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RhymesayersDU
07-22-2012, 03:58 PM
Per the Denver Post.

Discuss.

SouthStndJunkie
07-22-2012, 04:17 PM
$28 million of that offer is guaranteed, which is the real number to focus on.

RhymesayersDU
07-22-2012, 04:19 PM
True; also the word is he wants more than that, so we'll see what happens, if he will be franchised next year, etc.

SouthStndJunkie
07-22-2012, 04:19 PM
However, the league source said Clady and his agent, Pat Dye, are seeking a deal that would slightly exceed the contract of Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas, who received an extension last summer that averages $11.5 million a year, according to the NFL Players Association.

Gutless Drunk
07-22-2012, 04:27 PM
the $10 million average annual value would put Clady with the NFL’s top-five highest-paid left tackles.

Clady, who is in the final year of his rookie contract, is owed $3.5 million in 2012.

Per Klis, however, the offer isn’t viewed as strong enough by Clady’s camp. Agent Pat Dye reportedly wants a deal worth more than that of Cleveland’s Joe Thomas. Thomas signed an eight-year, $92 million deal last August and is the NFL’s richest left tackle.

Clady isn’t as good as Thomas — and it isn’t even close. So the fact that Clady wants more money than a player he’s inferior to suggests no deal is imminent, barring a surprise increase in the Broncos’ already reasonable offer or decrease in Clady’s unreasonable contract demands.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/22/report-broncos-offer-clady-50-million-extension/

dbfan21
07-22-2012, 04:28 PM
Sign it, Ryan!!

R-Mac
07-22-2012, 04:42 PM
The Broncos made a really good offer. Joe Thomas got $44 million guaranteed in an eight-year contract. $5.5 million guaranteed per year. This deal would give Clady $28 million guaranteed in a five-year contract, $5.6 million guaranteed per year. Clady is not as good as Joe Thomas, and a $10 million salary is a very fair offer. Let him play for his current salary, then give him a franchise tag next year. There is no need to accept Clady's unrealistic demands.

broncocalijohn
07-22-2012, 04:45 PM
However, the league source said Clady and his agent, Pat Dye, are seeking a deal that would slightly exceed the contract of Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas, who received an extension last summer that averages $11.5 million a year, according to the NFL Players Association.

He hasnt been as good as his rookie year. He is still living off of that season. Prove you are better than Joe Thomas or the other Top 3 O Linemen.

SoCalBronco
07-22-2012, 04:52 PM
He hasnt been as good as his rookie year. He is still living off of that season. Prove you are better than Joe Thomas or the other Top 3 O Linemen.

Agreed. This is a generous offer considering his level of play since the injury. If he wants more he should prove he can return to his prior form this season.

KCStud
07-22-2012, 04:52 PM
Wow can you say "overspending"? No way Clady is worth that much. Especially after this last season.

Jay3
07-22-2012, 04:56 PM
That's a high offer. Clady should accept it. If he doesn't, make him play it out. We'll see how good he really is trying to hold off a ferocious pass rush designed to get Peyton the only way he can be gotten -- quick pressure.

bronco militia
07-22-2012, 05:12 PM
manning is going to make Clady look like a HOF this year.....I won't be surprised if he test's free agency.

SouthStndJunkie
07-22-2012, 05:14 PM
That's ok....Clady isn't going anywhere.

Denver can franchise him next year if they aren't able to work out a new deal.

Jay3
07-22-2012, 05:17 PM
manning is going to make Clady look like a HOF this year.....I won't be surprised if he test's free agency.

Because he gets rid of it quickly? Offset by the amount of pressure to get at Peyton. Tebow had people actually not wanting to get to him, to make him throw it.

The pass rush will be amped up this year.

And "just get rid of it" is not always the magic answer. Yes, you can avoid a sack. But sometimes Peyton prefers to go ahead and have protection to allow a play to develop.

oubronco
07-22-2012, 05:28 PM
Damn that's more than enough money he needs to sign that and kick back and smile

DENVERDUI55
07-22-2012, 05:37 PM
Clady should sign that as quick as he can. He is banking on Manning making him look like a stud which will happen but none of Manning's LT in the past outside of Glenn were worth any amount of money at all.

RaiderH8r
07-22-2012, 05:37 PM
Agreed. This is a generous offer considering his level of play since the injury. If he wants more he should prove he can return to his prior form this season.

Yep. He should grab the money because his recent play doesn't justify this offer or his perceived value. That rookie year has done him good.

Jay3
07-22-2012, 05:44 PM
The position is a highly paid on (second highest paid position, last I heard). So there's not much to be saved there. Just amounts to a decision that he is the perennial starter.

Drunken.Broncoholic
07-22-2012, 05:50 PM
The season will have a big impact on the number. If clady plays like an all pro that number has to go up to his asking price. If he gives up a lot of sacks and plays bad, or gets injured that number will go down. Clady is banking on the 2012 season performance being his leverage.

canadianbroncosfan
07-22-2012, 06:03 PM
Pat Bowlen is clearly broke.

Anyways Ryan take the ****ing money and run. Or at least block. You want Thomas money, earn Thomas money.

bpc
07-22-2012, 07:54 PM
Clady hasn't looked right since the injury. Hopefully Manning back there will raise his confidence as he gets the ball out quicker.

jutang
07-22-2012, 08:05 PM
Surprised Clady's side is still holding out for more. Value of having a great left tackle isn't as strong as it used to be. There was an article where Gary Zimmerman was saying with 3 & 5 step drops becoming so popular, it makes it much easier for the left tackle to protect the QB. 7 step drops is where elite LT made their money.

lonestar
07-22-2012, 08:08 PM
Yep. He should grab the money because his recent play doesn't justify this offer or his perceived value. That rookie year has done him good.

completely agree with this post..

He was great his rookie year then got hurt and is playing off rep since..

IMO tell him to sign or be tagged the next couple of years.. time enough to get a qualified replacement for him.. and with todays rookie contract we will save a ton of money over the next 4-5 years..

SOunds to me like he is not to smart..

UberBroncoMan
07-22-2012, 08:09 PM
However, the league source said Clady and his agent, Pat Dye, are seeking a deal that would slightly exceed the contract of Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas, who received an extension last summer that averages $11.5 million a year, according to the NFL Players Association.

He should try exceeding Joe Thomas' level of play if he wants that then.

Clady is a good LT but he's not a 5 year player with 5 pro bowls and 3 1st team selections and 1 2nd team selection.

broncocalijohn
07-22-2012, 08:10 PM
Surprised Clady's side is still holding out for more. Value of having a great left tackle isn't as strong as it used to be. There was an article where Gary Zimmerman was saying with 3 & 5 step drops becoming so popular, it makes it much easier for the left tackle to protect the QB. 7 step drops is where elite LT made their money.

Hell, if Clady doesnt come to his senses, Elway might go back to Sturges in 2013 and get Zimmerman to come out of retirement.

lonestar
07-22-2012, 08:12 PM
Pat Bowlen is clearly broke.

