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Blart
09-13-2012, 02:04 PM
Something's very weird about this crap movie.

1) The actors didn't know what it was about - it might be a different movie entirely. All anti-muslim parts are overdubbed with different voices.

2) The entire movie doesn't exist, only the trailers.

3) $5 million is an impossibly high budget for this trash. There are watchable, funny movies (videonasties!) that are made on a budget of $2,000. $5 million is a good indie movie.

4) The "israeli" creator of the movie, Sam Bacile, isn't a real person.



It seems the entire point of releasing these hacked & dubbed clips is to troll Muslim extremists. Odd timing.



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http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/inflammatory-anti-muslim-movie-may-not-be-a-real#HTWF2

The anti-Muslim "movie" that served as the spark or pretext for a wave of violent unrest in Egypt and Libya may not be a movie at all.

As the video above — cut from the YouTube video tied to a global controversy — shows, nearly all of the names in the movie's "trailer" are overdubbed. The video is a compilation of the most clumsily overdubbed moments from what is in reality an incoherent, haphazardly-edited set of scenes. Among the overdubbed words is "Mohammed," suggesting that the footage was taken from a film about something else entirely. The footage also suggests multiple video sources — there are obvious and jarring discrepancies among actors and locations.

However, CNN has reported that the cast and crew disavowed the movie, and the overdubbing could also have been to conceal the content from the cast itself. Gawker interviewed a woman who played a part in the movie, who said that she had had no idea what it was about when she was hired.

As The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg reported today, the supposed filmmaker, "Sam Bacile," appears not to be a real person — or at least not the director of the movie. A consultant to the movie, Steve Klein, told Goldberg that he didn't know Bacile's real name and that he wasn't Israeli as reported.

The person using Bacile's name told the Associated Press and the Wall Street Journal that the film had been made using $5 million from those donors, as well as a sizable crew of 45 people behind the camera and nearly 60 actors. The film's low production values make those numbers risible. Five million dollars is more than the budget of some reputable independent films, and could certainly buy a better production than what went into the Mohammad film.

"We continue to report this story and gather new information to explain the origins of the movie and the individuals behind it," said AP spokesman Paul Colford. "More coverage to follow..."

The film's author is still still unknown, though Florida pastor Terry Jones and Egyptian-American Coptic activist Morris Sadek have been involved in promoting it. Four Americans were killed in Libya in riots tied to the film.

But whoever made may well have made use of little more than the standard editing software Final Cut Pro — far from a cast and crew of over 100 and millions of dollars.

mhgaffney
09-13-2012, 03:09 PM
Israeli Filmmaker in Hiding After Deadly Protests

By Associated Press

September 12, 2012 "AP" -- An Israeli filmmaker based in California went into hiding Tuesday after his movie attacking Islam's Prophet Muhammad sparked angry assaults by ultra-conservative Muslims on U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya, where a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed.

Speaking by phone from an undisclosed location, writer and director Sam Bacile remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that the 56-year-old intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

Protesters angered over Bacile's film opened fire on and burned down the U.S. Consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, killing U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others on Tuesday. In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner.

"This is a political movie," said Bacile. "The U.S. lost a lot of money and a lot of people in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're fighting with ideas."

Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.

"Islam is a cancer, period," he said repeatedly, his solemn voice thickly accented.

The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

The film claims Muhammad was a fraud. An English-language 13-minute trailer on YouTube shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialogue of insults disguised as revelations about Muhammad, whose obedient followers are presented as a cadre of goons.

It depicts Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse, among other overtly insulting claims that have caused outrage.

Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any manner, let alone insult the prophet. A Danish newspaper's 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet triggered riots in many Muslim countries.

Though Bacile was apologetic about Americans who were killed as a result of the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence.

"I feel the security system (at the embassies) is no good," said Bacile. "America should do something to change it."

A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, said the filmmaker is concerned for family members who live in Egypt. Bacile declined to confirm.

Klein said he vowed to help Bacile make the movie but warned him that "you're going to be the next Theo van Gogh." Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam.

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen," Klein said.

