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mhgaffney
08-18-2012, 01:47 PM
Homeland Security finishing acquisition of millions of rounds of high-powered ammo

Published: 13 August, 2012, 20:17
Edited: 13 August, 2012, 20:17

http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-ammo-rounds-security-560/print/

The Department of Homeland Security is rushing to finish the acquisition of 750 million rounds of high-power ammunition that has already raised many eyebrows. In one week, the DHS should start expecting an arsenal that will make some armies jealous.

The DHS has updated a solicitation originally posted on the Federal Business Opportunities website earlier this year, now answering questions from prospective contractors about an inquiry the agency published back in April. All responses to the DHS’ request for hundreds of millions of rounds of high-power ammunition must still be sent in by August 20, but now the federal agency designated to thwart terrorism on the home front has answered some questions about what exactly they are looking for in terms of being able to blow stuff up.

In April, the DHS first published a solicitation “for commercial leaded training ammunition (CLTA) of various calibers for law enforcement officer firearms training courses” to be used at facilities in the states of Georgia, New Mexico, Maryland and South Carolina, as well as other unnamed DHS offices across the country. At the time the DHS demanded hundreds of thousands of test rounds for an array of ammunition types, including 209,000 rounds of #00 buckshot 8-pellet bullets for 12 gauge guns and more than 2 million shots for a .357 Sig Caliber. With their solicitation set to expire in less than a week, though, the DHS has taken it upon themselves to answer questions from contractors interested in their very pricey proposal.

In the latest amendment, published online over the weekend, the DHS answers such pressing questions as, say, “Would a 223 Rem 64Grain soft point round be acceptable?” in response to their initial request for 1.1 million rounds of .223 Rem Caliber 62.64 Grain JHP. (And, if you’re wondering, the official DHS-authored answer is, “Yes, that would be acceptable.”)
The DHS does not, however, answer why exactly they want to give its federal agents tasked with counterterrorism around 750 million rounds of ammo. On paper the proposal says their request is to fulfill training exercise requirements, but why is the DHS equipping their officers with the know-how to shoot a basketball-size hole in a human body?

And for those not keeping score, already this year the DHS has asked for upwards of 150 sets of full-body armor specifically to prepare law enforcement for any protests at the 2012 Democratic and Republican National Conventions, the 2013 Presidential Inauguration and other events of national significance. Oh, and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano has admitted that she wants the agency to accumulate more surveillance drones to conduct domestic surveillance for the sake of “public safety.”

But don’t worry: millions of rounds of high-powered ammo, stealth surveillance craft and an army of heavily armored federal agents is all for your own security.

According to the 2001 Executive Order that established the DHS signed by then-President George W Bush, the agency “will coordinate the executive branch's efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States.”

mhgaffney
08-18-2012, 01:49 PM
Something big must be up.

BroncsRule
08-18-2012, 02:36 PM
Oh yeah - something's up all right - it's near the end of the Fiscal Year, and those pukes haven't spent all their money. They have money left over in the '12 budget and it's "use it or lose it" time..

That's it. Not a very thrilling conspiracy, I know, but - the truth usually is boring.

W*GS
08-18-2012, 03:14 PM
gaffe, what's Venus?

Fedaykin
08-18-2012, 03:23 PM
That's not a whole lot of ammo. The DHS employes tens of thousands of law enforcement/military members (USSS, Coast Guard, Customs/Border, FPS, etc.)

Between the Coast Guard (40,000 active duty + 40,000 reserve/aux) and Customs/Border (45,000 active duty) patrol and FPS (1,200 active duty), and USSS (4,400 active duty), you're talking 130,000 law enforcement/military personnel. 750,000,000 rounds equates to around 5-6,000 rounds/person (and the above doesn't include all the law/military enforcement officers the DHS employs).

That's not an unreasonable amount of ammo for training for around one year. I burn through at least a couple thousand rounds a year just for recreation.

