Dem lets truth out of the bag.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

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[cutthemdown]

I don't know a lot about Bain. I guess we will soon though. Obama basically is making it the center point of his attack. The thing is though you can't judge them based on one steel mill. Has Bain been a profitable company for the shareholder? Have they made profit?

Obviously our govt has jobs that need to be cut, and depts that need to be eliminated, so a guy like Romney actually a good choice. He nows how to look at a business and say should we grow this, or gut it. Obama has no idea what to do. Just look at how he wasted that stimulus.

[peacepipe]

I don't know a lot about Bain. I guess we will soon though. Obama basically is making it the center point of his attack. The thing is though you can't judge them based on one steel mill. Has Bain been a profitable company for the shareholder? Have they made profit?

Obviously our govt has jobs that need to be cut, and depts that need to be eliminated, so a guy like Romney actually a good choice. He nows how to look at a business and say should we grow this, or gut it. Obama has no idea what to do. Just look at how he wasted that stimulus.

people don't care as much about the deficit as they do about job creation. as people find out more about bain, & find out bain was never about job creation but corporate profit,the more it's going to hurt willard. it isn't just 1 steel mill,there is more.

[cutthemdown]

BS. In private equity its often under performing firms and companies that get leveraged out. To try and say a private equity firm is a failure unless it creates jobs is a bunch of crap. Not surprised coming from a ****ing communist like yourself. Have a good day comrade.

[peacepipe]

BS. In private equity its often under performing firms and companies that get leveraged out. To try and say a private equity firm is a failure unless it creates jobs is a bunch of crap. Not surprised coming from a ****ing communist like yourself. Have a good day comrade.I never said bain was a failure cause it didn't create jobs,you fascist moron. I'm saying private equity firms like bain are not in the business of creating jobs,its about creating as much profit as possible. romney is running on the idea he can fool everyone into thinking his time at bain,gives him experience creating jobs,which it didn't. bain is not about creating jobs,bain was never about creating jobs.

[peacepipe]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-18/romney-backer-defends-bain-s-money-making-mission.html

A top surrogate to Mitt Romney said making money -- rather than creating jobs -- was the primary goal of the presumed Republican Party presidential nominee when he was running Bain Capital LLC, saying he “acted responsibly” as chief executive officer of the private-equity firm.

[cutthemdown]

I never said bain was a failure cause it didn't create jobs,you fascist moron. I'm saying private equity firms like bain are not in the business of creating jobs,its about creating as much profit as possible. romney is running on the idea he can fool everyone into thinking his time at bain,gives him experience creating jobs,which it didn't. bain is not about creating jobs,bain was never about creating jobs.

LOL it's Obama talking about Bain not Romney. Romney says all his experience will help him as prez. It's not like he is running commercials saying look at Bain, vote for me, you commie pig.

[peacepipe]

LOL it's Obama talking about Bain not Romney. Romney says all his experience will help him as prez. It's not like he is running commercials saying look at Bain, vote for me, you commie pig.

LOL hes running on his business experience. Obama has every right to point out bain.

[cutthemdown]

LOL hes running on his business experience. Obama has every right to point out bain.

Yes but the only judgement should be was Romney a success doing private equity. The answer is a yes. Just another example of how he does a good job with whatever he decides to do. His Olympics kicked ass also. Maybe Obama should run some ads about his many accomplishments in the business world.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Calm down, everyone. Corey was hog tied and safely returned to the Democratic plantation with very little incident. He's now changed his name to Toby and no longer considers thinking for himself as something Obama-bots do.

[peacepipe]

Yes but the only judgement should be was Romney a success doing private equity. The answer is a yes. Just another example of how he does a good job with whatever he decides to do. His Olympics kicked ass also. Maybe Obama should run some ads about his many accomplishments in the business world.it doesn't equate to being president.

[BroncoInferno]

Yes but the only judgement should be was Romney a success doing private equity.

Um, no. Romney is trying to make a connection between his success at private equity, and his qualifications to run the national economy. The question is whether or not there's an actual connection. The answer is no. Making Bain Capital profittable by firing a bunch of people does not qualify him to run the national economy, nor does it demonstrate that he knows how to create jobs since he did, you know, the opposite of that.

[alkemical]

I don't know a lot about Bain. I guess we will soon though. Obama basically is making it the center point of his attack. The thing is though you can't judge them based on one steel mill. Has Bain been a profitable company for the shareholder? Have they made profit?

Obviously our govt has jobs that need to be cut, and depts that need to be eliminated, so a guy like Romney actually a good choice. He nows how to look at a business and say should we grow this, or gut it. Obama has no idea what to do. Just look at how he wasted that stimulus.

You realize that gov't is already being run like a business, correct?

[DomCasual]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-18/romney-backer-defends-bain-s-money-making-mission.html

No ****? Romney's job at Bain Capital was to make money for his shareholders? You mean those selfish SOBs weren't investing their money just to create more jobs?

