pension.

[errand]

I like how you keep using the logic "well you b****ed about the old refs so now you can't defend them".

You b****ed about Shanahan and got McD...so you can't defend Mike as a better coaching option.

You b****ed about Coyer and got Bates...so you can't defend Larry as a better coaching option.

You b****ed about Bates and got Slowik...so you can't defend Jim as a better coaching option.

You b****ed about Bly and got Goodman...so you can't defend Dre as a better CB option.

The list goes on and on.

The disparity in quality between the old and new officials kinda shows that they are probably worth additional money. And unlike the examples above, these guys can actually be resigned...


Just find it funny that when these guys were officiating games the threads were littered with how awful they were....some even stated they should be fired.

My point is if they sucked, what is the big deal if they're no longer refs? These other guys might suck too...but the difference will be less the more experience they get officiating the pros, no?

[DHallblows]

Just find it funny that when these guys were officiating games the threads were littered with how awful they were....some even stated they should be fired.

My point is if they sucked, what is the big deal if they're no longer refs? These other guys might suck too...but the difference will be less the more experience they get officiating the pros, no?

Yep. So **** this this season. For the greater good!

[Broncobiv]

Check it out: the NFL sent a letter to all 32 teams to stop being so mean to the replacement officials. Here's an idea...if you want the coaches to stop berating them due to ****ty officiating, get the real refs back!!

http://www.whosay.com/AdamSchefter/content/399423?wsref=tw&code=vFT4djI
September 20, 2012: NFL reached out to the owners, general managers and head coaches of all 32 teams this week to advise them that the type of on-field behavior they witnessed last weekend will not be acceptable this weekend. Coaches such as Denver’s John Fox and defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio, along with San Francisco head coach Jim Harbaugh, were spotted berating officials in a way unacceptable to the league office. “We contacted them to remind them that everyone has a responsibility to respect the game,” NFL Executive Vice President Ray Anderson said Thursday night. “We expect it to be adhered to this weekend and forevermore.” The last time the NFL reached out to so many teams on an in-season issue it felt this important was an October weekend in 2010, when there were multiple helmet-to-helmet hits on unsuspecting receivers, including a violent hit from Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson that got him fined $50,000 for hitting Eagles wideout DeSean Jackson. After watching the coaches behavior with replacement referees last weekend, the league determined it was unacceptable and put everyone on notice. Asked what would happen if another coach berated another replacement referee this weekend, Anderson said, “If someone were to make that mistake, he would be flagged on the field and he would be hearing from our office in a very firm way.”

[DomCasual]

Check it out: the NFL sent a letter to all 32 teams to stop being so mean to the replacement officials. Here's an idea...if you want the coaches to stop berating them due to ****ty officiating, get the real refs back!!

http://www.whosay.com/AdamSchefter/content/399423?wsref=tw&code=vFT4djI

What a joke.

[DBroncos4life]

Refs have ZERO control of the players.

[go_broncos]

Check it out: the NFL sent a letter to all 32 teams to stop being so mean to the replacement officials. Here's an idea...if you want the coaches to stop berating them due to ****ty officiating, get the real refs back!!

http://www.whosay.com/AdamSchefter/content/399423?wsref=tw&code=vFT4djI

**** you Goodell...Its unfortunate that you became commissioner.

[maher_tyler]

Its more then just bad calls and not knowing all the rules. It's guys having favorite teams and playing fantasy football. Its about player safety and the flow of the game. Having these replacements is the complete opposite of what the League was saying about player safety.

[lonestar]

so how long until the replacement refs form a union?

It does not matter if they are in a union or not..

If the new REFs do get a contract you can bank money that it will not be as good as the current refs have and certainly will not have the retirement package the current ones want..

[lonestar]

**** you Goodell...Its unfortunate that you became commissioner.

are you just plain stupid?

he works for and at the command of the owners..

Goodell is not just pulling this stuff out of his ass.

please tell me you were joking..

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

it is easy spending someone else's money.. and for the most part most of the morons that have said this are huge union fans and could care less about the long term welfare of the NFL..

the money is here right now we have to spend it.. :thumbsup:

.1% of league revenue to keep the real refs, and you're stupid enough to worry about the long term health of the league if it gives in.

You. Are. Really ****ing Stupid.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Yes, because the guys these refs replaced never cost any team a game before now have they?

Tom Brady and Jay Cutler say thanks union refs!

Please name for me the most memorable missed calls from last year.

Now name for me the most memorable missed calls from last week.

It's not a question of if, but when, and not isolated incidents, but regular happenings.

Ps: 23% more penalties called on road teams by replacements. Hooray!

[Bacchus]

.1% of league revenue to keep the real refs, and you're stupid enough to worry about the long term health of the league if it gives in.

You. Are. Really ****ing Stupid.

He don't care he is just against Unions.

[lonestar]

.1% of league revenue to keep the real refs, and you're stupid enough to worry about the long term health of the league if it gives in.

You. Are. Really ****ing Stupid.



yes a percentage here and a percentage there all of a sudden they add up..

I know that NO ONE here thinks that Billionares making a return on their investment is relevant .. but morons listen to me if they had not made millions in the first place by investing wisely or inventing something or plain working hard for their money. they would not have bought these teams.

Few of them paid cash for them outright.. so they also have interest to pay for those loans as well as in Pats case interest to pay on the loan for his part of the stadium..

SO yes a small percentage now can add up to potential failure of the teams or leagues..

I know that as worker bees, few of you have the capacity to understand big business but they would not be in charge if they did not know how to do business..

so for those that are ignorant of business practices..

lets say you hopefully have a budget for your household..

it includes:
rent or house payments,
utilities
clothing
food
BEER
property taxes
interest payment on Charge cards,
other bills.

and for some entertainment..

now that is pretty basic.

If you take in more than what you make some put it in savings of some sort.

if you do not they you charge card bills get higher..

Business all do the same thing they have a budget and while it only looks like (the last thing I saw quoted ) $100,000 per team per year that my friend adds up while it is a very small percentage today the owners are not going to absorb it they will pass it along to you the ticket buyers..

if they do eat it we could be taking some where in the vicinity of a half a million after all is said and done per team..

Now I know that seems like chicken feed to a billionaire but those half a mills add up..


Now if like some you live at home with your parents well you do not have a clue.. and God Bless them for wiping your asses for as long as they have.. those in this category you will never get it..

I'm guessing with your insulting comment your one of the latter..

[lonestar]

He don't care he is just against Unions.

I thought at one time unions did good for the American worker.. since 95% of the work place issues have been rectified by federal laws.. Not so much anymore..

IMO the only thing Unions manage to do effectively is take money out of the pockets via union dues of their members..

Was union member for awhile and then was in management so can talk from both sides of the coin..

[Play2win]

Lonestar needs to get into a time machine, and go back to pre-Industrial Revolution America, that way he can be with more like-minded "folks".

[Flex Gunmetal]

yes a percentage here and a percentage there all of a sudden they add up..

I know that NO ONE here thinks that Billionares making a return on their investment is relevant .. but morons listen to me if they had not made millions in the first place by investing wisely or inventing something or plain working hard for their money. they would not have bought these teams.

Few of them paid cash for them outright.. so they also have interest to pay for those loans as well as in Pats case interest to pay on the loan for his part of the stadium..

SO yes a small percentage now can add up to potential failure of the teams or leagues..

I know that as worker bees, few of you have the capacity to understand big business but they would not be in charge if they did not know how to do business..

so for those that are ignorant of business practices..

lets say you hopefully have a budget for your household..

it includes:
rent or house payments,
utilities
clothing
food
BEER
property taxes
interest payment on Charge cards,
other bills.

and for some entertainment..

now that is pretty basic.

If you take in more than what you make some put it in savings of some sort.

if you do not they you charge card bills get higher..

Business all do the same thing they have a budget and while it only looks like (the last thing I saw quoted ) $100,000 per team per year that my friend adds up while it is a very small percentage today the owners are not going to absorb it they will pass it along to you the ticket buyers..

if they do eat it we could be taking some where in the vicinity of a half a million after all is said and done per team..

Now I know that seems like chicken feed to a billionaire but those half a mills add up..


Now if like some you live at home with your parents well you do not have a clue.. and God Bless them for wiping your asses for as long as they have.. those in this category you will never get it..

I'm guessing with your insulting comment your one of the latter..

It's .1 percent, and I would gladly pay that difference if it meant real refs.

Did you graduate high school? Your ability to compose sentences in a structurally sound fashion would make my 11 year old niece cringe.

Please go away.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

are you just plain stupid?

he works for and at the command of the owners..

Goodell is not just pulling this stuff out of his ass.

please tell me you were joking..

So it makes him less of an ass that he is an owners hand puppet? I think he looks even worse not showing any backbone and getting played like a fiddle.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Not sure if they have claimed an injury yet due to a refs inability in the first 2 weeks, but they have now. Webster is putting it out there that he broke a bone during a scuffle that a ref clearly didn't stop.

[DBroncos4life]

Not sure if they have claimed an injury yet due to a refs inability in the first 2 weeks, but they have now. Webster is putting it out there that he broke a bone during a scuffle that a ref clearly didn't stop.
Steve Smith is a bad ass dude.

