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Quoydogs
08-14-2012, 10:47 AM
I say it was fine, he didn't lead with the helmet. I think they need to just let them play ball.


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boltaneer
08-14-2012, 10:56 AM
I say it was fine, he didn't lead with the helmet. I think they need to just let them play ball.


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It's not a legal hit. You cannot hit a quarterback in the HEAD, and you absolutely cannot launch yourself and hit a player in the HEAD.

Why is this so difficult for players to understand?

Rabb
08-14-2012, 11:07 AM
I would just about guarantee that if Manning took that hit last week, there would be a 10 page thread on why the defender should be sat down for several games.

It was a dirty and unnecessary hit.

Irish Stout
08-14-2012, 11:20 AM
Absolutely not legal. Not only does he launch himself at the QB's head, he tucks his own helmet down.

Dedhed
08-14-2012, 11:38 AM
I say it was fine....

You got judgement issues bro.

Agamemnon
08-14-2012, 11:38 AM
Obvious illegal hit. Only a retard would argue otherwise...

chickennob2
08-14-2012, 11:41 AM
Initial contact is with DRC's shoulder in Byron's chest. What's the rule again? Don't lead with your helmet? Well, he didn't. But, like most humanoids, it turns out that his head happens to be near his shoulder...

Dedhed
08-14-2012, 11:45 AM
Initial contact is with DRC's shoulder in Byron's chest. What's the rule again? Don't lead with your helmet? Well, he didn't. But, like most humanoids, it turns out that his head happens to be near his shoulder...

Whether his helmet made contact with Byron's head has very little to do with how illegal that hit is.

OBF1
08-14-2012, 11:48 AM
The OP must be a relative of Cromartie... Not only did he hit the QB in the head, he also launched himself at the QB...either will get a flag throw.

Original Poster should get a month long vacation for stupidity.

broncocalijohn
08-14-2012, 11:56 AM
The OP must be a relative of Cromartie... Not only did he hit the QB in the head, he also launched himself at the QB...either will get a flag throw.

Original Poster should get a month long vacation for stupidity.

In a few generations, everyone will be related to Cromartie.

Dedhed
08-14-2012, 11:59 AM
In a few generations, everyone will be related to Cromartie.

That is good stuff!

Houshyamama
08-14-2012, 12:03 PM
Illegal hit. It's almost like Cromartie has a tendency to show poor judgement...

Bronco-Gator420
08-14-2012, 12:16 PM
DRC actually hit Leftwich in the Sternum area with his shoulder, it's just the launch that makes it look worse than it is. Here's another angle:

http://youtu.be/CvrfPTJO3gw

Also wrong Cromartie. They are distant cousins, but this guy only has one kid. Grew up with DRC and played in the same secondary with him in high school. He was known as Dominique Rodgers all the way through his senior year of college at Mid Tenn St. Then in the weeks leading up to the combine, he hyphenated the Cromartie on the end. His dad's last name is Cromartie (Who was/maybe still is the head b-ball coach at Tallahassee Community College), but was raised by his mom. Definitly not the same kind of knuckle-head as the Cro in NY.

broncocalijohn
08-14-2012, 12:29 PM
DRC actually hit Leftwich in the Sternum area with his shoulder, it's just the launch that makes it look worse than it is. Here's another angle:

http://youtu.be/CvrfPTJO3gw

Also wrong Cromartie. They are distant cousins, but this guy only has one kid. Grew up with DRC and played in the same secondary with him in high school. He was known as Dominique Rodgers all the way through his senior year of college at Mid Tenn St. Then in the weeks leading up to the combine, he hyphenated the Cromartie on the end. His dad's last name is Cromartie (Who was/maybe still is the head b-ball coach at Tallahassee Community College), but was raised by his mom. Definitly not the same kind of knuckle-head as the Cro in NY.

I remember that reasoning on his name. Anyway to separate from his cousin wouldn't be a bad idea.

