Judge Upholds Penn. Voter ID Law; GOP Admits Law Designed to "Allow" Mitt Romney to "Win the State"

[Blart]

At least the GOP is being honest. Voting Rights Act? Not as important as winning elections.


"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: Done," - Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turza

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[ludo21]

maybe people should have id?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Funny how Democrats only b!tch about this stuff when it benefits another party. Considering that before the law, I could walk in and say 'Hi, my name's Blart!' and they'd give me a ballot, ANY voter ID law is better than NO voter ID law, especially when you (rightly) have to have ID to do even the most rudimentary things in our society.

[peacepipe]

maybe people should have id?even people with ID wouldn't be able to vote,for example if you have a military ID that doesn't have an expiration date on it it is invalid.

[cutthemdown]

even people with ID wouldn't be able to vote,for example if you have a military ID that doesn't have an expiration date on it it is invalid.

What does a valid military ID have on it? No expiration date? Or does our military not put expiration dates on them? I agree its wrong to make a law that makes military id not good enough.

[Blart]

For anyone who posts here, I'm sure getting an ID is easy.

But keep in mind our country is full of areas poorer than third world nations.


Gloria who is 61 was born in Summerville, South Carolina and moved to Philadelphia at a young age. Ms. Cuttino's mother died when she was sixteen, leaving Ms. Cuttino alone to care for her three younger brothers and sisters. Ms. Cuttino raised four children of her own, one of whom is a Philadelphia police officer. Prior to the photo ID law going into affect she has been trying to get her birth certificate from South Carolina and has told her they have no birth record. Through the help of a pro bono lawyer, she learned that the only way to now get a "delayed" birth certificate is to seek census and other records, which will cost approximately $100, and as well as hire an attorney in South Carolina to petition the court. Ms. Cuttino will not be able to vote in November.


Listen to Ms. Cuttino talk about what voting means to her.
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Ms. Applewhite is was born in 1919 in Philadelphia--a year before women gained the right to vote. Ms. Applewhite worked as a welder during World War II and has voted in almost every election since 1960. Ms. Applewhite marched to support civil rights for African-Americans with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Macon, Georgia, and traveled on several occasions to hear him preach in Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church. Ms. Applewhite does not have and has been unable to obtain photo identification required by Pennsylvania's voter photo ID law and will be unable to cast a ballot this November.
Listen to her story:





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Joyce Block
After learning about Pennsylvania's new photo ID requirement, Ms. Block who hasn't missed an election in 70 years, went to her local PennDOT office so she could obtain her free ID. Despite having all the documentation listed on the Department of State checklist, her application was rejected because the PennDot worker couldn't read her Hebrew marriage license and the deed to her home and Pepco bill had her married name, not her maiden name. Ms. Block takes her right to vote so seriously that in 2010 she had her granddaughter take her from the hospital in a wheelchair because she couldn't obtain an absentee ballot. Read more (http://articles.philly.com/2012-04-23/news/31387312_1_penndot-worker-marriage-license-peco)

(http://articles.philly.com/2012-04-23/news/31387312_1_penndot-worker-marriage-license-peco)

Sherry Skramstad
Sherry Skramstad is a 70-year old retired teacher and author, and she has been voting since she became eligible in the 1960s. Even though she has a valid driver's license from New York, she can't get a Pennsylvania license because her birth certificate doesn't match her married name, although it's been her name for over 30 years. A Department of Transportation spokesperson claims that Sherry should have been notified of "exception processing," but that message didn't make it to her until after multiple calls to the Governor, the Office of Aging, both Pennsylvania U.S. Senators, and the U. S.-Mexican consulate, and eventually, media outlets. Under the old law, Sherry would have been able to use a utility bill, or a bank statement to demonstrate her identity at the polls. Read more (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/state/20120717_Woman_s_ordeal_shows_voter-ID_pitfalls.html)

(http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/state/20120717_Woman_s_ordeal_shows_voter-ID_pitfalls.html)

Louise Furness
Louise who is 96 does not have a driver's license, which is an approved form of ID and no longer drives making it difficult for her to visit the DMV in order to get the photo ID. Like Ms. Decoursey she was born to a midwife in North Carolina and does not possess the birth certificate need to obtain an voter ID card. Many seniors like Ms. Furness now face the difficult task of finding the documents in order to get photo ID in order to vote.



Amanda Wolf
Amanda Wolf used to be able to vote using her student ID card. Under South Carolina’s new voter ID requirements, however, Amanda has had to wait 6 months to even get the paperwork necessary for her to apply for an acceptable form of ID to allow her to vote. Adopted in Georgia, Amanda’s name was different on her birth certificate, which also included the names of her birth parents. When Amanda went to Vital Records to ask for a change, she found out that they would only accept a major credit card, which she didn’t have. Finally, after 6 months and with the help of a judge, she was able to get her new birth certificate and apply for an ID. Read more (http://video.pbs.org/video/2197962217/)

Delores Freelan
59-year-old Delores Freelan of South Carolina lives on disability, and cannot afford to petition her home state of California to change her name and fix an error on her birth certificate. Without a valid birth certificate, she cannot get a photo ID to vote. Read more (http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/07/09/2268138/group-targets-voter-id-law.html)

Donna Suggs
Donna Suggs, born by midwife, does not have a birth certificate. Because her birth was never reported, Donna could not get the necessary birth certificate to apply for an ID to vote. Only after an attorney stepped in to help was Donna able to successfully get her free ID. Read more (http://video.pbs.org/video/2197962217/)