Also, the DHS runs the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which does training (including lots of firearms training) for around 90 agencies (federal, state, local, etc.). Include all the people training there and they probably burn though that much ammo in months -- just for training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Law_Enforcement_Training_Center

mhgaffney
08-18-2012, 04:15 PM
I disagree.

750 million rounds is a lot of ammo.

Rohirrim
08-18-2012, 04:16 PM
I think they're planning on taking out Iran.

Fedaykin
08-18-2012, 04:20 PM
I disagree.

750 million rounds is a lot of ammo.

^Translates as "nu-uh!

Pretty much the "quality" of response I've come to expect from idiots like you.

W*GS
08-18-2012, 04:42 PM
gaffe probably thinks two shots, plus a little extra, for every American.

Or 10 shots per Iranian.

mhgaffney
08-18-2012, 04:51 PM
750 million rounds would be enough to take out every black, Mexican, Asian and otherwise minority American -- with hundreds of millions of rounds left to spare.

It would also be enuf to take out every dissenter, peace activist, labor organizer, feminist and radical environmentalist -- with hundreds of millions of rounds to spare.

The real question you clowns never ask -- is how we came to have Homeland Security in the first place?

What is it good for? HS certainly was not created to stop Al Qaeda. As we know, the US is actually funding/supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

Nor was HS created to stop terrorism in the US. The only foreign terrorist incidents we have had were staged with the help of the FBI!

So who needs HS?

No, it was created for one purpose: to crush dissent here in the US of A. When the time comes. (Just around the corner.)

MHG

W*GS
08-18-2012, 04:58 PM
Thanks for taking the bait, gaffe.

http://freespace.virgin.net/shaun.mccree/Paulus/fishanim.gif

You'll be one of the ones pulling the trigger, too - since you hate America so much.

The Lone Bolt
08-18-2012, 05:00 PM
Well when that happens I'll be OK. I plan on using Gaffney as a human shield.

Fedaykin
08-18-2012, 05:02 PM
750 million rounds would be enough to take out every black, Mexican, Asian and otherwise minority American -- with hundreds of millions of rounds left to spare.

It would also be enuf to take out every dissenter, peace activist, labor organizer, feminist and radical environmentalist -- with hundreds of millions of rounds to spare.

The real question you clowns never ask -- is how we came to have Homeland Security in the first place?

What is it good for? HS certainly was not created to stop Al Qaeda. As we know, the US is actually funding/supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

Nor was HS created to stop terrorism in the US. The only foreign terrorist incidents we have had were staged with the help of the FBI!

So who needs HS?

No, it was created for one purpose: to crush dissent here in the US of A. When the time comes. (Just around the corner.)

MHG

Coast Guard
Border Patrol
Federal Police
Secret Service
86 other federal and state law enforcement agencies who train at DHS facilities.

Are you going to sit there like a ****ing idiot and pretend those organizations don't have a legit need for ammunition as part of training?

You're a ****ing clown.

theAPAOps5
08-18-2012, 05:45 PM
Idiots like you make them nervous.

DenverBrit
08-18-2012, 06:22 PM
I disagree.

750 million rounds is a lot of ammo.

What is it with you and Russian propaganda and misinformation??

Was the truth....450 million rounds maximum, not enough of a sinister story? And you're kinda slow, this was interesting in March, when it was first reported.

ATK producing ammo for Homeland Security

ANOKA, Minn., March 13 (UPI) -- As many as 450 million rounds of .40-caliber ammunition are being produced for U.S. government agencies by ATK of Minnesota.

The order comes under an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for HST bullets.

"We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40-caliber duty ammunition for (Homeland Security), ICE," said Ron Johnson, president of ATK's Security and Sporting group. "The HST is a proven design that will continue to serve those who keep our borders safe."

ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet. The HST is a hollow-point round that holds its jacket even after passing through barriers.