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

Steve Smith is a bad ass dude.

Ha! He's an animal. Always liked his play

[lonestar]

It's .1 percent, and I would gladly pay that difference if it meant real refs.

Did you graduate high school? Your ability to compose sentences in a structurally sound fashion would make my 11 year old niece cringe.

Please go away.

oh no the gammar police..

like I give a crap about what you think..

it is the internet moron..

Not a board room that I used to set in..

[lonestar]

So it makes him less of an ass that he is an owners hand puppet? I think he looks even worse not showing any backbone and getting played like a fiddle.

DO you have boss at work or just unemployed because you have a spine....!Booya!

because most employees do what the boss asks them to do..:thumbsup:

the guy is making millions a year for his expertise on running the NFL..

how about you.. are you qualified to do so?

[Flex Gunmetal]

oh no the gammar police..

like I give a crap about what you think..

it is the internet moron..

Not a board room that I used to set in..

Yes, why present yourself as someone remotely educated or intelligent, especially when you're trying to convince people that you are right and they are morons?
It's not difficult, you're simply an idiot. Carry on.

[Bronco Boy]

Unions took er jebs.

[smtanner]

Some people have no clue why other people assume risks to start a business....

I did not start my business to hire others make them rich or provide their retirement...I risked MY life savings on me to make me rich. Now.if my employees want to go empty out their life savings and take on the same risks that I did, then I'll "share" the profits proportionately with them.

Cuz if my business fails all they lose is a $23k year job....I lose EVERYTHING.

You were making a good argument until you tried to compare the refs to your low-skill labor. $23,000? You own a taco bell or something.

Of course those who take the risk should reap the rewards. But sometimes you have to pay to produce a good product and keep those rewards.

[DBroncos4life]

Ha! He's an animal. Always liked his play

I thought he was going to go after KM when he pushed him after the fight. He doesn't back down.

[24champ]

I vote lonestar off the island.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

yes a percentage here and a percentage there all of a sudden they add up..

I know that NO ONE here thinks that Billionares making a return on their investment is relevant .. but morons listen to me if they had not made millions in the first place by investing wisely or inventing something or plain working hard for their money. they would not have bought these teams.

Few of them paid cash for them outright.. so they also have interest to pay for those loans as well as in Pats case interest to pay on the loan for his part of the stadium..

SO yes a small percentage now can add up to potential failure of the teams or leagues..

I know that as worker bees, few of you have the capacity to understand big business but they would not be in charge if they did not know how to do business..

so for those that are ignorant of business practices..

lets say you hopefully have a budget for your household..

it includes:
rent or house payments,
utilities
clothing
food
BEER
property taxes
interest payment on Charge cards,
other bills.

and for some entertainment..

now that is pretty basic.

If you take in more than what you make some put it in savings of some sort.

if you do not they you charge card bills get higher..

Business all do the same thing they have a budget and while it only looks like (the last thing I saw quoted ) $100,000 per team per year that my friend adds up while it is a very small percentage today the owners are not going to absorb it they will pass it along to you the ticket buyers..

if they do eat it we could be taking some where in the vicinity of a half a million after all is said and done per team..

Now I know that seems like chicken feed to a billionaire but those half a mills add up..


Now if like some you live at home with your parents well you do not have a clue.. and God Bless them for wiping your asses for as long as they have.. those in this category you will never get it..

I'm guessing with your insulting comment your one of the latter..

Tl;dr

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

DO you have boss at work or just unemployed because you have a spine....!Booya!

because most employees do what the boss asks them to do..:thumbsup:

the guy is making millions a year for his expertise on running the NFL..

how about you.. are you qualified to do so?

Don't worry about what I'm doing. Are we talking about OUR jobs? NO.

I'll say one thing, I have enough time to post and make money at the same time, so I must be doing something right.

[DHallblows]

oh no the gammar police..

like I give a crap about what you think..

it is the internet moron..

Not a board room that I used to set in..

If you are trying to convince people that unions hurt workers by giving your credentials as someone in management sitting in board meetings (and thus are versed in the matter), you should probably put more effort into sounding like someone who graduated high school. Otherwise your points will be lost on us due to the fact we think you a fool.

[maher_tyler]

Q: With all of the replacement ref controversies (e.g. blatantly missed calls, Saints Homer Ref and Fantasy Football Ref, to name a few) destroying the integrity of the game, what team's fan base do you think is the odds on favorite for going crazy and starting a riot (a la Lakers fans after winning a championship) when a missed/questionable call costs their team the game? Not a gambling man, but I'd put my money on Raiders or Eagles fans. Thoughts?
—Miguel, Burbank, CA

SG: Thanks for the unprovoked potshot at Lakers fans and thanks for a really good question. I mulled it over for about 15 minutes and changed my answer multiple times before realizing that it was nearly impossible to pick between Eagles fans and Raiders fans — it's like picking sides in the Lindsay Lohan–Amanda Bynes Career Destruction contest. They're both the odds-on favorites, with Baltimore fans trailing slightly behind. (FYI: Those were the three fan bases mentioned in a reader's "Who would win a Hunger Games–type battle between Raiders fans, Eagles fans and Ravens fans?" mailbag question last April and nobody challenged those three picks.) So I'd have the final odds looking like this: Raiders (-130), Eagles (even), Ravens (+150), The Field (+250).

Here's the catch: I see Eagles fans taking it personally that they weren't favored, increasing their odds of a referee riot because they'd be in "Nobody Believes in Us!" mode. So I wouldn't favor the Eagles, but for that same reason, I'd wager on the Eagles. Either way, you know Roger Goodell has lost control of both his marbles and the 2012 NFL season when fans are seriously debating things like "Which fan base is going to riot over the referees first?" and "How easy would it be to bribe a replacement ref and swing a game?" Stay classy, Roger.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8407097/the-mailbag#8211referee-armageddon

Exactly our thoughts. We aren't the only ones pissed about the terrible calls thus far...

[errand]

Please name for me the most memorable missed calls from last year.

Now name for me the most memorable missed calls from last week.

It's not a question of if, but when, and not isolated incidents, but regular happenings.

Ps: 23% more penalties called on road teams by replacements. Hooray!
Well good thing we're at home this week then, huh?

You're gonna tell me that ANY missed call so far this season is equal to the "no tuck" rule call, or Ed Hoculi ****ing up a fumble calling it incomplete, or giving the jets a TD when the ball didn't cross the plane but Vinny's head did? Wow....

[Jetmeck]

yes a percentage here and a percentage there all of a sudden they add up..

I know that NO ONE here thinks that Billionares making a return on their investment is relevant .. but morons listen to me if they had not made millions in the first place by investing wisely or inventing something or plain working hard for their money. they would not have bought these teams.

Few of them paid cash for them outright.. so they also have interest to pay for those loans as well as in Pats case interest to pay on the loan for his part of the stadium..

SO yes a small percentage now can add up to potential failure of the teams or leagues..

I know that as worker bees, few of you have the capacity to understand big business but they would not be in charge if they did not know how to do business..

so for those that are ignorant of business practices..

lets say you hopefully have a budget for your household..

it includes:
rent or house payments,
utilities
clothing
food
BEER
property taxes
interest payment on Charge cards,
other bills.

and for some entertainment..

now that is pretty basic.

If you take in more than what you make some put it in savings of some sort.

if you do not they you charge card bills get higher..

Business all do the same thing they have a budget and while it only looks like (the last thing I saw quoted ) $100,000 per team per year that my friend adds up while it is a very small percentage today the owners are not going to absorb it they will pass it along to you the ticket buyers..

if they do eat it we could be taking some where in the vicinity of a half a million after all is said and done per team..

Now I know that seems like chicken feed to a billionaire but those half a mills add up..


Now if like some you live at home with your parents well you do not have a clue.. and God Bless them for wiping your asses for as long as they have.. those in this category you will never get it..

I'm guessing with your insulting comment your one of the latter..



Didn't READ your bs comments but the jest of it is the filthy rich nfl is gonna go broke if they share some of that pile of dough with the better officials.

INTEGRITY OF THE GAME BUT ONLY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING FOR IT.
Officials are an integral part of the game and we need the best they have on the field so they as few mistakes as possible.


You are a loser union and labor hating ass clown.

Hate the Broncos and bitch about everything Broncos.

[Jetmeck]

Well good thing we're at home this week then, huh?

You're gonna tell me that ANY missed call so far this season is equal to the "no tuck" rule call, or Ed Hoculi ****ing up a fumble calling it incomplete, or giving the jets a TD when the ball didn't cross the plane but Vinny's head did? Wow....

you know the point he was making....the regular guys made a hell of a lot less mistaken calls or no calls.......come on

[Jetmeck]

it is easy spending someone else's money.. and for the most part most of the morons that have said this are huge union fans and could care less about the long term welfare of the NFL..

the money is here right now we have to spend it.. :thumbsup:

you and errand..................lol

Least romney says stupid **** behind what he thought was closed doors.......................you ass clowns say it for everyone to hear.

Labor is **** in your world..............

Officials are part of the owner's nfl world and need a decent wage and benefit package and yes they helped make millions for owners so they should get just a little of that back............

What part of this do you not understand you greedy labor hating idiot. ?

Your wrong and dozens here have told you so but keep running you pie hole...................

