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OrangeSe7en
06-15-2013, 06:26 PM
Who won the Earl Chadderton Trophy? It's the award for the NHL player who is best at making banana bread while smoking cigarettes.

BroncosSR
06-15-2013, 07:04 PM
I applaud Alex for making it to the second round a couple times. Studly.

This is where I'll stop you. You can just easily say Crosby needed the cast he got when the Pens drafted 1/2 for 4 straight years and top 5 for 5. Dont act like Crosby had carried the team on his back.

SoCalBronco
06-15-2013, 07:17 PM
This is where I'll stop you. You can just easily say Crosby needed the cast he got when the Pens drafted 1/2 for 4 straight years and top 5 for 5. Dont act like Crosby had carried the team on his back.

Not singlehandedly but he has played a very big role in the teams success. Actually without him they wouldn't have a team anymore. They'd be in KC at the Sprint Center and there would have been no CEC. His rookie season and the attention it drew in the city was a major reason Don Barden had to agree to fund a portion of the arena after his group won the casino rights over the Penguins partner, Isle of Capri. The CEC is literally the house that Sid built.

24champ
06-15-2013, 07:43 PM
To break things down over the 8 seasons since the lockout:

Ovechkin
5-Time 1st Team All-Star (assuming #6 this season)
1 2nd Team All-Star
3 Hart Trophies
3 Pearson/Lindsey Trophies
3 Richards
1 Art Ross
Calder Trophy

Malkin
3-Time 1st Team All-Star
1 Hart
1 Lindsey
2 Art Ross
Conn Smythe Trophy
Calder Trophy

Crosby
1 1st Team All-Star (would assume #2 this season)
1 2nd Team All-Star
1 Hart
2 Pearson/Lindsey
1 Art Ross
1 Richard

We should all congratulate Sid tonight, the Generational Talent still has the second best resume on his own team, but he's gaining on Malkin.

I feel for Malkin, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. As for Crosby, clearly a top 10 talent but he's not a generational talent.

24champ
06-15-2013, 07:45 PM
Not singlehandedly but he has played a very big role in the teams success. Actually without him they wouldn't have a team anymore. They'd be in KC at the Sprint Center and there would have been no CEC. His rookie season and the attention it drew in the city was a major reason Don Barden had to agree to fund a portion of the arena after his group won the casino rights over the Penguins partner, Isle of Capri. The CEC is literally the house that Sid built.

CEC is the house Bettman built. /chadta

SoCalBronco
06-15-2013, 07:45 PM
He is easily a generational talent. He just can't avoid injuries. When he is out there he statistically out produces everyone else and anyone else.....he just can't stay out there and it's frustrating as hell as a fan.

When he broke his jaw and it became clear he couldn't come back in the reg season to hold on to the Art Ross (and it took MSL 25 days to surpass him) I actually just started crying in my office. I had to tell a co worker that it was about a family member cause I didn't want her to think I was a total nutjob if she knew I was crying about a hockey player and an award, but that just sucked. He should have at least 3 Art Rosses by now (08, 11, 13) and maybe 4 (12). It is very hard to take as a fan.

SoCalBronco
06-15-2013, 07:47 PM
CEC is the house Bettman built. /chadta

Bettman also played a pretty big role behind the scenes, but they would have moved to KC if it wasn't for Sid reinvigorating the city. The amount of pressure put on politicos forced the casino winner to make concessions.

Lestat
06-15-2013, 08:12 PM
Lol. Herc has to rely on injuries to win. I'm waiting for him to win something other than the Richard without external help.

Oh and you left out the Cup and the Golden Goal.

I applaud Alex for making it to the second round a couple times. Studly.

whoa now, let's not pretend that Sid didn't have a very nice supporting cast around him when they went to and when they've won the SCF.
Sid is good but it's not as if there is no one comparable to his level of play.

SoCalBronco
06-15-2013, 08:23 PM
whoa now, let's not pretend that Sid didn't have a very nice supporting cast around him when they went to and when they've won the SCF.
Sid is good but it's not as if there is no one comparable to his level of play.

I didn't say he didn't have a good supporting cast. See my subsequent posts.

BTW Chicago and Boston in OT again. Epic

SoCalBronco
06-15-2013, 08:32 PM
Boston wins. 1-1 series.

Kid A
06-15-2013, 08:34 PM
Boo. Boston deserved that one, though. Dominated possession in OT.

Beantown Bronco
06-15-2013, 09:05 PM
This series is going to give me a freaking heart attack.

I love you Tuukka.

SoCalBronco
06-15-2013, 09:08 PM
IMO Rask should win Conn Smythe even if Boston loses the series but its close ala Giguere from 03. Dude is sick.

24champ
06-15-2013, 10:13 PM
Rask and Quick are the next Brodeur/Roy's of this generation.

Although I liken Quick's style to Mike Richter.

RedskinBronco
06-16-2013, 12:50 PM
SoCal come on dude, if it's not the Washington Ovechkins, the caps don't win. In DC, it's always the Bryce Hapers, Ryan Zimmermans, Alex Ovechkins that get blamed while guys like Backstrom and the role players fly under the radar when they don't contribute ****.

DC organizations are terrible at building teams, they expect the superstars to excessively carry the team. It's funny to see the difference between the Orioles and Nats for example. On the Orioles, everyone chips in. On the Nationals, the guys hide behind "injuries" to Harper and Strasburg. It's a DC thing.

Crosby is a good player, but he has a great supporting cast and truthfully, without Malkin you don't win the Cup in 2009. The whole key is Malkin IMO.

jerseyboiler120
06-16-2013, 12:53 PM
Bettman also played a pretty big role behind the scenes, but they would have moved to KC if it wasn't for Sid reinvigorating the city. The amount of pressure put on politicos forced the casino winner to make concessions.

If they moved to KC would they become the Scouts? And wear the old unis?

RedskinBronco
06-16-2013, 12:55 PM
2 very, very good teams.

This is the best series in quite sometime.

No matter what happens, tons of respect for both these Chicago and Boston squads

RedskinBronco
06-16-2013, 12:56 PM
If they moved to KC would they become the Scouts? And wear the old unis?

Bettman also rigged drafts to ensure Pens stayed in Pitt. He did the same with NY Islanders, Tampa Bay and you could even say Washington.

NBA/NHL are of the same breed. Bettman and Stern, they doctor the **** out of their leagues.

SoCalBronco
06-16-2013, 07:57 PM
Seems we might be talking to Tampa about Letang. I would want Hedman and the No. 3 (Drouin). They could part with the pick but not Hedman too, that's too much....we would need to add something good.

But man if we could walk away from this with Hedman and Drouin that would be amazing.

24champ
06-16-2013, 10:48 PM
unless the Leafs allow Toronto to have another team i don't see them going for another Canadian city. Seattle more than likely will get the team.

Leafs won't be able to prevent Quebec from having a team, they will be the next Canadian City to get a team if the NHL expands or another team struggles with revenue.

But yeah, Seattle is the confirmed Plan B since Bettman has already discussed plans with Seattle's mayor. If the City of Glendale can't approve the funds to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix on July 2nd, it will relocate to be the Seattle Metropolitans.

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/Kruze75/Seattle%20Spitfires/Mets_1917.jpg

Mogulseeker
06-16-2013, 10:52 PM
Leafs won't be able to prevent Quebec from having a team, they will be the next Canadian City to get a team if the NHL expands or another team struggles with revenue.

But yeah, Seattle is the confirmed Plan B since Bettman has already discussed plans with Seattle's mayor. If the City of Glendale can't approve the funds to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix on July 2nd, it will relocate to be the Seattle Metropolitans.

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/Kruze75/Seattle%20Spitfires/Mets_1917.jpg

I thought Seattle was Canucks country?

Let's move the Canes back to Hartford and the Preds the Quebec (leave the Avs alone, lol).

24champ
06-16-2013, 11:02 PM
I thought Seattle was Canucks country?

Let's move the Canes back to Hartford and the Preds the Quebec (leave the Avs alone, lol).

Won't impact the Canucks, but it will impact the Seattle Thunderbirds. A successful junior hockey team. They do very well at the gates and have been the source of controversy in the WHL because they treat their players a lot like professionals.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 04:18 AM
Seems we might be talking to Tampa about Letang. I would want Hedman and the No. 3 (Drouin). They could part with the pick but not Hedman too, that's too much....we would need to add something good.

But man if we could walk away from this with Hedman and Drouin that would be amazing.

No team would trade Hedman and a 1st for a glorified fourth forward.....

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 06:33 AM
No team would trade Hedman and a 1st for a glorified fourth forward.....

Like I said Finkle...ppg defenseman are hard to find. From what I've read there would be strong interest all over the league....only issue is compensation and whether he would sign in certain places.

They should be able to get a better deal for him than they got for Staal and they got a nice return in the latter case.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 06:40 AM
Like I said Finkle...ppg defenseman are hard to find. From what I've read there would be strong interest all over the league....only issue is compensation and whether he would sign in certain places.

They should be able to get a better deal for him than they got for Staal and they got a nice return in the latter case.

Letang is a product of playing with Crosby and Slew Foot. Staal is worth more than Letang. You put Letang on let's say the Panthers and he quickly becomes a PP QB and 40-60 point player which is not worth a prospect/pick.

Staal is going to be Staal wherever he plays. Add to that fact you're going to have to shell 5-8 million a year for him, it greatly reduces the trade market. Slow trade market will yield less of a return.

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 06:43 AM
The salary goes without saying. That is there for any good player so that goes without saying. Did they think because they traded for him he would take 5m? Come on. I will be very surprised if Letang does not fetch a tremendous return. I think they will sign him tho if he can take 6.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 06:47 AM
The salary goes without saying. That is there for any good player so that goes without saying. Did they think because they traded for him he would take 5m? Come on. I will be very surprised if Letang does not fetch a tremendous return. I think they will sign him tho if he can take 6.

isn't that between him and Crosby :D

I doubt you're going to get a big return for him.....a team could sign Streit if he hits the open market for less.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-17-2013, 07:19 AM
Like I said Finkle...ppg defenseman are hard to find. From what I've read there would be strong interest all over the league....only issue is compensation and whether he would sign in certain places.

They should be able to get a better deal for him than they got for Staal and they got a nice return in the latter case.

Oh FFS.

Karlsson isn't worth that return and he put PPG numbers over a full season last year. Mike Green wasn't worth a similar return a few seasons ago when he did it twice.

Letang isn't worth either of those pieces from TBL for going PPG in a Lockout-shortened season when he missed a quarter of the games.

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 09:19 AM
I think you will be surprised Herc.

Requiem
06-17-2013, 09:24 AM
Sign Chris Chelios, Paul Coffey and Ray Bourque and the Penguins win it all forever.

24champ
06-17-2013, 10:12 AM
I think you will be surprised Herc.

You aren't getting as much you as you think for Letang. No way, dude.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 10:37 AM
You aren't getting as much you as you think for Letang. No way, dude.

I'd put Letang on par with Mike Green. He'd probably get a 2nd rounder at this point.

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 11:08 AM
2nd...lol.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 11:25 AM
2nd...lol.

we'll see.....you're not getting a top 5 pick AND top 5 player for Letang.

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 11:36 AM
we'll see.....you're not getting a top 5 pick AND top 5 player for Letang.

I didn't say we would. I think we will get a first a prospect and a decent player. Thats my expectation. If its just a pick and a player and no prospect thrn i expect the player to be good. Top 5 defenseman...no...but decent two way guy.

gyldenlove
06-17-2013, 11:48 AM
I didn't say we would. I think we will get a first a prospect and a decent player. Thats my expectation. If its just a pick and a player and no prospect thrn i expect the player to be good. Top 5 defenseman...no...but decent two way guy.

It really depends when he is moved. I think he could fetch quite a haul if he is moved when the finals are over. (I am using Edmonton as reference here because they have a ton of resources in the form of players and prospects, the cap space to sign him and need of a top D-man). I could see them sending Gagner and a 1st plus a prospect this offseason.

If you wait until the trade deadline you get in the situation that only a few teams will be looking to add top players - and usually those deals do not fetch the kind of quality loot you could hope for.

Look at the Gaborik deal or the Bouwmeester deal. A conditional 1st rounder and some decent but not great prospects for Bouwmeester and a good but not great player and some prospects for Gaborik. Obviously after the trade deadline his value would drop tremendously as he would not be able to be moved until the playoffs are over and then only to a team who could try to resign him, that would yield no more than a 3rd or 4th round pick.

24champ
06-17-2013, 11:52 AM
I didn't say we would. I think we will get a first a prospect and a decent player. Thats my expectation. If its just a pick and a player and no prospect thrn i expect the player to be good. Top 5 defenseman...no...but decent two way guy.

Everyone thinks they will get a first and a prospect whenever trade speculation starts. Might get a package of mid round picks and a prospect or two.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 12:25 PM
I didn't say we would. I think we will get a first a prospect and a decent player. Thats my expectation. If its just a pick and a player and no prospect thrn i expect the player to be good. Top 5 defenseman...no...but decent two way guy.