ATK said the contract features a 12-month base performance period and four option years. The ammunition will be produced at the Federal Cartridge Company facility in Anoka, Minn., with deliveries of the rounds to begin in June.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2012/03/13/ATK-producing-ammo-for-Homeland-Security/UPI-91311331656764/

DenverBrit
08-18-2012, 06:24 PM
750 million rounds would be enough to take out every black, Mexican, Asian and otherwise minority American -- with hundreds of millions of rounds left to spare.

It would also be enuf to take out every dissenter, peace activist, labor organizer, feminist and radical environmentalist -- with hundreds of millions of rounds to spare.

The real question you clowns never ask -- is how we came to have Homeland Security in the first place?

What is it good for? HS certainly was not created to stop Al Qaeda. As we know, the US is actually funding/supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

Nor was HS created to stop terrorism in the US. The only foreign terrorist incidents we have had were staged with the help of the FBI!

So who needs HS?

No, it was created for one purpose: to crush dissent here in the US of A. When the time comes. (Just around the corner.)

MHG

LOL Gaff swallows hook line and sinker!!

cutthemdown
08-18-2012, 09:53 PM
Oh my god. There are what almost 300 million Americans. And they are asking for 750 million rounds. Oh my god. Look at the math. The plan on shooting all of us more then once. By my calculations some of us can plan on being shot 3 times. Hopefully there really is 200 million illegals. Maybe some of those bullets are for them.

Thanks Gaff for telling us about this. Now we can get prepared.

Rohirrim
08-18-2012, 10:02 PM
I think Gaffo is a counter agent sent out by the FBI to confuse us with disinfo.

Garcia Bronco
08-19-2012, 06:20 AM
Gaffo missed the boat. The conspiracy here is that iBama is trying to drive up the price of ammo.

Pony Boy
08-19-2012, 07:16 AM
Just another one of Obama’s bailout programs, its job security for the ammunition industry …….. Also great to sell to the Mexican Drug Cartel when you need quick cash for a Homeland security retreat in Vegas. (no paper trail)

mhgaffney
08-19-2012, 03:18 PM
What you clowns refuse to face is the fact that we are a police state. Check out this breaking story. An Iraqi vet has just been arrested for the crime of criticizing the government. He has been stripped of his rights and is now sitting in a mental hospital.
MHG

Veteran arrested by FBI and Secret Service for Facebook posts

VETERAN ARRESTEDAUGUST 17, 2012BY: CHRISTOPHER COLLINS

http://www.examiner.com/article/veteran-arrested-by-fbi-and-secret-service-for-non-violent-facebook-posts?cid=rss

mhgaffney
08-19-2012, 03:19 PM
This case may be a trial balloon - to see if the American people will allow it. If enough people raise hell -- they will back off.

W*GS
08-19-2012, 03:23 PM
What you clowns refuse to face is the fact that we are a police state.

No, we're not.

When was America really America, in your opinion?

Check out this breaking story. An Iraqi vet has just been arrested for the crime of criticizing the government. He has been stripped of his rights and is now sitting in a mental hospital.

Not quite breaking. But he appears to be a troofer, and that's enough for gaffe.

mhgaffney
08-20-2012, 02:15 PM
I've answered this question before:
(When was America really America, in your opinion?)

The US had a rare one time and never to be repeated historical opportunity after WW II -- an opportunity we botched big time.

I'll post this again:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18585.htm

cutthemdown
08-20-2012, 02:29 PM
Holy cow I listened to the whole think and still they don't report what he said on his facebook page. What crappy reporting.

Obushma
08-20-2012, 02:53 PM
Holy cow I listened to the whole think and still they don't report what he said on his facebook page. What crappy reporting.

