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[Rigs11]

Poll: Romney's convention speech gets low marks


By NBC's Mark Murray
A new Gallup poll shows that 38% of national adults rated Mitt Romney’s convention speech as either excellent or good -- that's the lowest percentage since Gallup began tracking this question in 1996. 

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/03/13638602-poll-romneys-convention-speech-gets-low-marks?lite

[Bacchus]

Romney is a tool. No matter what position you believe in at some point in Romney's political career he has agreed with you.

That means he has no moral compass to guide him except for what the polls tell him.

There are few undecided voters now and with the GOP stealing the election in Florida it will come down to Ohio again, sounds just like another broken record.

[ant1999e]

It was a boring speech. I liked Ryan's much better.

[DenverBrit]

Romney is a tool. No matter what position you believe in at some point in Romney's political career he has agreed with you.

That means he has no moral compass to guide him except for what the polls tell him.

There are few undecided voters now and with the GOP stealing the election in Florida it will come down to Ohio again, sounds just like another broken record.
http://mittromneysflipflops.com/wp-content/themes/hdt-newtworld/images/mitt-romney-flip-flop-header.gif
Mitt Romney’s FlipFlops

Flip 1: “Roe v. Wade has gone too far.”
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Flop 1: “I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.”
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Flip 2: “I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.”
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Flop 2: “I never really called myself pro-choice.”
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Flip 3: “I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.”
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Flop 3: “Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability.”
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Flip 4: “It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.”
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Flop 4: “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.”
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Flip 5: “I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.”
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Flop 5: “Ronald Reagan is… my hero.”
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Flip 6: “I will work and fight for stem cell research.”
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Flop 6: “In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.”
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Flip 7: “I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.”
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Flop 7: “There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.”
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Flip 8: “I like mandates. The mandates work.”
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Flop 8: “I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.”
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Flip 9: “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.”
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Flop 9: “I did not see it with my own eyes.”
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Flip 10: “This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.”
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Flop 10: “They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.”
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Flip 11: “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”
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Flop 11: “He’s going to pay, and he will die.”
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Flip 12: “Those… paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship.”
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Flop 12: “Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country.”
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Flip 13: “I’m not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts.”
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Flop 13: “Social Security’s the easiest and that’s because you can give people a personal account.”
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Flip 14: “Based on the numbers of American Muslims… I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified.”
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Flop 14: “A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.”
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Flip 15: “I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering.”
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Flop 15: “I changed my position.”
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Flip 16: “I would like to have campaign spending limits.”
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Flop 16: “The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations.”
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Flip 17: “I supported the assault weapon ban.”
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Flop 17: “I don’t support any gun control legislation.”
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Flip 18: “The TARP program… was nevertheless necessary to keep banks from collapsing in a cascade of failures.”
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Flop 18: “When government is… bailing out banks… we have every good reason to be alarmed.”
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Flip 19: “I’m going to take burdens off the back of the auto industry.”
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Flop 19: “Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.”
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Flip 20: “When I first heard of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, I thought it sounded awfully silly.”
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Flop 20: “‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has worked well.”
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Flip 21: “I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero.”
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Flop 21: “It’s a tax cut for fat cats.”
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Flip 22: “These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress.”
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Flop 22: “Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore.”
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Flip 23: “Relative to the leading candidates, some people see me as being more conservative.”
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Flop 23: “I’m not the most conservative candidate.”
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Flip 24: “It does take a village.”
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Flop 24: “It takes a family.”
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Flip 25: “I don’t line up with the NRA.”
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Flop 25: “I’m a member of the [NRA].”
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Flip 26: “The all-Democrat stimulus that was passed in early 2009 will accelerate the timing of the start of the recovery…”
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Flop 26: “The all-Democrat stimulus passed in early 2009 has been a failure.”
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Flip 27: “…the costs of health care will be reduced.”
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Flop 27: “We were unable to deal with… health care costs in Massachusetts.”
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Flip 28: “If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.”
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Flop 28: “What works in one state may not be the answer for another.”
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Ref sources: http://mittromneysflipflops.com/
http://www.inc.com/uploaded_files/image/575x270/judges-score-cards_pan_20134.jpg

[TonyR]

It was a boring speech. I liked Ryan's much better.

