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Bronco Rob
07-20-2012, 11:10 AM
Sounds like there will be a commitment to running the ball in Denver, but are there enough options? Time will tell. If the Broncos can put together a sufficient ground game, Manning will be in position to lead the team to its goal.

That's exactly what Elway communicated to his new quarterback this offseason.

"One guy doesn't win a world championship for you, even though he gives you a hell of a chance to be able to compete," Elway said. "As I told (Manning), my job is to get the best quality people around him, the best coaches to give us the opportunity to win a world championship. It's fun to be able to put that puzzle together, but there are so many different pieces to put in a team that has the ability to win a world championship."




http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82ab1438/article/john-elway-knows-broncos-need-more-than-peyton-manning?module=HP11_content_stream

R-Mac
07-20-2012, 11:25 AM
"my job is to get the best quality people around him"

That's why so many people have doubts about the Broncos' draft.

pricejj
07-20-2012, 11:28 AM
Hey Bronco Rob, I just want to say, great job on posting just a small snippet from the article, with a link, and your own analysis.

I was hard on you before, and you've come a long way. Good job :sunshine:

Rabb
07-20-2012, 11:29 AM
"my job is to get the best quality people around him"

That's why so many people have doubts about the Broncos' draft.

what?

Jay3
07-20-2012, 11:48 AM
Elway is right. I think this team has serious roster upgrade needs in order to contend for a Super Bowl.

oubronco
07-20-2012, 12:38 PM
Anybody that thinks Elway isn't doing a good job is a fugging retard

Cmac821
07-20-2012, 12:41 PM
I think John is talking from experience when he says Manning can't do it on his own

BroncoMan4ever
07-20-2012, 12:42 PM
On the idea if help, I know he played for an enemy and is coming iff injury but I don't think it would hurt to take a look at Luis Castillo

Rabb
07-20-2012, 12:52 PM
On the idea if help, I know he played for an enemy and is coming iff injury but I don't think it would hurt to take a look at Luis Castillo

I just don't see how this would help us at this point, dude was cut twice now by SD

BroncoMan4ever
07-20-2012, 01:17 PM
I just don't see how this would help us at this point, dude was cut twice now by SD

I'm not saying give him a mega deal. A camp invite type of thing. Nothing wrong with kicking the tires on a guy who once played at a pretty high level

Rabb
07-20-2012, 01:23 PM
Oh I hear what you're saying for sure, I just don't see what he would bring. I would argue about the high level part though, as a former 1st rounder he has 19 sacks in 6 years and has played one season where he started all 16 games. He had decent 1st and 2nd years, I am just not sure it's even worth the camp fodder.

Then again, the "we neeeeeed moooooooaaaaaarrrr DEEEE TEEEESSSS" gang will probably rape my soul shortly also.

RaiderH8r
07-20-2012, 04:29 PM
Osweiler is clearly the answer. Wank.

DBroncos4life
07-20-2012, 05:07 PM
Can you spot the Tebow nut huggers in this thread? Hilarious!

orinjkrush
07-20-2012, 05:28 PM
john knows better than anyone of us what is needed. but whether he knows enough is still questionable. our last draft was ....um.....um....."special".

if we do that again, then its back to the drawing board. but i think fixing the scouting problem will correct that.

driver
07-20-2012, 07:01 PM
john knows better than anyone of us what is needed. but whether he knows enough is still questionable. our last draft was ....um.....um....."special".

if we do that again, then its back to the drawing board. but i think fixing the scouting problem will correct that.

I think Elway took care of that problem when he canned the X factor back in May. N o more reaches for 2rnd rb's w/ the 12th pick,or jeremy Jarmon's in trade for a decent wr. Hopefully that type of BS is now a thing of the past.

Agamemnon
07-20-2012, 07:17 PM
"my job is to get the best quality people around him"

Like Brock Osweiler... ::)

errand
07-20-2012, 08:38 PM
"my job is to get the best quality people around him"

That's why so many people have doubts about the Broncos' draft.

Here's thought...let's see how they play before you question whether they should have been selected....

errand
07-20-2012, 08:44 PM
Funny how Elway was an idiot that didn't know anything about running a team when he signed Manning, and traded Tebow, ....now he knows what he's doing cuz he said Broncos need more than Manning...

RaiderH8r
07-20-2012, 08:59 PM
Funny how some of us knew one player isn't the answer but here we sit. The good news now is that PM is taking us deep into the playoffs this year. Sweet.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
07-20-2012, 09:17 PM
"my job is to get the best quality people around him"

Like Brock Osweiler... ::)

Really?!?

spdirty
07-20-2012, 09:30 PM
Elway has brought us a long way since the day he took the job. At this point he is above criticism from me. Can't wait for the season to start.

