Lib Teacher Bullies Student About Obama

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

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[peacepipe]

It's not going to take long for you to get banned again.

[Garcia Bronco]

I had a few teachers that were "yellers". They were all sad little people with lives they hated.

[Garcia Bronco]

So apparently this teacher got suspended...with pay. Good....except for the with pay part. I isten to a little of this and the teacher is an idiot that can't even speak english "good"

[W*GS]

Yep, poor righties. Victims always and forever.

[Smiling Assassin27]

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To pretend this doesn't go on in classrooms across the nation is to be at odds with reality. Props to those students who step up to this indoctrination, regardless of political ideology. Kick the teacher to the curb.

[BroncoInferno]

To pretend this doesn't go on in classrooms across the nation is to be at odds with reality.

To pretend it is ubiquitous in classrooms across the nation is to be at odds with reality. Of course, Smiling Ass is part of the lunatic right wing fringe, so for him to lecture people about "reality" is the thigh-slapper of the day.

[barryr]

It is funny watching liberals change the subject and attack forum members when they have nothing else. The sad part is liberals still live lives with an infant's mentality where that crap is their only way to communicate. When kids are brought up by parents who teach them how to think for themselves and be independent, they don't need to resort to that so much. This is also the main reason liberals are against home schooling and vouchers since that cuts into their indoctrination business.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

It's not going to take long for you to get banned again.

LOL LOL LOL thats it. wish a mod agree with you so i gety banned. LOL LOL LOL

[Requiem]

Teachers should facilitate good debate and discussion in the classroom, especially when it comes to matters of politics, civics, etc. Classes apt for that discussion would be sociology, government and like disciplines. However, they should not throw their opinion out their in the classroom. Moderate the debates, make sure they don't get out of hand. Don't force things on the kids and don't look down on them. It isn't their place to do that.

I had this issue in high school when I had a teacher who got after me because I was against the Second Gulf War. I voiced my opinion, gave my points (basically that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and we were being bent over and lied to). The teacher disagreed, believed I sympathized with the terrorists and didn't think much of being American. I thought, aw ****. A lot of my friends started talking about what went on in class, and it was the story of the school by noon. I didn't even want them talking about it.

Low and behold, I was called into the vice principals office the next morning to give my side of the story. Political discussions in that class (foreign language) stopped immediately the next day. Love that teacher to this day, but she was an extreme right-wing mouth piece. This story shows the other half to the coin ideology wise.

But don't listen to me, Hobo, Barry and Smilin' will tell you that only liberal teachers do this in the classroom.

Har, har, har.

[Requiem]

It is funny watching liberals change the subject and attack forum members when they have nothing else. The sad part is liberals still live lives with an infant's mentality where that crap is their only way to communicate. When kids are brought up by parents who teach them how to think for themselves and be independent, they don't need to resort to that so much. This is also the main reason liberals are against home schooling and vouchers since that cuts into their indoctrination business.

We get it Barry, you blame liberals for everything. I mean man, it must be awesome living in a world where you can project everything that is failure on one group of people. Makes life easy for you right? Never owning up to your own faults and responsibilities? It is easier to blame others, huh?

Speaking of not owning up to something:

I see you have no response to where I showed you were the same person with two different accounts in the other thread. How come?

Was it too inconvenient to point out that there were two Barry R's who were Broncos fans who happened to have the same talks re: the military on two separate accounts, with the end time and creation of the other within months?

I mean, how can you lie to yourself like that and ever think you deserve respect. Who do you think you are fooling? Someone's mirror no longer reflects.

[Requiem]

It's not going to take long for you to get banned again.

I am just waiting for his first thread where he actually discusses politics instead of posting YouTube videos or propaganda websites. If he gets banned again, I am going to miss his monthly job report threads with ten LOL images after them.

[cutthemdown]

Teachers should facilitate good debate and discussion in the classroom, especially when it comes to matters of politics, civics, etc. Classes apt for that discussion would be sociology, government and like disciplines. However, they should not throw their opinion out their in the classroom. Moderate the debates, make sure they don't get out of hand. Don't force things on the kids and don't look down on them. It isn't their place to do that.

I had this issue in high school when I had a teacher who got after me because I was against the Second Gulf War. I voiced my opinion, gave my points (basically that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and we were being bent over and lied to). The teacher disagreed, believed I sympathized with the terrorists and didn't think much of being American. I thought, aw ****. A lot of my friends started talking about what went on in class, and it was the story of the school by noon. I didn't even want them talking about it.

Low and behold, I was called into the vice principals office the next morning to give my side of the story. Political discussions in that class (foreign language) stopped immediately the next day. Love that teacher to this day, but she was an extreme right-wing mouth piece. This story shows the other half to the coin ideology wise.

But don't listen to me, Hobo, Barry and Smilin' will tell you that only liberal teachers do this in the classroom.

Har, har, har.


My HS govt teacher was a raging liberal but a great teacher. He would argue but it was always really professional. No way you would have used the word **** in his class. Letting kids talk like that, then saying that word back to them is not good teaching. Teachers may think it makes them cool, hip,but its bad leadership.

We need to break the teachers unions. They protect bad teachers. If we put hidden cameras in say 1500 random classrooms, k-12, how many of you think you would be impressed with what you saw?

[cutthemdown]

Also school will soon be making the taping of a class, without schools consent, a reason for expulsion. Just like how police depts are saying you can't video record them doing their job.

[cutthemdown]

I am just waiting for his first thread where he actually discusses politics instead of posting YouTube videos or propaganda websites. If he gets banned again, I am going to miss his monthly job report threads with ten LOL images after them.

I think the real issue here is bad teachers, bad language in the classroom, low teacher accountability. Then the bigger issue, kids recording teachers. Its a new fad and has popped up all over. School districts will respond if they aren't already. I'm not really read up on it but I bet they are. I know this is a fad though because my nephews where talking about a twitter pic someone posted of one of their teachers making out with her boyfriend on a sat night, while she is going through a divorce lol. Kids are vicious and teachers better watch out lol. They all have phones with cameras, internet connections, and social networking to get the information out.

Kids bait teachers into going off the hook then sit back and watch the trainwreck. I think something has to be done about it, but I can't lie i find the stories funny.

[Requiem]

My HS govt teacher was a raging liberal but a great teacher. He would argue but it was always really professional. No way you would have used the word **** in his class. Letting kids talk like that, then saying that word back to them is not good teaching. Teachers may think it makes them cool, hip,but its bad leadership.

We need to break the teachers unions. They protect bad teachers. If we put hidden cameras in say 1500 random classrooms, k-12, how many of you think you would be impressed with what you saw?

