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Pony Boy
08-06-2012, 01:30 PM
"If I was the Jets you want to know what I would do? I would cut Tim Tebow. I really would" Boomer Esiason said.


The non-battle battle between Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez for snaps as Jets quarterback remains, annoyingly, at the epicenter of NFL training camp. And it's not going to go away, either.

Unless, of course, the Jets take the advice of CBS' Boomer Esiason, speaking on WFAN's "Boomer and Carton Show" Monday morning, and "cut Tim Tebow."

"If I was the Jets you want to know what I would do? I would cut Tim Tebow. I really would" Esiason said. "I'm telling you right now I would, and I'll tell you why I would: it's just not in any way, shape or form benefiting this team. I just don't see how it benefits this team.

"I just think this whole thing -- at least from my perspective right now in relation to who Mark Sanchez is, your starting quarterback -- is a major mistake."

It's a bold statement from Boomer, but not one likely to ever morph into a realistic situation. Whether or not Tebow can throw (and Boomer points out he can't) is irrelevant to what Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano want to do on offense. They plan to utilize him in the Wildcat offense and ostensibly make him a dangerous red-zone threat. Plus, if Sanchez struggles, Tebow presents a somewhat viable alternative.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/19738649/boomer-esiason-says-jets-should-cut-tim-tebow

Mogulseeker
08-06-2012, 01:31 PM
Boomer's right actually. I see this whole thing going over really, really bad for Rex Ryan.

DenverBrit
08-06-2012, 01:35 PM
TT needs to switch from QB to FB, TE, special teams......anything that doesn't require QB skills.

kdissette
08-06-2012, 01:35 PM
teblow is a coach killer and why he didnt got to JAX where he belongs i dont know

baja
08-06-2012, 01:36 PM
Elway knew all along that the Jets could not survive Tim Tebow. In a genius move on Elway's part he traded TT to the Jets knowing they would have to cut him and we grab him off wavers and steal a draft pick from the Jets.

Garcia Bronco
08-06-2012, 01:38 PM
That's all media nonsense IMO.

bronco militia
08-06-2012, 01:39 PM
LOL

of course the Jets were forced to trade for Tim Tebow.

Pony Boy
08-06-2012, 01:40 PM
Where's the Tebow love ........ I looking forward to the next chapter in the Tebow book and I don't think it will be him getting cut from the team. Boomer is a obnoxious douchebag.

SoCalBronco
08-06-2012, 01:41 PM
Esiason is a moron. At the very least Tebow provides substantial red zone and goal line benefits to their team. The data bears it out. If he doesn't see anything that Tim adds he should feel free to make SN appointment at lenscrafters

rbackfactory80
08-06-2012, 01:43 PM
LOL

In before "circus and rabid fan" are thrown around.

The only rabid fans are the ones who won't stop talking about old news.

Requiem
08-06-2012, 01:43 PM
Sounds like Boomer has been boomin' lately. Nameeeeen!?

Bacchus
08-06-2012, 01:44 PM
Boomer's right actually. I see this whole thing going over really, really bad for Rex Ryan.

You know I think this could work in New York. I see them having a pretty good year and Tebow being a vaulable part of what happens there.

B U T it all depends on Sanchez. If he can handle the pressure and plays like he is capable of this team could finish 10-6/11-5. But if he has a poor season and the Tebow fanatics have reason to boo then this team could explode. It will be fun to watch either way.

razorwire77
08-06-2012, 02:04 PM
He shouldn't be cut. His size, work ethic and athleticism would allow him excel as an H-back, wildcat QB, or even a power RB in certain packages. He could be quite effective as a 10-12 play specialty guy/decoy. The question is whether or not he and the circus will eventually accept that role.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-06-2012, 02:07 PM
Esiason is a moron. At the very least Tebow provides substantial red zone and goal line benefits to their team. The data bears it out. If he doesn't see anything that Tim adds he should feel free to make SN appointment at lenscrafters

Jets had the best Red Zone conversion % last year.

DBroncos4life
08-06-2012, 02:09 PM
Esiason is a moron. At the very least Tebow provides substantial red zone and goal line benefits to their team. The data bears it out. If he doesn't see anything that Tim adds he should feel free to make SN appointment at lenscrafters

Sanchez had as many red zone rushing TDs as Tebow.

Bacchus
08-06-2012, 02:10 PM
He shouldn't be cut. His size, work ethic and athleticism would allow him excel as an H-back, wildcat QB, or even a power RB in certain packages. He could be quite effective as a 10-12 play specialty guy/decoy. The question is whether or not he and the circus will eventually accept that role.

It is not Tebow that is the problem it is the Tebow circus that is the problem. We all saw how Orton melted under the pressure of chants and billboards.

cmhargrove
08-06-2012, 02:11 PM
I second or third the notion of Boomer as moron. He hated on Tebow all last year, even when he took us to the playoffs and beyond.

From a football perspective, Sparano has always been a fan of the Wildcat formation and doesn't mind looking at non-standard strategies for winning games. Sparano probably also watched the film of what we (the Tebow-Broncos) did to the Pats in the first half of our regular season game. Wasn't that the worst performance of any Belichik rushing defense ever (at least for one half)? Weapons like that could help the Jets win the AFC East if they can keep the media out of their locker room.

ppablo
08-06-2012, 02:14 PM
So glad we don't have to deal with this... I'm glad for what tebow gave us last year... however it's nice to know who our qb is from day one this year!

DBroncos4life
08-06-2012, 02:16 PM
I second or third the notion of Boomer as moron. He hated on Tebow all last year, even when he took us to the playoffs and beyond.

From a football perspective, Sparano has always been a fan of the Wildcat formation and doesn't mind looking at non-standard strategies for winning games. Sparano probably also watched the film of what we (the Tebow-Broncos) did to the Pats in the first half of our regular season game. Wasn't that the worst performance of any Belichik rushing defense ever (at least for one half)? Weapons like that could help the Jets win the AFC East if they can keep the media out of their locker room.

The wild cat is worthless.

Br0nc0Buster
08-06-2012, 02:26 PM
Release The TEBOW!!!

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 02:28 PM
Elway knew all along that the Jets could not survive Tim Tebow. In a genius move on Elway's part he traded TT to the Jets knowing they would have to cut him and we grab him off wavers and steal a draft pick from the Jets.

Do you really truly think for an instant that Elway & Fox would grab Tebow off waivers, Baja? I think they've had enough of his publicity; were relieved to ship out said publicity headaches to another team... and would be the last ones to express interest.

From a PR standpoint, the Jest cannot cut Tebow... they perhaps could if they had a "clearly-superior" option available on the roster, but Sanchez is not that guy. They've made their bed and have to lie in it at least for the 2012 season, I think.

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 02:32 PM
It is not Tebow that is the problem it is the Tebow circus that is the problem. We all saw how Orton melted under the pressure of chants and billboards.

Orton lacking balls is because of the Tebow circus?

Garcia Bronco
08-06-2012, 02:34 PM
Exactly...there is no "Tebow Circus" that **** all exists un someone's head.

Pick Six
08-06-2012, 02:39 PM
He shouldn't be cut. His size, work ethic and athleticism would allow him excel as an H-back, wildcat QB, or even a power RB in certain packages. He could be quite effective as a 10-12 play specialty guy/decoy. The question is whether or not he and the circus will eventually accept that role.

I wonder if Fox or Elway actually approached him, with that idea. If he insisted on being a QB, there was nothing we could have done to keep him...

baja
08-06-2012, 03:12 PM
Do you really truly think for an instant that Elway & Fox would grab Tebow off waivers, Baja? I think they've had enough of his publicity; were relieved to ship out said publicity headaches to another team... and would be the last ones to express interest.

From a PR standpoint, the Jest cannot cut Tebow... they perhaps could if they had a "clearly-superior" option available on the roster, but Sanchez is not that guy. They've made their bed and have to lie in it at least for the 2012 season, I think.