Jay3
07-20-2012, 09:43 PM
Funny how Elway was an idiot that didn't know anything about running a team when he signed Manning, and traded Tebow, ....now he knows what he's doing cuz he said Broncos need more than Manning...

If I didn't know better, I'd think you had an inability to reason.

See, sometimes you agree with someone, sometimes you don't. It's poor reasoning to suggest that someone, anyone, must be right in every decision or draft pick.

NFLBRONCO
07-20-2012, 10:20 PM
"my job is to get the best quality people around him"

Like Brock Osweiler... ::)

I don't like this pick. I thought we were in win now mode. This pick told me FO is playing for 2013 and beyond SB run. In 2012 it's a trial run.

errand
07-20-2012, 10:22 PM
Funny how some of us knew one player isn't the answer but here we sit. The good news now is that PM is taking us deep into the playoffs this year. Sweet.

Well you said he'd never sign here too....

RaiderH8r
07-20-2012, 10:32 PM
Well you said he'd never sign here too....

I was wrong. Winning 2 titles in 3 years is going to take the sting right off of that.

errand
07-20-2012, 10:36 PM
I don't like this pick. I thought we were in win now mode. This pick told me FO is playing for 2013 and beyond SB run. In 2012 is trial run.

We're probably in a win now mode...and we should be in EVERY season. I agree we probably have a more realistic shot at title next season than this one...but we should be in "win now" mode every season

errand
07-20-2012, 10:38 PM
I was wrong. Winning 2 titles in 3 years is going to take the sting right off of that.

Hopefully we will win 2 over the next 3 seasons....but I wouldn't be surprised if we won it this year either

RaiderH8r
07-20-2012, 10:44 PM
Hopefully we will win 2 over the next 3 seasons....but I wouldn't be surprised if we won it this year either

Yes, the next 3 seasons. Manning leaves without a thistle and it is the failszorz.

errand
07-20-2012, 10:50 PM
Yes, the next 3 seasons. Manning leaves without a thistle and it is the failszorz.

Well we've failed every year since Elway retired.....unless winning the SB isn't our goal every year. I thought it was....

lonestar
07-20-2012, 11:36 PM
here we go again reading way to much into a quote from the Duke..

Not sure how anyone can read anything but:


HE knows just a QB can't win it all by himself..

He knows that funds are not unlimited.

He knows that having 7 DC in & years is not the way to build a D.

He knows just how far into the ground this team has been driven since he retired..

He also knows that Rome was not built-in a year..

that while the PM signing was huge there is more to winning than just a QB..

Just so many holes can be filled each year..

IMO he has done a good job so far in trying to rebuild this franchise..

DBroncos4life
07-20-2012, 11:54 PM
Well we've failed every year since Elway retired.....unless winning the SB isn't our goal every year. I thought it was....

Its only important now that we traded the trolls punt protector away.

Drek
07-21-2012, 06:45 AM
I'd agree with Elway's sentiment that Manning can't win it alone, but then it's Elway's job to get everything else needed to win in short order.

What I'm hoping his priority list going forward looks like is this:

2012 - This season we need conclusive answers on four key units. OL, DL, RB, LB. We need to know if Clady will ever be an elite LT again, if Franklin can stick at RT, and if Beadles and/or Walton can be acceptable starters. We need to know if Wolfe can impact the passing game, if Doom needs to become a specialist, and if Ayers will be anything more than a solid role player. We need to know if Moreno, Hillman, or Fannin can be a game changing back in this new offense. We need to know if we have any worthwhile internal options at WOLB and MLB.

In 2013 we need to fix any of those positions that are answered in the negative and begin the groundwork for a post-Champ Bailey secondary. That probably means a very highly drafted CB, unless Carter or Porter breaks out and the later would require a big deal to keep.

In 2014 the FO needs to have made an up or down decision on Osweiler as Manning's replacement. If they aren't 100% sure that he is they need to start vetting other options.

That's the basic road map to the future, with additions and subtractions for anyone lost to injury/unexpected decline and surprise breakouts, respectively. By 2013 we should have a roster that we doesn't have any glaring holes in the first string units. That means we're a double digit win, deep playoff push team from then until Manning retires, which then makes a post-Manning reality the FO's biggest priority. This team has sold out for the quick fix that is Peyton Manning, but that window should be open long enough to give them time to have a quality backup plan in place the minute Manning is done.

RaiderH8r
07-21-2012, 08:29 AM
Well we've failed every year since Elway retired.....unless winning the SB isn't our goal every year. I thought it was....

