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dictionary
08-14-2012, 10:09 AM
In before Slob makes an excuse thread:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/14/dontari-poe-may-be-chiefs-third-best-nose-tackle/

Tombstone RJ
08-14-2012, 10:16 AM
I'd love it if Poe turns out to suck but I seriously doubt kc gives up on him. They will coach him up for the next few years and then we'll see if he's a bust or not.

Look at Knowshon Moreno, taken #12. He may finally be effective this year.

Bronco Rob
08-14-2012, 10:20 AM
In the proud tradition of Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson.




Hilarious!

Drunken.Broncoholic
08-14-2012, 10:23 AM
A big bag of mashed up azzholes> Jackson Dorsey Poe.

ppablo
08-14-2012, 10:23 AM
In the proud tradition of Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson.




Hilarious!

Nice another wasted pick on the d line for the chefs...

Tombstone RJ
08-14-2012, 10:24 AM
drafting a DT in the top 10-15 is such a freaking gamble. However, there are some ways to protect yourself from making a mistake, like watching a lot of college tape on a player. Poe didn't pass that test so if he becomes a huge bust kc can only blame themselves.

broncosteven
08-14-2012, 10:29 AM
Glad we didn't take a flyer on him. Love MethWolfe, he seems to want to be out there cooking crank every day.

Mogulseeker
08-14-2012, 10:29 AM
I'd love it if Poe turns out to suck but I seriously doubt kc gives up on him. They will coach him up for the next few years and then we'll see if he's a bust or not.

Look at Knowshon Moreno, taken #12. He may finally be effective this year.

Knowshon was a consensus top 15 pick, though. Poe was a major reach at 11 - I saw some mock that had him going to Denver with the second round pick.

Tombstone RJ
08-14-2012, 10:35 AM
Knowshon was a consensus top 15 pick, though. Poe was a major reach at 11 - I saw some mock that had him going to Denver with the second round pick.

Yah, that is why I don't get down on McD for taken Knowshon. Fact is, pretty much everyone thought he was a very safe pick. However, all the holier-than-thou, know-it-all prognosticators on the OMange want to trample on the pick because "we needed defense!!!"

whatever.

DivineLegion
08-14-2012, 10:36 AM
It's a little nieve to call the guy a bust when everyone knew he would be a 2 year project. Nothing about this situation should be a surprise to anyone. If he is in the same situation 2-3 years from now, the chiefs should be concerned.

dictionary
08-14-2012, 10:37 AM
drafting a DT in the top 10-15 is such a freaking gamble. However, there are some ways to protect yourself from making a mistake, like watching a lot of college tape on a player. Poe didn't pass that test so if he becomes a huge bust kc can only blame themselves.

Agreed. I remember a lot of people were really excited about Brockers (LSU), and after watching the ST Louis v Indy game, I am glad we took the MethWolfe (Yeah, I am joining the bandwagon.)

OBF1
08-14-2012, 10:47 AM
Zero surprise... just glad the large group of posters that wanted him were not in charge of our draft.

The kid is a project, no one ever doubted that. Too call him a bust at this point is crazy. Give him 3 years of failure like Knowshon, then call him a bust.

Requiem
08-14-2012, 10:48 AM
Agreed. I remember a lot of people were really excited about Brockers (LSU), and after watching the ST Louis v Indy game, I am glad we took the MethWolfe (Yeah, I am joining the bandwagon.)

Welcome aboard, Dictionary. :curtsey:

DENVERDUI55
08-14-2012, 10:50 AM
In the proud tradition of Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson.




Hilarious!

In before kcpud throws stats out and tells us how good the two guys are. How many millions tied into these two one trick pony's. Poe is just Tank Tyler all over. Looks like tarzan plays like janes little girl.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 11:11 AM
Everyone knew that this pick was going take time. You expect him to be Vince Wilfork this year or something?

Poe is doing most of his work in the sub package, which is where he's needed right now.

All rookie 3-4 NT's need work. How many NT's have come into the league and dominated their first season? (Suh is not a NT btw)

broncocalijohn
08-14-2012, 11:17 AM
drafting a DT in the top 10-15 is such a freaking gamble. However, there are some ways to protect yourself from making a mistake, like watching a lot of college tape on a player. Poe didn't pass that test so if he becomes a huge bust kc can only blame themselves.

Way to protect that is to stop picking in the top 15. When they picked Poe, they had the warning signs before hand. Luckily for the Chiefs, their fans are seeing the greatness of Cassel coming around to score so many points, defense won't be a problem.

broncosteven
08-14-2012, 11:18 AM
Poe is doing most of his work in the sub package, which is where he's desperately needed.

He's gonna get a lot of playing time, but his focus won't be stopping the run. More pass rushing and taking up blockers.

All 3-4 NT's need work. How many NT's have come into the league and dominated their first season? (Suh is not a NT btw)

Sounds like he would have been a better fit if taken in a lower round if your talking value picks.

Don't worry when we bring up the fact he is still a 1st round bust years later you can always use the well at least we got him on our team argument the KM (small KM) faction we have here uses.

Lestat
08-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Agreed. I remember a lot of people were really excited about Brockers (LSU), and after watching the ST Louis v Indy game, I am glad we took the MethWolfe (Yeah, I am joining the bandwagon.)

Cox and Brockers were my #1 and #2. still think Brockers will do very well, he'll just take 2 years to fully develop.

Poe though is someone who was known to be a major project and putting him at NT was only going to make it a longer project.
though it is funny that KC can't develop a DL worth spit even with high picks. Hilarious!

KCStud
08-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Sounds like he would have been a better fit if taken in a lower round if your talking value picks.

Don't worry when we bring up the fact he is still a 1st round bust years later you can always use the well at least we got him on our team argument the KM (small KM) faction we have here uses.

And if he gets sacks this year? What would your excuse be? Just curious

Broncos_OTM
08-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Welcome aboard, Dictionary. :curtsey:

I'm just glad your done crying about the draft. whatever gets you on board

broncosteven
08-14-2012, 11:24 AM
And if he gets sacks this year? What would your excuse be? Just curious

I guess I wouldn't need one because then he might actually be playing up to a 15th overall pick value.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 11:26 AM
I guess I wouldn't need one because then he might actually be playing up to a 15th overall pick value.

If he is a bust in 3 years the fingers in KC will be pointed at Romeo. He was the one that wanted him.

Broncos_OTM
08-14-2012, 11:27 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3571957#post3571957

hey req still think Wolfe has less the. two sacks this year... EPIC

Hulamau
08-14-2012, 11:32 AM
Zero surprise... just glad the large group of posters that wanted him were not in charge of our draft.

The kid is a project, no one ever doubted that. Too call him a bust at this point is crazy. Give him 3 years of failure like Knowshon, then call him a bust.

In all fairness to Moreno, he started out pretty solid last year before blowing that knee. Still he has not been what a #12 should be by any stretch. We'll see if he even makes the team this year but odds are higher now without Fannin in the mix. Omon is his competition.

FantomForce
08-14-2012, 11:35 AM
BOOBIE YOU READY FOR THIS ****!!!!!

Paladin
08-14-2012, 11:40 AM
Everyone knew that this pick was going take time. You expect him to be Vince Wilfork this year or something?

Poe is doing most of his work in the sub package, which is where he's needed right now.

All rookie 3-4 NT's need work. How many NT's have come into the league and dominated their first season? (Suh is not a NT btw)

He's learning how to be a doorstop.

dictionary
08-14-2012, 11:47 AM
I'm just glad your done crying about the draft. whatever gets you on board

Eh, I never cried about any of the choices. I actually like the choices Elway et al made. I find it amusing that all the hot air that most of the media made on the other DTs and gave the Broncos a bad draft grade.

And, thanks. I had been lurking too much and needed to get more involved.

Bacchus
08-14-2012, 11:53 AM
And if he gets sacks this year? What would your excuse be? Just curious

He did not get sacks at Memphis what in the world makes you think he'll get any in the NFL?ROFL!

LRtagger
08-14-2012, 12:21 PM
How many NT's have come into the league and dominated their first season? (Suh is not a NT btw)

KC passed on one the year they reached for Tyson Jackson :wave:

Agamemnon
08-14-2012, 12:36 PM
Call me crazy, but I tend to think a guy drafted that high should be such a physical force that, despite any rawness, he should probably be starting in the first week. Being relegated to third string is a joke.

Houshyamama
08-14-2012, 12:36 PM
NT's take time to develop. However, dropping to 3rd string as the 11th pick sure as hell isn't a great sign, even for a NT.

razorwire77
08-14-2012, 12:41 PM
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DBroncos4life
08-14-2012, 01:10 PM
Everyone knew that this pick was going take time. You expect him to be Vince Wilfork this year or something?

Poe is doing most of his work in the sub package, which is where he's needed right now.

All rookie 3-4 NT's need work. How many NT's have come into the league and dominated their first season? (Suh is not a NT btw)

Marcell Dareus says hi.

Agamemnon
08-14-2012, 01:15 PM
Everyone knew that this pick was going take time. You expect him to be Vince Wilfork this year or something?

Poe is doing most of his work in the sub package, which is where he's needed right now.

All rookie 3-4 NT's need work. How many NT's have come into the league and dominated their first season? (Suh is not a NT btw)

There's a pretty big gap between "dominating" and being a backup to a backup.

Bacchus
08-14-2012, 01:53 PM
Call me crazy, but I tend to think a guy drafted that high should be such a physical force that, despite any rawness, he should probably be starting in the first week. Being relegated to third string is a joke.


Exactly no one drafts projects at #11 unless it is a QB. He is the exact opposite of Dumerville.

I'm telling you guys Poe's arms are so short he can't fight off any blocks. He looks like a friggin T-Rex out there!!!

Drunken.Broncoholic
08-14-2012, 02:09 PM
There's a pretty big gap between "dominating" and being a backup to a backup.

This.

Higher First rounders aren't supposed to be 3rd string. Ill give the benefit of the doubt since he's just starting, much like I did with Dorsey and Jackson. In the end it all looks bad for the chiefs.

55CrushEm
08-14-2012, 02:18 PM
Exactly no one drafts projects at #11 unless it is a QB. He is the exact opposite of Dumerville.

I'm telling you guys Poe's arms are so short he can't fight off any blocks. He looks like a friggin T-Rex out there!!!

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cmhargrove
08-14-2012, 02:34 PM
31281

The gift that keeps on giving...

KCStud
08-14-2012, 04:18 PM
Marcell Dareus says hi.

Dareus wasn't a NT last year dumbass.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 04:23 PM
There's a pretty big gap between "dominating" and being a backup to a backup.

I love how the information is relegated onto the national media. Poe will be playing in the sub package, which Romeo ran about 60% of the time last year and will run more this year, since we obviously didn't against Tebow last year (heavy running team), but will this year in the two games against Manning (heavy throwing team).

He's playing passing downs because he has a lot of work to do against the run.

DENVERDUI55
08-14-2012, 04:31 PM
Dareus wasn't a NT last year dumbass.

Dareus played a lot of NT I happen to watch a ton of Bills games since my fiance's family is lifelong Bills season ticket suite holders. You are the one who is clueless. They played a one gap 3-e4 scheme that is going to be very similar to the 4-3 under they will use this year. Dareus played the 1 technique which is a NT that lines up on the shoulder of the C. Now Dareus wasn't a 2 gap NT but not many people play that D but he did play a ton of 1 tech NT. He can play anywhere on the line unlike the workout warrior bust that KC drafted.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article729063.ece

Irish Stout
08-14-2012, 04:31 PM
Dareus wasn't a NT last year dumbass.

Yes he was dumbass.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
08-14-2012, 04:37 PM
31281

Should I eat this elf?

KCStud
08-14-2012, 04:42 PM
Dareus played a lot of NT I happen to watch a ton of Bills games since my fiance's family is lifelong Bills season ticket suite holders. You are the one who is clueless. They played a one gap 3-e4 scheme that is going to be very similar to the 4-3 under they will use this year. Dareus played the 1 technique which is a NT that lines up on the shoulder of the C. Now Dareus wasn't a 2 gap NT but not many people play that D but he did play a ton of 1 tech NT. He can play anywhere on the line unlike the workout warrior bust that KC drafted.
http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article729063.ece

"Even when we played a 3-4, we were playing an under defense, which is a 4-3 concept," Williams said.

The "under" front puts the 3-technique defensive tackle in a great position to make plays, because he's usually seeing one-on-one blocking.

NT's go against 2 blockers every single play. Playing the NT position "part time" is not the same as playing it full time. Nice try.

DBroncos4life
08-14-2012, 04:43 PM
Dareus wasn't a NT last year dumbass.

LOLROFL!Hilarious! How the **** can you even log on.

Irish Stout
08-14-2012, 04:53 PM
Let us see why we shouldn't argue with KCStud.

1. KCStud makes an inaccurate and stupid statement such as: Dareus wasn't a NT last year dumbass.

2. KCStud gets called out with facts - i.e. Dareus actually played a lot of NT and was moved to NT, since Kyle Williams (you know, the Bills NT last year) was injured, and had a breakout game at NT on October 30th against the Redskins.

3. KCStud moves the goalposts and insinuates the rest of us are idiots for not keeping up. Playing the NT position "part time" is not the same as playing it full time. Nice try.

