FBI Says Zimmerman Not Racially Motivated in Shooting

[Smiling Assassin27]

Makes 2nd degree conviction a longshot. Sharpton, Jackson, and typical OM race baiters hardest hit:

The FBI found no racial bias behind George Zimmerman's shooting of Miami Gardens teen Trayvon Martin, according to dozens of documents related to the case released Thursday.

The second round of discovery documents released by prosecutors include reports from the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and State Attorney's Office as well as photos of the crime scene, aerial photos, police calls and surveillance video related to the shooting.






Chris Serino, the lead investigator on the shooting, told the FBI race wasn't behind the shooting.

"SERINO believed that ZIMMERMAN's actions were not based on MARTIN's skin color rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community," the FBI wrote in the report. "Serino described ZIMMERMAN as overzealous and as having a 'little hero complex', but not as a racist."



http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/More-George-Zimmerman-Case-Documents-to-Be-Released-162190305.html

[Requiem]

What he did was still wrong.

[peacepipe]

Makes 2nd degree conviction a longshot. Sharpton, Jackson, and typical OM race baiters hardest hit:






http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/More-George-Zimmerman-Case-Documents-to-Be-Released-162190305.html

racial issues are not a requirement in 2nd degree murder, only if a hate crimes enancement was added to the charge of 2nd degree murder. as of yet,there is no hate crimes enhancement on the charge of 2nd degree murder. he can be found guilty of 2nd degree murder as well as be found innocent, all the same.

[houghtam]

And this is all over and above the fact that all Martin's parents and the majority of the black community ever wanted was an investigation. They felt it was wrong the way the incident was handled, and they are correct. There is no argument anyone can make that the police acted according to procedure in this case.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Reading the OP, you can just see SmilingAss pumping his fists in the air and high-fiving the other racist good ol' boys around him...

[DBruleU]

Reading the OP, you can just see SmilingAss pumping his fists in the air and high-fiving the other racist good ol' boys around him...

Just more of the attack the messenger not the message, huh LABF?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3618951&postcount=15

hypocrite.

[barryr]

Just more of the attack the messenger not the message, huh LABF?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3618951&postcount=15

hypocrite.

Of course, but he and the other liberals do that all the time. They don't like it when they get that back however, but they never seem to get the irony despite their inflated opinions about their intelligence.

[Requiem]

Even a 50% deflated opinion is 200% higher than yours, bozo.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Just more of the attack the messenger not the message, huh LABF?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3618951&postcount=15

hypocrite.

You're just a false equivalence generating machine, aren't you?

My comment was about SA's reaction to the news - nothing more.

[txtebow]

LABF is just another self flaggellating misguided WHITE zombie.........

[houghtam]

LABF is just another self flaggellating misguided WHITE zombie.........

And you're from Texas. Hilarious!

[peacepipe]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/13/12728817-zimmerman-wants-to-toss-trial-judge-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite

zimmerman is now trying to pull a limbaugh, trying to get another judge to recuse himself. shopping for that judge that may have a bias in his favor.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF is just another self flaggellating misguided WHITE zombie.........

Are you the same racist pinhead who told me I was a "traitor to my race?"

Name change?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/13/12728817-zimmerman-wants-to-toss-trial-judge-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite

zimmerman is now trying to pull a limbaugh, trying to get another judge to recuse himself. shopping for that judge that may have a bias in his favor.

Sounds like he's read the GOP play book.

[txtebow]

Are you the same racist pinhead who told me I was a "traitor to my race?"

Name change?

Your grandparents would be proud...... And your perspective on life reflects someone who more than likely doesn't have children or if he has some he gets to see them every other weekend and 2 weeks in the summer.... One cannot possibly be as misguided as you if you had some skin in the game...ie offspring that would live in the misguided and third world hugging existence that you write so highly of...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your grandparents would be proud...... And your perspective on life reflects someone who more than likely doesn't have children or if he has some he gets to see them every other weekend and 2 weeks in the summer.... One cannot possibly be as misguided as you if you had some skin in the game...ie offspring that would live in the misguided and third world hugging existence that you write so highly of...

You are that same racist douche.

What was your old screen name?

BroncoFan7 or something like that?

