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footstepsfrom#27
06-09-2012, 11:12 AM
Like everyone else I was waiting for a Pacuiao vs. Mayweather fight but I think this one might be better. Most people aren't giving Tim Bradley much chance against Pacquiao I guess but I can't wait for this fight...I think it's gonne be a real battle. Ordinarily I couldn't bring myself to pick against PacMan but I'm really impressed with Tim Bradley, not just what he's done in the ring but his focus and who this guy is outisde the ring as well and he seems like a pretty good dude. The HBO pre-fight stuff is on a couple times today...watch it if you get the chance.

That said..man I gotta go with Bradley this time. He's younger, stronger and probably as fast as Pacquiao...edge to PacMan in punching power but Bradley hits harder than people think. If you saw the weigh in this morning, Bradley is freaking CUT. He's a naturally bigger, more muscular man and he's very hungry. Not that this means he'll win but he's definitely in great shape and claims he's traihned harder for this fight than any previous one. I love what Pacquiao's done but father time catches up to everyone and his last fight against Juan Manuel Marquez demonstrated that at 33 he may finally be showing signs of slowing down. Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach was mouthing off saying Bradley won't win a round but his fighter seemed a little less sure when asked how he planned to beat him.

What do you think?

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 11:35 AM
Yep....this is going to be a good fight.

I'll reluctantly take Paq in a 12 round war, but in his last fight I saw some chinks in the armor.

I wonder if Paq's mind is in the right place, as he looks uninterested and distracted to me?

footstepsfrom#27
06-09-2012, 12:12 PM
Pacquiao camp is blaming his lackluster performance last time out on marital troubles apparently solved now...doesn't sound promising even if true. I like the fight to go the distance though.

Pontius Pirate
06-09-2012, 05:28 PM
Yep....this is going to be a good fight.

I'll reluctantly take Paq in a 12 round war, but in his last fight I saw some chinks in the armor.

I wonder if Paq's mind is in the right place, as he looks uninterested and distracted to me?

EASY THERE ANTHONY FEDERICO

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 05:32 PM
bwahaha....I realized that when I was writing it and wondered if anyone would notice.

spdirty
06-09-2012, 07:03 PM
I heard jinkee told him she was leaving him the night of the fight. That has to screw with a guys head. Hope PAC is at his best tonight. He's gonna need to be.

BroncoDoug
06-09-2012, 08:00 PM
any online feeds?

Tankgunner95
06-09-2012, 08:06 PM
any online feeds?

I need one as well

Spider
06-09-2012, 08:13 PM
Paq has to make up for his last fight and he will....goes the distance but paq will be the clear winner

Spider
06-09-2012, 08:14 PM
I need one as well

Same here

LongDongJohnson
06-09-2012, 08:15 PM
I got the heat.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 08:21 PM
I haven't had any luck finding a feed yet.

spdirty
06-09-2012, 08:29 PM
Geez manny...why do you even care about a ****in basketball game...get your ass in there!

spdirty
06-09-2012, 08:38 PM
Manny, you aren't making me happy. :(

FantomForce
06-09-2012, 08:39 PM
firstrowsports.eu bastards got smart they got shut down by the U.S. government, so they went out and created .eu

Rocket 7
06-09-2012, 08:40 PM
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/54220/2/manny-pacquiao-vs-timothy-bradley---wbo-welterweight-title-live-stream-online.html

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 08:46 PM
Awesome!

BroncoDoug
06-09-2012, 08:55 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/126042/2/watch-boxing:-manny-pacquiao-vs-timothy-bradley.html

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:13 PM
I'll give the first round to Paq.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:17 PM
I'd say it's even through 2 rounds.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:21 PM
I'd say Paq takes Round 3.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:25 PM
Paq takes Round 4....and had Bradley hurt in the round.

spdirty
06-09-2012, 09:29 PM
Bradley won't last 12 rounds...he's already worn out.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:29 PM
Manny dominating and wins Round 5.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Manny has been turning it on in the last minute of every round.

BroncoDoug
06-09-2012, 09:33 PM
Yeah this is all pac man so far

Cmac821
06-09-2012, 09:35 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/126042/2/watch-boxing:-manny-pacquiao-vs-timothy-bradley.html

Best feed number? I am on 4 and doesn't seem to bad just curious if there is better

Edit: Always thought my thousand post mark would be so much better

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:37 PM
Through 7 rounds, I'd say Manny has won 6 of them.

FantomForce
06-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Best feed number? I am on 4 and doesn't seem to bad just curious if there is better

been using link 1 working just fine on my end

StugotsIII
06-09-2012, 09:41 PM
Boxing…..lame.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:45 PM
I'll give Round 9 to Paq.

Tankgunner95
06-09-2012, 09:47 PM
Pac-man is just better.......the end.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:53 PM
10 rounds to 1 for Manny through 11 rounds on my scorecard.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 09:59 PM
I've got it scored 119-109 for Manny Pacquiao.

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 10:00 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me?

spdirty
06-09-2012, 10:00 PM
**** this bull****!!! **** boxing!!!! There is no ****ing way Bradley won this. Absolute horse ****!

Tankgunner95
06-09-2012, 10:01 PM
That's crazy

BroncoDoug
06-09-2012, 10:01 PM
wow, terrible call... just wow

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 10:01 PM
Manny Pacquiao got jobbed....no lube.

theAPAOps5
06-09-2012, 10:01 PM
Further proof boxing is a sham

Drunk Monkey
06-09-2012, 10:01 PM
Yup, Boxing sucks. A big WTF to that decision. And people wonder why the sport is in free fall.

Tankgunner95
06-09-2012, 10:02 PM
F@CK BOXING!!!

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 10:02 PM
I like boxing, but that is a mother ****ing joke.

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:03 PM
Paq won that fight ... ****ing fix was on .....

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 10:04 PM
There is no excuse or rationale for that decision.

I'm insulted as a fan....what a farce.

spdirty
06-09-2012, 10:04 PM
The 2 judges that jobbed manny should never judge a fight again.

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:04 PM
It wasnt even close .....

TDmvp
06-09-2012, 10:06 PM
Crap like that is why boxing is about on it's last legs.

Tankgunner95
06-09-2012, 10:07 PM
I don't understand how this happens.. it had to be.fixed!!