4. KCStud doesn't realize he is an idiot.

5. One cannot argue that Dareus did not play NT last year because that is an incorrect statement. KCStud can. Thus, KCStud wins all arguments with stupidity.

Don't argue with idiots.

DENVERDUI55
08-14-2012, 04:57 PM
"Even when we played a 3-4, we were playing an under defense, which is a 4-3 concept," Williams said.

The "under" front puts the 3-technique defensive tackle in a great position to make plays, because he's usually seeing one-on-one blocking.

NT's go against 2 blockers every single play. Playing the NT position "part time" is not the same as playing it full time. Nice try.

Your a clueless idiot that knows zero about football. I already explained it but since you can carry on a normal conversation I'll try ot again. You said Dareus didn't play NT which is 100 percent wrong. He started there til Williams got hurt then shifted him over. A 1 tech is a NT responsible for 1 gap. No he didn't play the 0 technique but he did play on the nose and quite well. How do you define NT? Your clueless and can't even talk football unless you use fantasy football stats. Go ahead change subject or put a spin on your dareous didn't play NT statement. What does Jay Ratliff play in Dallas since we are talking schemes?

Irish Stout
08-14-2012, 05:01 PM
Your a clueless idiot that knows zero about football. I already explained it but since you can carry on a normal conversation I'll try ot again. You said Dareus didn't play NT which is 100 percent wrong. He started there til Williams got hurt then shifted him over. A 1 tech is a NT responsible for 1 gap. No he didn't play the 0 technique but he did play on the nose and quite well. How do you define NT? Your clueless and can't even talk football unless you use fantasy football stats. Go ahead change subject or put a spin on your dareous didn't play NT statement. What does Jay Ratliff play in Dallas since we are talking schemes?

Don't feed the idiots, they won't realize they just ate and they'll become fat lardy gluttons who do nothing but gobble up the b.s., demanding more and more all the time.

BTW- great explanation of the NT position. It actually helps me.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 05:09 PM
Your a clueless idiot that knows zero about football. I already explained it but since you can carry on a normal conversation I'll try ot again. You said Dareus didn't play NT which is 100 percent wrong. He started there til Williams got hurt then shifted him over. A 1 tech is a NT responsible for 1 gap. No he didn't play the 0 technique but he did play on the nose and quite well. How do you define NT? Your clueless and can't even talk football unless you use fantasy football stats. Go ahead change subject or put a spin on your dareous didn't play NT statement. What does Jay Ratliff play in Dallas since we are talking schemes?

So a player that plays in the NT position part time is the same as one that plays full time? C'mon man. Facing double teams every single play is brutal for any rookie entering the NFL. The Bills did a great job switching it up.

It amazes me that you didn't even watch the game and assume Poe did nothing. Watch the game. Houston's sack had DJ run straight through an open lane to the QB because Poe was taking up the G and C pushing them 3 yards back.
He also got a pass defended after driving the G back 4 yards into the pocket and using those "tiny" arms to bat the ball down.
Poe taking up double teams is meant to free other players to make plays. Perfect example Poe forcing the C and G to double him up leaving Tamba one-on-one with the OT. Most of the time Tamba is gonna get sacks/pressures if teams are stupid enough to put only an OT on him.

Just because he isn't starting doesn't mean he isn't gonna make an impact. BJ Raji only started 1 game his rookie season and played in a ton of pass rush situations. Hell people didn't like it that Aldon Smith was taken by the 49ers, then he didn't even start which made it worse. Look at what happened.

FireFly
08-14-2012, 05:10 PM
Ok. But seriously, we're talking about practice and preseason. I'm pretty sure this could be the coach trying motivate him to EARN his spot.

The broncos have done the exact same thing.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 05:17 PM
Broncos fans crack me up. I still remember in 2009 when this board laughed at Derrick Johnson for being 2nd string, then he owns Denver by getting 2 pick sixes in your own house. Now he's an elite LB and was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

Tombstone RJ
08-14-2012, 05:20 PM
Broncos fans crack me up. I still remember in 2009 when this board laughed at Derrick Johnson for being 2nd string, then he owns Denver by getting 2 pick sixes in your own house. Now he's an elite LB and was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

blah, blah, blah, Imma chef fan, hear me roar, blah, blah, blah.

DBroncos4life
08-14-2012, 05:20 PM
Broncos fans crack me up. I still remember in 2009 when this board laughed at Derrick Johnson for being 2nd string, then he owns Denver by getting 2 pick sixes in your own house. Now he's an elite LB and was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

Subject changed. Now we have come full circle ROFL!

Jetmeck
08-14-2012, 05:36 PM
Broncos fans crack me up. I still remember in 2009 when this board laughed at Derrick Johnson for being 2nd string, then he owns Denver by getting 2 pick sixes in your own house. Now he's an elite LB and was the best ILB in the AFC last year.



this is what I hate seriously hate about Chef fans..............one game equates to greatness in their world. The guy is a good LB, not elite
by any standards.

DENVERDUI55
08-14-2012, 05:47 PM
So a player that plays in the NT position part time is the same as one that plays full time? C'mon man. Facing double teams every single play is brutal for any rookie entering the NFL. The Bills did a great job switching it up.

It amazes me that you didn't even watch the game and assume Poe did nothing. Watch the game. Houston's sack had DJ run straight through an open lane to the QB because Poe was taking up the G and C pushing them 3 yards back.
He also got a pass defended after driving the G back 4 yards into the pocket and using those "tiny" arms to bat the ball down.
Poe taking up double teams is meant to free other players to make plays. Perfect example Poe forcing the C and G to double him up leaving Tamba one-on-one with the OT. Most of the time Tamba is gonna get sacks/pressures if teams are stupid enough to put only an OT on him.

Just because he isn't starting doesn't mean he isn't gonna make an impact. BJ Raji only started 1 game his rookie season and played in a ton of pass rush situations. Hell people didn't like it that Aldon Smith was taken by the 49ers, then he didn't even start which made it worse. Look at what happened.Injuries forced Dareus to the 3 tech. You said he didn't play NT which is a lie. Don't you get tired of getting owned in debates? I did watch the game and laughed at Poe getting pancaked couple of times. Oh yeah those were backup ol.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 06:08 PM
this is what I hate seriously hate about Chef fans..............one game equates to greatness in their world. The guy is a good LB, not elite
by any standards.

Yeah it's not like his 2010 and 2011 seasons were any good or anything huh?Hilarious!

DJ was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 06:10 PM
Injuries forced Dareus to the 3 tech. You said he didn't play NT which is a lie. Don't you get tired of getting owned in debates? I did watch the game and laughed at Poe getting pancaked couple of times. Oh yeah those were backup ol.

And there it is!!!! If you actually watched the game then you would have known Arizona kept their first team offense in the game for several drives into the middle of the 2nd quarter.

You didn't watch the game. Just admit it dude. It's not a big deal.

Drunken.Broncoholic
08-14-2012, 06:22 PM
I find it amusing you like to spend so much time on a Broncos website. That in itself shows your subconscious need to have to defend a pathetic team for over 40 years, or however long you been on this Earth.

Bacchus
08-14-2012, 06:22 PM
Your a clueless idiot that knows zero about football. What does Jay Ratliff play in Dallas since we are talking schemes?

I know I know..... he played t h e NOSE!!!! The same position Poe plays except he plays it much better.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=31281&d=1344975528

Bacchus
08-14-2012, 06:23 PM
Broncos fans crack me up. I still remember in 2009 when this board laughed at Derrick Johnson for being 2nd string, then he owns Denver by getting 2 pick sixes in your own house. Now he's an elite LB and was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=31281&d=1344975528

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2012, 07:16 PM
In the proud tradition of Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson.




Hilarious!

And Ryan Sims and that savalli dude.

DaFace
08-14-2012, 07:20 PM
Anyone who is surprised by this clearly hasn't been paying attention. Everyone knew Poe was a project, and we won't really know whether he'll pan out for at least a couple seasons.

Garcia Bronco
08-14-2012, 07:21 PM
He did not get sacks at Memphis what in the world makes you think he'll get any in the NFL?ROFL!

As an NT his job is get triple teamed. Not
get sacks

broncosteven
08-14-2012, 08:03 PM
Yeah it's not like his 2010 and 2011 seasons were any good or anything huh?Hilarious!

DJ was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

That is like putting you in a room with the Kardashian's and you winning the smartest person in the room.

Let me take that back, those broads make a lot of money and must be doing something right so maybe I should change it to a couple bags of mulch.

Look at the ILB's in the AFC West

McClain
Mays
Spikes (I thought he was out of football)
Donald Butler
DJ

So yep DJ wins the AFC West and the bags of mulch probably do more for humanity but lose during the basic arithmetic round.

barryr
08-14-2012, 08:23 PM
I just never felt Poe was going to do much, especially his first year and I think odds are he never becomes anything but a backup, if that. At least on a good team, which the Chiefs aren't right now. Not sure if that wise to draft a guy that high if you consider him a project either.

KCStud
08-14-2012, 09:05 PM
That is like putting you in a room with the Kardashian's and you winning the smartest person in the room.

Let me take that back, those broads make a lot of money and must be doing something right so maybe I should change it to a couple bags of mulch.

Look at the ILB's in the AFC West

McClain
Mays
Spikes (I thought he was out of football)
Donald Butler
DJ

So yep DJ wins the AFC West and the bags of mulch probably do more for humanity but lose during the basic arithmetic round.

I said AFC not just AFC West. Kardashians>broncosteven

broncosteven
08-14-2012, 09:07 PM
I said AFC not just AFC West. Kardashians>broncosteven

Broncosteven>bag of mulch

At least for now.

Jetmeck
08-14-2012, 09:25 PM
Yeah it's not like his 2010 and 2011 seasons were any good or anything huh?Hilarious!

DJ was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

in your opinion which means jack.............

KCStud
08-14-2012, 10:28 PM
in your opinion which means jack.............

You think Jamaal Charles sucks. lol at your opinion Hilarious!

UberBroncoMan
08-14-2012, 10:36 PM
Broncos fans crack me up. I still remember in 2009 when this board laughed at Derrick Johnson for being 2nd string, then he owns Denver by getting 2 pick sixes in your own house. Now he's an elite LB and was the best ILB in the AFC last year.

It took him 6 years to be any good. He is a great ILB now, but that was hardly always the case.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-14-2012, 10:37 PM
You think I like that fat sack of **** pick?

No.

http://i.imgur.com/lvmxt.gif

Bob's your Information Minister
08-14-2012, 10:41 PM
Please, please do not accuse me of being a homer.

I think the Chiefs are going 8-8 this season.

broncosteven
08-14-2012, 10:46 PM
Please, please do not accuse me of being a homer.

I think the Chiefs are going 8-8 this season.

If Castle goes down 6-10

Bob's your Information Minister
08-14-2012, 10:50 PM
If Castle goes down 6-10

Don't tease me.

Bacchus
08-14-2012, 11:56 PM
As an NT his job is get triple teamed. Not
get sacks

I understand that. KCSTUD posted that Poe will get a bunch of sacks or something to that effect thus I responded that he did not get sacks at Memphis why would he get in in the NFL.

Come on Baja pay attention!!!:wave:

Simply Red
08-14-2012, 11:59 PM
Welcome aboard, Dictionary. :curtsey:

Methlabulous

Agamemnon
08-15-2012, 01:00 AM
I love how the information is relegated onto the national media. Poe will be playing in the sub package, which Romeo ran about 60% of the time last year and will run more this year, since we obviously didn't against Tebow last year (heavy running team), but will this year in the two games against Manning (heavy throwing team).

He's playing passing downs because he has a lot of work to do against the run.

What exactly is Dontari Poe going to do against the pass? Hilarious!

Bob's your Information Minister
08-15-2012, 01:23 AM
What exactly is Dontari Poe going to do against the pass? Hilarious!

His best asset right now is his pass rush. He was a pretty good pass rusher at Memphis and has a lot of quickness. Dude also ran a 4.98, which is ridiculous for a 350 pound man.

He's not ready to 2 gap.

broncocalijohn
08-15-2012, 01:33 AM
Anyone who is surprised by this clearly hasn't been paying attention. Everyone knew Poe was a project, and we won't really know whether he'll pan out for at least a couple seasons.

I remember our project player in George Foster. Waste of a high draft pick. You better hope it isn't that bad and yours is at #11.

Agamemnon
08-15-2012, 01:46 AM
His best asset right now is his pass rush. He was a pretty good pass rusher at Memphis and has a lot of quickness. Dude also ran a 4.98, which is ridiculous for a 350 pound man.

He's not ready to 2 gap.

The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.

Hilarious!

Bob's your Information Minister
08-15-2012, 02:19 AM
The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.

Hilarious!

Doesn't mean he wasn't a good pass rusher. We're talking about a DT, not a DE or OLB.

A lot of scouting reports on the guy talked about his pass rush ability.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1717351

Pass rush: Flashes exciting burst off the snap to penetrate. Can slip through gaps with his get-off and is an intimidating force for quarterbacks to avoid. Shows some natural balance and lateral agility to break down and chase the quarterback but has only phone booth quickness overall and is quickly left behind by mobile/alert passers

http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/2012/dt/dontari-poe/#ixzz23bJFnZ7V

Surprising athleticism, impressive first step, consistent get-off, good initial quickness, can beat linemen with his get-off and one move


http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dontari-Poe.php

Extraordinary physical specimen with truly rare blend of size / strength / athleticism.