Do you really truly think for an instant that I was even close to being serious?

Play2win
08-06-2012, 03:18 PM
Do you really truly think for an instant that I was even close to being serious?

By not being serious, you were totally being serious.

lonestar
08-06-2012, 03:19 PM
Esiason is a moron. At the very least Tebow provides substantial red zone and goal line benefits to their team. The data bears it out. If he doesn't see anything that Tim adds he should feel free to make SN appointment at lenscrafters

I guess everyone forgets that teams have specialist on their team to do most everything.. from snapping the ball to kicking it.. if there was not a need those coaches would have gotten rid of them long ago..

When will the haters remember that TT was coming into the NFL a 3-4 project to become a QB..

Had he been drafted by us in the 3rd round 95% of the hate would not have happened, except for those that take exception to his belief system..

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 03:22 PM
Do you really truly think for an instant that I was even close to being serious?

LOL Of course not... had to check to be sure though. :P

cmhargrove
08-06-2012, 03:23 PM
The wild cat is worthless.

Semantics, let's say they are using him for the "Read Option" or "Zone Read" offense. The media will still call it a "Wildcat" package, although we can identify that it isn't what K-State originally created (or Arkansas later employed).

Also - you are dead wrong. The "Wildcat" is worthless when run by a true running back that isn't a vertical passing threat. The wildcat offense run by a true deep passing threat could be a devastating package if run properly. Tebow might be the best professional athlete possible to run such a package. It generally forces more defenders into the box (as we saw last year), and opens receivers to single man coverage on deep patterns. If it is run with an unbalanced line, it also forces defense to choose to play balanced (minus numbers on strong side of formation), or unbalanced (which can lead to incredible opportunities for counter plays).

You may laugh, but Tebow's passing ability (especially on vertical routes), is the true game changer here.

houghtam
08-06-2012, 03:25 PM
Orton lacking balls is because of the Tebow circus?

Orton's patented "duck-n-fetal" move...all a result of the vaunted

TEBOW MEDIA CIRCUS

LOL

McDman
08-06-2012, 03:33 PM
Elway knew all along that the Jets could not survive Tim Tebow. In a genius move on Elway's part he traded TT to the Jets knowing they would have to cut him and we grab him off wavers and steal a draft pick from the Jets.

That would be hilarious.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 03:39 PM
I guess everyone forgets that teams have specialist on their team to do most everything.. from snapping the ball to kicking it.. if there was not a need those coaches would have gotten rid of them long ago..

When will the haters remember that TT was coming into the NFL a 3-4 project to become a QB..

Had he been drafted by us in the 3rd round 95% of the hate would not have happened, except for those that take exception to his belief system..

That depends, Lonestar.... had he been drafted in the 3rd round, would Gator fans still have stridently insisted that he should be given the starting job just because he's Tim Tebow (that he shouldn't have to earn the job in camp)? And would they still have launched intense personal attacks on those who noticed that maybe he needed some work on his QB mechanics first?

IMHO, if he had been able to do the things that are expected of quarterbacks at the NFL level (consistently put the football where it needs to be), that would have been a bigger factor than where he was drafted... or anything else...in toning down or totally avoiding the controversy.

Either way, he would have been either buried on the depth chart or traded once we signed Manning, so in hindsight the point is kinda moot.

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 03:49 PM
That depends, Lonestar.... had he been drafted in the 3rd round, would Gator fans still have stridently insisted that he should be given the starting job just because he's Tim Tebow (that he shouldn't have to earn the job in camp)? And would they still have launched intense personal attacks on those who noticed that maybe he needed some work on his QB mechanics first?

I wonder if Andrew Luck and RGIII know they should've been watching someone else get the first team snaps at the beginning of camp this year just so they didn't feel so entitled. LOL

Gotta earn it! LOL

JakeZ01
08-06-2012, 03:55 PM
just. keep. doubting. him. It is fun to watch the backtracking and crying. I wish I was around here last year. I bet it was awesome.

McDman
08-06-2012, 03:59 PM
just. keep. doubting. him. It is fun to watch the backtracking and crying. I wish I was around here last year. I bet it was awesome.

Trust me, no you don't.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 04:08 PM
I wonder if Andrew Luck and RGIII know they should've been watching someone else get the first team snaps at the beginning of camp this year just so they didn't feel so entitled. LOL

Gotta earn it! LOL

Yeah, cause expectations for a genuine blue-chip QB drafted in the top-5 overall are exactly the same as expectations for one who was "reached-for" (as an acknowledged multi-year project/gamble) at #25.

Btw... Jay Cutler (taken #11 overall... 14 spots higher than Tebow) did not come into his first training camp with the attitude that the starting job should have been his without having to be earned, did he? Yet he's perceived as having a "serious attitude problem".

Drunken.Broncoholic
08-06-2012, 04:11 PM
Well if he was brought in for locker room chemistry he's not doin his job. Jets players in a huge brawl at practice. Almost spilled into the fans. Great team.

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 04:16 PM
Yeah, cause expectations for a genuine blue-chip QB drafted in the top-5 overall are exactly the same as expectations for one who was "reached-for" (as an acknowledged multi-year project/gamble) at #25.

Maybe. But then that wouldn't jive with what you just said (blah blah Gator fans, blah blah, 3rd round, etc etc)

DBroncos4life
08-06-2012, 04:26 PM
Semantics, let's say they are using him for the "Read Option" or "Zone Read" offense. The media will still call it a "Wildcat" package, although we can identify that it isn't what K-State originally created (or Arkansas later employed).

Also - you are dead wrong. The "Wildcat" is worthless when run by a true running back that isn't a vertical passing threat. The wildcat offense run by a true deep passing threat could be a devastating package if run properly. Tebow might be the best professional athlete possible to run such a package. It generally forces more defenders into the box (as we saw last year), and opens receivers to single man coverage on deep patterns. If it is run with an unbalanced line, it also forces defense to choose to play balanced (minus numbers on strong side of formation), or unbalanced (which can lead to incredible opportunities for counter plays).

You may laugh, but Tebow's passing ability (especially on vertical routes), is the true game changer here.

Yeah my bad I forgot all those teams that run the "wild cat" that go deep into the playoffs. Hilarious!

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 04:26 PM
Maybe. But then that wouldn't jive with what you just said (blah blah Gator fans, blah blah, 3rd round, etc etc)

Gator fans did insist that Tebow should have been handed the starting job... despite not having outperformed a highly-mediocre Kyle Orton in training camp. Perhaps you believe they wouldn't have done that if he'd been drafted in the 3rd round... but I believe they still would have, as passionately as some of them argued that he "was too" ready. I don't believe for an instant that it would have mattered (25th or 89th overall).

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 04:27 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/19741281/browns-weeden-is-starting-qb

The alleged offseason competition never happened. Weeden received all the first-team reps at mini-camp and training camp after being snagged with the 22nd overall pick in the April draft. He will start Friday night when the Browns open their preseason in Detroit.

It's just not FAIR! LOL

baja
08-06-2012, 04:29 PM
Gator fans did insist that Tebow should have been handed the starting job... despite not having outperformed a highly-mediocre Kyle Orton in training camp. Perhaps you believe they wouldn't have done that if he'd been drafted in the 3rd round..



How does one become highly mediocre?

Drunken.Broncoholic
08-06-2012, 04:37 PM
How does one become highly mediocre?

Driving down the field then farting in the red zone.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 05:07 PM
It happens when one's ability/skill set is insufficient to plant the butts of QBs like post-injury Brian Griese and Rex Grossman permanently on the bench. Anytime one's incapable of outperforming those guys, they're "highly mediocre". :P

broncogary
08-06-2012, 05:11 PM
How does one become highly mediocre?

Reach for the stars, baja. Hilarious!