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:07 PM
Hard to take this ......

gunns
06-09-2012, 10:08 PM
Were those Judges last names Mayweather?

spdirty
06-09-2012, 10:08 PM
I'm in a house full of Filipinos right now...they're ready to riot right now.

Ratboy
06-09-2012, 10:08 PM
I will never watch another boxing match in my life.

Tankgunner95
06-09-2012, 10:08 PM
Hell even Bradley's wife thought he lost the fight.

g6matty
06-09-2012, 10:09 PM
mayweather wont ever fight paq now.. he will say "he cant even beat bradley how would he beat me"

broncocalijohn
06-09-2012, 10:09 PM
LOL! The only way they can now make money is on rematches. The promotors have ****ed up this sport so bad that fans flocked to MMA. Why I would never pay for fights anymore. I can't remember last time a friend invited people over to pay and watch a fight.

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:09 PM
This has mafia fix wrote all over it

SouthStndJunkie
06-09-2012, 10:10 PM
I'm pissed off about this on general principle.

Ratboy
06-09-2012, 10:11 PM
I don't understand how this happens.. it had to be.fixed!!

No question about it.

They need to do a investigation.

I'll stick to UFC.

gunns
06-09-2012, 10:11 PM
mayweather wont ever fight paq now.. he will say "he cant even beat bradley how would he beat me"

That's why I have to wonder about the Judges names. Mayweather is scared ****less Pac will end his run.

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:13 PM
Slap in the face to boxing fans .....

wolf754life
06-09-2012, 10:13 PM
That's why I have to wonder about the Judges names. Mayweather is scared ****less Pac will end his run.


Comedy...........Mayweather destroys Paq

TDmvp
06-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I lost 99% of my interest in boxing after Lewis got jobbed hardcore vs Holyfield and they called it a draw. Basically to set up a rematch I figured.

I didn't like either of those guys but Evander got it handed to him that night and the judges totally hosed Lewis. Much like in tonight's fight.


It's became a joke. Might as well be WWE for all we know with the way stuff goes down.

DHallblows
06-09-2012, 10:15 PM
oooooh boxing. This is why you've become irrelevant.

Dana White is so happy right now. More fighting fans going to a less ridiculous sport.

TDmvp
06-09-2012, 10:15 PM
oooooh boxing. This is why you've become irrelevant.

Dana White is so happy right now. More fighting fans going to a less ridiculous sport.

Pretty much DH.

Connecticut Bronco Fan
06-09-2012, 10:16 PM
Probably the worst decision in a fight I've ever seen.

Guess I'll stick to UFC from now on, boxing lost me tonight, wow.

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:18 PM
Broken foot my ass

spdirty
06-09-2012, 10:19 PM
If manny ever fights again it should be in the philippines...**** em.

broncocalijohn
06-09-2012, 10:19 PM
Slap in the face to boxing fan .....

Correction..

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:21 PM
Correction..

I know you think your being funny .....But you got a long ways to go

broncocalijohn
06-09-2012, 10:30 PM
I know you think your being funny .....But you got a long ways to go

So who else is the boxing fan after today besides you? You actually going to comment and respond on my feelings (and others) of the state of Boxing after this fight? Dude, this would be a horrible time to try to back boxing after this debacle. Throat punching isn't a sport or called boxing so not sure what is your point. Mine is spot on.

myMind
06-09-2012, 10:33 PM
What?!? I watched the stream and closed it before the decision because it was obviously Manny's fight, without question. **** boxing, this has to be one of the most blatant fixes in history. Boxing is dead. Good riddance, yuk!

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:35 PM
So who else is the boxing fan after today besides you? You actually going to comment and respond on my feelings (and others) of the state of Boxing after this fight? Dude, this would be a horrible time to try to back boxing after this debacle. Throat punching isn't a sport or called boxing so not sure what is your point. Mine is spot on.

I aint defending anything you idiot ....pretty sure i am not the only boxing fan on earth you twit so spare me the long winded bullshiat

StugotsIII
06-09-2012, 10:36 PM
Hahahahahaha…..boxing sucks.

Bacchus
06-09-2012, 10:37 PM
The 2 judges that jobbed manny should never judge a fight again.

They don't care, they got their money.

Spider
06-09-2012, 10:40 PM
They don't care, they got their money.

Yeah ....I would like to see these judges investigated then suspended

gunns
06-09-2012, 10:40 PM
Comedy...........Mayweather destroys Paq

Well I doubt you ever get to prove that opinion because Mayweather keeps delaying that fight. Going to pull a Roy Jones and wait till he's got little left and then use that as an excuse when/if he fights Pac and loses? Hmmm, why is that? Been watching boxing since the early Ali days and Mayweather is one of the poorest excuses for a champion there's been. But then again, current boxing is an poor excuse from what it was and is supposed to be. Maybe that's why the fight went the way it did tonight....they are afraid to lose the media champion.

El Jué
06-09-2012, 10:50 PM
Promoter Bob Arum fumed, the crowd at the MGM Grand arena booed, and Pacquiao seemed stunned when the decision was announced. Arum said there would be a November rematch, though he blasted the way the decision went down. "I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous," Arum said.

myMind
06-09-2012, 10:52 PM
Key words: "I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch,

I am really starting to despise the levels of greed people will go to.
****ing disgusting.

Lestat
06-09-2012, 11:33 PM
this was no worse than when Marquez got jobbed against Manny. there wasn't nearly this much outrage with that result and Marquez won that fight.

Manny got jobbed but it's what happens when a greedy bastard like Arum is involved in the fights.

spdirty
06-09-2012, 11:49 PM
this was no worse than when Marquez got jobbed against Manny. there wasn't nearly this much outrage with that result and Marquez won that fight.

Manny got jobbed but it's what happens when a greedy bastard like Arum is involved in the fights.

Oh bull****. Manny had the edge in punches landed, power punches, and the eye test, especially after seeing what they both looked like after the fight. That was close, might have gone either way, IF Marquez had hadn't fought like Josh Clottey the last 3 rounds. But to say that Marquez was the clear cut winner in that one didn't watch that fight. Add to that the fact that Marquez basically gave the last 3 rounds to Manny after his idiot trainer told him he was winning and shouldnt take any risks.