Those dirty bastards!

[DomCasual]

Romney is a smart guy. He knows how to accomplish objectives. His objective at Bain Capital was to make money. His objectives as POTUS would be entirely different. He is not a one-trick pony, by any means.

[peacepipe]

Romney is a smart guy. He knows how to accomplish objectives. His objective at Bain Capital was to make money. His objectives as POTUS would be entirely different. He is not a one-trick pony, by any means.LOL what he did with bain,by no means make him qualified to be president. hell,under his leadership,when he was governor of Mass. had the 4th worst job record. you would think with all his "expertise" as a business man he would've been better at job creation.

[peacepipe]

Romney is a smart guy. He knows how to accomplish objectives. His objective at Bain Capital was to make money. His objectives as POTUS would be entirely different. He is not a one-trick pony, by any means.

one-trick pony would be giving willard too much credit.

[DomCasual]

one-trick pony would be giving willard too much credit.

Well, you can't have it both ways. He either was really successful at raising money for investors, or he wasn't. You can't ridiculously criticize him for his self-made wealth, then say "one-trick pony would be giving willard too much credit."

I think liberals who thought they had the election in the bag three or four months ago are starting to get a little nervous.

[peacepipe]

Well, you can't have it both ways. He either was really successful at raising money for investors, or he wasn't. You can't ridiculously criticize him for his self-made wealth, then say "one-trick pony would be giving willard too much credit."
I think liberals who thought they had the election in the bag three or four months ago are starting to get a little nervous.I criticize the idea that because willard was successful with a private equity company that that makes him qualified to run a countrys' economy. the job of president is completely differant than that of a equity corp.

I have no doubts Obama will get re-elected.

[ant1999e]

You realize that gov't is already being run like a business, correct?

http://www.rttnews.com/1806522/pentagon-us-military-to-reduce-ground-forces-by-100000.aspx

100K people out of work...

[alkemical]

http://www.rttnews.com/1806522/pentagon-us-military-to-reduce-ground-forces-by-100000.aspx

100K people out of work...

Glad we got rid of those socialists.

[BroncoInferno]

Well, you can't have it both ways. He either was really successful at raising money for investors, or he wasn't. You can't ridiculously criticize him for his self-made wealth, then say "one-trick pony would be giving willard too much credit."

I think liberals who thought they had the election in the bag three or four months ago are starting to get a little nervous.

You are missing the point entirely, Dom. Romney is using his success as a businessman in the private sector as evidence that he knows how to run the national economy. The contention of myself and others is that the two aren't related in anyway whatsoever. He job as a businessman was to maximize shareholder earnings (as you stated yourself), and part of that formula was firing people to suck as much money as possible out of the various companies Bain was involved with. What the hell kind of creditional is this for running the national economy? It's two totally different things, requiring two totally different skill sets. If Romney is going to prop up his business acumen as valid economic creditionals, then it's fair to pick apart his business dealings to see how they relate to operating nationally. Do you understand the point now? It's not just to point out that Bain was vulture capitalist venture that would make Gordon Gekko proud (though it was certainly that), it's that it in no way respresents strong economic creditionals.

[alkemical]

You are missing the point entirely, Dom. Romney is using his success as a businessman in the private sector as evidence that he knows how to run the national economy. The contention of myself and others is that the two aren't related in anyway whatsoever. He job as a businessman was to maximize shareholder earnings (as you stated yourself), and part of that formula was firing people to suck as much money as possible out of the various companies Bain was involved with. What the hell kind of creditional is this for running the national economy? It's two totally different things, requiring two totally different skill sets. If Romney is going to prop up his business acumen as valid economic creditionals, then it's fair to pick apart his business dealings to see how they relate to operating nationally. Do you understand the point now? It's not just to point out that Bain was vulture capitalist venture that would make Gordon Gekko proud (though it was certainly that), it's that it in no way respresents strong economic creditionals.

Well, we might as just outscource DC to China and get it over with.

[TonyR]

If Romney’s “private sector experience” can be described as basically destroying healthy businesses to skim money for rich investors, then what does it mean to say he’ll bring that experience to bear in dealing with the economy, and with government? The obvious answer – intended by the Obama campaign – is that Romney will cut everybody’s benefits not to get the economy moving again, but to reduce taxes on the wealthy. That would be precisely analogous to what they are alleging he did at Bain: cut jobs not to save businesses, but to squeeze them for cash and then throw them away.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/millman/why-bain-matters-and-why-it-doesn/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-bain-matters-and-why-it-doesn

[El Minion]

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The truth is that wealthy donors control and/or significantly influence the candidates and their message. Yet because of your blind brand loyalty you only see half the problem emanating from one party and not the entire corrupt process, especially after the SCOTUS Citizens Unites ruling.