History is not on Elway's side with this move. I would have preferred upgrading everything on the team and passing on PM but that boat has sailed. They went for the Shanny FA grab on steroids which is fine but this is a win now move so they better damn well win right now.

The FO got rid of the worst QB ever to disgrace the game and the playoffs...certainly the worst ever to beat Lebeau and the Steelers...and got the best QB ever. I doing so they stopped everything pending PM's signing. Then they took that win now approach into the draft and upgraded a weak interior DL by drafting Derek Wolfe and Osweiler? Frigging Osweiler. Solid. The fact we not only need talent but depth at lb caught everyone by surprise. Nobody could have seen DJ's suspension coming or seen the idiot cannonball's whiffed tackles so this oversight is totally understandable.

RaiderH8r
07-21-2012, 08:30 AM
Its only important now that we traded the trolls punt protector away.

It's all better now that we have the golden boy.

Anybody who says last season wasn't one of the most entertaining and thrilling seasons in Broncos history is off their meds.

Hamrob
07-21-2012, 09:07 AM
Manning played 13 years with the Colts and went to what....2 Super Bowls, winning 1.

I'm not sure why anyone would think he's going to take us to 2 out of the next 3.

That's not likely to happen.

We have way too many holes to patch in my opinion.

RaiderH8r
07-21-2012, 11:44 AM
Manning played 13 years with the Colts and went to what....2 Super Bowls, winning 1.

I'm not sure why anyone would think he's going to take us to 2 out of the next 3.

That's not likely to happen.

We have way too many holes to patch in my opinion.

I agree we have holes but that was secondary to getting the end all, be all QB under center so clearly a guy in the twilight of his career wins us titles now because building through youth and draft was not a priority. Like I said, Shanny's problem was chasing FAs with trucks of money. Well, this single move blows all of those out of the water.

oubronco
07-21-2012, 12:40 PM
Everybody knows that one player wasn't going to fix everything but when you can get a HOF QB to replace an below average QB you do it and then fill in the blanks

And that is exactly what he's doing just give it time

oubronco
07-21-2012, 03:37 PM
Elway says Manning ready to rid rust

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/45770/video-elway-says-manning-ready-to-rid-rust

oubronco
07-21-2012, 03:42 PM
John Elway stresses balance for Broncos offense

In an interview with Ian Rapoport of NFL.com, Elway stressed the need for the Broncos to be a balanced offense even though they have one of the NFL’s best quarterbacks. Elway called it the key to winning the Super Bowl and used his own experience as a player to back that up (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82ab1438/article/john-elway-knows-broncos-need-more-than-peyton-manning?module=HP11_content_stream).

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/20/john-elway-stresses-balance-for-broncos-offense/

broncosteven
07-21-2012, 04:53 PM
I don't like this pick. I thought we were in win now mode. This pick told me FO is playing for 2013 and beyond SB run. In 2012 it's a trial run.

Personally I thought this pick screamed of "we have a backup option should PM not be healthy or have setbacks".

If Manning has any health issues it would be best to move on with a young QBOTF rather than hope Haine turns into Earl Morrall.

I liked the Osweiler pick, they have time to groom him, PM is likely only playing for another 4 years tops if he is 100% and more realisticly closer to 2-3 years.

At some point we are going to need to use a high pick on a QB or end up going through others trash like KFC has trying to find the next great Brady or Montana

lonestar
07-21-2012, 05:26 PM
It's all better now that we have the golden boy.

Anybody who says last season wasn't one of the most entertaining and thrilling seasons in Broncos history is off their meds.

I agree completely..

the only others would be atheists and plain haters..

Tebow was fun to watch and the est of the team was inspired with his play.. He helped raise all the boats also..

Almost everyone forgets he was not drafted to be an immediate starter EVERYONE with half a brain said he needed 3-4 years to grow into the position..

Time will tell if he makes it big in the NFL, if he does not he is still a very rich man.. It will not be like he did not try unlike the J russels and R leafs of the world..

lonestar
07-21-2012, 05:29 PM
Personally I thought this pick screamed of "we have a backup option should PM not be healthy or have setbacks".

If Manning has any health issues it would be best to move on with a young QBOTF rather than hope Haine turns into Earl Morrall.

I liked the Osweiler pick, they have time to groom him, PM is likely only playing for another 4 years tops if he is 100% and more realisticly closer to 2-3 years.

At some point we are going to need to use a high pick on a QB or end up going through others trash like KFC has trying to find the next great Brady or Montana


If we used a top ten pick on the kid then I could see folks whining about it..

sure we could have taken someone else.. But then Tanahan could have taken loads of talent over the flops he did over those 14 years of DAFTS.. Not sure of these same mopes were whining back then or not..