NFL Player Comparison: B.J. Raji

Raji is another guy who goes about 340 and is a very good pass rusher.

We drafted Poe in part to play in our nickel package because A) he could rush the passer and B) he's also big enough to hold up against the run in that package. Last year we had issues getting run on in our nickel.

I don't even like the pick, because he was drafted way too high, but the guy has talent as a pass rusher.

Bacchus
08-15-2012, 05:24 AM
Doesn't mean he wasn't a good pass rusher. We're talking about a DT, not a DE or OLB.

A lot of scouting reports on the guy talked about his pass rush ability.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1717351



http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/2012/dt/dontari-poe/#ixzz23bJFnZ7V



http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dontari-Poe.php



Raji is another guy who goes about 340 and is a very good pass rusher.

We drafted Poe in part to play in our nickel package because A) he could rush the passer and B) he's also big enough to hold up against the run in that package. Last year we had issues getting run on in our nickel.

I don't even like the pick, because he was drafted way too high, but the guy has talent as a pass rusher.

Boob, he sucks you should save yourself embarrassment right now. He wishes he could be as good as Dorsey.

dictionary
08-15-2012, 08:09 AM
Methlabulous

I have lobbied for "Methlabulous" and "MethWolfe" as coup de grace words in Scrabble as well as Words with Friends.

/success!

cmhargrove
08-15-2012, 09:30 AM
Boob, he sucks you should save yourself embarrassment right now. He wishes he could be as good as Dorsey.

^ This.

There were LSU games where Dorsey looked like the most dominant D-lineman in the country. Poe, meh. Couldn't even dominate in C-USA.

BJ Raji? Raji was a real standout at BC. He made plays and looked dominant quite often. The only real question was if that was a product of being next to another "dominant" lineman (Ron Brace). Don't even try to compare Poe to Raji, their play and production are so tremendously different.

JLesSPE
08-15-2012, 09:35 AM
Here's the most obvious difference between Raji and Poe to me. Everyone noticed BJ Raji while he was playing. Everyone noticed Poe after he worked out at the combine. All I need to know.

Rohirrim
08-15-2012, 10:17 AM
His best asset right now is his pass rush. He was a pretty good pass rusher at Memphis and has a lot of quickness. Dude also ran a 4.98, which is ridiculous for a 350 pound man.

He's not ready to 2 gap.

"I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."

KCStud
08-15-2012, 11:47 AM
I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.

Beantown Bronco
08-15-2012, 12:10 PM
I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.

You are clearly on meth if you think Ngata wasn't dominant until 2009. He was a freaking All-Pro in 2008.

dictionary
08-15-2012, 12:25 PM
I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.

THAT is a very lofty comparison considering that Ngata actually started his rookie season. The "should" is really based on what most folks here have been pointing toward--production or the lack thereof.

razorwire77
08-15-2012, 12:26 PM
I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.

Fail. . .

razorwire77
08-15-2012, 12:35 PM
The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.

Hilarious!

That's what I don't get about "project players" with measurables. The guy is 350 pounds and runs a sub 5 second 40 and has overall ridiculous measurements for a guy his size, yet he was only 2nd team all conference USA. He had 5 sacks in three years while playing the likes of UTEP, Tulane, and Rice, and rushing the QB is his supposed to be his "strong suit." Hilarious!

If you can't get to the QB against Central Florida, how the **** are you going to get to the QB against Mike Iupati or Joe Thomas?

BroncoBen
08-15-2012, 01:38 PM
The guy had five sacks in three years at the college level. Actually at Conference USA level to be precise.

Hilarious!

Wasn't Poe the player that looked 'impressive' at the combine, but didn't really have much of college resume so to speak. I guess the proof is in the pudding.

broncocalijohn
08-15-2012, 01:53 PM
I wont rip on Conference USA players right now as we have Wolfe coming from the same conference. Of course our #1 draft pick (and much further back from Poe) will be in most plays. At #11, I would prefer a project guy like a QB. DT are hard to come by and I think the chiefs panicked.

razorwire77
08-15-2012, 02:04 PM
I wont rip on Conference USA players right now as we have Wolfe coming from the same conference. Of course our #1 draft pick (and much further back from Poe) will be in most plays. At #11, I would prefer a project guy like a QB. DT are hard to come by and I think the chiefs panicked.

Cincinnati is a Big East school. Memphis didn't move until this year. I get that Poe needs time to develop as a 2-gap. Still though the fact that the kid couldn't produce quality numbers in C-USA with his size, strength and speed is a massive red flag. Meth Wolfe was an All-American and averaged a sack per game facing the same level of competition, despite having less raw talent.

Look like Tarzan, play like Jane players rarely pan out. Especially in the trenches.

DaFace
08-15-2012, 02:08 PM
I wont rip on Conference USA players right now as we have Wolfe coming from the same conference. Of course our #1 draft pick (and much further back from Poe) will be in most plays. At #11, I would prefer a project guy like a QB. DT are hard to come by and I think the chiefs panicked.

The problem is, we (the Chiefs) really didn't have a ton of holes aside from NT and QB. Say what you will about Cassel, but the Chiefs are a more complete team outside of him than any time in the past decade. Outside of those two positions, any pick at #11 would have had to take the place of either a solid starter or a young guy who is still developing.

By the time we got to #11, the only QB who was even CLOSE to that level of talent left was Weeden, and that would have been awful, awful value (not to mention all of the other issues with Weeden).

So basically, the Chiefs took a project guy who COULD work out to be absolutely incredible, but who they weren't really counting on to step in and be "the guy" day 1. Was it worth the #11 pick? Probably not. But aside from saying that we should have traded down (which is always much easier said than done), I'm not sure who I would have rather seen them take.

Houshyamama
08-15-2012, 02:19 PM
The problem is, we (the Chiefs) really didn't have a ton of holes aside from NT and QB. Say what you will about Cassel, but the Chiefs are a more complete team outside of him than any time in the past decade. Outside of those two positions, any pick at #11 would have had to take the place of either a solid starter or a young guy who is still developing.

By the time we got to #11, the only QB who was even CLOSE to that level of talent left was Weeden, and that would have been awful, awful value (not to mention all of the other issues with Weeden).

So basically, the Chiefs took a project guy who COULD work out to be absolutely incredible, but who they weren't really counting on to step in and be "the guy" day 1. Was it worth the #11 pick? Probably not. But aside from saying that we should have traded down (which is always much easier said than done), I'm not sure who I would have rather seen them take.

This is a reasonable post. Isn't your OLine suspect or is my memory off base?

DaFace
08-15-2012, 02:25 PM
This is a reasonable post. Isn't your OLine suspect or is my memory off base?

Suspect, yes. But much better than it has been in the past. The weak link on our OL has been RT, and we brought in Eric Winston from the Texans who has solidified that hole nicely.

The interior is the bigger concern at this point, but Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson are both young guys that are developing, so you can't really replace them through the draft.

Ryal Lilja is the one remaining old guy that could probably be upgraded, but we picked Jeff Allen in the 2nd round that will hopefully pan out and take his place. Regardless, I don't think anyone will argue that it's a good idea to take a guard at #11.

Tombstone RJ
08-15-2012, 02:29 PM
The problem is, we (the Chiefs) really didn't have a ton of holes aside from NT and QB. Say what you will about Cassel, but the Chiefs are a more complete team outside of him than any time in the past decade. Outside of those two positions, any pick at #11 would have had to take the place of either a solid starter or a young guy who is still developing.

By the time we got to #11, the only QB who was even CLOSE to that level of talent left was Weeden, and that would have been awful, awful value (not to mention all of the other issues with Weeden).

So basically, the Chiefs took a project guy who COULD work out to be absolutely incredible, but who they weren't really counting on to step in and be "the guy" day 1. Was it worth the #11 pick? Probably not. But aside from saying that we should have traded down (which is always much easier said than done), I'm not sure who I would have rather seen them take.

fair enough but why not try to trade down? Even if kc took a trade that wasn't exactly great value, that is, they kinda did like the Broncos did and made a trade down that "could have been better"? At the very least you gain a few picks.

Heck, Pioli could have traded the #11 for something like a #1 in next year's draft and a #2 in this years draft, and some change.

Poe was just not worth the 11th pick IMHO. If I was Pioli I would have done everything possible to trade that pick even if it meant taking a trade that would be a little undervalued.

DaFace
08-15-2012, 02:35 PM
fair enough but why not try to trade down? Even if kc took a trade that wasn't exactly great value, that is, they kinda did like the Broncos did and made a trade down that "could have been better"? At the very least you gain a few picks.

Heck, Pioli could have traded the #11 for something like a #1 in next year's draft and a #2 in this years draft, and some change.

Poe was just not worth the 11th pick IMHO. If I was Pioli I would have done everything possible to trade that pick even if it meant taking a trade that would be a little undervalued.

Yeah, I don't disagree. It would have been nice to get an extra pick or two out of it. But wouldn't you agree that trading down isn't always what you hope it will be? I know you guys got lots of extra picks this year by trading down, but doesn't a part of you wonder who you COULD have had if you'd just "reached" a bit?

I'm no Pioli apologist; his refusal to address the QB situation is nearly unforgivable at this point. But aside from that, he's quietly and slowly taken a team that was absolutely god awful a few years ago and made it respectable.

Along the way, we've reached for a number of guys (Dorsey, Jackson, and Poe are the poster children here), and they are definitely being paid way more than they are worth. But at the same time, Dorsey and Jackson have turned into very solid, if not spectacular players. If Pioli feels like he has to reach a bit to get the guys he really thinks are worth it, I can't fault him based on the recent track record.

Houshyamama
08-15-2012, 02:40 PM
Suspect, yes. But much better than it has been in the past. The weak link on our OL has been RT, and we brought in Eric Winston from the Texans who has solidified that hole nicely.

The interior is the bigger concern at this point, but Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson are both young guys that are developing, so you can't really replace them through the draft.

Ryal Lilja is the one remaining old guy that could probably be upgraded, but we picked Jeff Allen in the 2nd round that will hopefully pan out and take his place. Regardless, I don't think anyone will argue that it's a good idea to take a guard at #11.

Yeah, we're more or less in the same boat at interior as Beadles and Walton are still developing.

55CrushEm
08-15-2012, 02:46 PM
You are clearly on meth if you think Ngata wasn't dominant until 2009. He was a freaking All-Pro in 2008.

KCMethStud?

Requiem
08-15-2012, 02:50 PM
Kansas City was clearly drafting for need. Reaching for him at #11? Yeah. Maybe they were skeptical of a trade down considering how many DT's were actually taken and might have been afraid of not getting their guy. What other NT prospect were they going to get anywhere in the draft? Wait for Akiem Hicks in the 3rd?

broncosteven
08-15-2012, 03:30 PM
Yeah, I don't disagree. It would have been nice to get an extra pick or two out of it. But wouldn't you agree that trading down isn't always what you hope it will be? I know you guys got lots of extra picks this year by trading down, but doesn't a part of you wonder who you COULD have had if you'd just "reached" a bit?

I'm no Pioli apologist; his refusal to address the QB situation is nearly unforgivable at this point. But aside from that, he's quietly and slowly taken a team that was absolutely god awful a few years ago and made it respectable.

Along the way, we've reached for a number of guys (Dorsey, Jackson, and Poe are the poster children here), and they are definitely being paid way more than they are worth. But at the same time, Dorsey and Jackson have turned into very solid, if not spectacular players. If Pioli feels like he has to reach a bit to get the guys he really thinks are worth it, I can't fault him based on the recent track record.

Rational KFC Fan,

Well done.

DENVERDUI55
08-15-2012, 03:30 PM
And there it is!!!! If you actually watched the game then you would have known Arizona kept their first team offense in the game for several drives into the middle of the 2nd quarter.

You didn't watch the game. Just admit it dude. It's not a big deal.

So Poe didn't play late in second quarter or in the second half you are telling me? Do you ever get tired of getting worked over like a rented mule? Almost everything you say is completely wrong.

KCStud
08-15-2012, 04:26 PM
fair enough but why not try to trade down?

We didn't trade down because Dontari Poe was who we had at the top of the board at the time and the Eagles were really high on Fletcher Cox and Dontari Poe. We didn't think Poe would be there if we traded down.

Read this:

http://igglesnest.com/2012/eagles-really-want-dontari-poe/

There have been plenty of rumors lately regarding the Philadelphia Eagles interest in trading up for either Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill or Mississippi State DT Fletcher Cox, however the prospect the Eagles are really targeting is Memphis DT Dontari Poe according to a trusted league source.

KCStud
08-15-2012, 04:28 PM
So Poe didn't play late in second quarter or in the second half you are telling me? Do you ever get tired of getting worked over like a rented mule? Almost everything you say is completely wrong.

Again you didn't watch the game. Poe didn't play very much of the 2nd half.

And I find it funny that a Bronco fan says he watched an entire Chiefs preseason game.

KCStud
08-15-2012, 04:33 PM
There's No Fire With This Smoke Of Criticism Of Dontari Poe



By BJ Kissel - Staff Writer

According to some, the verdict on the Chiefs first-round pick Dontari Poe is already in after just one preseason game.

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Aug 15, 2012 - It wasn't that long ago that everyone and their brother was wondering if Eric Berry was going to become the elite safety that he was supposedly destined to become. He was a rookie safety that had given up a few touchdowns in pass coverage in his first few games and Chiefs Nation was on-edge. Sounds familiar because even with the Chiefs great performance last week against the Cardinals some people have found something to be on-edge about now.