The more dishonesty, the more entertaining. Right?

[SoCalBronco]

Romney is a tool. No matter what position you believe in at some point in Romney's political career he has agreed with you.

That means he has no moral compass to guide him except for what the polls tell him.

There are few undecided voters now and with the GOP stealing the election in Florida it will come down to Ohio again, sounds just like another broken record.

Yes, he is a huge tool and lacks a moral compass, but he's likely a pragmatist at heart, which is all that I'm looking for. I'm still not fully on board, Ryan is what got me to seriously consider the ticket because I know they'll be serious about entitlement reform, but I'm still willing to go either of the 3 ways (Romney, Obama or no-vote). If they could show me some flexibility on taxes and global warming, I'd be alot more enthusiastic in my support. I fully support them on entitlement reform and reducing the size of government. What is important is flexibility and pragmatism to get things done on important policy issues, and making a serious dent in debt issues, not moral compasses, "character" and crap like that.

[orinjkrush]

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/romneys-fair-warning/
These days, political conventions are no longer where the two major parties select their presidential candidates. The selection process purports to be a democratic one, in which the grass roots have the opportunity to choose a candidate through the complicated series of state primaries and caucuses, although the reality is that the grass roots is usually choosing between one and three candidates preapproved by the party establishment.

While in 2008, Barack Obama did manage to upset Hillary Clinton, not even the complete lack of enthusiasm for Mitt Romney on the part of the Republican grass roots was enough to permit any of his nominal competitors for the nomination to effectively compete with him in 2012. While they turned in desperation to options ranging from Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry on the semi-serious side to Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich on the overtly ridiculous one, none of them had any hope of succeeding against a party establishment determined to put forward a principle-free investment banker with executive hair.

It cannot be reasonably disputed that Barack Obama has been a travesty, an embarrassment and a disaster as a president. If the Republicans had nominated a Ken doll to run against him, the doll would probably win in a landslide. Unfortunately, Mitt Romney is more plastic and less principled than Barbie’s trusty companion, which is why he is barely leading in the national polls against a president presiding over an economy that is actually worse, by some important metrics, than the Great Depression.

This doesn’t mean that Mitt Romney won’t win the election in November. I fully expect him to do so, even though Nate Silver of the New York Times is now giving Obama a 73.1 percent chance of winning the Electoral College. Silver also asserted that the convention will “produce only a modest bounce in the polls for Mitt Romney.”

But even if it didn’t provide a big boost in the opinion polls, the Republican National Convention did provide Americans with extraordinarily important information about Mitt Romney and the sort of leader he is likely to be. Unfortunately, for Romney, that information was very different than the message that he was hoping to send over the course of the vibrant and heavily scripted convention in Tampa.

What we learned from the convention is that Mitt Romney is a dictator who expects obedience and does not tolerate even the mere appearance of dissent. More ominously, he is also a rules lawyer who is more than willing to smash the spirit of the game while rewriting its rules any time it appears to suit his interests. From keeping important party figures such as Ron Paul and Sarah Palin off the podium to refusing to recognize the duly-elected delegates from Maine, from changing the party rules on the fly to indulging in a Soviet-style vote count in which only votes for Romney were reported, it is clear that Mitt Romney is even more inclined toward authoritarian rule than Barack Obama has ever shown himself to be.

It is deeply ironic that paranoid Republicans, who suspect Obama of secretly planning to circumvent the law in order to rule the country with an iron fist, should turn to Mitt Romney to save them when Romney has already shown his ready willingness to do the very thing they fear. Romney’s ruthless actions at the Republican convention show every sign that in turning to him, America will be jumping out of the frying pan and right into the fire.