Spider
06-09-2012, 11:56 PM
Oh bull****. Manny had the edge in punches landed, power punches, and the eye test, especially after seeing what they both looked like after the fight. That was close, might have gone either way, IF Marquez had hadn't fought like Josh Clottey the last 3 rounds. But to say that Marquez was the clear cut winner in that one didn't watch that fight. Add to that the fact that Marquez basically gave the last 3 rounds to Manny after his idiot trainer told him he was winning and shouldnt take any risks.

Agreed ....

IHaveALight
06-10-2012, 12:10 AM
Clearly you guys underestimate the power of vegan karma.

Bacchus
06-10-2012, 12:24 AM
this was no worse than when Marquez got jobbed against Manny. there wasn't nearly this much outrage with that result and Marquez won that fight.

Manny got jobbed but it's what happens when a greedy bastard like Arum is involved in the fights.

oh, well that makes it ok then.:nutkick

RhymesayersDU
06-10-2012, 01:07 AM
Just got home, pretty drunk, but holy **** was that decision ridiculous.

NUB
06-10-2012, 03:09 AM
Looks like Arum wins again!

Elway 4 Life
06-10-2012, 05:17 AM
Arum = Don King. With douchebags like this in boxing the sport is doomed.

CHANGSTER
06-10-2012, 05:48 AM
Still in disbelief. WTF!

gunns
06-10-2012, 06:11 AM
Promoter Bob Arum fumed, the crowd at the MGM Grand arena booed, and Pacquiao seemed stunned when the decision was announced. Arum said there would be a November rematch, though he blasted the way the decision went down. "I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous," Arum said.

If this doesn't say it was fixed, nothing does. Arum can act as fumed as he wants. How does he know there will be a rematch in November? Unless it was negotiated before hand, he doesn't. If it was done before hand, how much money would be made if Pac had come down as the winner? Not much. Unbelievable. Sad what has happened to boxing.

spdirty
06-10-2012, 06:17 AM
"Can you believe that? Unbelievable," Arum said. "I went over to Bradley before the decision and he said, `I tried hard but I couldn't beat the guy.' "

:oyvey:

RhymesayersDU
06-10-2012, 08:21 AM
If this doesn't say it was fixed, nothing does. Arum can act as fumed as he wants. How does he know there will be a rematch in November? Unless it was negotiated before hand, he doesn't. If it was done before hand, how much money would be made if Pac had come down as the winner? Not much. Unbelievable. Sad what has happened to boxing.

It was negotiated beforehand, FWIW.

From an ESPN article:

Pacquiao has a rematch clause in his contract, and the date was already determined to be Nov. 10 in the event of a rematch.

I'm not saying it wasn't fixed, just an FYI.

yerner
06-10-2012, 08:23 AM
Mayweather pretty much called it awhile ago.

RaiderH8r
06-10-2012, 08:53 AM
Comedy...........Mayweather destroys Paq

Unlike Mayweather's women, Paq hits back.

Spider
06-10-2012, 09:00 AM
Rematchs are always nego before a title fight ....so that isnt news ...the fight was clearly fixed

Lestat
06-10-2012, 09:12 AM
Oh bull****. Manny had the edge in punches landed, power punches, and the eye test, especially after seeing what they both looked like after the fight. That was close, might have gone either way, IF Marquez had hadn't fought like Josh Clottey the last 3 rounds. But to say that Marquez was the clear cut winner in that one didn't watch that fight. Add to that the fact that Marquez basically gave the last 3 rounds to Manny after his idiot trainer told him he was winning and shouldnt take any risks.

i didn't say he was the clear winner but he won that fight over Pac, last 3 rounds or not.
a bad decision is a bad decision no different than the other. cause in the end one fighter gets screwed, but at the same time this is why the phrase is so common to say "don't let it get to the judges."

Manny got screwed in the fight but you can't argue for his Marquez win and then cry about his Bradley loss.
that'd be like us cheering by winning on a miracle catch with 0 secs left on the clock and then getting pissed off because we lose a game on a Calvin Johnson type catch and then fumble out of bounds by our WR.

Spider
06-10-2012, 09:18 AM
i didn't say he was the clear winner but he won that fight over Pac, last 3 rounds or not.
a bad decision is a bad decision no different than the other. cause in the end one fighter gets screwed, but at the same time this is why the phrase is so common to say "don't let it get to the judges."

Manny got screwed in the fight but you can't argue for his Marquez win and then cry about his Bradley loss.
that'd be like us cheering by winning on a miracle catch with 0 secs left on the clock and then getting pissed off because we lose a game on a Calvin Johnson type catch and then fumble out of bounds by our WR.

Well paq won both fights ..Marquez and Bradly ...The Bradly fight wasnt even close....The last 3 rounds are called championship rounds for a reason ...Boxing should go back to 15 round fights ...

OrangeSe7en
06-10-2012, 10:09 AM
I haven't seen the fight so I don't know if Pacquiao was jobbed. But one of the things that bothers me is how the media keeps spoonfeeding us/me controversy by citing compubox numbers. The problem with this is that fights are judged by rounds. It's possible for Pacquiao to dominate in 5 rounds but for Bradley to win all 7 of the rounds that were close. In this scenario, the compilation of the compubox numbers would skew analysis since the fight is won by winning rounds. It's not an aggregate accumulation of punches.

Lestat
06-10-2012, 10:40 AM
Well paq won both fights ..Marquez and Bradly ...The Bradly fight wasnt even close....The last 3 rounds are called championship rounds for a reason ...Boxing should go back to 15 round fights ...

he did not beat Marquez, that's bull****.

Hulamau
06-10-2012, 10:43 AM
Yeah ....I would like to see these judges investigated then suspended

That was the saddest excuse for judging a fight I've seen in a LOOONG time! Manny handed it to him and was never hurt in the slightest. Manny had almost double the punches connected and the majority of Barkley's shots bounced off Manny's arms in any event...

Rig job from the word go! Was all about setting up the rematch where Manny will take him out ..

Spider
06-10-2012, 10:58 AM
he did not beat Marquez, that's bull****.

Whats bullshiat is you thinking paq lost that fight .....you tell me how many iimes Marquez hit the canvas in all 3 fights

Spider
06-10-2012, 11:00 AM
That was the saddest excuse for judging a fight I've seen in a LOOONG time! Manny handed it to him and was never hurt in the slightest. Manny had almost double the punches connected and the majority of Barkley's shots bounced off Manny's arms in any event...