Was it really so long ago that people forgot that Berry didn't come in and play at a Pro Bowl level right away? He DID struggle in pass coverage and Chiefs fans WERE nervous that he might not be the all-world safety that everyone described him as being when the Chiefs drafted him 5th overall. The level of 'how nervous?' each particular fan was at the time would obviously vary from fan to fan. Just as the opinion of how Dontari Poe fits in with this team and his role moving forward would change from fan to fan.

Hearing that Dontari Poe has become the 'put-him-on-blast' flavor of the week is sickening at this point. There is apparently some kind of idea out there that he's not 'on-course' for what this team needs him to do to be a productive member of this team. For those people that believe he's not ready and that he's not going to be a good player for this team I'd just like to know what he is supposed to do for this team? And to provide examples of players that are asked to do what Poe's being asked to do and were successful in their first EVER NFL game? Or even their first NFL season?

If you expected Dontari Poe to step in during the Arizona Cardinals preseason game and dominate right away by splitting double-teams and get tackles for loss then you're going to be disappointed with 90% of draft picks overall, and 99% of defensive lineman. You would have been disappointed with Tyson Jackson, and he turned out to be pretty good. (Even ESPN figured it out finally, they were just 18 months late to the party).

You would have been disappointed with Eli Manning, and he's won a couple of big games after being TERRIBLE when he first started. You even have to throw Eric Berry, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson and Jamaal Charles in that conversation if you want it to hit a little closer to home. Those players were inconsistent at-best when they first got to the NFL, and yet we're attacking a rookie nose tackle of all people? It could easily be the hardest position in the NFL to come in and make an instant impact.

I loved Dontari Poe's comment during training camp about having to be 'a man' to play in the middle of the defensive line. He's not only facing grown men now, he's being taught a system in Romeo Crennel's 2-gapping defense that gives him the responsibility of tying up blockers and clogging holes. He's trying to be an immovable object when two guys on the other side (who are also on scholarship) have the responsibility of moving him. There's a reason that you don't see a lot of young NFL defensive lineman flourishing in a 2-gapping system. It takes time to develop this role.

The Chiefs have two of the best six run-stuffing, 2-gapping defensive ends in the entire NFL in Jackson (#1) and Glenn Dorsey (#6), and they didn't set the NFL on-fire when they first got into the league. It took time and they were developed by the same men who have had just a few weeks with Poe, a player with a ceiling higher than either of those other guys. The expectation that Poe should be dominating right now is as ridiculous as it is infuriating. Have we not learned our lesson in jumping to conclusions, even with defensive lineman specifically?

Everyone knew that Dontari Poe was going to need time to develop. I'm sorry but if you didn't know that then you weren't paying attention. One of the first things that Scott Pioli said about Poe after the Chiefs drafted him is that he loved his versatility and ability to not only play in the base defense as a nose tackle, but also as a pass-rushing defensive tackle in our subset defenses.

Last year the Chiefs spent about 50% of the time in each of these specific defenses, base and subset. It might take a year or two for Poe to learn the techniques and skills to effectively 2-gap in the base defense, but he should be able to contribute right away in our subset defense as a pass-rusher. So the Chiefs are getting value from him on the field in one aspect while he develops the other part of his game, which seems like the perfect scenario.

Some people want to point out the sudden success and praise that Anthony Toribio has been getting lately as some kind of a knock on Poe. You realize that it's alright if Toribio turns out to be good, right? One players' success and development over two years with coaches Anthony Pleasant and Romeo Crennel does not make another's development over a few weeks any less important moving forward, or exciting for that matter.

So for the Chiefs fans out there that aren't ridiculously rushing to judgement after one preseason game, remember that one of the best in the business in Romeo Crennel is developing a player with the size, strength, determination and work ethic unparalleled to players he's ALREADY developed. So don't worry about all the smoke being thrown talking about our rookie defensive lineman, there's no fire with this smoke.

http://kansascity.sbnation.com/2012/8/15/3243966/dontari-poe-is-at-camp-but-theres-no-fire-with-this-smoke

DBroncos4life
08-15-2012, 04:36 PM
Again you didn't watch the game. Poe didn't play very much of the 2nd half.

And I find it funny that a Bronco fan says he watched an entire Chiefs preseason game.

Why should he be posting on a KC message board a lot instead?

KCStud
08-15-2012, 04:40 PM
Why should he be posting on a KC message board a lot instead?

No he finds it too funny being followed by DBroncos4life like a puppy begging for a treat.:giggle:

DBroncos4life
08-15-2012, 04:43 PM
No he finds it too funny being followed by DBroncos4life like a puppy begging for a treat.:giggle:

Hilarious! I can't help but look at the train wreck that are your ****ing dumbass posts and watch you change the subject when you realize how ****ing retarded you are.

KCStud
08-15-2012, 04:59 PM
Hilarious! I can't help but look at the train wreck that are your ****ing dumbass posts and watch you change the subject when you realize how ****ing retarded you are.

Like you changing the subject now? Nice. Hilarious!

DBroncos4life
08-15-2012, 05:02 PM
Like you changing the subject now? Nice. Hilarious!

You ****ing retard the reason I look at your posts (as you call it following you around) is because you say so many dumb mother****ing things. How is that changing the subject you god damn retard!!!!!

KCStud
08-15-2012, 05:14 PM
You ****ing retard the reason I look at your posts (as you call it following you around) is because you say so many dumb mother****ing things. How is that changing the subject you god damn retard!!!!!

Name calling now. Even more change to the subject. Hypocrisy at its finest.

http://lans-soapbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Pot_Meet_Kettle.jpg

DBroncos4life
08-15-2012, 05:21 PM
Oh my ****ing god you are just so ****ing dumb.

Simply Red
08-15-2012, 05:35 PM
I have lobbied for "Methlabulous" and "MethWolfe" as coup de grace words in Scrabble as well as Words with Friends.

/success!


& i'm excited for this!

Bacchus
08-15-2012, 05:46 PM
I think Haloti Ngata is the proper comparison for what Poe should be like as a player. Brian Billick did a great job explaining it (I'll have to find the video).

Even Ngata needed to be developed. Ngata didn't become a dominating DL until his 4th season, and he is playing on the freaking Ravens defense.

Dude you want to find the proper comparison for Poe. Find any average Conferance USA NT and that is a worthy comparison. wow, you are going to be crused when this guy is cut.

Simply Red
08-15-2012, 05:56 PM
this guy is an enormous+useless African American.

R-Mac
08-15-2012, 05:56 PM
A proper comparison to Dontari Poe would be Michael Jasper. He would be 4th string if the Chefs had one more guy to play NT.

DENVERDUI55
08-15-2012, 06:37 PM
Again you didn't watch the game. Poe didn't play very much of the 2nd half.

And I find it funny that a Bronco fan says he watched an entire Chiefs preseason game.

Where did I say he played whole 2 nd half? I did watch the game he was pushed around by 2 string OL which is true. Not sure what your trying to accomplish other than digging a deeper hole. Your the board idiot and beat bob out on that which I never was thought possible.

KCStud
08-15-2012, 06:40 PM
Dude you want to find the proper comparison for Poe. Find any average Conferance USA NT and that is a worthy comparison. wow, you are going to be crused when this guy is cut.

Man you guys can't read. I'm not saying he's going to be Haloti Ngata. The point is that that is what will be expected of the guy and his draft slot.

KCStud
08-15-2012, 06:41 PM
Where did I say he played whole 2 nd half? I did watch the game he was pushed around by 2 string OL which is true. Not sure what your trying to accomplish other than digging a deeper hole. Your the board idiot and beat bob out on that which I never was thought possible.

He had some good plays and some bad plays. So you focusing simply on his bad plays is picking stats. And you say I do that?
Yeah he did get stonewalled a few times. He also got into the backfield frequently, tipped a pass, and took up a double team which led to Hali getting pressure on Skelton which led to...an INT. Who woulda thunk?

It's his first game though. There were flashes of power and speed. There were also flashes of poor technique and inexperience.

Bacchus
08-15-2012, 07:55 PM
Man you guys can't read. I'm not saying he's going to be Haloti Ngata. The point is that that is what will be expected of the guy and his draft slot.

Man you can't read. I did not say that YOU said he was going to be Ngata, BUT you were comparing him to NGATA. I just said that a more appropriate comparison for Poe would be any average DT in Conferance USA.

ozomulsion
08-16-2012, 12:53 AM
Zero surprise... just glad the large group of posters that wanted him were not in charge of our draft.

The kid is a project, no one ever doubted that. Too call him a bust at this point is crazy. Give him 3 years of failure like Knowshon, then call him a bust.

Rushing for nearly a grand in McDs Power running scheme counts as a year of failing? I see. His second year of almost 800 yards. I can certainly see that as a fail, but not really. His injury last year was a sure fail. RBs never tear their ACL, but I'll give you that it was in a fail of a game where he had 52 yards on 4 carries. Good post bro.

*WARHORSE*
08-16-2012, 01:26 AM
Doesn't mean he wasn't a good pass rusher. We're talking about a DT, not a DE or OLB.

A lot of scouting reports on the guy talked about his pass rush ability.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1717351



http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/2012/dt/dontari-poe/#ixzz23bJFnZ7V



http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DT/Dontari-Poe.php



Raji is another guy who goes about 340 and is a very good pass rusher.

We drafted Poe in part to play in our nickel package because A) he could rush the passer and B) he's also big enough to hold up against the run in that package. Last year we had issues getting run on in our nickel.

I don't even like the pick, because he was drafted way too high, but the guy has talent as a pass rusher.


I saw some tape of him playing at Memphis. There was this one play where he was supposed to be pass rushing, and he was going through the motions and all, but his eyes were on the ground. His eyes are rarely in the backfield. That spells....'ruh roh'.....on all kinds of levels to me.

I watched the first preseason game for you guys and watched him.

You probably have too, and my guess is you were at a loss for words.


I wasnt though. :kiss:


If its any consolation, I dread facing Hillis.

Beantown Bronco
08-16-2012, 06:27 AM
Man you guys can't read. I'm not saying he's going to be Haloti Ngata. The point is that that is what will be expected of the guy and his draft slot.

I see you're conveniently ignoring the fact that you completely whiffed on the "Ngata wasn't dominant until his 4th year" comment.

DENVERDUI55
08-16-2012, 09:55 AM
I see you're conveniently ignoring the fact that you completely whiffed on the "Ngata wasn't dominant until his 4th year" comment.

That's par for the course he gets completely owned and just changes subject or twists what he says to fit his bill.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 11:04 AM
I see you're conveniently ignoring the fact that you completely whiffed on the "Ngata wasn't dominant until his 4th year" comment.

Ngata was a good player his first few years, but wasn't dominant like he has been lately. He put it all together by the end of 2009.

Look at what he's done the last 2 years. He's become a much better pass rusher, he's batting more passes down, his rush defense is better.

It's not hard to see. It's not like he was a terrible player his first few years. He was very good, but now he's improved to a much better player than he was in that time.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 11:05 AM
That's par for the course he gets completely owned and just changes subject or twists what he says to fit his bill.

Like how you ignore all of Poe's good plays and just point out his bad one's. Look in the mirror dude. Hypocrisy is a foul stench.

Beantown Bronco
08-16-2012, 11:10 AM
Ngata was a good player his first few years, but wasn't dominant like he has been lately. He put it all together by the end of 2009.

Did you miss my earlier post on this? He was an ALL PRO in 2008.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 11:16 AM
Did you miss my earlier post on this? He was an ALL PRO in 2008.

So it took him time to develop. If you read my post you will see that that was the entire point I was trying to make. But no this board says Poe is a BUST because he wasn't Vince Wilfork in his first ever NFL game.

As for Ngata, he's become so much better of player since 2008. The last 2 years for him have been incredible.

Beantown Bronco
08-16-2012, 11:24 AM
But no this board says Poe is a BUST because he wasn't Vince Wilfork in his first ever NFL game.

Please provide a quote for this.

Irish Stout
08-16-2012, 11:52 AM
I see you're conveniently ignoring the fact that you completely whiffed on the "Ngata wasn't dominant until his 4th year" comment.

I provided a breakdown on why KC never loses an argument back on page 2. The conclusion is because he is an idiot and its not worth arguing with him. He fails to remember what his position is and takes up a new one at every turn.

UberBroncoMan
08-16-2012, 12:10 PM
So it took him time to develop. If you read my post you will see that that was the entire point I was trying to make. But no this board says Poe is a BUST because he wasn't Vince Wilfork in his first ever NFL game.

As for Ngata, he's become so much better of player since 2008. The last 2 years for him have been incredible.

Your single biggest flaw of logic is that you are comparing him to super stars.

EVERYONE has the "potential" after they're drafted to become the next star of the league. Just because he put up some good number in the combine doesn't mean a god damn thing in terms of him actually DEVELOPING as a FOOTBALL PLAYER.

It's ****ing absurd to defend it. He's either going to be a piece of **** that amounts to nothing, depth, a starter or a super star. ALL of these things are possible...and when you look at the history of the league, super star is the least likely possibility.

He's not a ****ing Andrew Luck or Von Miller coming out of the draft, where everyone KNEW the player would be a stud in the NFL. He's a combine hero that your team took a fly on with the HOPE they could turn him into an actual player that made use of those physical gifts.