Anyways Ryan take the ****ing money and run. Or at least block. You want Thomas money, earn Thomas money.

do you have a clue? Clady is being offered a fair contract compared to his recent past performance..

Pat is not investing his money at this point all the salaries are being paid by ticket sales, (thanks Peyton) and TV money..

Come next year IIRC they have to spend a certain amount of the revenues minimum money unlike this year where if you did not notice we are about as close to the cap as we can get..

 

broncocalijohn
07-22-2012, 08:15 PM
do you have a clue? Clady is being offered a fair contract compared to his recent past performance..

Pat is not investing his money at this point all the salaries are being paid by ticket sales, (thanks Peyton) and TV money..

Come next year IIRC they have to spend a certain amount of the revenues minimum money unlike this year where if you did not notice we are about as close to the cap as we can get..

 

You need to pick up on sarcasm. He thinks Clady should take the money because he is getting a very good deal for himself compared to what he has done in recent years.

Kaylore
07-22-2012, 08:18 PM
Clady might get a better deal blocking for Peyton Manning in free agency. Which is fine with me. Make an offer, let him walk and take the compensatory pick OR franchise if he is legitimately dominant.

lonestar
07-22-2012, 08:35 PM
You need to pick up on sarcasm. He thinks Clady should take the money because he is getting a very good deal for himself compared to what he has done in recent years.

I was referring to his assine statement about Pat being Broke.. Sarcasm or not it was a dumb thing to say..

Some of the posters here are believing that all the money that comes in and goes into Pats Pockets and then is paid out as he sees fit..

Loads do not have a clue on how businesses run..

Gcver2ver3
07-22-2012, 08:35 PM
don't blame clady's camp for wanting more money... thats just negotiating tactics 101...

but the name Joe Thomas should never be uttered from their mouths... its hard to take them serious with that type of demand...

Lestat
07-22-2012, 08:47 PM
the $10 million average annual value would put Clady with the NFL’s top-five highest-paid left tackles.

Clady, who is in the final year of his rookie contract, is owed $3.5 million in 2012.

Per Klis, however, the offer isn’t viewed as strong enough by Clady’s camp. Agent Pat Dye reportedly wants a deal worth more than that of Cleveland’s Joe Thomas. Thomas signed an eight-year, $92 million deal last August and is the NFL’s richest left tackle.

Clady isn’t as good as Thomas — and it isn’t even close. So the fact that Clady wants more money than a player he’s inferior to suggests no deal is imminent, barring a surprise increase in the Broncos’ already reasonable offer or decrease in Clady’s unreasonable contract demands.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/22/report-broncos-offer-clady-50-million-extension/

this mother****er is smoking some serious weed laced with acid if he thinks this is gonna happen. :rofl:

broncocalijohn
07-22-2012, 08:53 PM
I was referring to his assine statement about Pat being Broke.. Sarcasm or not it was a dumb thing to say..

Some of the posters here are believing that all the money that comes in and goes into Pats Pockets and then is paid out as he sees fit..

Loads do not have a clue on how businesses run..

Dude, if you cant tell he was being sarcastic about pat being broke and yet shelling out a possible $50 million on Clady, nobody can help you. It wasn't assinine. It was assinine that you couldn't tell that he was being sarcastic.

lonestar
07-22-2012, 08:54 PM
Dude, if you cant tell he was being sarcastic about pat being broke and yet shelling out a possible $50 million on Clady, nobody can help you. It wasn't assinine. It was assinine that you couldn't tell that he was being sarcastic.

I guess my sarcasm nerve is shot over this weekend..

If you think that way good for you..

baja
07-22-2012, 09:06 PM
Because he gets rid of it quickly? Offset by the amount of pressure to get at Peyton. Tebow had people actually not wanting to get to him, to make him throw it.

The pass rush will be amped up this year.

And "just get rid of it" is not always the magic answer. Yes, you can avoid a sack. But sometimes Peyton prefers to go ahead and have protection to allow a play to develop.


Do you actually believe that?

OBF1
07-22-2012, 09:16 PM
Also add that Clady hurt himself playing hoops and basically missed a year because of him playing basketball.

Joe Thomas>>>>>>> Ryan Clady Facts are facts.

broncosteven
07-22-2012, 09:26 PM
Did Clady sign or is he still drawing this out?

Requiem
07-22-2012, 09:38 PM
Guess we will have to franchise him.

errand
07-22-2012, 09:47 PM
Do you actually believe that?

Of course he does....

razorwire77
07-22-2012, 10:08 PM
That's a really strong offer, given Clady's injury history. Pat musta hit up the King Soopers Coinstar and cashed in some loose change on a trip to buy some knockoff brand bourbon.

If Clady balks at this contract, when the time comes you might as well throw the franchise tag on him. Let him prove he's better than Thomas and if he does then you break the bank slightly more to make him the highest paid tackle in the league. I'm sure Pat will pawn some jewelry to make it happen if that is the case.

delany
07-22-2012, 10:09 PM
I guess my sarcasm nerve is shot over this weekend..

If you think that way good for you..

Here is a clue to help you along because you seem so inept...

If someone says something about Myrtle Beach, Foneco, Ambien, Pat being broke, rant about being voted off of Survivor, meth alley, Ghostbusters, Madise, the Claw, Subway, throat punches, backflips by prospects, breaking off 2k in the Bronco system, having 5 tools, being able to judge that pics are fake from looking at the pixels, heard something on the lightrail….

Assume they are being sarcastic.

Agamemnon
07-23-2012, 05:03 AM
Clady is not worth 10 million a year. Period.

Drek
07-23-2012, 05:17 AM
Do you actually believe that?

FYI, this is factually true.

Multiple opposing defensive players talked about how they were being told repeatedly to keep containment on Tebow as the top priority, not attacking the QB.

New England, who did so well against us in both games, took this to the extreme and basically had their DEs spying the edges for Tebow to scramble around the end.

Teams significantly reduced their pass rush pressure against the Broncos late last season in order to take away escape routes for Tebow.

BroncoInferno
07-23-2012, 05:47 AM
Clady is not worth 10 million a year. Period.

Definitely not the way he played the last two seasons. But his first two seasons in the league, he WAS better than Joe Thomas. The knee injury seems to have taken something out of him. Hopefully, with the knee injury a couple a years in the rearview, he can get back to the Clady of 2008-2009.

BroncoInferno
07-23-2012, 05:55 AM
FYI, this is factually true.

Multiple opposing defensive players talked about how they were being told repeatedly to keep containment on Tebow as the top priority, not attacking the QB.

New England, who did so well against us in both games, took this to the extreme and basically had their DEs spying the edges for Tebow to scramble around the end.

Teams significantly reduced their pass rush pressure against the Broncos late last season in order to take away escape routes for Tebow.