The educational system in America needs to be revamped, no doubt.

I've done a lot of tutoring and editing of papers in past working environments in University and one of the disappointing things was how poorly articulate aspiring teachers were. I would venture to say that I most of them still had a high school aptitude for learning and a poor degree in writing. I found this to be troubling because those kids are going to be paving the way for the next few generations. It is kind of sad.

We are teaching kids how to past tests.

We are getting rid of cursive writing.

Tax payer dollars are going towards students getting tablet PC's and netbooks for school work? (Which is stupid.)

We are getting rid of fine arts classes and slapping down technical classes (like welding, mechanics, drafting, etc.) -- which are hurting kids who don't aspire to go to a University, but would prefer to go to a trade school instead.

I think it should be mandatory that upon graduation from high school, students had entered a work-study program at their high school to get on the job experience and completed coursework in accounting and finances. I remember taking those courses, learning how to do the basics (like even writing checks) and it helped me out a ton.

Only US History 2 (WWII - Present) and Government (Senior Year) were required courses in civics. That is pathetic.

There are just so many things wrong that need to be changed.

And I agree, I would probably be disappointed in what is going on in most class rooms today.

[Requiem]

I think the real issue here is bad teachers, bad language in the classroom, low teacher accountability. Then the bigger issue, kids recording teachers. Its a new fad and has popped up all over. School districts will respond if they aren't already. I'm not really read up on it but I bet they are. I know this is a fad though because my nephews where talking about a twitter pic someone posted of one of their teachers making out with her boyfriend on a sat night, while she is going through a divorce lol. Kids are vicious and teachers better watch out lol. They all have phones with cameras, internet connections, and social networking to get the information out.

Kids bait teachers into going off the hook then sit back and watch the trainwreck. I think something has to be done about it, but I can't lie i find the stories funny.

This is why school districts need to all implement policies where cell phones, computers and other personal items (electronic) are not allowed in the class room. We had that when I was in high school. Leave them in your lockers. When you have your free period or lunch break, sure -- go look at them. They should never be allowed to be brought into a classroom. They are distractions.

[Pony Boy]

Why would anyone want to be a teacher, it's certainly not for the money?

[ghwk]

Why would anyone want to be a teacher, it's certainly not for the money?

Because they actually like to help people and see them develop and get better.

That's why no Republicans ae teachers. ROFL! (joke)

[Requiem]

Why would anyone want to be a teacher, it's certainly not for the money?

To help people grow and develop. My end game is to be a teacher or professor in some sort of capacity because I thoroughly like seeing people's minds be active in a classroom. I like learning. I like seeing people learn and achieve great things. I also want to be a teacher that makes a difference and encourage kids to follow their bliss and reach for the stars.

I could live comfortably my whole life in the Dakota's making 35-40k a year being a teacher and getting benefits.

When I was going through HS, a lot of teachers complained that they weren't adequately compensated. Hah. If you taught a sport or extra curricular activity, that even boosted your pay a couple grand per sport. So some teachers there were making 50k easily (if not more) by the time they retired -- in a town where the average mortgage payment on a house is less than 700 dollars for something good and modest.

I'm sorry, but if you work 9 months out of the year and make that kind of money, you should be pretty thankful. They always talked about not having enough to pay their bills, but like I told one of my old math teachers who griped about it, don't get things you can't afford, like having three cars for a couple of two, a five bedroom house and **** you just really don't need.

[Garcia Bronco]

Teachers should facilitate good debate and discussion in the classroom, especially when it comes to matters of politics, civics, etc. Classes apt for that discussion would be sociology, government and like disciplines. However, they should not throw their opinion out their in the classroom. Moderate the debates, make sure they don't get out of hand. Don't force things on the kids and don't look down on them. It isn't their place to do that.

I had this issue in high school when I had a teacher who got after me because I was against the Second Gulf War. I voiced my opinion, gave my points (basically that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and we were being bent over and lied to). The teacher disagreed, believed I sympathized with the terrorists and didn't think much of being American. I thought, aw ****. A lot of my friends started talking about what went on in class, and it was the story of the school by noon. I didn't even want them talking about it.



Best post in thread. Exactly.

[Pony Boy]

Because they actually like to help people and see them develop and get better.

That's why no Republicans ae teachers. ROFL! (joke)

Yes there are those that want to help people but to be honest it's also the easy path to graduation. The easy way out was a degree in criminal justice, political science or teaching?


Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

[Garcia Bronco]

This is why school districts need to all implement policies where cell phones, computers and other personal items (electronic) are not allowed in the class room. We had that when I was in high school. Leave them in your lockers. When you have your free period or lunch break, sure -- go look at them. They should never be allowed to be brought into a classroom. They are distractions.

When I was in grade school...80's to early 90's...if you brought a phone or pager to school, you'd automatically be expelled. No questions asked.

[Requiem]

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
Which is a pretty pathetic quote to say the least. Teachers are necessary parts of a functional society and serve a great purpose.

And a political science degree or criminal justice degree is not an easy way out. The coursework I did in those disciplines were tough as balls and the professors had good bull**** detectors. It wasn't like Business 101 and 102 where you get to play on MS Word and learn about formatting paragraphs for a whole year. A ****ing joke.

If you want to be a lawyer, work in public administration or government, go to a NPO, get into the police force are interested in furthering yourself in the military by becoming an officer out of college, those are great disciplines to get into. Pretty much all my classmates and myself who were in the PS/CS department are kicking ass after college and furthering ourselves.

Actually, I don't know of one friend I had that went that route who is doing bad. I guess there is a guy I know working at Well's Fargo, but he's making good money, so whatever.

I can think of worse routes to go, but then again, it really isn't up to me to criticize what others like or enjoy learning about. College doesn't guarantee you a job or mean anything. It helps on a resume, but basically how you portray yourself and what you bring to the table in a skill set greatly outweighs where you spent time in a classroom.

[Requiem]

When I was in grade school...80's to early 90's...if you brought a phone or pager to school, you'd automatically be expelled. No questions asked.

I don't know if expelling students is the option you want to go, but I'd put it this way:

Firs time offender: In School Supervised Suspension (One Week)
Second time offender: Out of School Suspension (One Weeok)
Third time: See ya.

I actually dropped my last semester of statistics and regression analysis in high school because my teacher got mad at me for not following along in the book during class time. I had a 97% in the class and kind of just stared off into space because I just wasn't interested in numbers. She thought that was disrespectful to not have been following along, and maybe it was, but she allowed the females in class (and athletic stars whom she favored) to be on their pda's, cell phones and even check **** on their laptops and all that stuff.