I mean holy ****. I guess Brock is going to be the next Elway/Manning right? We drafted him. He has a rocket arm and a lot of great traits. ****. We've got a future All-Pro QB! Do you see how ****ing stupid that sounds... and we have two ****ing HOF QB's around him. Poe has no stars to mentor him...and his HC, who was around Wilfork, does not spend his time as a position coach.

KC took a risk on Poe that has an exceedingly high risk of failure if your expectations are that he's going to be an All-Pro player. Remember how ****ing solid of a pick Tyson Jackson was supposed to be? THIRD OVERALL.

DENVERDUI55
08-16-2012, 12:12 PM
Like how you ignore all of Poe's good plays and just point out his bad one's. Look in the mirror dude. Hypocrisy is a foul stench.

His one good play?

Requiem
08-16-2012, 12:19 PM
Stop feeding the troll, really. Pretend the guy doesn't exist. Anyone who talks to KCStud is not a part of the MethWolfe Alliance.

Bacchus
08-16-2012, 01:42 PM
So it took him time to develop. If you read my post you will see that that was the entire point I was trying to make. But no this board says Poe is a BUST because he wasn't Vince Wilfork in his first ever NFL game.

As for Ngata, he's become so much better of player since 2008. The last 2 years for him have been incredible.

I can not believe that you think a guy drafted at #11 is running 3rd string. Behind an undrafted guy I believe. Defend him all you want who cares. The guy is running third string. He never did anything in college to warrant the 11th pick. Denver was considering taking him with the 1st pick in the 20's. I'm so glad he did not fall that far!!!

It's all about physics. The guy has midget arms on his body. You know how and oldeer boy just puts their hand on their young brother's head and watch him swing wildly in vain. That is what Offensive lineman do to Poe.

Look at how short his arms are.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/672/077/140085378_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

That is why he is dominated and that is why he'll never be good.

~Crash~
08-16-2012, 02:53 PM
he is slow off the line I thought my god who is that slow turd.. lol

KCStud
08-16-2012, 04:22 PM
His one good play?

He had a few actually. Just because you don't sack the QB doesn't mean it's a bad play. Taking up double teams to help other players make plays, getting deep into the backfield, defending passes.
Shall I provide proof of this?

KCStud
08-16-2012, 04:23 PM
I can not believe that you think a guy drafted at #11 is running 3rd string. Behind an undrafted guy I believe. Defend him all you want who cares. The guy is running third string. He never did anything in college to warrant the 11th pick. Denver was considering taking him with the 1st pick in the 20's. I'm so glad he did not fall that far!!!

It's all about physics. The guy has midget arms on his body. You know how and oldeer boy just puts their hand on their young brother's head and watch him swing wildly in vain. That is what Offensive lineman do to Poe.

Look at how short his arms are.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/672/077/140085378_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

That is why he is dominated and that is why he'll never be good.

It's cute when you think you know what you're talking about.

dictionary
08-16-2012, 05:05 PM
It's cute when you think you know what you're talking about.

We dont have to try and convince everyone in the world that we are correct. We know we are correct, and we even look really smart because of it: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/46933/broncos-are-howling-over-derek-wolfe.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 06:01 PM
We dont have to try and convince everyone in the world that we are correct. We know we are correct, and we even look really smart because of it: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/46933/broncos-are-howling-over-derek-wolfe.

Same here partner.

The true value of Tyson Jackson
August, 14, 2012
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ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- Tyson Jackson is maligned and probably will always be as long as he is with the Kansas City Chiefs. It goes with the territory of being a No. 3 overall pick.

Folks expect spectacular dividends from players drafted that high, but Jackson will never be spectacular. But he has been productive and is a big reason why the team's defense is expected to be one of the better units in the league.

The Chiefs value Jackson as one of the best run-stopping 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL. Yes, No. 3 picks should get sacks, but that’s not Jackson’s game. He has two sacks in three NFL seasons. The Chiefs will continue to get the brunt of their pass-rush from star Tamba Hali and youngster Justin Houston.

It's Jackson's job to halt the run and he does it well. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson had 38 defensive stops (characterized as tackles for an offensive failure on the play) in 2011. That total led the NFL in run stop frequency.

Kansas City defensive end Glenn Dorsey, the No. 5 overall pick in 2008, added 32. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson and Dorsey's totals were the highest in the NFL by 3-4 ends.

Like Jackson, Dorsey has been criticized for a being of high-pick bust. But these statistics and the Chiefs' improvement on the defensive front in the past year show these former high picks are making their presence felt.

Tim
08-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Tyson Jackson, Glenn Dorsey, and Dontari Poe

Suck

Bacchus
08-16-2012, 06:44 PM
It's cute when you think you know what you're talking about.

Weaknesses:

◦Had a great combine, but it didn't necessarily show up on the field
◦Has a reputation of taking plays off
◦Has difficulty breaking blocks when engaged
◦Below average pass-rushing skills
◦Short arms for his height, gives up a lot of leverage


Poe is an interesting prospect, to say the least. With the great combine, he likely improved his draft position. However, it is wide open as to where he may go. Carolina or St. Louis could be interested in him in the top-10. Philadelphia or the New York Jets could want him in the middle of the round while Pittsburgh or Denver could take him late in the first round. From what it looks like, Poe could be the very definition of someone who goes too high and does not pan out or gets drafted low and excels at the professional level.

While Poe impressed scouts at the Scouting Combine, he has not really impressed scouts on the football field during gameplay. Memphis plays in Conference-USA, which is not a conference known for its football talent. Despite this, Poe had a relatively small stat line during his three years at Memphis. In 2011 Poe had 33 tackles overall with eight tackles for loss. He also only had one sack and two forced fumbles.In the past, he has also received a reputation of taking plays off. While he may not play every down at the professional level, he is going to have to give it everything he has when he is on the field.

http://www.eagles101.com/2012/04/25/breaking-down-memphis-defensive-tackle-dontari-poe/

In conclusion. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane has midget arms and he will get dominated at the NFL level even more than he did in Conferance USA.

2KBack
08-16-2012, 06:50 PM
Same here partner.

The true value of Tyson Jackson
August, 14, 2012
AUG 14
5:40
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By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
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ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- Tyson Jackson is maligned and probably will always be as long as he is with the Kansas City Chiefs. It goes with the territory of being a No. 3 overall pick.

Folks expect spectacular dividends from players drafted that high, but Jackson will never be spectacular. But he has been productive and is a big reason why the team's defense is expected to be one of the better units in the league.

The Chiefs value Jackson as one of the best run-stopping 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL. Yes, No. 3 picks should get sacks, but that’s not Jackson’s game. He has two sacks in three NFL seasons. The Chiefs will continue to get the brunt of their pass-rush from star Tamba Hali and youngster Justin Houston.

It's Jackson's job to halt the run and he does it well. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson had 38 defensive stops (characterized as tackles for an offensive failure on the play) in 2011. That total led the NFL in run stop frequency.

Kansas City defensive end Glenn Dorsey, the No. 5 overall pick in 2008, added 32. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson and Dorsey's totals were the highest in the NFL by 3-4 ends.

Like Jackson, Dorsey has been criticized for a being of high-pick bust. But these statistics and the Chiefs' improvement on the defensive front in the past year show these former high picks are making their presence felt.

It was this kind of dominance that lifted KC to the 26th ranked run defense in the league

CEH
08-16-2012, 06:57 PM
Same here partner.

The true value of Tyson Jackson
August, 14, 2012
AUG 14
5:40
PM ET
By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND25TWEET35COMMENTS564EMAILPRINT
ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- Tyson Jackson is maligned and probably will always be as long as he is with the Kansas City Chiefs. It goes with the territory of being a No. 3 overall pick.

Folks expect spectacular dividends from players drafted that high, but Jackson will never be spectacular. But he has been productive and is a big reason why the team's defense is expected to be one of the better units in the league.

The Chiefs value Jackson as one of the best run-stopping 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL. Yes, No. 3 picks should get sacks, but that’s not Jackson’s game. He has two sacks in three NFL seasons. The Chiefs will continue to get the brunt of their pass-rush from star Tamba Hali and youngster Justin Houston.

It's Jackson's job to halt the run and he does it well. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson had 38 defensive stops (characterized as tackles for an offensive failure on the play) in 2011. That total led the NFL in run stop frequency.

Kansas City defensive end Glenn Dorsey, the No. 5 overall pick in 2008, added 32. According to Pro Football Focus, Jackson and Dorsey's totals were the highest in the NFL by 3-4 ends.

Like Jackson, Dorsey has been criticized for a being of high-pick bust. But these statistics and the Chiefs' improvement on the defensive front in the past year show these former high picks are making their presence felt.

The finacial side is where the real issue is. Paying all these top 5 picks for average production and no true game changing plays impacts the team

errand
08-16-2012, 07:22 PM
And if he gets sacks this year? What would your excuse be? Just curious

Barring injuries, do forsee him getting on the field?

KCStud
08-16-2012, 07:25 PM
The finacial side is where the real issue is. Paying all these top 5 picks for average production and no true game changing plays impacts the team

I agree, but Tyson Jackson took a pay cut this spring and there's nothing you can do about Dorsey's contract now. It was front loaded. Dorsey is only getting $5 million of his $51 million this year. Jackson's situation is all about next year when he is scheduled to make $14 million.

When he becomes a FA after this year, Dorsey won't get a big contract like he got as a rookie.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 07:27 PM
Barring injuries, do forsee him getting on the field?

He'll be on the field a lot in the sub-set, which will be ran about 60% of the time.

Broncos_OTM
08-16-2012, 07:28 PM
So it took him time to develop. If you read my post you will see that that was the entire point I was trying to make. But no this board says Poe is a BUST because he wasn't Vince Wilfork in his first ever NFL game.

As for Ngata, he's become so much better of player since 2008. The last 2 years for him have been incredible.

difference ngata didn't have any flaws. he was a can't miss.. Poe has a long way to go if he wants to be half the player ngata is

KCStud
08-16-2012, 07:30 PM
It was this kind of dominance that lifted KC to the 26th ranked run defense in the league

Nice cherry picking. KC had the 4th most rush attempts on them (over 500) and were 14th in yards per rush attempt with an old NT that struggled.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 07:32 PM
difference ngata didn't have any flaws. he was a can't miss.. Poe has a long way to go if he wants to be half the player ngata is

I agree. It's funny that people think I'm saying Poe is going to be Ngata.

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 07:34 PM
Nice cherry picking. KC had the 4th most rush attempts on them (over 500) and were 14th in yards per rush attempt with an old NT that struggled.

Thank god you guys replaced him with a young guy that sucks. LOL

KCStud
08-16-2012, 07:49 PM
Thank god you guys replaced him with a young guy that sucks. LOL

He's not playing much NT dumbass. It's so funny when you try so hardHilarious!

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 07:54 PM
He's not playing much NT dumbass. It's so funny when you try so hardHilarious!

Of course he isn't playing much, he is on the third ****ing team.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 07:55 PM
Of course he isn't playing much, he is on the third ****ing team.

No he's playing at the DE slot on passing downs far more often. Just stop dude. You're growing Hilarious!LOLROFL!

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 08:00 PM
No he's playing at the DE slot on passing downs far more often. Just stop dude. You're growing Hilarious!LOLROFL!

So no pass rush from the DL again this year? LOL

KCStud
08-16-2012, 08:08 PM
So no pass rush from the DL again this year? LOL

Pretty sure DJ and Tamba were beasts last year, and Houston looked awesome at the end. That's what their job is. But you don't know anything about the 3-4. I don't blame you. ROFL!

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 08:26 PM
Pretty sure DJ and Tamba were beasts last year, and Houston looked awesome at the end. That's what their job is. But you don't know anything about the 3-4. I don't blame you. ROFL!

Beasts! 27th in sacks! Watch the **** out!!!

<a href="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/7z5sb"><img src="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/7z5sb.jpg"></a>

I found a rare pick of Poe rushing the passer.

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 08:33 PM
http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/FACEPALM-11.jpg

Here is a question that even you cant possibly **** up:

What is the name of the position that Tamba Hali and Justin Houston play?
Does it include the word "linebacker" in it?

Shhh he is teaching me things about the 3-4 LOL I mean I know I said no rush from theDL Hilarious!

Bacchus
08-16-2012, 09:12 PM
Beasts! 27th in sacks! Watch the **** out!!!

<a href="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/7z5sb"><img src="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/7z5sb.jpg"></a>

I found a rare pick of Poe rushing the passer.

Damn, I have been searching for a Poe's picture but I couldn't find it. Props to you.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 09:20 PM
"In general, ideal front-seven players in the 3–4 are bigger and need to take on and defeat blocks more often in the running game."

" 3–4 defensive ends were usually defensive tackles (DTs) when entering at first. They must be strong at the point of attack and are aligned in most cases head-up on an offensive tackle. First and foremost, they must control run gaps. Size and strength become more of a factor for linemen in 3–4 defenses than in 4–3 defenses because they move primarily within the confines of line play and seldom are in space using athletic ability. Ideally 3–4 DEs should weigh 285–300 pounds (129–140 kg) and be able to beat double teams by getting a push.[8] The 3–4 nose tackle is considered the most physically demanding position in football.[9] His primary responsibility is to control the “A” gaps, the two openings between the center and guards, and not get pushed back into his linebackers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–4_defense

No wait wait the DL are all supposed to be Jared Allen and get 22 sacks each!!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Bacchus
08-16-2012, 09:24 PM
"In general, ideal front-seven players in the 3–4 are bigger and need to take on and defeat blocks more often in the running game."