Tombstone RJ
08-06-2012, 05:28 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/19741281/browns-weeden-is-starting-qb



It's just not FAIR! LOL

JMHO, but Weeden is perhaps the most pro ready QB in this draft (outside of Luck). It's no suprise he's better than McCoy.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 05:30 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/19741281/browns-weeden-is-starting-qb



It's just not FAIR! LOL

Good for Weeden. Sounds to me like his coaches' first impression of his skill set wasn't "Holy crap! This guy needs a lot of work".

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 05:40 PM
Good for Weeden. Sounds to me like his coaches' first impression of his skill set wasn't "Holy crap! This guy needs a lot of work".

uhuh.

Yeah, cause expectations for a genuine blue-chip QB drafted in the top-5 overall are exactly the same as expectations for one who was "reached-for" (as an acknowledged multi-year project/gamble) at #25.

maher_tyler
08-06-2012, 05:42 PM
Driving down the field then farting in the red zone.

Most times it was more than just a fart

houghtam
08-06-2012, 05:42 PM
uhuh.

Don't bother. Blueflame is the master (mistress?) of misdirection, misrepresentation and counter-intuitive argument, among many, many other things.

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 05:43 PM
JMHO, but Weeden is perhaps the most pro ready QB in this draft (outside of Luck). It's no suprise he's better than McCoy.

I'm not surprised he's better than McCoy. Don't question the decision at all. Not sure how pro-ready he is... shotgun spread, little work under center. He'll have footwork issues if they don't play to his strengths in the interim.

Still probably the right decision. My only point here is to show, once again, that franchises don't have open camp QB competitions. Someone's given the inside track from the word go. It's not practical any other way.

houghtam
08-06-2012, 05:45 PM
I'm not surprised he's better than McCoy. Don't question the decision at all. Not sure how pro-ready he is... shotgun spread, little work under center. He'll have footwork issues if they don't play to his strengths in the interim.

Still probably the right decision. My only point here is to show, once again, that franchises don't have open camp QB competitions. Someone's given the inside track from the word go. It's not practical any other way.

But the real question, Beavis, is...

CAN HE FRO SPYRO???

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 06:09 PM
uhuh.

So you don't see any difference whatsoever in one HC deeming a late-first-round QB to be ready to start (some of them can be ready; time will tell if the HC made a wise decision or an unwise one)... and another HC deciding that his late-first-round QB isn't ready to start only to have a vocal demographic of insistent fans refuse to accept the HC's decision? And openly challenge the HC and GM?

Ultimately it doesn't matter. A square peg is going to remain a square peg no matter how many deluded fans insist that it can too fit neatly into a round hole.

Jetmeck
08-06-2012, 06:11 PM
Esiason is a moron. At the very least Tebow provides substantial red zone and goal line benefits to their team. The data bears it out. If he doesn't see anything that Tim adds he should feel free to make SN appointment at lenscrafters

Haters are just freaking idiots............we needed a goal line bulldozer and gave him away.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 06:13 PM
Haters are just freaking idiots............we needed a goal line bulldozer and gave him away.

Isn't that what RBs are for? To be "goal line bulldozers"? Seems to me I recall a RB who was pretty much unstoppable in the red zone (TD).

errand
08-06-2012, 06:29 PM
I guess everyone forgets that teams have specialist on their team to do most everything.. from snapping the ball to kicking it.. if there was not a need those coaches would have gotten rid of them long ago..

When will the haters remember that TT was coming into the NFL a 3-4 project to become a QB..

Had he been drafted by us in the 3rd round 95% of the hate would not have happened, except for those that take exception to his belief system..

Other than TGN, who has blasted the kid due to his Christian beliefs?

I've heard people bitch about his inability to read defenses, and throw an accurate pass consistently...but have rarely heard anyone say they disliked him because he was a Christian.

If I'm wrong, then please link or post the quotes where posters are bitching about his beliefs

lonestar
08-06-2012, 06:34 PM
Yeah, cause expectations for a genuine blue-chip QB drafted in the top-5 overall are exactly the same as expectations for one who was "reached-for" (as an acknowledged multi-year project/gamble) at #25.

Btw... Jay Cutler (taken #11 overall... 14 spots higher than Tebow) did not come into his first training camp with the attitude that the starting job should have been his without having to be earned, did he? Yet he's perceived as having a "serious attitude problem".

not living in DEN gives me a chance to ask when did he stated this, which of the local shows, that I did not get to see?

I seem to recall one of the first things out of cutlets face, was his arm was stronger than Elways was..

IIRC any player in the NFL has to believe he is good enough to be the starter or he will never become one..

Now had he implied he should have been the starter with Elway at the helm instead of Orton, then I could understand your stance on this..

lonestar
08-06-2012, 06:37 PM
Yeah my bad I forgot all those teams that run the "wild cat" that go deep into the playoffs. Hilarious!

Many years ago those same thoughts were used about the "greatest show on turf", then when Da Bears won with Defense and a lousy O as well as when BAL did it..

To sum it up, there is a first time for anything..

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 06:39 PM
I'm not surprised he's better than McCoy. Don't question the decision at all. Not sure how pro-ready he is... shotgun spread, little work under center. He'll have footwork issues if they don't play to his strengths in the interim.

Still probably the right decision. My only point here is to show, once again, that franchises don't have open camp QB competitions. Someone's given the inside track from the word go. It's not practical any other way.

Back in '99 the common assumption was that Bubby Brister was certain to be the Broncos' starting QB.... and had he not looked positively abysmal in preseason while Brian Griese looked... better-than-Brister... he most likely would have been our starter. And my point is that no player... especially a QB... can afford to "mail it in" in training camp/preseason if they expect to start (or even earn a roster slot after cutdowns). Camp/preseason performances DO matter.

lonestar
08-06-2012, 06:42 PM
So you don't see any difference whatsoever in one HC deeming a late-first-round QB to be ready to start (some of them can be ready; time will tell if the HC made a wise decision or an unwise one)... and another HC deciding that his late-first-round QB isn't ready to start only to have a vocal demographic of insistent fans refuse to accept the HC's decision? And openly challenge the HC and GM?

Ultimately it doesn't matter. A square peg is going to remain a square peg no matter how many deluded fans insist that it can too fit neatly into a round hole.

Just asking had Tanahan been his coach how many of his haters followed along like lemmings.. Instead of a coach who half the "faithful" hated because he followed Tanahan[/COLOR[COLOR="Red"]]

lonestar
08-06-2012, 06:44 PM
Other than TGN, who has blasted the kid due to his Christian beliefs?

I've heard people b**** about his inability to read defenses, and throw an accurate pass consistently...but have rarely heard anyone say they disliked him because he was a Christian.

If I'm wrong, then please link or post the quotes where posters are b****ing about his beliefs

RIF this was the quote I made so I will repeat the meat of it..When will the haters remember that TT was coming into the NFL a 3-4 project to become a QB..

lonestar
08-06-2012, 06:50 PM
Back in '99 the common assumption was that Bubby Brister was certain to be the Broncos' starting QB.... and had he not looked positively abysmal in preseason while Brian Griese looked... better-than-Brister... he most likely would have been our starter. And my point is that no player... especially a QB... can afford to "mail it in" in training camp/preseason if they expect to start (or even earn a roster slot after cutdowns). Camp/preseason performances DO matter.

Yet there was a roster rebellion when Tanahan named griese the starter..becasue teh players trusted Bubby and did not trust griese..

Now I did not see all the preseason game last year but seemed to remember that Tebow had some good games..

I could be wrong about that..

IIRC Orton was all that much better than Tebow was..

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 06:56 PM
not living in DEN gives me a chance to ask when did he stated this, which of the local shows, that I did not get to see?

I seem to recall one of the first things out of cutlets face, was his arm was stronger than Elways was..