She held me after class one day and I pointed out the unfair treatment, and told her I wouldn't be there the rest of the semester because of it. She couldn't even formulate an argument how not paying attention was worse than being distracted on electronic devices that inhibit others to learn in the classroom. With nothing to say, she told me if I dropped her class, I'd go nowhere in life and never graduate college. I responded by telling her that she is only a teacher to relive her glory days and never truly got out of the high school mentality. She got pissed.

So, I dropped the class, kicked ass and ended up being done with school M-W-F at 9:30 AM the rest of the year out.

The rest is history.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't know if expelling students is the option you want to go, but I'd put it this way:

Firs time offender: In School Supervised Suspension (One Week)
Second time offender: Out of School Suspension (One Weeok)
Third time: See ya.

I actually dropped my last semester of statistics and regression analysis in high school because my teacher got mad at me for not following along in the book during class time. I had a 97% in the class and kind of just stared off into space because I just wasn't interested in numbers. She thought that was disrespectful to not have been following along, and maybe it was, but she allowed the females in class (and athletic stars whom she favored) to be on their pda's, cell phones and even check **** on their laptops and all that stuff.

She held me after class one day and I pointed out the unfair treatment, and told her I wouldn't be there the rest of the semester because of it. She couldn't even formulate an argument how not paying attention was worse than being distracted on electronic devices that inhibit others to learn in the classroom. With nothing to say, she told me if I dropped her class, I'd go nowhere in life and never graduate college. I responded by telling her that she is only a teacher to relive her glory days and never truly got out of the high school mentality. She got pissed.

So, I dropped the class, kicked ass and ended up being done with school M-W-F at 9:30 AM the rest of the year out.

The rest is history.

My English II teacher tried to pulll some of that same kind of nonsense with me. We went before the dean and I destroyed her. I even said in the meeting that she could go first and when she was done. I ignored all her points and told the Dean I was a paying customer and this is a garbage product. There is nothing worse in academics than a teacher witha personal agenda.

[cutthemdown]

This is why school districts need to all implement policies where cell phones, computers and other personal items (electronic) are not allowed in the class room. We had that when I was in high school. Leave them in your lockers. When you have your free period or lunch break, sure -- go look at them. They should never be allowed to be brought into a classroom. They are distractions.

I agree with all of this. Unless its a calculator for math, or a computer for some sort assignment I don't see why they need phones, ipods etc etc. It's a distraction.

You won't agree with this but a big problem are the unions, tenure, and principals not being able to hire and fire who they want. It's based an seniority, not how good a teacher you are.

Testing is also a joke. The best way to see if a young person understands a concept is by talking about it with them. The testing should always be in essay form IMO. Or at least a lot of essay style testing. Multiple guess is a joke. We already spend the most on education, its not the money. It's the system.

Private schools spend less on teachers salaries, and have better performing students. Hmmmmm what does that tell you?

[Pony Boy]

And a political science degree or criminal justice degree is not an easy way out. The coursework I did in those disciplines were tough as balls and the professors had good bull**** detectors.

I didn't say criminal justice was a bad path to follow I said it was the easy way out. When I was in school 75% of the football players were in criminal justice because it was a piece of cake ........ Most didn't graduate but those that did where guaranteed jobs with the highway patrol. The other 25% took the easy path of a teaching degree so they could coach later. A Political Science was the easiest path to follow and the degree was completely worthless in the real world.

[Fedaykin]

It is funny watching liberals change the subject and attack forum members when they have nothing else. The sad part is liberals still live lives with an infant's mentality where that crap is their only way to communicate. When kids are brought up by parents who teach them how to think for themselves and be independent, they don't need to resort to that so much. This is also the main reason liberals are against home schooling and vouchers since that cuts into their indoctrination business.

All you ever do is toss about ad-hominems. Your post above is a nice example.

[Requiem]

I didn't say criminal justice was a bad path to follow I said it was the easy way out. When I was in school 75% of the football players were in criminal justice because it was a piece of cake ........ Most didn't graduate but those that did where guaranteed jobs with the highway patrol. The other 25% took the easy path of a teaching degree so they could coach later. A Political Science was the easiest path to follow and the degree was completely worthless in the real world.

Good for them. They did what they wanted and got to coach and teach.

And LOL @ Political Science being a worthless degree. That is a route people take to get the jobs I just told you about. So lawyers, teachers, public administrators, researchers, scientists and the like are worthless? And as far as starting wages and worth go, Political Science is probably in the middle route -- depending on where you live of course. Computer Engineering, ISS and other Engineering degrees are going to make you the bucks. I'm just stoked what I did isn't in the bottom ten. (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2073703,00.html)

I'm sure a lot of people think that my double major in the disciplines I like (Political Science and Anthropology) are completely worthless too, but they are disciplines I liked to study and had a lot of fun doing the research and projects I did as an undergraduate in those fields. They also made me a really well-rounded person. I have friends all over the globe now because of it and liked the fact that I got to get away from just white people and learn something about the world, while most of my high school friends stayed back home and still hate non-whites to this day.

It helped got me a job making 2,500 a month and easily 500+ in benefits (full coverage medical, dental and vision where I didn't have to pay a dime) right out of school (in NoDak) and the contract job I just landed in federal service is quite comparable, where I get a good hourly wage and the benefits and portable 401(k) is quite awesome.

Then again, I also was involved in school, worked for my university every year so I have people who can vouch for me as a person and worker. That is the big problem kids face coming out of school today.

"Well, I got this ______ degree, but I actually didn't ever do anything but go to class in school."

Those are the people falling flat on their faces and struggling. I've actually had kids I graduated with ask me to be references for them. Lol. Shoulda did more than take business classes bro!

I've never cared about becoming rich. I could have easily excelled in Computer Science (which is what my dad wanted me to do) since I've been working on computers since I was 3, but I didn't need a degree in that area to show what I can do with my skill set there. I have online portfolios and years of design and development work to demonstrate efficacy there. Microsoft actually recruited me to work in their office post-college, but I had already accepted my job in the legal field and told them no thanks.

So nah, not so worthless IMHO. The only reason I had trouble getting work out in Colorado for two months is because I moved to a town during mud season and a terrible economy based of seasonal employment. I applied for two jobs, got two interviews, got offered both. Took the one I wanted most.

So, yeah.

Curious, what did you actually study that lets you look down on what other people went into? And is the value of a degree just based off the $ you make?

[Requiem]

All you ever do is toss about ad-hominems. Your post above is a nice example.