" 3–4 defensive ends were usually defensive tackles (DTs) when entering at first. They must be strong at the point of attack and are aligned in most cases head-up on an offensive tackle. First and foremost, they must control run gaps. Size and strength become more of a factor for linemen in 3–4 defenses than in 4–3 defenses because they move primarily within the confines of line play and seldom are in space using athletic ability. Ideally 3–4 DEs should weigh 285–300 pounds (129–140 kg) and be able to beat double teams by getting a push.[8] The 3–4 nose tackle is considered the most physically demanding position in football.[9] His primary responsibility is to control the “A” gaps, the two openings between the center and guards, and not get pushed back into his linebackers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–4_defense

No wait wait the DL are all supposed to be Jared Allen and get 22 sacks each!!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Weaknesses:

◦Had a great combine, but it didn't necessarily show up on the field
◦Has a reputation of taking plays off
◦Has difficulty breaking blocks when engaged
◦Below average pass-rushing skills
◦Short arms for his height, gives up a lot of leverage

Poe is an interesting prospect, to say the least. With the great combine, he likely improved his draft position. However, it is wide open as to where he may go. Carolina or St. Louis could be interested in him in the top-10. Philadelphia or the New York Jets could want him in the middle of the round while Pittsburgh or Denver could take him late in the first round. From what it looks like, Poe could be the very definition of someone who goes too high and does not pan out or gets drafted low and excels at the professional level.

While Poe impressed scouts at the Scouting Combine, he has not really impressed scouts on the football field during gameplay. Memphis plays in Conference-USA, which is not a conference known for its football talent. Despite this, Poe had a relatively small stat line during his three years at Memphis. In 2011 Poe had 33 tackles overall with eight tackles for loss. He also only had one sack and two forced fumbles.In the past, he has also received a reputation of taking plays off. While he may not play every down at the professional level, he is going to have to give it everything he has when he is on the field.In conclusion. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane has midget arms and he will get dominated at the NFL level even more than he did in Conferance USA.

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 09:25 PM
ROFL!LOL Only KC fans wouldn't want a 3-4 DE/NT that could rush the passer as well as stop the run like Warren, Seymour, or Wilfork!

True or False it is OK for a 3-4 DE to be able to sack the QB?

KCStud
08-16-2012, 09:25 PM
Beasts! 27th in sacks! Watch the **** out!!!

<a href="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/7z5sb"><img src="http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/7z5sb.jpg"></a>

I found a rare pick of Poe rushing the passer.

Yeah I'm sure Melvin Ingram and Riley Reiff are gonna suck too because they don't have long arms. Hilarious!

Beantown Bronco
08-16-2012, 09:26 PM
Shall I provide proof of this?

That would be a first. Please do.

KCStud
08-16-2012, 09:27 PM
ROFL!LOL Only KC fans wouldn't want a 3-4 DE/NT that could rush the passer as well as stop the run like Warren, Seymour, or Wilfork!

True or False it is OK for a 3-4 DE to be able to sack the QB?

No they all have to get 22 sacks every year because they are 3-4, I mean 4-3 DE's Hilarious!

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 09:30 PM
No they all have to get 22 sacks every year because they are 3-4, I mean 4-3 DE's Hilarious!

22? That is 5 less then your **** team did all year. Lets try low maybe 3 from a 3-4 DE. ROFL!

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 09:40 PM
Care to take a guess on how many 3-4 DE's had at least 5 sacks last year?

KCStud
08-16-2012, 09:55 PM
Care to take a guess on how many 3-4 DE's had at least 5 sacks last year?

And how good were they against the run or taking up blocks (their primary responsibility)?

Here's a hint:not as good as Dorsey/Jackson

But yeah, sacks are the only thing that matters for 3-4 DL huh?

KCStud
08-16-2012, 10:05 PM
That would be a first. Please do.

4 yard push into the backfield and tipped pass
<a href="http://www.gifbin.com/982032"><img src="http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1158702/poequack.gif" alt="funny animated gif"></a>

Poe taking up a double team leaving Hali one-on-one resulting in Hali pressure and an INT.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g148/saphojunkie/poedoubleteam.jpg

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 10:19 PM
And how good were they against the run or taking up blocks (their primary responsibility)?

Here's a hint:not as good as Dorsey/Jackson

But yeah, sacks are the only thing that matters for 3-4 DL huh?

LOL 26th in the NFL in stopping the run. **** man they are BEASTS like your pass rushers!

Bacchus
08-16-2012, 10:29 PM
4 yard push into the backfield and tipped pass
<a href="http://www.gifbin.com/982032"><img src="http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1158702/poequack.gif" alt="funny animated gif"></a>

Poe taking up a double team leaving Hali one-on-one resulting in Hali pressure and an INT.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g148/saphojunkie/poedoubleteam.jpg

and he is still 3rd string, don't worry one of these days he mmight makeit to second string. Then you will really be proud.:sunshine:

KCStud
08-16-2012, 10:53 PM
LOL 26th in the NFL in stopping the run. **** man they are BEASTS like your pass rushers!

You could not be more of a dumbass. Yards per rush attempt is the proper way of deciding rush defense, not yards given up. Of course KC gave up more yards than the #1 rush yards allowed total (Saints) did. Teams ran the ball on KC almost 200 more times.

But let me guess, the Saints were a way better rush defense because they gave up less total rush yards despite KC having 508 rush attempts on them compared to the Saints 351. New Orleans gave up 5.0 yards per rush average compared to KC's 4.2.


But yeah the Saints are definitely better there. Hilarious!

KCStud
08-16-2012, 10:59 PM
and he is still 3rd string, don't worry one of these days he mmight makeit to second string. Then you will really be proud.:sunshine:

Shocking answer. Preseason depth charts mean everything yes? How's Jarvis Mossbust working out for ya? Or Robert Ayersbust? Tim Crowderbust? Hilarious!

Jetmeck
08-16-2012, 11:06 PM
Uh KC was 14th in YPCA. KC was the 4th most run on team in the league. That kinda makes a difference. dumbass.

Did POE have any sacks ? if so i missed it...........?

Wolfe had a couple for us and was a constant nuisance.

BTW what did I tell ya about Hillis ? 4/44 and a td

gonna more outa him that scatback boy.............

Manning was dead on target every pass but one............

you guys are toast...................Hilarious!

KCStud
08-16-2012, 11:12 PM
Did POE have any sacks ? if so i missed it...........?

Wolfe had a couple for us and was a constant nuisance.

BTW what did I tell ya about Hillis ? 4/44 and a td

gonna more outa him that scatback boy.............

Manning was dead on target every pass but one............

you guys are toast...................Hilarious!

In 1 NFL preseason game? Manning also had no TD's, an INT, and another near INT off a tipped pass. Guess that means he sucks by your standards.

Jetmeck
08-16-2012, 11:19 PM
In 1 NFL preseason game? Manning also had no TD's, an INT, and another near INT off a tipped pass. Guess that means he sucks by your standards.

well heh our guy did something,,,,,,did yours ?

three tipped passes but they were on target even though that darn lb got in the way............ha point being he is his old self

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 11:20 PM
You could not be more of a dumbass. Yards per rush attempt is the proper way of deciding rush defense, not yards given up. Of course KC gave up more yards than the #1 rush yards allowed total (Saints) did. Teams ran the ball on KC almost 200 more times.

But let me guess, the Saints were a way better rush defense because they gave up less total rush yards despite KC having 508 rush attempts on them compared to the Saints 351. New Orleans gave up 5.0 yards per rush average compared to KC's 4.2.


But yeah the Saints are definitely better there. Hilarious!

Spin spin spin. Saints rush D did suck you retard. That doesn't mean yours didn't!

KCStud
08-16-2012, 11:36 PM
Spin spin spin. Saints rush D did suck you retard. That doesn't mean yours didn't!

Teams ran the ball on the 49ers only 353 times. Teams ran the ball on KC 508 times. If teams ran the ball on the Chiefs 353 times, KC would have given up 1483 yards, which would have been.....you guessed it....3rd in the NFL.

But I guess by that theory, KC's secondary was way better than yours last year with Eric Berry gone. Guess Champ didn't do that much last year huh? Your logic not mine!

KCStud
08-16-2012, 11:41 PM
Guess you're right DBronco. Preseason means everything! Hell the Browns beat the Packers 35-10! Guess that means the Browns are better than the Packers right? Hilarious!LOLROFL!

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 11:44 PM
Ok Stud, Denvers run D was .1 yard per attempt better then KC. Convince me that Denver had a good run D.

DBroncos4life
08-16-2012, 11:46 PM
Guess you're right DBronco. Preseason means everything! Hell the Browns beat the Packers 35-10! Guess that means the Browns are better than the Packers right? Hilarious!LOLROFL!

Show one post about me claiming preseason means something!

Simply Red
08-16-2012, 11:56 PM
Show one post about me claiming preseason means something!

I would look under statistics+'find all DBroncos4life posts' - but Taco John's ****ty server keeps timing out.

Simply Red
08-16-2012, 11:58 PM
just know I'm on your case buddy & tomorrow when this server works, I'm going to serve you over a chikfila biscuit sipping a warm cup of joe.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 12:04 AM
Show one post about me claiming preseason means something!

Go back to the OP and read on. A player is 3rd string in preseason. Preseason!
Love how you forget to point out that Poe is starting on all passing downs, roughly 70% of the defensive lineup this year.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 12:04 AM
Ok Stud, Denvers run D was .1 yard per attempt better then KC. Convince me that Denver had a good run D.

Brodrick Bunkley. Nuff said. And now he's gone.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2012, 12:06 AM
Go back to the OP and read on. A player is 3rd string in preseason. Preseason!
Love how you forget to point out that Poe is starting on all passing downs, roughly 70% of the defensive lineup this year.

He sucked before he got to the NFL.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2012, 12:07 AM
Brodrick Bunkley. Nuff said. And now he's gone.

LOLROFL!Hilarious!

KCStud
08-17-2012, 12:11 AM
LOLROFL!Hilarious!

So what other DL was stopping the run? We sure as hell know Dumbassvile sucks at it. Ayers isn't much better. Warren was hurt. Not real hard to see he was a rock for you guys last year.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 12:16 AM
He sucked before he got to the NFL.

Lol put Poe on Alabama's defense and he's a top 5 pick. Dude was triple teamed in college every play, played every down, had a new scheme to learn every year, and played all over the DL and still looked good enough to scouts. He was being talked about as a late first round pick before the combine. It's not like he was a 7th round player who rose up because of the combine.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 12:18 AM
OH MY GOD WHAT ARE THESE LIES! HE WAS ABOUT TO BE CUT YESTERDAY!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!

Chiefs feel good about Dontari Poe
August, 14, 2012
AUG 14
12:30
PM ET
By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND3TWEET33COMMENTS672EMAILPRINT
ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- One of the first impressions I have gotten from the Kansas City Chiefs' training camp is that Dontari Poe hasn’t been a disappointment to the team.

There have been some indications that the No. 11 overall pick in the April is behind the curve or hasn’t lived up to expectations.

The truth is, Poe has been in the Chiefs’ training camp for less than three weeks. The early returns are not dire, according to several folks with the team I have talked to. The team is actually pleased with the progress the massive defensive tackle is making.

I think a part of the issue is that Kansas City coach Romeo Crennel is being measured with his words about Poe. Make no mistake, however, Crennel hasn’t been critical.

Crennel’s theme when asked about Poe’s progress is that he has a lot to work to do. It’s true. He is a rookie. Rookies have a lot to work to do. Remember, Crennel is an old-school coach. He comes from the Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick mold. These guys have never been known to pump up players just to do so.

Rookies have to earn praise. That’s the approach Crennel has always taken. He always will.

But the key to Crennel’s words about Poe is that he is working hard and he wants to improve. For a player who was questioned about his motivation, that is a positive sign. We don’t know if Poe will be a good player or not. It’s only August 14. But rest assured, the Chiefs have zero buyer’s remorse on Poe. They think he is on pace to become a productive player.

He just isn’t one yet. Nor is any rookie in the NFL.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/46790/chiefs-fell-good-about-dontari-poe

canadianbroncosfan
08-17-2012, 12:27 AM
OH MY GOD WHAT ARE THESE LIES! HE WAS ABOUT TO BE CUT YESTERDAY!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!

Chiefs feel good about Dontari Poe
August, 14, 2012
AUG 14
12:30
PM ET
By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND3TWEET33COMMENTS672EMAILPRINT
ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- One of the first impressions I have gotten from the Kansas City Chiefs' training camp is that Dontari Poe hasn’t been a disappointment to the team.

There have been some indications that the No. 11 overall pick in the April is behind the curve or hasn’t lived up to expectations.

The truth is, Poe has been in the Chiefs’ training camp for less than three weeks. The early returns are not dire, according to several folks with the team I have talked to. The team is actually pleased with the progress the massive defensive tackle is making.

I think a part of the issue is that Kansas City coach Romeo Crennel is being measured with his words about Poe. Make no mistake, however, Crennel hasn’t been critical.