Larrie Butler
Larrie Butler, born and raised in South Carolina, is 85 years old. Denied a new driver’s license because he doesn’t have a birth certificate, Larrie went to vital records to get one and was told he’d need to provide his school and out-of-state driving records. When he returned with the documents, Larrie was told he had failed to prove his identity because he could not get his elementary school records, as the school had since closed. He was then told that he could only get a birth certificate if he paid to get his name changed.
Watch the video below for Larrie's own account of the incident

Willie Blair
Willie Blair, a 61-year-old sharecropper from Sumter, South Carolina has never been to school and cannot read. His name, given to him by his stepfather, does not match the name on his birth certificate, meaning he cannot use the certificate to get a photo ID to vote. Read more (http://www.npr.org/2011/10/19/141508278/opponents-say-s-c-s-voting-law-unfair-for-the-poor)
Tennessee


Clifford Glass
Mr. Glass has been voting since 1960 and no longer has a driver's license because of an automoblie accident twelve years ago that prevents him from driving. He is an Air Force veteran but his VA card is not one of the approved forms of photo ID in Tennessee.

Listen to Clifford's story below.
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Darwin Spinks
86-year-old Darwin Spinks, who served in World War II and Korea, had to pay for a "free" Tennessee voting ID. Read more (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/26/353712/tennessee-veteran-voter-id-pay/)

Dorothy Cooper
96-year-old Dorothy Cooper of Tennessee could not get a free voter ID because she could not produce her marriage license. Ms. Cooper presented a birth certificate, a rent receipt and a voter registration card, but was still denied the ID. Now, for the first time since the 1960s, she may not be able to vote. Read more (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/05/336392/96-year-old-tennessee-woman-denied-voter-id-because-she-didnt-have-her-marriage-license/)

Lee and Phyllis Campbell
Lee and Phyllis Campbell, a retired couple from Tennessee, were asked to pay for a new license because the free IDs involve "too much paperwork." Mr. and Mrs. Campbell testified before members of the House Judiciary Committee about their ordeal. Read more (http://democrats.judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/Campbell111114.pdf)

Marie Crittenden
92-year-old Marie of Etowah, Tennessee has consistently voted since 1948. However, with the passage of new voter ID requirements, Marie almost couldn’t vote. After being misinformed about the necessary identification and paperwork numerous times, Marie could only vote due to the determined aid of her niece, who convinced the election commission to use common sense and allow Marie to cast her ballot. Read more (http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/16664815/92-year-old-tackled-voter-id-issues)

Thelma Mitchell
For 30 years Thelma Mitchell cleaned the Tennessee state capitol, including the governor's office. Now the 93-year-old won’t be able to vote for the first time in decades after being told that her old state ID failed the new voter ID regulations and cannot produce a birth certificate. Read more (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/12/26/395287/93-year-old-tennessee-woman-who-cleaned-state-capitol-for-30-years-denied-voter-id/)

Virginia Lasater
91-year-oldVirginia Lasater of Murfreesboro, Tennessee could not get a voter ID because, with 100 people ahead of her and no chairs, she could not physically wait at the DMV. Ms. Lasater has been voting and working on campaigns for more than 40 years, and now may be denied her right to vote. Read more (http://www.nashvilleledger.com/editorial/Article.aspx?id=55529)

Texas
Mother of Texas State Rep. Trey Martinez Fisher
Rep. Martinez Fisher's 73-year-old mother will likely not be about to vote in the upcoming elections because she does not possess photo ID. She suffers from Parkinson's and has no driver's lecense, passport or concelad handgun license--the accepted forms of photo ID under Texas' new law. Read more (http://newamericamedia.org/2012/04/telebriefing-highlights-spread-of-voter-suppression-laws.php)

José Zuniga
José, an 83-year-old wheelchair user who lives in El Cienzo, Texas, spends the vast majority of his time at home – but he makes it out each year for Election Day. If photo ID requirements are enacted in Texas, though, Jose may be unable to continue to vote. Zuniga, who does not drive, would need to take two or three buses to get to the closest Department of Public Safety office – about 20 miles away – to get a personal identification card. Even if he makes it to the DPS office, Zuniga could face discrimination or harassment when trying to receive an ID. Read more (http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/as-court-fight-looms-over-voter-id-those-2412608.html?viewAsSinglePage=true)

Juan José López Jr.
Juan, a 34-year-old Texas resident, is one of three solid waste sanitation workers in the small city of El Cienzo. While he used to have a Department of Public Safety-issued ID that would allow him to vote under a photo ID law, he has since lost that ID. Attempting to replace the identification card, though, has proved a larger hassle than he expected. In order to get a new ID, he needed documents to prove his identity and residence – like school records. At the same time, he needed ID to get access to his school records. Caught in a vicious catch-22 of identification, Juan has – for the time being – given up on obtaining ID. Dealing with the run-around of getting ID would require him to take time off work – something he cannot afford. Read more (http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/as-court-fight-looms-over-voter-id-those-2412608.html?viewAsSinglePage=true)

Encarnación Vasquez
Encarnación has always used his voter registration card to vote. At age 84, he no longer has a driver’s license. Vasquez, who is well-known in the small city of Rio Bravo, had hoped that knowing the poll workers would vouch for his identity, but without photo ID, he may not be able to vote – even with his registration card. Read more (http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/as-court-fight-looms-over-voter-id-those-2412608.html?viewAsSinglePage=true)

