Congress pushes Obama toward war with Iran

[mhgaffney]

It's shocking that the latest bill on Iran was speeded through Congress -- with no hearings. Clearly we are now on a fast track to war. Indeed, given the cyber attack and the CIA's covert ops -- the war against Iran has already begun.

There are important links in the article that will be lost if I copy and paste it here. So here below is the link to the original.
MHG

Congress Pushes for War with Iran

By Stephen Zunes

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31577.htm

[mhgaffney]

So, you clowns think this is just a parlor game?

Stephen Zunes is an excellent writer/scholar. He is a professor of Mideast studies at SF University. He knows of what he speaks.

Is not one of you prepared to speak out for peace?

[pricejj]

I am against the war in Iraq.

I am against the war in Afghanistan.

I am against sanctions on Eritrea.

I am against providing funding to Ethiopia for war with Somalia.

I am against providing funding and logistics for war in Libya.

I am against drone bombing and military operations in Pakistan.

I am against military action in Yemen.

I am against military action in Syria.

I am against non-military sanctions on Iran...


...I am not against surveillance, or military strikes to specifically destroy nuclear weapons development facilities, after all other avenues have failed, in order to prevent the proliferation of nuclear technology (to those regimes who do not have it already), which I believe protects U.S. citizens.

I fully support the U.S. military, and the troops. I support proper U.S. Defense funding (capped at 20% of federal tax revenues).

[pricejj]

That being said, I believe that Iran is pursuing nuclear technology because of an ongoing threat from agressive Israel and U.S. military actions in the region, which must be stopped.

U.S. military presence needs to be removed from the Middle East. However, it must be explicitly stated and agreed upon that the U.S. reserves the right to surveillance. If pursuance of nuclear technology continues, any perpetrating parties will expect full U.S. military action.

A good faith withdrawal to remove U.S. military presence from the region could begin immediately.

[pricejj]

Israel is a big problem, until they stop what they are doing, we are all in danger.

[mhgaffney]

Sen McCain admits that the US is arming the so called rebels in Syria-- "just as we did in Libya.."


The best guestimate is that the atrocities are being committed by some of the "rebels" which the US supports. The purpose of the atrocities: to discredit Assad and justify foreign (NATO) intervention in order to topple Assad.

The US would then install a client regime favorable to the US and Israel.

The rebels may very well turn out to be another incarnation of al Qaeda -- surprise!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31594.htm

[Arkie]

That being said, I believe that Iran is pursuing nuclear technology because of an ongoing threat from agressive Israel and U.S. military actions in the region, which must be stopped.

U.S. military presence needs to be removed from the Middle East. However, it must be explicitly stated and agreed upon that the U.S. reserves the right to surveillance. If pursuance of nuclear technology continues, any perpetrating parties will expect full U.S. military action.

A good faith withdrawal to remove U.S. military presence from the region could begin immediately.

That would be the best foreign policy for the people, but the Military Industrial Complex runs the government. The best policy for them is perpetual war so they can keep making profits. Politicians tell the people "mission accomplished," then they have to invent a new mission to keep the money rolling in.

[mhgaffney]

The problem with perpetual war is that it eventually spins out of control.

Russia is moving now to defend its deep sea port in Syria. Looks like a potential trigger is developing for a major war. (Which -- could easily go nuclear.)

I also detect a recent shift. Looks like the banksters are going to dump Obama in favor of Romney -- and given Romney's servile posture toward Bibi Netanyahu -- this will mean war for sure.

MHG

Russia sending air, sea defenses to Syria

http://www.twincities.com/national/ci_20870272/russia-sending-air-sea-defenses-syria

By Andrew E. Kramer
New York Times
Posted: 06/15/2012 12:01:00 AM CDT
Updated: 06/15/2012 11:12:18 PM CDT

MOSCOW -- Russia's chief arms exporter said Friday, June 15, that his company was shipping advanced defensive missile systems to Syria that could be used to shoot down airplanes or sink ships if the United States or other Western nations try to intervene to halt the country's spiral of violence.

"I would like to say these mechanisms are really a good means of defense, a reliable defense against attacks from the air or sea," Anatoly Isaykin, the general director of company, Rosoboronexport, said Friday. "This is not a threat, but whoever is planning an attack should think about this."

As the weapons systems are not considered cutting edge, Isaykin's disclosures carried greater symbolic import than military significance. They contributed to a cold war chill that has been settling over relations between Washington and Moscow ahead a meeting between President Barack Obama and President Vladimir Putin, their first, on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit meeting in the Mexican resort of Los Cabos next week.