Agamemnon
08-14-2012, 12:31 PM
Initial contact is with DRC's shoulder in Byron's chest. What's the rule again? Don't lead with your helmet? Well, he didn't. But, like most humanoids, it turns out that his head happens to be near his shoulder...

He launched into the area of the QB's head and did so after the pass had been thrown. A player will get called for that every time.

houghtam
08-14-2012, 12:36 PM
He launched into the area of the QB's head and did so after the pass had been thrown. A player will get called for that every time.

Yep.

It wouldn't matter if the QB had turned 90 degrees to get out of the way and DRC had made contact with only his shoulder. He launched himself high. He's gonna get flagged for it...e'rry tiiiiime.

55CrushEm
08-14-2012, 12:56 PM
I say it was fine, he didn't lead with the helmet. I think they need to just let them play ball.


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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/dominique-rodgers-cromartie-thinks-dirty-hit-byron-leftwich-001241629--nfl.html


:kiddingme

Smiling Assassin27
08-14-2012, 01:12 PM
It's not a legal hit. You cannot hit a quarterback in the HEAD, and you absolutely cannot launch yourself and hit a player in the HEAD.

Why is this so difficult for players to understand?


This. Whether or not you think it's OK, it violates the rule, plain and simple which makes it illegal.

Beantown Bronco
08-14-2012, 01:16 PM
I still love how there wasn't even a flag thrown on this one:

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cutthemdown
08-14-2012, 01:23 PM
Not legal anymore. He launched himself at the qbs head.

bronco militia
08-14-2012, 01:23 PM
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ummm. Not even close.

bronco militia
08-14-2012, 01:25 PM
for ****s sakes wrap up and plant your feet. That's one of the worst tackles I've seen yet.

cutthemdown
08-14-2012, 01:43 PM
If that isn't illegal then why even have the stupid rule. He leaves his feet, launches, and goes for the head of the QB. Then he tries to act like i used my shoulder.

It's like some of the NFL players just really ignorant of the rule. Going for qbs head, launching, is going to get called even if you don't use your helmet. How hard is that to grasp.

Quoydogs
08-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Dude it's football and should have been a clean hit. May as well start dressing the player in this. Last I heard this is a contact sport. Flame away if you will but I won't let them turn this into pansy ball without voicing my opinion.

If you watch close he pulls his head up and leads with the shoulder. Yes he does hit his head but you can tell he pulled back.

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=girly+football+players&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1680&bih=921&tbm=isch&tbnid=MLxMQ-d7St3QWM:&imgrefurl=http://detlaphiltdic.blogspot.com/2009/11/soccer-players-football-icons-famous.html&docid=zU7Rb-2VuchJfM&imgurl=http://www.hunkdujour.com/blog/gay_blogger/530/luke%252520guldan%2525202008.jpg&w=530&h=736&ei=k7kqUJs6quCLAo28gKAM&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=183&vpy=462&dur=437&hovh=237&hovw=172&tx=82&ty=140&sig=109728875650848696632&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=100&start=0&ndsp=43&ved=1t:429,r:27,s:0,i:159:

manchambo
08-14-2012, 01:53 PM
Not only was it obviously illegal, but he clearly went out of his way to avoid making an effective football play and instead jumped in the air to make sure he would have contact with the much taller player's head. If he was actually trying to play football, he would have kept his feet on the ground and driven through the body, as every defensive player is taught to do from the time he's five years old.

Irish Stout
08-14-2012, 02:00 PM
Dude it's football and should have been a clean hit. May as well start dressing the player in this. Last I heard this is a contact sport. Flame away if you will but I won't let them turn this into pansy ball without voicing my opinion.

If you watch close he pulls his head up and leads with the shoulder. Yes he does hit his head but you can tell he pulled back.

