Muller: Call Me A Converted Skeptic

[Fedaykin]

Richard A. Muller, founder of the BEST project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Muller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth_Surface_Temperature


"CALL me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause."

"My total turnaround, in such a short time, is the result of careful and objective analysis by the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, which I founded with my daughter Elizabeth. Our results show that the average temperature of the earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases."


And by the way, who funded this reasearch?

"The BEST project is funded by unrestricted educational grants totalling (as of March 2011) about $635,000. Large donors include Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the Charles G. Koch Foundation, the Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (FICER)[4], and the William K. Bowes, Jr. Foundation.[5] The donors have no control over how BEST conducts the research or what they publish.[6]"

[W*GS]

Yep, he showed once again what was already known. Rather boring, actually.

[Fedaykin]

Yep, he showed once again what was already known. Rather boring, actually.

It's mostly interesting because this is a guy that the deniers held up for the argument by (false) authority. Muller was very outspoken about perceived problems in GCC research (heath island, sample bias, sunspots and all the other common denier complaints).

Of course, he wasn't an authority at all -- the denier types don't grok that an expert in one field or subject does not imply expertise in another field or subject. Biology expertise does not imply physics expertise. Physics expertise does not imply climatology expertise.

So here we have a physicist, complaining about perceived problems in a subject he has no expertise in, being held up as an authority for no other reason that he's a "scientist".

Muller has integrity though, apparently, so he actually started working on the problem and, behold, now he agrees.

[W*GS]

Muller has already been thrown under the bus by the hardcore deniers.

He didn't discover anything new, nor will deniers be persuaded in any way by his work.

Snore.

[GreasyQtip]

The Koch's have already taken to denying agreement with this report after first saying they will agree with any results found.

Many Senators quoted him when they claimed global warming was false, his complete turn around should be a spark to the far right conservative who deny science. Your policies do not change what is happening, closing your eyes and ears doesn't help.

However he hasn't changed anyones mind, I love science because it is unbiased and you just look at results, you don't have to believe in it but its happening (evolution, helio centered universe, global warming etc.)

[El Minion]

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it" – Neil deGrasse Tyson

[barryr]

Wow, a professor at California-Berkeley believes man is causing global warming and always had, how surprising LOL

[GreasyQtip]

Wow, a professor at California-Berkeley believes man is causing global warming and always had, how surprising LOL

Both post above this, were specifically put in place to predate this post.

Your party had no problem claiming him credible before, but now all you can do is think of him as a liberal kook.

The great thing is that science IS still true. And similar to many of your posts, not having a real response and just leaving LOLs and smirks is exactly why people often feel superior on the other side of an argument with you. It is how I am beginning to feel about the far right and science naysayers. Do they even believe what they say or are they just unhappy hearing new things and just immediately are against it all.

No one is telling you to stop driving a car, but is it to much to ask to start the conversation about the environment. Well its hard when one side presents facts and research and the other laughs and smirks and relies on the ignorance of the crowd to be entertained.

Sheesh, I digress, wtf is going on, please don't vote ever

[barryr]

Both post above this, were specifically put in place to predate this post.

Your party had no problem claiming him credible before, but now all you can do is think of him as a liberal kook.

The great thing is that science IS still true. And similar to many of your posts, not having a real response and just leaving LOLs and smirks is exactly why people often feel superior on the other side of an argument with you. It is how I am beginning to feel about the far right and science naysayers. Do they even believe what they say or are they just unhappy hearing new things and just immediately are against it all.

No one is telling you to stop driving a car, but is it to much to ask to start the conversation about the environment. Well its hard when one side presents facts and research and the other laughs and smirks and relies on the ignorance of the crowd to be entertained.

Sheesh, I digress, wtf is going on, please don't vote ever

And there are many scientists who dispute those findings, so who is right? The ones you agree with? Yeah, that's some real scientific, intellectual debate going on. I had never heard of the guy, so I don't really care what my supposed "party" believed or not. Unlike dullards like liberals who need to believe everything that comes out of a democrats' mouths, I don't need to believe any and everything from a republican or anyone else for that matter. Is there a professor at Cal-Berkeley who isn't liberal and/or doesn't believe man causes global warming, so we need to start investing more in green technology that has gone so well by the way so far? How about you try voting with some thought other than the usual simple search for that "D" by someone's name.