IIRC any player in the NFL has to believe he is good enough to be the starter or he will never become one..

Now had he implied he should have been the starter with Elway at the helm instead of Orton, then I could understand your stance on this..

When Cutler was drafted, he came to a team that already had an established starter (who had just led the offense to the AFCCG) in Jake Plummer. Yeah, the drafting of Cutler probably was a signal that Plummer's days were numbered as starter in Denver (and indicated that issues existed between Shanahan and Plummer)... but it was never just "presumed" that Cutler would immediately take over. And he might have had a couple of seasons as backup had Plummer not... copped an attitude and half-assed things that season.

My stance is that if Tebow thought he should have the starting job his first year in the league, then he could not afford to do less than the very best performance he was capable of... in practice. His fans' claims that "he just isn't good in practice and Orton sucks but is a practice-field-superstar" just don't hold water. A player who struggles in practice isn't going to be promoted to a starting role by coaches very often. The same concept goes for playcalling... if a play doesn't work/looks bad in practice, then coaches aren't likely to call that play in a game situation, when the outcome matters.

houghtam
08-06-2012, 06:59 PM
Back in '99 the common assumption was that Bubby Brister was certain to be the Broncos' starting QB.... and had he not looked positively abysmal in preseason while Brian Griese looked... better-than-Brister... he most likely would have been our starter. And my point is that no player... especially a QB... can afford to "mail it in" in training camp/preseason if they expect to start (or even earn a roster slot after cutdowns). Camp/preseason performances DO matter.

I think you're remembering it wrong. I seem to remember being absolutely SHOCKED when Griese, not Brister, was named starter.

For the record:

Game 1, Brister went 2-7 with an INT.

Game 2, Brister went 8-10 for 93 yards.

Game 3, Brister went 7-10 with an INT.

Game 4, Brister went 14-23 with an INT and 127 yards.

Now, that's obviously not great, but for a guy who was undefeated as the Broncos starter, you would think they would have given him the benefit of the doubt.

No, what I remember was that Shanahan had a hard-on for Griese from the word go, took the job from someone who earned it AND performed well while playing it, and gave it to someone who didn't yet deserve it. I don't think many would have had an issue if we had gone into that season with Brister as the starter, he'd stunk it up, and we'd gone with the young guy instead.

Bacchus
08-06-2012, 07:01 PM
not living in DEN gives me a chance to ask when did he stated this, which of the local shows, that I did not get to see?

I seem to recall one of the first things out of cutlets face, was his arm was stronger than Elways was..

IIRC any player in the NFL has to believe he is good enough to be the starter or he will never become one..

Now had he implied he should have been the starter with Elway at the helm instead of Orton, then I could understand your stance on this..

The media asked Cutler who had the stronger arm. Would you have liked Jay to lie and just say Elway's was stronger, which it isn't, or wasn't.

Cutler is not very good with the media. Would it have been nicer if he would have danced around the question playing nice? I guess it would have been. Instead he told it like he saw it. Big deal. Confidence is a necessity in a QB.

Orange_Beard
08-06-2012, 07:04 PM
Rex is flying that jet into the ground.
That team peeked 2 years ago.

Archer81
08-06-2012, 07:07 PM
I wish Tebow well in NY. I thank him for what he did for the Broncos last year. But honestly who cares what Boomer says about another team's QB?

:Broncos:

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 07:09 PM
I think you're remembering it wrong. I seem to remember being absolutely SHOCKED when Griese, not Brister, was named starter.

For the record:

Game 1, Brister went 2-7 with an INT.

Game 2, Brister went 8-10 for 93 yards.

Game 3, Brister went 7-10 with an INT.

Game 4, Brister went 14-23 with an INT and 127 yards.

Now, that's obviously not great, but for a guy who was undefeated as the Broncos starter, you would think they would have given him the benefit of the doubt.

No, what I remember was that Shanahan had a hard-on for Griese from the word go, took the job from someone who earned it AND performed well while playing it, and gave it to someone who didn't yet deserve it. I don't think many would have had an issue if we had gone into that season with Brister as the starter, he'd stunk it up, and we'd gone with the young guy instead.

Another point is that the move was away from a mediocre but established geezer to a young, hopefully long-term QB.

It wasn't just about 1999. Shanny was also thinking about the long term. Bubby probably would've been better for the 1999 Broncos. Shanahan had 2000 and beyond to worry about.

Every team in the NFL makes this 'cut the cord' decision from time to time.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 07:10 PM
Just asking had Tanahan been his coach how many of his haters followed along like lemmings.. Instead of a coach who half the "faithful" hated because he followed Tanahan[/COLOR[COLOR="Red"]]

I don't think Shanahan would have drafted Tebow, Lonestar. I believe he would have ascertained during workouts that Tebow was gonna need a ton of work on his mechanics.

Yet there was a roster rebellion when Tanahan named griese the starter..becasue teh players trusted Bubby and did not trust griese..

Now I did not see all the preseason game last year but seemed to remember that Tebow had some good games..

I could be wrong about that..

IIRC Orton was all that much better than Tebow was..

Yes, the decision to demote Brister was a controversial one.... however, it did highlight the concept that no player's job was guaranteed. And Bubby should have realized that in camp, the depth charts can and sometimes do change.

Starting jobs aren't earned through performances that are "not that much worse" than another player's (especially another player who was the starter the prior season) though. A young player who wants to start needs to immediately catch the coaches' attention... in a good way; not a negative one. What I gathered from early training camp reports last year was that Fox & Elway almost instantly determined that Tebow's skill set was not what they envisioned (long- or short-term) for the offense they wanted to install. Manning's skill set is what they want and they went out and got him. And we will have a better team this year for it... IMHO.

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 07:11 PM
I wish Tebow well in NY. I thank him for what he did for the Broncos last year. But honestly who cares what Boomer says about another team's QB?

:Broncos:

Boom's just worried that his claim to fame as "Best Jets QB Since Kenny O'Brien" is being threatened. :)

BroncoMan4ever
08-06-2012, 07:17 PM
Elway knew all along that the Jets could not survive Tim Tebow. In a genius move on Elway's part he traded TT to the Jets knowing they would have to cut him and we grab him off wavers and steal a draft pick from the Jets.

Do we then make him an H-Back?

errand
08-06-2012, 07:21 PM
Boom's just worried that his claim to fame as "Best Jets QB Since Kenny O'Brien" is being threatened. :)

Why would he worry? Sanchez isn't that good......

Hamrob
08-06-2012, 07:28 PM
I woulld rather see CBS cut Boomer. That guy is a like a hemroid...a pain in the ass!

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 07:34 PM
Why would he worry? Sanchez isn't that good......

It was a joke. And you can tell because Vinny and Chad already put this to bed.

lonestar
08-06-2012, 07:35 PM
When Cutler was drafted, he came to a team that already had an established starter (who had just led the offense to the AFCCG) in Jake Plummer. Yeah, the drafting of Cutler probably was a signal that Plummer's days were numbered as starter in Denver (and indicated that issues existed between Shanahan and Plummer)... but it was never just "presumed" that Cutler would immediately take over. And he might have had a couple of seasons as backup had Plummer not... copped an attitude and half-assed things that season.

My stance is that if Tebow thought he should have the starting job his first year in the league, then he could not afford to do less than the very best performance he was capable of... in practice. His fans' claims that "he just isn't good in practice and Orton sucks but is a practice-field-superstar" just don't hold water. A player who struggles in practice isn't going to be promoted to a starting role by coaches very often. The same concept goes for playcalling... if a play doesn't work/looks bad in practice, then coaches aren't likely to call that play in a game situation, when the outcome matters.

the forum I was on at the time the presumed starter would be cutlet.. at least by his fan bois..

as for Tebow being a gamer lots of those in football, Jake was..

I suspect so was John although way back not sure how many practices were available to the general public..