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=girly+football+players&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1680&bih=921&tbm=isch&tbnid=MLxMQ-d7St3QWM:&imgrefurl=http://detlaphiltdic.blogspot.com/2009/11/soccer-players-football-icons-famous.html&docid=zU7Rb-2VuchJfM&imgurl=http://www.hunkdujour.com/blog/gay_blogger/530/luke%252520guldan%2525202008.jpg&w=530&h=736&ei=k7kqUJs6quCLAo28gKAM&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=183&vpy=462&dur=437&hovh=237&hovw=172&tx=82&ty=140&sig=109728875650848696632&page=1&tbnh=130&tbnw=100&start=0&ndsp=43&ved=1t:429,r:27,s:0,i:159:

Dude, he hits the QB in the head with his shoulder pad. Whatever your opinions are on the rules, you know its against the rules to hit a QB in the head in any fashion and that the league is trying to protect defenseless players, which Leftwhich is. Should this be the rule? I don't know, but I know it is. Therefore, it is an illegal hit.

boltaneer
08-14-2012, 03:39 PM
Dude it's football and should have been a clean hit. May as well start dressing the player in this. Last I heard this is a contact sport. Flame away if you will but I won't let them turn this into pansy ball without voicing my opinion.

If you watch close he pulls his head up and leads with the shoulder. Yes he does hit his head but you can tell he pulled back.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

UNNECESSARY ROUGHNESS

(j) if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (1) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (2) uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body.

[...]

Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.

(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:

(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

ZONA
08-14-2012, 08:58 PM
his shoulder was a flying missile to the neck of the qb - correct call was made

Swedish Extrovert
08-14-2012, 09:14 PM
I still love how there wasn't even a flag thrown on this one:

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It's Harrison. That dude gets away with everything.

Fedaykin
08-14-2012, 09:18 PM
I say it was fine, he didn't lead with the helmet. I think they need to just let them play ball.


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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/dominique-rodgers-cromartie-thinks-dirty-hit-byron-leftwich-001241629--nfl.html


Not even close to legal.

cmhargrove
08-14-2012, 09:21 PM
I say it was fine, he didn't lead with the helmet. I think they need to just let them play ball.


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It was a stupid, senseless play with terrible technique and no common sense. The rules are very clear on this, illegal to intentionally hit the QB in the head. It's hard to think even DRC would defend himself on this one, he was (and I guess still is) and idiot for not apologizing.

TheReverend
08-14-2012, 09:24 PM
If he hit just a TAD bit lower it wouldve been fine, but just a little too high to be legal...

Broncos4tw
08-14-2012, 10:44 PM
If you watch close he pulls his head up and leads with the shoulder. Yes he does hit his head but you can tell he pulled back.

He LAUNCHED HIMSELF AT THE QB. What part of that do you not understand? He forcibly accelerated towards the QB with both legs, making himself in essence, a human missile. You do not do this unless you are trying to hurt the guy. How does launching yourself at a QB disrupt the play? He wasn't trying to disrupt the play, he was trying to punish the QB for making the throw.

I am all over the league and refs for making this game overly pansy-friendly. The way players get penalties for brushing against pretty boy Brady makes me sick. AND the way the get penalized for hard hits on players who just caught the ball. I think those are wrong - the whole point of a DEFENDER is to break up plays.

But this is obvious ill-intent. He wasn't trying to disrupt a play, or tackle a player with the ball. He was trying to hurt the QB. Sorry you feel this should be back in the days where they had leather helmets and lost an average of 3 teeth a game, but this is the modern NFL - players are much bigger, stronger, and faster, and you can end the career of a player in a second with a hit like that. He should have been penalized, and fined as well.

canadianbroncosfan
08-14-2012, 11:30 PM
The OP seems to be fixated on the "he didn't lead with his head so it's legal". He still made contact with Leftwich's head, going to get called every time. He did lead with his shoulder so if he aimed lower, it'd would've been a good hit.

Beantown Bronco
08-15-2012, 05:27 AM
It's Harrison. That dude gets away with everything.

Ummmm, what? He is the most fined player in the league ($125K in 2010 alone) and was the first player in league history to be suspended for his over the top hits on defenseless players.