Yandle is a better than him and wouldn't yield that. You put Yandle on the Pens and he'd shore up their defense and match Letang in points.

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 12:45 PM
Our D will be fine regardless. We have spent a ton of picks on D and they will all be coming up soon. Harrington and Dumoulin will be on the team next year as well as Despres getting top 4 minutes.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 01:00 PM
Our D will be fine regardless. We have spent a ton of picks on D and they will all be coming up soon. Harrington and Dumoulin will be on the team next year as well as Despres getting top 4 minutes.

your D has sucked balls since Scuderi was allowed to leave (they keep him and they have another cup)....and that to letting Gill go and you have no bite. Orpik's grown cement blocks for skates.

chadta
06-17-2013, 02:11 PM
isn't that between him and Crosby :D

I doubt you're going to get a big return for him.....a team could sign Streit if he hits the open market for less.

FLyers signed streit for 4 years, no terms released but if homers past is any indication its probably to much with a NMC, good god

BroncosSR
06-17-2013, 02:55 PM
FLyers signed streit for 4 years, no terms released but if homers past is any indication its probably to much with a NMC, good god

Dreger is saying 4 years / 5.25 per.

24champ
06-17-2013, 03:15 PM
Dreger is saying 4 years / 5.25 per.

Goddammit homer. Now the price for Dmen just skyrocketed. Chances of resigning scuderi just went out the window.

Lestat
06-17-2013, 03:43 PM
Dreger is saying 4 years / 5.25 per.

i can't help it. BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!. Hilarious!
that's ****ing insane ****. but it's Holmgren so it's not shocking.

Leafs won't be able to prevent Quebec from having a team, they will be the next Canadian City to get a team if the NHL expands or another team struggles with revenue.

But yeah, Seattle is the confirmed Plan B since Bettman has already discussed plans with Seattle's mayor. If the City of Glendale can't approve the funds to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix on July 2nd, it will relocate to be the Seattle Metropolitans.

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/Kruze75/Seattle%20Spitfires/Mets_1917.jpg

it's not Quebec they want, the NHL wants another Toronto team. the Leafs are not having any of that.

Seems we might be talking to Tampa about Letang. I would want Hedman and the No. 3 (Drouin). They could part with the pick but not Hedman too, that's too much....we would need to add something good.

But man if we could walk away from this with Hedman and Drouin that would be amazing.

Tampa is not dealing Hedman. and no way in hell would they deal him for Letang. let alone include the #3.

gyldenlove
06-17-2013, 03:50 PM
I guess we can assume Danny Briere is getting bought out then.

chadta
06-17-2013, 04:22 PM
I guess we can assume Danny Briere is getting bought out then.

im still holding out hope its bryzaster

Lestat
06-17-2013, 04:26 PM
I guess we can assume Danny Briere is getting bought out then.

supposedly they plan to do two buyouts or 1 buyout and a trade if 2 can't be done.

Ray Finkle
06-17-2013, 04:46 PM
FLyers signed streit for 4 years, no terms released but if homers past is any indication its probably to much with a NMC, good god

That's f'n awful......

gyldenlove
06-17-2013, 04:53 PM
im still holding out hope its bryzaster

Could be both, although buying out Bryzgalov will cost about 24 million which is a hell of a lot of cash.

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 06:04 PM
Is this the place to talk about how maddening it is to watch the Blackhawks' PP?

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 06:22 PM
Isn't Streit like 35? Why is he getting 4 years? And over 5m?

Homer is nuts. Yeah I heard Briere and Bryzaster are both being bought out. The cash doesn't matter.....Snider has tons of it...that's not an issue for them.

Actually the 5.25 isn't too shocking I suppose although it is a clear overpayment. Sarge got 5 from Dallas and he is on his last legs. The market is just getting out of control. Bigger issue is the term. It will be impossible to resign Letang now with these kind of deals being passed out to guys on wheelchairs. He is gonna want 8 I bet.

gyldenlove
06-17-2013, 06:32 PM
Isn't Streit like 35? Why is he getting 4 years? And over 5m?

Homer is nuts. Yeah I heard Briere and Bryzaster are both being bought out. The cash doesn't matter.....Snider has tons of it...that's not an issue for them.

Actually the 5.25 isn't too shocking I suppose although it is a clear overpayment. Sarge got 5 from Dallas and he is on his last legs. The market is just getting out of control. Bigger issue is the term. It will be impossible to resign Letang now with these kind of deals being passed out to guys on wheelchairs. He is gonna want 8 I bet.

Yeah he is a 35+ contract, but I guess Homer is used to stashing those on LTIR.

SouthStndJunkie
06-17-2013, 06:43 PM
Lets go Bruins!

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 06:49 PM
Lets go Bruins!

Boston in 5. This is disgusting.

I just want someone to staple gun Marchand to the boards.

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 06:51 PM
Boston in 5. This is disgusting.

I just want someone to staple gun Marchand to the boards.

Haha....welcome to my world.

You have to hand it to Boston...they know how to suffocate teams....even really really good teams. I tip my cap to them,

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 06:55 PM
Haha....welcome to my world.

You have to hand it to Boston...they know how to suffocate teams....even really really good teams. I tip my cap to them,

Woulda been nice if the officials had gotten that second Chicago goal right the other night. How NBC has the right replay angles and the NHL doesn't baffles me.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 07:03 PM
Yippeee Paille......Mr Falcon!!!!!

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 07:50 PM
Rask is just playing a different game right now. This is fun to watch.

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 07:53 PM
Rask is just playing a different game right now. This is fun to watch.

He didn't have to face **** since Chicago can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to get the puck in the zone or cycle the puck. Credit to Boston's defense but Rask isn't exactly standing on his head out there because, frankly, Chicago hasn't made him. Christ, Chicago shooters couldn't hit ****ing water if they fell out of a boat.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 07:54 PM
He didn't have to face **** since Chicago can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to get the puck in the zone or cycle the puck. Credit to Boston's defense but Rask isn't exactly standing on his head out there because, frankly, Chicago hasn't made him. Christ, Chicago shooters couldn't hit ****ing water if they fell out of a boat.

For most of the game, yes. But he had some really legit blocks there tonight, especially late in the 3rd.

And you sound like the national media. Nobody wants to credit the B's for what they're doing to these teams. It's not a coincidence that teams like Pitt and Chicago are all averaging 4+ goals a game and then they face us and get completely shut down. Teams don't just go cold miraculously when they face us. We do it to them.

broncosteven
06-17-2013, 07:54 PM
Fing Hawks are going to lose this series because they cannot get a shot off when they have a man advantage. Beaners had 3 good quality scoring chances on one of their PK's.

Very sad because otherwise they should be leading this series.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 07:56 PM
Very sad because otherwise they should be leading this series.

Fact: If not for Ference's skate, Chicago is down 3-0.

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 08:00 PM
Fact: If not for Ference's skate, Chicago is down 3-0.

Fact, if not for blown call in game two Chicago is up 2-1. We can do this all night.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 08:04 PM
Fact, if not for blown call in game two Chicago is up 2-1. We can do this all night.

Not true. A first period call doesn't dictate a win or loss. Ference's skate play happened at the end of the third period. COMPLETELY different scenarios.

SoCalBronco
06-17-2013, 08:05 PM
Chicago needs to win Game 4 or they are done.

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 08:14 PM
Chicago needs to win Game 4 or they are done.

Game 4? Sheeit, they were done tonight. Maybe Hossa's return helps but they're still 0-19 on the PP and have given up almost as many SH goals (1) as they have PP shots (2). Those numbers are an embarrassment. A ****ing joke. Pulling Stalsberg for Bollig was a stunning mistake that cost them game 2. And losing Hossa tonight because of something that happened in warmups is just another sign that the fates are not in their favor. Somebody on the Blackhawks better find a sack of nuts and start playing physical hockey or they need to find their passing game. Right now all they are are a bunch of tackling dummies on skates that can't get the puck on net or wet themselves when a shot does present itself.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 08:17 PM
Useless stats:

Rask is 6-0 in 3rd games. with 215 saves out of 221 shots.
S% 97.3
GAA 0.91

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 08:27 PM
Useless stats:

Rask is 6-0 in 3rd games. with 215 saves out of 221 shots.
S% 97.3
GAA 0.91

Useless stats:

Chicago is 0-3 in 3rd games and featured an offensive game plan that was as effective at putting the puck in the net as my son's pet rock.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 08:29 PM
Alright. That one made me laugh.

RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 08:38 PM
Alright. That one made me laugh.

I can handle a lot of things but underachieving and lolly gagging ain't among'em. These guys are just pissing me off. They seem to have hung up the skates after game one.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2013, 08:45 PM
I can handle a lot of things but underachieving and lolly gagging ain't among'em.

Did someone say "lolly gagging"?

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RaiderH8r
06-17-2013, 08:49 PM
Did someone say "lolly gagging"?

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I am in touch with those emotions.

BroncosSR
06-17-2013, 09:22 PM
Useless stats:

Rask is 6-0 in 3rd games. with 215 saves out of 221 shots.
S% 97.3
GAA 0.91

Rask is unreal. Plain and simple. He's playing like a netminder that can carry his team to the cup. In my opinion, he's destined to win the cup. You just cant change that kind of stuff.

Kid A
06-18-2013, 06:59 AM
Outside the 3rd period of Game 1 and 1st period of Game 2, Boston has been dominating. Special teams for Chicago have gone from bad to unwatchable.

Hawks showed in the Detroit series they could get things turned around mid-series, but Boston is much better than the Wings. Game 4 is must win.

gyldenlove
06-18-2013, 10:43 AM
Pavel Datsyuk has agreed to a 3 year extension so he will be in the Detroit for the next 4 seasons. Rumors have his cap hit at 7.6 million per year for the 3 years.

24champ
06-18-2013, 11:49 AM
Kings backup Goalie is being put on the block. Philly, Toronto, New York Islanders are the rumored teams.

The Flyers are one of what has grown to an even dozen clubs contacted by Los Angeles general manager Dean Lombardi about interest in goalie Jonathan Bernier, according to a Kings’ source.

That said, the Kings have not been given the impression the Flyers are fully committed yet to making a switch in goal with Ilya Bryzgalov.

The source said Lombardi is doing his due diligence in trying to move the 24-year-old Bernier, who will be a restricted free agent this summer.

“Basically, we’re running an auction,” the source said.

Perhaps an expensive one, too.

There has been on-going debate within the Flyers as to whether to hand Bryzgalov a “compliance buyout” once the period for such begins 48 hours after the completion of the Stanley Cup Final. http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/source-kings-contact-flyers-about-goalie-bernier

Hope Homer overpays in this deal, Chadta! Sounds like LW Matt Read and a pick going the Kings way is the offer.

LetsGoBroncos
06-18-2013, 12:07 PM
Outside the 3rd period of Game 1 and 1st period of Game 2, Boston has been dominating. Special teams for Chicago have gone from bad to unwatchable.

Hawks showed in the Detroit series they could get things turned around mid-series, but Boston is much better than the Wings. Game 4 is must win.

Yep. Boston has been the better team from start to finish in the series aside from the last 8 minutes of the third period in game 1 and the first period in game 2. They have controlled the other 10+ periods. They could be up 3-0 in the series, but Chicago could have won game 2. 2-1 Boston is where the series should be right now.

Lestat
06-18-2013, 12:36 PM
Kings backup Goalie is being put on the block. Philly, Toronto, New York Islanders are the rumored teams.

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/source-kings-contact-flyers-about-goalie-bernier

Hope Homer overpays in this deal, Chadta! Sounds like LW Matt Read and a pick going the Kings way is the offer.

they did that same **** a few years ago. wanted a king's ransom for Bernier and his stock has dropped significantly since then.
i remember they wanted the Avs to bend over and get reamed silly for acquiring Bernier, as did the Canucks with Scheider. that's what lead the Avs to dealing for Varlamov.

with a actual full time goalie coach now it should work out very well for the Avs.

SoCalBronco
06-18-2013, 01:08 PM
I hope Homer gives up Read and a prospect for Bernier.

24champ
06-18-2013, 01:44 PM
they did that same **** a few years ago. wanted a king's ransom for Bernier and his stock has dropped significantly since then.


Stock hasn't dropped since then, no.

i remember they wanted the Avs to bend over and get reamed silly for acquiring Bernier, as did the Canucks with Scheider. that's what lead the Avs to dealing for Varlamov.

Yeah and it doesn't appear to be working out for the Avalanche.

24champ
06-18-2013, 01:49 PM
Meanwhile, the Kings have just extended Voynov. Well done Dean Lombardi...well done.


6 years, 25 million. 4.1 million cap hit.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3k5sueZCY1qbx51ho1_250.gif

SoCalBronco
06-18-2013, 02:01 PM
Meanwhile, the Kings have just extended Voynov. Well done Dean Lombardi...well done.


6 years, 25 million. 4.1 million cap hit.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3k5sueZCY1qbx51ho1_250.gif

You just lost Scuds with this signing. You have about 1m per open roster spot left.