[txtebow]

America for all of its faults in the 1950s was the pinnacle of the world. Ever since the 1960s reforms our country has been on a downward spiral in terms of education, national debt and a shrinking middle class. By the time you and I are geriatrics America will be an unrecognizable web of tangled ethnic masses. The tipping point of diversity has been reached. The assimilation into a European centric culture that used to occur with every generation of immigrants has gone the way of the dodo bird. Just look at the mass invasion post 1990 that has occurred in the American southwest... With English. Ring a second language to many who crossed the border illegally our southwestern school systems continually struggle to graduate competent students despite throwing millions into programs ( that could be better spent on gym class for our current generation of overweight youth) that are designed to help largely Latino youth from Mexico learn English ... So there is and has been a tangible effect on our educational costs ( and healthcare system ) because of this large wave of illegal immigration that the left ( lulac la raza) continue to support as if it's equivalent to migration to the USA if coming through Ellis island. The fact is , it's not.... But keep thinking your positions are righteous...

[houghtam]

America for all of its faults in the 1950s was the pinnacle of the world. Ever since the 1960s reforms our country has been on a downward spiral in terms of education, national debt and a shrinking middle class. By the time you and I are geriatrics America will be an unrecognizable web of tangled ethnic masses. The tipping point of diversity has been reached. The assimilation into a European centric culture that used to occur with every generation of immigrants has gone the way of the dodo bird. Just look at the mass invasion post 1990 that has occurred in the American southwest... With English. Ring a second language to many who crossed the border illegally our southwestern school systems continually struggle to graduate competent students despite throwing millions into programs ( that could be better spent on gym class for our current generation of overweight youth) that are designed to help largely Latino youth from Mexico learn English ... So there is and has been a tangible effect on our educational costs ( and healthcare system ) because of this large wave of illegal immigration that the left ( lulac la raza) continue to support as if it's equivalent to migration to the USA if coming through Ellis island. The fact is , it's not.... But keep thinking your positions are righteous...

And meanwhile our produce prices are low and our lawns are kept up at a decent price.

And I love how you brush aside America's faults "in the 50s" as if that was when they started and ended, and have no effect whatsoever on society today. Hell, would you care to outline all the specific "faults" there were in the 50s? Because from reading your posts, something tells me you don't think making a certain segment of the population sit at the back of the bus was all that big a deal.

[W*GS]

txtebow is just a nativist. It's a dead-end view. His whinings of 2012 aren't that different from those of 1912, when the WASPs feared the influx of Catholics and others, but who are now recognized as a huge boon to the American adventure.

In 100 years, if the US is less white, more Spanglish and Chinglish, so be it. It will still be America. txtebow may not think so, but that's just his fear and ignorance talking.

[houghtam]

txtebow is just a nativist. It's a dead-end view. His whinings of 2012 aren't that different from those of 1912, when the WASPs feared the influx of Catholics and others, but who are now recognized as a huge boon to the American adventure.

In 100 years, if the US is less white, more Spanglish and Chinglish, so be it. It will still be America. txtebow may not think so, but that's just his fear and ignorance talking.

Yep. I've decided that the problem people have with this country being more diverse is that they're afraid that minorities will treat them just as badly as they treated the minorities.

[barryr]

Yep. I've decided that the problem people have with this country being more diverse is that they're afraid that minorities will treat them just as badly as they treated the minorities.

And you know how people treated others around here? You liberals don't like being painted with any broad brushes, yet you guys do that sort of thing constantly, with your "conservatives are racist", anybody from the south is a "dumb racist" routine. I know, it's different when you do it.

[txtebow]

Today America is relinquishing its status as the hub of wealth in the world along with its status of having the worlds largest and most prosperous middle class. Combine that with our continual fall in world education rankings and it doesn't take a sociologist to see that the 21st century will end like the 19th century did for the Spanish.... The only difference? We brought it on ourselves with policy.....

[W*GS]

Today America is relinquishing its status as the hub of wealth in the world along with its status of having the worlds largest and most prosperous middle class. Combine that with our continual fall in world education rankings and it doesn't take a sociologist to see that the 21st century will end like the 19th century did for the Spanish.... The only difference? We brought it on ourselves with policy.....

Why do you hate America?

[txtebow]

Does a father hate his son for bringing to light all of the bad decisions that he's been making?

[W*GS]

Does a father hate his son for bringing to light all of the bad decisions that he's been making?

America isn't making "bad decisions" - at least what you think are "bad".

That you think the 1950s were America's apex says a lot. To most others, America has made significant *progress* since then, not what you think, which is descent.

[houghtam]

America isn't making "bad decisions" - at least what you think are "bad".

That you think the 1950s were America's apex says a lot. To most others, America has made significant *progress* since then, not what you think, which is descent.

Basically his post used a lot of words to say the following:

"America is becoming less white, that's a bad thing, and us white people only have ourselves to blame."

[txtebow]

America isn't making "bad decisions" - at least what you think are "bad".