His remarks come just days after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton raised diplomatic pressure on Russia, Syria's patron, by criticizing the Kremlin for sending attack helicopters to Damascus, and amid reports that Moscow was sending an amphibious landing vessel and a small company of marines to the Syrian port of Tartus, to provide security for military installations and infrastructure.

George Little, a Defense Department spokesman, declined to

comment on Isaykin's remarks.
Alexander Golts, an independent military analyst in Moscow, said the Russians' discussion of weapons shipments "undoubtedly" serves as a warning to Western countries contemplating an intervention.

"Russia uses these statements as a form of deterrence in Syria," he said. "They show other countries that they are more likely to suffer losses."

Throughout the Syrian crisis, Russia has insisted that all its arms sales to the isolated government of Bashar Assad have been defensive in nature and were not being used in the Syrian leader's vicious campaign to suppress the opposition.

Isaykin underlined the point, but in a way that could also be interpreted as a warning to the West against undertaking the military action of the sort that ousted Moammar Gadhafi from power in Libya, something that Putin viewed as a breach of sovereignty that he does not want repeated.

Yet, as news reports of government massacres emerge almost daily from Syria, the prospect of the United States or NATO acting unilaterally has become a more frequently discussed option, particularly given Russia's adamant refusal to authorize more aggressive U.N. action.

Isaykin, a powerful figure in Russia's military industry, openly discussed the weapons being shipped to Syria: the Pantsyr-S1, a radar-guided missile and artillery system capable of hitting warplanes at altitudes well above those typically flown during bombing sorties, and up to 12 miles away; Buk-M2 anti-aircraft missiles, capable of striking airplanes at even higher altitudes, up to 82,000 feet, and at longer ranges; and land-based Bastion anti-ship missiles that can fire at targets 180 miles from the coast.

Military analysts immediately questioned the effectiveness of the air defenses Russia has made available to the Middle East, including Syria, none of which have offered even token resistance to Western forces.

Ruslan Aliyev, an authority on military affairs at the Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, said that statements by Isaykin and others were issued principally for political effect. Moscow has declined to supply Syria with its most lethal air defense, the S-300 long-range missile system.

[DenverBrit]

The problem with perpetual war is that it eventually spins out of control.

Russia is moving now to defend its deep sea port in Syria. Looks like a potential trigger is developing for a major war. (Which -- could easily go nuclear.)

I also detect a recent shift. Looks like the banksters are going to dump Obama in favor of Romney -- and given Romney's servile posture toward Bibi Netanyahu -- this will mean war for sure.

MHG



How many wars have you erroneously predicted??

[W*GS]

How many wars have you erroneously predicted??

About a dozen. Teheran (and now Damascus, apparently) are due to be radioactive craters Any Day Now.

[W*GS]

Which -- could easily go nuclear.

This makes gaffe get all gooey and sticky... Ewwww.

http://howmanyarethere.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nuclear-weapon.jpg

[DenverBrit]

This makes gaffe get all gooey and sticky... Ewwww.

http://howmanyarethere.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nuclear-weapon.jpg

He does love to promote the idea that war might take place any moment and it will go nuclear.

I can't tell if he's a war monger or just another Drama Queen.

Either way, he does appear to relish the prospect.

[W*GS]

He does love to promote the idea that war might take place any moment and it will go nuclear.

I can't tell if he's a war monger or just another Drama Queen.

Either way, he does appear to relish the prospect.

gaffe is one of the most hate-filled and ignorant people I've come across on the Intertubes.

And he calls himself a "peace activist".

The disconnect is truly amazing.

[cutthemdown]

Russia is propping up Syria, making a power play that reminds the world of the Soviet era. Make no mistake the Soviets see it like this. Egypt was Americas puppet, they let them fall. Syria is our puppet, we save them, build a base there for our ships.

[mhgaffney]

Actually, I've been warning about a global war since 1989 when my book was released about Israel's top secret nuclear weapons program. The writing was on the wall then -- and has only gotten more clear.

We will be dragged into it by the Zionists and their neo con and neo lib allies. The war machine must grind on.

Also -- Iran has moved away from the US petro dollar -- and now trades oil for gold -- another sign of what is to come. We saw the same pattern with Saddam and Ghadaffi.

Today there is not a dime's worth of difference between Billary and out and out fascists like Sen Lieberman (D - CT).

Ron Paul has apparently abandoned his supporters. Obama served up the people of Wisconsin to governor Walker -- a relative of Bush.

Both parties are dead.