[Jetmeck]

Wow.

"I'm just fine watching ****ty football.. just don't give in to those refs and their union because rabble rabble SOSHULIZM!" ****ing retards.

**** YOU CLOWNS..................hope the same thing comes your way some day.

Labor deserves a piece of the pie they helped create. period


Maybe you ass clowns will get replaced or outsourced some day........................your anti labor takes are unreal.

[Jetmeck]

Yes, you are.

And I keep watching in the misguided hope that the league wasn't completely full of **** when they tell us these moron scab refs will improve. I ain't seeing it. And 4+ hours for a football game is ludicrous.

We'll see what happens when they blow a call that actually costs the Broncos a game. They tried their damnedest this past week.

shut up...............you don't have the right to take both sides of this....either we need the beter refs or we don't.

[DBroncos4life]

**** YOU CLOWNS..................hope the same thing comes your way some day.

Labor deserves a piece of the pie they helped create. period


Maybe you ass clowns will get replaced or outsourced some day........................your anti labor takes are unreal.

Ha! You pick up sarcasm really well :thumbsup:

[Jetmeck]

Perhaps not.....but teams have folded in the past...whole leagues have folded in the past as well.

the point was it's not the refs money so the owners, both majority and minority (and the shareholders in GB) don't have to "share" it with anyone else.

Do you "share" your net income with your neighbors or anyone else that isn't a part of your family?


what part of the refs help the nfl make a boat load of money do you not understand..............moron of the month here.

what part of these replacements are hurting the game do you not understand................????????????????


NFL is filthy rich and yes asshole sharing a small bit of it is just fine since they are NOT just randomly giving it to anyone but instead they are giving it to people who helped make all that money.

GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN TO US ALL YOUR GReEDY RICH EXPLANATION
OF HOW ONLY THE OWNERS DESERVE ANYTHING......**** YOU...YOU ARE CLUELESS................LONESTAR INCLUDED...........

YOUR POSITION IS DEFENSELESS...................

[Jetmeck]

Ha! You pick up sarcasm really well :thumbsup:

SORRY TO ANYONE who was being sarcastic but this wrong headed thinking that these better officials shouldn't get a little better pay when players salaries went up and so has the NFL's profits.

To say the little guy who is part of the equation should not get a part of the prosperity is assine and indefensible.

[DBroncos4life]

SORRY TO ANYONE who was being sarcastic but this wrong headed thinking that these better officials shouldn't get a little better pay when players salaries went up and so has the NFL's profits.

To say the little guy who is part of the equation should not get a part of the prosperity is assine and indefensible.

TEKO is the only one you called out wrong.

[errand]

you know the point he was making....the regular guys made a hell of a lot less mistaken calls or no calls.......come on

Personally, I don't give a crap...if the owners want to sign a labor agreement to pay for the refs retirement or not, or if the refs sign it or not. The games will go on regardless, and I'll be happy even if the new refs blow a few more calls than their predecessors did....because my team is still playing games.

My point is the old refs made some huge blunders...and were constantly bitched about in damn near every ****ing game thread , and while these new guys are lacking in their ability to consistently call the games, I still find it laughable that the old ones are held up as highly skilled professionals when they have made some historic blunders, are featured in numerous blooper reels, **** up the ****ing coin toss (remember when they did that?) etc...etc.

Quite frankly, other than the Broncos game lasting an hour longer, if you didn't know the old refs weren't out there, the game thread would have still been filled with "refs ****ing suck!" damn near every other post...like they were prior to this season.

[errand]

what part of the refs help the nfl make a boat load of money do you not understand..............moron of the month here.

the refs don't generate any income for the NFL, the players on the other hand do...they are a needed expense. Nobody goes to a game to see Ed Hochuli call a fumble an incomplete pass...and you call someone a moron?

what part of these replacements are hurting the game do you not understand................????????????????

They may be inconsistent, but hurting the game? The games are still being played...the players are still playing...the fans are still packing the stadiums, and buying the concessions, parking spots, and foam fingers, hats, etc......the replacement refs might give fans and coaches something to bitch about...but they're not hurting the business


NFL is filthy rich and yes a-hole sharing a small bit of it is just fine since they are NOT just randomly giving it to anyone but instead they are giving it to people who helped make all that money.

GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN TO US ALL YOUR GReEDY RICH EXPLANATION
OF HOW ONLY THE OWNERS DESERVE ANYTHING......**** YOU...YOU ARE CLUELESS................LONESTAR INCLUDED...........

YOUR POSITION IS DEFENSELESS...................

again dumbass.... the refs generate no income for the NFL. I've not met one ****ing fan that said "Gee I hope Ed Hochuli is calling our game today..." because the only way you know a ref's name is when they **** up a call.....

And the owners deserve all the money they earn..because as I pointed out...they assume all the risks.



in bold...

[errand]

Officials are part of the owner's nfl world and need a decent wage and benefit package and yes they helped make millions for owners so they should get just a little of that back............

.

Explain this one to me...how did the refs make the owners millions?

No fan goes to the games, buys a team shirt, hat, etc....follows or has a trading card or asks for an autograph from a ****ing ref. The only time you hear a refs name during the game is when they **** up....

Hochuli (Cutler fumble is incomplete pass), Coleman (Tuck rule), Luckett (Suffers from CHS "Can't hear ****" on coin tosses and also doesn't know the difference between a white NYJ helmet and a brown football and was the ref who collided with a wide open Joe Horn denying the Saints a sure TD), McAulay (the review buzzer went off prior to previous snap ), Leavy (two ****ed up calls in SBXL that he admits hurt the Seahawks)

Not one fan would've known who they were except when they made historic blunders....

Now care to list how much money these refs COST those NFL teams with their game changing and NFL championship game changing screw ups? How much $$$ is a SB title worth to a team like Seattle that never won one before?

I guarantee it's a lot more money than they brought in...which by the way is zilch.

[Blueflame]

Well good thing we're at home this week then, huh?

You're gonna tell me that ANY missed call so far this season is equal to the "no tuck" rule call, or Ed Hoculi ****ing up a fumble calling it incomplete, or giving the jets a TD when the ball didn't cross the plane but Vinny's head did? Wow....

He asked for the most memorable bad calls from last year (not of the past 15 years), Errand. The "tuck rule" call was made in 2001; the "Hochuli" call was in 2008 and the "mistaking a white helmet for a brown football" call was in 1998. None of them is relevant to the question he asked. Nor does any horrendously bad call made in the past... justify bad calls being made now. Every bad call damages the credibility of the sport. IMHO.

[lonestar]

If you are trying to convince people that unions hurt workers by giving your credentials as someone in management sitting in board meetings (and thus are versed in the matter), you should probably put more effort into sounding like someone who graduated high school. Otherwise your points will be lost on us due to the fact we think you a fool.

once again thanks for the grammar police for showing up..

Hey I'm not going to take the time to worry about whether you or anyone else likes the sentence structure of my posts..

I share my thought fast and dirty and if you care to listen fine, if not I could give a rats ass..

I'm perfectly happy with the life I have led and do not lose a seconds sleep on whether some of the morons on a Football board get my posts or not..

I gave up trying to please the masses years ago and now just tell it like it is..

[lonestar]

Didn't READ your bs comments but the jest of it is the filthy rich nfl is gonna go broke if they share some of that pile of dough with the better officials.

INTEGRITY OF THE GAME BUT ONLY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING FOR IT.
Officials are an integral part of the game and we need the best they have on the field so they as few mistakes as possible.


You are a loser union and labor hating ass clown.

Hate the Broncos and b**** about everything Broncos.

wow got your attention didn't I..

as for hating the Broncos you obviously do not have a clue on my investment with the broncos.

I just do not drink the coolaide some of you do..

BTW good luck with that pension, its looking poorer all the time the judge just nuked the pilots the other contracts may be next..

That is if AA is even in business next year..

[lonestar]

in bold...
:thumbsup:
way above his head save your breath..

[TomServo]

the replacements havent F-uped any worse then the regs have. the whole "lets look under the hood" is just a pretence for more beer and car selling. the NHL doesnt give a crap about the official on the ice, the eye in the sky looks at the call in the central room and Boom! sometimes before the "lets sell more beer" commercial- the call is made -Play on.
one of the first replays- they F-D it up. Elway passed backwards for a long gain or Td- i cant recall, and they totally Fu cked up the call. on mondaY NIGHT FOOTBALL.

[maher_tyler]

The fact everyone brings up the real refs being just as bad are not smart or at least not watching the games. The real refs made a handful of bad calls all season. It's not very often the real refs were the deciding factor in a game. These replacement are making bad TERRIBLE calls every week in every game. It's not even compareable!

[errand]

He asked for the most memorable bad calls from last year (not of the past 15 years), Errand. The "tuck rule" call was made in 2001; the "Hochuli" call was in 2008 and the "mistaking a white helmet for a brown football" call was in 1998. None of them is relevant to the question he asked. Nor does any horrendously bad call made in the past... justify bad calls being made now. Every bad call damages the credibility of the sport. IMHO.