Barry has been exposed. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3588126&postcount=17)

Not only is he an ad-hominem, liberals are to blame for everything type of guy. He is also a pathological liar. C-c-c-combo breaker.

[Fedaykin]

Good for them. They did what they wanted and got to coach and teach.

And LOL @ Political Science being a worthless degree. That is a route people take to get the jobs I just told you about. So lawyers, teachers, public administrators, researchers, scientists and the like are worthless? And as far as starting wages and worth go, Political Science is probably in the middle route -- depending on where you live of course. Computer Engineering, ISS and other Engineering degrees are going to make you the bucks. I'm just stoked what I did isn't in the bottom ten. (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2073703,00.html)

I'm sure a lot of people think that my double major in the disciplines I like (Political Science and Anthropology) are completely worthless too, but they are disciplines I liked to study and had a lot of fun doing the research and projects I did as an undergraduate in those fields. They also made me a really well-rounded person. I have friends all over the globe now because of it and liked the fact that I got to get away from just white people and learn something about the world, while most of my high school friends stayed back home and still hate non-whites to this day.

It helped got me a job making 2,500 a month and easily 500+ in benefits (full coverage medical, dental and vision where I didn't have to pay a dime) right out of school (in NoDak) and the contract job I just landed in federal service is quite comparable, where I get a good hourly wage and the benefits and portable 401(k) is quite awesome.

Then again, I also was involved in school, worked for my university every year so I have people who can vouch for me as a person and worker. That is the big problem kids face coming out of school today.

"Well, I got this ______ degree, but I actually didn't ever do anything but go to class in school."

Those are the people falling flat on their faces and struggling. I've actually had kids I graduated with ask me to be references for them. Lol. Shoulda did more than take business classes bro!

I've never cared about becoming rich. I could have easily excelled in Computer Science (which is what my dad wanted me to do) since I've been working on computers since I was 3, but I didn't need a degree in that area to show what I can do with my skill set there. I have online portfolios and years of design and development work to demonstrate efficacy there. Microsoft actually recruited me to work in their office post-college, but I had already accepted my job in the legal field and told them no thanks.

So nah, not so worthless IMHO. The only reason I had trouble getting work out in Colorado for two months is because I moved to a town during mud season and a terrible economy based of seasonal employment. I applied for two jobs, got two interviews, got offered both. Took the one I wanted most.

So, yeah.

Curious, what did you actually study that lets you look down on what other people went into? And is the value of a degree just based off the $ you make?

You mean *gasp* you treated university as university instead of an expensive trade/professional school?

[cutthemdown]

Why would anyone want to be a teacher, it's certainly not for the money?

Private schools have no trouble finding teachers though. Also they pay less then public schools. That blew me away. This is what a teacher i know told me once. He said straight out public school teachers make more money, get better bennies. He was teaching at one of the local Christian Schools in my area that is known for really smart kids.

[Garcia Bronco]

Private schools have no trouble finding teachers though. Also they pay less then public schools. That blew me away. This is what a teacher i know told me once. He said straight out public school teachers make more money, get better bennies. He was teaching at one of the local Christian Schools in my area that is known for really smart kids.

I'd bet the extra bennies and pay are not worth dealing with rotten parents and their kids

[Requiem]

You mean *gasp* you treated university as university instead of an expensive trade/professional school?

I guess so. I'm glad I did what I did no doubt. The amount I owe for school (less than ~ 30k) now was well worth it in memories alone. I can't be more thankful for all the people I met, the times I had and the experiences I had while in school. I miss being involved in student government and going to the state capitol to shoot the **** and lobby for certain things (mostly issues pertaining to education) and sitting on IT and Tech commissions getting a say for the students in the things that matter to them.

I know a lot of good things are going on back at my alma matter because of the involvement I had a student leader. It's fitting I studied what I did, because at the end of the day I like being active and involved in the lives of others.

My path in life is more than just what I want for me, I want the best for everyone and everything. That is why I declined a bomb job in Denver to come back home and take care of a terminally ill grandparent and a mother who is having terrible medical issues.

Family will always come first to me, and if my aspirations and goals in life need to be put on hold for a while, so be it. I'm just stoked that I am healthy again, the best shape I've been in and that I got a good job with a good agency over the summer and that I will be able to be there for my family.

When the going gets tough, the tough get goin. Just the German-Russian in me. :)

And sorry if I'm talking myself up, I am not really trying to brag, I'm just proud that I am finally going forward after years of feeling in limbo because of chronic kidney issues and being sad about them. The last 4 years of my life were pretty ****ty in that respect, but I know I am truly blessed. There are people out there who have it a lot worse and count my blessings every day that I am able to be a free man in the world.

I'm positive now and doing positive things, and I'm just excited for the future. Excited to keep pursuing Academics too. I told myself that student debt doesn't matter, because it ultimately is an investment in myself. Since I have literally no other debt besides school (not a home owner, don't have a zillion crazy bills nor feel the need to be a big consumer) things are going to be easy for me.

I was raised well, so in turn, I will take care of those who helped me get to where I am now.

Cheers.

[barryr]

All you ever do is toss about ad-hominems. Your post above is a nice example.

But oh, you never do that. Your post is a great example of how liberals like to whine about things they themselves do. But I know, it's different when you do it.

[ghwk]

But oh, you never do that. Your post is a great example of how liberals like to whine about things they themselves do. But I know, it's different when you do it.

You realize this just proves his point right?

[cutthemdown]

Being a teacher not a bad gig. You can do it with only 4 yrs of school. You get a lot of time off. You know your hours will be during the day and you won't be working weekends, holidays.You can live in any state or city because schools are everywhere.

[Rohirrim]

Barry has been exposed. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3588126&postcount=17)

Not only is he an ad-hominem, liberals are to blame for everything type of guy. He is also a pathological liar. C-c-c-combo breaker.

I found his contention that everybody in the American school system is being indoctrinated while those who are homeschooled are learning the skills of independence and critical thinking to be particularly humorous. Ha!

[ant1999e]

Being a teacher not a bad gig. You can do it with only 4 yrs of school. You get a lot of time off. You know your hours will be during the day and you won't be working weekends, holidays.You can live in any state or city because schools are everywhere.

And you can suck balls at it and never get fired.

[cutthemdown]

Here is the deal. If you were the principal wouldn't you want to fire that teacher and hire a better one? At a private school you could. In a public school she gets suspended, will teach again because the unions don't care how good a teacher you are. They fight just as hard for the crap ones.

[cutthemdown]

And you can suck balls at it and never get fired.