The sack rate doubled with Tebow in the lineup. Almost literally. The sack % ("Percentage of Time Sacked When Attempting to Pass") was 5.5% with Orton and exploded to 10.9% with Tebow. So, if teams were really toning down their pass rush for Tebow, it's pretty ominous that he was nevertheless getting sacked at twice the rate per drop back than the human statue Orton. That says more about Tebow's flaws than the quality of the blocking.

broncswin
07-23-2012, 06:07 AM
Clady might get a better deal blocking for Peyton Manning in free agency. Which is fine with me. Make an offer, let him walk and take the compensatory pick OR franchise if he is legitimately dominant.

Spot on with this post....no damn way is he worth Thomas money. See what he does this year with a pocket passer, if he returns to stud form offer him a top three contract. Joe Thomas money though...gtfo

canadianbroncosfan
07-23-2012, 06:54 AM
Jesus since when do you have to defend a ``Pat Bowlen is clearly broke``

Anyways thanks broncocalijohn and delaney for defending me in my absence. Didn`t think I needed to come back for that one. REP

s0phr0syne
07-23-2012, 07:06 AM
Here is a clue to help you along because you seem so inept...

If someone says something about Myrtle Beach, Foneco, Ambien, Pat being broke, rant about being voted off of Survivor, meth alley, Ghostbusters, Madise, the Claw, Subway, throat punches, backflips by prospects, breaking off 2k in the Bronco system, having 5 tools, being able to judge that pics are fake from looking at the pixels, heard something on the lightrail….

Assume they are being sarcastic.


lol, this needs to be sticky-ed or something as an intro to the OMane

JLesSPE
07-23-2012, 07:08 AM
Here is a clue to help you along because you seem so inept...

If someone says something about Myrtle Beach, Foneco, Ambien, Pat being broke, rant about being voted off of Survivor, meth alley, Ghostbusters, Madise, the Claw, Subway, throat punches, backflips by prospects, breaking off 2k in the Bronco system, having 5 tools, being able to judge that pics are fake from looking at the pixels, heard something on the lightrail….

Assume they are being sarcastic.

Let's just ignore him and discuss whether or not Colquitt has the punting job all locked up.

Smiling Assassin27
07-23-2012, 07:39 AM
Clady isn’t as good as Thomas — and it isn’t even close. So the fact that Clady wants more money than a player he’s inferior to suggests no deal is imminent, barring a surprise increase in the Broncos’ already reasonable offer or decrease in Clady’s unreasonable contract demands.



This. It's still about supply and demand, though, so the Broncos may offer more before it's said and done.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2012, 07:46 AM
For the people saying Clady isn't worth the contract, and I'm not saying you're wrong. But who replaces him? Do we trade up in the next draft to take an elite LT?

Beantown Bronco
07-23-2012, 08:07 AM
For the people saying Clady isn't worth the contract, and I'm not saying you're wrong. But who replaces him? Do we trade up in the next draft to take an elite LT?

Nobody. If he plays well this season, franchise him.
If he sucks, he can be replaced by anyone. Suckage is easy to replace.

RhymesayersDU
07-23-2012, 08:44 AM
Oh right, we can just grab a guy off the street. OMane logic rules.

canadianbroncosfan
07-23-2012, 08:54 AM
For the people saying Clady isn't worth the contract, and I'm not saying you're wrong. But who replaces him? Do we trade up in the next draft to take an elite LT?

I don`t think he`s worth the contract based his performance recently, however I`m not mad at the offer. It`s a supply a demand thing, you`re right there isn`t anyone better right now to replace him with which is why I think he`s being offered such a lucrative contract. I think what most people find baffling, myself included, is that he wants Thomas money. That`s where he`s out of line.

Requiem
07-23-2012, 08:59 AM
The Broncos cannot afford to draft an offensive lineman in the first round next year with big holes at linebacker, defensive back and quite possibly again, the defensive line to fill.

RaiderH8r
07-23-2012, 09:19 AM
Definitely not the way he played the last two seasons. But his first two seasons in the league, he WAS better than Joe Thomas. The knee injury seems to have taken something out of him. Hopefully, with the knee injury a couple a years in the rearview, he can get back to the Clady of 2008-2009.

He should start the road to recovery by coming to his senses and putting about $28 million guaranteed dollars on that knee and stop playing like a scared little bitch. Maybe his footwork is at the bottom of that bag of cash. Whatever. If he holds out for Joe Thomas money he should be ashamed of himself and rightfully laughed out of the locker room.

baja
07-23-2012, 09:55 AM
Oh right, we can just grab a guy off the street. OMane logic rules.

He said if he sucks and he has played a tier or two less since his injury.

cmhargrove
07-23-2012, 10:03 AM
That's a really strong offer, given Clady's injury history. Pat musta hit up the King Soopers Coinstar and cashed in some loose change on a trip to buy some knockoff brand bourbon.

If Clady balks at this contract, when the time comes you might as well throw the franchise tag on him. Let him prove he's better than Thomas and if he does then you break the bank slightly more to make him the highest paid tackle in the league. I'm sure Pat will pawn some jewelry to make it happen if that is the case.

I may be wrong, but I didn't think Clady had ever missed a game in his career.

Tombstone RJ
07-23-2012, 10:14 AM
Its more than a fair offer to Clady. However, Clady's agent is playing hardball. Aside from Clady's rook season, his numbers are mediocre at best. Dye is banking on Manning making Clady look much better. I bet no deal is signed and Clady plays this coming season, has a fantastic season and then wants to talk mo money.

NFLBRONCO
07-23-2012, 10:17 AM
Clady and his agent know their leverage is better due to Manning signing. So they are trying to push envelope.

broncocalijohn
07-23-2012, 10:22 AM
The Broncos cannot afford to draft an offensive lineman in the first round next year with big holes at linebacker, defensive back and quite possibly again, the defensive line to fill.

To go along with Rymes post, if he doesn't sign this contract extension, we can franchise tag him next season. That gives us 1 year to draft an OL and then possibly go FA at our other holes (or visa versa).
Clady thinks we have no other option but we have time. It isn't like the DJ Williams situation where he fails a drug test right before TC starts and after the draft (and most FA already picked up to other teams). This is where Elway and company earn thier pay. They need to plan out if he doesn't sign. It makes it easy for all of us if he does sign it and has the form that Clady had his first two seasons. We would be set and now go after DL and linebackers next season.
Clady, be a team player and also realize this contract is sweet for you. Sign now, get the pressure off and perform! If you really want to be a Bronco, your signing this extension will help us improve in the future.

broncocalijohn
07-23-2012, 10:26 AM
I may be wrong, but I didn't think Clady had ever missed a game in his career.

No, but his injury didn't help after his first 2 seasons. Here is what he was awarded in 08 and 09.

All-Pro Teams
Year Team Level Voters
2008 2nd Team All-NFL Associated Press
2009 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
2009 1st Team All-NFL Pro Football Writers
2009 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News


It is now 2012.

razorwire77
07-23-2012, 10:56 AM
I may be wrong, but I didn't think Clady had ever missed a game in his career.