Crennel’s theme when asked about Poe’s progress is that he has a lot to work to do. It’s true. He is a rookie. Rookies have a lot to work to do. Remember, Crennel is an old-school coach. He comes from the Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick mold. These guys have never been known to pump up players just to do so.

Rookies have to earn praise. That’s the approach Crennel has always taken. He always will.

But the key to Crennel’s words about Poe is that he is working hard and he wants to improve. For a player who was questioned about his motivation, that is a positive sign. We don’t know if Poe will be a good player or not. It’s only August 14. But rest assured, the Chiefs have zero buyer’s remorse on Poe. They think he is on pace to become a productive player.

He just isn’t one yet. Nor is any rookie in the NFL.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/46790/chiefs-fell-good-about-dontari-poe

Hmm that's weird every report I've read about Andrew Luck differs. They think he was quite productive. And yes I know we're talking about the #1 v. #11 pick however the quote was ANY

DBroncos4life
08-17-2012, 12:39 AM
So what other DL was stopping the run? We sure as hell know Dumbassvile sucks at it. Ayers isn't much better. Warren was hurt. Not real hard to see he was a rock for you guys last year.

Ha ha do you know what % of snaps he played?

DBroncos4life
08-17-2012, 12:42 AM
Lol put Poe on Alabama's defense and he's a top 5 pick. Dude was triple teamed in college every play, played every down, had a new scheme to learn every year, and played all over the DL and still looked good enough to scouts. He was being talked about as a late first round pick before the combine. It's not like he was a 7th round player who rose up because of the combine.

If he was good enough he would have been on Alabama.

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 12:56 AM
I like how KCPuD thinks all 3-4 schemes are 2 gap. He has no real knowledge just googles and posts what he Google.

Ironlung
08-17-2012, 08:05 AM
This thread is turning into another chiefs suck thread, i.e. KCPud getting owned all over the place. I seriously can't believe he keeps coming back. It actually makes me feel embarrassed for him.

Bacchus
08-17-2012, 09:32 AM
Lol put Poe on Alabama's defense and he's a top 5 pick. Dude was triple teamed in college every play, played every down, had a new scheme to learn every year, and played all over the DL and still looked good enough to scouts. He was being talked about as a late first round pick before the combine. It's not like he was a 7th round player who rose up because of the combine.

So surround POE with great players and he will play better? wow, and you drafted him at #11. Don't you think your 11th selection should be the player making everyone else better? You know lifting the team?

He played at friggin Memphis and the dude was INVISIBLE!! You put him on Alabama and he does not even start and you take away his combine and he isn't even a 1st round pick.

This is what mystifies me. The combine is all about numbers you would think once NFL executives saw that Poe had arms like a T-rex his stock who have dropped. I guess KC got all gleary eyed from his other measuables. Anyway, I am thrilled KC took him because I kept reading Denver was interested if he fell that far.

Bacchus
08-17-2012, 09:32 AM
This thread is turning into another chiefs suck thread, i.e. KCPud getting owned all over the place. I seriously can't believe he keeps coming back. It actually makes me feel embarrassed for him.

In his eyes he is undefeated and KC has won the last 15 Super Bowls.

dictionary
08-17-2012, 09:42 AM
Go back to the OP and read on. A player is 3rd string in preseason. Preseason!
Love how you forget to point out that Poe is starting on all passing downs, roughly 70% of the defensive lineup this year.

OP here. My point was that a high 1st round draft pick is 3rd sting, is an obvious bad sign since 1st round draft picks (outside of the QB position) are 99.9% of the time expected to start. Players in much later rounds such as the 4th on are considered developmental projects.

You are still a 'tard. Always and forever. Amen.

Tombstone RJ
08-17-2012, 09:55 AM
OP here. My point was that a high 1st round draft pick is 3rd sting, is an obvious bad sign since 1st round draft picks (outside of the QB position) are 99.9% of the time expected to start. Players in much later rounds such as the 4th on are considered developmental projects.

You are still a 'tard. Always and forever. Amen.

yep, you don't draft a guy #11 overall and expect him to sit on the pine. You draft that guy to make an immediate impact. It's no different than when kc drafted Jackson or Hali or Berry or whatever defensive player they draft in the first round, especially high in the first round. :wave:

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 11:10 AM
Pretty sure DJ and Tamba were beasts last year, and Houston looked awesome at the end. That's what their job is. But you don't know anything about the 3-4. I don't blame you. ROFL!

How come the all time sack leader in the NFL played in a 3-4 for almost all of his career? Again you know nothing about schemes.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 11:21 AM
How come the all time sack leader in the NFL played in a 3-4 for almost all of his career? Again you know nothing about schemes.

So one player...ONE player having great success as a pass rusher in the 3-4 mean that every player should be him? Got it.

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 11:21 AM
"In general, ideal front-seven players in the 3–4 are bigger and need to take on and defeat blocks more often in the running game."

" 3–4 defensive ends were usually defensive tackles (DTs) when entering at first. They must be strong at the point of attack and are aligned in most cases head-up on an offensive tackle. First and foremost, they must control run gaps. Size and strength become more of a factor for linemen in 3–4 defenses than in 4–3 defenses because they move primarily within the confines of line play and seldom are in space using athletic ability. Ideally 3–4 DEs should weigh 285–300 pounds (129–140 kg) and be able to beat double teams by getting a push.[8] The 3–4 nose tackle is considered the most physically demanding position in football.[9] His primary responsibility is to control the “A” gaps, the two openings between the center and guards, and not get pushed back into his linebackers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–4_defense

No wait wait the DL are all supposed to be Jared Allen and get 22 sacks each!!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!
Let's expand on your article. According to former general manager Randy Mueller, “the 3–4 defensive end is easier to identify and find when it comes to scouting and acquiring personnel,” while 4–3 DEs “are rare and hard to find and therefore very expensive to keep. There is no question that speed pass rushers are very much an impact position on the football field and their cap numbers reflect that. On the other hand, 3–4 defensive ends can be found easier and are much less expensive when it comes to ‘cap dollars’.”[8]

That makes a lot of sense for KC to tie up millions of dollars in one trick pony's.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 11:22 AM
OP here. My point was that a high 1st round draft pick is 3rd sting, is an obvious bad sign since 1st round draft picks (outside of the QB position) are 99.9% of the time expected to start. Players in much later rounds such as the 4th on are considered developmental projects.

You are still a 'tard. Always and forever. Amen.

BJ Raji was taken top 10. Started 1 game. Aldon Smith high first round pick. Didn't start. Shall I continue?

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 11:24 AM
So one player...ONE player having great success as a pass rusher in the 3-4 mean that every player should be him? Got it.

No the fact that you think all 3-4 schemes are the same shows what a moron you are.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 11:28 AM
Let's expand on your article. According to former general manager Randy Mueller, “the 3–4 defensive end is easier to identify and find when it comes to scouting and acquiring personnel,” while 4–3 DEs “are rare and hard to find and therefore very expensive to keep. There is no question that speed pass rushers are very much an impact position on the football field and their cap numbers reflect that. On the other hand, 3–4 defensive ends can be found easier and are much less expensive when it comes to ‘cap dollars’.”[8]

That makes a lot of sense for KC to tie up millions of dollars in one trick pony's.

And look at the situation the Chiefs were in. Just went to a 3-4 and had no proven DE's for the system (Dorsey was a complete unknown and played DT in the 4-3 his whole career). Jackson was by far the best option in a very weak class of 3-4 DE's.

Love how you guys claim he's a bust. He looks pretty damn good compared to the rest of the top 10 picks. Aaron Curry (who experts said we should have drafted) was cut, Maybin cut, Heyward-Bey has been lackluster, same for Crabtree, Eugene Monroe sucks, Sanchez is vastly overrated, Andre Smith sucks, and Jason Smith was replaced by Barry Richardson this week. That's right, you heard me....Barry Richardson, the worst RT in the NFL last year.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 11:30 AM
No the fact that you think all 3-4 schemes are the same shows what a moron you are.

Hypocrisy at its finest.The fact that KC's scheme doesn't have to have the DE's pile up 10 sacks is the point I'm making, but yet you and everyone else think it is.

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 11:34 AM
4 yard push into the backfield and tipped pass
<a href="http://www.gifbin.com/982032"><img src="http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1158702/poequack.gif" alt="funny animated gif"></a>

Poe taking up a double team leaving Hali one-on-one resulting in Hali pressure and an INT.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g148/saphojunkie/poedoubleteam.jpg

LOL that pass was tipped by Hali and Poe got stoned on that other play. He is stopped right where Sendlein engages him. If you played football you would realize you shuffle back a little when pass protecting.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 11:37 AM
LOL that pass was tipped by Hali and Poe got stoned on that other play. He is stopped right where Sendlein engages him. If you played football you would realize you shuffle back a little when pass protecting.

It was tipped by both of them. And I love how you can't understand what is really going on in the 2nd pic.

Forcing a double team to get your elite pass rusher in man-to-man blocking=win every time. That's a QB pressure 75% of the time and we saw how that play ended (in an INT)

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 11:37 AM
Hypocrisy at its finest.The fact that KC's scheme doesn't have to have the DE's pile up 10 sacks is the point I'm making, but yet you and everyone else think it is.

I haven't said that what I have said though is you don't take a one trick pony at #3 in the draft. I have disputed your claim that 3-4 DE's don't get sacks. 10 of them had 5 plus last year. Jackson will never live up to his price and production. He is one of the highest paid at his position but the only one trick pony up there. I realize KC plays a 2 gap system. This guy was drafted to be Seymour or Warren and he will never be.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2012, 11:38 AM
Hypocrisy at its finest.The fact that KC's scheme doesn't have to have the DE's pile up 10 sacks is the point I'm making, but yet you and everyone else think it is.

LOL KC schemes around sacks!

dictionary
08-17-2012, 11:38 AM
BJ Raji was taken top 10. Started 1 game. Aldon Smith high first round pick. Didn't start. Shall I continue?

Something something something definition of insanity something something.

DBroncos4life
08-17-2012, 11:40 AM
I haven't said that what I have said though is you don't take a one trick pony at #3 in the draft. I have disputed your claim that 3-4 DE's don't get sacks. 10 of them had 5 plus last year. Jackson will never live up to his price and production. He is one of the highest paid at his position but the only one trick pony up there. I realize KC plays a 2 gap system.

Look KC pays the DE's to stop the run and blow at rushing the passer, which is fine because they pay the OLB's to rush the passer and blow at stopping the run. Only foolish teams would pay players to be good at doing mutiple things!

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 11:55 AM
That's a QB pressure 75% of the time and we saw how that play ended (in an INT)

Why didn't you post the whole video of it? Right because it's cherry picked.

razorwire77
08-17-2012, 11:57 AM
If you look up "pushed back and stood straight up" in the dictionary" I pretty sure there is an image of that 2nd Poe picture.

dictionary
08-17-2012, 11:59 AM
If you look up "pushed back and stood straight up" in the dictionary" I pretty sure there is an image of that 2nd Poe picture.

Dictionary here. Found a picture of a very small penis--similar to a lightswitch.

Br0nc0Buster
08-17-2012, 12:17 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-1/QA-with-Scott-Pioli--Todd-Haley-on-1st-Pick/D3ECE7BA-90CF-4199-A2EF-9980D758521B


Q: Does he come out of the game on passing downs?

TODD HALEY: “No, we look at Tyson as a three-down player and we actually think that he probably gains an advantage on third down if he moves inside and is over a guard. He’s got some pass rush skills, there is no doubt about it and that’s one of the things that excited the coaches about him. When you can take advantage of some match-ups inside it may really help him and us.”


Uh oh, someone better call the KC front office quick and let them know 3-4 linemen arent supposed to have pass rushing skills

Or better yet let them know that Jackson sucks at generating pressure since it was apparently something that "excited the coaches about him"

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 12:19 PM
And there it is!!!! If you actually watched the game then you would have known Arizona kept their first team offense in the game for several drives into the middle of the 2nd quarter.

You didn't watch the game. Just admit it dude. It's not a big deal.

Owned again. Just getting around to the proof. You make this too easy village whipping boy.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081055/2012/PRE1/cardinals@chiefs#menu=highlights|contentId:0ap2000 000048843&tab=analyze Notice run is on the same side as 92 is lining up. Oh yeah the second string DL pushed his fat A$$ 5 yards down field resulting in 67 yd td.

Another beauty Poe blown back 2 yards and pancaked. You said earlier in the thread that I didn't watch the game because I said he was pancaked by #2 OL of the Cardinals. Proof again.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081055/2012/PRE1/cardinals@chiefs#tab=recap&menu=highlights

dictionary
08-17-2012, 12:55 PM
Owned again. Just getting around to the proof. You make this too easy village whipping boy.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081055/2012/PRE1/cardinals@chiefs#menu=highlights|contentId:0ap2000 000048843&tab=analyze Notice run is on the same side as 92 is lining up. Oh yeah the second string DL pushed his fat A$$ 5 yards down field resulting in 67 yd td.

Another beauty Poe blown back 2 yards and pancaked. You said earlier in the thread that I didn't watch the game because I said he was pancaked by #2 OL of the Cardinals. Proof again.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081055/2012/PRE1/cardinals@chiefs#tab=recap&menu=highlights

I disagree. I cannot in good faith, agree that those are highlights...