Yep! Which is why we need vouchers. No reason taxpayers should have to send there kids to schools with crap teachers.

[barryr]

You realize this just proves his point right?

Actually you just proved I'm right since I have stated before liberals need to belong in gangs since they never can do anything by themselves, which is what you are doing by joining in and having to help and defend your fellow liberal to something you had nothing to do with. I don't need to ask others for help to defend my positions, but you guys do this every day and it is rather sad and pathetic. Liberals and "men" obviously do not go together. More like overgrown little boys, which it's been an hour, so time for the usual liberal name calling to or challenge someone to a fight over the internet to show your vast intelligence and maturity, much less "manhood." You guys are a joke and you don't even know it.

[barryr]

Yep! Which is why we need vouchers. No reason taxpayers should have to send there kids to schools with crap teachers.

What is hilarious is the liberals defend the teacher unions at all costs and do not want vouchers, and then state they are the ones that care most about blacks, yet because of that, it is them that want blacks to continue to stay in failing and bad schools. Yeah, that is some great help there, but when one looks at the liberal policies over the years to supposedly help black people, one can see not much help has been happening. It is actually those who break cycles and rise above unfortunate situations that make the most of their lives than those who make a life of the next government handout program that does squat in the end. The war on poverty has been as successful as the war on drugs, but the liberal geniuses' idea is to create even more.

[DenverBrit]

What is hilarious is the liberals defend the teacher unions at all costs and do not want vouchers, and then state they are the ones that care most about blacks, yet because of that, it is them that want blacks to continue to stay in failing and bad schools. Yeah, that is some great help there, but when one looks at the liberal policies over the years to supposedly help black people, one can see not much help has been happening. It is actually those who break cycles and rise above unfortunate situations that make the most of their lives than those who make a life of the next government handout program that does squat in the end. The war on poverty has been as successful as the war on drugs, but the liberal geniuses' idea is to create even more.

Like the school you attended. English was optional for you?

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Like the school you attended. English was optional for you?

Grammer police is here. Woot, Woot.

[barryr]

Like the school you attended. English was optional for you?

You know a liberal has nothing when they need to counter with this nonsense. But you sure proved me wrong what I state about liberals LOL

[DenverBrit]

You know a liberal has nothing when they need to counter with this nonsense. But you sure proved me wrong what I state about liberals LOL

Your 'liberal' fixation makes you a one trick pony.

And for someone who claims to be a teacher, you're scary.

[DenverBrit]

Grammer police is here. Woot, Woot.

If they were, you would have been arrested a long time ago. :welcome:

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

If they were, you would have been arrested a long time ago. :welcome:

..............................

[ant1999e]

Like the school you attended. English was optional for you?

??? OK

[Requiem]

Your 'liberal' fixation makes you a one trick pony.

And for someone who claims to be a teacher, you're scary.

No, he actually denies everything. Notice how he has not responded to being called out and owned in the threads. Megarep for that.

[barryr]

Your 'liberal' fixation makes you a one trick pony.

And for someone who claims to be a teacher, you're scary.

Claims to be a teacher? Since when? I am not a teacher nor ever claimed to be one. That is a fantasy drummed up by your fellow idiots who when faced with the reality of having nothing to back up what they believe, resort to attacks and try to dig up dirt on people and doing so carelessly and getting others involved who have nothing to do with it, which again, proves my point. But that is an effeminate liberal thing to do, so your norm.

[barryr]

No, he actually denies everything. Notice how he has not responded to being called out and owned in the threads. Megarep for that.

You have denied going around making threats and numerous silly negative reps on people, yet your list is growing of the people you have to resort to that stuff. You really think you're that smart, but you do not even know what you're talking about. Some poster with your same juvenile mentality claimed I was some other poster who apparently doesn't even post in here anymore(gee, maybe it was because people like you)and like a little boy with no impulse control, you went with it yourself and continue to show your ignorance and arrogance and even posting personal information about that person. Again, you're lucky you're allowed to keep posting in these forums doing such garbage. But that is the liberal way, effeminate as you are having to do such things and possibly getting people in trouble who aren't even involved. Great stuff there. Not to mention this has already been explained numerous times and great rational expecting someone to somehow prove they are not some other poster who doesn't post here anymore.

[Requiem]

Juvenile mentality: Barryr blaming liberals for everything on the internet.

You really are a mental midget and a pathological liar.

Do you have anything of value to offer besides punchlines?

[Rohirrim]

Juvenile mentality: Barryr blaming liberals for everything on the internet.

You really are a mental midget and a pathological liar.

Do you have anything of value to offer besides punchlines?

Barry doesn't argue. He recites.

[Requiem]

Yeah, and he has the audacity to go out and say that liberals are all programmed to believe certain things when all he does is roll like an 8MM reel. The guy is one of the biggest turds to ever drop into the toilet of life.

[DenverBrit]

Claims to be a teacher? Since when? I am not a teacher nor ever claimed to be one. That is a fantasy drummed up by your fellow idiots who when faced with the reality of having nothing to back up what they believe, resort to attacks and try to dig up dirt on people and doing so carelessly and getting others involved who have nothing to do with it, which again, proves my point. But that is an effeminate liberal thing to do, so your norm.

Frothing again.

[barryr]

Frothing again.

Having nothing again.

[Requiem]

Having nothing again.

^ Has never been laid unless he paid.

[barryr]

Yeah, and he has the audacity to go out and say that liberals are all programmed to believe certain things when all he does is roll like an 8MM reel. The guy is one of the biggest turds to ever drop into the toilet of life.

Says someone like you who tries to post personal information about people and getting it wrong. You are a spoiled little boy who was never told no by anyone at home, so acting like a jackass every day was accepted and tolerated. No wonder you have to act the way you do over the internet since doubtful you can find anybody in person who can stand to be around you long enough to carry any kind of discussion with. And the day it appears where you don't beg for help from your little liberal circle of idiots is the day pigs fly.

[barryr]

Barry doesn't argue. He recites.

Recites? Like you from liberal websites?

[Requiem]

Says someone like you who tries to post personal information about people and getting it wrong.

Doubt it, turd. See a mental health specialist about your pathological lying.

You are a spoiled little boy who was never told no by anyone at home, so acting like a jackass every day was accepted and tolerated.

Actually, I was told no all the time and wasn't spoiled at all. Good try with the family smack though.

No wonder you have to act the way you do over the internet since doubtful you can find anybody in person who can stand to be around you long enough to carry any kind of discussion with.