[El Minion]

Bain and Financial Industry Gave Over $565,000 To Newark Mayor Cory Booker For 2002 Campaign (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/21/488002/bain-financial-industy-gave-over-565000-to-newark-mayor-cory-booker-for-2002-campaign/)

By Josh Israel (http://thinkprogress.org/author/jisrael/) on May 21, 2012 at 6:13 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/CoryBooker.jpg
Mayor Cory Booker (D-Newark, NJ)

Yesterday, Newark, New Jersey Mayor Cory Booker (D) attacked the Obama campaign (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/20/487391/newark-mayor-cory-booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign/) for making an issue of Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital during an appearance on Meet the Press. While the progressive leader later backed off the criticisms (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cory-booker-obama-romney-attacks-20120521,0,1824656.story), Republicans have been quick to highlight (https://net.gop.com/istandwithcory) his comments as an attack (http://www.gop.com/index.php/briefing/comments/mayor_cory_booker_hits_obama_campaign_for_attacks_ on_private_sector) against the idea that scrutiny of Mitt Romney’s record as a businessman is fair game.

A ThinkProgress examination of New Jersey campaign finance (http://www.elec.state.nj.us/) records for Booker’s first run for Mayor — back in 2002 — suggests a possible reason for his unease with attacks on Bain Capital and venture capital. They were among his earliest and most generous backers.

Contributions to his 2002 campaign from venture capitalists, investors, and big Wall Street bankers brought him more than $115,000 for his 2002 campaign. Among those contributing to his campaign were John Connaughton ($2,000), Steve Pagliuca ($2,200), Jonathan Lavine ($1,000) — all of Bain Capital. While the forms are not totally clear, it appears the campaign raised less than $800,000 total, making this a significant percentage.

He and his slate also jointly raised funds for the “Booker Team for Newark” joint committee. They received more than $450,000 for the 2002 campaign from the sector — including a pair of $15,400 contributions from Bain Capital Managing Directors Joshua Bekenstein and Mark Nunnelly. It appears that for the initial campaign and runoff, the slate raised less than $4 million — again making this a sizable chunk.

In all — just in his first Mayoral run — Booker’s committees received more than $565,000 from the people he was defending. At least $36,000 of that came from folks at Romney’s old firm.

[DomCasual]

You are missing the point entirely, Dom. Romney is using his success as a businessman in the private sector as evidence that he knows how to run the national economy. The contention of myself and others is that the two aren't related in anyway whatsoever. He job as a businessman was to maximize shareholder earnings (as you stated yourself), and part of that formula was firing people to suck as much money as possible out of the various companies Bain was involved with. What the hell kind of creditional is this for running the national economy? It's two totally different things, requiring two totally different skill sets. If Romney is going to prop up his business acumen as valid economic creditionals, then it's fair to pick apart his business dealings to see how they relate to operating nationally. Do you understand the point now? It's not just to point out that Bain was vulture capitalist venture that would make Gordon Gekko proud (though it was certainly that), it's that it in no way respresents strong economic creditionals.

Well, in fairness, I was just referring to his circular argument. I said Romney wasn't a "one-trick pony" - referring to his experience in building equity for investors. He replied that he couldn't even call himself that - which honestly seems a little stupid. It's hard to argue that he was anything but successful at what he was tasked to do.

All that said, I think you have to consider two things:

1) What is the actual cumulative effect of his efforts with Bain, as it pertained to saving and cutting jobs? Sure, there are going to be some bad stories. And in fairness, if it was my job that was cut, I would probably be glad to jump on an Obama ad and talk about what a bunch of bastards Bain Capital was. But look at it, on the whole. Was he just slash and burn? Or did he end up creating something of a net-positive?

2) My feeling is that 1) is somewhat irrelevant (although I would still be willing to stand on it). He wasn't tasked at Bain with creating jobs. He was tasked to make money for his investors. He did that extraordinary well. He is a brilliant man. The main thing for which his opponents criticize him (the flip-flopping) is what I think is one of his greatest assets. He faces a task, and he figures a way to accomplish it. I have no doubt that he could find solutions to partisan problems. He's smart, and he is willing to compromise.

What I hate about politics, starting about twenty years ago, is the way it's become normal and acceptable to gum up the works. You aren't elected to go to Washington anymore to run the government. You're elected to go and draw your line in the sand. Everything is fatal, and everything is extreme. Everyone has their sacred cows, and no one is willing to sacrifice them.

My vote goes to the person/people I think are most committed to finding middle ground - even if that means having less sacred cows.

[elsid13]

Wonder why Rommey never talks about his economic successes when he was the Governor of Massachusetts? Being a state governor is lot more relevant to job that he wants then working for Bain 20 years ago.

[ant1999e]

Glad we got rid of those socialists.

At least they earn their money. BTW, you're really becoming an idiot.

[barryr]

What jobs did Obama create again before becoming president? Better yet, what jobs has Obama created since becoming president?