KCStud
08-17-2012, 05:02 PM
Why didn't you post the whole video of it? Right because it's cherry picked.

How is this cherry picked? Are you implying it didn't result in an INT?

KCStud
08-17-2012, 05:28 PM
Owned again. Just getting around to the proof. You make this too easy village whipping boy.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081055/2012/PRE1/cardinals@chiefs#menu=highlights|contentId:0ap2000 000048843&tab=analyze Notice run is on the same side as 92 is lining up. Oh yeah the second string DL pushed his fat A$$ 5 yards down field resulting in 67 yd td.

Another beauty Poe blown back 2 yards and pancaked. You said earlier in the thread that I didn't watch the game because I said he was pancaked by #2 OL of the Cardinals. Proof again.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012081055/2012/PRE1/cardinals@chiefs#tab=recap&menu=highlights

I've said this entire thread that Poe doesn't have the technique down at all against the run. He's playing in passing situations most of the time.

I also said he's made bad plays along with good. What don't you understand about that?

But continue to cherry pick only his bad plays, then say I'm cherry picking.Hilarious!

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 06:11 PM
How is this cherry picked? Are you implying it didn't result in an INT?Because skelton bailed the pocket instead of just stepping up from outside pressure to where Poe was. Poe was getting stoned. instead he runs wildly and tosses an offbalanced throw to a covered wr. That int was on him. Post whole video. Poe did nothing on that play. I only Hope Manning has that much time and that big of a pocket because KC will be picked apart like he did to Denver in every playoff game.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Because skelton bailed the pocket instead of just stepping up from outside pressure to where Poe was. Poe was getting stoned. instead he runs wildly and tosses an offbalanced throw to a covered wr. That int was on him. Post whole video. Poe did nothing on that play. I only Hope Manning has that much time and that big of a pocket because KC will be picked apart like he did to Denver in every playoff game.

Again you don't understand anything. Poe forced the double team which gave Tamba a one-on-one matchup with the OT. The INT was because Tamba got pressure on Skelton.

Poe forcing the double team set Tamba up to make the play.

Bacchus
08-17-2012, 06:48 PM
I've said this entire thread that Poe doesn't have the technique down at all against the run. He's playing in passing situations most of the time.

I also said he's made bad plays along with good. What don't you understand about that?

But continue to cherry pick only his bad plays, then say I'm cherry picking.Hilarious!

It's funny that you say he can't play the run yet he only had one sack his final year at Memphis. It doesn't look like he can play the pass either.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 06:54 PM
It's funny that you say he can't play the run yet he only had one sack his final year at Memphis. It doesn't look like he can play the pass either.

Kinda hard when you're the only good player on your team, you're tripled teamed every play, and you play against mostly spread offense's that get the ball away quickly after the snap.

Simply Red
08-17-2012, 07:34 PM
This thread is turning into another chiefs suck thread, i.e. KCPud getting owned all over the place. I seriously can't believe he keeps coming back. It actually makes me feel embarrassed for him.

You're delusional, AND a homer, fact is, KCStud is playing the posters like a Baldwin Grand.

DENVERDUI55
08-17-2012, 07:40 PM
Again you don't understand anything. Poe forced the double team which gave Tamba a one-on-one matchup with the OT. The INT was because Tamba got pressure on Skelton.

Poe forcing the double team set Tamba up to make the play.

Like I said u cherry picked a picture instead of the video. Any good QB or experienced would of stepped up and had no pressure. Poe was blocked by one backup OL and rest of the guys would of been out of the play. What do you no anyways you think all 3-4 are 2 gaps and changed subject in this thread 5 times. Poe is a workout warrior that does nothing great and was demoted to third string. Enjoy I sure do. Oh yeah post the whole video.

KCStud
08-17-2012, 08:59 PM
Like I said u cherry picked a picture instead of the video. Any good QB or experienced would of stepped up and had no pressure. Poe was blocked by one backup OL and rest of the guys would of been out of the play. What do you no anyways you think all 3-4 are 2 gaps and changed subject in this thread 5 times. Poe is a workout warrior that does nothing great and was demoted to third string. Enjoy I sure do. Oh yeah post the whole video.

He wasn't demoted haha. There's only been one depth chart smart guy.

Here's your vid. http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs/0ap2000000048637/Abram-Elam-37-yard-INT-return

Jetmeck
08-18-2012, 12:55 AM
from little has been seen from this guy he looks to fit right in with the rest of KC's mediocre high round draft picks...............how much you paying that unproductive bunch anyway ?

TomServo
08-18-2012, 05:12 AM
Knowshon was a consensus top 15 pick
and i was one of the dumbasses that bought into it. his talent can be bought in free agency. # 12? ive said on this board years back,, unless its earl freakin campbell, spending a 1st on a running back is pure stupidity.
what? Josh McD was the coach? Yah Pure stupidity

CEH
08-18-2012, 08:13 AM
and i was one of the dumbasses that bought into it. his talent can be bought in free agency. # 12? ive said on this board years back,, unless its earl freakin campbell, spending a 1st on a running back is pure stupidity.
what? Josh McD was the coach? Yah Pure stupidity

A 4th on Lawernece Maroney may have been a bigger blunder for McDouche

DENVERDUI55
08-18-2012, 09:31 AM
He wasn't demoted haha. There's only been one depth chart smart guy.

Here's your vid. http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs/0ap2000000048637/Abram-Elam-37-yard-INT-return

Perfect Poe getting his ass handed to him. You can't be dumb enough to think that a good qb wouldn't step up a yard or two and not be pressured. There was zero inside push.

400HZ
08-18-2012, 10:30 AM
Again you don't understand anything. Poe forced the double team which gave Tamba a one-on-one matchup with the OT. The INT was because Tamba got pressure on Skelton.

Poe forcing the double team set Tamba up to make the play.

How exactly did Poe "force" a double team there? Any 350 lb fatass could have done what he did there, which was come off the snap and get stoned.

400HZ
08-18-2012, 10:34 AM
You usually don't need to spend a top 15 pick for that kind of action.

Tombstone RJ
08-18-2012, 11:17 AM
He wasn't demoted haha. There's only been one depth chart smart guy.

Here's your vid. http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs/0ap2000000048637/Abram-Elam-37-yard-INT-return

is Poe #92 in this vid?

DENVERDUI55
08-18-2012, 11:20 AM
is Poe #92 in this vid?

Yep the guy getting his arse kicked failing around top heavy. KCPUD says this was a good play by him.

Ironlung
08-18-2012, 01:09 PM
You're delusional, AND a homer, fact is, KCStud is playing the posters like a Baldwin Grand.

I disagree. He really is as dumb as he appears, hes not playing anyone... Check out the Chiefs Suck Thread if you want proof.

Looks like YOU are the delusional one... Thanks though.

KCStud
08-22-2012, 09:24 PM
Man this guy sucks ass. He has no potential at all!

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1163220/poe.gif

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1163223/poetip.gif

KCStud
08-22-2012, 09:27 PM
You might wanna read this DUI55...

Kansas City’s Scheme
The Chiefs have been running a 3-4 scheme for the entirety of Jackson’s NFL career, and three of Dorsey’s four seasons, first under defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast, and then under Romeo Crennel as both DC and now head coach. While much of the league has been trending toward penetrating, aggressive defensive fronts, with more 3-4 defenses playing one-gap fronts, the Chiefs have maintained an old-school two-gap defense. This won’t surprise anybody who watched the way the Patriots played defense under Crennel, but it does swim against the stream in terms of how the rest of the league has been playing. The Patriots used to have big, stout two-gapping defensive linemen and then relied on the linebackers behind them to make plays, and the Chiefs today have been doing a pretty good job of emulating that defense.
New England had Ty Warren, who was for years one of the best run-stuffing 3-4 DEs as the lynchpin of that defense. It allowed their linebackers to make a name for themselves because they rarely had to deal with bodies coming at them. The Chiefs have been trying to get that kind of play from Dorsey and Jackson, and recently it has been working. As such, you have seen Pro-Bowl caliber seasons from Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, as well as impressive and promising performances from Justin Houston. Though often lost in coverage, even Jovan Belcher has been able to string together consistently strong play against the run because of the play in front of him.
It may not be the kind of play most people want to see from their high draft picks, but the Chiefs evidently value the ability to play a disciplined two-gap defense, and in that regard they seem to have done well in identifying players who can excel in one.

While it is often true that play against the run comes with no easy statistic to point to as proof of quality play, especially for players expected to maintain two gaps, there are stats Pro Football Focus keeps that the mainstream does not have access to. The problem with just looking at tackles, is that you have no way of knowing if that tackle came in the backfield for a loss, or 10 yards downfield after you were blown off the ball. In addition to tackles, we record defensive stops–tackles for an offensive failure on the play–and looking at those stops collected on run plays, Jackson and Dorsey each accounted for more than any other 3-4 end … including All-World stud, Justin Smith. Jackson tallied 38 while Dorsey earned 32 himself as they led the NFL at their position, and Jackson also led the league in Run Stop frequency.

DBroncos4life
08-22-2012, 09:31 PM
Man this guy sucks ass. He has no potential at all!


After 3577 post you finally say something worth a ****.

KCStud
08-22-2012, 09:32 PM
[QUOTE=KCStud;3645707]Man this guy sucks ass. He has no potential at all!
QUOTE]

After 3577 post you finally say something worth a ****.

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dictionary
08-22-2012, 10:04 PM
[QUOTE=DBroncos4life;3645712]

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I like how Kc(F)uckcnugget MSpainted a hand where a cock is normally invading his dick garage.

DENVERDUI55
08-23-2012, 07:27 AM
You might wanna read this DUI55...

Kansas City’s Scheme
The Chiefs have been running a 3-4 scheme for the entirety of Jackson’s NFL career, and three of Dorsey’s four seasons, first under defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast, and then under Romeo Crennel as both DC and now head coach. While much of the league has been trending toward penetrating, aggressive defensive fronts, with more 3-4 defenses playing one-gap fronts, the Chiefs have maintained an old-school two-gap defense. This won’t surprise anybody who watched the way the Patriots played defense under Crennel, but it does swim against the stream in terms of how the rest of the league has been playing. The Patriots used to have big, stout two-gapping defensive linemen and then relied on the linebackers behind them to make plays, and the Chiefs today have been doing a pretty good job of emulating that defense.
New England had Ty Warren, who was for years one of the best run-stuffing 3-4 DEs as the lynchpin of that defense. It allowed their linebackers to make a name for themselves because they rarely had to deal with bodies coming at them. The Chiefs have been trying to get that kind of play from Dorsey and Jackson, and recently it has been working. As such, you have seen Pro-Bowl caliber seasons from Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, as well as impressive and promising performances from Justin Houston. Though often lost in coverage, even Jovan Belcher has been able to string together consistently strong play against the run because of the play in front of him.
It may not be the kind of play most people want to see from their high draft picks, but the Chiefs evidently value the ability to play a disciplined two-gap defense, and in that regard they seem to have done well in identifying players who can excel in one.

While it is often true that play against the run comes with no easy statistic to point to as proof of quality play, especially for players expected to maintain two gaps, there are stats Pro Football Focus keeps that the mainstream does not have access to. The problem with just looking at tackles, is that you have no way of knowing if that tackle came in the backfield for a loss, or 10 yards downfield after you were blown off the ball. In addition to tackles, we record defensive stops–tackles for an offensive failure on the play–and looking at those stops collected on run plays, Jackson and Dorsey each accounted for more than any other 3-4 end … including All-World stud, Justin Smith. Jackson tallied 38 while Dorsey earned 32 himself as they led the NFL at their position, and Jackson also led the league in Run Stop frequency.

What is said here that I didn't say? Did I say KC runs a one gap 3-4? Your the one that said what rookie NT's make an impact. I shot that down. Wait turns out Poe isn't even playing the nose like you claimed and has been getting his arse kicked in the run game. Before this thread you thought all 3-4 schemes were the same until you repeatedly were made to look like the clueless idiot you are.

KCStud
08-23-2012, 11:00 AM
What is said here that I didn't say? Did I say KC runs a one gap 3-4? Your the one that said what rookie NT's make an impact. I shot that down. Wait turns out Poe isn't even playing the nose like you claimed and has been getting his arse kicked in the run game. Before this thread you thought all 3-4 schemes were the same until you repeatedly were made to look like the clueless idiot you are.

You really have trouble reading. I've said multiple times in this thread that Poe is playing mostly DE on passing downs this year because he is in his first year learning the technique. He's got a long ways to go.

chevy369
08-23-2012, 12:51 PM
In the proud tradition of Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson.




Hilarious!

Hilarious!

broncocalijohn
08-23-2012, 01:11 PM
You usually don't need to spend a top 15 pick for that kind of action.

ESPN OCHO!

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DODGEBALL!

55CrushEm
08-23-2012, 01:25 PM
[QUOTE=KCStud;3645713]

I like how Kc(F)uckcnugget MSpainted a hand where a cock is normally invading his dick garage.

"Dick garage". LOL That is one I haven't heard that before.

UberBroncoMan
08-23-2012, 01:31 PM
Man this guy sucks ass. He has no potential at all!

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What caliber of players was he doing that against? Future cuts or 1st string starters?

KCStud
08-23-2012, 04:19 PM
What caliber of players was he doing that against? Future cuts or 1st string starters?

Starters

Tombstone RJ
08-23-2012, 04:28 PM
chefs suck