Bacile's film was dubbed into Egyptian Arabic by someone he doesn't know, but he speaks enough Arabic to confirm that the translation is accurate. It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera.

The full film has been shown once, to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, said Bacile.

Blart
09-13-2012, 03:33 PM
That's an old article.

Klein has already confirmed that "Sam Bacile" is a pseudonym for a person who is neither jewish nor israeli.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/muhammad-film-consultant-sam-bacile-is-not-israeli-and-not-a-real-name/262290/

mhgaffney
09-13-2012, 03:43 PM
Could be true -- could be disinfo. Too soon to know.

ant1999e
09-13-2012, 04:54 PM
The crap has been on Youtube since July but it doesn't cause a problem until...September 11th? A supposed Israeli Jew made it supposedly funded by a group of Israelis? Sounds like a set up to me. A distraction for a terrorist attack on our Embassies. Maybe we got lucky and Egypt didn't go as planned for the bad guys.

nyuk nyuk
09-13-2012, 05:58 PM
Considering how many anti-Islam vids are on YouTube, I don't know why this one would be singled out for any particular ire. The only unique thing about is that they use actors.

Blart
09-14-2012, 10:28 AM
Vice with some good investigative reporting. It looks like the guy's name is Robert Brownell, and the movie was originally titled Desert Warriors.

http://www.vice.com/read/who-is-alan-roberts-the-director-of-innocence-of-muslims-we-think-his-name-is-robert-brownell


Youtube clip of him being crazy,

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DenverBrit
09-14-2012, 11:03 AM
Latest theories.


Man behind anti-Islam film reportedly is Egyptian-born ex-con
By Michael Isikoff, NBC News

Updated 1:36 a.m. ET: A 55-year-old Egypt-born Coptic Christian man living in the Los Angeles area was a key figure behind the anti-Islam film "Innocence of Muslims," blamed for sparking riots and protests in the Middle East, a federal law enforcement official told NBC News Thursday.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who is on probation after being convicted of financial crimes, also was twice sentenced to jail on drug charges in the late 1990s, the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office said.

Court records show that Nakoula was convicted on federal fraud charges in Los Angeles in 2010. Among the conditions of his probation, Nakoula was barred from using "any online service at any location" without the prior approval of his probation officer, according to a copy of court records in the case.

Meanwhile, a film industry spokesman confirmed that a Duarte, California-based evangelical Christian group called "Media for Christ" received a one day permit last year to make the film, a Los Angeles film official confirms to NBC News.

Media for Christ runs an Arabic language satellite TV station called "Way TV," according to the group's tax returns.

"The Way TV provides its audience with prayers, sermons, and hymns 24/7 to prepare them for Christ's happy and long awaited second coming," the tax returns state.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/13/13842406-man-behind-anti-islam-film-reportedly-is-egyptian-born-ex-con?lite

Garcia Bronco
09-14-2012, 01:08 PM
Latest theories.


Man behind anti-Islam film reportedly is Egyptian-born ex-con
By Michael Isikoff, NBC News




http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/13/13842406-man-behind-anti-islam-film-reportedly-is-egyptian-born-ex-con?lite

that would be tragic and funny if true.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-14-2012, 02:42 PM
Our local news crews have been camped out in front of the dude's house for the past several days waiting for someone to show up.

nyuk nyuk
09-15-2012, 01:56 PM
Frankly, the Islamic world is so unlettered and superstition-prone, they'd be dumb enough to riled up about a stupid video that I could only stomach watching about half of.

If you're going to piss your pants about a video, at least make it something of more quality.

It's possible that Islamist groups selected this out of a sea of videos on YouTube insulting Islam and used it to rile up the local Borg population into rioting, but clearly the attacks themselves were planned and not some spur of the moment thing.

nyuk nyuk
09-15-2012, 01:58 PM
Our local news crews have been camped out in front of the dude's house for the past several days waiting for someone to show up.

Are they still camping outside of the parents of James Homes' house? Those people will be hiding the rest of their lives, I think.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-16-2012, 12:54 AM
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nyuk nyuk
09-16-2012, 11:12 AM
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I'm impressed. For once liberals have the guts to criticize the behavior of a Jew.

:notworthy