Wisconsin
Anthony Sharp
19-year-old African-American Milwaukee resident does not have any of the accepted forms of photo ID under the law and does not have the income to afford the $20 certified copy of his birth certificate in order to vote. Read more (http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/aclu-files-lawsuit-challenging-wisconsins-unconstitutional-voter-id-law)

Bettye Jones
Bettye Jones is 76 years old and has voted in every election since 1959. Active in the Civil Rights movement, she fought for her right to vote and never dreamed it could be taken away. Bettye’s mother gave birth to her in a time when African Americans in the South could not get hospital care, meaning that Bettye was born at home. No birth certificate was ever filed to record her birth. However, Bettye has a current and valid Ohio driver’s license and had never had any problems voting until she moved to Wisconsin. Here, Bettye found that she will be denied the right to vote. With no birth certificate on file, she cannot get the ID that Wisconsin requires to cast a ballot; the state’s law will also not allow her to use her out of state driver’s license to prove her identity. Read more (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/judith-browne-dianis/bloody-sunday-then-and-no_b_1324148.html)

Carl Ellis
Carl is a U.S. Army veteran living in a homeless shelter in Milwaukee. His only photo ID is a veteran ID card, which is not accepted under the law. Read more (http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/aclu-files-lawsuit-challenging-wisconsins-unconstitutional-voter-id-law)

Chris Larsen
Wisconsin Department of Safety worker Chris Larsen was fired after encouraging his co-workers to inform citizens that IDs are free for the purposes of voting. To save money, Wisconsonites will only receive ID cards for free if they know on their own that they need to check a box on their application, otherwise they will be charged. Read more (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/wis_employee_fired_for_e-mail_defying_voter-id_pol.php)

Florence Hessing
96-year-old Florence is disabled and rarely leaves her home, voting by absentee ballot. After writing to the state asking how to get a photo ID under Wisconsin’s new government-issued photo ID law, she was told it would cost her $28, even though Wisconsin ID cards are supposed to be free. To even apply for the ID, Florence needed a birth certificate, of which her natal state of Iowa told her they had no official record. Read more (http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006217/why-new-photo-id-laws-mean-some-wont-vote?sc=tw)

Gil Paar
Mr. Paar who served in the military for four years was not allowed to vote because his Veteran's card, which is issued by the United State Department of Veterans Affairs and contains both his photo and address is not one of the approved forms of government-issued photo ID under Wisconsin's new voter ID law. Despite having a driver's license that would have allowed him to vote, Mr. Paar refused because a VA card is the only form of photo ID that many veterans have. Read more (http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/mount-pleasant-man-refuses-to-vote-after-finding-veteran-s/article_03e78de0-5cf8-11e1-a5e2-001871e3ce6c.html?mode=story)

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JoAnne Balthazor and Jeannie Vasen
69-year-old JoAnne Balthazor of Wisconsin waited at the DMV for almost 2 hours to receive her free ID for voting. Jeannie Vasen, 43, didn't have enough money with her to get a replacement ID, and ended up leaving without getting her ID after Wisconsin DMV workers failed to inform her the ID was free.
Read more (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_e1412868-a434-11e0-bc0c-001cc4c002e0.html)

Marge Curtin
62-year-old Marge Curtin has lived and voted in the same area for 40 years. Although her name and address were listed on the rolls and the poll workers, including her friend of over 40 years, knew and recognized her, Marge was not allowed to vote because she didn’t have a photo ID. Recently injured in a car accident, Marge said she didn’t think she’d be able to make the long trip to the DMV to get an ID and went to vote at the polls anyway, as she always does. Unfortunately, here she discovered that she was barred from voting despite her unquestionable identity. Read more (http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=36026)

Rita Platt and John Wolfe
On a day off from work, Rita and John drove 45 minutes to a DMV to get Wisconsin driver's licenses so they could vote in the upcoming election. However, when they arrived shortly after the DMV had opened, they were told that the computers were down. The couple decided to fill out the necessary paperwork, in the hopes that the computers would be up and running by the time they'd gone through the approval steps.
After presenting a current Iowa driver's license, social security card, bank statement, and pay stub, John was denied an ID and told he hadn't proven his identity. Rita was told that neither her expired Iowa driver's license nor pay stub from the state qualified as proof of identification and that she'd need to pay for a certified birth certificate or bring a US passport to be approved. Even though Rita had previously had a Wisconsin driver's license and the worker could still find her in the system, Rita was informed that she could not get a license or even a voter ID. Read more (http://www.wivoices.org/2011/12/10/wisconsin-couple-unable-to-get-id-to-vote/)

Ruthelle Frank
Ruthelle is an 84-year-old elected official and has served on her village board since 1996, who without a birth certificate cannot obtain an ID needed to vote under Wisconsin law. Read more (http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20111204/WDH06/112040373/Voter-ID-becomes-law-unintended-consequences)

Ruthelle explains the difficulty she faces in trying to obtain photo ID:
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There are 280,000 more registered AMERICAN voters in Pennsylvania alone who don't have photo ID.
If you want more stories, here's a small slice:

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046

All this costs taxpayers several million dollars, by the way.

[peacepipe]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/federal_court_rules_floridas_shortening_of_early_v .php?ref=fpb

A panel of federal judges ruled late Thursday that a Florida law that limits the number of early voting days cannot be implemented in several counties because it would have an adverse impact on minority turnout.

Several counties in Florida are covered by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which requires certain areas with a history of racial discrimination to have changes to their election laws and procedures precleared by either a federal court or the Justice Department.