For my cautionary warnings -- I am branded a hate filled anti semite. This is the lingo of Newspeak -- the Orwellian nightmare where war is peace and propaganda is reality.

To me it's a badge of honor.

Dare to speak the truth today in Amerikka and you will be attacked and smeared. Such is the topsy turvy world we now inhabit.

[mhgaffney]

Russia is propping up Syria, making a power play that reminds the world of the Soviet era. Make no mistake the Soviets see it like this. Egypt was Americas puppet, they let them fall. Syria is our puppet, we save them, build a base there for our ships.

Soviets? Today?

[DenverBrit]

Actually, I've been warning about a global war since 1989 when my book was released about Israel's top secret nuclear weapons program. The writing was on the wall then -- and has only gotten more clear.

We will be dragged into it by the Zionists and their neo con and neo lib allies. The war machine must grind on.

Also -- Iran has moved away from the US petro dollar -- and now trades oil for gold -- another sign of what is to come. We saw the same pattern with Saddam and Ghadaffi.

Today there is not a dime's worth of difference between Billary and out and out fascists like Sen Lieberman (D - CT).

Ron Paul has apparently abandoned his supporters. Obama served up the people of Wisconsin to governor Walker -- a relative of Bush.

Both parties are dead.

For my cautionary warnings -- I am branded a hate filled anti semite. This is the lingo of Newspeak -- the Orwellian nightmare where war is peace and propaganda is reality.

To me it's a badge of honor.

Dare to speak the truth today in Amerikka and you will be attacked and smeared. Such is the topsy turvy world we now inhabit.


Only Gaffeny would be daft to admit his predictions have been nonsense for more than two decades. And then boast about it. 8')

[W*GS]

Only Gaffeny would be daft to admit his predictions have been nonsense for more than two decades. And then boast about it. 8')

My estimation of him hasn't changed.

He's an arrogant, ignorant misanthrope with a Messiah complex.

The day he passes, the cumulative humanity of Homo sapiens will increase noticeably.

[mhgaffney]

Only Gaffeny would be daft to admit his predictions have been nonsense for more than two decades. And then boast about it. 8')

Brit is a stereotypic ignorant American.

Back during the Vietnam War we actually had news coverage of the war -- I mean front line reporting. The American people saw the blood and horror on the tube -- and this helped turned the nation against the war.

But we live in a different world, today. Even not counting Iraq -- the US in now fighting wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, and we have forces in Columbia and God-only-knows where else.

We are now arming rebels in Syria who look to be Al Qaeda

The US runs as any as 800 military bases world wide --

Who are we fighting against? Good question. We supposedly invaded Afghanistan to fight al Qaeda -- but we used al Qaeda in Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Libya, and now in Syria.

You figure it out.

I have been warning that this perpetual war will explode into a much wider global war -- and that concern is soundly based, conservative, even.

MHG

[DenverBrit]

Brit is a stereotypic ignorant American.

Back during the Vietnam War we actually had news coverage of the war -- I mean front line reporting. The American people saw the blood and horror on the tube -- and this helped turned the nation against the war.

But we live in a different world, today. Even not counting Iraq -- the US in now fighting wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, and we have forces in Columbia and God-only-knows where else.

We are now arming rebels in Syria who look to be Al Qaeda

The US runs as any as 800 military bases world wide --

Who are we fighting against? Good question. We supposedly invaded Afghanistan to fight al Qaeda -- but we used al Qaeda in Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Libya, and now in Syria.

You figure it out.

I have been warning that this perpetual war will explode into a much wider global war -- and that concern is soundly based, conservative, even.

MHG

That's a lot of bluster to say: "I've been wrong for more than 20 years."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[El Minion]

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Sharia law = Evangelical orthodoxy, e.g. Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore and his placement of the 10 commandments in the rotunda of Alabama's state judicial building.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Moore_monument.jpg



No difference between these two:
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[mhgaffney]

Sharia law = Evangelical orthodoxy, e.g. Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore and his placement of the 10 commandments in the rotunda of Alabama's state judicial building.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Moore_monument.jpg



No difference between these two:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vW1GG83Zr1U/Sf1d3KtEnFI/AAAAAAAACmU/aIyE5pSGVVY/s400/IMAM_K1.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Jerry_Falwell_portrait.jpg/457px-Jerry_Falwell_portrait.jpg

Exactly right.

But there was a difference. Falwell never got close to being president. Whereas Khomenie became supreme leader of Iran.

His rise to power was only possible because of US treachery.

[orangeatheist]

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[cutthemdown]

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Nice!. Playing in a horn section that big is my dream.