To clarify, I was referring to the basketball injury and how he was never the same after shredding his knee. He's definitely a tough guy, I just don't think he played at a level worthy of being the highest paid LT in the league the past couple of years. If he plays lights out in a contract year and has a lot of success teaming with Manning, I think you make him the highest paid LT. If he doesn't you cut your losses, grab a comp pick and move on.

cmhargrove
07-23-2012, 11:39 AM
Well, if things don't work out, the Ryan Harris signing might be quite fortuitous. Wasn't Harris a Left Tackle at Notre Dame?

Bronco Yoda
07-23-2012, 11:47 AM
Just earn the money Clady. That's all we ask...

TonyR
07-23-2012, 01:30 PM
Worthwhile read from IAOFM on the subject, noting the reasons why even thought the Broncos "hold all the cards" they would be wise to get a deal done...

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/broncos-offer-clady-28m-in-guarantees-lard

Requiem
07-23-2012, 01:39 PM
Lonestar making some dumb comments on IAOFM!

Rabb
07-23-2012, 01:57 PM
Worthwhile read from IAOFM on the subject, noting the reasons why even thought the Broncos "hold all the cards" they would be wise to get a deal done...

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/broncos-offer-clady-28m-in-guarantees-lard

I love the first comment

Broncos are low balling it, based on Cladys production the last few years.

well no shiat, should they overpay him because his first 2 years were good?

I like Clady as much as the next guy, but come on now

Bacchus
07-23-2012, 03:27 PM
Clady is not worth 10 million a year. Period.

He'll get over $12 million if Denver waits until next year whether he ius worth it or not. So he is not worth $10 million you let him move to another team because he is not worth it then what do you do for a LT?

Sign him and use you draft and FA to get players you need and not worry about the LT position.

Beantown Bronco
07-23-2012, 04:42 PM
He'll get over $12 million if Denver waits until next year whether he ius worth it or not.

Could you be more wrong?

lonestar
07-23-2012, 04:51 PM
I may be wrong, but I didn't think Clady had ever missed a game in his career.

But the real question is how many of them did he play at 100% for that matter 80%..

he was all pro in his rookie year got hurt and has not been his old self since..

If he does not sign then franchise him and draft or buy his replacement as a FA..

It is not like we need an all pro there in the coming years,, very few passing schemes use the 7 step drop as most have moved to the 3 and very few 5 steps..

he is not worth Joe thomas money becasue he is not near him in quality mught have been had he not doen something stupid like playing basketball in teh off season since then he has been slight above average..

IIRC lead the league in holding call last year..

I think the knee is still not fixed..

Agamemnon
07-23-2012, 06:19 PM
He'll get over $12 million if Denver waits until next year whether he ius worth it or not. So he is not worth $10 million you let him move to another team because he is not worth it then what do you do for a LT?

Sign him and use you draft and FA to get players you need and not worry about the LT position.

You replace him with a draft pick or FA. Clady is easily replaceable.

On the other hand overpaying average players will get you in trouble quick. And yes, I just said Clady is average.

Bacchus
07-23-2012, 09:59 PM
He'll get over $12 million if Denver waits until next year whether he ius worth it or not. So he is not worth $10 million you let him move to another team because he is not worth it then what do you do for a LT?

Sign him and use you draft and FA to get players you need and not worry about the LT position.

He might get close to $12 million this year if the Broncos buckle. I think the odds are very good that Clady will be signed just because he is too important to the team. IMO of course. If Denver has to spend a draft pick or get a less productive OT in FA than Denver is farther not closer to the SB. Denver needs all their draft picks and FA money spent on helping the team succeed. Not replacing good/great players that are already on the roster.

The money makes no differance. It is all Monopoloy money anyway. Denver is in win now mode and not resigning your best OLman would be a horrible setback.

Rabb
07-24-2012, 06:28 AM
did you really just quote yourself?

seriously if you are going to keep an alt account, pay attention

baja
07-24-2012, 06:33 AM
You replace him with a draft pick or FA. Clady is easily replaceable.

On the other hand overpaying average players will get you in trouble quick. And yes, I just said Clady is average.

If your willing to pay a player 10 million a year he is not easily replaceable.

bronco militia
07-24-2012, 06:37 AM
If your willing to pay a player 10 million a year he is not easily replaceable.

I agree....and then some team will overpay if he makes it to free agency

Drek
07-24-2012, 07:02 AM
I agree....and then some team will overpay if he makes it to free agency

He won't make it to FA next year. If they team is willing to offer 5/$50M they're definitely willing to franchise tag him at the end of the season.

5/$50M is a very fair offer. If Clady wants more make him prove it, at more than 5/$50M the downside of him never being '08/'09 Clady outweighs the savings if he returns to that form. At or below 5/$50M you can make a strong argument that you're saving money if he returns to career form.

Obviously Ryan is hoping to have his cake and eat it too, getting a deal like he's the elite LT he looked like early on without having played up to that level recently. We can give him that Joe Thomas deal just as easily next off-season if he earns it, or we can have him play another year on the bubble via the franchise tag.

bronco militia
07-24-2012, 07:06 AM
He won't make it to FA next year. If they team is willing to offer 5/$50M they're definitely willing to franchise tag him at the end of the season.

5/$50M is a very fair offer. If Clady wants more make him prove it, at more than 5/$50M the downside of him never being '08/'09 Clady outweighs the savings if he returns to that form. At or below 5/$50M you can make a strong argument that you're saving money if he returns to career form.

Obviously Ryan is hoping to have his cake and eat it too, getting a deal like he's the elite LT he looked like early on without having played up to that level recently. We can give him that Joe Thomas deal just as easily next off-season if he earns it, or we can have him play another year on the bubble via the franchise tag.

oh yeah, I agree. I just think it's foolish for Broncos fans to think Clady can't go out and find a better deal. There are just enough teams every year willing to over spend on solid young players like Clady.

TheChamp24
07-24-2012, 09:38 AM
Fair offer for an above average LT who is still relatively young. He's good, but nowhere close to elite/great.
Didn't he lead the league in holding calls?

Rabb
07-24-2012, 09:45 AM
no, to my knowledge he never called holding on anyone

orange crusher
07-24-2012, 11:07 AM
no, to my knowledge he never called holding on anyone

I'm pretty sure he called something when Richard Seymour pulled his hair. He was mouthing something.

Bacchus
07-24-2012, 02:58 PM
did you really just quote yourself?

seriously if you are going to keep an alt account, pay attention

LOL... I did didn't I! I do not remember why I did this but I'm sure at the time it made perfect sense.

TonyR
07-24-2012, 06:02 PM
I don't think Clady will ever be what we thought he'd become after his rookie year. But I bet after this season with PMFM behind him we'll be talking once again about what a damn fine LT he is.

lonestar
07-24-2012, 07:27 PM
I don't think Clady will ever be what we thought he'd become after his rookie year. But I bet after this season with PMFM behind him we'll be talking once again about what a damn fine LT he is.

I do not think anyone is saying he is not a fine OLT.. you flat do not pay a FINE OLT top money..

What most are saying is he is not elite and should not be expecting elite OLT money..