The three judge panel ruled that minorities “will be disproportionately affected by the changes in early voting procedures because they disproportionately use early in-person voting.”

“In sum, Florida is left with nothing to rebut either the testimony of the defendants’ witnesses or the common-sense judgment that a dramatic reduction in the form of voting that is disproportionately used by African-Americans would make it materially more difficult for some minority voters to cast a ballot than under the benchmark law,” the court ruled.

[Requiem]

Obama is going to win. Great! Another four more years that SA and the like on here will get to blame Barack to be the boogieman that ruined their lives.

[ludo21]

I agree In Person Voter Fraud is a lame excuse for forcing people to have ID. It seems it is common sense to have an ID for voting though.

Wont matter, Mitt will lose this fall anyway

[Garcia Bronco]

I agree In Person Voter Fraud is a lame excuse for forcing people to have ID. It seems it is common sense to have an ID for voting though.

Wont matter, Mitt will lose this fall anyway

Agreed on all accounts

[peacepipe]

I agree In Person Voter Fraud is a lame excuse for forcing people to have ID. It seems it is common sense to have an ID for voting though.

Wont matter, Mitt will lose this fall anywayexcept the state couldn't prove any case of in person voter fraud. they didn't even try,do to the fact that their are no real issues with in person voter fraud.

[peacepipe]

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/study_finds_in-person_voter_fraud_negligible_video_20120817/

In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity, including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

… Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United States during that time, those 10 cases represent one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.

… “Voter fraud at the polls is an insignificant aspect of American elections,” said elections expert David Schultz, professor of public policy at Hamline University School of Business in St. Paul.

“There is absolutely no evidence that [voter impersonation fraud] has affected the outcome of any election in the United States, at least any recent election in the United States,” Schultz said.

[elsid13]

What does a valid military ID have on it? No expiration date? Or does our military not put expiration dates on them? I agree its wrong to make a law that makes military id not good enough.

Military Ids (Common Access Cards) have expiration date on them.

[El Minion]

.Republican motive is disenfranchisement? Never! Hilarious!


Legal challenge to Pennsylvania voter ID law begins in court (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-25/news/sns-rt-us-usa-voterid-pennsylvaniabre86o1l1-20120725_1_pennsylvania-voter-id-law-voter-identification-legal-challenge)Republican legislators in Pennsylvania have said the law was not politically motivated and backed away from a statement made by Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai in June.

Addressing a group of fellow Republicans, Turzai said: "Voter ID–which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania–done," referring to Obama's Republican challenger, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

[El Minion]

.As if you need more proof to deny Republican voter suppression motives:

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Ahead Of Voter ID Trial, Pennsylvania Admits There’s No In-Person Voter Fraud (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/pennsylvania_voter_id_no_in_person_voter_fraud.php )
<section class="badge"> Ryan J. Reilly (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/ryan_j_reilly.php) <time datetime="2012-07-07T10:25:25Z" pubdate="pubdate">July 24, 2012, 6:25 AM </time> [/URL]

As the Justice Department investigates Pennsylvania’s voter ID law on the federal level (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/pennsylvania_voter_id_no_in_person_voter_fraud.php #pagecomments), a coalition of civil rights groups is gearing up for a state trial starting Wednesday examining whether the law is allowable under Pennsylvania’s constitution.

In that case, Pennsylvania might have handed those groups and their clients (including 93-year-old Viviette Applewhite (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/pa_voter_id_law_viviette_applewhite.php)) a bit of an advantage: They’ve formally acknowledged that there’s been no reported in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania and there isn’t likely to be in November.

The state signed a stipulation agreement (http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/ApplewhiteStipulation.pdf) with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges [U]there “have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”

Additionally, the agreement states Pennsylvania “will not offer any evidence in this action that in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania and elsewhere” or even argue “that in person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absense of the Photo ID law.”

Pennsylvania has said (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/pennsylvania_voter_id_disenfranchised.php) that over 750,000 registered voters do not have ID from the Transportation Department, a problem more concentrated in urban centers like Philadelphia. One top state Republican has claimed (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/pennsylvania_gop_leader_voter_id_will_help_romney. php) the voter ID law would help Mitt Romney win the Keystone state and Democrats have already altered their campaign plans (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/in-pa-voter-id-law-already-changing-the-electoral-landscape.php) should the law survives legal challenges.

Judge Robert Simpson will hear the case (http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/applewhiteetalvcommonwealt/index), Applewhite et al. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, et al., in Harrisburg starting on Wednesday. The ACLU expects the trial to last five to seven days.

(H/T Free and Equal (http://freeandequalpa.wordpress.com/))
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[El Minion]

.More Republican disenfranchisement to deny. Former Florida Republican Party chairman Jim Greer: (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/jim-greer-denounces-florida-republican-party-officials-as-liars-and/1242157)

On voter suppression, Greer said he had just completed a December 2009 meeting with party general counsel Jason Gonzalez, political consultant Jim Rimes and Eric Eikenberg, Crist's chief of staff, when questions arose about fundraising.

"I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting. It had been one of those days,'' he said.


And: (http://www.theledger.com/article/20120726/POLITICS/120729446/1374?p=2&tc=pg)

And along the way, he makes stunning accusations, including claims that party officials were trying to find ways to get black people not to vote.

"They talked about not letting blacks vote … and minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party," Greer said.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Funny how Democrats only b!tch about this stuff when it benefits another party.