There is a 23 page discussion going on over at RonPaulForums about this very subject, pretty ****ing scary, throw the 1st amendment out the window.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YaE5zChbC5w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

and the footage of the jackboots coming to get him.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nLpChd1-8Q4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

mhgaffney
08-20-2012, 04:30 PM
PCR has some scathing remarks about the issues posted on this thread. Why are various agencies of the US government ordering thousands of rounds of hollow-pointed ammo? These bullets have only one purpose: to kill people.

Idiots like W*gs who repeat the mantra that "no we do not have a police state" need to explain why Obama has refused to restore habeas corpus and posse comitatus. They need to explain the rapid growth of Homeland Security -- even though no terrorist attacks have occurred on US soil since 9/11, except, that is, for incidents staged by the FBI.

It's clear the US government is preparing to put down with force anticipated political protests against economic , financial and military polices that are arguably insane.

MHG

Amerika’s Future is Death

By Paul Craig Roberts

"The day we see truth and do not speak is the day we begin to die." - Martin Luther King

August 20, 2012 "Information Clearing House" ---- Conspiracy theories have now blossomed into what the smug presstitute media calls a “conspiracy culture.” According to the presstitutes, Americans have to find some explanation for their frustrations and failings, so Americans shift the blame to the Bilderbergers, the Rothschilds, the New World Order and so forth and so on.

Readers will not be surprised that I disagree with the presstitutes. Indeed, the conspiracy culture is the product of the presstitute media’s failure to investigate and to report truthfully. I am certain that the Western media is worse than the Soviet media was. The Soviet media devised ways for helping the public to read between the lines, whereas the Western media is so proud to be confidants of the government that they deliver the propaganda without any clues to the readers that it is propaganda.

Americans have been fed lies by “their” government and the government’s presstitute media for so long that it is not surprising that Americans increasingly believe that there is a conspiracy operating against them. Millions of Americans have been evicted from their jobs, careers, and homes while the crooks who stole from them run free and bankroll the presidential candidates. The world as millions of Americans knew it has come to an end, and no one has been held accountable. The explanation that Americans get from the media is that it is their own fault. They bought houses they shouldn’t have bought, and they didn’t train for the right jobs. It is not unreasonable for Americans to conclude that a conspiracy is operating against them.

Americans are told that “their” government cannot afford to help them because of the budget deficit and the burden on our grandchildren. But Americans see the trillions of dollars that are lavished on banksters, on wars, and on Homeland Security. Why is a police state and another attack on another Muslim country more important than keeping Americans in their jobs and in their homes?

The 11th anniversary of 9/11 is less than a month away. Will the presstitute media remind Americans that the government has spent $6 trillion of Americans’ money in out-of-pocket and already incurred future costs as the expense of invading and trying to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, all to no effect except to enrich the managements and shareholders of the military security complex at the cost of destroying the reputation of the United States and putting Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block?

No, of course not. The spiel will be about our brave troops who are fighting and dying to make the world safe for democracy and women’s rights. Washington will wrap itself in the flag and exhort Americans to “support our troops” in the orchestrated war of the day. Hitlery Clinton still gets on the moral high horse and rails at China and Russia, but all the world sees is hypocrisy. No one, not even Washington’s puppet governments, any longer takes Washington’s moralizing as anything more than a mask for domination by force alone. Democracy, Washington declares, comes out of the barrel of a gun.

Today moralizing is all about money, but not for the 99%. The 99% cannot find good jobs or earn anything on their savings, because the economy is run for the 1%. University graduates cannot get jobs and pay off their student loans. Retraining for the millions of Americans whose jobs were shipped offshore or filled by foreigners brought in on H1-B visas has proved to be a fraud, as there are no jobs for the retrained displaced long-term discouraged American work force. The official jobs projection by the US government is that few university graduates are needed in the work force, so the old mantra that “education is the answer” is just another lie from the Ivy League economic departments who sell the establishment’s lies for money.