For the most part the OLT position is not as big a deal as it was 5 or so years ago..

With the move to 3-5 step drop backs the elite guys are just not all that necessary like they were..

Lestat
07-24-2012, 11:11 PM
If your willing to pay a player 10 million a year he is not easily replaceable.

that depends on the reasoning behind paying a player that. if you pay him based upon potential and he doesn't pan out then he is easy to replace.
there have been many times when a player gets paid and becomes a bad investment after the contract is signed(Tommy Kelly,Albert Haynesworth,Kevin Kolb,Donovan McNabb & etc)

if you're based upon performance and they sustain it then yes it's a good deal and they're hard to replace.

but Clady has not played up to the level of a elite LT since his rookie year.
5 years 50 mil is really good value considering his recent performance.
he may be able to get more on the open market but that doesn't mean you pay him for that.

if he balks at this offer or a more improved one then you franchise him and make him prove it two years in a row.

BroncoBuff
07-25-2012, 02:38 AM
I'll play devil's advocate, errr Clady's advocate:


http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8775/clady.jpg

"I'm constantly handicapped by revolving door coaching staffs and inept personnel. I'm so tired of helping this Beadles character on every single passing down, and ever since Dan Graham left, sealing the corner on running plays has been near-impossible. You say Tim Tebow was never boring, fine fine. But he was never scoring either. Plus he was left-handed ... everybody knows it's no fair to start a lefty when you have an elite LT. And don't get me started on Kno-Shon Moreno. I KNOW we SHON-unt have drafted him. Here's the deal: Just give me a reasonably stable staff, roster and system, and I'll earn Joe Thomas money. Every cent of it."

TonyR
07-25-2012, 06:05 AM
What most are saying is he is not elite and should not be expecting elite OLT money..

Agree, but at the same time you're somewhat forced to pay the market rate until you have a better option. You can't have a scrub protecting your $100 million QB. Clady may not be the best but he's a hell of a lot better than Tebow made him look last year.

Play2win
07-25-2012, 06:13 AM
Agree, but at the same time you're somewhat forced to pay the market rate until you have a better option. You can't have a scrub protecting your $100 million QB. Clady may not be the best but he's a hell of a lot better than Tebow made him look last year.

Also, this year is going to be the first year he will really be recovered from his injury. We might see a whole different Clady this year.

Man-Goblin
07-25-2012, 07:07 AM
I'll play devil's advocate, errr Clady's advocate:


http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8775/clady.jpg

"I'm constantly handicapped by revolving door coaching staffs and inept personnel. I'm so tired of helping this Beadles character on every single passing down, and ever since Dan Graham left, sealing the corner on running plays has been near-impossible. You say Tim Tebow was never boring, fine fine. But he was never scoring either. Plus he was left-handed ... everybody knows it's no fair to start a lefty when you have an elite LT. And don't get me started on Kno-Shon Moreno. I KNOW we SHON-unt have drafted him. Here's the deal: Just give me a reasonably stable staff, roster and system, and I'll earn Joe Thomas money. Every cent of it."

You shonunt have cut your hair. And you shonunt have played basketball. You'll take the measly $50 million and like it, bitch.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2012, 08:03 AM
lolwhat

BroncoBeavis
07-25-2012, 08:21 AM
I've been told PM is unsackable. Cut him. :)

BroncoBen
07-25-2012, 09:36 AM
.....

Obviously Ryan is hoping to have his cake and eat it too, getting a deal like he's the elite LT he looked like early on without having played up to that level recently. .....

Its looking to me like Clady and his agent want that 'Highest paid LT' in the league monikar. I heard the other day on the radio that both sides agree on the 'guaranteed' money part of the deal, the hangup is the number of years.

Heck.. make it a ten year contract at $100 million.. means nothing.. what matters is the guarantee.

Bacchus
07-25-2012, 10:36 AM
Its looking to me like Clady and his agent want that 'Highest paid LT' in the league monikar. I heard the other day on the radio that both sides agree on the 'guaranteed' money part of the deal, the hangup is the number of years.

Heck.. make it a ten year contract at $100 million.. means nothing.. what matters is the guarantee.

Contracts are always outdated as soon as Clady signs a huge contract in two years he will be underpaid due to larger contracts. If Denver could sign him to a very large contract even with a lot guaranteed they will make that money up on the back end of the deal. Clady will be very good for many years. Get it done.

Wes Mantooth
07-25-2012, 10:47 AM
I don't think Clady will ever be what we thought he'd become after his rookie year. But I bet after this season with PMFM behind him we'll be talking once again about what a damn fine LT he is.

It is hard to judge this guy. Orton held the ball too long and Tebow made him an RT instead of an LT.

BroncoBuff
07-25-2012, 11:53 AM
Just checked the numbers, and Joe Thomas is on another level altogether. He's started every game and every Pro Bowl all five years, and made AP All-Pro in all but his rookie season.

Pro Bowls not the best way to rank guys, but Jake Long 4/4, Jason Peters 5/8, D'Brickashaw 3/6 ... seems like a different tier of player.

With just one Clady looks more like a Joe Staley.

lonestar
07-25-2012, 12:57 PM
He won't make it to FA next year. If they team is willing to offer 5/$50M they're definitely willing to franchise tag him at the end of the season.

5/$50M is a very fair offer. If Clady wants more make him prove it, at more than 5/$50M the downside of him never being '08/'09 Clady outweighs the savings if he returns to that form. At or below 5/$50M you can make a strong argument that you're saving money if he returns to career form.

Obviously Ryan is hoping to have his cake and eat it too, getting a deal like he's the elite LT he looked like early on without having played up to that level recently. We can give him that Joe Thomas deal just as easily next off-season if he earns it, or we can have him play another year on the bubble via the franchise tag.

give him the 50 mil and then build in incentives to get it where he THINKS it should be.. if he wants to be paid like one of the big boys let him earn it every game.. pretty simple IMO..

If he declines then franchise his ass while we draft or trade for his replacement..

Everyone thinks that OLT is the premier spot.. It used to be but with teh advent of 3-5 step drops and teh ball coming out fast it is no loner the money spot it used to be..

Do not get me wrong having an above average guy there will help matters, but tha past couple of years he has not been that above average guy we thought we were getting.. Now the maroock is wanting to be paid as the top guy.. Let him earn it..

lonestar
07-25-2012, 01:01 PM
oh yeah, I agree. I just think it's foolish for Broncos fans to think Clady can't go out and find a better deal. There are just enough teams every year willing to over spend on solid young players like Clady.

Sure he can, no one here is saying he can't find some fool to pay his price..

But he is foolish if he thinks that Elway is going to give him the money without him earning it.. his agent whispering in his ear is forgetting to tell him he has played average ball since his knee was repaired and that next year he is THE franchise tag guy.. While we get his repalcement for less money.. If a draftee about 30% of what he is asking..

bronco militia
07-25-2012, 01:03 PM
Sure he can, no one here is saying he can't find some fool to pay his price..