Maybe that's because your side's fraud allegations have all turned out to be BS whereas there's no shortage of hard evidence that the GOP engages in massive electoral fraud.

I have to chuckle at right-wing idiots like you who would have us believe both parties are crooked in equal proportions.

It's not even close...your party is nothing more than an organized crime syndicate.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Obama is going to win. Great! Another four more years that SA and the like on here will get to blame Barack to be the boogieman that ruined their lives.

I, for one, am going to enjoy watching these bigoted, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, backward-ass, mouth breathing redneck idiots wail and moan and gnash their teeth for another four years. :thumbs:

[Jetmeck]

except the state couldn't prove any case of in person voter fraud. they didn't even try,do to the fact that their are no real issues with in person voter fraud.

republican judge,,,,what else could it be with no proof of fraud and a videos of house majority telling you it was for romney to win the state

[Jetmeck]

Maybe that's because your side's fraud allegations have all turned out to be BS whereas there's no shortage of hard evidence that the GOP engages in massive electoral fraud.

I have to chuckle at right-wing idiots like you who would have us believe both parties are crooked in equal proportions.

It's not even close...your party is nothing more than an organized crime syndicate.


well said..................up until a few years back I would have said both parties are about equal but lately the GOP have been right in your face ****ing the little guy.

whose to blame....the voters voting against their own best finanacial interests.............the GOP has been enboldend (?) being put back in so quickly after blowing the place up ???

[houghtam]

Guys. Lonestar saw it happen. He didn't take video, but voter fraud is REAL.

:oyvey:

[manchambo]

Any reasonable lawmaker would apply a rule of reason to this issue. On one hand, there is a significant population that doesn't have picture ID, and they are extraordinarily disproportionately poor. People who already are disenfranchised and disadvantaged in numerous ways. On the other hand there is a risk of in person voter impersonation which all objective data suggests is so incredibly uncommon as to virtually not exist, and which can safely be said never to have determined the outcome of an election.

So, by all means, the right move is to disenfranchise people without ID. How do they sleep at night?

[manchambo]

Any reasonable lawmaker would apply a rule of reason to this issue. On one hand, there is a significant population that doesn't have picture ID, and they are extraordinarily disproportionately poor. People who already are disenfranchised and disadvantaged in numerous ways. On the other hand there is a risk of in person voter impersonation which all objective data suggests is so incredibly uncommon as to virtually not exist, and which can safely be said never to have determined the outcome of an election.

So, by all means, the right move is to disenfranchise people without ID. How do they sleep at night?

[cutthemdown]

Military Ids (Common Access Cards) have expiration date on them.

So then why would any military have one that doesn't have an expiration? I'm trying to understand lol. Why would they complain this excludes military, if all military id has an expiration? Am I missing something here?

[Fedaykin]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[cutthemdown]

Um LABF did you know Calif a while back passed a law saying you had to show ID, or last 4 numbers of your social to vote? Were you all upset when they passed that. I don't get it. Sounds like other states just catching up to CA the great liberal state that leads the way.

[frerottenextelway]

If I can blunt... I live in PA. the law isn't actually going to be enforced, cept in some suburbs. It'll be like -1 overall in a +8 state. Obama will win this state unless mitt wins nationally by 9 or 10. But the law itself is awful, evil and racist like many republicans who not so secretly want the 3/5 vote back. Ctd

[Missouribronc]

I don't understand the problem with obtaining an ID which confirms you legally live where you live and can legally vote.

Seems pretty simple.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Um LABF did you know Calif a while back passed a law saying you had to show ID, or last 4 numbers of your social to vote? Were you all upset when they passed that. I don't get it. Sounds like other states just catching up to CA the great liberal state that leads the way.

Another dumb false equivalence. ::)

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't understand the problem with obtaining an ID which confirms you legally live where you live and can legally vote.

Seems pretty simple.

The problems have been explained ad infinitum.

If you still don't understand, then either you can't or you won't.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...CA the great liberal state that leads the way.

Cannot understand for the life of me why you live here.

You belong in Texas with lonestar and the rest of the good ol' boys.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Jetmeck]

I don't understand the problem with obtaining an ID which confirms you legally live where you live and can legally vote.

Seems pretty simple.

it would to a simple minded self such as you..............

most of the inner city people affected don't have transportation and will have to pay for the documents needed to produce for this special id...............a poll tax

[Jetmeck]

Um LABF did you know Calif a while back passed a law saying you had to show ID, or last 4 numbers of your social to vote? Were you all upset when they passed that. I don't get it. Sounds like other states just catching up to CA the great liberal state that leads the way.

last four numbers of your social does not require a special ID...........social security or a bill with your name and adress have been used in many states and until republicans starting losing b y small margins was not an issue...............

[cutthemdown]

Cannot understand for the life of me why you live here.

You belong in Texas with lonestar and the rest of the good ol' boys.

If I did move, it would be to Austin the music scene kicks ass. For the life of you? Please LABF make it so.

[cutthemdown]

last four numbers of your social does not require a special ID...........social security or a bill with your name and adress have been used in many states and until republicans starting losing b y small margins was not an issue...............

Times are changing. But I do disagree with any voter law that makes it hard for the voters to get the card. So many of the states you are upset with I agree with you on. IMO if they want it photo id they should make it easy to get.

I do believe everyone should vote. I guess I am just used to showing my drivers license. I really don't think there are enough voters without proper ID to swing a state? Maybe though but it seems those type of people probably also won't be into voting. They are off the grid types most likely. In fact I can say with certainty I don't know anyone who doesn't have some sort of valid ID.