Any American citizen accustomed to travel America’s “wide open spaces” prior to 9/11 must be astonished by the sudden rise of the intrusive Homeland Security, a gestapo-sounding name if there ever was one. Porno-scans and genital feel-ups have spread from airports to bus and train stations and to the public highways, despite the absence of terrorist events. No one in their right mind could possibly think that a 90-year old grandmother in a wheel chair is a terrorist whose diaper needs to be checked or that blond and blue-eyed parents would have strapped a bomb around their 5-year old daughter’s waist. No one except the gestapo Department of Homeland Security.

Even some of the gullible flag-waving patriotic conservatives are beginning to wonder about all the security. The reports that the Department of Homeland Security has ordered 750 million rounds of people-killing ammunition are puzzling even those conservatives who have been taking vicarious pleasure in the slaughter of “towelheads.”

Why does the Department of Homeland Security need enough ammunition to shoot every American 2.5 times? Why is Homeland Security equipping itself with full-body armor? Why is Homeland Security acquiring new laser technology that can “instantly know everything about you from 164 feet away?” A new army manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” describes how the military is to be used domestically within the US to put down protests, confiscate firearms and kill citizens.

The police state that is being constructed in “freedom and democracy” America is without parallel in history. When the only terrorists are dupes organized by the FBI, it is clear that the purpose of the police state is not to protect Americans from Muslim terrorists. The purpose of the police state is to terrorize US citizens.

It is not only Homeland Security that is being militarized. The government reported that a large ammunition order was made by the National Weather Service, later updated to have been the Fisheries Office. If you are surprised at this, why has the Social Security Administration ordered 174,000 rounds of hollow-point bullets?

Lists of Homeland Security’s ammunition order are available online. Clearly, it is not ammunition for target practice. It is ammunition for killing people: hollow-point bullets for the military rifle, the M-16. Match grade bullets for .308 sniper rifles. 12 gauge shotgun buckshot and slug ammunition. Hollow-point bullets for .357 magnum and .40 caliber pistols.

As there have been no terrorist attacks in the US since the 9/11 attack (itself suspect by experts), except for those organized by the FBI, this massive purchase of firepower is obviously not to protect Americans from Muslim terrorists. So what is it for?

Perhaps this film explains what is in store for the American people who trusted “their” government. War protestors and critics of the government are being redefined as “domestic extremists” who can be arrested for aiding and abetting the enemies of the United States. If Americans wake up to the fact that they are being dispossessed economically, politically, and socially, while Washington is leading them into World War III, and take to the streets in protest, they will encounter extreme military force.

The liberal-left is even more delusional than the flag-waving conservatives. No matter what the government does, conservatives will come down on the government’s side. This is because conservatives confuse patriotism with support for the government, not with defense of the Constitution, a suspect document that coddles criminals, terrorists, and war protesters who cause America to lose wars. The liberal-left regards Obama with his half-black origin as a member of the oppressed class, personages endowed by the liberal-left with higher morality. The liberal-left continues to regard Obama as the redeemer even as Obama sits in the Oval Office approving lists of American citizens to be executed without due process of law. Not even Naomi Wolf can wake up the liberal-left.

Do not expect Congress or the presstitutes to do anything about the rapid concentration of power in the police state that Bush and Obama have created. Do not expect to be rescued by federal courts. Even if some judges are inclined to defend the Constitution from its domestic enemy, the courts are powerless if the executive branch does not respect the rule of law. Currently, the executive branch is ignoring a federal judge’s injunction against the indefinite detention of US citizens. The Department of Justice (sic) lawyers will not even answer the judge’s questions.

A gullible population is helpless if government decides to enslave the people. It is child’s play for government to discredit a people’s natural leaders and those who provide the people with accurate information. Most Americans have a very small knowledge base and very large ideological preconceptions. Consequently, they cannot tell fiction from fact.