So, because they didn't cost anyone a game last year, we can excuse the ones that they blew in previous years...OK, whatever.

for those who think the replacement refs are doing a truly suck ass job...here are some stats to ponder....first two weeks of 2012 compared to first two weeks of 2011

[] The games are lasting longer, but only a mere 6 minutes on average...but all anyone wants to b**** about is the Broncos-Falcons game....

[] The average number of penalties per game is down from 15.2 to 14.7 ...this doesn't necessarily mean the games are better officiated, but it also doesn't mean they aren't. It does mean that the yellow flags aren't flying around at a record pace

[] On player safety calls, such as roughing the passer; unnecessary roughness, including hitting defenseless players; and, face-mask or horse-collar violations, the calls are nearly even: 75 this year, 74 last.

[] Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 out of 62 (37%) this season as opposed to 21 of 46 (46%) last season. Which means the replacement refs are getting the original calls correct more often

[] Defensive pass interference and illegal contact penalties are up, but only from 48 to 51, surprising because of the bitching on the airwaves and message boards about the lack of such calls.

[] Offensive players believe the replacements are concentrating on pass interference penalties against them, not against defensive backs. The numbers: six such calls this season to nine through two weeks last year.


food for thought....

[rugbythug]

what part of the refs help the nfl make a boat load of money do you not understand..............moron of the month here.

what part of these replacements are hurting the game do you not understand................????????????????


NFL is filthy rich and yes a-hole sharing a small bit of it is just fine since they are NOT just randomly giving it to anyone but instead they are giving it to people who helped make all that money.

GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN TO US ALL YOUR GReEDY RICH EXPLANATION
OF HOW ONLY THE OWNERS DESERVE ANYTHING......**** YOU...YOU ARE CLUELESS................LONESTAR INCLUDED...........

YOUR POSITION IS DEFENSELESS...................

Umm Currently they are not helping at all. So far the NFL has not lost any money. If I can do with out you why should I pay you? Its the way it works.

Oh and here.........................................
SOYOUCANUNDERSTAND!!!

[rugbythug]

Does Jetmeck hate me because I am rich or white?

[errand]

Does Jetmeck hate me because I am rich or white?

Probably both....

What he doesn't realize is these replacement refs aren't hurting the business....as the games are still being played, still selling out (except in SD, but you get the idea), record ratings on TV, sales of NFL merchandise is up too...and the stats I posted show that these refs aren't doing any worse than the guys they replaced.

[RhymesayersDU]

I feel like when he watches NFL games, Jetmeck wears a referee shirt. One question -- does Nike make those too? Do they have replica and authentic like player jerseys?

Seriously, I've never seen as big of a fan of refs than in this thread. Some of the comments are laughable.

[lonestar]

So, because they didn't cost anyone a game last year, we can excuse the ones that they blew in previous years...OK, whatever.

for those who think the replacement refs are doing a truly suck ass job...here are some stats to ponder....first two weeks of 2012 compared to first two weeks of 2011

[] The games are lasting longer, but only a mere 6 minutes on average...but all anyone wants to b**** about is the Broncos-Falcons game....

[] The average number of penalties per game is down from 15.2 to 14.7 ...this doesn't necessarily mean the games are better officiated, but it also doesn't mean they aren't. It does mean that the yellow flags aren't flying around at a record pace

[] On player safety calls, such as roughing the passer; unnecessary roughness, including hitting defenseless players; and, face-mask or horse-collar violations, the calls are nearly even: 75 this year, 74 last.

[] Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 out of 62 (37%) this season as opposed to 21 of 46 (46%) last season. Which means the replacement refs are getting the original calls correct more often

[] Defensive pass interference and illegal contact penalties are up, but only from 48 to 51, surprising because of the b****ing on the airwaves and message boards about the lack of such calls.

[] Offensive players believe the replacements are concentrating on pass interference penalties against them, not against defensive backs. The numbers: six such calls this season to nine through two weeks last year.


food for thought....

:thumbs:

[lonestar]

I feel like when he watches NFL games, Jetmeck wears a referee shirt. One question -- does Nike make those too? Do they have replica and authentic like player jerseys?

Seriously, I've never seen as big of a fan of refs than in this thread. Some of the comments are laughable.

he is just a union moron that hates anyone with more money than he/she does..

Obvious from his posts..

Wonder what he would be doing if he did not have a union to bat for him? probably nothing.. setting on unemployment until he could find another minimum wage job..

[RhymesayersDU]

he is just a union moron that hates anyone with more money than he/she does..

Obvious from his posts..

Wonder what he would be doing if he did not have a union to bat for him? probably nothing.. setting on unemployment until he could find another minimum wage job..

Maybe... Or he just really thinks the refs are important. Some of his comments have been head scratchers:

Officials are an integral part of the game and we need the best they have on the field so they as few mistakes as possible.


Labor deserves a piece of the pie they helped create. period


what part of the refs help the nfl make a boat load of money do you not understand.

I feel like these comments should be made about the players, not the referees. Then I'd think he had a point.

I guess what I find interesting is that this thread is being framed as a political thread, but I don't think it is. I think the actual premise is how much do we as fans value the referees? Because that's where the divide is. It's not a divide over unions. Some of us don't care about the officials one way or the other, some of us do.

[Blueflame]

So, because they didn't cost anyone a game last year, we can excuse the ones that they blew in previous years...OK, whatever.

for those who think the replacement refs are doing a truly suck ass job...here are some stats to ponder....first two weeks of 2012 compared to first two weeks of 2011

[] The games are lasting longer, but only a mere 6 minutes on average...but all anyone wants to b**** about is the Broncos-Falcons game....

[] The average number of penalties per game is down from 15.2 to 14.7 ...this doesn't necessarily mean the games are better officiated, but it also doesn't mean they aren't. It does mean that the yellow flags aren't flying around at a record pace

[] On player safety calls, such as roughing the passer; unnecessary roughness, including hitting defenseless players; and, face-mask or horse-collar violations, the calls are nearly even: 75 this year, 74 last.

[] Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 out of 62 (37%) this season as opposed to 21 of 46 (46%) last season. Which means the replacement refs are getting the original calls correct more often

[] Defensive pass interference and illegal contact penalties are up, but only from 48 to 51, surprising because of the b****ing on the airwaves and message boards about the lack of such calls.

[] Offensive players believe the replacements are concentrating on pass interference penalties against them, not against defensive backs. The numbers: six such calls this season to nine through two weeks last year.


food for thought....

You have to expect to be called on it when you're asked about missed/bad calls from last year... and can cite none; instead replying with 3 examples ranging from 4-14 years ago. Phil Luckett's crew hasn't been working NFL games for years.

The sad fact is that the replacement referees are horrible and a detriment to the integrity of the sport.

[That One Guy]

Maybe... Or he just really thinks the refs are important. Some of his comments have been head scratchers:









I feel like these comments should be made about the players, not the referees. Then I'd think he had a point.

I guess what I find interesting is that this thread is being framed as a political thread, but I don't think it is. I think the actual premise is how much do we as fans value the referees? Because that's where the divide is. It's not a divide over unions. Some of us don't care about the officials one way or the other, some of us do.

This is a cookie-cutter union vs labor thread in an NFL mask. Those most passionate (Lonestar and Jetmeck, for example) can be found at any time on the WRP blindly hating or supporting unions. They're just arguing the points here under the guise of football talk. The owners should form an owners union so their heads both explode.

[RhymesayersDU]

This is a cookie-cutter union vs labor thread in an NFL mask. Those most passionate (Lonestar and Jetmeck, for example) can be found at any time on the WRP blindly hating or supporting unions. They're just arguing the points here under the guise of football talk. The owners should form an owners union so their heads both explode.

So you're saying he doesn't actually give a **** about the refs, just about pushing his agenda. Interesting.

What a maroon.

[lonestar]

This is a cookie-cutter union vs labor thread in an NFL mask. Those most passionate (Lonestar and Jetmeck, for example) can be found at any time on the WRP blindly hating or supporting unions. They're just arguing the points here under the guise of football talk. The owners should form an owners union so their heads both explode.

the owners do have a union it is called the NFL..

[cutthemdown]

They aren't calling holding and WR are getting away with pushing off a lot. They seem to only call offsides, encroachment, blatant pass interference and any late or helmet to helmet hits.

The olines are holding like crazy in almost every game i watch. I thought Denver got away with 2 holds on Abrahm also last week. Just horrid officiating.

[lonestar]

Maybe... Or he just really thinks the refs are important. Some of his comments have been head scratchers:

I feel like these comments should be made about the players, not the referees. Then I'd think he had a point.

I guess what I find interesting is that this thread is being framed as a political thread, but I don't think it is. I think the actual premise is how much do we as fans value the referees? Because that's where the divide is. It's not a divide over unions. Some of us don't care about the officials one way or the other, some of us do.

I did not see this till someone replied to it..

I think your pretty much on point with this..

IMO Officials should be transparent on the field a well played game between to good teams should pretty much be penalty free and therefore probably not notice them excpet for timeouts .. end of game and period whistles..

[Bacchus]

The fact everyone brings up the real refs being just as bad are not smart or at least not watching the games. The real refs made a handful of bad calls all season. It's not very often the real refs were the deciding factor in a game. These replacement are making bad TERRIBLE calls every week in every game. It's not even compareable!