That you think the 1950s were America's apex says a lot. To most others, America has made significant *progress* since then, not what you think, which is descent.

http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/6325

"The United States is living on its past. Among the oldest group in the study (those aged 56–65), U.S. prose skills rose to second place. For those attending school in the 1950s, SAT scores reached an all-time high.

As the years go by, the United States slips down the list. Americans educated in the sixties captured a Bronze Medal in literacy, those schooled in the seventies got 5th place in the race. But those schooled in the nineties ranked 14th.

Have Americans sacrificed quality for equity? One could hope for such egalitarian bliss; unfortunately, the opposite is true. Among the 20 highest-income countries participating in the test, the United States wins the inequality Gold Medal.

Not true for the oldest group, however. For those educated in the fifties, the United States not only managed to achieve the second-highest literacy scores but, on the inequality index, scored no worse than average. Equity was not sacrificed for quality or vice versa."

[W*GS]

How much equality was there for women in the 1950s? Blacks? Hispanics? Asians? Jews? Catholics? Atheists? Homosexuals?

Now, the same for equity.

America is stronger and better and closer to its ideals now than then. You view that as a decline - because straight white WASP men don't now hold *all* the cards.

I view the changes over the last 50-60 years as hugely positive, because straight white WASP mean don't now hold *all* the cards.

[txtebow]

How much equality was there for women in the 1950s? Blacks? Hispanics? Asians? Jews? Catholics? Atheists? Homosexuals?

Now, the same for equity.

America is stronger and better and closer to its ideals now than then. You view that as a decline - because straight white WASP men don't now hold *all* the cards.

I view the changes over the last 50-60 years as hugely positive, because straight white WASP mean don't now hold *all* the cards.

and your views are shaped largely by the PC doctrine that has guided the Average American since the 1960's into being distinctly that when compared to our brethren worldwide....distinctly average. and it's not because we allowed women to vote or allowed blacks to be BUSSED into well performing schools. It's because we attempt to allow certain groups to take short cuts to success instead of utilizing a fair, merit based system (because that merit based system is deemed too skewed toward white males so says the LEFT..(Asians would disagree however) and as a whole, we as a country have in fact regressed in a variety of areas....healthcare, education, job placement for our college educated (recent yahoo article poiinted out that 50% of those college graduates since 2006 have yet to find full time employment------The college edcuation boom of post WWII boomers(GI BILL recipients) that led to the great expansion of technology and innovation is now but a distant memory). By extending a series of programs(and BILLIONS of dollars) that were designed in part to remedy ills of the past, we have in fact weakened our society as a whole. Instead of having everyone aspire to reach up, we have instead lowered the bar in an effort to create DIVERSITY instead of demanding that everyone be given a fair OPPORTUNITY to the American Dream. The American Dream is now taking place in India and east Asia.........

[houghtam]

and your views are shaped largely by the PC doctrine that has guided the Average American since the 1960's into being distinctly that when compared to our brethren worldwide....distinctly average. and it's not because we allowed women to vote or allowed blacks to be BUSSED into well performing schools. It's because we attempt to allow certain groups to take short cuts to success instead of utilizing a fair, merit based system (because that merit based system is deemed too skewed toward white males so says the LEFT..(Asians would disagree however) and as a whole, we as a country have in fact regressed in a variety of areas....healthcare, education, job placement for our college educated (recent yahoo article poiinted out that 50% of those college graduates since 2006 have yet to find full time employment------The college edcuation boom of post WWII boomers(GI BILL recipients) that led to the great expansion of technology and innovation is now but a distant memory). By extending a series of programs(and BILLIONS of dollars) that were designed in part to remedy ills of the past, we have in fact weakened our society as a whole. Instead of having everyone aspire to reach up, we have instead lowered the bar in an effort to create DIVERSITY instead of demanding that everyone be given a fair OPPORTUNITY to the American Dream. The American Dream is now taking place in India and east Asia.........

/flick

[W*GS]

Why do you hate America, txtebow?

Our best days are yet to arrive - you're constantly looking back at an era that only in the narrowest and most prejudicial sense, was America's "best".

I'm very optimistic about our future. You're just a declinist.

[txtebow]

Why do you hate America, txtebow?

Our best days are yet to arrive - you're constantly looking back at an era that only in the narrowest and most prejudicial sense, was America's "best".

I'm very optimistic about our future. You're just a declinist.

Well I can lead a blind dog to water but I can't make him drink.....

[W*GS]

Well I can lead a blind dog to water but I can't make him drink.....

America in the next 100 years will be different, true. Doesn't mean it *must* be worse.