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Bain and Financial Industry Gave Over $565,000 To Newark Mayor Cory Booker For 2002 Campaign (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/21/488002/bain-financial-industy-gave-over-565000-to-newark-mayor-cory-booker-for-2002-campaign/)

By Josh Israel (http://thinkprogress.org/author/jisrael/) on May 21, 2012 at 6:13 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/CoryBooker.jpg
Mayor Cory Booker (D-Newark, NJ)

Yesterday, Newark, New Jersey Mayor Cory Booker (D) attacked the Obama campaign (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/20/487391/newark-mayor-cory-booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign/) for making an issue of Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital during an appearance on Meet the Press. While the progressive leader later backed off the criticisms (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cory-booker-obama-romney-attacks-20120521,0,1824656.story), Republicans have been quick to highlight (https://net.gop.com/istandwithcory) his comments as an attack (http://www.gop.com/index.php/briefing/comments/mayor_cory_booker_hits_obama_campaign_for_attacks_ on_private_sector) against the idea that scrutiny of Mitt Romney’s record as a businessman is fair game.

A ThinkProgress examination of New Jersey campaign finance (http://www.elec.state.nj.us/) records for Booker’s first run for Mayor — back in 2002 — suggests a possible reason for his unease with attacks on Bain Capital and venture capital. They were among his earliest and most generous backers.

Contributions to his 2002 campaign from venture capitalists, investors, and big Wall Street bankers brought him more than $115,000 for his 2002 campaign. Among those contributing to his campaign were John Connaughton ($2,000), Steve Pagliuca ($2,200), Jonathan Lavine ($1,000) — all of Bain Capital. While the forms are not totally clear, it appears the campaign raised less than $800,000 total, making this a significant percentage.

He and his slate also jointly raised funds for the “Booker Team for Newark” joint committee. They received more than $450,000 for the 2002 campaign from the sector — including a pair of $15,400 contributions from Bain Capital Managing Directors Joshua Bekenstein and Mark Nunnelly. It appears that for the initial campaign and runoff, the slate raised less than $4 million — again making this a sizable chunk.

In all — just in his first Mayoral run — Booker’s committees received more than $565,000 from the people he was defending. At least $36,000 of that came from folks at Romney’s old firm.

So he's a biotch to Bain? LOL Look it up. He tried to back track hours later after getting an earful from the big o admin. Is he now a biotch to big o? either way he's a biotch to someone except to the people he should be a biotch to.

[Requiem]

At least they earn their money. BTW, you're really becoming an idiot.

Not anymore they don't.

[ant1999e]

Not anymore they don't.

Just.more.people added.to the unemployment line. Let go to save money, kind of like Bain.

[peacepipe]

What jobs did Obama create again before becoming president? Better yet, what jobs has Obama created since becoming president?

we've had 25+ months of private sector job growth. 4million+ jobs so far.

[cutthemdown]

we've had 25+ months of private sector job growth. 4million+ jobs so far.

Better check the truthometer.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/17/nancy-pelosi/nancy-pelosi-says-more-jobs-created-obamas-first-y/

[peacepipe]

Better check the truthometer.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/17/nancy-pelosi/nancy-pelosi-says-more-jobs-created-obamas-first-y/

politifact is a BS site. they've been caught in BSing what is truth vs false. or should I say pretty loose when it comes to what is true or not.

[Rohirrim]

Well, in fairness, I was just referring to his circular argument. I said Romney wasn't a "one-trick pony" - referring to his experience in building equity for investors. He replied that he couldn't even call himself that - which honestly seems a little stupid. It's hard to argue that he was anything but successful at what he was tasked to do.

All that said, I think you have to consider two things:

1) What is the actual cumulative effect of his efforts with Bain, as it pertained to saving and cutting jobs? Sure, there are going to be some bad stories. And in fairness, if it was my job that was cut, I would probably be glad to jump on an Obama ad and talk about what a bunch of bastards Bain Capital was. But look at it, on the whole. Was he just slash and burn? Or did he end up creating something of a net-positive?

2) My feeling is that 1) is somewhat irrelevant (although I would still be willing to stand on it). He wasn't tasked at Bain with creating jobs. He was tasked to make money for his investors. He did that extraordinary well. He is a brilliant man. The main thing for which his opponents criticize him (the flip-flopping) is what I think is one of his greatest assets. He faces a task, and he figures a way to accomplish it. I have no doubt that he could find solutions to partisan problems. He's smart, and he is willing to compromise.

What I hate about politics, starting about twenty years ago, is the way it's become normal and acceptable to gum up the works. You aren't elected to go to Washington anymore to run the government. You're elected to go and draw your line in the sand. Everything is fatal, and everything is extreme. Everyone has their sacred cows, and no one is willing to sacrifice them.

My vote goes to the person/people I think are most committed to finding middle ground - even if that means having less sacred cows.

And that would be Romney, who has nearly broken his back veering so far to the Right to kiss the ass of the Right Wing extremists? Pleeze. The only reason you back him is because he shares your religion, and you seem willing to stretch the truth to any extreme to convince yourself that's not the case.