Its not only the bad calls they are making its the calls they are not making. Because of the replacement refs. League wide Offensive Lineman are holding even more and they simply are not being called. It is really bad.

[lonestar]

They aren't calling holding and WR are getting away with pushing off a lot. They seem to only call offsides, encroachment, blatant pass interference and any late or helmet to helmet hits.

The olines are holding like crazy in almost every game i watch. I thought Denver got away with 2 holds on Abrahm also last week. Just horrid officiating.

yet Originally Posted by errand View Post
So, because they didn't cost anyone a game last year, we can excuse the ones that they blew in previous years...OK, whatever.

for those who think the replacement refs are doing a truly suck ass job...here are some stats to ponder....first two weeks of 2012 compared to first two weeks of 2011

[] The games are lasting longer, but only a mere 6 minutes on average...but all anyone wants to b**** about is the Broncos-Falcons game....

[] The average number of penalties per game is down from 15.2 to 14.7 ...this doesn't necessarily mean the games are better officiated, but it also doesn't mean they aren't. It does mean that the yellow flags aren't flying around at a record pace

[] On player safety calls, such as roughing the passer; unnecessary roughness, including hitting defenseless players; and, face-mask or horse-collar violations, the calls are nearly even: 75 this year, 74 last.

[] Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 out of 62 (37%) this season as opposed to 21 of 46 (46%) last season. Which means the replacement refs are getting the original calls correct more often

[] Defensive pass interference and illegal contact penalties are up, but only from 48 to 51, surprising because of the b****ing on the airwaves and message boards about the lack of such calls.

[] Offensive players believe the replacements are concentrating on pass interference penalties against them, not against defensive backs. The numbers: six such calls this season to nine through two weeks last year.


food for thought.... is indeed food for thought..

[That One Guy]

yet is indeed food for thought..

That post by errand was a garbage writeup (I know the data wasn't his so not calling him personally out, just the data). Statistics can't quantify the garbage ref'ing we've had this year. If they miss one PI then call it erroneously on the next, the statistics might reflect that they've called an appropriate number of PIs but anyone watching will know they're blind and incompetent.

[RhymesayersDU]

Don't like the current refs?

http://i.imgur.com/2ew0T.gif

[lonestar]

That post by errand was a garbage writeup (I know the data wasn't his so not calling him personally out, just the data). Statistics can't quantify the garbage ref'ing we've had this year. If they miss one PI then call it erroneously on the next, the statistics might reflect that they've called an appropriate number of PIs but anyone watching will know they're blind and incompetent.

OK I can understand what your saying..

but then it has been said that Holding can be called on every play they run..

have the refs blown some calls absolutely

did the old refs blow calls sure thing..

other than losing control of games and I've seen that a couple of times..

that is caused by undisciplined play of a few morons.. IMO that will end the minute some one gets ejected.. all of a sudden the players will gain some healthy respect for them.. or maybe fear,.. which they should..

which is why the NFL sent warnings out to cool it.. big bucks are going to be paid this coming week if the coaches do not get the players under control..

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Well good thing we're at home this week then, huh?

You're gonna tell me that ANY missed call so far this season is equal to the "no tuck" rule call, or Ed Hoculi ****ing up a fumble calling it incomplete, or giving the jets a TD when the ball didn't cross the plane but Vinny's head did? Wow....

So you name for me three bad missed calls... From the past decade of football.

SMH.

[That One Guy]

OK I can understand what your saying..

but then it has been said that Holding can be called on every play they run..

have the refs blown some calls absolutely

did the old refs blow calls sure thing..

other than losing control of games and I've seen that a couple of times..

that is caused by undisciplined play of a few morons.. IMO that will end the minute some one gets ejected.. all of a sudden the players will gain some healthy respect for them.. or maybe fear,.. which they should..

which is why the NFL sent warnings out to cool it.. big bucks are going to be paid this coming week if the coaches do not get the players under control..

They do definitely need to get the games under control. PFT made a good point on the game length thing as while the average may not be up dramatically, 2 or 3 games in particular have been obscenely long. That's arguably worse than 6 minutes added to each game individually. It's significantly more noticeable when it happens all at once as in our game.

And as for the holding, we've argued about that for years with many conspiracy theories showing their face. The reality is that ideally all holding would be called and players would learn to play without holding. The fact that the old refs might have only called holding under x circumstances and the new refs call holding sometimes under x circumstances and sometimes y just points to the fact that the statistics are, again, immaterial as long as it's being called consistently. Consistency>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Number of calls

[errand]

The sad fact is that the replacement referees are horrible and a detriment to the integrity of the sport.

The stats comparing the first two weeks of 2012 to first two weeks of 2011 says that the difference is negligible

[] The games are lasting longer, but only a mere 6 minutes on average...but all anyone wants to b**** about is the Broncos-Falcons game....

[] The average number of penalties per game is down from 15.2 to 14.7 ...this doesn't necessarily mean the games are better officiated, but it also doesn't mean they aren't. It does mean that the yellow flags aren't flying around at a record pace

[] On player safety calls, such as roughing the passer; unnecessary roughness, including hitting defenseless players; and, face-mask or horse-collar violations, the calls are nearly even: 75 this year, 74 last.

[] Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 out of 62 (37%) this season as opposed to 21 of 46 (46%) last season. Which means the replacement refs are getting the original calls correct more often

[] Defensive pass interference and illegal contact penalties are up, but only from 48 to 51, surprising because of the b****ing on the airwaves and message boards about the lack of such calls.

[] Offensive players believe the replacements are concentrating on pass interference penalties against them, not against defensive backs. The numbers: six such calls this season to nine through two weeks last year.

But feel free to ignore them.....

[errand]

So you name for me three bad missed calls... From the past decade of football.

SMH.

So, we can't bring up their entire body of work? I could bring tons of instances where the old refs looked just as inept as you claim the new refs are. Like that Titans/Steelers game where one ref says Steelers recovered ball, and the other guy said Titans did....the numerous games where the refs didn't duck on passes across the middle and caused an incomplete....just decided to point out their biggest gaffes...and trust me there are more than 3.

I left off the Bert Emmanuel reception that they ruled incomplete possibly costing the Buccaneers a SB appearance in a 13-7 playoff loss to Rams...what about those 3 blocks in the back on Dante Hall's 92 yard return that cost us a game? This site was going ballistic over that call alone.

Ed Hochuli has been a ref for quite some time now....so have the other guys. these replacement refs don't have the experience calling the NFL game

The point which seemed to elude you is that the difference between the old refs, and these replacement guys is negligible....especially when you factor in the length of officiating at the NFL level. Guys like joe replacement making a blunder is understandable as he's been an NFL ref all of what, 6 weeks?

But when veteran NFL refs make bigger blunders(several that have cost teams PLAYOFF games, and one SB)......that not only brought the advent of instant replay, but it also being expanded to all scoring plays and can't even get coin tosses right, or take minutes to explain a freaking penalty?

Point is the old refs made just as many if not more (and bigger) blunders as the guys that are currently calling the games today. All this b****ing about the new guys is just typical internet and media over reaction

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

So, we can't bring up their entire body of work? I could bring tons of instances where the old refs looked just as inept as you claim the new refs are. Like that Titans/Steelers game where one ref says Steelers recovered ball, and the other guy said Titans did....the numerous games where the refs didn't duck on passes across the middle and caused an incomplete....just decided to point out their biggest gaffes...and trust me there are more than 3. I left off the Bert Emmanuel reception that they ruled incomplete possibly costing the Buccaneers a SB appearance in a 13-7 playoff loss to
Rams

Ed Hochuli has been a ref for quite some time now....so have the other guys. these replacement refs don't have the experience calling the NFL game

The point which seemed to elude you is that the difference between the old refs, and these replacement guys is negligible....especially when you factor in the length of officiating at the NFL level. Guys like joe replacement making a blunder is understandable as he's been a ref all of what, 6 weeks?

But when veteran NFL refs make bigger blunders(several that have cost teams PLAYOFF games, and one SB)......that not only brought the advent of instant replay, but it also being expanded to all scoring plays and can't even get coin tosses right, or take minutes to explain a freaking penalty?

Point is the old refs made just as many if not more (and bigger) blunders as the guys that are currently calling the games today. All this b****ing about the new guys is just typical internet and media over reaction

You're welcome to bring up the entire body of work.

HowEVER, we're talking about TWO WEEKS of missed calls, where there were a **** ton in each and every game, and TEN YEARS of missed calls, where there was MAYBE one egregious miss per week across the entire league.

You're clueless.

[errand]

Its not only the bad calls they are making its the calls they are not making. Because of the replacement refs. League wide Offensive Lineman are holding even more and they simply are not being called. It is really bad.

And yet how many fans have constantly bitched about "letting the players play"?

how many times over these past few seasons have we seen Champ or a Broncos DB make a great play, only to be flagged for PI on a questionable call?

Again read the stats posted comparing the old with the new after two weeks....not much of a difference.

[uplink]

We just need to start a petition or protest. Those always work.

Fans need to organize a protest week where its scheduled that fans just will not watch any of the games that week. probably won't get enough protesters to make a difference but it would send a message.

[errand]

You're welcome to bring up the entire body of work.