[Fedaykin]

And there are many scientists who dispute those findings, so who is right? The ones you agree with? Yeah, that's some real scientific, intellectual debate going on. I had never heard of the guy, so I don't really care what my supposed "party" believed or not. Unlike dullards like liberals who need to believe everything that comes out of a democrats' mouths, I don't need to believe any and everything from a republican or anyone else for that matter. Is there a professor at Cal-Berkeley who isn't liberal and/or doesn't believe man causes global warming, so we need to start investing more in green technology that has gone so well by the way so far? How about you try voting with some thought other than the usual simple search for that "D" by someone's name.

Gotta love the hypocrisy. All the bluster about party line voting, dullards believing everything, etc.

Preceded by the awesome rebuttal: Well, the guy's from Berkley!

Pathetic

[houghtam]

"But...the money."

[Requiem]

Gotta love the hypocrisy. All the bluster about party line voting, dullards believing everything, etc.

Preceded by the awesome rebuttal: Well, the guy's from Berkley!

Pathetic

The saddest thing about the denier realm is not that they blatantly dismiss the research, but that their notion of what global warming actually is extremely limited. "We Aintts warmiong the planet! Deeer, jsut no way!!!!"

. . .

Well that isn't what it is all about dip****!

[W*GS]

And there are many scientists who dispute those findings, so who is right?

Such as?

[El Minion]

And there are many scientists who dispute those findings, so who is right? The ones you agree with? Yeah, that's some real scientific, intellectual debate going on. I had never heard of the guy, so I don't really care what my supposed "party" believed or not. Unlike dullards like liberals who need to believe everything that comes out of a democrats' mouths, I don't need to believe any and everything from a republican or anyone else for that matter. Is there a professor at Cal-Berkeley who isn't liberal and/or doesn't believe man causes global warming, so we need to start investing more in green technology that has gone so well by the way so far? How about you try voting with some thought other than the usual simple search for that "D" by someone's name.

Hilarious! dullards Hilarious! Cal Hilarious!


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Does Liberty University even grant a physics degree, let alone have a physics department? How about any of the other Hard sciences? Those dullards at Cal sure aren't like those geniuses (http://richarddawkins.net/articles/290) at Liberty U Hilarious!

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Whew!

Good thing global warming is just a "hoax."

For a minute there, I thought these droughts were real!

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Oke_543tguiGa161TzkvyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTg2O3E9ODU7dz0xMzA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/7db25a7b6fcaee15160f6a7067001585.jpg (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mercury-rising-5-consequences-drought-scorching-american-farmland-172528603.html) 5 consequences from the drought that's drying out America (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mercury-rising-5-consequences-drought-scorching-american-farmland-172528603.html)

The worst drought in a generation is punishing farmers and burning up the nation's corn crop. Nearly 65 percent of the nation is experiencing a drought right now, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor. Many farmers were just trying to get over last summer's dry spell when the hottest June on record rolled in, threatening [...]

[GreasyQtip]

Whew!

Good thing global warming is just a "hoax."

For a minute there, I thought these droughts were real!

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Oke_543tguiGa161TzkvyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTg2O3E9ODU7dz0xMzA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/7db25a7b6fcaee15160f6a7067001585.jpg (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mercury-rising-5-consequences-drought-scorching-american-farmland-172528603.html) 5 consequences from the drought that's drying out America (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/mercury-rising-5-consequences-drought-scorching-american-farmland-172528603.html)

The worst drought in a generation is punishing farmers and burning up the nation's corn crop. Nearly 65 percent of the nation is experiencing a drought right now, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor. Many farmers were just trying to get over last summer's dry spell when the hottest June on record rolled in, threatening [...]

You are going about it all wrong is the problem.