RaiderH8r
07-21-2012, 06:09 PM
Time is something PM doesn't have.

broncosteven
07-21-2012, 07:11 PM
If we used a top ten pick on the kid then I could see folks whining about it..

sure we could have taken someone else.. But then Tanahan could have taken loads of talent over the flops he did over those 14 years of DAFTS.. Not sure of these same mopes were whining back then or not..

Yes people have been bitching about Shanny's drafts back in the day. The 2nd division of the board I am aware of was the Cutler pick after Plummer managed to have a good year in 2005. As it came to pass Plummer was impacted by the death of his friend Pat Tillman and didn't care to show up to the offseason workouts and be a leader. He forced Shanny to use a pick on Cutler then managed to have a poor start to 2006 which ended up in his benching.

The think I forgive Shanny about is he was trying to find impact players in the later rounds of the draft every year for 10 years. The year he did manage to move up the board he landed Cutler who may be a wet towel as a person but can play on the gridiron at a high level.

Jay3
07-21-2012, 09:00 PM
Personally I thought this pick screamed of "we have a backup option should PM not be healthy or have setbacks".

If Manning has any health issues it would be best to move on with a young QBOTF rather than hope Haine turns into Earl Morrall.

I liked the Osweiler pick, they have time to groom him, PM is likely only playing for another 4 years tops if he is 100% and more realisticly closer to 2-3 years.

At some point we are going to need to use a high pick on a QB or end up going through others trash like KFC has trying to find the next great Brady or Montana

All the more reason to hang onto Tebow, let him work on mechanics and help out on the goal line, and use the Big O pick on a "win now and help Peyton" player.

lonestar
07-21-2012, 09:52 PM
Yes people have been b****ing about Shanny's drafts back in the day. The 2nd division of the board I am aware of was the Cutler pick after Plummer managed to have a good year in 2005. As it came to pass Plummer was impacted by the death of his friend Pat Tillman and didn't care to show up to the offseason workouts and be a leader. He forced Shanny to use a pick on Cutler then managed to have a poor start to 2006 which ended up in his benching.

The think I forgive Shanny about is he was trying to find impact players in the later rounds of the draft every year for 10 years. The year he did manage to move up the board he landed Cutler who may be a wet towel as a person but can play on the gridiron at a high level.

Not sure if your aware of Tanahans DAFTS but over the total sum of his rounds 1-3 picks he just managed to resign 6 of 41.. 13% of the players the really good teams build their team with those are the foundation of almost every team in the league..

LB's Al Wislon, John Mobley and DJ, Griese, Neil and Pryce.. that is all of his resigning during their rookie contracts..

Really pathetic IMO..

As for Jake he studied all off-season with Kubes, going over every play since Jake hit the NFL before the season we played PIT in the AFCCG.

He was on pace to set a record for passes between picks was just a game away from setting an NFL record.. He had his best year ever that year and then we got our ass kicked by the steelers and many blamed Jake for the loss.. I think most everyone on that team could take a huge chunck of responisblilty for that game loss.

But then many hated Jake for unknown reasons.. IIRC he holds the all time winningest % of any QB in Broncos history..
BTW When Kubes left he lost his mentor and they changed the playbook to play drop back in the pocket style something that anyone with a brain knew the OL was not designed to handle.. They drafted cutler and the rest is history.. Jake was smart enough to know that with the change in style and Tanahan moving up in the draft he was gone from DEN..

JAke made a comment during his first years in DEN saying that when he was in College "he never thought anyone would draft him and was glad for any playing time he got imagine getting PAID big money to play a game" or words to that effect..


Jake was smart and invested his money and every time Tanahan screwed the pooch on the cap he was first in line to redo his contract getting that money up front and into the bank..

While everyone was driving expensive cars and wearing bling, Jake drove a Cheap assed Honda and dressed in t-shirts.. Maybe that is part of the reason people hated him.. He did not care what people thought he just liked playing football..

lonestar
07-21-2012, 10:01 PM
All the more reason to hang onto Tebow, let him work on mechanics and help out on the goal line, and use the Big O pick on a "win now and help Peyton" player.

ok which one of these players would have been the guy that comes in and contributes RIGHT now and allows us to go to the super bowl this year..