HowEVER, we're talking about TWO WEEKS of missed calls, where there were a **** ton in each and every game, and TEN YEARS of missed calls, where there was MAYBE one egregious miss per week across the entire league.

You're clueless.

you want to talk about blown calls? This is one statistic of instant replays comparing the first TWO weeks of THIS season vs. first TWO weeks of LAST season....

[] Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 out of 62 (37%) this season as opposed to 21 of 46 (46%) last season. Which means the replacement refs are getting the original calls correct more often

Instant replay had overturned the old refs more in the first two weeks of last season than they have the first two weeks of this season.....but feel free to ignore that fact. And while I think they did miss the fumble recovery vs Falcons, the bottom line is the replacement refs were correct on 63% of their calls that were challenged or reviewed these first two weeks, vs. the old refs in first two weeks of 2011 (54%)

[DivineLegion]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/nalen-on-the-nfls-replacement-refs-i-think-theyre-awesome/


Tom Nalen thinks they are great! In the interview Tom said that he wished he were on the field right now, because they are letting O-lineman get away with holding on almost every play. Take it from the mouth of a Bronco great.

[errand]

Fans need to organize a protest week where its scheduled that fans just will not watch any of the games that week. probably won't get enough protesters to make a difference but it would send a message.

So what would you guys have said if the NFL stated before the first preseason game, that because the refs union and the NFL couldn't agree on a new CBA, that they were going to suspend the games until an agreement could be reached...afterall, the "integrity of the game" was at stake, and players could be injured, etc.?

I'm willing to bet that the majority of you would have bitched, kicked and screamed about how stupid that would have been, just give me my Broncos football!

When you're negotiating you need leverage.......you guys keep forgetting the NFL has used replacement players before...and Mile High Stadium was practically sold out to watch Joe Dudek, and Ken Karcher beat the Raiders on MNF.

Using replacement players and continuing the game was the NFL's leverage in '87...and it'll be their leverage in this labor battle. The NFL did us all a favor by continuing the game despite a labor dispute with the refs....unless of course, you're not gonna watch the Broncos play today.

[errand]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/nalen-on-the-nfls-replacement-refs-i-think-theyre-awesome/


Tom Nalen thinks they are great! In the interview Tom said that he wished he were on the field right now, because they are letting O-lineman get away with holding on almost every play. Take it from the mouth of a Bronco great.

...how many times have we've been told that there is holding on every play in the NFL....it's just not always called.

[DivineLegion]

I think one of the biggest problems is game management, but an even bigger problem is players taking advantage. In the same interview above (video), Nails said guys will see what the refs are not calling and begin to take advantage. The pick play at the end of the Falcons game is a perfect example. The Broncos got away with a pick earlier in the game, and Falcons came back and used it against the Broncos when it mattered most. Those type of opportunistic nuances change the course of games in fractions, and never show up in a stay sheet. There are a lot of intangible factors that play into football as well, and they are also incalculable. Sticking with the Falcons game, the PI call against Carter was a horrible call, and allowed a touchdown drive to continue. The score at that point was 10-0 I believe, so a stop by the Broncos defense would have been monumental at that point. Your talking about a 10-14 point difference if the Broncos score on the ensuing drive. That's where these officials are effecting the game the most. This is also the highest scoring first two weeks of any NFL season, so now that every touchdown is being reviewed the number of reviews should have increased, and accuracy is a non factor when there is no discriminate guideline.

[errand]

That post by errand was a garbage writeup (I know the data wasn't his so not calling him personally out, just the data). Statistics can't quantify the garbage ref'ing we've had this year. If they miss one PI then call it erroneously on the next, the statistics might reflect that they've called an appropriate number of PIs but anyone watching will know they're blind and incompetent.

It was a study done by CBS sports.....I don't think it's garbage, but feel free to disagree.

and while I agree stats don't tell the whole story, and nobody is saying these new refs don't need to take control of the game, the point is that the refs from 2011 had practically the same stats after two weeks as the guys in 2012 do.

Like I said, just food for thought....

[DivineLegion]

...how many times have we've been told that there is holding on every play in the NFL....it's just not always called.

Why would Tom Nalen say he would prefer these refs because he could get away with holding more often? This is a simple comparative deduction.

[errand]

Why would Tom Nalen say he would prefer these refs because he could get away with holding more often? This is a simple comparative deduction.

I'm sure he's being sarcastic....and I agree these new guys aren't calling everything they could or should...but neither did the old guys. and Tom Nalen (like every O-lineman in NFL history) got away with holding and cut blocking over the course of his entire career.....and if he says otherwise, he's lying. sometimes he got caught, other times he didn't...it happens regardless of WHO the refs are.

[DivineLegion]

I'm sure he's being sarcastic....and I agree these new guys aren't calling everything they could or should...but neither did the old guys. and Tom Nalen (like every O-lineman in NFL history) got away with holding and cut blocking over the course of his entire career.....and if he says otherwise, he's lying. sometimes he got caught, other times he didn't...it happens regardless of WHO the refs are.

Are you going to the Panthers Broncos game in November?

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

you want to talk about blown calls? This is one statistic of instant replays comparing the first TWO weeks of THIS season vs. first TWO weeks of LAST season....

[] Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 out of 62 (37%) this season as opposed to 21 of 46 (46%) last season. Which means the replacement refs are getting the original calls correct more often

Instant replay had overturned the old refs more in the first two weeks of last season than they have the first two weeks of this season.....but feel free to ignore that fact. And while I think they did miss the fumble recovery vs Falcons, the bottom line is the replacement refs were correct on 63% of their calls that were challenged or reviewed these first two weeks, vs. the old refs in first two weeks of 2011 (54%)

You do realize that every scoring play has an automatic review, yes? And since most scoring plays are fairly obvious (except, apparently, when D-Thomas catches a ball with two feet in RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ****ING STEP REF), most of those are going to be automatically upheld.

And what of having to review OBVIOUS plays, like a tipped pass being whistled for PI? That was a WASTED challenge, and it should not have necessitated a challenge in the first place.

When you've got guys using challenges they shouldn't have to use, then pointing to faulty statistics and saying NUH UH EVERYTHING IS FYN U GYZ!, you're ****ing clueless.

Giving an extra timeout? Was that reviewed? Hmmm. NOPE.

Completely missing defensive players getting thrown to the ground by OL... is that covered by your stats? Pretty sure those aren't reviewable, so NOPE.

Oh, how about the dirtiest player in the league, Cortland Finnegan, BRAGGING THAT HE'S GETTING AWAY WITH EVERYTHING SHORT OF MURDER WITH THE REFS... is that covered by your stats? Gosh, I sure don't think so.

EVERYTHING IS FYN U GYZ!

What a ****ing dip****.

[errand]

Are you going to the Panthers Broncos game in November?


If I can score some decent tickets...but if I can't, I will still watch them on TV...regardless of who is officiating the game.

[errand]

You do realize that every scoring play has an automatic review, yes?

and yet you completely miss why that rule had to be installed? just like the Bert Emmanuel catch that the old refs said wasn't a catch caused the NFL to change the rule book...the NFL has to install a new ruling that all scoring plays will be reviewed. And you don't wonder why that is?

why would the NFL have to make all scoring plays auto reviewed? why did they change the ruling on what does and doesn't constitute a legal catch? why did they have to install instant replay in the first place?

[GreasyQtip]

Did anyone just catch the False Start on the Defense Call in the cowboys game

[oubronco]

No but I saw they spotted the ball 2yds forward from where Charles knee was down

[errand]

Did anyone just catch the False Start on the Defense Call in the cowboys game

Yes, it's what is commonly known as a neutral zone infraction...or offsides.

But what's more important is that if the game isn't blacked out then it was sold out, correct? So explain to me how these new refs are hurting the business?

[GreasyQtip]

Yes, it's what is commonly known as a neutral zone infraction...or offsides.

Yea I think everyone knows that, even them, it is clear that the spot light and the pressure is getting to them, when he was saying it it looked like he was terrified

[Play2win]

RED TEAM...

:notthissh

[peacepipe]

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[errand]

Yea I think everyone knows that, even them, it is clear that the spot light and the pressure is getting to them, when he was saying it it looked like he was terrified

Damned if they do...damned if they don't.

so tell me people, would you rather have NFL games without the old refs, or no NFL games until the old refs and NFL ratify a new CBA?

[lonestar]

Fans need to organize a protest week where its scheduled that fans just will not watch any of the games that week. probably won't get enough protesters to make a difference but it would send a message.

how are you going to quantify that?

OK I'll say I will not watch but I'll tell you now I will..

what about ticket holder any of them are going to waste that money..

get serious.. this is not going to happen..

[lonestar]

I think one of the biggest problems is game management, but an even bigger problem is players taking advantage. In the same interview above (video), Nails said guys will see what the refs are not calling and begin to take advantage. The pick play at the end of the Falcons game is a perfect example. The Broncos got away with a pick earlier in the game, and Falcons came back and used it against the Broncos when it mattered most. Those type of opportunistic nuances change the course of games in fractions, and never show up in a stay sheet. There are a lot of intangible factors that play into football as well, and they are also incalculable. Sticking with the Falcons game, the PI call against Carter was a horrible call, and allowed a touchdown drive to continue. The score at that point was 10-0 I believe, so a stop by the Broncos defense would have been monumental at that point. Your talking about a 10-14 point difference if the Broncos score on the ensuing drive. That's where these officials are effecting the game the most. This is also the highest scoring first two weeks of any NFL season, so now that every touchdown is being reviewed the number of reviews should have increased, and accuracy is a non factor when there is no discriminate guideline.

would you like some cheese and crackers with that whine..