Consider the case of Julian Assange. When the US government, angry that WikiLeaks had published leaked documents that revealed the mendacity and deceit of Washington, first struck out at Assange, support for Assange was almost universal. Then Washington put out the story on the Internet that Assange was an intelligence agent working for the CIA or the even more hateful Mossad. Both leftwing and rightwing Internet sites fell for the obvious lie. Here we have gullibility on the level with those who believed Stalin’s charge that Bukharin was a capitalist agent.

Once the libel of Assange began, it over-rode his clearance by the Swedish prosecutor’s office of sexual complaints made by the two women who seduced him. Seeing Assange on the ropes, a female prosecutor reopened the closed case, many believe at Washington’s urging. Feminists jumped in, demanding that Assange be punished for his seduction by women as he had obviously tricked or coerced them in some way.

It was like Dominique Strauss-Kahn all over again. Falsely accused of sexually assaulting a New York hotel maid, the Director of the International Monetary Fund, chased on two continents by celebrity-hunting women, was knocked out of the race for the French presidency and had to resign his IMF position. The New York police, trained by decades of feminist propaganda to regard every sex charge brought by a women as the absolute truth, were made to look foolish and incompetent when clear evidence emerged that the charge was fabricated in order to extract money from Strauss-Kahn and possibly in order to knock him out of contention for the French presidency.

Many websites and normally reliable commentators were taken in by the false story. The Washington hegemons and their presstitute media have been even more successful in fooling Americans about terrorist attacks, Osama bin Laden, the Taliban, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Syria, and Iran. What is astonishing is the fact that there have not been any attacks on America, despite the enormous provocations Washington has provided by murdering as many as one million Muslims, destroying three Muslim countries, conducting military operations against seven Muslim countries and preparing an attack on an eighth--Iran.

The President of Russia, whose thermo-nuclear ballistic missiles can remove the US from the face of the earth, stated for all the world to hear that Washington has the entire world in fear of its hegemonic drive. “No one feels safe,” said Putin. And certainly not the Russians with American missile bases on their borders and a Washington-funded disloyal and traitorous political “opposition” which serves as Washington’s fifth column inside Russia.

America, Putin acknowledged, wants to rule the world. But Washington is not going to rule Russia and China. If the current White House moron keeps his promise to Israeli prime minister Netanyahu that the US will attack Iran next June if Iran does not close down its nuclear energy program (a non-weapons program permitted to Iran as a signatory of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty), the White House will have opened the door to World War III. In such a war the US would not be immune from attack as it was in WW I and WW II. This time America could disappear in nuclear holocaust. If any of the world survives, people will be thankful for Washington’s removal from the scene.

Death is what “your” government in Washington, both Republicans and Democrats, are bringing you. Both parties are driven by the neoconservatives who believe that American hegemony over the world is worth nuclear war to accomplish. If these dangerous ideologues continue to prevail, life on earth has a very short-run prospect.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. www.paulcraigroberts.org/

mhgaffney
08-20-2012, 04:33 PM
Social Security Administration To Purchase 174 Thousand Rounds Of Hollow Point Bullets

http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/

Mecklomaniac
08-20-2012, 06:19 PM
I don't buy most of the conspiracy theory stuff. It is plausible that a bunch of fed departs are going on a spending spree, blowing budget so they don't lose budget.

I do question though why so many Fed departments/ agencies have their own armed law enforcement. (Homeland Security, ICE, Border Patrol, ATF, Air Marshals,TSA, Secret Service, Federal Protective Service, DEA, FBI, US Marshals, Bureau of Prisons, State Dept Diplomatic Security Service, NOAA, IRS, Treasury IG, Mint Police, Pentagon Force Protection Agency, Coast Guard Police, Coast Guard Investigative, Depart of Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Army Investigative, Army MP, Air Force Special Investigations, Air Force Security, Air Force Police, NCIS, Naval Intel Police, Marine Corp Provost Marshals, Depart of Education IG, FDA, USDA, US Forest Service, Bureau of Indian Affairs, Nat Parks Service Rangers, US Park Police, Land Management Law Enforce and Security, US Fish and Wildlife, CIA, Federal Reserve Police, Library of Congress, NSA, Capitol Police, Post Office Inspection Service, VA Police, Supreme Court Police, Probation Service, Amtrak Police, Smithsonian Police, Social Security Admin.)