But he is foolish if he thinks that Elway is going to give him the money without him earning it.. his agent whispering in his ear is forgetting to tell him he has played average ball since his knee was repaired and that next year he is THE franchise tag guy.. While we get his repalcement for less money.. If a draftee about 30% of what he is asking..

since Shanahan drafted Clady, your opinion is moot Hilarious!

baja
07-25-2012, 01:08 PM
give him the 50 mil and then build in incentives to get it where he THINKS it should be.. if he wants to be paid like one of the big boys let him earn it every game.. pretty simple IMO..

If he declines then franchise his ass while we draft or trade for his replacement..

Everyone thinks that OLT is the premier spot.. It used to be but with teh advent of 3-5 step drops and teh ball coming out fast it is no loner the money spot it used to be..

Do not get me wrong having an above average guy there will help matters, but tha past couple of years he has not been that above average guy we thought we were getting.. Now the maroock is wanting to be paid as the top guy.. Let him earn it..

So it's not a 5 tool position?

lonestar
07-25-2012, 01:20 PM
since Shanahan drafted Clady, your opinion is moot Hilarious!

Along with maybe Al Wilson he was one of the DAFT choices in rounds one through 3 that were worth a crap.

But then so far only 6 of his 41 13% picks in those rounds were ever resigned by DEN before their rookie contracts expired..

Lets us all remember Tanahan used #54 to pick up a one-handed WR instead of one of the following.. talk about a monumental cluster ****

55 Jacksonville Jaguars Greg Jones RB Florida State
56 Cincinnati Bengals Madieu Williams FS Maryland
57 Tennessee Titans Antwan Odom DE Alabama
58 San Francisco 49ers Shawntae Spencer CB Pittsburgh
59 Cleveland Browns Sean Jones SAF Georgia
60 New Orleans Saints Courtney Watson MLB Notre Dame
61 Kansas City Chiefs Kris Wilson TE Pittsburgh
62 Carolina Panthers Keary Colbert WR USC
63 New England Patriots Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
2004 - Round 3
SEL # TEAM PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
64 Arizona Cardinals Darnell Dockett DT Florida State
65 San Diego Chargers Nate Kaeding K Iowa
66 San Diego Chargers Nick Hardwick C Purdue
67 Oakland Raiders Stuart Schweigert SAF Purdue
68 Indianapolis Colts Ben Hartsock TE Ohio State
69 Indianapolis Colts Gilbert Gardner LB Purdue
70 Green Bay Packers Joey Thomas CB Montana State
71 Tennessee Titans Randy Starks DT Maryland
72 Green Bay Packers Donnell Washington DT Clemson
73 Detroit Lions Keith Smith CB McNeese State
74 Buffalo Bills Tim Anderson DT Ohio State
75 Pittsburgh Steelers Max Starks T Florida

 

Many of which are still playing a high rate vs Watts with 33 receptions and one TD..

Anyone stupid enough to DAFT a one-handed WR should have been taken out and shot right after the DAFT pick was announced..

lonestar
07-25-2012, 01:23 PM
Just checked the numbers, and Joe Thomas is on another level altogether. He's started every game and every Pro Bowl all five years, and made AP All-Pro in all but his rookie season.

Pro Bowls not the best way to rank guys, but Jake Long 4/4, Jason Peters 5/8, D'Brickashaw 3/6 ... seems like a different tier of player.

With just one Clady looks more like a Joe Staley.

Whoa there Pard you be thinkin again.. That is not allowed here on the OM.. Where the madden and FF crowd rule the roost.. Emos rule..

Many posters that have never caught a ball other than when their daddies or mommies tossed it to them.

Raider9175
07-25-2012, 08:08 PM
Also, this year is going to be the first year he will really be recovered from his injury. We might see a whole different Clady this year.

YEa and you might see Peyton manning in his prime next season, despite being 36 years old, 4 neck surgeries, didn't play at all in 2011, and with garbage playing with him. It the off season so your allowed to dream big.

baja
07-25-2012, 08:23 PM
YEa and you might see Peyton manning in his prime next season, despite being 36 years old, 4 neck surgeries, didn't play at all in 2011, and with garbage playing with him. It the off season so your allowed to dream big.

Yup keep thinking that.

RhymesayersDU
07-25-2012, 08:37 PM
Whoa there Pard you be thinkin again.. That is not allowed here on the OM.. Where the madden and FF crowd rule the roost.. Emos rule..

Many posters that have never caught a ball other than when their daddies or mommies tossed it to them.

Well we can't play with balls daily like you.

lonestar
07-25-2012, 08:54 PM
Well we can't play with balls daily like you.

I'm sure you meant something there, but what?

Agamemnon
07-25-2012, 10:28 PM
Well we can't play with balls daily like you.

You don't have balls to play with?

DivineLegion
07-25-2012, 10:54 PM
I'm sure you meant something there, but what?

I think he meant playing with other men's balls, sort of like Agamemnon and his affinity for Tim Tebows balls.

broncocalijohn
07-26-2012, 12:49 AM
I think he meant playing with other men's balls, sort of like Agamemnon and his affinity for Tim Tebows balls.

I asked Agamemnon last season what was his favorite glasses to wear and he stated proudly, "Tim Tebow Nut Sack" . Affectionately, for Aga, the brand called "Tebow Teabags".

cutthemdown
07-26-2012, 01:13 AM
Surprised Clady didn't jump on that offer. Is there not enough uprfront money or what? You would think 10 mil a yr a nice payday.

lonestar
07-26-2012, 09:56 AM
Surprised Clady didn't jump on that offer. Is there not enough uprfront money or what? You would think 10 mil a yr a nice payday.

once again there you go thinking again.. Not sure that clady is..

Beantown Bronco
07-26-2012, 11:44 AM
It is hard to judge this guy. Orton held the ball too long and Tebow made him an RT instead of an LT.

Huh? He had probably the best year of his career with Orton.

lonestar
07-26-2012, 04:59 PM
Huh? He had probably the best year of his career with Orton.

pretty sure his best year was his rookie year..

Agamemnon
07-26-2012, 06:58 PM
I never cease to find it amusing how much some people like to talk about Tebow's balls...

Bacchus
07-26-2012, 08:22 PM
I never cease to find it amusing how much some people like to talk about Tebow's balls...

The only refeance to Tebow's balls are the fact they are always bouncing on your chin.

Agamemnon
07-27-2012, 07:59 AM
The only refeance to Tebow's balls are the fact they are always bouncing on your chin.

Is English not your first language or something?

BroncoInferno
07-27-2012, 08:02 AM
pretty sure his best year was his rookie year..

Clady was 2nd team All-Pro as a rookie, 1st team All-Pro in his second year. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean he performed better than his rookie campaign, but his performance was at worst comparable.

Bacchus
07-27-2012, 10:29 AM
Is English not your first language or something?

typo, smack.

BroncoBen
07-27-2012, 10:46 AM
Surprised Clady didn't jump on that offer. Is there not enough uprfront money or what? You would think 10 mil a yr a nice payday.