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

would you like some cheese and crackers with that whine..

Why do you constantly berate posters for their opinions? You sound like a liberal on meth.

[lonestar]

Damned if they do...damned if they don't.

so tell me people, would you rather have NFL games without the old refs, or no NFL games until the old refs and NFL ratify a new CBA?

wonder how many morons will go for the latter

make a poll and make the answers available for all to see and then we can call them hypocrites..

[GreasyQtip]

Damned if they do...damned if they don't.

so tell me people, would you rather have NFL games without the old refs, or no NFL games until the old refs and NFL ratify a new CBA?

Sheesh I am a huge fan of the NFL I do not find the refs to be all that bad, people complained this bad last year about the refs. I just giggle at the red team and the defensive false start, its the little things you don't notice the other refs get right.

Sometimes it gets beyond them and out of control but the players do that to themselves and will police it themselves so it doesn't bother me so much.

[lonestar]

Why do you constantly berate posters for their opinions? You sound like a liberal on meth.

because they make so easy to do..

for that matter most conservatives believe you should be responsible for their actions..

[Drunken.Broncoholic]

because they make so easy to do..

for that matter most conservatives believe you should be responsible for their actions..

Maybe responsible for my own actions, not responsible for someone else's. that again falls under a cryin liberal. (Not saying you are the lib in this post)

[DBroncos4life]

Ref threw his hat onto the field causing a WR to fall down. Anyone that defends these guys are ****ing retards lol.

[Bacchus]

Ref threw his hat onto the field causing a WR to fall down. Anyone that defends these guys are ****ing retards lol.

Lots of retards....

[maher_tyler]

9ers used two challenges with ZERO time outs left! Basically they were given 5 time outs...

[maher_tyler]

Lots of retards....

Extremely retarded on levels we have never seen!

[maher_tyler]

More cunfusion in the Washington vs Cinci game...

[Lycan]

http://nbcoutofbounds.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/slip-on-ref-had-9-23-121.gif

[bigbucks24]

So like, this is a thing that actually does not happen because of that whole demand thing.

What? You don't think McDonalds raises prices when minimum wage goes up? Really? Buy a Big Mac in December and then again in January. See for yourself. Businesses certainly do raise prices to compensate for higher costs. Wait until forced healthcare kicks in.

[Jetmeck]

What? You don't think McDonalds raises prices when minimum wage goes up? Really? Buy a Big Mac in December and then again in January. See for yourself. Businesses certainly do raise prices to compensate for higher costs. Wait until forced healthcare kicks in.

Who needs healthcare, lol ? Not us, only the rest of the free and sometimes not so free world has healthcare.

Back to topic..........so basically you are saying the refs don't deserve a raise and to NOT HAVE THEIR PENSION TERMINATED because tickets will go up ?

Your stupid....what do players make ? Lot more than refs and the NFL and owners are flush with cash. You don't ask for concessions when your making truck loads of cash. Not saying the refs should get everything they ask for but not terminating pensions and other BS.

hELL NO....THEY HELPED MAKE THE DOUGH THEY SHOULD GET A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT THEY HELPED MAKE..............

We are seeing that the regular officials are sorely missed and the NFL is a hypocrite.......talking about player's safety and how important the game is.

Man up and show you care NFL.

Guys I been down this road with a greedy ass American Airlines with 4 billion dollars in the bank wanting to cut pensions, healthcare, vacation, work rules and pay.

We gave up 18.5% in 03.......yet they want more 9 years later........labor is part of the equation deserves a slice of the pie.

NFL is being greedy.

Lonestar , chime in you union, labor hating douche............I got my pension.

[Bacchus]

Who needs healthcare, lol ? Not us, only the rest of the free and sometimes not so free world has healthcare.

Back to topic..........so basically you are saying the refs don't deserve a raise and to NOT HAVE THEIR PENSION TERMINATED because tickets will go up ?

Your stupid....what do players make ? Lot more than refs and the NFL and owners are flush with cash. You don't ask for concessions when your making truck loads of cash. Not saying the refs should get everything they ask for but not terminating pensions and other BS.

hELL NO....THEY HELPED MAKE THE DOUGH THEY SHOULD GET A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT THEY HELPED MAKE..............

We are seeing that the regular officials are sorely missed and the NFL is a hypocrite.......talking about player's safety and how important the game is.

Man up and show you care NFL.

Guys I been down this road with a greedy ass American Airlines with 4 billion dollars in the bank wanting to cut pensions, healthcare, vacation, work rules and pay.

We gave up 18.5% in 03.......yet they want more 9 years later........labor is part of the equation deserves a slice of the pie.

NFL is being greedy.

Lonestar , chime in you union, labor hating douche............I got my pension.

The NFL is a billion dollar operation and they are locking the refs out over $63,000 per team. That is the signing bonus for a 7th round draft pick for Christ sakes.

[Jetmeck]

The NFL is a billion dollar operation and they are locking the refs out over $63,000 per team. That is the signing bonus for a 7th round draft pick for Christ sakes.

Well there you go............some of these ass clowns on here think the refs deserve nothing and should work for whatever scraps the NFL sees fit to throw from their royal table.

I only hope the ones that think labor is worthless and have no rights get this exact treatment someday as they deserve it.

[bigbucks24]

Jet.....are you open to an analogy or are you closed minded?

[Jetmeck]

Jet.....are you open to an analogy or are you closed minded?

Saying labor has no place at the table is a republican philosophy and people have gotten soft that last few decades and have forgotten people died to have the work rules you take for granted every day of your life.

[Jetmeck]

What? You don't think McDonalds raises prices when minimum wage goes up? Really? Buy a Big Mac in December and then again in January. See for yourself. Businesses certainly do raise prices to compensate for higher costs. Wait until forced healthcare kicks in.

lol...........how much you think the price of gas raised the price of a big mac ?

don't blame labor for everything

[lonestar]

Jet.....are you open to an analogy or are you REALLY that closed minded?

Fixed that for you..

and yes he is..

a union schmuck that probably would not have a job without a union.. Oh wait he may not have a job because the Pilots union for them is screwing up the company.. with fake work orders once the planes are away from the jetway and sick calls.. forcing the company to pay millions in rebooking fees..

But that is Union mentality.. make your company go farther into debt than it already is.. working for Us Air will be a real FUBAR..

[bigbucks24]

Saying labor has no place at the table is a republican philosophy and people have gotten soft that last few decades and have forgotten people died to have the work rules you take for granted every day of your life.

I take it that means no. No problem.

[bigbucks24]

lol...........how much you think the price of gas raised the price of a big mac ?

don't blame labor for everything

My reply was to a comment that the NFL would never raise prices to cover a raise in labor costs. Of course, labor isn't the only thing that causes businesses to raise prices. Commodity prices have also causes your Big Mac to go up. I was just saying the NFL could theoretically raise prices to cover the cost of higher expenses.

[lonestar]

My reply was to a comment that the NFL would never raise prices to cover a raise in labor costs. Of course, labor isn't the only thing that causes businesses to raise prices. Commodity prices have also causes your Big Mac to go up. I was just saying the NFL could theoretically raise prices to cover the cost of higher expenses.

Well that will go right over his head, as unless it is about the rich which he seems to be jealous of and hates or unions he will not get it..

[Jetmeck]

Well that will go right over his head, as unless it is about the rich which he seems to be jealous of and hates or unions he will not get it..

AA is not in debt, sitting on 4 billion.
Pilots are doing exactly what our union should have done.
We negotiated for 5 years with these ass clowns..........


Your just misinformed as usual and yea I take offense to every one of you clowns hating on labor.

Not jealous of anybody rich but they need to pay what they paid just 10 years ago because we are in debt...they don't need another tax break you asshole.

[Jetmeck]

Fixed that for you..

and yes he is..

a union schmuck that probably would not have a job without a union.. Oh wait he may not have a job because the Pilots union for them is screwing up the company.. with fake work orders once the planes are away from the jetway and sick calls.. forcing the company to pay millions in rebooking fees..

But that is Union mentality.. make your company go farther into debt than it already is.. working for Us Air will be a real FUBAR..

US air .....see there you go again. Don't know your ass from a hole in the ground but keep talking.

You are some greedy **** who thinks labor is some commodity to use up and throw away. They are part of the equation. Take your ass backwards labor views to China where they belong.

[lonestar]

AA is not in debt, sitting on 4 billion.
Pilots are doing exactly what our union should have done.
We negotiated for 5 years with these ass clowns..........


Your just misinformed as usual and yea I take offense to every one of you clowns hating on labor.

Not jealous of anybody rich but they need to pay what they paid just 10 years ago because we are in debt...they don't need another tax break you a-hole.

hmm wonder then why they are in bankruptcy court.. must mean they owe more than 4 billion..

ahahahahahahahaha

[Jetmeck]

hmm wonder then why they are in bankruptcy court.. must mean they owe more than 4 billion..

ahahahahahahahaha

heh stupid. AMR has 4 billion .........they don't owe 4 billion.