Let me add that Jake copped the attitude because the rug he knew of stability was taken out from under his feet..

once cutlet was drafted they switched to a drop back passer offense, without if you will recall doing nothing to the OL that was severely undersized at the time I did a comparison and we average about 290 pounds even with IIRC foster (338) as one of the OT..

while most OLines were averaging about 308 IIRC we were undersized about over 25 pounds per man.. to NFL dl's..

As we all saw our QB;' were getting killed with the pass rush.. Jake lost his roll out and his mentor in Kubiack and had Tanahans butt boy as his new OC who BTW was one of the major players in getting cutlet in town..


Which wound up rolling out much of his career in DEN to get away from teh pass rush that Tanahan failed to fix while here..

Got to go.. Got to go..

errand
08-06-2012, 07:37 PM
It was a joke. And you can tell because Vinny and Chad already put this to bed.

I know it was a joke...so was my post.

Agamemnon
08-06-2012, 07:39 PM
Even if he really is hopeless as a passing QB (I'm still waiting for anything resembling proof that his issues are anything more than being a spread QB trying to adjust to pro-style passing in three different systems in three years), the guy is still a force running the football. Boomer Esiason is a dip****.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 07:44 PM
I think you're remembering it wrong. I seem to remember being absolutely SHOCKED when Griese, not Brister, was named starter.

For the record:

Game 1, Brister went 2-7 with an INT.

Game 2, Brister went 8-10 for 93 yards.

Game 3, Brister went 7-10 with an INT.

Game 4, Brister went 14-23 with an INT and 127 yards.

Now, that's obviously not great, but for a guy who was undefeated as the Broncos starter, you would think they would have given him the benefit of the doubt.

No, what I remember was that Shanahan had a hard-on for Griese from the word go, took the job from someone who earned it AND performed well while playing it, and gave it to someone who didn't yet deserve it. I don't think many would have had an issue if we had gone into that season with Brister as the starter, he'd stunk it up, and we'd gone with the young guy instead.

We had the Denver channels that year, so we watched every preseason game... the decision to bench Brister did not surprise me at all because I recall thinking a veteran QB should have looked better than Brister did.

One can just look at the 6-10 record and say that the decision backfired and was an epic fail for Shanahan... but is that really true? Considering all the factors: Elway's retirement, trading Atwater to the Jets, and season-ending injuries to Sharpe, TD, and Mobley, I'm not so certain Brister would have done all that much better than (pre-injury) Griese did. Looking at the 10 losses:

1. Dolphins 38-21 (17 points)
2. Chiefs 26-10 (16 points)
3. Buccaneers 13-10 (3 points)
4. Jets 21-13 (8 points)
5. Patriots 24-23 (1 point)
6. Vikings 23-20 (3 points)
7. Seahawks 20-17 (3 points)
8. Chiefs 16-10 (6 points)
9. Jaguars 27-24 (3 points)
10. Chargers 12-6 (6 points)

... only 3 were lost by more than 6 points and only 2 were really "out of reach".

*numbers from profootballreference.com
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1999.htm

errand
08-06-2012, 07:53 PM
Even if he really is hopeless as a passing QB (I'm still waiting for anything resembling proof that his issues are anything more than being a spread QB trying to adjust to pro-style passing in three different systems in three years), the guy is still a force running the football. Boomer Esiason is a dip****.


LOL LOL LOL LOL

"If"

Hamrob
08-06-2012, 07:54 PM
Typical Tebow response:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/06/tebow-on-esiasons-criticisms-ive-heard-it-all-before/

Ive heard nothing but great things about Mr. Esiason, Tebow said, in comments distributed by the team. I know he was a great player here, and I just wish him nothing but the best in his announcing and God bless him.

cmhargrove
08-06-2012, 07:59 PM
Yeah my bad I forgot all those teams that run the "wild cat" that go deep into the playoffs. Hilarious!

Ok, so let's review a little bit of your faulty logic.

First, you are insinuating that a gimmicky run-first offense can't get a team to the playoffs. I guess we can look at the 2011 Denver Broncos and our buddy Tebow to discount that. Also, who was the Jets last loss in the AFC Championship two years ago? You guessed it, the Seelers (which just lost in the playoffs to that same gimmicky offense). So now it makes a little more sense, right?

Next, look at Sparano's history. He took a 2007 Dolphins team that was 1-15 (worst record in the NFL), and used the "wildcat" to rule the AFC East (the Jets division) and earn an 11-5 record on their way to the playoffs. So, Sparano (the new Jets OC), knows he can beat all of the teams in the AFC East using the right personnel in a creative, run first package. Does it make any sense now?

It takes the right coach and the right personnel, and that is a rare combination for such a package in the NFL. Obviously the Jets think it will help them win games, but you might kow more than them, so I guess we will all see who is right as this season gets going.

Agamemnon
08-06-2012, 08:03 PM
By the way, I can't help but laugh at the continuous nitpicking of the guy now that he is no longer a Bronco. It really is surreal. I mean the guy struggled in a scrimmage where he was playing with backups against the 1st string defense while still learning yet another system. The bigger story to me is that Sanchez could barely do anything against the backup defense. Sounds like the Jets have serious issues on offense in general.

errand
08-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Ok, so let's review a little bit of your faulty logic.

First, you are insinuating that a gimmicky run-first offense can't get a team to the playoffs. I guess we can look at the 2011 Denver Broncos and our buddy Tebow to discount that. Also, who was the Jets last loss in the AFC Championship two years ago? You guessed it, the Seelers (which just lost in the playoffs to that same gimmicky offense). So now it makes a little more sense, right?

Next, look at Sparano's history. He took a 2007 Dolphins team that was 1-15 (worst record in the NFL), and used the "wildcat" to rule the AFC East (the Jets division) and earn an 11-5 record on their way to the playoffs. So, Sparano (the new Jets OC), knows he can beat all of the teams in the AFC East using the right personnel in a creative, run first package. Does it make any sense now?

It takes the right coach and the right personnel, and that is a rare combination for such a package in the NFL. Obviously the Jets think it will help them win games, but you might kow more than them, so I guess we will all see who is right as this season gets going.

...yes, but you left out that the 2007 Dolphins and the 2011 Broncos had played a last place schedule....while not the sole reason they improved, it was one reason they did, wouldn't you agree?

Captain 'Dre
08-06-2012, 08:05 PM
Boomer's right actually. I see this whole thing going over really, really bad for Rex Ryan.

Whom among us wouldn't enjoy seeing the Jets implode?

houghtam
08-06-2012, 08:07 PM
We had the Denver channels that year, so we watched every preseason game... the decision to bench Brister did not surprise me at all because I recall thinking a veteran QB should have looked better than Brister did.

One can just look at the 6-10 record and say that the decision backfired and was an epic fail for Shanahan... but is that really true? Considering all the factors: Elway's retirement, trading Atwater to the Jets, and season-ending injuries to Sharpe, TD, and Mobley, I'm not so certain Brister would have done all that much better than (pre-injury) Griese did. Looking at the 10 losses:

1. Dolphins 38-21 (17 points)
2. Chiefs 26-10 (16 points)
3. Buccaneers 13-10 (3 points)
4. Jets 21-13 (8 points)
5. Patriots 24-23 (1 point)
6. Vikings 23-20 (3 points)
7. Seahawks 20-17 (3 points)
8. Chiefs 16-10 (6 points)
9. Jaguars 27-24 (3 points)
10. Chargers 12-6 (6 points)

... only 3 were lost by more than 6 points and only 2 were really "out of reach".

*numbers from profootballreference.com
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1999.htm

All of that could be true and is debatable. I'm just using it as an example of sometimes..actually MOST times, preseason performance has a very negligible effect on most position races, and for high profile positions such as quarterbacks, it's historically had even less of an effect.