Bring "The Piece" back home Ray.

24champ
06-18-2013, 02:09 PM
You just lost Scuds with this signing. You have about 1m per open roster spot left.

Bring "The Piece" back home Ray.

Willie Mitchell will probably be on the LTIR, which gives the Kings more Cap relief. I don't forsee a problem getting Scuds resigned if he wants to stay in LA.

Lestat
06-18-2013, 05:01 PM
Stock hasn't dropped since then, no.



Yeah and it doesn't appear to be working out for the Avalanche.

hasn't dropped since then my ass. they wanted 2 firsts + for Bernier back than and some teams were actually considering it.
they won't even demand near that this time. he's not even viewed in the same light by league people now.

it worked out fine for the Avs. our former regime was just stupid as ****.
what kind of GM & coach doesn't hire a full time goalie coach after both of your goalies ask for it and say they need it?

24champ
06-18-2013, 05:34 PM
hasn't dropped since then my ass. they wanted 2 firsts + for Bernier back than and some teams were actually considering it.
they won't even demand near that this time. he's not even viewed in the same light by league people now.


First of all, Kings weren't ready to part with Bernier then. Secondly, there was no asking price. Kings simply turned down the Avalanche's offer, as did the Canucks for the same reason.

it worked out fine for the Avs. our former regime was just stupid as ****.
what kind of GM & coach doesn't hire a full time goalie coach after both of your goalies ask for it and say they need it?

I've read an article or two on the DPO and it sounds like everyone is ready to run Varlamov out of town. Second, I'd say its a lot more than just a goalie coach that is needed to turn that franchise around. I am curious to see how Joe Sakic does in his first draft and handles trades to turn it around there.

chadta
06-18-2013, 05:36 PM
it would appear Phoenix isnt the only team in financial trouble, who knew

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=425724

REPORT: DEVILS' FUTURE CLOUDED BY MISSED INTEREST PAYMENT

chadta
06-18-2013, 05:40 PM
Willie Mitchell will probably be on the LTIR, which gives the Kings more Cap relief. I don't forsee a problem getting Scuds resigned if he wants to stay in LA.

the problem with using the chris pronger/ paul holmgren approach to cap management is that during the summer you can only go over by 10% of the cap, and the person cant be put on LTIR until day one of the season, by then all the free agent deals are done.

24champ
06-18-2013, 05:45 PM
it would appear Phoenix isnt the only team in financial trouble, who knew

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=425724

REPORT: DEVILS' FUTURE CLOUDED BY MISSED INTEREST PAYMENT

Kosman's story has been debunked. This is the same clown that said Parise is staying in NJ last summer and Bill Daly commented on it...

Tom Gulitti‏@TGfireandice
From Bill Daly: "Despite recent reports to the contrary, which are inaccurate, we are not concerned about the Devils' future...

Tom Gulitti‏@TGfireandice
Daly cont: "..., or the franchise's ability to achieve long-term success in Newark."

gyldenlove
06-18-2013, 05:51 PM
it would appear Phoenix isnt the only team in financial trouble, who knew

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=425724

REPORT: DEVILS' FUTURE CLOUDED BY MISSED INTEREST PAYMENT

The Devils have been known to be circling the drain for 2 years.

OrangeSe7en
06-18-2013, 06:39 PM
I wonder if Boston will crank up the heat in their building even more so the ice will be crap. They'll probably be playing on rollerblades.

gyldenlove
06-18-2013, 06:48 PM
The Baby Wings won the AHL with Tomas Tatar claiming the playoff MVP trophy for his 17 goals - quite a fitting end to his AHL career.

bronco militia
06-18-2013, 07:11 PM
The Devils have been known to be circling the drain for 2 years.


they've been circling the drain since the moved away from Colorado

ZZZ...

Lestat
06-18-2013, 09:09 PM
Avs to pass on Jones at #1 (http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_23489308/avalanche-pass-seth-jones-take-forward-joe-sakic)

i'm stunned.

SoCalBronco
06-18-2013, 09:20 PM
Avs to pass on Jones at #1 (http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_23489308/avalanche-pass-seth-jones-take-forward-joe-sakic)

i'm stunned.

Why? MacKinnon and Drouin are great too. There isn't a clear cut choice.

24champ
06-18-2013, 09:29 PM
Avs to pass on Jones at #1 (http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_23489308/avalanche-pass-seth-jones-take-forward-joe-sakic)

i'm stunned.

Looks like Sakic will upgrade via trades and FA.

DomCasual
06-18-2013, 09:40 PM
Avs to pass on Jones at #1 (http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_23489308/avalanche-pass-seth-jones-take-forward-joe-sakic)

i'm stunned.

In fairness, it might just be muddying the waters. If you think about it, why in the world would they announce now what they are really planning? If they have information that Florida, Tampa Bay, or Nashville are hell bent on one of the forwards, then they just really ruined that team's day. They still ultimately hold all the cards on who they take.

Seth Jones makes so much sense for them, I'll believe they're not taking him when they make their pick.

Lestat
06-18-2013, 09:49 PM
Why? MacKinnon and Drouin are great too. There isn't a clear cut choice.

the clear cut choice was Jones. he's the #1 ranked player and only twice in the past 15-20 years has the #1 not gone #1 overall.
MacKinnon is the only other potential #1 overall.

i hope we're bluffing since it's known that Florida has a woody something serious for MacKinnon.

In fairness, it might just be muddying the waters. If you think about it, why in the world would they announce now what they are really planning? If they have information that Florida, Tampa Bay, or Nashville are hell bent on one of the forwards, then they just really ruined that team's day. They still ultimately hold all the cards on who they take.

Seth Jones makes so much sense for them, I'll believe they're not taking him when they make their pick.


i hope it's a bluff. the wording is key. he says if they pick #1. it's known the Avs want to trade down but Florida and Tampa didn't believe they would pass on Jones. both Tampa and Florida want MacKinnon but won't part with nice pieces to move up to #1.

SoCalBronco
06-18-2013, 10:49 PM
PIT media reporting Letang will be traded for sure. Negotiations went nowhere. Shero wasn't going to go higher than 6 and Letang isn't having it (a wise choice on his part as the market will bear more....he can definitely hit 7 or 7.5 if Streit is getting over 5). PIT also would not give him a full NMC....as those were reserved only for Sid and Geno.

Expect a trade shortly or at the draft at latest.

Let the bidding begin.

Only thing that makes me hesitate a bit about this report is that it's Rob Rossi doing the reporting so I'm taking it with a grain of salt....but it does seem to make sense even tho it's Rossi.

Beantown Bronco
06-19-2013, 03:15 AM
I wonder if Boston will crank up the heat in their building even more so the ice will be crap. They'll probably be playing on rollerblades.

Doubtful. If anything, the bad ice seemed hurt Boston more. Bouncing pucks cost Boston a few potential goals and actually caused the only breakaways for the Blackhawks.

gyldenlove
06-19-2013, 07:47 AM
Avs to pass on Jones at #1 (http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_23489308/avalanche-pass-seth-jones-take-forward-joe-sakic)

i'm stunned.

I totally understand where he is coming from. Backs picked very high have not been living up to their billing, while forwards tend to have a much better success rate. I would definitely pick Mckinnon with that selection, he may not quite have the talent of Crosby or Ovechkin, but he is every bit as good as Stamkos and Tavares and Kane.

24champ
06-19-2013, 08:18 AM
PIT media reporting Letang will be traded for sure. Negotiations went nowhere. Shero wasn't going to go higher than 6 and Letang isn't having it (a wise choice on his part as the market will bear more....he can definitely hit 7 or 7.5 if Streit is getting over 5). PIT also would not give him a full NMC....as those were reserved only for Sid and Geno.

Expect a trade shortly or at the draft at latest.

Let the bidding begin.

Only thing that makes me hesitate a bit about this report is that it's Rob Rossi doing the reporting so I'm taking it with a grain of salt....but it does seem to make sense even tho it's Rossi.

Rumors abound that Pitt is also interested in Bernier.

Malkin for Bernier and a pick. :P

Lestat
06-19-2013, 08:37 AM
I totally understand where he is coming from. Backs picked very high have not been living up to their billing, while forwards tend to have a much better success rate. I would definitely pick Mckinnon with that selection, he may not quite have the talent of Crosby or Ovechkin, but he is every bit as good as Stamkos and Tavares and Kane.

that's a flawed way of looking at it. most of the better young defenders in the NHL right now were picked between #2 and #10 overall.
some were thought about as a #1 pick but the #1 overall selection was eventually used on a forward.

this is a supremely stupid move and i hope it's a bluff to force Florida into trading up into the #1 slot as it's widely known they badly covet MacKinnon.

SoCalBronco
06-19-2013, 08:42 AM
Rumors abound that Pitt is also interested in Bernier.

Malkin for Bernier and a pick. :P

No we aren't interested in him. And Geno now has a NMC.

gyldenlove
06-19-2013, 08:57 AM
that's a flawed way of looking at it. most of the better young defenders in the NHL right now were picked between #2 and #10 overall.
some were thought about as a #1 pick but the #1 overall selection was eventually used on a forward.

this is a supremely stupid move and i hope it's a bluff to force Florida into trading up into the #1 slot as it's widely known they badly covet MacKinnon.

That is not really true though. Voynov, Karlson, Weber, Subban, Shultz and Keith were all 2nd rounders. Dougie Hamilton, Doughty, Ekman-Larson, Suter and Pietrangelo were top 10 picks.

If you look at the history of the number 1 overall picks, forwards tend to pan out and defenders and goalies not so much. I think the reason is that forward skills are much easier to project, if you are big, strong, fast and have good stick skills you will probably succeed at forward. Defense and goaltending requires more time to learn and is more difficult to project.

DivineLegion
06-19-2013, 08:58 AM
that's a flawed way of looking at it. most of the better young defenders in the NHL right now were picked between #2 and #10 overall.
some were thought about as a #1 pick but the #1 overall selection was eventually used on a forward.

this is a supremely stupid move and i hope it's a bluff to force Florida into trading up into the #1 slot as it's widely known they badly covet MacKinnon.

There are a few diamonds in the rough, Justin Faulk for example was a second round draft pick, but you are spot on in terms of the majority of top defensemen.

24champ
06-19-2013, 09:28 AM
No we aren't interested in him. And Geno now has a NMC.

Geno would wave his NMC to move to come to LA. Lots of women here for him.

Lestat
06-19-2013, 10:12 AM
That is not really true though. Voynov, Karlson, Weber, Subban, Shultz and Keith were all 2nd rounders. Dougie Hamilton, Doughty, Ekman-Larson, Suter and Pietrangelo were top 10 picks.

If you look at the history of the number 1 overall picks, forwards tend to pan out and defenders and goalies not so much. I think the reason is that forward skills are much easier to project, if you are big, strong, fast and have good stick skills you will probably succeed at forward. Defense and goaltending requires more time to learn and is more difficult to project.

Karlsson was the #15 overall pick in 2008.

2008
Doughty,Bogosian,Pietrangelo,Schenn
2009
Hedman,OEL,Cowen
2010
Gudbranson
2011
Larsson,Hamilton,Brodin

this doesn't even include 2012 when 8 of the top 10 were D men.
they're all in the minors right now but at least half are considered to be some of the best prospects in the game.

more importantly than that. almost every top young or even top defense man period is being re-signed by their teams because it costs so much on the open market to sign them.
it is harder and harder to acquire a franchise or top tier D man and the franchises that do lock them up.

the sample size of D men going #1 is small and scouting has improved greatly since the days of it being a dooming selection at #1.
the amount of forwards who bust out vs D men in the top 10-15 is about the same rate. that D men busting out is a myth because franchises like to put asses in the seats and that comes from scoring and not D.
like a QB being the face of the franchise instead of a CB.

Beantown Bronco
06-19-2013, 10:29 AM
more importantly than that. almost every top young or even top defense man period is being re-signed by their teams because it costs so much on the open market to sign them.
it is harder and harder to acquire a franchise or top tier D man and the franchises that do lock them up.

While true, it's pretty funny that the core of the Bruins ridiculous all world defense came from outside their organization and they really didn't have to give up a heck of a lot to get any of them.

They've only drafted two of their top 8 dmen.

gyldenlove
06-19-2013, 10:43 AM
Karlsson was the #15 overall pick in 2008.

2008
Doughty,Bogosian,Pietrangelo,Schenn
2009
Hedman,OEL,Cowen
2010
Gudbranson
2011
Larsson,Hamilton,Brodin

this doesn't even include 2012 when 8 of the top 10 were D men.
they're all in the minors right now but at least half are considered to be some of the best prospects in the game.

more importantly than that. almost every top young or even top defense man period is being re-signed by their teams because it costs so much on the open market to sign them.
it is harder and harder to acquire a franchise or top tier D man and the franchises that do lock them up.

the sample size of D men going #1 is small and scouting has improved greatly since the days of it being a dooming selection at #1.
the amount of forwards who bust out vs D men in the top 10-15 is about the same rate. that D men busting out is a myth because franchises like to put asses in the seats and that comes from scoring and not D.
like a QB being the face of the franchise instead of a CB.