58 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Lavonte David LB Nebraska
59 Philadelphia Eagles Vinny Curry DE Marshall
60 Baltimore Ravens Kelechi Osemele T Iowa State
61 San Francisco 49ers LaMichael James RB Oregon
62 Green Bay Packers Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt
63 New York Giants Rueben Randle WR LSU
2012 - Round 3
SEL # TEAM PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
64 Indianapolis Colts Dwayne Allen TE Clemson
65 St. Louis Rams Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
66 Minnesota Vikings Josh Robinson CB Central Florida
67 Denver Broncos Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego State
68 Houston Texans DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
69 Buffalo Bills T.J. Graham WR North Carolina State
70 Jacksonville Jaguars Bryan Anger P California
71 Washington Redskins Josh Leribeus G Southern Methodist
72 Miami Dolphins Olivier Vernon DE Miami (Fla.)
73 San Diego Chargers Brandon Taylor SS LSU
74 Kansas City Chiefs Donald Stephenson T Oklahoma
75 Seattle Seahawks Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin
76 Houston Texans Brandon Brooks G Miami (Ohio)
77 New York Jets Demario Davis LB Arkansas State
78 Miami Dolphins Michael Egnew TE Missouri
79 Chicago Bears Brandon Hardin FS Oregon State
80 Arizona Cardinals Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma
81 Dallas Cowboys Tyrone Crawford DE Boise State
82 Tennessee Titans Mike Martin DT Michigan
83 Cincinnati Bengals Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
84 Baltimore Ravens Bernard Pierce RB Temple
85 Detroit Lions Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette
86 Pittsburgh Steelers Sean Spence LB Miami (Fla.)
87 Cleveland Browns John Hughes DT Cincinnati
88 Philadelphia Eagles Nick Foles QB Arizona
89 New Orleans Saints Akiem Hicks DT Regina (Canada)
90 New England Patriots Jake Bequette DE Arkansas
91 Atlanta Falcons Lamar Holmes T Southern Mississippi
92 Indianapolis Colts T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International
93 Cincinnati Bengals Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
94 New York Giants Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech
95 Oakland Raiders Tony Bergstrom G Utah

after the first round come in and make a difference folks are few and far between.. after 50 even more so..

which one of these guys would have been a starter on this team..

someone who would fit into our schemes and made a difference.

I doubt that you will find one of those on that list..

KCStud
07-21-2012, 11:40 PM
ok which one of these players would have been the guy that comes in and contributes RIGHT now and allows us to go to the super bowl this year..


58 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Lavonte David LB Nebraska
59 Philadelphia Eagles Vinny Curry DE Marshall
60 Baltimore Ravens Kelechi Osemele T Iowa State
61 San Francisco 49ers LaMichael James RB Oregon
62 Green Bay Packers Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt
63 New York Giants Rueben Randle WR LSU
2012 - Round 3
SEL # TEAM PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
64 Indianapolis Colts Dwayne Allen TE Clemson
65 St. Louis Rams Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
66 Minnesota Vikings Josh Robinson CB Central Florida
67 Denver Broncos Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego State
68 Houston Texans DeVier Posey WR Ohio State
69 Buffalo Bills T.J. Graham WR North Carolina State
70 Jacksonville Jaguars Bryan Anger P California
71 Washington Redskins Josh Leribeus G Southern Methodist
72 Miami Dolphins Olivier Vernon DE Miami (Fla.)
73 San Diego Chargers Brandon Taylor SS LSU
74 Kansas City Chiefs Donald Stephenson T Oklahoma
75 Seattle Seahawks Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin
76 Houston Texans Brandon Brooks G Miami (Ohio)
77 New York Jets Demario Davis LB Arkansas State
78 Miami Dolphins Michael Egnew TE Missouri
79 Chicago Bears Brandon Hardin FS Oregon State
80 Arizona Cardinals Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma
81 Dallas Cowboys Tyrone Crawford DE Boise State
82 Tennessee Titans Mike Martin DT Michigan
83 Cincinnati Bengals Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
84 Baltimore Ravens Bernard Pierce RB Temple
85 Detroit Lions Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette
86 Pittsburgh Steelers Sean Spence LB Miami (Fla.)
87 Cleveland Browns John Hughes DT Cincinnati
88 Philadelphia Eagles Nick Foles QB Arizona
89 New Orleans Saints Akiem Hicks DT Regina (Canada)
90 New England Patriots Jake Bequette DE Arkansas
91 Atlanta Falcons Lamar Holmes T Southern Mississippi
92 Indianapolis Colts T.Y. Hilton WR Florida International
93 Cincinnati Bengals Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
94 New York Giants Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech
95 Oakland Raiders Tony Bergstrom G Utah

after the first round come in and make a difference folks are few and far between.. after 50 even more so..

which one of these guys would have been a starter on this team..

someone who would fit into our schemes and made a difference.

I doubt that you will find one of those on that list..

Bold.

Ty Hilton is debatable. I think he could be just as good as Stokely this year.