First you have to laugh and chuckle to yourself at people who believe it

Next you create a law that explains that this is not real

that is the only sure fire way of making sure science wont happen

[GreasyQtip]

According to the Burlington Free Press, Senator Inhofe has said, "It has become something of a religion to say that the world is coming to an end. The world is not coming to an end. We're going through a cycle. We've had these cycles before. It gets colder and warmer and colder and warmer. God is still up there."

Inhofe, who has represented Oklahoma in the U.S. Senate since 1994, is known for receiving significant campaign contributions from oil, gas and electric utility companies. Between 2007 and 2012 Inhofe received just over $500,00 from oil and gas companies -- including $44,600 from Koch Industries -- and nearly $200,000 from electric utilities, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Richard Muller, a University of California, Berkeley professor known for his Charles G. Koch-backed Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project and skepticism toward climate change's human origin, recently penned an op-ed for The New York Times entitled "The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic." Following an "intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists," he wrote, Muller now accepts that climate change is "real" and "humans are almost entirely the cause."

Despite decisive acknowledgment from the world's premier scientific academies that climate change is in fact happening, Inhofe remains resolute. Earlier this year, he authored a book entitled "The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future," which was published by the conservative news site WorldNetDaily. In a review which says Inhofe "claims he is winning in his fight to debunk global warming," American Geophysical Union member and retired chemistry professor J.C. Moore, says "Inhofe's greatest adversary is nature itself."

While promoting his book in March, Inhofe denied the possibility of human-induced climate change, saying on a Christian radio program, "The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what [God] is doing in the climate is to me outrageous."

Found this article offensive. This is what it is like to deal with a conservative bought out by big oil within Senate. Nothing can possibly get done if this is your stance.

His arguement why scientists are wrong = "Humans have to be stupid to think they can change what God is doing with climate."

How the hell am I suppose to live with people who use God to make policy, that will surely leave us all dead pretty soon.

He also utilizes one of my favorite strategies, Mr. Senator, the world is getting slightly warmer it could get worse. Reply: The world isn't ending! There is a God! (yea Mr. Senator I feel really arrogant)

Okay... but Senator I was asking about the temperature raising

[houghtam]

Found this article offensive. This is what it is like to deal with a conservative bought out by big oil within Senate. Nothing can possibly get done if this is your stance.

His arguement why scientists are wrong = "Humans have to be stupid to think they can change what God is doing with climate."

How the hell am I suppose to live with people who use God to make policy, that will surely leave us all dead pretty soon.

He also utilizes one of my favorite strategies, Mr. Senator, the world is getting slightly warmer it could get worse. Reply: The world isn't ending! There is a God! (yea Mr. Senator I feel really arrogant)

Okay... but Senator I was asking about the temperature raising

If you ask Beavis and barryr, they see no harm in allowing people to enact Bible-thumper policies. Live and let live, they say :)

[Requiem]

Please refer to Beavis as jhns.

[W*GS]

Look up "shimkus bible" on YouTube. The guy actually held up a Bible and said that since we were promised that the earth wouldn't get flooded again (think Noah), we didn't have to worry about sea level rise.

No ****.

[Rohirrim]

Check this out:

Meanwhile the tide of numbers continues. The week after the Rio conference limped to its conclusion, Arctic sea ice hit the lowest level ever recorded for that date. Last month, on a single weekend, Tropical Storm Debby dumped more than 20 inches of rain on Florida – the earliest the season's fourth-named cyclone has ever arrived. At the same time, the largest fire in New Mexico history burned on, and the most destructive fire in Colorado's annals claimed 346 homes in Colorado Springs – breaking a record set the week before in Fort Collins. This month, scientists issued a new study concluding that global warming has dramatically increased the likelihood of severe heat and drought – days after a heat wave across the Plains and Midwest broke records that had stood since the Dust Bowl, threatening this year's harvest. You want a big number? In the course of this month, a quadrillion kernels of corn need to pollinate across the grain belt, something they can't do if temperatures remain off the charts. Just like us, our crops are adapted to the Holocene, the 11,000-year period of climatic stability we're now leaving... in the dust.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719#ixzz22K6SDwMjhttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Blart]

If you accept science, you accept global warming, meaning you'll have to accept government regulations on business.

Conservative's entire ideology rests on denial.