Of those guys only Doughty, Pietrangelo, OEL have really proven themselves. Bogosian and Schenn certainly won't make any lists of top defensemen any time soon. Hedman has been a disappointment, he showed some improvement this year but will need to show a lot more soon. Hamilton looks like a really solid prospect, but it is still early days for him.

If you look at forwards from the top 10 in those same drafts:

2008:

Steven Stamkos (the only one who has really performed at the level of Doughty and Pietrangelo)

2009:

John Tavares, Matt Duchene, Evander Kane, Nazem Kadri (all have done at least as well as Hedman or OEL)

2010:

Tyler Seguin, Jeff Skinner, Taylor Hall (have all outperformed Gudbranson)

2011:

The nuge, Landeskog and Huberdau have all done more than Hamilton and Brodin.

The story is the same in 2007, 2006. In 2005 only Crosby has really performed well of the forwards and certainly Jack Johnson has the rest of the lot beat. In 2004 Ovechkin and Malkin are obvious head and shoulders above the rest, but among the rest Blake Wheeler and Ladislav Smid are the top so again a win for forwards.

There are a few outlier years (2005 and 2008 where defensemen have done as well or better than forwards drafted in the top 10) but the majority of recent drafts that we can evaluate have favoured forwards.

You are right about Karlson, not sure why I had him as a 2nd rounder.

gyldenlove
06-19-2013, 10:50 AM
While true, it's pretty funny that the core of the Bruins ridiculous all world defense came from outside their organization and they really didn't have to give up a heck of a lot to get any of them.

They've only drafted two of their top 8 dmen.

I think that has to do with a combination of changing financial circumstances in the old NHL (Chara) and late bloomers like Ference and Seidenberg.

With the salary cap increase of the last few years (even with the contraction this coming season) a lot of teams are spending much more than they used to, so players are not hitting the market as often. Suter and Parise last season highlighted a thin class, Brad Richards the year before.

Lestat
06-19-2013, 10:54 AM
Of those guys only Doughty, Pietrangelo, OEL have really proven themselves. Bogosian and Schenn certainly won't make any lists of top defensemen any time soon. Hedman has been a disappointment, he showed some improvement this year but will need to show a lot more soon. Hamilton looks like a really solid prospect, but it is still early days for him.

If you look at forwards from the top 10 in those same drafts:

2008:

Steven Stamkos (the only one who has really performed at the level of Doughty and Pietrangelo)

2009:

John Tavares, Matt Duchene, Evander Kane, Nazem Kadri (all have done at least as well as Hedman or OEL)

2010:

Tyler Seguin, Jeff Skinner, Taylor Hall (have all outperformed Gudbranson)

2011:

The nuge, Landeskog and Huberdau have all done more than Hamilton and Brodin.

The story is the same in 2007, 2006. In 2005 only Crosby has really performed well of the forwards and certainly Jack Johnson has the rest of the lot beat. In 2004 Ovechkin and Malkin are obvious head and shoulders above the rest, but among the rest Blake Wheeler and Ladislav Smid are the top so again a win for forwards.

There are a few outlier years (2005 and 2008 where defensemen have done as well or better than forwards drafted in the top 10) but the majority of recent drafts that we can evaluate have favoured forwards.

You are right about Karlson, not sure why I had him as a 2nd rounder.

the problem with that thinking, i do agree with some of the guys you listed no doubt. a forward is considered to be a success if he scores 20+ goals or nets 50+ points in a given season.
a d man takes 2-3 years longer to excel but they're not considered a success unless they score 40+ points or they are immediate lock down guys.
Hall has severely underperformed so far in his career, he was lauded as the #1 player in his draft year until Seguin passsed him up late, Kadri has been terrible until this season.

if you take a D men and a forward evenly 50% of the time at #1 the split will be about even in terms of bust vs great.

i had a long detailed post about this subject on HFboards a few months ago comparing and contrasting the top 15-20 picks with forwards vs d men.
i didn't want to rehash it but it's about the same and top D men are harder to acquire than forwards.

Lestat
06-19-2013, 11:01 AM
While true, it's pretty funny that the core of the Bruins ridiculous all world defense came from outside their organization and they really didn't have to give up a heck of a lot to get any of them.

They've only drafted two of their top 8 dmen.

you can get guys in the later rounds but it takes a lot of luck and insanely good scouts to find them. then you still have to develop the players.
a lot of the later rounds successes are guys who were undersized and went to college or guys who were considered to have big flaws and the teams just straight up developed them well.

Chara wasn't Chara until about 2 years before he left Ottawa, i mean hell, Boychuck was drafted by the Avs and they finally gave up on him and then he went to Boston and bloomed late.
the Wings did that stuff for years, drafted guys late and developed them insanely well.

Ray Finkle
06-19-2013, 11:37 AM
Most of the Rangers D are first rounders...

Staal, MDZ, Moore, McD......I think there is less risk in defense than offense in the early first unless you have a franchise center/winger available.

gyldenlove
06-19-2013, 11:50 AM
the problem with that thinking, i do agree with some of the guys you listed no doubt. a forward is considered to be a success if he scores 20+ goals or nets 50+ points in a given season.
a d man takes 2-3 years longer to excel but they're not considered a success unless they score 40+ points or they are immediate lock down guys.
Hall has severely underperformed so far in his career, he was lauded as the #1 player in his draft year until Seguin passsed him up late, Kadri has been terrible until this season.

if you take a D men and a forward evenly 50% of the time at #1 the split will be about even in terms of bust vs great.

i had a long detailed post about this subject on HFboards a few months ago comparing and contrasting the top 15-20 picks with forwards vs d men.
i didn't want to rehash it but it's about the same and top D men are harder to acquire than forwards.

Hall was in the top 10 in the league for points this year, that is hardly disappointing and is very close to being a point per game guy in his career. Kadri played mostly in the AHL previously because his style did not fit what an antiquated coach wanted him to do in Toronto - he proved his doubters wrong this year by being 2nd on the team in scoring and hitting nearly a point per game.

Defensemen do take longer to mature, partly because being on defense requires more instincts and experience and partly because some skills you just don't build in junior hockey such as skating backwards at high speed, which you need to be able to do in the NHL but not in lower leagues.

The other and more hidden factor is of course the balance between forwards and defensemen - there are 100% more forwards than defensemen in the league, and by virtue of pure statistics there are also about 100% more good forwards than good defensemen. This is just how it goes when the roster is made up of about 7 backs and 13 forwards (the same argument extends to why there are so few good goalies).

I do agree that in terms of pure bust risk, it is pretty similar, but I think the chance of hitting it big is greater on a forward than a defenseman. You can protect your forwards, so if you have a guy like Tavares who is not a great skater and can't play defense at all, you can have him on PP and have him only take faceoffs in the offensive zone - it is much harder to protect your defense the same way.

gyldenlove
06-19-2013, 03:44 PM
Rumors have it that Danny Briere has been informed he is being bought out in Philly - will be interesting to see where he ends up and what kind of deal he accepts/

24champ
06-19-2013, 04:30 PM
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 2s

The 5 teams I believe are in the mix, to varying degrees, on Jonathan Bernier: Florida, Minny, Philly, Tor and NYI...

More teams please...drive up the price.

SoCalBronco
06-19-2013, 04:33 PM
Why is Toronto on that list? WTF

BroncosSR
06-19-2013, 05:26 PM
No we aren't interested in him. And Geno now has a NMC.

Not for a few days though right? And does he only have it for next year?

24champ
06-19-2013, 06:01 PM
Why is Toronto on that list? WTF

Be a good pairing, Reimer/Bernier.

Too bad the Canadians don't have a need for a goalie. They would be all over a young French speaking butterfly goaltender.

broncosteven
06-19-2013, 07:04 PM
What a 2nd period!

Hope the Hawks can get one or 2 more and get out of Beantown with a split and recover the home ice advantage.

gyldenlove
06-19-2013, 07:17 PM
Be a good pairing, Reimer/Bernier.

Too bad the Canadians don't have a need for a goalie. They would be all over a young French speaking butterfly goaltender.

The best thing that can happen to a Montreal goalie is when he is run out of town.

RaiderH8r
06-19-2013, 07:54 PM
What a 2nd period!

Hope the Hawks can get one or 2 more and get out of Beantown with a split and recover the home ice advantage.

Looking unlikely. Boston's figured out Crawford's gimp hand.

bronco militia
06-19-2013, 08:03 PM
Ooof...crawford has been **** tonight.

RaiderH8r
06-19-2013, 08:14 PM
Ooof...crawford has been **** tonight.

**** it. Bring in Emery. At least he has a glove hand.

DivineLegion
06-19-2013, 08:29 PM
Duncan Keith has sucked tonight.

RaiderH8r
06-19-2013, 08:31 PM
Duncan Keith has sucked tonight.

Yes. Lazy passes and shoddy

SCORE!!!

**** it all we're tied up.

DivineLegion
06-19-2013, 08:33 PM
Seabrook in the clutch again!

Overtime wizard.

bronco militia
06-19-2013, 08:34 PM
What a game!..what a series!

Kid A
06-19-2013, 08:35 PM
Wow. Thank ****. Sloppy game on the backend, but a classic to watch. Game 4 is always a huge swing, and going back to Chicago 2-2 wipes out what has been a fairly dominate start to the series by Boston.

24champ
06-19-2013, 10:48 PM
Eklund...

June 20, 2013, 12:32 AM ET
Bernier Deal Getting Close (e4)
Several teams involved...NY Islanders, Devils, Flyers also possibly Toronto...price is "very high"

SoCalBronco
06-19-2013, 10:52 PM
Eklund...

June 20, 2013, 12:32 AM ET
Bernier Deal Getting Close (e4)
Several teams involved...NY Islanders, Devils, Flyers also possibly Toronto...price is "very high"

Good. Rob Homer blind.

24champ
06-19-2013, 10:56 PM
Good. Rob Homer blind.

Never know, and it should happen soon with the GM meetings going on in Boston this week.

BroncosSR
06-19-2013, 11:39 PM
Good. Rob Homer blind.

Pound for pound, he'd still beat your ass.

Until you play on an even playing field, don't attempt to pretend your organization is better. Remember, you needed 5 straight picks of 5 or better, 4 of them are 1 or 2. That's unprecedented. You needed the god damn commissioner to get Crosby behind closed doors. And then you need 4 more picks. Don't pretend you earned your history in the last 6 years on your own accord.

You changed the game of hockey for the worse. And if you can't see that, you're as blind as your entire fan base. It's disgusting and you should be ashamed. I'll challenge you any day to the Flyers storied fan base against the Penguins. We owned you for 15 years. You couldn't win in this city. You never will. As soon as you lose that Crosby, I'll see you in Kansas City. Remember this, because I sure will. I respect you passion, but don't you dare for a second look down on ours. Your team would barely survive. You need every advantage you can get and you'll never, ever be able to know what the Flyers mean to the city of Philadelphia.

Keep talking about 1975. I'm ****ing proud of it. You know why, because we won the cup like it was meant to be won. Not this pussy **** your team puts on the ice every year. This big boy hockey, get your **** ass team off the ice.

Sorry for my soapbox, for some reason Socal, you're comments rubbed me the wrong way.

BroncosSR
06-20-2013, 12:13 AM
Pound for pound, he'd still beat your ass.

Until you play on an even playing field, don't attempt to pretend your organization is better. Remember, you needed 5 straight picks of 5 or better, 4 of them are 1 or 2. That's unprecedented. You needed the god damn commissioner to get Crosby behind closed doors. And then you need 4 more picks. Don't pretend you earned your history in the last 6 years on your own accord.

You changed the game of hockey for the worse. And if you can't see that, you're as blind as your entire fan base. It's disgusting and you should be ashamed. I'll challenge you any day to the Flyers storied fan base against the Penguins. We owned you for 15 years. You couldn't win in this city. You never will. As soon as you lose that Crosby, I'll see you in Kansas City. Remember this, because I sure will. I respect you passion, but don't you dare for a second look down on ours. Your team would barely survive. You need every advantage you can get and you'll never, ever be able to know what the Flyers mean to the city of Philadelphia.

Keep talking about 1975. I'm ****ing proud of it. You know why, because we won the cup like it was meant to be won. Not this p***Y **** your team puts on the ice every year. This big boy hockey, get your **** ass team off the ice.

Sorry for my soapbox, for some reason Socal, you're comments rubbed me the wrong way.

I might have taken this too personally.

chadta
06-20-2013, 03:57 AM
I might have taken this too personally.

naw, It was very well said, and very true, It may have been directed at the wrong person tho.

After some of homers signings lately, im not sure who has to go first him or lavy

SoCalBronco
06-20-2013, 06:45 AM
Pound for pound, he'd still beat your ass.

Until you play on an even playing field, don't attempt to pretend your organization is better. Remember, you needed 5 straight picks of 5 or better, 4 of them are 1 or 2. That's unprecedented. You needed the god damn commissioner to get Crosby behind closed doors. And then you need 4 more picks. Don't pretend you earned your history in the last 6 years on your own accord.