How many people on the board no someone who lives that under the societies normal structure? Sure probably some poor people in the sticks that are really old, but just like voter fraud, not enough to make a difference.

People saying repubs will win because of this kidding themselves.

[cutthemdown]

The only number that will cause Obama to lose is 8.3%

[cutthemdown]

it would to a simple minded self such as you..............

most of the inner city people affected don't have transportation and will have to pay for the documents needed to produce for this special id...............a poll tax

No one has to pay to vote. Having a valid ID part of joining society so police can identify you is case of emergencies etc etc. Its 2012 for godsake its time to come out of the shack and get an ID. If you don't want to, if you want to live off the gird like that, then you give up your right to vote.

No way there are lots of Americans with no ID. Its 2012 you need it to fly, drive, use a bank, use a car, get a loan. The amount of people who don't do any of those things has got to be really small.

Any numbers on this stuff? Probably as big of a phantom as voter fraud.

[Drek]

No one has to pay to vote. Having a valid ID part of joining society so police can identify you is case of emergencies etc etc. Its 2012 for godsake its time to come out of the shack and get an ID. If you don't want to, if you want to live off the gird like that, then you give up your right to vote.

No way there are lots of Americans with no ID. Its 2012 you need it to fly, drive, use a bank, use a car, get a loan. The amount of people who don't do any of those things has got to be really small.

Any numbers on this stuff? Probably as big of a phantom as voter fraud.
Then you'd be in favor of a new governmental program that 1. gives out free IDs and 2. helps people procure the paperwork needed to get those free IDs, right?

I mean, if it's such a basic item that modern life outright demands doesn't that fall well within the enumerated powers of the constitution? Giving the people what they can not provide for themselves.

[cutthemdown]

Then you'd be in favor of a new governmental program that 1. gives out free IDs and 2. helps people procure the paperwork needed to get those free IDs, right?

I mean, if it's such a basic item that modern life outright demands doesn't that fall well within the enumerated powers of the constitution? Giving the people what they can not provide for themselves.


Hmm now I have to pay for it? Whatever happened to personal responsibility in this country. I had to pay for my drivers license.

[cutthemdown]

How about the dems pay for it, they seem to think it will help them the most. :)

[barryr]

For most states, a simple ID card costs 25 dollars or less(some states, it's even less than 10) and there are discounts for seniors as well. But we need to make them free for people? Again, this isn't about helping people, other than democrats cheating with phony votes and pretending the problem isn't big because millions aren't doing it. When did a crime become unimportant simply because the number of people doing it? If it's illegal, it needs to be stopped. Liberals yet wonder why they are considered to be soft on crime. They'd rather focus on crimes that didn't happen or can't prove than the ones actually happening.

[Blart]

For most states, a simple ID card costs 25 dollars or less(some states, it's even less than 10) and there are discounts for seniors as well. But we need to make them free for people? Again, this isn't about helping people, other than democrats cheating with phony votes and pretending the problem isn't big because millions aren't doing it. When did a crime become unimportant simply because the number of people doing it? If it's illegal, it needs to be stopped. Liberals yet wonder why they are considered to be soft on crime. They'd rather focus on crimes that didn't happen or can't prove than the ones actually happening.

Way to rationalize a poll tax.

[houghtam]

Way to rationalize a poll tax.

Exactly.

Good God someone hasn't read the evidence.

Once again, and this time large so everyone can read.

The people who designed the PA law conceded before the hearing that not only has there never been a documented case of voter fraud that would have been prevented by this legislation, but that the law also would not prevent the type of voter fraud that does (albeit with lower frequency than lightning strikes) occur.

[Jetmeck]

Sure probably some poor people in the sticks that are really old, but just like voter fraud, not enough to make a difference.

People saying repubs will win because of this kidding themselves.


dude, come on use your head.......inner city has a majority of the poor and they vote democratic................jeeze

[Jetmeck]

No one has to pay to vote. Having a valid ID part of joining society so police can identify you is case of emergencies etc etc. Its 2012 for godsake its time to come out of the shack and get an ID. If you don't want to, if you want to live off the gird like that, then you give up your right to vote.

No way there are lots of Americans with no ID. Its 2012 you need it to fly, drive, use a bank, use a car, get a loan. The amount of people who don't do any of those things has got to be really small.

Any numbers on this stuff? Probably as big of a phantom as voter fraud.


birth certificate for example is not free.........live off the grid in the inner city.....how about they would rather eat than pay for records to get an ID to vote..............

[cutthemdown]

dude, come on use your head.......inner city has a majority of the poor and they vote democratic................jeeze

And they have no id because? Cmon the vast majority of Americans have some form of ID they can use to get a DL or state ID card.

Don't want to, then don't vote.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And they have no id because? Cmon the vast majority of Americans have some form of ID they can use to get a DL or state ID card.

Don't want to, then don't vote.

Wow.

Amazing how you continue to spout this nonsense after being presented with evidence to the contrary time and time again.

:crazy:

[cutthemdown]

birth certificate for example is not free.........live off the grid in the inner city.....how about they would rather eat than pay for records to get an ID to vote..............

So you are saying people in the inner cities have no ID? and expecting them to pay for one is some huge burden? Before LABF was saying old black people born in rural areas didn't get a birth cert. Now you are saying poor inner city people can't get an ID because they spend what little they have to eat. Nothing left for an ID? LOL cmon that is ridiculous.

[cutthemdown]

Wow.