You still haven't figured out that the 1950s were the "best" only for a narrow subset of Americans. I'd rather have all Americans have a chance to be what they want to be, rather than having the American Dream limited to some small group.

I don't fear America's future - why do you?

[txtebow]

America in the next 100 years will be different, true. Doesn't mean it *must* be worse.

You still haven't figured out that the 1950s were the "best" only for a narrow subset of Americans. I'd rather have all Americans have a chance to be what they want to be, rather than having the American Dream limited to some small group.

I don't fear America's future - why do you?

Because I have kids.... And for the first time in generations they on average will be less likely to find success than their parents. The trends of college graduates returning home rather than into the work force should be sounding alarm bells for everyone....

[houghtam]

Hate to break it to you, but college kids coming home is a sign that we have too many college graduates and not enough jobs that you need a college education for, not that we're too diverse.

Not everyone needs to go to college.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hate to break it to you, but college kids coming home is a sign that we have too many college graduates and not enough jobs that you need a college education for, not that we're too diverse.

Not everyone needs to go to college.

Where was his "concern" when all those good-paying jobs were being hemorrhaged under BushCo?

Nowhere to be found.

[txtebow]

Where was his "concern" when all those good-paying jobs were being hemorrhaged under BushCo?

Nowhere to be found.

GWB ( really dick Cheney) was the worst presidency in my lifetime. I'd really like to see Hillary Clinton in office .

[txtebow]

Hate to break it to you, but college kids coming home is a sign that we have too many college graduates and not enough jobs that you need a college education for, not that we're too diverse.

Not everyone needs to go to college.

See my above posts as to how diversity is in fact not identical to equal opportunity. Diversity speaks to fixing results to reflect some artificial outcome. That is what has weakened America and the empirical data relative to education and health reflect that.

[nyuk nyuk]

And this is all over and above the fact that all Martin's parents and the majority of the black community ever wanted was an investigation. They felt it was wrong the way the incident was handled, and they are correct. There is no argument anyone can make that the police acted according to procedure in this case.

What I've seen is a lot of guilty before proven innocent lynch mob mentality of the type we saw in the Duke University rape case.

It was investigated - they just didn't like the result.

[nyuk nyuk]

See my above posts as to how diversity is in fact not identical to equal opportunity. Diversity speaks to fixing results to reflect some artificial outcome. That is what has weakened America and the empirical data relative to education and health reflect that.

Diversity is self-contradictive Orwellian language. So are other liberal catch words like 'tolerance' and 'equality'. In practice, these words are actually the opposite of what they are claimed to be.

[nyuk nyuk]

Where was his "concern" when all those good-paying jobs were being hemorrhaged under BushCo?

Nowhere to be found.

I recall words such as "NAFTA" and "right-sizing" (code for downsizing) were very popular under Clinton. It seems to me that if someone is going to complain about the state of the economy of this country, he either does it accurately or his honesty in the matter is up to question.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I recall words such as "NAFTA" and "right-sizing" (code for downsizing) were very popular under Clinton. It seems to me that if someone is going to complain about the state of the economy of this country, he either does it accurately or his honesty in the matter is up to question.

NAFTA (big mistake, obviously) was one of many instance in which Clinton compromised with folks like you - and they still tried to remove him from office.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Diversity is self-contradictive(sic) Orwellian language.

Hilarious!

We need some sort of hall of fame thread for words and phrases right-wingers invent.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Diversity is self-contradictive(sic) Orwellian language.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/562723_504217116270471_1569373939_n.jpg

[nyuk nyuk]

How much equality was there for women in the 1950s? Blacks? Hispanics? Asians? Jews? Catholics? Atheists? Homosexuals?

Now, the same for equity.

America is stronger and better and closer to its ideals now than then. You view that as a decline - because straight white WASP men don't now hold *all* the cards.

Considering the gulf between these two, I would think that you are mistaken on what ideals this country actually has held.

[nyuk nyuk]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/562723_504217116270471_1569373939_n.jpg

Except I'm not a tea partier. I'll give you a little hint of what I meant.

It's not "diversity" or "tolerance" when you attack people for deviating from the party line, thus the language is Orwellian. Orwell himself criticized vague and imprecise language in political dialogue, and such worthless catchwords as these were examples of what he meant.

[nyuk nyuk]

Hilarious!

We need some sort of hall of fame thread for words and phrases right-wingers invent.

self-con·tra·dic·tion (slfkntr-dkshn) (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-contradictory)
n.
1. The act, state, or fact of contradicting oneself.
2. An idea or statement containing contradictory elements.