Archer81
07-21-2012, 11:53 PM
Great QB's tend to mask alot of problems. Areas that were a concern before they got there could end up being a strength.

We'll have to wait and see. The Colts teams with Manning regularly posted 10+ wins for a decade. Those teams had holes on defense. Glaring ones. But they did have solid secondary play and two fantastic edge rushers. Which sounds oddly familiar somehow. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Denver posts a 10+ wins season. SB run? I have no idea right now. Alot of ? marks. But if Denver can make the playoffs with what they had last year, the same should happen with Peanut Head.

At least in theory.

:Broncos:

lonestar
07-21-2012, 11:54 PM
Bold.

Ty Hilton is debatable. I think he could be just as good as Stokely this year.

so a CB or DE or one of two WR would take us to the SB.

all would start oever the guys we already have..

highly unlikely at best they would be role players or long term projects..

Hmmm just like BO seems to be..

I saw no instant starters on that list no diffenrce makers for this coming year..

Doggcow
07-22-2012, 12:12 AM
I honestly think this is THE BEST TEAM Manning has ever had around him.

Seriously look at it. Our D is far better than Indy's ever was, I'd argue our O-line is too, and Indy's success was a direct result of Manning.

KCStud
07-22-2012, 12:38 AM
I honestly think this is THE BEST TEAM Manning has ever had around him.

Seriously look at it. Our D is far better than Indy's ever was, I'd argue our O-line is too, and Indy's success was a direct result of Manning.

No. 2006 Cotls had more talent.

KCStud
07-22-2012, 12:41 AM
so a CB or DE or one of two WR would take us to the SB.

all would start oever the guys we already have..

highly unlikely at best they would be role players or long term projects..

Hmmm just like BO seems to be..

I saw no instant starters on that list no diffenrce makers for this coming year..

I think they would have made a good contribution to the team. But I think Hillman will do well too.

The real question is what players would have made an instant impact in the 2nd round instead of Robert Pattison.

lonestar
07-22-2012, 01:04 AM
I think they would have made a good contribution to the team. But I think Hillman will do well too.

The real question is what players would have made an instant impact in the 2nd round instead of Robert Pattison.

who is that?

ol#7
07-22-2012, 04:07 AM
This is a talent deficient team, and taking a QB in rnd 2 was a boneheaded move. The entire draft and FA period are pretty bonheaded IMO. Though I must say many of you Elway can do no wrong types are at least getting me a little bit jazzed for the season to see if I was wrong.

Drek
07-22-2012, 09:05 AM
ok which one of these players would have been the guy that comes in and contributes RIGHT now and allows us to go to the super bowl this year..
after the first round come in and make a difference folks are few and far between.. after 50 even more so..

which one of these guys would have been a starter on this team..

someone who would fit into our schemes and made a difference.

I doubt that you will find one of those on that list..

The very next player taken. Lavonte David.

Ideal 4-3 WOLB who is already a polished cover LB. Our starting WOLB is looking at a minimum of 6 games out, very possibly the whole season with his most recent scandal. David is very possibly better than Woodyard already.

If we had drafted Lavonte David we would have a hell of a lot more leverage in dealing with DJ's bull****.

Its a real easy progression to put together too on how it all could have fit together even better than it has.

Sign Jeff Saturday, Walton becomes the backup C and swing tackle so when you keep Tebow and lose the 4th rounder we took Blake with there isn't a hole opened up there. Draft David and release DJ outright, resulting in actual cap SAVINGS while putting together a better overall team for 2012.

errand
07-22-2012, 09:08 AM
Time is something PM doesn't have.

Peyton is one of those rare QB's that could still be effective at an advanced age....because he's smarter than almost every QB out there, and his ability to get out of a bad play and into a good play has been demonstrated for the past decade and a half.

The only thing that will keep him from fulfilling his contract is an injury, or if he decides to go out like Elway did, as a SB champion.

2KBack
07-22-2012, 09:28 AM
No. 2006 Cotls had more talent.

not much of a discussion if you don't offer examples

errand
07-22-2012, 09:40 AM
This is a talent deficient team,

That's debatable....we aren't the '97-'98 Broncos yet...but we're also not the '76-'77 Bucs either. I think we're close to the '96 team though.

This team has a good stable of RB's, an above average WR corps, an improved secondary anchored by one of the all-time greats, a better TE tandem than what we've had in the past few seasons, and a young OL that helped us lead the NFL in rushing....and we've got a very good pass rushing tandem in Doom and Von. Our kicking game is pretty much set with Prater and Colquitt.

So to say we're talent deficient is just you being grumpy because the team didn't do what you wanted them to do, which was to keep a project at QB, and draft whomever....like that would have guaranteed a SB either.


and taking a QB in rnd 2 was a boneheaded move.