Romney was a corporate cannibal. That's how he made his bones. Anybody who thinks that America can be run like a business and that a business man would make a good president needs to look it up. Our last "businessman" president was Bush. Look around at the smoking ruin and see where that got us. Before that, it was Hoover. Same deal. America is not a business. The goals of government are entirely different than that of business.

Romney has absolutely no clue what the average American faces. If he is elected, he'll do what Bush did, cater to the people he knows and has been hanging out with his whole life, in his case, corporate bosses. Romney will simply bring more government by corporation.

[cutthemdown]

politifact is a BS site. they've been caught in BSing what is truth vs false. or should I say pretty loose when it comes to what is true or not.

You cherry picked the numbers just like Pelosi did. Whatever both sides do it. The main point is the economy not really good enough for people for Obama to tout it. You can try and use numbers, fudge them around, compare them to Bush etc etc but it always comes down to one question.

Do you feel better off then you were 4 yrs ago. Do you feel Obama came through on his hope and change. People on the street apparently answering no to these questions in polling.

Not a huge deal yet it's still pretty early. Lets see how these commercials pan out. Obama going negative, Romney for the most part laying low. When you are doing well no reason to even respond to the attacks.

I noticed he was bringing up education a lot last few days. Sounds like he wants to talk education, let Obama convince you he is on top of the economy by pointing out Romney super rich from being predatory private equity trader. Generally though Americans admire people who made a ton of money. Sure about half the people don't but they were already voting Obama. Lot's of independents do admire a good businessman though.

[peacepipe]

chwrry pick? everybody has been paying attention to the job reports. we've been adding at a minimum a 120,000 jobs a month. some months 200,000+ jobs but yet you want to ignore that.

[DomCasual]

And that would be Romney, who has nearly broken his back veering so far to the Right to kiss the ass of the Right Wing extremists? Pleeze. The only reason you back him is because he shares your religion, and you seem willing to stretch the truth to any extreme to convince yourself that's not the case.

Romney was a corporate cannibal. That's how he made his bones. Anybody who thinks that America can be run like a business and that a business man would make a good president needs to look it up. Our last "businessman" president was Bush. Look around at the smoking ruin and see where that got us. Before that, it was Hoover. Same deal. America is not a business. The goals of government are entirely different than that of business.

Romney has absolutely no clue what the average American faces. If he is elected, he'll do what Bush did, cater to the people he knows and has been hanging out with his whole life, in his case, corporate bosses. Romney will simply bring more government by corporation.

Well, yeah. Otherwise, we'd be talking about an Obama-Perry, Obama-Gingrich, Obama-Santorum, or Obama-Bachmann election right now.

I don't particularly care for where the Republican Party has gone, of late. But, I can be honest. There had to be some soul-selling to win the nomination. Otherwise, we're talking about a small group of the most ignorant people in the country being thrilled with their candidate - too prideful and dumb to realize that he/she has no chance of winning the general election.

[Requiem]

Just.more.people added.to the unemployment line. Let go to save money, kind of like Bain.

Well, when you go back to the unemployment line, you get right back in line to apply for jobs. I took two weeks off for kidney treatment and visited my grandparents when I was back in South Dakota, after my time in the hospital and with them, I sent out one job application in my hometown for a position on a Saturday. I got a call back Monday. I got the job on the spot Tuesday after I floored the dude after a ten minute interview. He even thought I deserved more pay and deemed me overqualified compared to the other employees, but the nature of the position and type of work wouldn't allow for that. I told him, "Sir, I'm just thankful for the opportunity. I'll be your hardest worker and I'll even train my co-workers on the things they aren't up to par with. Whatever I can do to help make this a successful partnership, I will do. This is a great thing for me and I'm thankful."

I think Garcia mentioned it before, if you are out of work more than 3 months at a time, it is probably a personal problem, regardless of the economy.

Plenty of jobs available out there, but a lot of people think they are too good for them. I got pretty lucky to get the job I start next Tuesday, but then again, you miss all the shots you don't take. I used to have the mentality that because I went to school, certain work was beneath me. Really, it isn't. I'm just thankful to have work.

[El Minion]

So he's a biotch to Bain? LOL Look it up. He tried to back track hours later after getting an earful from the big o admin. Is he now a biotch to big o? either way he's a biotch to someone except to the people he should be a biotch to.

What of Republicans?

http://www.trbimg.com/img-4fb1e709/turbine/la-na-tt-big-business-20120514-001/600

[TonyR]

What jobs did Obama create again before becoming president? Better yet, what jobs has Obama created since becoming president?

LOL

You sound just like the dope whose comments are quoted and then refuted in the post linked below. You people keep repeating this nonsense and the repetition has made it your reality.