You changed the game of hockey for the worse. And if you can't see that, you're as blind as your entire fan base. It's disgusting and you should be ashamed. I'll challenge you any day to the Flyers storied fan base against the Penguins. We owned you for 15 years. You couldn't win in this city. You never will. As soon as you lose that Crosby, I'll see you in Kansas City. Remember this, because I sure will. I respect you passion, but don't you dare for a second look down on ours. Your team would barely survive. You need every advantage you can get and you'll never, ever be able to know what the Flyers mean to the city of Philadelphia.

Keep talking about 1975. I'm ****ing proud of it. You know why, because we won the cup like it was meant to be won. Not this p***Y **** your team puts on the ice every year. This big boy hockey, get your **** ass team off the ice.

Sorry for my soapbox, for some reason Socal, you're comments rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't recall insulting the Flyers history or saying we had a superior one. A few months ago I did mention 1975 like once, but my comment above is just a reflection of a fan hoping a rival GM makes a blunder. I'm sure you feel the same way about our transactions.


I like your passion though....good stuff.

Ray Finkle
06-20-2013, 07:19 AM
I don't recall insulting the Flyers history or saying we had a superior one. A few months ago I did mention 1975 like once, but my comment above is just a reflection of a fan hoping a rival GM makes a blunder. I'm sure you feel the same way about our transactions.


I like your passion though....good stuff.

that's lawyer speak for "**** Off!"

24champ
06-20-2013, 11:09 AM
that's lawyer speak for "**** Off!"

LOL

Nothing new on the Bernier front this morning. Sounds like Frattin and a 1st from the Leafs or Martin and a 1st from the Islanders. Not sure what the Wild or Florida is offering.

chadta
06-20-2013, 01:41 PM
Im going to be driving to philly to kill homer, latest rumors are that if the rags buy out richards we are interested, somebody take the cheque book away from that flippin idiot, Gagne wants to stay, and there is talk of a 2 year 5 mil deal, really ? id keep him for half that, but come on. Somebody shoot me now.

gyldenlove
06-20-2013, 03:10 PM
Im going to be driving to philly to kill homer, latest rumors are that if the rags buy out richards we are interested, somebody take the cheque book away from that flippin idiot, Gagne wants to stay, and there is talk of a 2 year 5 mil deal, really ? id keep him for half that, but come on. Somebody shoot me now.

It is a long way from Hamilton to Philly, you are going to be driving all night.

chadta
06-20-2013, 03:13 PM
It is a long way from Hamilton to Philly, you are going to be driving all night.

6.5 - 7.5 hours, done it many times, one of my wifes old friends was curator at some old mansion on the side of the river, we used to go down to visit and a game of course

OrangeSe7en
06-20-2013, 03:38 PM
Doubtful. If anything, the bad ice seemed hurt Boston more. Bouncing pucks cost Boston a few potential goals and actually caused the only breakaways for the Blackhawks.

So much for that, considering the ice was a lot better last night.

BroncosSR
06-20-2013, 04:11 PM
I don't recall insulting the Flyers history or saying we had a superior one. A few months ago I did mention 1975 like once, but my comment above is just a reflection of a fan hoping a rival GM makes a blunder. I'm sure you feel the same way about our transactions.


I like your passion though....good stuff.

Yeah, I apologize. I had an "Penguins fan since 2005" in my ear all night last night. Just the straw the broke the camels back. My bad.

gyldenlove
06-20-2013, 04:54 PM
6.5 - 7.5 hours, done it many times, one of my wifes old friends was curator at some old mansion on the side of the river, we used to go down to visit and a game of course

Do you go Syracuse, Binghampton, Scranton or do you cut through the smaller roads?

SoCalBronco
06-20-2013, 09:58 PM
Gylden I have been meaning to ask you...since you are a London resident....based on what you saw this season is Scott Harrington ready to play in the NHL next season as a third pairing guy? We are counting on either him or Dumoulin being the 6th guy next year. Scott is prolly our best stay at home defensive prospect. I know Hunter thinks he will be in the NHL next year but I dunno.

How far away do you think Maata is? Will he be ready one year from now? That is his estimated time of arrival....at least that is the fans expectations.

24champ
06-20-2013, 10:35 PM
From Tim Panaccio of CSN Philly


While the Flyers remain in the sweepstakes chase for L.A. Kings backup goalie Jonathan Bernier, the stakes have been raised.

Much higher, it seems.

Sources say the Toronto Maple Leafs have significantly anted up the price to pry Bernier from the Kings and this is yet another reason why the Flyers canít make a final decision on whether to file a compliance buyout on goalie Ilya Bryzgalov.

The Leafs, New York Islanders, Florida Panthers, Minnesota Wild and now the New Jersey Devils reportedly are in the bidding, but sources say Toronto might be offering more than others are willing to pay.

ďWeíre not really talking,Ē said one Flyers source, which likely means general manager Paul Holmgren canít match what others are offering Kings GM Dean Lombardi for a guy many feel could have been a No. 1 starter were it not for how well Jonathan Quick has performed.



full article: http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...call-bryzgalov

chadta
06-21-2013, 03:59 AM
Do you go Syracuse, Binghampton, Scranton or do you cut through the smaller roads?

I stick with the big roads, and I do 10% over the posted speed limit, which I figure is a safe speed to drive, If I get passed I go the speed of the guy that passes me.

I think the thing that saves me alot of time on all the trips I take is that I just drive, no stretch breaks, we get gas every 700 kms, that is the chance to go the bathroom, I will not stop if I dont need gas, my wife knows it, my kids know it.

Beantown Bronco
06-21-2013, 07:05 AM
So much for that, considering the ice was a lot better last night.

Huh? Are you assuming the games are played in a vacuum and all other variables were the exact same?

canadianbroncosfan
06-21-2013, 12:19 PM
It would be very maven of me to come here two days later to brag about the game, but I will say that these types of game are exactly what the NHL needs.

RaiderH8r
06-21-2013, 12:43 PM
It would be very maven of me to come here two days later to brag about the game, but I will say that these types of game are exactly what the NHL needs.

the NHL may need it but my ticker's going to ****. I thought they might go ahead and just cruise to a win the other night but NOOOOO. Can't just make **** easy on me. Crawford went and put his glove hand up his arse for the evening.

gyldenlove
06-21-2013, 02:19 PM
Gylden I have been meaning to ask you...since you are a London resident....based on what you saw this season is Scott Harrington ready to play in the NHL next season as a third pairing guy? We are counting on either him or Dumoulin being the 6th guy next year. Scott is prolly our best stay at home defensive prospect. I know Hunter thinks he will be in the NHL next year but I dunno.

How far away do you think Maata is? Will he be ready one year from now? That is his estimated time of arrival....at least that is the fans expectations.

Harrington is not ready for prime-time, he is a stay at home type of guy with limited offensive upside and average mobility. His instincts are solid and technically he is decent, but he struggles with speed. I would guess he needs a year in Wilkes-Barre to get used to playing against speed and skill, the ass-whooping the Knights got in the memorial cup really demonstrated his problems with speedy forwards.

Maatta will be ready in a year, his fundamentals have gotten really solid and his two way game is very good. He is not quite as physical or strong as he could be, but he will grow a bit more. I think he is the best of the Knights D, including Harrington and Zadorov.

OrangeSe7en
06-21-2013, 04:38 PM
Huh? Are you assuming the games are played in a vacuum and all other variables were the exact same?

Not sure about the vacuum but I'm pretty sure the Stanley Cup is supposed to be played on suitable ice.

chadta
06-22-2013, 08:56 AM
Not sure about the vacuum but I'm pretty sure the Stanley Cup is supposed to be played on suitable ice.

but southern buildings routinely have crappy ice, as does msg when the circus is in town, and just about everywhere now with multi use facilities.

Beantown Bronco
06-22-2013, 10:09 AM
but southern buildings routinely have crappy ice, as does msg when the circus is in town, and just about everywhere now with multi use facilities.

It was just game 3. We've never had that problem in the past, but we had unusually warm and humid weather that they weren't ready for that day and it affected the building. They made adjustments and it was all good for game 4.

gyldenlove
06-22-2013, 10:35 AM
but southern buildings routinely have crappy ice, as does msg when the circus is in town, and just about everywhere now with multi use facilities.

A lot of building suffer with the ice in June.

OrangeSe7en
06-22-2013, 10:36 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on who the Avs should draft? Any thoughts on who they will draft?

I know Sakic said they're leaning towards the 3 forwards and not Seth Jones. I think this is a good move. I want them to draft MacKinnon. I also think they will draft MacKinnon.

gyldenlove
06-22-2013, 03:55 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on who the Avs should draft? Any thoughts on who they will draft?

I know Sakic said they're leaning towards the 3 forwards and not Seth Jones. I think this is a good move. I want them to draft MacKinnon. I also think they will draft MacKinnon.

I would definitely go with Mckinnon, he is supremely skilled and a solid 2-way guy already. Looking at the Avalanche roster, next season is really going to be interesting since Stastny, O'reilly, Landeskog, Duchene and Varlamov will all be some form of free agents. Getting Mckinnon would allow the Avs to let either O'reilly or Stastny go (or even better, trade one of them for a defender this offseason) with Mckinnon taking a spot as 2nd line center behind Duchene - possibly flanked by Parentau and Jones.

Seth Jones is the alternative and he is a good alternative, the blue line for the Avs is a huge weak spot although there are some young guys coming up in the system who could probably contribute.

OrangeSe7en
06-22-2013, 05:56 PM
I would definitely go with Mckinnon, he is supremely skilled and a solid 2-way guy already. Looking at the Avalanche roster, next season is really going to be interesting since Stastny, O'reilly, Landeskog, Duchene and Varlamov will all be some form of free agents. Getting Mckinnon would allow the Avs to let either O'reilly or Stastny go (or even better, trade one of them for a defender this offseason) with Mckinnon taking a spot as 2nd line center behind Duchene - possibly flanked by Parentau and Jones.

Seth Jones is the alternative and he is a good alternative, the blue line for the Avs is a huge weak spot although there are some young guys coming up in the system who could probably contribute.

I was looking at defenders. Bowers(?) wouldnt be bad in addition to MacKinnon. I'd take MacKinnon as my first choice but Drouins is also good. I kind of think Ds are over slotted in the top 5.

gyldenlove
06-22-2013, 06:42 PM
I was looking at defenders. Bowers(?) wouldnt be bad in addition to MacKinnon. I'd take MacKinnon as my first choice but Drouins is also good. I kind of think Ds are over slotted in the top 5.

I am not a huge fan of Drouin, his speed and stick handling are amazing but that just won't feed the bulldog in the NHL. Drouin is a late bloomer and exploded playing on the most dangerous forward line in the entire CHL this year with Frk and Mckinnon. I think Drouin will face a very difficult transition to the pros and I doubt he will be a significant contributor in the NHL in any of the next 3 seasons.

The Russian kid is a better all-round prospect than Drouin in my view.

Kid A
06-22-2013, 08:27 PM
Hawks one away! Kane coming up big in big games, as usual.

OrangeSe7en
06-23-2013, 01:00 AM
I am not a huge fan of Drouin, his speed and stick handling are amazing but that just won't feed the bulldog in the NHL. Drouin is a late bloomer and exploded playing on the most dangerous forward line in the entire CHL this year with Frk and Mckinnon. I think Drouin will face a very difficult transition to the pros and I doubt he will be a significant contributor in the NHL in any of the next 3 seasons.

The Russian kid is a better all-round prospect than Drouin in my view.

Well Drouin does well in traffic but the guys are bigger, faster, and more physical in the NHL, so you're right about his transition being a question mark. MacKinnon is so fast. In theory, there should be a lot more scoring chances with that kind of speed. Having speed in your teams makeup can be a huge positive. The Blackhawks are a good example.

titan
06-23-2013, 05:53 AM
I would definitely go with Mckinnon, he is supremely skilled and a solid 2-way guy already. Looking at the Avalanche roster, next season is really going to be interesting since Stastny, O'reilly, Landeskog, Duchene and Varlamov will all be some form of free agents. Getting Mckinnon would allow the Avs to let either O'reilly or Stastny go (or even better, trade one of them for a defender this offseason) with Mckinnon taking a spot as 2nd line center behind Duchene - possibly flanked by Parentau and Jones.



I want to see the Avs take Mckinnon, too. He's a center who's a fast skater with a quick shot. Hmmm - sounds like another Joe Sakic.

The Avs are not that far way. They have a good base of young talent. Just look at how they played the Blackhawks in back to back contests this year when their games still meant something (the Avs should have won in Chicago, and did end the Blackhawks long winning streak in game 2 at Pepsi Center)

canadianbroncosfan
06-23-2013, 08:31 AM
the NHL may need it but my ticker's going to ****. I thought they might go ahead and just cruise to a win the other night but NOOOOO. Can't just make **** easy on me. Crawford went and put his glove hand up his arse for the evening.