When attempting to understand what truly motivates an individual, it is always important to pay more attention to his actions than to his words. This is particularly true in the case of Mitt Romney, whose words are often in direct contradiction to those he has uttered in the past. In this light, perhaps we should appreciate Mitt Romney’s dictatorial actions at the Republican National Convention, as they have provided America with a fair warning about the kind of president he is likely to be.

[Mr.Meanie]

Unfortunately, Mitt Romney is more plastic and less principled than Barbie’s trusty companion, which is why he is barely leading in the national polls against a president presiding over an economy that is actually worse, by some important metrics, than the Great Depression.

Wait, is he really saying the economy right now is worse than the great depression? Which "important metrics" is he basing that off of?

[Crushaholic]

More people are discussing Eastwood's speech, than Romney's speech. The RNC made a bad mistake, by closing the convention with a comedy bit...

[barryr]

As we all know, liberals are more impressed on speeches and looks than substance since democrats are great at sounding good, but can't back it up with any actions. For liberals, perception is more important than reality.

[DenverBrit]

More people are discussing Eastwood's speech, than Romney's speech. The RNC made a bad mistake, by closing the convention with a comedy bit...

I'm not sure anyone was ready for that mess.....including Eastwood. :)

[SoCalBronco]

More people are discussing Eastwood's speech, than Romney's speech. The RNC made a bad mistake, by closing the convention with a comedy bit...

This is true, although in the big scheme of things, by the end of the campaign, what happens at the conventions by and large has no effect on the final outcome (I can think of only two occasions in the last 12 elections where it could be reasonably said to have some bearing on the outcome).

The election will be determined by largely the following things: 1) The state of the economy in general 2) A related factor, which is gas prices 3) The effect of any foreign crises in the interim that may arise in the Eurozone or the Middle East 4) The degree of difference between the campaigns in terms of spending in swing states.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

As we all know, liberals are more impressed on speeches and looks than substance since democrats are great at sounding good, but can't back it up with any actions. For liberals, perception is more important than reality.

All we have to do is compare Clinton's presidency with that of your hero Chimpy McFlightsuit to show you are full of crap.

[Jetmeck]

It was a boring speech. I liked Ryan's much better.

Suits you well since his speech was so full of lies and has been called out by even some republicans.

[Jetmeck]

As we all know, liberals are more impressed on speeches and looks than substance since democrats are great at sounding good, but can't back it up with any actions. For liberals, perception is more important than reality.

Yeah stupid is stupid and gullible is gullible and you refuse to take responsibility for your party's trashing the economy and obstruction anything to help which makes you a poor excuse of a man.

[Fedaykin]

Poll: Romney's convention speech gets low marks


By NBC's Mark Murray
A new Gallup poll shows that 38% of national adults rated Mitt Romney’s convention speech as either excellent or good -- that's the lowest percentage since Gallup began tracking this question in 1996. 

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/03/13638602-poll-romneys-convention-speech-gets-low-marks?lite


Well, I guess that means only 38% of the population is idiotic enough to believe blatantly false rags to riches stories and the typical wingnut clap trap.

[TonyR]

It cannot be reasonably disputed that Barack Obama has been a travesty, an embarrassment and a disaster as a president.

I'm not surprised at this sentiment given the source. I'm just curious if anyone can explain why/how he's been such a "travesty", "embarrassment", and "disaster". I don't think he's done that great of a job, but considering the circumstances I don't think he's been nearly as bad as such right wing propaganda makes him out to be.

[SoCalBronco]

Props to Tony for doing something other than merely quoting an article.

[ant1999e]

I'm not surprised at this sentiment given the source. I'm just curious if anyone can explain why/how he's been such a "travesty", "embarrassment", and "disaster". I don't think he's done that great of a job, but considering the circumstances I don't think he's been nearly as bad as such right wing propaganda makes him out to be.