The month before he took office, the US lost 900,000 jobs in the worst recession, caused by a financial crash. No month has been as bad since and within a year, the US was gaining jobs again. Unemployment remains too high, but it is slowly retreating, as is often the case after a financial panic-caused recession.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/malkin.html

[ant1999e]

Well, when you go back to the unemployment line, you get right back in line to apply for jobs. I took two weeks off for kidney treatment and visited my grandparents when I was back in South Dakota, after my time in the hospital and with them, I sent out one job application in my hometown for a position on a Saturday. I got a call back Monday. I got the job on the spot Tuesday after I floored the dude after a ten minute interview. He even thought I deserved more pay and deemed me overqualified compared to the other employees, but the nature of the position and type of work wouldn't allow for that. I told him, "Sir, I'm just thankful for the opportunity. I'll be your hardest worker and I'll even train my co-workers on the things they aren't up to par with. Whatever I can do to help make this a successful partnership, I will do. This is a great thing for me and I'm thankful."

I think Garcia mentioned it before, if you are out of work more than 3 months at a time, it is probably a personal problem, regardless of the economy.

Plenty of jobs available out there, but a lot of people think they are too good for them. I got pretty lucky to get the job I start next Tuesday, but then again, you miss all the shots you don't take. I used to have the mentality that because I went to school, certain work was beneath me. Really, it isn't. I'm just thankful to have work.

Rep, we agree on something. I think that there are jobs out there, it's just that some would rather collect unemployment then work. I know Spider disagrees but I've witnessed it in my family.

[DomCasual]

Well, when you go back to the unemployment line, you get right back in line to apply for jobs. I took two weeks off for kidney treatment and visited my grandparents when I was back in South Dakota, after my time in the hospital and with them, I sent out one job application in my hometown for a position on a Saturday. I got a call back Monday. I got the job on the spot Tuesday after I floored the dude after a ten minute interview. He even thought I deserved more pay and deemed me overqualified compared to the other employees, but the nature of the position and type of work wouldn't allow for that. I told him, "Sir, I'm just thankful for the opportunity. I'll be your hardest worker and I'll even train my co-workers on the things they aren't up to par with. Whatever I can do to help make this a successful partnership, I will do. This is a great thing for me and I'm thankful."

I think Garcia mentioned it before, if you are out of work more than 3 months at a time, it is probably a personal problem, regardless of the economy.

Plenty of jobs available out there, but a lot of people think they are too good for them. I got pretty lucky to get the job I start next Tuesday, but then again, you miss all the shots you don't take. I used to have the mentality that because I went to school, certain work was beneath me. Really, it isn't. I'm just thankful to have work.

You're going to be a sandwich artist, aren't you?

(I kid. I'm a kidder.)

[Requiem]

Rep, we agree on something. I think that there are jobs out there, it's just that some would rather collect unemployment then work. I know Spider disagrees but I've witnessed it in my family.

I wrestled with the idea of getting unemployment for the past month, but I wasn't sure I was eligible because my permanent residence is in a different state than where I was working. Then again, I paid off all my bills until July in anticipation of not finding work because it was the responsible thing to do. Things have been tough for sure, full blown relapse and the deal with my grandparents, but I'm a fighter. I applied for one job that peaked my interested and got it. Now I'm stoked because I'll have 5 weeks of pay coming to me that is going straight into the bank before another bill is even due. Hard work pays off, and there are a lot of toads out there who just don't want to work. Then, there are people out there who are unable to work for various reasons.

A few stories on toads not wanting to work:

When I was fishing at the lake the other day, a girl (my age) came in and visited with my friends and was talking about how she was getting $400 dollars in assistance for food stamps a month because she was only working part-time because she just had two kids. She was saying any money they didn't spend, rolled over to the next month on EBT and she said she was going to throw a party and spend like $500 of food stamp money for that purpose. Her partner works full-time too and makes easily $13 an hour doing construction for the state an hour, but somehow they are able to rape the system and get food stamps. Well, I say it was probably a bad idea for an unmarried couple with only one person working at the time to go and have two kids. But, who am I to judge?

I also had a friend in Colorado try to buy me my groceries with his EBT card in exchange for cash, but told him I would have no part in participating in an illegal activity. He just wanted that cash to buy drugs. I wouldn't enable him. Instead, I called a local landscaping company and asked them if they were hiring for the summer. They said sure, we need about 20 more hands. I gave him their phone number and helped him type up a resume, but he didn't even bother to apply. Now he is mad at me because I left Colorado and didn't take me with him. The sad thing is that he is a Veteran and knows what it is like to sacrifice and work hard. He's just so messed up right now that he believes other people should take care of him. I'm not sure if he is still getting benefits or what, but I can't imagine things could be so bad for him. He got fired from his job he had this winter because he threatened his supervisors and made harassing calls to the HR Department about not getting the hours he was promised and a whole bunch of other stuff. A part of me feels for him, but he did it to himself.