No doubt. It reminds me of the Tebow season for the Broncos, way too up and down for my liking.

canadianbroncosfan
06-23-2013, 08:33 AM
Hawks one away! Kane coming up big in big games, as usual.

At what cost? Man it's ****ty to see Toews be out, and it showed with how outplayed they were in the third. I know Beregeron was out for Boston as well, and to be honest I hate them both. This has been some really good hockey, and they are two key guys.

SoCalBronco
06-23-2013, 10:01 AM
Bernier traded to the Leafs.

24champ
06-23-2013, 10:39 AM
Bernier traded to the Leafs.

For Matt Frattin, Scrivens. and 2014/2015 second round pick.

Good trade for both sides, Leafs became my second favorite team.

SoCalBronco
06-23-2013, 10:50 AM
MIN interested in the Flower. We will see where this goes.

Some word that ANA is interested in trading for Letang. Suggestion that PIT doesn't really want Ryan....rather more interested in top G prospect John Gibson and Sbisa. I know Gibson is highly thought of, but I would want a bit more than this...esp since we already have a decent G prospect in Hartzell.

From Anaheim I want Etem and Gibson....Etem can be reunited with his BFF Beau Bennett.

gyldenlove
06-23-2013, 11:35 AM
For Matt Frattin, Scrivens. and 2014/2015 second round pick.

Good trade for both sides, Leafs became my second favorite team.

Interesting trade for the Leafs, they finally got some good goalie play last season and then they go and rock the boat by bringing in Bernier - watch either Bernier or Reimer get run out of Toronto within 12 months.

Lestat
06-23-2013, 12:15 PM
I would definitely go with Mckinnon, he is supremely skilled and a solid 2-way guy already. Looking at the Avalanche roster, next season is really going to be interesting since Stastny, O'reilly, Landeskog, Duchene and Varlamov will all be some form of free agents. Getting Mckinnon would allow the Avs to let either O'reilly or Stastny go (or even better, trade one of them for a defender this offseason) with Mckinnon taking a spot as 2nd line center behind Duchene - possibly flanked by Parentau and Jones.

Seth Jones is the alternative and he is a good alternative, the blue line for the Avs is a huge weak spot although there are some young guys coming up in the system who could probably contribute.

rumors are the player we really want is Barkov, which i wouldn't mind but i can't see it as passable to the fans at #1. we'd have to trade down to take him and only Nashville really wants to trade up.

i doubt they deal one of the C's off the bat, ROR can't be dealt until a year after his offer sheet was signed and he'd bring the most back in a trade.
likely Staz or ROR moves to winger if we take MacKinnon or Barkov.

I am not a huge fan of Drouin, his speed and stick handling are amazing but that just won't feed the bulldog in the NHL. Drouin is a late bloomer and exploded playing on the most dangerous forward line in the entire CHL this year with Frk and Mckinnon. I think Drouin will face a very difficult transition to the pros and I doubt he will be a significant contributor in the NHL in any of the next 3 seasons.

The Russian kid is a better all-round prospect than Drouin in my view.

Drouin will do fine, wouldn't shock me if he doesn't end up as the best player to come out of this draft. he outplayed MacKinnon for a good chunk of the year and when Mac missed time he got better.

I want to see the Avs take Mckinnon, too. He's a center who's a fast skater with a quick shot. Hmmm - sounds like another Joe Sakic.

The Avs are not that far way. They have a good base of young talent. Just look at how they played the Blackhawks in back to back contests this year when their games still meant something (the Avs should have won in Chicago, and did end the Blackhawks long winning streak in game 2 at Pepsi Center)

we have to address D like mad in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. a lot of talent on D should fall to #32 and Mueller,Heatherington,Hagg or Theodore would be great to add to the pipeline.

Bernier traded to the Leafs.

about right for him. though why the Leafs traded for him when they already had Reimer is puzzling. they got him for a great price but still.

gyldenlove
06-23-2013, 12:23 PM
rumors are the player we really want is Barkov, which i wouldn't mind but i can't see it as passable to the fans at #1. we'd have to trade down to take him and only Nashville really wants to trade up.

i doubt they deal one of the C's off the bat, ROR can't be dealt until a year after his offer sheet was signed and he'd bring the most back in a trade.
likely Staz or ROR moves to winger if we take MacKinnon or Barkov.



Drouin will do fine, wouldn't shock me if he doesn't end up as the best player to come out of this draft. he outplayed MacKinnon for a good chunk of the year and when Mac missed time he got better.




The forward position this year in the top 5 is so good, Mckinnon, Barkov, Nikushin, Drouin are all top prospects who would be in the talk for number 1 in most recent drafts.

Drouin's skillset seem better suited to the junior game than the NHL, very much like Tebow that way.

OrangeSe7en
06-23-2013, 01:00 PM
rumors are the player we really want is Barkov, which i wouldn't mind but i can't see it as passable to the fans at #1. we'd have to trade down to take him and only Nashville really wants to trade up.
i doubt they deal one of the C's off the bat, ROR can't be dealt until a year after his offer sheet was signed and he'd bring the most back in a trade.
likely Staz or ROR moves to winger if we take MacKinnon or Barkov.



Drouin will do fine, wouldn't shock me if he doesn't end up as the best player to come out of this draft. he outplayed MacKinnon for a good chunk of the year and when Mac missed time he got better.



we have to address D like mad in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. a lot of talent on D should fall to #32 and Mueller,Heatherington,Hagg or Theodore would be great to add to the pipeline.



about right for him. though why the Leafs traded for him when they already had Reimer is puzzling. they got him for a great price but still.

Where did you hear this?

I really think they need to lean towards speed upgrades. Just look at Chicago. This goes for the back end too. Drouin won't likely get significantly faster than he is now. MacKinnon's skill level could increase however. I agree with you though. People compare him to St Louis but all these comparisons are erroneous for a variety of reasons. He could be better than St. Louis. He's supposed to be 5'11 now but MacKinnon is around that ht and he seems significantly taller. IDK.

I think they should look to trade the guys whose deals expire within a couple of years. There's no guarantee they'll have it turned around by then. They should flip them for players in a quality draft.

Lestat
06-23-2013, 02:17 PM
The forward position this year in the top 5 is so good, Mckinnon, Barkov, Nikushin, Drouin are all top prospects who would be in the talk for number 1 in most recent drafts.

Drouin's skillset seem better suited to the junior game than the NHL, very much like Tebow that way.

naw, Drouin will be fine. too much is read into the moves he makes in Halifax.
he's going to be a beast and some actually rate him higher than MacKinnon.

Where did you hear this?

I really think they need to lean towards speed upgrades. Just look at Chicago. This goes for the back end too. Drouin won't likely get significantly faster than he is now. MacKinnon's skill level could increase however. I agree with you though. People compare him to St Louis but all these comparisons are erroneous for a variety of reasons. He could be better than St. Louis. He's supposed to be 5'11 now but MacKinnon is around that ht and he seems significantly taller. IDK.

I think they should look to trade the guys whose deals expire within a couple of years. There's no guarantee they'll have it turned around by then. They should flip them for players in a quality draft.

some rumblings around the web and on HF boards one of the better connected posters has heard it's indeed true.
we've visited with Barkov a confirmed 3 times and took him to dinner.
that's some Landeskog type of interest for us.
Barkov would be a perfect fit considering he will be a two way C with some nice scoring and play making punch, plus unlike MacKinnon he has played Wing in the past fairly well.

i still want Jones but according to a lot of reporters something his interview with the Avs turned them off.

OrangeSe7en
06-23-2013, 03:11 PM
naw, Drouin will be fine. too much is read into the moves he makes in Halifax.
he's going to be a beast and some actually rate him higher than MacKinnon.



some rumblings around the web and on HF boards one of the better connected posters has heard it's indeed true.
we've visited with Barkov a confirmed 3 times and took him to dinner.
that's some Landeskog type of interest for us.
Barkov would be a perfect fit considering he will be a two way C with some nice scoring and play making punch, plus unlike MacKinnon he has played Wing in the past fairly well.

i still want Jones but according to a lot of reporters something his interview with the Avs turned them off.

Wow, that would be disappointing, if it's Barkov. "Perfect fit" is kind of a flawed concept given that this was a bad team. Foregoing higher end talent because someone "fits in better" with a crappy team is kind of hard to justify. It's like having a basketball team of midgets and picking another midget because he fits in best with the other midgets while you could have had a 6'7" guy who can score 30 pts per game. The example is a little extreme but it addresses why it's flawed.

24champ
06-24-2013, 10:41 AM
Interesting trade for the Leafs, they finally got some good goalie play last season and then they go and rock the boat by bringing in Bernier - watch either Bernier or Reimer get run out of Toronto within 12 months.

Nothing wrong with having two young goalies, I think Bernier gets the nod because he is the better pedigree. Reimer struggles with rebound control and he didn't play well in the game 7 fiasco vs the Bruins.

Maple Leafs also retain 500k of salary, that will give the Kings some cap relief and the possibility increases of retaining Scuderi. Also Wilie Mitchell is making some progress with his knee, so if he comes back and Scuderi signs....we'll be ****ing stacked.

gyldenlove
06-24-2013, 11:45 AM
Nothing wrong with having two young goalies, I think Bernier gets the nod because he is the better pedigree. Reimer struggles with rebound control and he didn't play well in the game 7 fiasco vs the Bruins.

Maple Leafs also retain 500k of salary, that will give the Kings some cap relief and the possibility increases of retaining Scuderi. Also Wilie Mitchell is making some progress with his knee, so if he comes back and Scuderi signs....we'll be ****ing stacked.

The problem with 2 young goalies is that eventually you need to give them contracts and if you haven't worked out who is the good one, you will either lose both or give away the wrong one *cough*Montreal*cough*.

Reimer is an RFA next year and I believe Bernier is on his last RFA eligibility, the Leafs will have to make a choice unless it turns out one of them suck.

underrated29
06-24-2013, 12:06 PM
It won't be barkov....we'd have to move down for him and right now I don't think we're getting what we want in the move down.


We stay at 1 and we draft Nathan.

chadta
06-24-2013, 12:29 PM
Backstrom resigned in minny.

3 year 10.25 mil

Guess the don't want fleury after all.

Unless it was a sign and trade in which case I'm going to hate shero and the pens even more than I already do. Not more than I hate homer right now tho.

Hearing rumours that weber may be moved before the draft and that second 12 mill bonus cheque is due.

Not sure how since the deal was signed on the 25 of july and they can't trade him for 1 calendar year after matching an offer sheet. Unless they can delay payment till after a trade.

gyldenlove
06-24-2013, 12:47 PM
Backstrom resigned in minny.

3 year 10.25 mil

Guess the don't want fleury after all.

Unless it was a sign and trade in which case I'm going to hate shero and the pens even more than I already do. Not more than I hate homer right now tho.

Hearing rumours that weber may be moved before the draft and that second 12 mill bonus cheque is due.

Not sure how since the deal was signed on the 25 of july and they can't trade him for 1 calendar year after matching an offer sheet. Unless they can delay payment till after a trade.

Those rumors about Weber are not true.

I don't see how Minny would take on Fleurys salary, they are already pretty tightly against the ceiling with the 3 mill on Backstrom, if they take on Fleury they will have to lose some salary elsewhere - incidentally I would be fine with Pittsburgh eating part of Fleurys cap hit to move him.

24champ
06-24-2013, 01:32 PM
The problem with 2 young goalies is that eventually you need to give them contracts and if you haven't worked out who is the good one, you will either lose both or give away the wrong one *cough*Montreal*cough*.

Reimer is an RFA next year and I believe Bernier is on his last RFA eligibility, the Leafs will have to make a choice unless it turns out one of them suck.

It's a good problem to have, I think. Reimer only went through half a season, and that's not enough to declare him a franchise goalie, not to mention the injuries...

Bernier is about to sign an extension with TML and Reimer will be RFA, not going to pose a problem unless a team wants to offersheet him, to which offersheets rarely happen in the NHL. Conversely, having two young talented goalies will be good for the Maple Leafs cap situation. Neither are expected to get a large contract, unless they turn into beast mode in the playoffs. Works out well for the Maple Leafs.

Ray Finkle
06-24-2013, 01:39 PM
Those rumors about Weber are not true.

I don't see how Minny would take on Fleurys salary, they are already pretty tightly against the ceiling with the 3 mill on Backstrom, if they take on Fleury they will have to lose some salary elsewhere - incidentally I would be fine with Pittsburgh eating part of Fleurys cap hit to move him.

MAF is a mental midget.....she has folded in the playoffs the last few years. If they find a taker, it's going to be for cents on a dollar.

chadta
06-24-2013, 03:05 PM
I would be fine with Pittsburgh eating part of Fleurys cap hit to move him.

as would I, until. . . .

the powers that be in the NHL front office, decide that the team with the most dead cap space should get to pick first, and McDavid ends up a penguin.

Or are they just going to throw 80 games ?

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 03:14 PM
as would I, until. . . .

the powers that be in the NHL front office, decide that the team with the most dead cap space should get to pick first, and McDavid ends up a penguin.