Rig job from the word go! Was all about setting up the rematch where Manny will take him out ..

Agreed .... even the Holyfield -Lewis fight was closer then this and Lewis got robbed

Jason in LA
06-10-2012, 11:04 AM
Promoter Bob Arum fumed, the crowd at the MGM Grand arena booed, and Pacquiao seemed stunned when the decision was announced. Arum said there would be a November rematch, though he blasted the way the decision went down. "I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous," Arum said.

Arum's comment was very interesting. Either he had this thing fixed so he could make a lot of money in a rematch, or he's embarrassed because everybody is going to think it's a fix, so he has to say something to acknowledge what happened. If he came out and supported the decision and tried to explain why it was a good decision, he'd lose all credibility, if he has any at all. So it was a comment that he had to make, because he had some clean up to do.

I'll play conspiracy theory for a second. I'd say that the fix was in, by Arum because he wants a rematch, and possibly a third fight, but he was probably hoping that Bradley could make it close enough so that it wouldn't look horrible when the judges gave him the fight. If the fight was close, then Arum would have something to work with when he did his spin job. But the fight wasn't even close, so now Arum has some major cleaning up to do.

I'm personally not interested in seeing a rematch. If it were close than I would be interested in seeing it again, which I'm sure is what Arum was hoping for. But why pay money just to see the judges make things right? So I'm out.

If Arum did fix this, it was probably to get a couple final big pay days out of Manny's career. The Mayweather thing wasn't happening, so Arum went to plan B.

If this Manny/Mayweather thing ever happens, and Mayweather is still undefeated, Manny can forget that 50/50 split now, and he can blame his own promoter for that (if Arum is behind this). Arum screwed him big time.

Spider
06-10-2012, 11:06 AM
I haven't seen the fight so I don't know if Pacquiao was jobbed. But one of the things that bothers me is how the media keeps spoonfeeding us/me controversy by citing compubox numbers. The problem with this is that fights are judged by rounds. It's possible for Pacquiao to dominate in 5 rounds but for Bradley to win all 7 of the rounds that were close. In this scenario, the compilation of the compubox numbers would skew analysis since the fight is won by winning rounds. It's not an aggregate accumulation of punches.

Agreed ...very flawed system ..I would like to see a more uniformed code on how boxing is scored ,for example one judge will score more for ring generalship while another judge is scoring on power punches and another on counter punching ...all very legit things to score on but those things should make up the score ,not br the score alone .....

spdirty
06-10-2012, 11:54 AM
i didn't say he was the clear winner but he won that fight over Pac, last 3 rounds or not.
a bad decision is a bad decision no different than the other. cause in the end one fighter gets screwed, but at the same time this is why the phrase is so common to say "don't let it get to the judges."

Manny got screwed in the fight but you can't argue for his Marquez win and then cry about his Bradley loss.
that'd be like us cheering by winning on a miracle catch with 0 secs left on the clock and then getting pissed off because we lose a game on a Calvin Johnson type catch and then fumble out of bounds by our WR.

Look, I won't make any bones about it. I'm not a boxing fan. I'm a Pacquiao fan. But I watched that fight twice. First as a nervous Pac fan, the second as a neutral observer. What I saw was a very even fight through 9 rounds. Could have been 5-4 either way. Marquez, you could make an argument that he might have been winning, but he wasn't dominating the fight by any stretch. After the 9th round his trainer had him believing that he was dominating the fight, basically shutting Manny out. But lets just say it was 5-4 Marquez, which I don't think it was. You can't possibly watch those last 3 rounds and say Marquez won a single one of them. If it was a 9 round fight then fine. But Marquez didn't win. Add to that that Manny was the aggressor the whole fight. But Marquez went ultraconservapuss the last 3 rounds because he did not want to make a mistake and get knocked out, gave Manny the last 3 rounds, and for that he did not deserve to win.

But Manny was the aggressor the entire fight. Even if you don't look at the concubox, if you just watch the fight you can see that Marquez didn't get jobbed.

Just because Marquez stormed out, did his post fight interview naked and whined like a bitch doesn't mean he got jobbed. It just means he listened to his idiot trainer through 9 rounds and gave a very even fight away.

OrangeSe7en
06-10-2012, 12:22 PM
Agreed ...very flawed system ..I would like to see a more uniformed code on how boxing is scored ,for example one judge will score more for ring generalship while another judge is scoring on power punches and another on counter punching ...all very legit things to score on but those things should make up the score ,not br the score alone .....

Or, another thing they can do is to reveal the judges scoring after each round to the TV audience and those in the arena. This way the judges would be accountable in that theyd have to listen to the boos.

knuckleballah22
06-10-2012, 12:54 PM
judges were drunk

Spider
06-10-2012, 02:55 PM
Or, another thing they can do is to reveal the judges scoring after each round to the TV audience and those in the arena. This way the judges would be accountable in that theyd have to listen to the boos.

Worth looking into thats for sure

cutthemdown
06-10-2012, 03:11 PM
I just watched the fight, holy cow worst decision ever.

Bacchus
06-10-2012, 03:18 PM
I haven't seen the fight so I don't know if Pacquiao was jobbed. But one of the things that bothers me is how the media keeps spoonfeeding us/me controversy by citing compubox numbers. The problem with this is that fights are judged by rounds. It's possible for Pacquiao to dominate in 5 rounds but for Bradley to win all 7 of the rounds that were close. In this scenario, the compilation of the compubox numbers would skew analysis since the fight is won by winning rounds. It's not an aggregate accumulation of punches.

I would be much happier if the judges could look at the compubox numbers at the end of each round. If the guy lands more punches, a higher percentage of punches and the greater number of hard blows than who cares if he was the aggressor or not.

Get rid of judges altogether and just go by compubox.

Jason in LA
06-10-2012, 03:22 PM
I can see the point about not putting too much stock in compubox numbers. It doesn't always say who won the fight, but I think it is a measuring tool... but not for the judges. For the judges it is not a factor because they don't see the numbers, which is why it can't be totally relied on to tell the story of the fight.

Even by tossing out the compubox numbers, from what I read about the scores from press row, who I assume do not see the compubox numbers as they are filling in their scorecard, or hear the television commentators, they all had Manny winning the fight easy. From the range of 9-3 to 11-1. When I was watching it, there was only one round that I really thought Bradley could have won. But if a judge gave him a few rounds, I could see that. But to give the guy 7 rounds? Based on what?