Amazing how you continue to spout this nonsense after being presented with evidence to the contrary time and time again.

:crazy:

I've been asking all my black friends and they all claim to have an ID. I can't find one person I know with no id. In fact does anyone on the board no someone who has no ID, and no way to get one. Just an unperson?

[cutthemdown]

dude, come on use your head.......inner city has a majority of the poor and they vote democratic................jeeze

Oh yeah we know. Poor people love da gubbmit cheese.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I've been asking all my black friends and they all claim to have an ID. I can't find one person I know with no id. In fact does anyone on the board no someone who has no ID, and no way to get one. Just an unperson?

Black friends?

You?

L0L! ROFL!

Anyway, you and lonestar are two peas in a pod with your anecdotal evidence.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh yeah we know. Poor people love da gubbmit cheese.

But not the rich people you worship who get all those subsidies, right?

[cutthemdown]

So poor people make choices that keep them poor, and somehow you all thing its a good thing they vote Democrat? The only vote Democrat because they want some Govt CHeese.

I don't like to work but I still can get my cheese, my govt cheese, my govt cheese.

[cutthemdown]

Black friends?

You?

L0L! ROFL!

Anyway, you and lonestar are two peas in a pod with your anecdotal evidence.

So do you know people with no ID? How many?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So poor people make choices that keep them poor....

Way to broad brush.

I'm sure that's the belief in which you were indoctrinated while growing up.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So do you know people with no ID? How many?

I don't know anyone with Lyme disease either, so I guess it must not really exist.

[cutthemdown]

I don't know anyone with Lyme disease either, so I guess it must not really exist.

So you answer is no. Everyone you know has an ID, because, well, if you participate in society you have to have one. And I actually do know someone who got Lyme disease, so I know it exists.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So you answer is no. Everyone you know has an ID, because, well, if you participate in society you have to have one. And I actually do know someone who got Lyme disease, so I know it exists.

Um, no.

First of all, I don't know whether everyone I know has an ID because I don't make it a point to ask everyone I know.

Second, even if everyone I know has an ID, it doesn't follow that people without IDs don't exist.

Can't believe I have to break such simple logic down for you. :oyvey:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And I actually do know someone who got Lyme disease, so I know it exists.

So if you didn't know someone who got the disease, then you wouldn't believe it existed?

[houghtam]

Um, no.

First of all, I don't know whether everyone I know has an ID because I don't make it a point to ask everyone I know.

Second, even if everyone I know has an ID, it doesn't follow that people without IDs don't exist.

Can't believe I have to break such simple logic down for you. :oyvey:

Ugh, just stop quoting the guy. LOL

Number one, how many people on earth have seen God? Zero. God doesn't exist?

Number two, I went for 18 months in college without an ID. If the voter ID law had been in place, I wouldn't have been able to vote. No, I wouldn't have been able to afford the $25 for the ID. I would have been disenfranchised on a lie.

Number three, the "I asked all my black friends" quote.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

[Jetmeck]

So you answer is no. Everyone you know has an ID, because, well, if you participate in society you have to have one. And I actually do know someone who got Lyme disease, so I know it exists.

pretty thick aren't ya............inner city poor use the bus and can't afford a car so no driver license ?


get the idea.......maybe not....................for those thick headed types

Just cause you don't know anyone who doesn;t have an ID doesn't mean jack chit.

[Missouribronc]

it would to a simple minded self such as you..............

most of the inner city people affected don't have transportation and will have to pay for the documents needed to produce for this special id...............a poll tax

They have a problem obtaining a state ID or a driver's license?

It's not that difficult...

[houghtam]

They have a problem obtaining a state ID or a driver's license?

It's not that difficult...

For you.

For some people, including poor white college kids like I was, it's unaffordable. One shouldn't need to "save up" to go vote. It's a right.

It's a poll tax.

You voting for Akin?

Achin' for Akin!

[Missouribronc]

For you.

For some people, including poor white college kids like I was, it's unaffordable. One shouldn't need to "save up" to go vote. It's a right.

It's a poll tax.

You voting for Akin?

Achin' for Akin!

I didn't have a problem laying off the booze for a week to get a $20 ID.

Why do you?

[houghtam]

I didn't have a problem laying off the booze for a week to get a $20 ID.

Why do you?

That's a pretty ignorant accusation, but...coming from Akinbronc, I shouldn't be surprised.

[Fedaykin]

So you answer is no. Everyone you know has an ID, because, well, if you participate in society you have to have one. And I actually do know someone who got Lyme disease, so I know it exists.

My grandmother had no ID of any kind for most of her life. All record of her existence was wiped out in a courthouse fire when she was a kid-- took her 2 decades to prove she existed once it became an issue.

And of course, your lame anecdotal information is just that: lame. 9% of the voters in PA have no current photo ID. Not hard to live without an ID if you're broke, don't have a car and don't own anything -- that is, the condition a lot of poor people are in.

[Mr.Meanie]

My grandmother had no ID of any kind for most of her life. All record of her existence was wiped out in a courthouse fire when she was a kid-- took her 2 decades to prove she existed once it became an issue.

And of course, your lame anecdotal information is just that: lame. 9% of the voters in PA have no current photo ID. Not hard to live without an ID if you're broke, don't have a car and don't own anything -- that is, the condition a lot of poor people are in.

Well poor people shouldn't be voting anyways, so...

[houghtam]

Well poor people shouldn't be voting anyways, so...