Wrong again. How many friends to you actually have in real life that you go out and socialize with? I got a tee time in 40 minutes with about seven of my buddies from high school. What will you be doing in 40 minutes? Probably nothing.

And the day it appears where you don't beg for help from your little liberal circle of idiots is the day pigs fly.

Uh, what?

[barryr]

Juvenile mentality: Barryr blaming liberals for everything on the internet.

You really are a mental midget and a pathological liar.

Do you have anything of value to offer besides punchlines?

And you offer what exactly? Let's see: Name calling every day? Trying to post people's personal info., incorrectly I might add? Giving countless negative reps to people and acting like a spoiled child? Pretending you know an NFL scout who turns out to be nothing more than an internet fantasy football player so you can apparently try to impress nameless, faceless people? Writing that Derek Wolfe is a druggie every chance you get simply because the Broncos had the audacity to not listen to you and not draft Worthy instead?

You have a desperate need to see a shrink. Seek the help, you might turn your life around. As of now, you seem to have some deep issues and needing friends, but you don't appear to know how to do that with the way you act. I have had many people write to me and tell me what kind of things you have written to them as well. You are a sick person and that is putting it mildly.

[Requiem]

You have a desperate need to see a shrink. Seek the help, you might turn your life around. As of now, you seem to have some deep issues and needing friends, but you don't appear to know how to do that with the way you act. I have had many people write to me and tell me what kind of things you have written to them as well. You are a sick person and that is putting it mildly.

This is the internet, you douche. I will act how I please. You are a grown-up man (allegedly) that offers nothing of substance ever. The same punchlines day in and day out against liberals in WPR. When you make your way into the football forum, you don't have much to say, because you really don't know much about football. (And by the way, SDOGO worked for the Browns and Bills, you are the only idiot trying to spin otherwise -- and he was right on trading to get a QB and Javon Walker. But yes, I found him on a forum! You don't think people who have worked in the NFL ever post on a forum?) Like I said, grasping at straws because I shot down dumb emails you sent me years ago to my GMAIL. Get over it dude.

You are trying to argue with someone probably half your age on a constant basis. Nobody gives a **** about you, nobody likes you here. You are a blood drop on a tampon. That is putting it mildly. Everyone here laughs at the **** you post. I mean seriously, who here even agrees with you on much? A couple of the other crazy right-wing nutjobs? Weeeee.

My life is great. You have never met me personally and thankfully, never will. I've met people from the Mane and other forums, tailgated with them and had a good time. And I could give a **** less about what other people have written you about me and I could guess the "many" is probably a small few. Considering there are about two or three other people I've talked **** to on here that I really can't stand.

Those people suck, just like you. So I throw them a bone once in a while. Don't give a **** about you Barry, never will. You talk about impulse control, but you take the bait every time. EVERY TIME. If you and a few turds on here don't like me, that is fine. Plenty of people on the forum talk to me on a regular basis, some even offline and I have a good relationship with many of them. Glad to have some good friends on the Mane. :)

[DenverBrit]

Having nothing again.

LOL

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/dumb_as_a_stump.jpg

[Requiem]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5442/876335-god_made_it_super.jpg

[barryr]

LOL

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/dumb_as_a_stump.jpg

ROFL!

[ElwayMD]

Being a teacher not a bad gig. You can do it with only 4 yrs of school. You get a lot of time off. You know your hours will be during the day and you won't be working weekends, holidays.You can live in any state or city because schools are everywhere.

I agree that being a teacher is not a bad gig (I teach 6th grade students with emotional disabilities) but weekends off is a laugh. I spend most of my Sunday lesson planning for the week to come and grading papers and I put in less time than other teachers I know. Studies have shown that teachers cram over a years worth of work into the 9 months they teach. There is no real downtime when you teach (at least elementary school) especially with the population that I teach.

While it is true that you can enter teaching with a Bachelor's Degree you are expected in the state of Virginia at least, to continue to take classes until you earn your Master's Degree. You can work in any state in the country (provided that they recognize the teaching license from the state you earned it in) but most General Education teaching positions K-6, Middle School, and High School are hard to come by. Special Education teaching positions are the real job of need in American schools and a teacher with a SPED degree can pretty much pick where they want to work.

[houghtam]

Being a teacher not a bad gig. You can do it with only 4 yrs of school. You get a lot of time off. You know your hours will be during the day and you won't be working weekends, holidays.You can live in any state or city because schools are everywhere.

Not trying to go ad hominem here, but you really should do some more research of what the requirements are for a teaching degree, as well as what teachers' lives are actually like.

As another poster said, you're expected to continue your education after you graduate. Many do this because getting a Master's also pays more. You are asked to do a lot of things with your own money. Teachers routinely spend out of pocket for school supplies. Although most have summers off, many schools are going to year-round schools and this is no longer the case. There are also many districts that pay weekly or monthly, meaning the teachers do not get paid over the summer, either, so many take summer jobs. Weekends off is a joke and doesn't happen nearly as often as people think. Schools may exist everywhere, but teacher certification standards vary state by state, and you may be required to be re-certified, which in some cases requires more schooling.

[cutthemdown]

Not trying to go ad hominem here, but you really should do some more research of what the requirements are for a teaching degree, as well as what teachers' lives are actually like.

As another poster said, you're expected to continue your education after you graduate. Many do this because getting a Master's also pays more. You are asked to do a lot of things with your own money. Teachers routinely spend out of pocket for school supplies. Although most have summers off, many schools are going to year-round schools and this is no longer the case. There are also many districts that pay weekly or monthly, meaning the teachers do not get paid over the summer, either, so many take summer jobs. Weekends off is a joke and doesn't happen nearly as often as people think. Schools may exist everywhere, but teacher certification standards vary state by state, and you may be required to be re-certified, which in some cases requires more schooling.

I know a couple people myself who were teachers in CA, moved to Arizona and are now teachers there. So it can be done, for them it seemed quite easy, probably because they taught math. Year round school, whatever, the point stands that teachers mostly work decent hours and don't get stuck at the office until midnight, or work nights like healthcare people do, or have to be on call etc. Not saying there schedule not hectic like all people.

Not surprised many take on summer jobs. Great chance to make extra money, or to travel, or whatever, which is another thing a lot of my friends that are teachers say they like. More freedom that people who never get time off don't enjoy. I never said teaching was easy, my point was teaching isn't a bad choice, not a bad job.