Story 3: Another dude came over to my pals house when we were watching the Clippers game the other night and said he was only working 25-30 hours a week at one job during the summer doing Parks and Recreations stuff, because he'd still get unemployment benefits from his other job if he didn't hit the 32 hour mark (which constitutes full-time status). This is a classic example of someone milking the system for all it's worth. He's making more than he would be now abusing the system than he would if he just worked full-time. He found a loophole, but that still really sucks.

Some people are just screwing the system for sure, and it is quite disheartening to see.

[Requiem]

You're going to be a sandwich artist, aren't you?

(I kid. I'm a kidder.)

Nah, but I've considered getting another job working a night or two a week just to bring in extra dough. Figured if I got an extra 10 hours a week doing something like that, that could just be a payment towards a vehicle. I do know that Subway is hiring in town. I wonder if David Kircus will be there? :)

Ideally, I could get a sports writing job with the local newspaper covering the stuff going on in town on the weekends, but I'm not sure if their are any openings.

I'll be making good enough $ to where I won't even need one, but working will keep me away from the bars in town, which is pretty much what kids my age do in town since there is nothing else to do. And since I really can't drink, I don't wanna be in those environments anyways. That is where all the trouble is in town because everyone gets wasted and the white people in town do not get along with the minorities who have moved here whatsoever.

I went to my favorite spot in town to get some nachos and drink a few brews and watch a Twins game, and I pulled up to five dudes slapping beer bottles on the ground and trying to kill each other. This town has gone down the ****ter in the seven years I've been away.

[DomCasual]

Nah, but I've considered getting another job working a night or two a week just to bring in extra dough. Figured if I got an extra 10 hours a week doing something like that, that could just be a payment towards a vehicle. I do know that Subway is hiring in town. I wonder if David Kircus will be there? :)

Ideally, I could get a sports writing job with the local newspaper covering the stuff going on in town on the weekends, but I'm not sure if their are any openings.

I'll be making good enough $ to where I won't even need one, but working will keep me away from the bars in town, which is pretty much what kids my age do in town since there is nothing else to do. And since I really can't drink, I don't wanna be in those environments anyways. That is where all the trouble is in town because everyone gets wasted and the white people in town do not get along with the minorities who have moved here whatsoever.

I went to my favorite spot in town to get some nachos and drink a few brews and watch a Twins game, and I pulled up to five dudes slapping beer bottles on the ground and trying to kill each other. This town has gone down the ****ter in the seven years I've been away.

Hey, I hate to pull rank on you, but I was a sandwich artist once. Crazily enough, it's how I became Mormon. Out of high school, my buddies and I went into a Subway, and there were a bunch of girls working there. It turns out, they were all Mormon, and the mom of one of them owned the store. I had worked at Arby's one summer in high school, and I swore I would never work fast food again. But as an 18-year-old kid, my little head trumped my big head - about ten minutes into talking to all these girls, my buddies and I were whipped, so we all got applications. I ended up dating one the girls, joining the church, and going on a mission. Before I even left, she had dumped me.

I should totally do a Subway commercial! "Work at Subway! See the world!"

[Requiem]

Probably the best story I have read in a few weeks.

[ant1999e]

I wrestled with the idea of getting unemployment for the past month, but I wasn't sure I was eligible because my permanent residence is in a different state than where I was working. Then again, I paid off all my bills until July in anticipation of not finding work because it was the responsible thing to do. Things have been tough for sure, full blown relapse and the deal with my grandparents, but I'm a fighter. I applied for one job that peaked my interested and got it. Now I'm stoked because I'll have 5 weeks of pay coming to me that is going straight into the bank before another bill is even due. Hard work pays off, and there are a lot of toads out there who just don't want to work. Then, there are people out there who are unable to work for various reasons.

A few stories on toads not wanting to work:

When I was fishing at the lake the other day, a girl (my age) came in and visited with my friends and was talking about how she was getting $400 dollars in assistance for food stamps a month because she was only working part-time because she just had two kids. She was saying any money they didn't spend, rolled over to the next month on EBT and she said she was going to throw a party and spend like $500 of food stamp money for that purpose. Her partner works full-time too and makes easily $13 an hour doing construction for the state an hour, but somehow they are able to rape the system and get food stamps. Well, I say it was probably a bad idea for an unmarried couple with only one person working at the time to go and have two kids. But, who am I to judge?

I also had a friend in Colorado try to buy me my groceries with his EBT card in exchange for cash, but told him I would have no part in participating in an illegal activity. He just wanted that cash to buy drugs. I wouldn't enable him. Instead, I called a local landscaping company and asked them if they were hiring for the summer. They said sure, we need about 20 more hands. I gave him their phone number and helped him type up a resume, but he didn't even bother to apply. Now he is mad at me because I left Colorado and didn't take me with him. The sad thing is that he is a Veteran and knows what it is like to sacrifice and work hard. He's just so messed up right now that he believes other people should take care of him. I'm not sure if he is still getting benefits or what, but I can't imagine things could be so bad for him. He got fired from his job he had this winter because he threatened his supervisors and made harassing calls to the HR Department about not getting the hours he was promised and a whole bunch of other stuff. A part of me feels for him, but he did it to himself.