What right do the poor have to a voice in what goes on in government? They don't contribute to the GDP, so screw em. In fact, why don't we do this:

Since America is a business, and since poor people contribute less to the business than the middle and upper classes, why don't we institute a law stating that poor people don't get as much of a say? We'd rather not count them at all, but we'll make it look like we're compromising by settling on, say...60%. We'll call it the 3/5 Amendment.

Then of course, everyone knows that corporations are people, my friends. So...why not give corporations the right to vote? They contribute more to the GDP than poor people (and besides, it's only because of the corporations that these people have jobs making things people want to buy in the first place).



And the liberals are the socialists...

[barryr]

My grandmother had no ID of any kind for most of her life. All record of her existence was wiped out in a courthouse fire when she was a kid-- took her 2 decades to prove she existed once it became an issue.

And of course, your lame anecdotal information is just that: lame. 9% of the voters in PA have no current photo ID. Not hard to live without an ID if you're broke, don't have a car and don't own anything -- that is, the condition a lot of poor people are in.

But there are tons in that boat who are dying to vote though. Sure. Look how many people with ID's that don't vote. You guys want the cheating to continue and that's what this is all about. Spare me your "oh, I worry so about the poor people with no ID's." Yeah, I'm sure it keeps you awake nights. The high percentage of those that poor with no ID vote democrat and that's why you guys care and the only reason. Once you get their vote, now back to their cardboard boxes until next election. It's all about power and keeping it. Actually helping anybody, well, that's besides the point for your group.

[barryr]

Oh, here's another state/city finding out the truth, but the liberals say it really isn't happening. Reality is the democrats know this election will be close and need as much as they can of the dead, pet, felon, and illegal votes. But keep pretending this isn't happening all across the country.

Tampa group says voter rolls rife with felons

TAMPA --

"A Tampa group that has been combing through voter rolls says thousands of felons are registered to vote in Florida."

"Tampa Vote Fair says it found the names of 21,582 felons on voter rolls statewide and 1,375 in Hillsborough County. The group says its research shows some of the felons voted while behind bars."

"Individuals convicted of a felony aren't allowed to vote in Florida unless they go through a process to restore their rights. The group says its research did not include any felons who were eligible to have their rights restored."

http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2012/aug/20/3/tampa-group-says-voter-rolls-rife-with-felons-ar-469670/

[cutthemdown]

So if you didn't know someone who got the disease, then you wouldn't believe it existed?

Trying to compare diseases to whether or not someone has an ID is foolish even for you.

[cutthemdown]

My grandmother had no ID of any kind for most of her life. All record of her existence was wiped out in a courthouse fire when she was a kid-- took her 2 decades to prove she existed once it became an issue.

And of course, your lame anecdotal information is just that: lame. 9% of the voters in PA have no current photo ID. Not hard to live without an ID if you're broke, don't have a car and don't own anything -- that is, the condition a lot of poor people are in.

LOL but your anecdotal grandma story is gold huh?

[Garcia Bronco]

I'll be showing my id and be counted, like I always have, in this upcoming election.


Personally I think everyone should be Id'd and informaiton collected. Since so many want some kind of government assistance, we need to count you so we can properly resource plan and...you know...pass a budget. The way we are going about it today is ****ing dumb.

[houghtam]

I'll be showing my id and be counted, like I always have, in this upcoming election.


Personally I think everyone should be Id'd and informaiton collected. Since so many want some kind of government assistance, we need to count you so we can properly resource plan and...you know...pass a budget. The way we are going about it today is ****ing dumb.

Awesome, can we make it easier and just do it with bar codes?

[TonyR]

I've been asking all my black friends and they all claim to have an ID.

Hilarious! You've posted an awful lot of horsesh*t, but this is the steamiest of the steamy piles! Hilarious!

[Garcia Bronco]

Awesome, can we make it easier and just do it with bar codes?

What do you think that magnetic strip on your ID basically is? Call it a barcode....call it an implant chip...but here's where we are. We cannot continue to function in the manner that we are. This **** is going to crash. All things end right....but for some reason we seem content to hit the accelerator.

[Fedaykin]

LOL but your anecdotal grandma story is gold huh?

At disproving your assertion that everyone who participates in society has a photo ID, yep. It's easy to disprove foolish statement's like yours. one counter example is all that's required.

Of course, as expected you ignore everything in the post that you can't actually address. 9% of the PA electorate doesn't have a photo ID (not just democrats).

[Blart]

I've been asking all my black friends and they all claim to have an ID. I can't find one person I know with no id. In fact does anyone on the board no someone who has no ID, and no way to get one. Just an unperson?

Funniest post of the day.

Here's some help,

Learn why anecdotal evidence is a fallacy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

(For example, asking a set of people with decent computer skills, leisure time, and internet access is not going to turn up a large amount of impoverished or elderly people without photo id.)


If you'd like some anecdotes to go with the raw numbers, here's a list of people without photo ID and their stories:
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0046

[Garcia Bronco]

At disproving your assertion that everyone who participates in society has a photo ID, yep. It's easy to disprove foolish statement's like yours. one counter example is all that's required.

Of course, as expected you ignore everything in the post that you can't actually address. 9% of the PA electorate doesn't have a photo ID (not just democrats).

Well...as it stands today...if you don't have one, you better get one.

[Fedaykin]

Well...as it stands today...if you don't have one, you better get one.

Gotta love transparent voter disenfranchisement moves in an election year, amirite?

[Garcia Bronco]

Gotta love transparent voter disenfranchisement moves in an election year, amirite?

That's the biggest issue I have with these laws.