Says the guy that wanted us to keep a project QB drafted in the 1st round. We drafted a potential QBOTF in the second round....a move that was neccesitated by the fact that our current QB is 36 years old and while he'll still be pretty damn good for the next 4-5 years, you still have to prepare for the day he won't or can't play for us.

The entire draft and FA period are pretty bonheaded IMO.

How so?

We signed arguably the biggest FA in the history of FA's and he plays the most important position on ANY NFL team...

we dumped Goodman, and upgraded with Porter and drafted that Bolden kid who was rated a potential late 1st or early 2nd rounder prior to his injury in college...we replaced the retired Dawkins with an above average to good guy in Adams, we also signed a decent nickelback in Florence,

we drafted Blake to push or replace Walton (whom many believed was our weakest link on OL), we drafted a RB in Hillman that will provide us with much needed speed and pass catching ability in case Moreno doesn't make it out of camp a Bronco.

We upgraded the TE position with Tamme (he caught 67 passes from Manning while subbing for Clark being out) and we signed Dreesen, while he's no Antonio Gates when it comes to pass catching, he's also no Antonio Gates when it comes to blocking.

We also drafted an athletic DT in Wolfe that can also play DE if the need arises This team in my opinion has a done a very good job trying to fill the "holes" all of you whiners have cried about. Quit acting butt hurt and look at this team more objectively...we signed and drafted some quality guys



Though I must say many of you Elway can do no wrong types are at least getting me a little bit jazzed for the season to see if I was wrong.

Well, you are wrong....so come along for the ride.....cuz it's gonna be a good one in my opinion



in bold

CEH
07-22-2012, 09:41 AM
not much of a discussion if you don't offer examples

How about the 2009 Indy Colts. I noticed he didn't offer them up yet they played in the Super Bowl. Gee wonder how they made it to the Super Bowl in 2009?

I can match up player for player on that 2009 Indy team. 33 TD and 16 Ints is not that unreasonable for Peyton this year. 800 yards from Magahee and DT breaking off 1100 yards after what we saw his do in the Pitts game. Add in 800+ from Decker and the TEs

Our D needs to be around 320 points allowed. I think they can do that with the talent they have assembled on defense.

DBroncos4life
07-22-2012, 09:58 AM
not much of a discussion if you don't offer examples

You really expect him to keep on subject long enough?

ol#7
07-22-2012, 10:01 AM
in bold

From now on, when I speak of an "Elway can do no wrong type," just assume I am including you.

errand
07-22-2012, 10:50 AM
From now on, when I speak of an "Elway can do no wrong type," just assume I am including you.

It's not that I think "Elway can do no wrong" ...it's that I haven't seen him make a move that I thought didn't make sense.


You on the other hand disagree because you like certain players...you wanted a defensive player or a DT or he didn't keep a certain QB, or whatever...so now he's an idiot to you.

Elway has upgraded this team with players like Manning, Adams, Porter, Tamme, Dreesen, and Florence. How you think that they are bad signings is beyond me and most reasonably sane people.

He drafted to fill holes and build depth in guys like Wolfe, Hillman, Bolden, Blake and Osweiler....to say none of them were worthy of their draft status before they've even played an NFL down is pretty stupid in my opinion.

Doesn't matter what the draftniks in magazines or online think...it only matters what the Broncos think of these players. Nobody thought TD, or Tom Brady, Sharpe, or Rod Smith was worthy of being drafted before the 6th-7th round if at all?

Now knowing how their careers turned out, who wouldn't have given up their entire draft for them now? Their actual production on the NFL field says they were all worthy of 1st round selections, if not multiple 1st round picks

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
07-22-2012, 02:45 PM
in bold

Awesome take.

lonestar
07-22-2012, 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by ol#7 View Post
This is a talent deficient team,

That's debatable....we aren't the '97-'98 Broncos yet...but we're also not the '76-'77 Bucs either. I think we're close to the '96 team though.

This team has a good stable of RB's, an above average WR corps, an improved secondary anchored by one of the all-time greats, a better TE tandem than what we've had in the past few seasons, and a young OL that helped us lead the NFL in rushing....and we've got a very good pass rushing tandem in Doom and Von. Our kicking game is pretty much set with Prater and Colquitt.

So to say we're talent deficient is just you being grumpy because the team didn't do what you wanted them to do, which was to keep a project at QB, and draft whomever....like that would have guaranteed a SB either.


and taking a QB in rnd 2 was a boneheaded move.