Or are they just going to throw 80 games ?

McDavid to PIT (e5)

The way this could plausibly work is if Letang is traded to a crap team for a package including next years first...and then once the ink is dry on that the league could rig the draft....again....to have that team win the lottery next year even tho they had only a 2 percent chance of winning it. :)

24champ
06-24-2013, 05:03 PM
McDavid to PIT (e5)

The way this could plausibly work is if Letang is traded to a crap team for a package including next years first...and then once the ink is dry on that the league could rig the draft....again....to have that team win the lottery next year even tho they had only a 2 percent chance of winning it. :)

You're not getting a first for Letang.

chadta
06-24-2013, 05:42 PM
You're not getting a first for Letang.

betman has declared all penguins players eligible for a trade to be worth at least but not less than a first round draft pick.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 06:04 PM
You're not getting a first for Letang.

There is no way in hell that the cumulative value of the return will be less than a first. In fact it will be more....ie roster player, prospect and first....or good roster player and good prospect.....which combined would also be worth more than a first even tho a first wouldn't be part of it.

If you are suggesting they are going to get some middle of the road prospect and say a 3rd you are dead wrong.

Lestat
06-24-2013, 06:23 PM
with Sakic announcing during that radio interview that if they picked #1 right now it'd be MacKinnon that pretty much ends any speculation. unless they trade down.
Florida wants mac badly but i don't think they'll part with a major piece to get the #1.

Ray Finkle
06-24-2013, 06:41 PM
There is no way in hell that the cumulative value of the return will be less than a first. In fact it will be more....ie roster player, prospect and first....or good roster player and good prospect.....which combined would also be worth more than a first even tho a first wouldn't be part of it.

If you are suggesting they are going to get some middle of the road prospect and say a 3rd you are dead wrong.

Is it insanity to keep thinking you'll get a first when no one will offer that and then pay 7 mil for a glorified 4th forward that can't stay healthy?

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 06:49 PM
Is it insanity to keep thinking you'll get a first when no one will offer that and then pay 7 mil for a glorified 4th forward that can't stay healthy?

The salary goes without saying. That's not really an argument Finkle.

They got a first a prospect and a good roster player for Staal and Letang is more valuable than a great 3rd line center/ok 2nd line center. I know you don't agree but the market is pretty big on PMD and he is by far the best available on the market. ****ing Streit was paid over 5 cause they didn't want him to hit UFA even tho he is washed up. Sarge got 5m even tho he is also washed up.

There is going to be a very big offer coming...you are in denial.

A first alone will not be anywhere near enough to get a deal done unless its a super high first or unless there are other assets involved.

Ray Finkle
06-24-2013, 07:34 PM
The salary goes without saying. That's not really an argument Finkle.

They got a first a prospect and a good roster player for Staal and Letang is more valuable than a great 3rd line center/ok 2nd line center. I know you don't agree but the market is pretty big on PMD and he is by far the best available on the market. ****ing Streit was paid over 5 cause they didn't want him to hit UFA even tho he is washed up. Sarge got 5m even tho he is also washed up.

There is going to be a very big offer coming...you are in denial.

A first alone will not be anywhere near enough to get a deal done unless its a super high first or unless there are other assets involved.

There are no teams that would rank Staal below Letang.....

Lestat
06-24-2013, 07:51 PM
the Spurs are officially thanking the Bruins after this game.
San Antonio you're now off the hook. ROFL!

gyldenlove
06-24-2013, 07:51 PM
And that is all she wrote - a 2-1 lead with 1:20 left wasn't enough for Boston. It was in 6 instead of 5, but my prediction was pretty good.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 07:55 PM
Congrats to Chicago. The moment Detroit blew it in Game 6 I knew the Hawks would win it all.

Lestat
06-24-2013, 07:59 PM
it's quite possible we could see a rematch next season. these are two of the best teams in hockey and even though Chicago has some roster moves to make they're set up to do well.

gyldenlove
06-24-2013, 08:07 PM
it's quite possible we could see a rematch next season. these are two of the best teams in hockey and even though Chicago has some roster moves to make they're set up to do well.

It is so difficult to repeat and with the realignment Chicago's travel schedule only gets worse.

The Kings are in a great position, Anaheim looks strong, St Louis and Minnesota could both threaten in that conference.

Boston is in solid position, their roster should be pretty in tact and their travel schedule doesn't change as much except for adding some more Florida trips to the schedule. They have Detroit to content with in the division, but Pittsburgh, Washington, Rangers are all in the other division.

24champ
06-24-2013, 08:35 PM
The salary goes without saying. That's not really an argument Finkle.

They got a first a prospect and a good roster player for Staal and Letang is more valuable than a great 3rd line center/ok 2nd line center. I know you don't agree but the market is pretty big on PMD and he is by far the best available on the market. ****ing Streit was paid over 5 cause they didn't want him to hit UFA even tho he is washed up. Sarge got 5m even tho he is also washed up.

There is going to be a very big offer coming...you are in denial.

A first alone will not be anywhere near enough to get a deal done unless its a super high first or unless there are other assets involved.

http://i.imgur.com/2uOBamR.gif


You are not getting a first. A Dman with a high salary and skill set will fetch a mid round pick and a prospect. It's a salary dump by the Penguins and there's not much value in that. It's like the luongo situation, high salary and good goalie but nobody wants to take him on at that cap hit. Vancouver will literally have to give him away for nothing.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 08:39 PM
http://i.imgur.com/2uOBamR.gif


You are not getting a first. A Dman with a high salary and skill set will fetch a mid round pick and a prospect. It's a salary dump by the Penguins and there's not much value in that. It's like the luongo situation, high salary and good goalie but nobody wants to take him on at that cap hit. Vancouver will literally have to give him away for nothing.

You are totally off base 24. If they don't get an extension done there will be a massive trade.

I will put it this way....if Shero gets a mid first offer (like 15th overall) and that's it.......he will reject it....and I have that on good authority.

24champ
06-24-2013, 08:43 PM
You are totally off base 24. If they don't get an extension done there will be a massive trade.

I will put it this way....if Shero gets a mid first offer (like 15th overall) and that's it.......he will reject it....and I have that on good authority.

If thats the case, then Shero is a moron.

Mogulseeker
06-24-2013, 08:47 PM
I hated it when the Avs let Quenneville go, and I still hate the move today.

Congrats to Chicago.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 08:49 PM
If thats the case, then Shero is a moron.

Nope. He just won GM of the year for a reason. Dude is a great manager despite being too loyal to his boyfriend. That's pretty much his only glaring (and possibly fatal) flaw.

There will either be a contract extension for Letang or a Kings ransom will be had. No in between. Just watch dude...just wait till the draft. I'm not worried about compensation in trades. He is historically great in trades (except for Morrow). Dude owns trades. I am a little worried about overpaying Letang (7) but I'm not worried about getting a return.

24champ
06-24-2013, 09:00 PM
Nope. He just won GM of the year for a reason. Dude is a great manager despite being too loyal to his boyfriend. That's pretty much his only glaring (and possibly fatal) flaw.

There will either be a contract extension for Letang or a Kings ransom will be had. No in between. Just watch dude...just wait till the draft. I'm not worried about compensation in trades. He is historically great in trades (except for Morrow). Dude owns trades. I am a little worried about overpaying Letang (7) but I'm not worried about getting a return.

I think you are overstating the market for Letang and will be really disappointed if those are your expectations.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 09:09 PM
If 35 year old Mark ****ing Streit can get 5.25 and 40 year old Sergei Gonchar can get 5m, then it's not physically possible for me to overstate the market.

The market is completely out of control, 24. Have you by chance taken a look at the UFA d-man list? It's crap.....esp among offensive defensemen.

bronco militia
06-24-2013, 09:11 PM
I hated it when the Avs let Quenneville go, and I still hate the move today.

Congrats to Chicago.



Q was a mess here juggling goalies, benching his best players, the passive PK, and butting heads with the front office. Sure the avs were terrible after he left, but he was never going to make a difference here in CO.

Lestat
06-24-2013, 09:19 PM
Q was a mess here juggling goalies, benching his best players, the passive PK, and butting heads with the front office. Sure the avs were terrible after he left, but he was never going to make a difference here in CO.

cause the FO was morons. that nonsense was more on the FO than Q.
he has his faults but PL was too busy being upset that Q wouldn't toe the line and challenged him on some moves.

If 35 year old Mark ****ing Streit can get 5.25 and 40 year old Sergei Gonchar can get 5m, then it's not physically possible for me to overstate the market.

The market is completely out of control, 24. Have you by chance taken a look at the UFA d-man list? It's crap.....esp among offensive defensemen.

i doubt Letang will net a first. too many teams know the Pens can't afford him without making other major sacrifices.

24champ
06-24-2013, 09:21 PM
If 35 year old Mark ****ing Streit can get 5.25 and 40 year old Sergei Gonchar can get 5m, then it's not physically possible for me to overstate the market.

The market is completely out of control, 24. Have you by chance taken a look at the UFA d-man list? It's crap.....esp among offensive defensemen.

Letang is asking for a lot more than 5 million, and no team is going to trade a first round pick and pick up a 7 mill cap hit. Not with the salary cap going down this year. No sirrreee.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 09:34 PM
cause the FO was morons. that nonsense was more on the FO than Q.
he has his faults but PL was too busy being upset that Q wouldn't toe the line and challenged him on some moves.



i doubt Letang will net a first. too many teams know the Pens can't afford him without making other major sacrifices.

Problem with your argument is that the Pens CAN afford him at 6m just not 7. Most of the defense the next few years will be on ELC so we can definitely pay him 6 a year. It's not like PIT has to dump him. They can offer that extra year that no one else can.....so its not a forgone conclusion that he will go. They can keep him at up to 6.25 or maybe 6.5 at absolute most and still be ok cap wise so long as the cap increases 2m or so a year over the life of the deal...which is a conservative estimate. PIT is aided in this regard by the fact that Crosbys deal at 8.7 AAV is actually a legal form of cap circumvention because its one of those front loaded 12 year deals that are now prohibited but the existing ones were grandfathered into the CBA. He is actually making more than Geno but counts for less.

Beantown Bronco
06-24-2013, 09:40 PM
Congrats Chicago fans.......just got back from the game. Be gentle. I'm going to need some time.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 09:43 PM
Congrats Chicago fans.......just got back from the game. Be gentle. I'm going to need some time.

You guys had a great year..props. :)

bronco militia
06-24-2013, 09:43 PM
cause the FO was morons. that nonsense was more on the FO than Q.
he has his faults but PL was too busy being upset that Q wouldn't toe the line and challenged him on some moves.

Hopefully PL has been muted in the front office, but it still bothers me that he is still an advisor for the franchise.

24champ
06-24-2013, 09:45 PM
Pierre Lebrun thinks Letang isn't get anything less than 7 mill SoCal.

It could be that Shero will get the ball rolling on trade talks if Letang rejects whatever offer might be coming from the Penguins' GM.

And know this, I donít think Letang signs for any less than $7 million a season.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 09:49 PM
Pierre Lebrun thinks Letang isn't get anything less than 7 mill SoCal.

You are forgetting the 8th year. PIT offer of 8 at 6.25 AAV puts more money in Letangs pocket than another teams 7 year offer at 7.00 AAV.

24champ
06-24-2013, 09:53 PM
You are forgetting the 8th year. PIT offer of 8 at 6.25 AAV puts more money in Letangs pocket than another teams 7 year offer at 7.00 AAV.

He could be asking for more than 7 million, and also a NMC. Who knows but sounds like he's playing hardball.

Kid A
06-24-2013, 09:56 PM
Chiiiiicaaaaaaagoooooooo

One of the best finishes to a sports event I've seen, easily goes down as a Top 10 memory as a sports fan. Anyone who watched that series and didn't come away a hockey fan...don't know what to say.

The whole tournament this year, especially the path Boston and Chicago took via the Hawks-Wings and Bruins-Leafs series, was fantastic. Painful exits for quite a few teams, but almost none with anything to be ashamed of. Can't wait for a full season next year.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 09:56 PM
You are right on the NMC. He has asked for that.....and that's been rejected so far.

Kid A
06-24-2013, 10:02 PM
http://i.imgur.com/JJcIMRT.gif

24champ
06-24-2013, 10:06 PM
You are right on the NMC. He has asked for that.....and that's been rejected so far.

Bit of a conundrum for Shero.

I think he pays Letang north of 7 million, and a NMC that doesn't kick in for a short time, and will trade him for a second round pick and prospects before the NMC kicks in. He doesn't really have leverage in this situation.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 10:18 PM
Bit of a conundrum for Shero.

I think he pays Letang north of 7 million, and a NMC that doesn't kick in for a short time, and will trade him for a second round pick and prospects before the NMC kicks in. He doesn't really have leverage in this situation.

1. He won't pay him north of 7.
2. He isn't lacking in leverage. There is a reason Shero has been using first rounders on defensemen, including puck movers, seemingly every single year but one. Cause they knew this day could come and they needed to be ready. There is a glut of high level Dmen in the system exactly because this was forseen. Either something south of 7 will happen or else we will start using that talent we have been drafting. We've got leverage. I'd love to keep Letang but this isn't life or death. It might be for one year but not beyond that.