I'd say that compubox numbers don't make the argument for Manny winning, it just strengthens the argument. Compubox numbers in this case backs up what most people saw.

Jason in LA
06-10-2012, 03:24 PM
One other thing about compubox numbers. I look at the power punches as more of a measuring stick, because some boxer can get the jab going and throw off the numbers. He can pile up a lot of punch stats without hurting the opponent. But when a fighter lands more total punches and more power punches, usually that fighter is going to win.

OrangeSe7en
06-10-2012, 04:13 PM
I would be much happier if the judges could look at the compubox numbers at the end of each round. If the guy lands more punches, a higher percentage of punches and the greater number of hard blows than who cares if he was the aggressor or not.

Get rid of judges altogether and just go by compubox.

Or they can let people judge the fight at home. Make it like people who are Nielsen homes where their names are kept secret so they're shielded from influence. Both having them be anonymous and having hundreds or thousands of juges could also make it harder to corrupt.

OrangeSe7en
06-10-2012, 04:16 PM
One other thing about compubox numbers. I look at the power punches as more of a measuring stick, because some boxer can get the jab going and throw off the numbers. He can pile up a lot of punch stats without hurting the opponent. But when a fighter lands more total punches and more power punches, usually that fighter is going to win.

There's nothing wrong with jabs though. The scoring shouldnt be weigthed so heavily in favor of power punch numbers where it leads to fights where it's just two guys trying to load up against each other.

spdirty
06-10-2012, 04:29 PM
Or they can let people judge the fight at home. Make it like people who are Nielsen homes where their names are kept secret so they're shielded from influence. Both having them be anonymous and having hundreds or thousands of juges could also make it harder to corrupt.

Yeah...but Mayweather wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell if that were the scoring system against Pacquiao. That type of scoring would go to the more popular boxer.

There has to be a way to make sure this is on the up and up. But boxing as a professional sport is so screwed up as it is its ridiculous. Worse than college football. Needs to be a unified league, like MMA, and that league would decide who fights who and when. There would then be a good level of interest in fights that don't have Pac-Man and Mayweather in them. When those 2 retire, the sport is dead as a big money sport. And I won't shed a frickin tear when it is.

footstepsfrom#27
06-11-2012, 06:27 AM
I haven't seen the fight so I don't know if Pacquiao was jobbed. But one of the things that bothers me is how the media keeps spoonfeeding us/me controversy by citing compubox numbers. The problem with this is that fights are judged by rounds. It's possible for Pacquiao to dominate in 5 rounds but for Bradley to win all 7 of the rounds that were close. In this scenario, the compilation of the compubox numbers would skew analysis since the fight is won by winning rounds. It's not an aggregate accumulation of punches.
I didn't get to see it either as I was stuck in Chicago after I missed a flight but I read the same explanation. I'm no boxing expert but it occurs to me that the system of scoring number of rounds won ought to be balanced...supposedly it is weighed against damage. They're saying Bradley has torn ligaments in his foot and not sure about the other one. If in fact that's true...whether he won or not in reality that's a tough SOB if he fought the fight on injured feet. I definitely want to see the rematch assuming there is one since Arum is now saying there won't be unless there's an official investigatin. Boxing's such a shady business though...mix in Vegas for the fight site and that just compounds things. The NBA ref scandal and point shaving stuff leaves you wondering if we have any idea how many sports evetns are fixed.

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 06:40 AM
i didn't say he was the clear winner but he won that fight over Pac, last 3 rounds or not.
a bad decision is a bad decision no different than the other. cause in the end one fighter gets screwed, but at the same time this is why the phrase is so common to say "don't let it get to the judges."

Manny got screwed in the fight but you can't argue for his Marquez win and then cry about his Bradley loss.
that'd be like us cheering by winning on a miracle catch with 0 secs left on the clock and then getting pissed off because we lose a game on a Calvin Johnson type catch and then fumble out of bounds by our WR.

Bull****. A robbery is where one guy CLEARLY beat the other, but doesn't get the decision. There's no way to say that Marquez CLEARLY won any of the three fights with Manny. All three fights were basically a carbon copy of each other. Tons of close rounds that could have legitimately gone either way depending on what you prefer. If you like the guy who presses the action and makes the fight happen, you probably favored Manny. If you appreciate counter punching and accuracy, you probably prefered Marquez. Neither preference is better than the other. The problem for Marquez is that he would have long stretches of inactivity when he would be looking for opportunity to counter, and that looks like Manny is doing all the work, which is going to hurt his cause with some judges. I thought Marquez won the 2nd fight and Manny edged him in the 3rd, but I've got no problem if someone saw it differently. Again, that is NOT the same as a robbbery, and anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of boxing. Manny CLEARLY beat Bradley. Most of the press scores at ringside ranged from 9-3 to 11-1 for Manny. He landed nearly 100 more punches, 83 more power shots, landed the harder punches. THAT'S a robbery, when there is simply no legitimate way to score a fight in favor of the guy who got the decision.

Beantown Bronco
06-11-2012, 07:09 AM
"In pro boxing, you look for damage, and if the punches are equal and the damage is equal, you are looking for effective aggression, and that does not necessarily mean the guy going forward," Ford said. "Effective aggression can be a guy going back. And then you look at ring generalship, and that's all about control.
__________________________________________________ ______________________

Ladies and Gentlemen, apparently the French Army is the most aggressive army in the world.

Jason in LA
06-11-2012, 07:13 AM
"In pro boxing, you look for damage, and if the punches are equal and the damage is equal, you are looking for effective aggression, and that does not necessarily mean the guy going forward," Ford said. "Effective aggression can be a guy going back. And then you look at ring generalship, and that's all about control.
__________________________________________________ ______________________

Ladies and Gentlemen, apparently the French Army is the most aggressive army in the world.

Rep!

Spider
06-11-2012, 07:49 AM
I didn't get to see it either as I was stuck in Chicago after I missed a flight but I read the same explanation. I'm no boxing expert but it occurs to me that the system of scoring number of rounds won ought to be balanced...supposedly it is weighed against damage. They're saying Bradley has torn ligaments in his foot and not sure about the other one. If in fact that's true...whether he won or not in reality that's a tough SOB if he fought the fight on injured feet. I definitely want to see the rematch assuming there is one since Arum is now saying there won't be unless there's an official investigatin. Boxing's such a shady business though...mix in Vegas for the fight site and that just compounds things. The NBA ref scandal and point shaving stuff leaves you wondering if we have any idea how many sports evetns are fixed.