Says the guy that wanted us to keep a project QB drafted in the 1st round. We drafted a potential QBOTF in the second round....a move that was neccesitated by the fact that our current QB is 36 years old and while he'll still be pretty damn good for the next 4-5 years, you still have to prepare for the day he won't or can't play for us.

The entire draft and FA period are pretty bonheaded IMO.

How so?

We signed arguably the biggest FA in the history of FA's and he plays the most important position on ANY NFL team...

we dumped Goodman, and upgraded with Porter and drafted that Bolden kid who was rated a potential late 1st or early 2nd rounder prior to his injury in college...we replaced the retired Dawkins with an above average to good guy in Adams, we also signed a decent nickelback in Florence,

we drafted Blake to push or replace Walton (whom many believed was our weakest link on OL), we drafted a RB in Hillman that will provide us with much needed speed and pass catching ability in case Moreno doesn't make it out of camp a Bronco.

We upgraded the TE position with Tamme (he caught 67 passes from Manning while subbing for Clark being out) and we signed Dreesen, while he's no Antonio Gates when it comes to pass catching, he's also no Antonio Gates when it comes to blocking.

We also drafted an athletic DT in Wolfe that can also play DE if the need arises This team in my opinion has a done a very good job trying to fill the "holes" all of you whiners have cried about. Quit acting butt hurt and look at this team more objectively...we signed and drafted some quality guys



Though I must say many of you Elway can do no wrong types are at least getting me a little bit jazzed for the season to see if I was wrong.

Well, you are wrong....so come along for the ride.....cuz it's gonna be a good one in my opinion


in bold


Great rebuttal but un-quotable if someone wanted to do so..

Please in the future just make you argument outside of the quote your rebutting.. Everyone will get what you're saying and probably understand it better.. if someone is using an Iphone or small screen it all runs together..

PLEASE..

lonestar
07-22-2012, 05:23 PM
It's not that I think "Elway can do no wrong" ...it's that I haven't seen him make a move that I thought didn't make sense.


You on the other hand disagree because you like certain players...you wanted a defensive player or a DT or he didn't keep a certain QB, or whatever...so now he's an idiot to you.

Elway has upgraded this team with players like Manning, Adams, Porter, Tamme, Dreesen, and Florence. How you think that they are bad signings is beyond me and most reasonably sane people.

He drafted to fill holes and build depth in guys like Wolfe, Hillman, Bolden, Blake and Osweiler....to say none of them were worthy of their draft status before they've even played an NFL down is pretty stupid in my opinion.

Doesn't matter what the draftniks in magazines or online think...it only matters what the Broncos think of these players. Nobody thought TD, or Tom Brady, Sharpe, or Rod Smith was worthy of being drafted before the 6th-7th round if at all?

Now knowing how their careers turned out, who wouldn't have given up their entire draft for them now? Their actual production on the NFL field says they were all worthy of 1st round selections, if not multiple 1st round picks

FWIW you can add Chris Harris to that list.. invaluable at Nickle one of the top rated at his spot.. Starter material ? Probably not but few are better than he is and he was an UDFA..

Gems all over the place that were not first trhough third picks..

broncogary
07-22-2012, 05:28 PM
Great rebuttal but un-quotable if someone wanted to do so..

Please in the future just make you argument outside of the quote your rebutting.. Everyone will get what you're saying and probably understand it better.. if someone is using an Iphone or small screen it all runs together..

PLEASE..

You realize you just quoted it, don't you?

lonestar
07-22-2012, 09:37 PM
You realize you just quoted it, don't you?

did I?

Wow did not notice..

thanks for your advice on that..

I'll watch out better in the future..

Jetmeck
07-22-2012, 09:42 PM
Here's thought...let's see how they play before you question whether they should have been selected....

says the guy proclaiming we should cut DOOM...............before we get the evidence................Hilarious!

Jetmeck
07-22-2012, 09:45 PM
No. 2006 Cotls had more talent.

no way...their defense was atrocious until the playoffs.............

errand
07-22-2012, 09:49 PM
says the guy proclaiming we should cut DOOM...............before we get the evidence................Hilarious!


Please show the post where I said this....

broncosteven
07-22-2012, 10:30 PM
I think the D could start slow but come on as DJ gets back and the season goes on.

lonestar
07-22-2012, 11:16 PM
I think the D could start slow but come on as DJ gets back and the season goes on.

Actually if anything te D will be fine without DJ and more than likely to be the best prepared between them and the O.

remember that the QB is the one that has to get used to everyone and the playbook.. get the timing down..

Whereas the D has less timing issues.. Champ will be Champ the rest are playing familiar positions the only real newbie is the DT rookie Everyone elsehehas been there done that albeit in different schemes they are still experienced..