Orwellian political language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian#Political_language)

Orwell tried to promote the use of more precise language in political discourse, and he criticised political language popular at the time, such as "running-dog lackey" and "Fascist octopus", which he said prevented thought. It seems unlikely that Orwell would have approved of many of the uses to which his pseudonym is applied. The loose definition of the term and the often poor correlation between the real-life situations people describe as Orwellian and his own dystopian fiction leave the use of the adjective at best inexact and frequently politically inaccurate. In his essay "Politics and the English Language", Orwell derided the use of cliché and dying metaphors, which "even think your thoughts for you, to a certain extent" and went on to say "But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."

In many of his essays and letters Orwell criticised words with formally precise definitions being used badly and the vague slide in meaning for many of these words. He was a fierce critic of Fascism but he would freely mock the promiscuous use of the word:“It would seem that, as used, the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, youth hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I don't know what else."[2]

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Since I'm not inventing anything, I think perhaps that the issue here may be your lack of educating yourself.

[nyuk nyuk]

America isn't making "bad decisions" - at least what you think are "bad".

That you think the 1950s were America's apex says a lot. To most others, America has made significant *progress* since then, not what you think, which is descent.

Considering that even the Left concedes that real income in the US has declined since the 1970s, it shouldn't be so difficult to come to such a conclusion. Further, this country lacked the social instability and rabble-rousing that we've had here especially since the 1960s, as well as the accompanying spike in crime and drug use. To think of America now as better than then requires a very narrow ideological view.

For those who think otherwise, I don't think appealing to alleged popularity is necessarily the best argument for their side of things.

[houghtam]

self-con·tra·dic·tion (slfkntr-dkshn) (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-contradictory)
n.
1. The act, state, or fact of contradicting oneself.
2. An idea or statement containing contradictory elements.


Orwellian political language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian#Political_language)

Orwell tried to promote the use of more precise language in political discourse, and he criticised political language popular at the time, such as "running-dog lackey" and "Fascist octopus", which he said prevented thought. It seems unlikely that Orwell would have approved of many of the uses to which his pseudonym is applied. The loose definition of the term and the often poor correlation between the real-life situations people describe as Orwellian and his own dystopian fiction leave the use of the adjective at best inexact and frequently politically inaccurate. In his essay "Politics and the English Language", Orwell derided the use of cliché and dying metaphors, which "even think your thoughts for you, to a certain extent" and went on to say "But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."

In many of his essays and letters Orwell criticised words with formally precise definitions being used badly and the vague slide in meaning for many of these words. He was a fierce critic of Fascism but he would freely mock the promiscuous use of the word:“It would seem that, as used, the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, youth hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I don't know what else."[2]

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Since I'm not inventing anything, I think perhaps that the issue here may be your lack of educating yourself.

Thanks for posting this. Now we can finally put all those "Obama is a socialist" rants to bed. REP!

[Garcia Bronco]

Ahhh yes. "Double Speak" You can typically bet that anyone talking about "Diversity and Tolerance" honor neither.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

self-con·tra·dic·tion (slfkntr-dkshn) (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-contradictory)
n.
1. The act, state, or fact of contradicting oneself.
2. An idea or statement containing contradictory elements.


Orwellian political language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian#Political_language)

Orwell tried to promote the use of more precise language in political discourse, and he criticised political language popular at the time, such as "running-dog lackey" and "Fascist octopus", which he said prevented thought. It seems unlikely that Orwell would have approved of many of the uses to which his pseudonym is applied. The loose definition of the term and the often poor correlation between the real-life situations people describe as Orwellian and his own dystopian fiction leave the use of the adjective at best inexact and frequently politically inaccurate. In his essay "Politics and the English Language", Orwell derided the use of cliché and dying metaphors, which "even think your thoughts for you, to a certain extent" and went on to say "But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."

In many of his essays and letters Orwell criticised words with formally precise definitions being used badly and the vague slide in meaning for many of these words. He was a fierce critic of Fascism but he would freely mock the promiscuous use of the word:“It would seem that, as used, the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, youth hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I don't know what else."[2]

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But "self-contradiction" isn't the word you used.

You said "self-contradictive."

Since I'm not inventing anything, I think perhaps that the issue here may be your lack of educating yourself.

Irony meter --> pegged. :rofl:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Since I'm not inventing anything, I think perhaps that the issue here may be your lack of educating yourself.

L0L! :laugh:

You're a regular irony generating machine.

Let me help you out here:

The phrase "your lack of educating yourself" is (a) redundant and (b) an example of incorrect verb use.

What you want to say is "I think the issue here may be your lack of education."