On to the continuing education, masters degrees, so they make more. Here is the problem a crappy teacher with a BA, is still crappy with a masters but you pay them more. The whole pay for masters is BS. Where did I ever say teachers needed more education to be good at their jobs. I didn't i said you can gain entry into the profession with a BA degree and that true. Lots of professions have continuing education so I don't feel sorry for teachers. My sister is a ultrasound tech, a great gig, but she works her ass off, works night, and has tons of continuing education. Just because something takes extra work and education during career does not make the statement ITS A GREAT GIG not be true. So once again you try and argue something so stupid because you don't like me, you end up looking like a fool.

The problem is not teacher pay, education, its the fact you can't just fire the bad ones and bring in a younger one to see how they are at it. Everyone knows teachers, we hear the stories of how crappy many of them are. I happen to know really good ones, they love their jobs. I don't really feel bad for them, i am happy for them, they have good gigs and good jobs.

So what's your take that it isn't a good gig? That they get no time off, have to spend all their own money on supplies, have to constantly go back to school and are stuck in the state they started teaching in? Just not true I know too many stories where it isn't like this.

Also i would think anything teachers spend would be tax deductible right?

[houghtam]

So what's your take that it isn't a good gig? That they get no time off, have to spend all their own money on supplies, have to constantly go back to school and are stuck in the state they started teaching in? Just not true I know too many stories where it isn't like this.

Also i would think anything teachers spend would be tax deductible right?

Not that it's not a good job, but that it's underappreciated, and generally underpaid. Tax deductions are fine and all, but money out of pocket is money out of pocket. When you're making $30k a year and have to spend $100 on supplies, "well I can deduct this at the end of the year" is hardly relief, especially when you consider that the millage vote last fall would have provided hundreds of times that to the district.

There are far more good teachers than bad ones. The idea that schools are filled with horrible teachers that just can't be gotten rid of because of the union is entirely false. Does there need to be some oversight? Yes, but breaking the unions entirely isn't the way to do it.

[cutthemdown]

I don't think its underpaid unless you can't find qualified people to do the job. The market will tell you what it is worth, if there isn't unions. They skew the marketplace. We spend a lot of money on schools, and I agree with you most of the teachers are good at what they do. The problem is what then? Probably the kids and bad parenting, and the general lack of respect kids today have towards school in the inner cities. Most of the schools in my area get high high marks for smart kids. I think really stupid kids who don't try pull down the averages and make it look worst then it really is.

That and the fact we have tons of non english speaking kids. That is just a joke IMO.

[Garcia Bronco]

Not that it's not a good job, but that it's underappreciated, and generally underpaid. Tax deductions are fine and all, but money out of pocket is money out of pocket. When you're making $30k a year and have to spend $100 on supplies, "well I can deduct this at the end of the year" is hardly relief, especially when you consider that the millage vote last fall would have provided hundreds of times that to the district.

There are far more good teachers than bad ones. The idea that schools are filled with horrible teachers that just can't be gotten rid of because of the union is entirely false. Does there need to be some oversight? Yes, but breaking the unions entirely isn't the way to do it.

My buddies wife teaches mentally challeged kids...okay..

We argue all the time about politics. So she tells me about her day-to-day the other week. she's talking about some kid who was a discipline problem and how she had to stop class to deal with it. I couldn't believe it. She should just have to make a phone call and someone should come get the kid and disicipline that kid. Why is the talent dicking with that kind of bull****?

[houghtam]

My buddies wife teaches mentally challeged kids...okay..

We argue all the time about politics. So she tells me about her day-to-day the other week. she's talking about some kid who was a discipline problem and how she had to stop class to deal with it. I couldn't believe it. She should just have to make a phone call and someone should come get the kid and disicipline that kid. Why is the talent dicking with that kind of bull****?

I have very little experience with special ed, outside a course in college when I was studying to get my teaching degree, which was all basically theory, designed for those who weren't going into special ed. I couldn't begin to get into what their challenges are.

I do agree though that discipline in schools is a joke. Teachers literally cannot do anything. I kind of like it that way, as you have to enforce those sorts of things evenly, and I'll be damned if I will let another human being discipline my child, outside the obvious things like in-school suspensions, crap like that. But what's the alternative? You can't send the kids home because then they're just going to be out on the streets. You'd literally have to force the parents to do something about it, but for problem kids, half probably don't have both parents, and the other half have parents that are too busy caring about their personal lives or careers to worry about the poor kid.

Can't say I know what the answer is about discipline in schools.

[houghtam]

I don't think its underpaid unless you can't find qualified people to do the job. The market will tell you what it is worth, if there isn't unions. They skew the marketplace. We spend a lot of money on schools, and I agree with you most of the teachers are good at what they do. The problem is what then? Probably the kids and bad parenting, and the general lack of respect kids today have towards school in the inner cities. Most of the schools in my area get high high marks for smart kids. I think really stupid kids who don't try pull down the averages and make it look worst then it really is.

That and the fact we have tons of non english speaking kids. That is just a joke IMO.

Non-english speaking kids in classrooms has a problem for as long as we've had public schooling. In Cincinnati before World War I, there were public schools that taught only in German. It's always been a problem and will always be a problem, so we might as well figure out some way to deal with it. Subsidizing bilingual educators seems like the best way to go.

As far as being underpaid, you and I will just have to agree to disagree there. Where I live a teacher starting out makes less than $30k a year. If the union is skewing that, I'd be terrified to see what they'd be making without unions.

To me, you get what you put into an investment. If we're investing in our children, paying the people who teach them a meager salary is not starting off on the right foot. We have a huge shortage of teachers in the country, especially in areas like the inner city and for special education...if we paid a little more it might be a viable option for students who are on the fence like I was. Not saying money would have been the factor for me, but it would have been a factor.

I've been involved with the education department at three major universities. They are desperate for students.

[doonwise]

To pretend this doesn't go on in classrooms across the nation is to be at odds with reality. Props to those students who step up to this indoctrination, regardless of political ideology. Kick the teacher to the curb.

Dude, I grew up in Texas and it was just the opposite there. You know, hang Clinton, etc. The truth is that what goes on in a classroom is based largely on the beliefs of the teachers in that area.

If you are still unconvinced, I suggest you prevent your children from attending school so they won't be brainwashed. Oh, but you might not want to cut welfare if that's your choice :)

[ElwayMD]

My buddies wife teaches mentally challeged kids...okay..

We argue all the time about politics. So she tells me about her day-to-day the other week. she's talking about some kid who was a discipline problem and how she had to stop class to deal with it. I couldn't believe it. She should just have to make a phone call and someone should come get the kid and disicipline that kid. Why is the talent dicking with that kind of bull****?