Sounds like Pres Obama already has a civilian army as well funded and staffed as the military. :poke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw

Meck77
03-13-2013, 06:28 PM
So go try finding some 22LR or 9mm. Not available. Flat out not available in America at the moment.

So something that has been so readily available just isn't anymore.

Fedaykin
03-13-2013, 07:25 PM
So go try finding some 22LR or 9mm. Not available. Flat out not available in America at the moment.

So something that has been so readily available just isn't anymore.


The problem is hoarding by paranoid ****s, and more hording by non paranoid ****s who grab anything they can when it shows up because everyone else is hoarding.

Go to any ammo/gun store and ask the guy. What's happening? A shipment comes in of X, and within hours it's all gone because they get a rush of people buying anything and everything they can.

I've been trying to pick up some cheap rifle bullets for some reloads, and have been checking Midway every day. About once a week a batch of some brand shows up, is in stock for a few hours, and then gets cleaned out.

Meck77
03-13-2013, 07:53 PM
The problem is hoarding by paranoid ****s, and more hording by non paranoid ****s who grab anything they can when it shows up because everyone else is hoarding.

Go to any ammo/gun store and ask the guy. What's happening? A shipment comes in of X, and within hours it's all gone because they get a rush of people buying anything and everything they can.

I've been trying to pick up some cheap rifle bullets for some reloads, and have been checking Midway every day. About once a week a batch of some brand shows up, is in stock for a few hours, and then gets cleaned out.

I'm sure there is some hoarding going on but my brother in law is a gun dealer. The government is in fact buying massive amounts up. He thinks it could be 10 months before big brother is done getting theirs first.

baja
03-13-2013, 08:39 PM
ACTUALLY IT'S OVER 2 BILLION ROUNDS OF HOLLOW POINT BULLETS

Associated Press Whitewashes Controversy Over Feds Buying Ammunition

Story completely ignores DHS purchase of 1.4 billion bullets
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, September 5, 2012
The Associated Press has launched a whitewash of the recent controversy which saw numerous different branches of the federal government purchase large quantities of ammunition, focusing on the Social Security Administration’s purchase of 174,000 bullets while completely ignoring a far larger purchase by the DHS which totaled over 1.4 billion bullets.

In a story entitled Social Security buys 174,000 hollow-point bullets; Internet bursts with conspiracy theories, which was carried by dozens of major newspapers, the AP quotes an Infowars.com story from last month which reported on the SSA’s purchase of 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets scheduled to be delivered to 41 locations across the country.
“It’s not outlandish to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest,” we wrote, making reference to a Department of Homeland Security drill earlier this year called Operation Shield, which included turning the entrance of a Florida Social Security office into a checkpoint manned by Federal Protective Service officers armed with semiautomatic rifles.
The AP whitewash fails to mention the DHS exercise, which was geared towards protecting the Social Security office in the event of civil unrest.
According to the AP, “The episode illustrates what can happen when a seemingly salacious tidbit gets amplified and embellished on the Internet,” making reference to a Jay Leno skit in which the comedian asked, “What senior citizens are they worried about? I mean, who’s going to storm the building?”
However, the larger issue is the fact that the AP story attempts to build a strawman argument by focusing only the SSA’s purchase of bullets and completely omitting the far more alarming fact that DHS has purchased over 1.4 billion – that’s BILLION with a B – bullets in the past few months alone.
A D V E R T I S E M E N T
Back in March, Homeland Security put out a solicitation for 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage, prompting questions as to why the DHS needed such a large amount of powerful bullets merely for training purposes.
This was followed by another DHS solicitation asking for a further 750 million rounds of assorted bullets, including 357 mag rounds that are able to penetrate walls.
Although the ammo purchases are ostensibly earmarked for training purposes, the DHS has been reticent to clarify why such an unusually large amount of rounds are necessary and why such powerful bullets are required merely for training drills.
This has led to speculation that the purchases are connected to confirmed preparations for civil unrest in the United States, a claim bolstered by the DHS’ purchase of riot gear.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/associated-press-whitewashes-controversy-over-feds-buying-ammunition.html