I saw the fight ...no way he had torn ligaments in his foot he was moving and punching without a hobble .... There is just something about bradly and his corner ....not once did i see his corner tell Bradley how to handle Manny .....then claim Bradly had a broken foot ....

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 07:54 AM
"In pro boxing, you look for damage, and if the punches are equal and the damage is equal, you are looking for effective aggression, and that does not necessarily mean the guy going forward," Ford said. "Effective aggression can be a guy going back. And then you look at ring generalship, and that's all about control.
__________________________________________________ ______________________

Ladies and Gentlemen, apparently the French Army is the most aggressive army in the world.

Was this Duane Ford's defense of his horrendous scorecard, or a prior statement he's made?

Beantown Bronco
06-11-2012, 08:08 AM
Was this Duane Ford's defense of his horrendous scorecard, or a prior statement he's made?

defense of scorecard

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--pacquiao-bradley-arum-controvery-investigation-judge-duane-ford-.html

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 08:21 AM
defense of scorecard

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--pacquiao-bradley-arum-controvery-investigation-judge-duane-ford-.html

Thanks.

Ford is full of ****. Manny clearly was landing the more damaging blows throughout the entire fight. Don't give us that utter BS that judging the fight is some kind of art form that us peons at home can't understand. If it were a truly close fight (like Marquez-Pacquiao last November, for instance), the argument would have some merit, but in this instance any fool could see who won the fight. Manny landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds and one of the other two was a tie. If Bradley had been landing the more damaging blows, maybe you could make an argument in his favor even in light of the lower volume, but he didn't. Manny badly hurt Bradley at least twice, and Bradley's punches never bothered Manny at all. I think I read elsewhere that Ford is in his 70s. Time to put him out to pasture.

Garcia Bronco
06-11-2012, 10:23 AM
I knew Bradley would dog this pretender

broncocalijohn
06-11-2012, 11:53 AM
I aint defending anything you idiot ....pretty sure i am not the only boxing fan on earth you twit so spare me the long winded bullshiat

You have become irrelevant and best poster when you were actually gone for awhile. Looking at this thread, you seem mad at me for disrespecting boxing when it is the other way around. Everyone is furious and letting their feelings known. You, want to defend boxing by hacking at my joke hat their is a dwindling number of boxing fans. Deal with it Spider and stop getting butt hurt over it. Sad state of affairs for this sport and if you want to go down with the ship, no loss to the mane...seriously.

broncocalijohn
06-11-2012, 12:01 PM
Agreed ...very flawed system ..I would like to see a more uniformed code on how boxing is scored ,for example one judge will score more for ring generalship while another judge is scoring on power punches and another on counter punching ...all very legit things to score on but those things should make up the score ,not br the score alone .....

How about they publically have their score shown after the first 5 or 6 rounds. Then they have to put their scores in to a 3rd party system so they can't change it later like what happened about 10 years or so ago in NY/NJ. Those two judges were everyday people that didnt know sheat about boxing. THe even saw the eraser marks of a round changed to have the outcome come to their "fixed liking". Problem was that round changed score of 8-10 was actually a knockdown by the other opponent...OOps, should at least know what round you are going to change after the bout. Boxing = fraud.

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 12:24 PM
I knew Bradley would dog this pretender

That ain't what happened, the utterly absurd opinion of two judges aside.

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 12:27 PM
How about they publically have their score shown after the first 5 or 6 rounds. Then they have to put their scores in to a 3rd party system so they can't change it later like what happened about 10 years or so ago in NY/NJ. Those two judges were everyday people that didnt know sheat about boxing. THe even saw the eraser marks of a round changed to have the outcome come to their "fixed liking". Problem was that round changed score of 8-10 was actually a knockdown by the other opponent...OOps, should at least know what round you are going to change after the bout. Boxing = fraud.

The WBC - one of the governing bodies - actually has a system they use in foreign countries where the official scores are read aloud after the 8th round. It's a bad idea, though. In a lot of these fights, one fighter will learn he's ahead and just dance around for the last four rounds, knowing he's got the fight in the bag. It's better for action in the ring that the fighters not know the scores, IMHO.

El Minion
06-11-2012, 12:56 PM
I can see the point about not putting too much stock in compubox numbers. It doesn't always say who won the fight, but I think it is a measuring tool... but not for the judges. For the judges it is not a factor because they don't see the numbers, which is why it can't be totally relied on to tell the story of the fight.

Even by tossing out the compubox numbers, from what I read about the scores from press row, who I assume do not see the compubox numbers as they are filling in their scorecard, or hear the television commentators, they all had Manny winning the fight easy. From the range of 9-3 to 11-1. When I was watching it, there was only one round that I really thought Bradley could have won. But if a judge gave him a few rounds, I could see that. But to give the guy 7 rounds? Based on what?

I'd say that compubox numbers don't make the argument for Manny winning, it just strengthens the argument. Compubox numbers in this case backs up what most people saw.

This, I can see giving Bradley 1 to 2, shít even 3 rounds, 4 if you really twist my arm BUT SEVEN ROUNDS?! WTF!? All three judges had the same close fight so if Roth had just flipped one more round for Bradley then it would have been unanimous trifecta of collective judging fail in the last 20 years.

Bob Arum and his enablers and lackeys are bleeding boxing into oblivion and this decision just opened another vein on already comatose sport. The days of great boxing are over, no more Wilfred Benítez, Pipino Cuevas, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Durán, Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler. Instead we get this garbage, Bradley decision over Pacquiao, and not Pacquiao vs. Mayweather. After those two retire in a couple of years what does boxing have for its next star? Singular because their sure isn't going to be plural. Just a matter time before the Middleweight, Welterweight and Lightweight divisions go the way of the Heavyweight division, which has been dead for years.

broncocalijohn
06-11-2012, 01:19 PM
The WBC - one of the governing bodies - actually has a system they use in foreign countries where the official scores are read aloud after the 8th round. It's a bad idea, though. In a lot of these fights, one fighter will learn he's ahead and just dance around for the last four rounds, knowing he's got the fight in the bag. It's better for action in the ring that the fighters not know the scores, IMHO.