I already said Brister's performance wasn't great, but the fact of the matter is that his preseason performance was nowhere near bad enough to offset the service he had done for the team up to that point, combined with Griese's to-date professional stat-line, which was 3 attempts, 1 completion, 1 interception.

For the starting positions, the vast majority (nearly all?) of them are driven by other factors (past performance in games that actually matter, contract status, longevity, etc.), and definitely not preseason performance.

errand
08-06-2012, 08:07 PM
By the way, I can't help but laugh at the continuous nitpicking of the guy now that he is no longer a Bronco. It really is surreal. I mean the guy struggled in a scrimmage where he was playing with backups against the 1st string defense while still learning yet another system. The bigger story to me is that Sanchez could barely do anything against the backup defense. Sounds like the Jets have serious issues on offense in general.

Well, when members on here still think

[] that Manning shouldn't have been signed,

[] Tebow shouldn't have been traded, and

[] even if Manning was signed and Tebow wasn't traded, we should bench Manning for Tebow in the red zone

you can't help but expect others to take exception to that ignorant ****

Gutless Drunk
08-06-2012, 08:10 PM
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Blueflame
08-06-2012, 08:19 PM
All of that could be true and is debatable. I'm just using it as an example of sometimes..actually MOST times, preseason performance has a very negligible effect on most position races, and for high profile positions such as quarterbacks, it's historically had even less of an effect.

I already said Brister's performance wasn't great, but the fact of the matter is that his preseason performance was nowhere near bad enough to offset the service he had done for the team up to that point, combined with Griese's to-date professional stat-line, which was 3 attempts, 1 completion, 1 interception.

For the starting positions, the vast majority (nearly all?) of them are driven by other factors (past performance in games that actually matter, contract status, longevity, etc.), and definitely not preseason performance.

There are times, however... (Brister's demotion being a relevant example for a Broncos forum) when even a veteran risks losing his starting job/maybe even his roster slot... if he doesn't give full effort in practice/preseason/training camp.. and certainly a young player seeking a starting position isn't likely to earn a promotion unless his performance impresses coaches before the season starts. You can't just say "well he sucks in practice/camp but deserves to start anyway"... the vast majority of the time, it isn't gonna happen that way... and not "just" for Tim Tebow; it's the way the league generally works.

cmhargrove
08-06-2012, 08:33 PM
...yes, but you left out that the 2007 Dolphins and the 2011 Broncos had played a last place schedule....while not the sole reason they improved, it was one reason they did, wouldn't you agree?

I agree wholeheartedly that it helped them on their way. But winning your division is always the primary goal of each team, and that is a consistent obstacle regardless of the rest of your schedule. So, regardless of first place or last place schedule, winning your division is an equal task. But good point.

I just wanted to point out that it could indeed be done, and especially by the very people (players and coaches) trying to pull it off again.

baja
08-06-2012, 08:34 PM
Do we then make him an H-Back?

No we always call him a quarterback. We line him up in the back field behind Manning and Manning either passes or hands off the TT and TT either runs it in himself or completes the pass (maybe back to Manning who strolled undetected into the end zone). Imagine the options with Manning & TT in the backfield.

DBroncos4life
08-06-2012, 08:48 PM
Ok, so let's review a little bit of your faulty logic.

First, you are insinuating that a gimmicky run-first offense can't get a team to the playoffs. I guess we can look at the 2011 Denver Broncos and our buddy Tebow to discount that. Also, who was the Jets last loss in the AFC Championship two years ago? You guessed it, the Seelers (which just lost in the playoffs to that same gimmicky offense). So now it makes a little more sense, right?

Next, look at Sparano's history. He took a 2007 Dolphins team that was 1-15 (worst record in the NFL), and used the "wildcat" to rule the AFC East (the Jets division) and earn an 11-5 record on their way to the playoffs. So, Sparano (the new Jets OC), knows he can beat all of the teams in the AFC East using the right personnel in a creative, run first package. Does it make any sense now?

It takes the right coach and the right personnel, and that is a rare combination for such a package in the NFL. Obviously the Jets think it will help them win games, but you might kow more than them, so I guess we will all see who is right as this season gets going.

Let me break this down for you so you understand. The "wildcat" is DEAD. What happened after the NFL caught onto the "wildcat"? Well lets look at Sparano's history. 7-9, 7-9, fired. Teams in the AFC East know how to stop the "wildcat".

The Moops
08-06-2012, 08:59 PM
It's obvious that Boomer Esiason is a bitter x-qb. He should talk about qb play. The bottom line is wins. Esiason's record as the Jets starter was 15-27. His career winning percentage of .423% (80-93) is among the worst in NFL history. He often talks about how he was robbed in Super Bowl XXIII but his stats sucked: 11 of 25, 144 yds and a pick. Zero TD passes and did not even lead Bengals to a single TD. Meanwhile, Montana was 23 of 36 for 357 yds and 2 TDs including the 92-yd game winner.

And all Esiason talks about is how he should be in the HOF.

cmhargrove
08-06-2012, 09:01 PM
Let me break this down for you so you understand. The "wildcat" is DEAD. What happened after the NFL caught onto the "wildcat"? Well lets look at Sparano's history. 7-9, 7-9, fired. Teams in the AFC East know how to stop the "wildcat".

I think it's quite clear what you want to say and we disagree. I mentioned before the concepts of Zone Read, Read Option, and Wildcat. When the general press sees Tebow line up in a shotgun, and have the chance to handoff, keep, or pass they will probably erroneously call it a "wildcat," just like they are doing in the press right now. Just go ahead, Google "Tebow" and "wildcat" and see what pops up.

Your theory that it can't work against the AFC East is just assinine. The Tebow led Broncos just beat two of the four AFC East teams last year with Zone Read, and had the Patriots on the ropes for one half. The Bills killed us because of a massive cascade of errors (mostly in the passing game).

Obviously, the Jets are practicing some sort of Tebow package, and I bet it looks a lot like the Zone Read scheme we ran last year. Time will tell, and I certainly don't guarantee it's success, but it does have a proven track record with the current Jets personnel. I humbly withhold my opinion until we watch the season, but I bet when Tebow scores his first touchdown, they call it a "wildcat" play.

DBroncos4life
08-06-2012, 09:05 PM
I think it's quite clear what you want to say and we disagree. I mentioned before the concepts of Zone Read, Read Option, and Wildcat. When the general press sees Tebow line up in a shotgun, and have the chance to handoff, keep, or pass they will probably erroneously call it a "wildcat," just like they are doing in the press right now. Just go ahead, Google "Tebow" and "wildcat" and see what pops up.

Your theory that it can't work against the AFC East is just assinine. The Tebow led Broncos just beat two of the four AFC East teams last year with Zone Read, and had the Patriots on the ropes for one half. The Bills killed us because of a massive cascade of errors (mostly in the passing game).

Obviously, the Jets are practicing some sort of Tebow package, and I bet it looks a lot like the Zone Read scheme we ran last year. Time will tell, and I certainly don't guarantee it's success, but it does have a proven track record with the current Jets personnel. I humbly withhold my opinion until we watch the season, but I bet when Tebow scores his first touchdown, they call it a "wildcat" play.

New England CRUSHED us twice. Buffalo killed us after the NFL figured out how to beat us. A act of god helped us beat the Dolphins. I don't think the AFC East is worried at all about Tebow and the "wildcat".

lonestar
08-06-2012, 09:06 PM
It's obvious that Boomer Esiason is a bitter x-qb. He should talk about qb play. The bottom line is wins. Esiason's record as the Jets starter was 15-27. His career winning percentage of .423% (80-93) is among the worst in NFL history. He often talks about how he was robbed in Super Bowl XXIII but his stats sucked: 11 of 25, 144 yds and a pick. Zero TD passes and did not even lead Bengals to a single TD. Meanwhile, Montana was 23 of 36 for 357 yds and 2 TDs including the 92-yd game winner.