baja
03-13-2013, 08:47 PM
I'm sure there is some hoarding going on but my brother in law is a gun dealer. The government is in fact buying massive amounts up. He thinks it could be 10 months before big brother is done getting theirs first.

A lot of small to medium manufactures of ammunition have declared they will fill civilian orders first. People are waking up.

baja
03-13-2013, 08:54 PM
HERE'S AN ARTICLE FROM FORBES

1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation

Armored Personnel Carriers in Baghdad. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:


[T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.”

These MRAP’s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.”

Regardless of the exact number of MRAP’s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone… yes, definitely. Let’s protect our men and women. On the streets of America… ?”



“They all have gun ports… Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America…?

Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?”

Why indeed? It is utterly inconceivable that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is planning a coup d’etat against President Obama, and the Congress, to install herself as Supreme Ruler of the United States of America. There, however, are real signs that the Department bureaucrats are running amok. About 20 years ago this columnist worked, for two years, in the U.S. Department of Energy’s general counsel’s office in its procurement and finance division. And is wise to the ways. The answer to “why would DHS need such a vehicle?” almost certainly is this: it’s a cool toy and these (reportedly) million dollar toys are being recycled, without much of a impact on the DHS budget. So… why not?1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation
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Armored Personnel Carriers in Baghdad. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:


[T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.”

These MRAP’s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.”

Regardless of the exact number of MRAP’s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone… yes, definitely. Let’s protect our men and women. On the streets of America… ?”



“They all have gun ports… Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America…?

Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

Fedaykin
03-13-2013, 10:16 PM
I'm sure there is some hoarding going on but my brother in law is a gun dealer. The government is in fact buying massive amounts up. He thinks it could be 10 months before big brother is done getting theirs first.

According to the actual manufacturers, it's hoarding, not government buying everything up. For example, one of the largest manufacturers of ammunition and reloading components, Hornady had this to say:


The current political climate has caused extremely high demand on all shooting industry products, including ours. Empty retail shelves, long backorders, and exaggerated price increases on online auction sites – all fueled by rumors and conjecture – have amplified concerns about the availability of ammunition and firearms-related items.

If the information you hear doesn’t originate from Hornady Manufacturing, don’t believe it.

Here are some of rumors we’ve heard, and questions we’ve received:

Have you stopped production, or has the government forced you to stop?

Not at all.

Did you stop selling bullets so you could only make loaded ammunition?

Absolutely not.

Since we can’t find your product you must be selling it all to the government.

Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities.


http://www.hornady.com/support/availability

Meck77
03-15-2013, 02:45 AM
Fedyakin. It's a combination. Bottom line think about this. If something like Ammo can just disappear from shelves because of hoarding just imagine what would happen if people started hoarding food.

Prepare for the difficult while it is still easy. Deal with the big while it is still small. Difficult undertakings have always started with what's easy. (Lao Tzu)

Fedaykin
03-15-2013, 08:52 AM
Fedyakin. It's a combination. Bottom line think about this. If something like Ammo can just disappear from shelves because of hoarding just imagine what would happen if people started hoarding food.

Prepare for the difficult while it is still easy. Deal with the big while it is still small. Difficult undertakings have always started with what's easy. (Lao Tzu)

wait, you're saying food isn't unlimited? HOLY **** YOU JUST ROCKED MY WORLD!

ant1999e
03-16-2013, 12:01 AM
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