Why I said 5 or 6 rounds and then lock up the scores until the end of the fight. I don't want to know the outcome before hand but if we know which way the beginning is going, it will be tough for the judges to commit fraud if the fight doesn't change much since the first 5 or 6 rounds.

OrangeSe7en
06-11-2012, 01:21 PM
This, I can see giving Bradley 1 to 2, shít even 3 rounds, 4 if you really twist my arm BUT SEVEN ROUNDS?! WTF!? All three judges had the same close fight so if Roth had just flipped one more round for Bradley then it would have been unanimous trifecta of collective judging fail in the last 20 years.

Bob Arum and his enablers and lackeys are bleeding boxing into oblivion and this decision just opened another vein on already comatose sport. The days of great boxing are over, no more Wilfred Benítez, Pipino Cuevas, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Durán, Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler. Instead we get this garbage, Bradley decision over Pacquiao, and not Pacquiao vs. Mayweather. After those two retire in a couple of years what does boxing have for its next star? Singular because their sure isn't going to be plural. Just a matter time before the Middleweight, Welterweight and Lightweight divisions go the way of the Heavyweight division, which has been dead for years.

If boxing is lucky, stars will emerge in other countries. Boxing has always been corrupt. But part of the problem is that no one feels compelled to take up boxing anymore. The best boxers have seemed to typically come out of poverty. At the rate the US is going, a new era might re-emerge for that simple reason. But more likely, you might get foreign talent, namely Asia, emerging. The good thing about this is that it can potentially cut guys like Arum out.

Garcia Bronco
06-11-2012, 01:30 PM
That ain't what happened, the utterly absurd opinion of two judges aside.

What??! Judges wouldn't lie....if Pacman wanted a win he should've knocked him out, but he couldn't...because Bradley was the better fighter. :D

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 01:33 PM
If boxing is lucky, stars will emerge in other countries. Boxing has always been corrupt. But part of the problem is that no one feels compelled to take up boxing anymore. The best boxers have seemed to typically come out of poverty. At the rate the US is going, a new era might re-emerge for that simple reason. But more likely, you might get foreign talent, namely Asia, emerging. The good thing about this is that it can potentially cut guys like Arum out.

The scenario you described is already happening. Boxing may have lost its mainstream appeal in the US, but it is still a massive sport overseas, which is why I have to shake my head at the abject ignorance when people say that boxing is a dying sport. It's bigger than ever in most of the world. It's still big across Latin America, Europe and Asia. The Klitschko brothers regularly sell out 50,000 seat arenas in Germany even against modest opposition. The super middleweight title fight from a few weeks ago in Nottingham, England between Carl Froch and Lucian Bute drew 20,000 raucous maniacs even though the hometown hero (Froch) was coming off a decisive loss to Andre Ward. Those are just a couple of recent examples. Even in the US, fights on HBO and Showtime still do similar or better rating than they hauled in during the 80s and 90s, and pay per view buys are still strong for major fights. It just doesn't get the mainstream coverage in the US that it used to (for the most part).

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 01:37 PM
What??! Judges wouldn't lie....if Pacman wanted a win he should've knocked him out, but he couldn't...because Bradley was the better fighter. :D

I'll assume you are joking and not retarded.

RhymesayersDU
06-11-2012, 02:44 PM
I'll assume you are joking and not retarded.

You've never read a Garcia post before, have you?

broncocalijohn
06-11-2012, 03:11 PM
I'll assume you are joking and not retarded.

actually it is "yes" to both. Best retard with a sense of humor!

R-Mac
06-11-2012, 03:38 PM
Boxers should fight for the knockout, not points. The final round should have unlimited time and last until one of the boxers goes down. I am sure boxers would not even try to manage a fight if there were no judges to make a decision based on points. It's a fight. Someone must be standing, someone must go down. Let them fight until the end, with a referee in the ring but no judges. No need to count who landed how many punches. No need to judge who won which round. One of the boxers must win by KO or TKO. Judges distributing points will always be a subjective way of creating controversy.

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 05:00 PM
Boxers should fight for the knockout, not points. The final round should have unlimited time and last until one of the boxers goes down. I am sure boxers would not even try to manage a fight if there were no judges to make a decision based on points. It's a fight. Someone must be standing, someone must go down. Let them fight until the end, with a referee in the ring but no judges. No need to count who landed how many punches. No need to judge who won which round. One of the boxers must win by KO or TKO. Judges distributing points will always be a subjective way of creating controversy.

Back in the early days of boxing up through the early 1920s, fights often had an unlimited number of rounds until someone got knocked out. There are reports of fights from that era going as long as 45 rounds. With increased emphasis in all sports towards safety, you'll never see that sort of thing again. I would settle for going back to 15 rounds for a championship fight. Think of how boxing history would be different if fights had always been 12 round. Hearns beats Leonard in their first fight, as he was way ahead on the cards til he got stopped in the 14th. Alexis Arguello beats Aaron Pryor in their first fight (Pryor got a 14th round knockout). Etc.

El Minion
06-11-2012, 05:55 PM
The scenario you described is already happening. Boxing may have lost its mainstream appeal in the US, but it is still a massive sport overseas, which is why I have to shake my head at the abject ignorance when people say that boxing is a dying sport. It's bigger than ever in most of the world. It's still big across Latin America, Europe and Asia. The Klitschko brothers regularly sell out 50,000 seat arenas in Germany even against modest opposition. The super middleweight title fight from a few weeks ago in Nottingham, England between Carl Froch and Lucian Bute drew 20,000 raucous maniacs even though the hometown hero (Froch) was coming off a decisive loss to Andre Ward. Those are just a couple of recent examples. Even in the US, fights on HBO and Showtime still do similar or better rating than they hauled in during the 80s and 90s, and pay per view buys are still strong for major fights. It just doesn't get the mainstream coverage in the US that it used to (for the most part).