24champ
06-24-2013, 10:34 PM
1. He won't pay him north of 7.


Letang will get north of 7 mill. That's his starting point.

2. He isn't lacking in leverage. There is a reason Shero has been using first rounders on defensemen, including puck movers, seemingly every single year but one. Cause they knew this day could come and they needed to be ready. There is a glut of high level Dmen in the system exactly because this was forseen. Either something south of 7 will happen or else we will start using that talent we have been drafting. We've got leverage. I'd love to keep Letang but this isn't life or death. It might be for one year but not beyond that.

Everyone knows that Letang will end up getting traded, Shero isn't going to fleece anyone on this. He either resigns Letang or lets Letang walk next season for nothing. Letang has the leverage, not Shero.

SoCalBronco
06-24-2013, 10:41 PM
Letang will get north of 7 mill. That's his starting point.



Everyone knows that Letang will end up getting traded, Shero isn't going to fleece anyone on this. He either resigns Letang or lets Letang walk next season for nothing. Letang has the leverage, not Shero.

Problem with your argument is that GMs have the patience of teen girls. Last year Staal actually publicly rejected our offer before the draft and made it known that he would not stay REGARDLESS of the amount offered cause he wanted to go to Carolina. Everyone and their Mom knew he would sign with Carolina as a FA and we STILL fleeced them.

Even if they don't get something they like at the draft (and they will) things get crazy and everyone overpays at the deadline so he could get moved then.

Old Dude
06-24-2013, 11:34 PM
Congrats to the Hawks. Twice in 4 years!

OrangeSe7en
06-25-2013, 02:53 AM
Gotta give it up to the Blackhawks. They're a juggernaut. I really hope the Avs use them as a model for a rebuild in years to come.

If not for the disallowed goal in game 2, they would have won in 5. They have amazing depth as well as top line talent.

chadta
06-25-2013, 04:01 AM
1st congrats hawks fans, 2nd taxi cab drivers beware, 3rd i feel a little better about how the flyers pissed it away now.

Letang will get north of 7 mill. That's his starting point.

is Letang french for brain campbell ?

Gonna have to agree with 24 on this, you cant ignore cost in a cap world socal, unless of course you are the flyers GM, nobody is going to take him at that hit giving up much. These deals are exactly how teams get stuck with 10 guys with NTC, and NMC, then they wonder why they cant do anything with them.

Lestat
06-25-2013, 07:37 AM
Hopefully PL has been muted in the front office, but it still bothers me that he is still an advisor for the franchise.

It's really in name only though. He's got no real power or say. It was a nice way of brooming him out without firing him officially.

24champ
06-25-2013, 11:12 AM
Now that it's officially the offseason...

Torts set to be the new Vancouver Canucks head coach.

Kiprusoff retires. Leaving the Flames fill a huge void in net.

gyldenlove
06-25-2013, 11:32 AM
Bryzgalov is getting compliance buyout in Philly - let the annual Homer trademadness begin.

Ray Finkle
06-25-2013, 11:46 AM
Now that it's officially the offseason...

Torts set to be the new Vancouver Canucks head coach.

Kiprusoff retires. Leaving the Flames fill a huge void in net.

It's a good fit for Torts in Vancouver.....odd, when was the last time a team "traded" coaches?

gyldenlove
06-25-2013, 11:49 AM
It's a good fit for Torts in Vancouver.....odd, when was the last time a team "traded" coaches?

It has been weird with coaching moves this offseason, for a while the trend was to pick up young head coaches from the AHL or CHL - but so far we have Ruff moving from Buffalo to Dallas, Vignault going from Vancouver to Rangers and Torts going back the other way.

24champ
06-25-2013, 12:36 PM
Bryzgalov is getting compliance buyout in Philly - let the annual Homer trademadness begin.

Another Homer lie, he promised Bryz and his agent that he wouldn't be bought out last week. Just like he told Carter and Richie that they wouldn't be traded. LOL

SoCalBronco
06-25-2013, 12:43 PM
Seems Homer is gonna get Luongo. That should be interesting.

24champ
06-25-2013, 01:44 PM
Seems Homer is gonna get Luongo. That should be interesting.

There's more cap friendly options for Homer. Halak, Reimer etc.

Nobody wants Loungo at that cap hit and age, nobody. Vancouver is going to have to suck it up and buy him out.

chadta
06-25-2013, 02:09 PM
There's more cap friendly options for Homer. Halak, Reimer etc.

Nobody wants Loungo at that cap hit and age, nobody. Vancouver is going to have to suck it up and buy him out.

Homer may want him but even he isn't dumb enough to trade for him. He'll just wait until after he is bought out.

SoCalBronco
06-25-2013, 02:33 PM
Homer may want him but even he isn't dumb enough to trade for him. He'll just wait until after he is bought out.

Yep....he won't trade for him. He will wait for the buyout.

gyldenlove
06-25-2013, 02:46 PM
There's more cap friendly options for Homer. Halak, Reimer etc.

Nobody wants Loungo at that cap hit and age, nobody. Vancouver is going to have to suck it up and buy him out.

I would take him if Vancouver absorbs 33% of his cap hit over the next 3 years. But at his current contract he is pretty untradeable to teams who are not the Islanders.

OrangeSe7en
06-25-2013, 04:17 PM
Since 12/13 is over, should we start a new NHL thread?

24champ
06-25-2013, 04:54 PM
Since 12/13 is over, should we start a new NHL thread?

We usually start a new thread in the fall with predictions and Cindy Crosby bashing.

Ray Finkle
06-25-2013, 04:59 PM
We usually start a new thread in the fall with predictions and Cindy Crosby bashing.

Isn't that the middle and end too?

Oh wait, forgot to bash the tranny stuffer.....

SoCalBronco
06-25-2013, 05:07 PM
Isn't that the middle and end too?

Oh wait, forgot to bash the tranny stuffer.....

Hank?

ROFL!

Ray Finkle
06-25-2013, 05:11 PM
Hank?

ROFL!

We all know MAF and Syndei love the tranny.

24champ
06-25-2013, 05:13 PM
We all know MAF and Syndei love the tranny.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgw1tsm7og1qce3xmo1_500.gif


ROFL!

Ray Finkle
06-25-2013, 05:29 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgw1tsm7og1qce3xmo1_500.gif


ROFL!

LOL!

SoCalBronco
06-25-2013, 05:38 PM
Well played 24

broncosteven
06-25-2013, 06:15 PM
What a freaking end to the season!

I took my daughter over to a friends house, he and I were to get Hawks season tickets the year after Old man Wirtz died. I was the one who told him we should do it and had every thing setup with the sales dept then I was run into proceeded to get nerve damage a couple months later and had to bail on him. He went on to see 2 Finals. Anyway he had us over and talk about a great game!

I am just glad I am not the only one who can finish in 17 seconds!

I told him after the Beantowners went up that I thought it was going to go into overtime, he thought I was crazy and then they tied it after pulling Crawford, they kept the pressure on and were able to close it out 17 seconds and a basement full of 10 adults and 7 kids errupted!

Then my friend busted out his 8 or 10 round firework mortar type thingy in field behind their house. We stayed later than I thought because it was such a stunning win.

It felt the exact opposite of what I felt when we lost vs the Ravens.

Shaw had an epic game playing through pain, Toews could have had a hat trick and the Beaners bad ice hurt them more than helped them.

Great win but then I was woke to a call that a clients server crashed, we had sever weather that night and lightning took out 2 drives in a raid 1 array. Even with surge protection and all, otherwise I would have been on here earlier.

Kid A
06-25-2013, 06:46 PM
What a freaking end to the season!

I took my daughter over to a friends house, he and I were to get Hawks season tickets the year after Old man Wirtz died. I was the one who told him we should do it and had every thing setup with the sales dept then I was run into proceeded to get nerve damage a couple months later and had to bail on him. He went on to see 2 Finals. Anyway he had us over and talk about a great game!

I am just glad I am not the only one who can finish in 17 seconds!

I told him after the Beantowners went up that I thought it was going to go into overtime, he thought I was crazy and then they tied it after pulling Crawford, they kept the pressure on and were able to close it out 17 seconds and a basement full of 10 adults and 7 kids errupted!

Then my friend busted out his 8 or 10 round firework mortar type thingy in field behind their house. We stayed later than I thought because it was such a stunning win.

It felt the exact opposite of what I felt when we lost vs the Ravens.

Shaw had an epic game playing through pain, Toews could have had a hat trick and the Beaners bad ice hurt them more than helped them.

Great win but then I was woke to a call that a clients server crashed, we had sever weather that night and lightning took out 2 drives in a raid 1 array. Even with surge protection and all, otherwise I would have been on here earlier.

Bar I was in hadn't even died down from going crazy over the Bickell goal when everyone looked up to see Bolland throwing his arms in the air. Took most of us a couple seconds to register what had just happened before beer starting spraying in the air. Surreal ending, congrats!

http://i.imgur.com/ahfY6zl.png

Almost forgot to share the new Shaw logo for the Hawks.

broncosteven
06-25-2013, 06:49 PM
Bar I was in hadn't even died down from going crazy over the Bickell goal when everyone looked up to see Bolland throwing his arms in the air. Took most of us a couple seconds to register what had just happened before beer starting spraying in the air. Surreal ending, congrats!

My daughters Bolland Autograph might have just gone up from nothing to a couple dollars.

Bolland took the time at a fan club practice to come over and sign for a ton of kids, not a lot of guys did that and I have been pulling for him ever since. Glad he was the one to get the Cup winning goal.

Tombstone RJ
06-25-2013, 07:37 PM
all I know is Patrick Roy is the coach of the Avs. Seriously, that's it.

Lestat
06-25-2013, 11:40 PM
i'm just curious to see if Florida blinks and gives into our demands for Gudbranson to trade up to #1. they want MacKinnon badly and we've been talking him up like mad.

Mogulseeker
06-25-2013, 11:47 PM
i'm just curious to see if Florida blinks and gives into our demands for Gudbranson to trade up to #1. they want MacKinnon badly and we've been talking him up like mad.

I watched Sakic on Monday night live, and Gary Miller asked him why he didn't want Jones. He goes off for a couple minutes on McKinnon and then he's like "oh and Drouin and Barkov too."

I hope Sakic is bluffing HARD on this, so Florida panics, trades for #1, and we get Jones and another franchise player.

Jones is just a good business decision. He has a chance to open up the Avalanche to a whole new market. I'll just go ahead and say it - it's based on race. Jones could be to the NHL what Peyton Hillis was to running backs, only with elite talent. You already have Jay-Z knocking on his door for a Rocawear endorsement.

bronco militia
06-26-2013, 06:43 AM
Jones is just a good business decision. He has a chance to open up the Avalanche to a whole new market. I'll just go ahead and say it - it's based on race. Jones could be to the NHL what Peyton Hillis was to running backs, only with elite talent. You already have Jay-Z knocking on his door for a Rocawear endorsement.



LOL not enough white people were watching the NFL. thank you Peyton!

DivineLegion
06-26-2013, 08:05 AM
LOL not enough white people were watching the NFL. thank you Peyton!

What he meant to say was, the NHL is overloaded with guys that have high motors, where as the NFL is slacking in the horsepower race. White people are like classic muscle cars, great torch, low top end speed. Peyton was a Chevelle, and he believes we need more classic cars in the NFL street (race) race.

bronco militia
06-26-2013, 08:06 AM
What he meant to say was, the NHL is overloaded with guys that have high motors, where as the NFL is slacking in the horsepower race. White people are like classic muscle cars, great torch, low top end speed.

lol, wut LOL

Lestat
06-26-2013, 09:38 AM
I watched Sakic on Monday night live, and Gary Miller asked him why he didn't want Jones. He goes off for a couple minutes on McKinnon and then he's like "oh and Drouin and Barkov too."

I hope Sakic is bluffing HARD on this, so Florida panics, trades for #1, and we get Jones and another franchise player.

Jones is just a good business decision. He has a chance to open up the Avalanche to a whole new market. I'll just go ahead and say it - it's based on race. Jones could be to the NHL what Peyton Hillis was to running backs, only with elite talent. You already have Jay-Z knocking on his door for a Rocawear endorsement.


the Avs are selling MacKinnon way too hard. we've met with Jones recently(even though it was already a planned visit) and we reportedly still have a high interest in him.
yet if the draft was today and if we were picking #1 we'd pick Nate.
and Roy said our top three draft order is MacKinnon,Drouin and Barkov.
all three are known to be coveted by #2,#3 and #4 in that order.

i'm calling BS. we want Jones but want to trade down to maximize value as we believe he will fall lower.

What he meant to say was, the NHL is overloaded with guys that have high motors, where as the NFL is slacking in the horsepower race. White people are like classic muscle cars, great torch, low top end speed. Peyton was a Chevelle, and he believes we need more classic cars in the NFL street (race) race.

the sad part is... i understood all this LOL