Clady and his agent want Joe Thomas money.

The issue is with the guaranteed money.. LT Joe Thomas with the Browns guarantee is around $38.5 million. The Broncos are putting on the table $28 million.

The $10 million annual average salary is not an issue, this is in the range for the top 5 Tackles in the NFL.

Stuck in Cali
07-30-2012, 06:21 PM
Just saw on NFL Network that talks are on hold till the end of the season.

oubronco
07-30-2012, 06:26 PM
Just saw on NFL Network that talks are on hold till the end of the season.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21193915/broncos-ryan-clady-break-off-contract-talks

Stuck in Cali
07-30-2012, 06:31 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21193915/broncos-ryan-clady-break-off-contract-talks

Just saw that, sorry

Bacchus
07-30-2012, 07:10 PM
Well, Clady will be motivated. I'm sure he will have a great year hopfully they can get him signed after the season.

baja
07-30-2012, 07:18 PM
He would be a fool to leave Denver with Manning here for a few million extra dollars. Not to mention a ring. ;D

broncogary
07-30-2012, 07:30 PM
He would be a fool to leave Denver with Manning here for a few million extra dollars. Not to mention a ring. ;D

Yep, I heard you can sell those rings on ebay. :wave:

lonestar
07-30-2012, 07:42 PM
He would be a fool to leave Denver with Manning here for a few million extra dollars. Not to mention a ring. ;D

matters not becasue odds are he will be broke or a mental midget 5 eyars after retireing..

IMO losing him would be a loss, but having 50mil to spend will be better..

OLT are not as needed as they were 5 years ago.. a lot less 7 step drops now, a lot more get the ball out fast passing..

a nice to have, but not a HAVE to have..

baja
07-30-2012, 08:00 PM
matters not becasue odds are he will be broke or a mental midget 5 eyars after retireing..

IMO losing him would be a loss, but having 50mil to spend will be better..

OLT are not as needed as they were 5 years ago.. a lot less 7 step drops now, a lot more get the ball out fast passing..

a nice to have, but not a HAVE to have..

Sometimes I like to bet on silly things. So I offer to bet you Clady will sign with the Broncos before the start of the 2013 season.

lonestar
07-30-2012, 08:13 PM
Sometimes I like to bet on silly things. So I offer to bet you Clady will sign with the Broncos before the start of the 2013 season.

I'll pass. since I only bet on sure things..

baja
07-30-2012, 08:31 PM
Not even for an Oscar Myer Weenier

bronco militia
10-17-2012, 07:06 PM
While Justice has the top rating there’s always more interest in left tackles, so who leads the way there? Well, step forward Ryan Clady who is picking the right time to produce his best form with his contract coming up. He’s building himself a case for Joe Thomas-type money with the Cleveland Brown left tackle just behind him in the third spot.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/17/snapshot-pbe-offensive-tackles/

gyldenlove
10-17-2012, 07:21 PM
While Justice has the top rating there’s always more interest in left tackles, so who leads the way there? Well, step forward Ryan Clady who is picking the right time to produce his best form with his contract coming up. He’s building himself a case for Joe Thomas-type money with the Cleveland Brown left tackle just behind him in the third spot.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/17/snapshot-pbe-offensive-tackles/

Not very surprised by this, Manning is amazing at avoiding pressure and changing the protection and play. Clady is also best when he knows where his QB is (in the pocket) and Manning is the definition of a pocket QB, he does a lot of sliding and moving in the pocket but he almost always stays between his blockers.

The Joker
10-17-2012, 07:22 PM
Was always a strong possibility with Manning at QB instead of Orton or Tebow.

We'll find a way to keep him, no doubt in my mind about that. We've invested a lot in Manning, if he stays healthy there's a 3 or 4 year window for us to win a Lombardi. No way we let the starting LT walk.

I just hope it doesn't handicap us too much in terms of pursuing other players who could improve the team.

bap454
10-17-2012, 07:49 PM
How about #15?... thats a little surprising. He has been playing well. So the question begs... " Is this more a product of Mannings quick release and masterfull execution to avoid/ counter the blitz? He is the Sheriff and all.

bronco militia
10-17-2012, 08:13 PM
baring injury, clady made the right move

Irish Stout
10-17-2012, 08:23 PM
Our Oline is not quite where it needs to be, but Clady is a major cog in keeping it going.

Br0nc0Buster
10-17-2012, 08:39 PM
PFF is a joke

Clady was not bad last year

We need to try and lock him up though

He has been a rock for us

Al Wilson
10-17-2012, 08:43 PM
Clady's been awesome this season. Franklin has made huge strides as well. Same goes to Beadles.

SoCalBronco
10-17-2012, 09:13 PM
baring injury, clady made the right move

Yep, they are going to have to pony up more than 50m. Looks like he made the right call.

baja
10-17-2012, 09:13 PM
baring injury, clady made the right move

Yes he did he will definitely get Joe Thomas money now.

Play2win
10-17-2012, 09:42 PM
Its just that, he's finally really healed from that injury he got.

Hamrob
10-17-2012, 09:44 PM
Clady is worth more...not a lot more....but more.

If we had to play without him....then, you would see just how much he is worth.

I'd offer him $11m for 10yrs and $33m guarenteed and call it a deal!

Tombstone RJ
10-17-2012, 09:46 PM
it was a calculated move on Clady's part and it appears to be working. We all knew that Manning would make him look like a true blue chip franchise LT. If he stays healthy all year he looks to be in real good shape for his big money contract.

NUB
10-17-2012, 09:50 PM
The thing is, if Clady is 100% healthy he is the legit real deal. Before his injury the guy was stonewalling everybody. Even with the nags of a past injury he still in league with the best tackles in the game. That kind of talent is worth keeping.

Tombstone RJ
10-17-2012, 09:54 PM
The thing is, if Clady is 100% healthy he is the legit real deal. Before his injury the guy was stonewalling everybody. Even with the nags of a past injury he still in league with the best tackles in the game. That kind of talent is worth keeping.

He's been pretty average since the injury but he was also working with unconventional QBs like Tebow and well, subpar talent like Orton. Fact is, the Manning effect is helping him, along with all the other guys on the oline.

Bacchus
10-17-2012, 10:40 PM
While Justice has the top rating there’s always more interest in left tackles, so who leads the way there? Well, step forward Ryan Clady who is picking the right time to produce his best form with his contract coming up. He’s building himself a case for Joe Thomas-type money with the Cleveland Brown left tackle just behind him in the third spot.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/17/snapshot-pbe-offensive-tackles/

I was saying all summer to sign Clady or they will pay through the nose later. Of course no one listened!

BMarsh615
10-18-2012, 12:47 AM
Clady is worth more...not a lot more....but more.

If we had to play without him....then, you would see just how much he is worth.

I'd offer him $11m for 10yrs and $33m guarenteed and call it a deal!