Story 3: Another dude came over to my pals house when we were watching the Clippers game the other night and said he was only working 25-30 hours a week at one job during the summer doing Parks and Recreations stuff, because he'd still get unemployment benefits from his other job if he didn't hit the 32 hour mark (which constitutes full-time status). This is a classic example of someone milking the system for all it's worth. He's making more than he would be now abusing the system than he would if he just worked full-time. He found a loophole, but that still really sucks.

Some people are just screwing the system for sure, and it is quite disheartening to see.

See, this is my problem with those who are so quick to cut the defense budget. The first people it effects are vets, retirees and active duty. Hence the 100K losing their jobs. These are people who volunteered to serve their country whether the war is right or wrong, they do it. Get shot at, die and sacrifice time with their families. They give so much but are the first to take it in the azz. But then, you have people like my bro in law who is a meth addict. Didn't have a job and was getting about $400 a month on his EBT card. And all he would do is sell it for drugs. I have many examples of this in my own family. People too lazy to work and just mooch off the system.
I understand there are many who need it. My mom in law was a single mother of three. Worked 10 hours a day. She worked hard and needed the assistance.
Cut the defense budget, that's fine. But lets clean up other government programs as well. Repubs got to give a little and so do the dems. We all gotta do our "Fair Share".

[mhgaffney]

Hey, I hate to pull rank on you, but I was a sandwich artist once. Crazily enough, it's how I became Mormon. Out of high school, my buddies and I went into a Subway, and there were a bunch of girls working there. It turns out, they were all Mormon, and the mom of one of them owned the store. I had worked at Arby's one summer in high school, and I swore I would never work fast food again. But as an 18-year-old kid, my little head trumped my big head - about ten minutes into talking to all these girls, my buddies and I were whipped, so we all got applications. I ended up dating one the girls, joining the church, and going on a mission. Before I even left, she had dumped me.

I should totally do a Subway commercial! "Work at Subway! See the world!"

Did you have the good sense to dump your Mormonism?

[Bronco Yoda]

Romney is a smart guy. He knows how to accomplish objectives. His objective at Bain Capital was to make money. His objectives as POTUS would be entirely different. He is not a one-trick pony, by any means.

I must stick up for the Mormons also. They historically are not a one-"trick" pony. Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!

Booooom!

http://cdn.babble.com/famecrawler/files/2011/03/sister-wives-snuggie-ellen.jpg
(is it just me or does is seem somebody's cutting in here?)

[Requiem]

See, this is my problem with those who are so quick to cut the defense budget. The first people it effects are vets, retirees and active duty. Hence the 100K losing their jobs. These are people who volunteered to serve their country whether the war is right or wrong, they do it. Get shot at, die and sacrifice time with their families. They give so much but are the first to take it in the azz. But then, you have people like my bro in law who is a meth addict. Didn't have a job and was getting about $400 a month on his EBT card. And all he would do is sell it for drugs. I have many examples of this in my own family. People too lazy to work and just mooch off the system.
I understand there are many who need it. My mom in law was a single mother of three. Worked 10 hours a day. She worked hard and needed the assistance.
Cut the defense budget, that's fine. But lets clean up other government programs as well. Repubs got to give a little and so do the dems. We all gotta do our "Fair Share".

I think that you will see that most people who are inclined to cut the defense budget are also in favor of coming up with ways to eliminate the abuse that goes on in social programs. Most reasonable people realize there is government waste everywhere. Stuff needs to be re-vamped no doubt.

Too many people assume the wrong things when people state that the defense budget needs to be cut. There is a ridiculous amount of private contracting, spending on weapons systems and other waste that is going on that is truly ridiculous. Nobody here (I think) wants to see veterans and soldiers pay and benefits (whether it be educational, health, etc.) cut. They have earned those.

My cousin, who was a Staff Sergeant in Rangers (now a recruiter) has given me tons of articles and research on things that could be cut from the defense budget that he wouldn't have a problem with, and we would be saving billions in the process. He is also active in speaking out against cuts to the things you mentioned as well.

I'd venture to say that there is more outrageous, unnecessary spending that goes on in regards to defense than there is actual abuse of social programs in America. Neither of them are good things and should definitely be addressed. For the most part, they are Catch-22 issues with the GP.

[DomCasual]

Did you have the good sense to dump your Mormonism?

I feel like I've just walked past the State Mental Hospital, and had a patient yell "You crazy bastard!" from one of the barred windows.

[BroncoBeavis]

I feel like I've just walked past the State Mental Hospital, and had a patient yell "You crazy bastard!" from one of the barred windows.

Even seeing Gaff post that has me questioning my non-Mormon faith.

If Gaff says it makes no sense, doesn't that by definition make it make sense?

I'm really going to have to reflect on this over a Sam Smith Oat Brew and figure out what I'm doing with my life.

Or wait, that doesn't work.