I appreciate and respect your honesty. He hasn't been a complete failure but I feel he wasn't ready/qualified for the position. ACA was mistimed. Instead, he should have focused on jobs and the economy. The added costs for businesses from ACA and the threat of higher taxes IMO helped stall the economy and hiring. I also dislike the class warfare tactics. Counter productive at a time when the country needed to work together. He didn't get much help from congress but that went both ways. They're all too busy scoring political points for their next election.

[ant1999e]

Props to Tony for doing something other than merely quoting an article.

And no name calling, nice.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And no name calling, nice.

Because you never engage in name-calling... ::)

[ant1999e]

Because you never engage in name-calling... ::)

Shyt, I love name calling you dickhead.:~ohyah!:

[barryr]

Yeah stupid is stupid and gullible is gullible and you refuse to take responsibility for your party's trashing the economy and obstruction anything to help which makes you a poor excuse of a man.

Could say the same about you, so that accomplished a lot.

[TonyR]

I appreciate and respect your honesty. He hasn't been a complete failure but I feel he wasn't ready/qualified for the position. ACA was mistimed. Instead, he should have focused on jobs and the economy. The added costs for businesses from ACA and the threat of higher taxes IMO helped stall the economy and hiring. I also dislike the class warfare tactics. Counter productive at a time when the country needed to work together. He didn't get much help from congress but that went both ways. They're all too busy scoring political points for their next election.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of this. But the hyperbolic bashing started from day 1. He's up against not only a horrible U.S. economy but a horrible world economy, wars, and a GOP congress that opposes everything he does. He was completely set up to fail. I think he's done about as good as can be expected given the no-win situation he's faced. What you have to do is consider the alternative for the next 4 years and decide whether or not it's a better one. And I can't talk myself into Romney/Ryan being any kind of improvement. And any chance they had of convincing me otherwise was squandered at the convention. They offered practically no policy details and, particularly in the case of Ryan, were disgustingly dishonest. I just can't support that. I know it's hard for many to stomach that Obama is our best choice, but IMO that's exactly the rock and the hard place we're between.

[TonyR]

Props to Tony for doing something other than merely quoting an article.

You ought to read some of those articles. Always good to consider the perspectives of others, particularly those of people who know a lot more about the subject than you do. Which is the case with most every article I post.

[peacepipe]

I'm not surprised at this sentiment given the source. I'm just curious if anyone can explain why/how he's been such a "travesty", "embarrassment", and "disaster". I don't think he's done that great of a job, but considering the circumstances I don't think he's been nearly as bad as such right wing propaganda makes him out to be.

birther sites aren't exactly known for fact based opinions.

[TonyR]

birther sites aren't exactly known for fact based opinions.

wnd is all kinds of awful, and it's damning that the article linked pretty much says that Romney is worse than Obama!

[cutthemdown]

I'm not surprised at this sentiment given the source. I'm just curious if anyone can explain why/how he's been such a "travesty", "embarrassment", and "disaster". I don't think he's done that great of a job, but considering the circumstances I don't think he's been nearly as bad as such right wing propaganda makes him out to be.

Obamacare is that big of a joke. He sold us all our to the lobbyists of the pharmacuetical and insurance industry. The vast majority of doctors agree. Who do you trust more doctors or politicians?

[TonyR]

Obamacare is that big of a joke.

Something has to be done about health care, and as flawed as it is it's a start. Hopefully changes can be made over time to improve it. But can't do nothing which is what would likely happen under Romney. If the GOP would have participated and cooperated perhaps things could have been better.

And there are a lot of issues beyond healthcare. Heck, even some of the right wing wackos at WND know that Romney is worse than Obama.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/romneys-fair-warning/&sa=U&ei=s0xGUKO-GOmw2wXp34DQDA&ved=0CBIQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHJWjsDMJzjqhO5dqh3xypuKNp_CQ