**** off

They went to bankruptcy court because they could NOT get us to give them more.

LiKE the NFL and you they are greedy and want to take away form the easist source to grab....labor.

I only hope you get the chance to be on the other end of your labor and union hatred some day....you got a rude awakening If you think your somehow SPECIAL.......

[lonestar]

US air .....see there you go again. Don't know your ass from a hole in the ground but keep talking.

You are some greedy **** who thinks labor is some commodity to use up and throw away. They are part of the equation. Take your ass backwards labor views to China where they belong.

You are obviously just sucking up what your union bosses are telling you..

There is no way that AA comes out of bankruptcy as a stand alone airline they well merge with someone and right now that someone is USAir....
it is a matter of time..

your Plots union is sticking it to all the employees with their work action.. will cost you billions in fines, fees, hotel bills, food bills and/or paying for full fare tickets on other airlines to get those passengers that had a contract with AA to get them to their destination on time..

[Jetmeck]

jUST FOR YOU ASS CLOWN LONESTAR.

AMR has 4 billion in the bank and had no intention of going into bankruptcy and our then CEO stated it was wrong to take more from labor.

He was forced out by the board and they voted to take us to court through bankruptcy...........they didn't have to do it. It was a choice.

[Jetmeck]

You are obviously just sucking up what your union bosses are telling you..

There is no way that AA comes out of bankruptcy as a stand alone airline they well merge with someone and right now that someone is USAir....
it is a matter of time..

your Plots union is sticking it to all the employees with their work action.. will cost you billions in fines, fees, hotel bills, food bills and/or paying for full fare tickets on other airlines to get those passengers that had a contract with AA to get them to their destination on time..


shut up fool...I work there and they just started talking to USAIR and that is all this going on right now and as far as AA goes they get what they deserve.............hopw the pilots stick it to them.

Don't worry dick If USair comes along I am retiring with a full pension. Maybe they will terminate it some day so some union hating ass clown like you can pay for my pension with your tax dollars.

[Jetmeck]

hate labor, unions and most BrONCO THINGS............full on retard.

Bet you get along great at a bar as long as you keep your mouth shut...............

[lonestar]

heh stupid. AMR has 4 billion .........they don't owe 4 billion.

**** off

They went to bankruptcy court because they could NOT get us to give them more.

LiKE the NFL and you they are greedy and want to take away form the easist source to grab....labor.

I only hope you get the chance to be on the other end of your labor and union hatred some day....you got a rude awakening If you think your somehow SPECIAL.......

the bankruptcy courts do not allow companies to declare Bankruptcy unless they owe more than what they have..

that is a fact jack.. Do not believe all that our union schmucks are telling you..

this was a rueters news report when AA filed..

In its bankruptcy petition filed in Manhattan, AMR reported assets of $24.72 billion and liabilities of $29.55 billion. The company has $4.1 billion in cash.

One bankruptcy rule is "don't wait too long," Harvey Miller, a partner at Weil, Gotshal & Manges representing AMR, said at a court hearing. "Don't wait until the course is irreversible. That is what American Airlines is doing today."

American plans to operate normally while in bankruptcy, but the Chapter 11 filing could punch a hole in the pensions of roughly 130,000 workers and retirees.

AMR pension plans are $10 billion short of what the carrier owes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/30/us-americanairlines-idUSTRE7AS0T220111130

24.72 billion is less than 29.55 billion no matter how your union bosses slice it..
that 4 billion is part of the assets

therefore it does not count other than as part of being 4.83 billion in the hole..


and now for the rest of the bad news..

On Friday August 31st, AMR Corp., parent of American Airlines, and US Airways Group announced they signed a non-disclosure agreement and would exchange confidential information in an effort to merge their companies. A merged airline would have complementary route networks and achieve the scale necessary to compete head-to-head with the largest carriers, US Airways officials have said.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-31/news/chi-american-us-airways-say-they-are-evaluating-potential-merger-20120831_1_merger-talks-ceo-tom-horton-american-airlines


good luck..

[lonestar]

hate labor, unions and most BrONCO THINGS............full on retard.

Bet you get along great at a bar as long as you keep your mouth shut...............



I have little love for unions true but that is only because they are blood suckers.. taking your money each month for little if anything in return..

but if your ok with that I could care less.

I fool I do not drink like you obviously do..

unfortunately you think I hate the Broncos I have no reason to as I have been their fan since 1960 and actually even before that as I used to hang out at the practice field before they officially had a Name..

My HS general coach was an OT for them for awhile....

I say nothing that I do not believe or is factual and frankly most of my predictions come true..

Unfortunately they do not always conform with hopes and dreams of fools like yourself..

I have always called it like I see it even when it was not the popular thing to do.. Sorry if you see it as hate..

[Jetmeck]

[QUOTE=lonestar;3678446]the bankruptcy courts do not allow companies to declare Bankruptcy unless they owe more than what they have..

that is a fact jack.. Do not believe all that our union schmucks are telling you..

this was a rueters news report when AA filed..




AMR the parent company has 4 billion in cash and assets.............look it up.
YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS ?

I work there and we know exactly what is going on............everything being stashed into the parent company just for bankruptcy purposes, regardless there would have 4 billion if they liquidated and counted their cash.

I overhauled jet engines for years for TWA and AA and wired AA planes for years as an avionics mechanic.

People lives literally in my hands..........you couldn't hold my jock you POS.


Your news articles don't know the half of it and you do not know the other half.

Unions are blood suckers in your world, union members died and spilled blood so worthless assholes you could enjoy work rules and benefits that they earned for you.

**** you very much...you are not welcome !

[Blueflame]

I think this thread has run its course on the main forum and the topic has irretrievably shifted to "unions: pro or con". Therefore... moving it to the proper forum.

[lonestar]

I think this thread has run its course on the main forum and the topic has irretrievably shifted to "unions: pro or con". Therefore... moving it to the proper forum.

therefore I'm out as I try real hard not to go into that liberal infested area.. NO one has an open mind like our resident air plane mechanic does..

[lonestar]

[QUOTE=lonestar;3678446]the bankruptcy courts do not allow companies to declare Bankruptcy unless they owe more than what they have..

that is a fact jack.. Do not believe all that our union schmucks are telling you..

this was a rueters news report when AA filed..




AMR the parent company has 4 billion in cash and assets.............look it up.
YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS ?

I work there and we know exactly what is going on............everything being stashed into the parent company just for bankruptcy purposes, regardless there would have 4 billion if they liquidated and counted their cash.

I overhauled jet engines for years for TWA and AA and wired AA planes for years as an avionics mechanic.

People lives literally in my hands..........you couldn't hold my jock you POS.


Your news articles don't know the half of it and you do not know the other half.

Unions are blood suckers in your world, union members died and spilled blood so worthless a-holes you could enjoy work rules and benefits that they earned for you.

**** you very much...you are not welcome !

temper temper..

I'm gone from this thread..

may even put you on iggy..your not worth wasting any more time on..

[Jetland]

therefore I'm out as I try real hard not to go into that liberal infested area.. NO one has an open mind like our resident air plane mechanic does..

haha what you are here almost every day..........
your crazy is the best keep it coming

[DBroncos4life]

I think this thread has run its course on the main forum and the topic has irretrievably shifted to "unions: pro or con". Therefore... moving it to the proper forum.

Cant you ****ing warn these posters like SoCal and NOT ****ing move the thread. You let three ****ing posters rule this god damn board. Why can't you guys please the 90% instead of the 10 ****ing % that ruin this board.

[barryr]

Cant you ****ing warn these posters like SoCal and NOT ****ing move the thread. You let three ****ing posters rule this god damn board. Why can't you guys please the 90% instead of the 10 ****ing % that ruin this board.

But that's our society today. Cater to the smaller masses so the majority have to change their lives to accommodate the rest. Yeah, it's stupid, but this is the country we have right now.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But that's our society today. Cater to the smaller masses so the majority have to change their lives to accommodate the rest. Yeah, it's stupid, but this is the country we have right now.

All I have to do is compare the Dem and GOP conventions for an example of how bass-ackwards you have this one!

Ha!

[ant1999e]

Jet.....are you open to an analogy or are you closed minded?

There is no discussion with him. He's as closed minded as it gets. And his posts are irate and irrational. He already knows it all and his info is all facts.
That's why I have his ass on ignore. He isn't worth wasting your time on.

[ant1999e]

haha what you are here almost every day..........
your crazy is the best keep it coming

How can someone be banned, make a new account, be banned again and make a third account. Bans are pretty much pointless.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you want a great example of greedy CEOs vs the workers then look no further than these NFL games and the horrible replacement officials

In an industry worth hundreds of billions of dollars these owners are quibbling over a few million in order to screw over the current refs by removing pensions for some, offering less work for most, and phasing out some of the older workers (you know - the ones who get paid more.)

It isn't about the integrity of the business, ensuring consumers are given the best product or the safety of those on the field - it's all about greed. For them it's all about the revenue, not the people.

If it wasn't for the unions that protect these players and secondary employees (such as the officials) the greed of these owners would be insatiable and their abuse of power would be even worse.