And all Esiason talks about is how he should be in the HOF.

:thumbs:

cmhargrove
08-06-2012, 09:12 PM
New England CRUSHED us twice. Buffalo killed us after the NFL figured out how to beat us. A act of god helped us beat the Dolphins. I don't think the AFC East is worried at all about Tebow and the "wildcat".

Just a reminder, we were destroying the Pats in December when the wheels fell off. We had rushed the Zone Read down their throats to the tune of 167 yards in the first quarter. We had three turnovers shortly after that, and Brady capitalized. Take out the turnovers, and I believe we win that game.

If you get the chance, re-watch that first quarter and a half and tell me we weren't absolutely crushing the Pats with the Zone Read.

errand
08-06-2012, 09:12 PM
I agree wholeheartedly that it helped them on their way. But winning your division is always the primary goal of each team, and that is a consistent obstacle regardless of the rest of your schedule. So, regardless of first place or last place schedule, winning your division is an equal task. But good point.

I just wanted to point out that it could indeed be done, and especially by the very people (players and coaches) trying to pull it off again.

Fair enough....

DBroncos4life
08-06-2012, 09:19 PM
Just a reminder, we were destroying the Pats in December when the wheels fell off. We had rushed the Zone Read down their throats to the tune of 167 yards in the first quarter. We had three turnovers shortly after that, and Brady capitalized. Take out the turnovers, and I believe we win that game.

If you get the chance, re-watch that first quarter and a half and tell me we weren't absolutely crushing the Pats with the Zone Read.

Dude I watched the game. We had lots of yards but the score of the game was 16 to 14 when the wheels came off. How is that destroying them?

SouthStndJunkie
08-06-2012, 09:26 PM
Typical Tebow response:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/06/tebow-on-esiasons-criticisms-ive-heard-it-all-before/

Ive heard nothing but great things about Mr. Esiason, Tebow said, in comments distributed by the team. I know he was a great player here, and I just wish him nothing but the best in his announcing and God bless him.

Just one time, It would be nice to see Tim Tebow respond to something like that with:

"Boomer Esiason said that? I never liked that prick. I hope someone ****s him in his ass with a forked stick tonight. God bless him."

Jekyll15Hyde
08-06-2012, 09:38 PM
Dude I watched the game. We had lots of yards but the score of the game was 16 to 14 when the wheels came off. How is that destroying them?

little known Tebow effect

BroncoBeavis
08-06-2012, 09:38 PM
...yes, but you left out that the 2007 Dolphins and the 2011 Broncos had played a last place schedule....while not the sole reason they improved, it was one reason they did, wouldn't you agree?

I love the last place schedule argument. Our "last place schedule" last year impacted two scheduled games.

Tennessee and Cincinnati.

Ironically, your BF KO got the benefit of playing both of those "cupcake" games.

BroncsCheer
08-06-2012, 09:45 PM
"If I was the Jets you want to know what I would do? I would cut Tim Tebow. I really would" Boomer Esiason said.


The non-battle battle between Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez for snaps as Jets quarterback remains, annoyingly, at the epicenter of NFL training camp. And it's not going to go away, either.

Unless, of course, the Jets take the advice of CBS' Boomer Esiason, speaking on WFAN's "Boomer and Carton Show" Monday morning, and "cut Tim Tebow."

"If I was the Jets you want to know what I would do? I would cut Tim Tebow. I really would" Esiason said. "I'm telling you right now I would, and I'll tell you why I would: it's just not in any way, shape or form benefiting this team. I just don't see how it benefits this team.

"I just think this whole thing -- at least from my perspective right now in relation to who Mark Sanchez is, your starting quarterback -- is a major mistake."

It's a bold statement from Boomer, but not one likely to ever morph into a realistic situation. Whether or not Tebow can throw (and Boomer points out he can't) is irrelevant to what Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano want to do on offense. They plan to utilize him in the Wildcat offense and ostensibly make him a dangerous red-zone threat. Plus, if Sanchez struggles, Tebow presents a somewhat viable alternative.
Q

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/19738649/boomer-esiason-says-jets-should-cut-tim-tebow

That's actually a pretty good article. Funny, but still respectful, but really shows how big a meat nozzle diva Boomer is

cmhargrove
08-06-2012, 09:46 PM
Dude I watched the game. We had lots of yards but the score of the game was 16 to 14 when the wheels came off. How is that destroying them?

I still hold that we win the game without the three turnovers, but it's ok to disagree. In the long run, it is an ancillary point to the original question.

Actually, our discussion is getting a little circular now. How about we just agree to disagree and I'm sure that by watching the Jets season unfold, we can let the facts speak for themselves.

maven
08-06-2012, 09:55 PM
I still hold that we win the game without the three turnovers, but it's ok to disagree. In the long run, it is an ancillary point to the original question.


Well yah. If the Broncos would've Bernard Pollard Brady's ass on the 1st series of the playoffs last year, Tebow would've probably led Denver to the AFC Championship game.

Turd_Ferguson
08-06-2012, 10:00 PM
I love the last place schedule argument. Our "last place schedule" last year impacted two scheduled games.

Tennessee and Cincinnati.

Ironically, your BF KO got the benefit of playing both of those "cupcake" games.

Yea it was a real cupcake game for Orton when he beat us by scoring one ****ing touchdown cause Tebow sucked so bad.

Problem isn't solved by cutting Tebow, they should just tell him to shut his mouth around the media. If that clown would stop going out there and saying stuff like "oh gee whiz I just want to do whats best for my team and I would love to be starting QB." He could create a QB controversy if he was playing behind Manning Elway and Marino. His idiot fans, obsessed media, and refusal to take a back up role and sit back and wait for his turn make him a disease to a team.

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 10:07 PM
I still hold that we win the game without the three turnovers, but it's ok to disagree. In the long run, it is an ancillary point to the original question.

Actually, our discussion is getting a little circular now. How about we just agree to disagree and I'm sure that by watching the Jets season unfold, we can let the facts speak for themselves.

Just glad whatever happens to the Jest.... happens to them and not to us. If brawls are erupting during training camp... threatening to spill over into the fans... this is not a good thing for team cohesion or a good indicator that they'll be able to focus on a singleness of purpose. It's best if they can recognize the other team... and only the other team... as their "common enemy" instead of having the locker room divided with "x" number of players wanting one QB to start; "y" number of other players wanting the other QB.

Oh, well. Don't like the Jest anyway and really don't care if they suck. We'll just have to make sure to have a good supply of popcorn as we watch it all play out.

houghtam
08-06-2012, 10:38 PM
Just glad whatever happens to the Jest.... happens to them and not to us. If brawls are erupting during training camp... threatening to spill over into the fans... this is not a good thing for team cohesion or a good indicator that they'll be able to focus on a singleness of purpose. It's best if they can recognize the other team... and only the other team... as their "common enemy" instead of having the locker room divided with "x" number of players wanting one QB to start; "y" number of other players wanting the other QB.

Oh, well. Don't like the Jest anyway and really don't care if they suck. We'll just have to make sure to have a good supply of popcorn as we watch it all play out.

You're not seriously suggesting that the brawl tonight was Tebow's fault, are you?

Blueflame
08-06-2012, 10:55 PM
You're not seriously suggesting that the brawl tonight was Tebow's fault, are you?

Dang, some of you guys are touchy. The only reason I even know there was a brawl was that it was mentioned by another poster (Drunken Broncoholic, I think) upthread. Dunno or care whose fault it was or why it happened; it's a general observation that controversies (over whatever or for whatever reason) are typically not noted as ideal ways of uniting a locker room. It is my personal opinion that Sanchez will have to play virtually mistake-free football 'cause if he doesn't that team is likely to have a QB controversy and all the individual differences of opinion that brings to the team and its fanbase (which does not include me so I'm gonna be happy to be an entertained spectator eating popcorn).