I agree. Just pay him. Denver won't be able to replace a guy like Clady next year, hell it could take 5+ years to get a LT like him again.

cutthemdown
10-18-2012, 03:38 AM
If Clady won't sign Broncos can tag him.

broncocalijohn
10-18-2012, 09:17 AM
If Clady won't sign Broncos can tag him.

what good does that do if you want him for a long period of time? Best to give him what he is worth and get a long 5+ year contract out of him.

Kaylore
10-18-2012, 09:34 AM
what good does that do if you want him for a long period of time? Best to give him what he is worth and get a long 5+ year contract out of him.

Tag him through the draft. Get a LT. Trade him for a linebacker. Boom.

lonestar
10-18-2012, 10:09 AM
Tag him through the draft. Get a LT. Trade him for a linebacker. Boom.

Thats how I see it..

While he was a great rookie IMO not that special since..

IIRC led the league in holding calls last year when he did not allow the sack..

Now maybe he is completely healed up..

But I also read somewhere credible that OLT are not the end all in today's NFL like they were 10 years ago..

With the fast pace of the passing game the ball comes out quicker than before and therefore lots less need for billions spent on the OLT..

Tag him for the year draft or bring in a young one to learn the spot and let him go after the kiddie has it down..

OR offer him an incentive based contract with letting him earn those big bucks.. I think we all know he wants a huge contract, but no more than what we offered him already..

Tim
10-18-2012, 10:41 AM
It would suck to use a 1st on a LT, hopefully they come to an agreement

TheReverend
10-18-2012, 10:42 AM
Tag him through the draft. Get a LT. Trade him for a linebacker. Boom.

Down for this.

On a totally UNRELATED note: You guys remember when Togy Ugoh looked like the best tackle in the league? ;)

gyldenlove
10-18-2012, 10:50 AM
Tag him through the draft. Get a LT. Trade him for a linebacker. Boom.

Why not just tag him and draft a LB?

broncosteven
10-18-2012, 11:05 AM
I say pay him and not have to worry about LT for another 4-5 years. Why try to find another guy who is just as good or better when you know what you have.

Just look at Chris Williams, we could end up busting on an LT and have OL issues for PM's last couple years. Is that what you guys want?

We may have to move way up to get a top shelf MLB though.

Bacchus
10-18-2012, 03:50 PM
Tag him through the draft. Get a LT. Trade him for a linebacker. Boom.

So you are going to get rid of your first round Pro Bowl OT for a LBer than your going to draft an unproven rookie OT to protect Manning's blind side???

Why don't you just pay Clady and then draft a LBer in the first round???

Bacchus
10-18-2012, 03:53 PM
What if the team tags Clady and then Clady refuses to show up and holds out? This goes into the season and now Clady is holding out and Who does Denver have playing at LT? I made this same case this summer when I insisted Denver extend Clady.

He has been a great Pro and a good on and off field leader. Reward him and lets not worry about LT for the next 5 or 6 years.

cutthemdown
10-18-2012, 03:55 PM
what good does that do if you want him for a long period of time? Best to give him what he is worth and get a long 5+ year contract out of him.

Still you tag him, then make the deal. I doubt Broncos sign him quick enough to not tag him. But I am all for a 4-5 yr deal, whatever. Just saying no way he walks, the Broncos would tag him if he wanted too much money.

cutthemdown
10-18-2012, 03:56 PM
Tag him through the draft. Get a LT. Trade him for a linebacker. Boom.

That sucks!

Signed Clady's Dad!

TheReverend
10-18-2012, 04:00 PM
That sucks!

Signed Clady's Dad!

Dude, get over it...

Lestat
10-18-2012, 04:16 PM
tag him, sign him to a deal and then draft a MLB(no, not just a LB, a MLB)
makes no sense to let him walk and have to replace him with another player who won't play as good unless there is a injury concern that makes the guy slip to us.

DT,DE or MLB needs to be the first round pick next year. get a C later on as well.

cutthemdown
10-18-2012, 04:18 PM
Dude, get over it...

LOL its just a joke lighten up there is nothing to get over. I am just having fun like I always do.

Are you saying you never make a couple jokes here and there? All i did was make the same joke twice. Like that never happens on the Mane.

*WARHORSE*
10-18-2012, 04:32 PM
Trade him to Jacksonville now for MJD, a first and a second.

With Peyton Manning, your LT only needs to pass block for 2 seconds 8 out of 10 passes.

TheReverend
10-18-2012, 04:32 PM
LOL its just a joke lighten up there is nothing to get over. I am just having fun like I always do.

Are you saying you never make a couple jokes here and there? All i did was make the same joke twice. Like that never happens on the Mane.

Yes, I never make a joke anywhere.

Action
10-18-2012, 04:44 PM
With Elway here, he's putting a huge emphasis on homegrown players...

He's not being traded.

Bacchus
10-18-2012, 04:45 PM
Trade him to Jacksonville now for MJD, a first and a second.

With Peyton Manning, your LT only needs to pass block for 2 seconds 8 out of 10 passes.

8 out of 10 huh? On the other two passes Manning gets creamed.

lonestar
10-18-2012, 10:22 PM
It would suck to use a 1st on a LT, hopefully they come to an agreement

we did on him.. what is the problem? if he is going to break the bank on a position that is not as highly thought of over the past 4-5 years..

Might not even need a first rounder..

I'm going to let John E do the heavy lifting on this one.. but I'd be surprised if the give him the ridiculous numbers some here have mentioned..

lonestar
10-18-2012, 10:24 PM
So you are going to get rid of your first round Pro Bowl OT for a LBer than your going to draft an unproven rookie OT to protect Manning's blind side???

Why don't you just pay Clady and then draft a LBer in the first round???

It is just so easy spending someone else's money for you liberals isn't it..

Never met a budget you had to keep Eh?

Bacchus
10-19-2012, 12:56 AM
It is just so easy spending someone else's money for you liberals isn't it..

Never met a budget you had to keep Eh?

that's helpful to the conversation here.

ZONA
10-19-2012, 01:00 AM
Surprised Clady's side is still holding out for more. Value of having a great left tackle isn't as strong as it used to be. There was an article where Gary Zimmerman was saying with 3 & 5 step drops becoming so popular, it makes it much easier for the left tackle to protect the QB. 7 step drops is where elite LT made their money.

Not only that, you see what they get away with these days. They practically neck strangle the quicker outside rushers and holding is almost never called. I'm not saying having a good LT is not a huge bonus to have because it is, but it's not like it was 10 years ago.

I think the 2 sides will work something out. Broncos might go up a tad but I doubt much more.

Mile High 81
10-19-2012, 01:01 AM
What if the team tags Clady and then Clady refuses to show up and holds out? This goes into the season and now Clady is holding out and Who does Denver have playing at LT? I made this same case this summer when I insisted Denver extend Clady.

He has been a great Pro and a good on and off field leader. Reward him and lets not worry about LT for the next 5 or 6 years.

+ We are in the Win Now Mode next year. Peyton ist not getting younger. You can not afford to loose your LT, when you pay your QB 18 Millions a year to get you the ring.