This is the population of students that I teach. When a student is in "crisis" we have a specially trained teacher who escorts them from the classroom to a room where they can calm themselves and get them back to being able to learn. I work in one of the wealthiest school districts in the country (not bragging, just a fact) so we have the resources to have these types of teachers and resources while she may teach in a region where she has to be both teacher and therapist. It sucks to have to wear so many hats but that is basically what a teacher does. We are parents to these kids while they are in our schools, we are their counselors, role models, and we also are expected to teach them.

[cutthemdown]

I think when a student is in so much crisis they can't be in a classroom, the parents should just have to pick the little bastard up and deal with it themselves. More parent accountability is what it sounds like we need. If a kid doesn't do homework, is late for school, doesn't show up, or when he does acts like an ingrate, that **** is on the parents.

Maybe have schools for well behaved kids, and send the crappy ones home to mamma and poppa to home school.

[cutthemdown]

I don't have kids, haven't been a teacher, but it sounds like too many parents just drop kids off at school each day and that is the extent of their participation. Wasn't like that for me my parents were always involved in all the school plays, music etc etc. I remember my dad coming to my HS bandroom and fixing all the lighting under the stage the school had neglected for years. Really the teachers at a school are only as good as the parents at home. If parents send stupid, sloppy, misbehaving kids to school how is a teacher supposed to teach them?

[Garcia Bronco]

I have very little experience with special ed, outside a course in college when I was studying to get my teaching degree, which was all basically theory, designed for those who weren't going into special ed. I couldn't begin to get into what their challenges are.

I do agree though that discipline in schools is a joke. Teachers literally cannot do anything. I kind of like it that way, as you have to enforce those sorts of things evenly, and I'll be damned if I will let another human being discipline my child, outside the obvious things like in-school suspensions, crap like that. But what's the alternative? You can't send the kids home because then they're just going to be out on the streets. You'd literally have to force the parents to do something about it, but for problem kids, half probably don't have both parents, and the other half have parents that are too busy caring about their personal lives or careers to worry about the poor kid.

Can't say I know what the answer is about discipline in schools.

The special ed part is different and by discipline I don't mean spankings or any kind of physical contact, but I think someone besdies the teacher should handle that from administration. the teacher is the talent. They should be teaching the kids academics, not worring about margret's behavioral problems..

[ElwayMD]

I think when a student is in so much crisis they can't be in a classroom, the parents should just have to pick the little bastard up and deal with it themselves. More parent accountability is what it sounds like we need. If a kid doesn't do homework, is late for school, doesn't show up, or when he does acts like an ingrate, that **** is on the parents.

Maybe have schools for well behaved kids, and send the crappy ones home to mamma and poppa to home school.

If it is clear that the child will not be coming out of crisis and will be a distraction to the school for the remainder of the day parents are usually called to come get their kid. Unfortunately most parents know the school number and will ignore the call since that means they would have to leave work and come and get their child who is out of control. I will have kids come in so sick that they can barely stay awake because their parents don't want to have to deal with them for an entire day.

[cutthemdown]

If it is clear that the child will not be coming out of crisis and will be a distraction to the school for the remainder of the day parents are usually called to come get their kid. Unfortunately most parents know the school number and will ignore the call since that means they would have to leave work and come and get their child who is out of control. I will have kids come in so sick that they can barely stay awake because their parents don't want to have to deal with them for an entire day.

Wow that would piss me off to no end. Good stuff in this thread which has opened my eyes to how hard it must be to teach kids and run a school. I think what needs to happen is some laws that force parent accountability. For instance you could say we need 3 numbers to call if there is a problem with your kid. Then you say if we call and you don't answer, and none of the numbers get us an adult we document that. When it happens again you pay 100 bucks a pop. If you don't pay then your kid can find a new school to play at. If you burn bridges at public schools you will have to go private.

The problem sounds like although parents pay taxes for kids schools, they get off cheap compared to what it would really cost. Why? because people without kids also paying tax for them. Seriously though if a kid is disruptive, the parents don't give a crap, why should taxpayers have to pay to watch him 5 days a week at the expense of the kids who want to learn?

[houghtam]

Wow that would piss me off to no end. Good stuff in this thread which has opened my eyes to how hard it must be to teach kids and run a school. I think what needs to happen is some laws that force parent accountability. For instance you could say we need 3 numbers to call if there is a problem with your kid. This would be considered biased against the poor Then you say if we call and you don't answer, and none of the numbers get us an adult we document that. When it happens again you pay 100 bucks a pop. Biased against the poor If you don't pay then your kid can find a new school to play at. If you burn bridges at public schools you will have to go private. If they can't afford to pay $100 for classroom disruptions, how will they pay for private education?

The problem sounds like although parents pay taxes for kids schools, they get off cheap compared to what it would really cost. Why? because people without kids also paying tax for them. Seriously though if a kid is disruptive, the parents don't give a crap, why should taxpayers have to pay to watch him 5 days a week at the expense of the kids who want to learn?

See bold.

So now we have a child whose parents don't care who has been banned from public schools. Who do you think is going to foot the bill when this child ends up in jail or on welfare? Talk about a system that keeps poor people in their place..

[houghtam]

The special ed part is different and by discipline I don't mean spankings or any kind of physical contact, but I think someone besdies the teacher should handle that from administration. the teacher is the talent. They should be teaching the kids academics, not worring about margret's behavioral problems..

You're right about the administration being the ones who should be handling discipline problems.

One thing that I think we're realizing as more and more research comes out is that there is a WIDE array of differing learning styles and behavioral issues that we're just now barely scratching the surface on. This was the case while I was in school for education, and that was over 10 years ago. I'm beginning to think that we need to re-evaluate the entire education process and how best we can reach every child in the best way. Just like some people are visual learners and some learn by doing, there are just as many variations on how students learn as there are students.

The easy way out is to keep doing what we're doing, and say "welp, we're offering your child free education, it's your responsibility to have your child adjust to our standards." The hard thing to do, but in my opinion the right thing to do, is re-evaluate how we're educating people and how different learning styles not only affect what goes on in the classroom but also affect how other students in that classroom learn. I was in honors and AP classes all through high school, but the ones I learned the most in were with "normal" kids. The more points of view you get on a situation, the better the general level of learning is, IMO.

It's true that parents do not take responsibility for their kids' performance in school, but we also train our teachers and administrators (or SHOULD be training them) to spot and diagnose learning and behavioral disorders. Parents often do not have the education and training that educators do in that area. I know that as a parent, my view of my child will always be through rose-colored glasses; I may simply not realize that my child has issues at school, and although I may be smart enough to seek therapy after repeated issues, many parents are not.