Pony Boy
08-06-2012, 10:56 PM
Caption this pic ........

razorwire77
08-06-2012, 11:01 PM
Caption this pic ........

"So Boom, do you have any teenage daughters?"

baja
08-06-2012, 11:10 PM
Two grossly unhealthy men trying to look viral

Jetmeck
08-07-2012, 04:28 AM
LOL LOL LOL LOL

"If"

Dude......take your future seeing ass over to the stock market.....they need talent like you......................Hilarious!

Jetmeck
08-07-2012, 04:29 AM
You're not seriously suggesting that the brawl tonight was Tebow's fault, are you?

prob so she def a hater..................

Jetmeck
08-07-2012, 04:39 AM
Well, when members on here still think

[] that Manning shouldn't have been signed,

[] Tebow shouldn't have been traded, and

[] even if Manning was signed and Tebow wasn't traded, we should bench Manning for Tebow in the red zone

you can't help but expect others to take exception to that ignorant ****

I gotta wonder if you talk ignorance like this all the time or do just like to argue on the internet for the sake of argueing.

You'd argue black was white wouldn't you ? Sure you aren't a woman.................sorry girls

Tebow would be a weapon near the goal line ....ALREADY A PROVEN FACT, even if your too uneducated to see the obvious.


Here is some advice......take down the avatar. If you ask why you have proven the above points.

cutthemdown
08-07-2012, 04:59 AM
All this stuff about Tebow really more about Sanchez. People don't think he plays well enough to win. Oh he will look better throwing the ball then Tebow but when it comes to wins I think Tebow can outdo him. I really love Tebow and he will be the only non Bronco, non fantasy team player I pull for. He can score more then Sanchez can no doubt about it.

Also when its 17-14 and you are losing by 3, and your defense has played great all day, but Sanchez has stunk, a minute left on the clock.....cmon who you gonna call!

cutthemdown
08-07-2012, 05:01 AM
Dang, some of you guys are touchy. The only reason I even know there was a brawl was that it was mentioned by another poster (Drunken Broncoholic, I think) upthread. Dunno or care whose fault it was or why it happened; it's a general observation that controversies (over whatever or for whatever reason) are typically not noted as ideal ways of uniting a locker room. It is my personal opinion that Sanchez will have to play virtually mistake-free football 'cause if he doesn't that team is likely to have a QB controversy and all the individual differences of opinion that brings to the team and its fanbase (which does not include me so I'm gonna be happy to be an entertained spectator eating popcorn).

No he only has to win. If he starts out 1-4, 0-4, 2-5 something really bad like that then NY HAS A PROBLEM.

Especially when Sanchez gets dinged and Tebow comes in and pile drives some defenders for a last minute win. We all saw it last yr Tebow = never say die.

Jay3
08-07-2012, 05:17 AM
Well, when members on here still think

[] that Manning shouldn't have been signed,

[X] Tebow shouldn't have been traded, and

[X] even if Manning was signed and Tebow wasn't traded, we should bench Manning for Tebow in the red zone

you can't help but expect others to take exception to that ignorant ****

I filled in the ballot. If this team is going to contend for a Super Bowl now, in a "there is no Plan B" attitude, Tebow could have helped. It's no slight of Peyton to throw a "wild thing" change up at the defense. And he's going to get older and older -- as Peyton approaches 40, Tebow would have kept developing his passing while helping in short yardage.

Maybe Tebow wouldn't have gone for it -- I defer to the men who manage players for a living. But I think he would have done it if the attitude was "we're going to win a Super Bowl with Peyton, get yourself ready for the next phase."

Beantown Bronco
08-07-2012, 06:37 AM
I love the last place schedule argument. Our "last place schedule" last year impacted two scheduled games.

Tennessee and Cincinnati.

Ironically, your BF KO got the benefit of playing both of those "cupcake" games.

Cupcake games? Nice memory. You do realize that Tennessee was the ONLY team with a winning record that we beat in the regular season last year, don't you?

BroncoBeavis
08-07-2012, 06:57 AM
Cupcake games? Nice memory. You do realize that Tennessee was the ONLY team with a winning record that we beat in the regular season last year, don't you?

Hence the epic retardedness of the "last place schedule" argument.

Cincy was a playoff team that we played due to our "last place schedule"

Bacchus
08-07-2012, 07:30 AM
By the way, I can't help but laugh at the continuous nitpicking of the guy now that he is no longer a Bronco. It really is surreal. I mean the guy struggled in a scrimmage where he was playing with backups against the 1st string defense while still learning yet another system. The bigger story to me is that Sanchez could barely do anything against the backup defense. Sounds like the Jets have serious issues on offense in general.

People do that to all former Broncos. Gee no one here nit picks on Cutler, Marshall, Hillis or Royal do they?? Jesus should be no different.

ol#7
08-07-2012, 09:12 AM
I just cant believe some of the arguments on here, especially by you blue. Brister was a journyman QB, and Shanny BEGGED Steve Young to come to town for one last rodeo. Shanny THOUGHT he had Young in the bag and was gut punched when Young hung it up instead. Just like Elway he had no plan 'B'. The reason Brister lost the job was he didn't know the playbook. Shanny felt he had no choice at that point. I still think it was a mistake, but it is such a STUPID example to use. Jake was mailing it in back in 05' and wouldnt put in the work. Hence the move to Cutler. I still think he made the right move in fixing the Offense first, had he been given 1 more year I think it would have bore fruit. Last, Freaking Steve DeBerg had his job taken away for #1 overall pick Elway, but had the sack to come in and play when needed, without submarining the team. Why should it have been any different with Tebow. I will never understand the hate.

Dedhed
08-07-2012, 11:06 AM
This seems apropos:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f78/merril-hoge-aaron-rodgers-should-cut-benched-1915885/

Blueflame
08-07-2012, 01:42 PM
I just cant believe some of the arguments on here, especially by you blue. Brister was a journyman QB, and Shanny BEGGED Steve Young to come to town for one last rodeo. Shanny THOUGHT he had Young in the bag and was gut punched when Young hung it up instead. Just like Elway he had no plan 'B'. The reason Brister lost the job was he didn't know the playbook. Shanny felt he had no choice at that point. I still think it was a mistake, but it is such a STUPID example to use. Jake was mailing it in back in 05' and wouldnt put in the work. Hence the move to Cutler. I still think he made the right move in fixing the Offense first, had he been given 1 more year I think it would have bore fruit. Last, Freaking Steve DeBerg had his job taken away for #1 overall pick Elway, but had the sack to come in and play when needed, without submarining the team. Why should it have been any different with Tebow. I will never understand the hate.

Yes, Brister was a journeyman QB... but he was also a veteran and the way I recall things, it seemed pretty obvious that the thought had never occurred to Bubby of anyone but him being "Elway's heir apparent"... and he did not accept Shanahan's decision with grace; he threw a hissy fit and groused bitterly to the media. But that's not my point... the point I was trying to make is that for a football player, training camp and practice is as much a part of their job as game day is. They can't look horrible in camp/practice/preseason and still expect to be promoted, and that applies to all players, including Tim Tebow.

Shanahan's coaching philosophy had always seemed to be that strong offense could somewhat camouflage a suspect defense... even in the SB years, the offense would start fast and put up such a huge lead that it was pretty much insurmountable, lessening pressure on the defense. I totally agree that given another season, Shanahan would have devoted most of the team's resources to the defense, as the offense was performing very close to the level he wanted.

It would have been interesting to see Steve Young play for the Broncos... I can definitely understand Shanahan's interest. But I also understand why Young opted for retirement, especially considering the number of concussions he'd suffered and all the health ramifications... he made a wise decision for his future health.

maven
08-07-2012, 01:45 PM
All the same ****ty pro/against Tebow posts just moves from one thread to another.

Carry on.