Rugby is big overseas, so is tennis (another fading sport, really miss the rivalries between John McEnroe, Björn Borg, Jimmy Connors and Ivan Lendl) and NASCAR is big in the south with 100k plus fans attending races. But those are regional sports that don't have the national and international following that Boxing once had. What other sport could hold a title event on any continent and still get the same if not more sport following from average people around the world; Thrilla in Manila, The Rumble in the Jungle, e.g. Maybe it's an American bias, but other than soccer, if you lose the average American sports fan then the quality of play of that diminished sport will decline inevitably because the American fan money will not be there to support it.

spdirty
06-11-2012, 06:13 PM
The WBC - one of the governing bodies - actually has a system they use in foreign countries where the official scores are read aloud after the 8th round. It's a bad idea, though. In a lot of these fights, one fighter will learn he's ahead and just dance around for the last four rounds, knowing he's got the fight in the bag. It's better for action in the ring that the fighters not know the scores, IMHO.

I'd like to see the scorecard be made public after every round. I think it would have changed the dynamic of this fight. The problem you present is the same as in football, basketball, etc. where the winning team typically goes conservative, run clock, get out with the win. I believe that had Manny known during the fight that he was getting screwed he'd have gone for a knockout, ending all doubt. Would Bradley have fought differently? Yeah, maybe. But I never have liked the scores of these fights being a closely guarded secret until the fight is over.

Just me, but in any sporting event I like to know who is "officially" winning at the beginning, middle, and end of each sporting event.

BroncoInferno
06-11-2012, 07:00 PM
Rugby is big overseas, so is tennis (another fading sport, really miss the rivalries between John McEnroe, Björn Borg, Jimmy Connors and Ivan Lendl) and NASCAR is big in the south with 100k plus fans attending races. But those are regional sports that don't have the national and international following that Boxing once had. What other sport could hold a title event on any continent and still get the same if not more sport following from average people around the world; Thrilla in Manila, The Rumble in the Jungle, e.g. Maybe it's an American bias, but other than soccer, if you lose the average American sports fan then the quality of play of that diminished sport will decline inevitably because the American fan money will not be there to support it.

It is.

El Minion
06-13-2012, 03:12 PM
Five judges reduces the possibility of this judging fail from recurring again.

WBO assigns five judges to re-score Pacquiao-Bradley fight (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-boxing-wbo-pacquiao-20120613,0,7574716.story)


http://www.trbimg.com/img-4fd8e897/turbine/la-sp-sn-boxing-wbo-pacquiao-20120613-001/600
Although many at ringside gave Manny Pacquiao between nine and 11 rounds in Saturday night title fight, he lost by split decision to Timothy Bradley.
(Joe Klamar / AFP/Getty Images / June 13, 2012)

By Lance Pugmire June 13, 2012, 12:52 p.m.

The World Boxing Organization on Wednesday announced it has assigned five judges to re-score Manny Pacquiao (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/boxing/manny-pacquiao-PECLB0052978808.topic)'s controversial loss by decision to Palm Springs' Timothy Bradley in an effort to convince state commissions to widen the pool of judges for major fights.

Although many at ringside for Saturday's fight gave Pacquiao between nine and 11 rounds, judges Duane Ford and C.J. Ross scored the bout 115-113 (seven rounds to five) in Bradley's favor, and a third Nevada judge, Jerry Roth, had it 115-113 for Pacquiao in the WBO welterweight title contest.

WBO President Francisco "Paco" Valcarcel said five judges, from New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Pennsylvania and Puerto Rico, will re-score the bout and submit their work confidentially to the WBO, with the scores to be gathered by Monday.

Valcarcel said that armed with that information, he will submit to the Assn. of Boxing Commissions by its July meeting a request that state commissions such as Nevada's work more diligently to bring in judges from outside their states for fights of the magnitude of a world title contest.

Before the Pacquiao-Bradley judges were assigned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Valcarcel said he submitted a list of 20 judges from elsewhere who could be assigned to the bout. None were chosen.

"We're asking the ABC to make recommendations how a sanctioning body like ours can work better with a state commission, to use this experience to have better scoring in the future," Valcarcel said.

Valcarcel said he is not considering stripping the WBO belt from Bradley, and will not order a mandatory rematch, because Pacquiao's contract stipulates he would get a rematch if he lost the bout. In promoting the fight, Bradley had printed up a poster and ticket hyping Bradley-Pacquiao II on Nov. 10.

"This wasn't Bradley's fault, and we're not saying there was any evidence of fraud or corruption here," Valcarcel said. "That's outside the scope of what we're doing."

He said he's also not questioning the integrity of Ford or Ross.

"There are excellent judges available internationally, and they should be considered," Valcarcel said. "We've done it here in Puerto Rico, bringing in judges from Nevada."

gunns
06-13-2012, 03:30 PM
What??! Judges wouldn't lie....if Pacman wanted a win he should've knocked him out, but he couldn't...because Bradley was the better fighter. :D

You obviously did not see the fight.

Arum has said he will not promote the November rematch unless the WBO looks into the scoring decision and they've agreed to. Yeah I trust them to do an honest job.

Me, I'm so anti Mayweather I can't help but feel this was his way of avoiding a fight with Pac. I know, I'm biased that way.

El Minion
06-14-2012, 02:15 PM
Unofficial Scorecards (http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1656951)



Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
Dave Cokin, Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas: 114-114 Draw
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terry Dooley, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Bunce, BoxNation.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
BoxingSocialist.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
Rob Day, RingNews24.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
Ryan Burton, BoxingScene.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Chris Robinson, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Greisman, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Graham Parker, The Guardian (UK): 117-111 Pacquiao
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luis Sandoval, BoxingScene.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tommy Gunn, BoxingAsylum.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian (UK): 118-112 Pacquiao
Steve Lillis, BoxNation: 118-111 Pacquiao
Nick Xouris, FightHype.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Danny "Swift" Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mike Koppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
John Russell, boxing trainer (Buster Douglas trainer): 118-110 Pacquiao
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Nigel Collins, Espn.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Phil Jay, WorldBoxingNews.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Among the experts above, 116 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 2 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.
None of the scores for Pacquiao were offered by Philippine media.
The score for Bradley was not provided by American media.

Beantown Bronco
06-21-2012, 10:10 AM
The scores of the 5 independent judges are in:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/wbo-concludes-manny-pacquiao-topped-timothy-bradley-promoter-044257957--box.html

canadianbroncosfan
06-21-2012, 10:47 AM
The scores of the 5 independent judges are in:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/wbo-concludes-manny-pacquiao-topped-timothy-bradley-promoter-044257957--box.html

Glad there's the rematch clause in the contract. This is one of the biggest atrocities in sports history.