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baja
11-17-2012, 06:49 PM
Fox also deserves a ton of credit for this defense.

Why do you say that. Traditionally he lets his coordinators coach.

Don't think he has a major input for personal.

But he gets my vote for coach of the year for holding it all together.

bowtown
11-17-2012, 07:04 PM
Why do you say that. Traditionally he lets his coordinators coach.

Don't think he has a major input for personal.

But he gets my vote for coach of the year for holding it all together.

What makes you say that Fox doesn't get a lot of input on personel, especially on defense? You think that it's just a coincidence that we have so many assistant coaches that used to work under him in Carolina? You think Elway is pulling the trigger on players--especially defensive--without checking with him?

Fox is a defensive coach. He has a lot of practice at building a defense and a staff to accomplish that. If you really think that he just sits back and has no influence on the players, the plan, or the mindset, I think you would be mistaken. This defense has been improving since the minute he walked in the door. He's the constant.

errand
11-17-2012, 07:04 PM
Why do you say that. Traditionally he lets his coordinators coach.

Don't think he has a major input for personal.

But he gets my vote for coach of the year for holding it all together.

Keep in mind he was instrumental from his prior working history in getting JDR to come to Denver when he could have easily retired and spent more time with his family watching his kids grow up etc....

lonestar
11-17-2012, 07:45 PM
Keep in mind he was instrumental from his prior working history in getting JDR to come to Denver when he could have easily retired and spent more time with his family watching his kids grow up etc....

Not sure what he is making here but the contract he was was on when he was fired, still had $5,000,000.00 left on it.

I'm guessing your correct he could have at least taken it easy and not worked, but I'll bet that when John F called he just could not say know.

The article also said he enjoys being on the field with his guys more than the other parts othe HC resposiblilities.

I also gathered that IF he moves on again it will be forthe perfect job. Not just the first thing that jumps up. ..

Let hope that is a long time and he is able to train his replacement to take over and keep things moving forward.

Remember that Kubes turned down opportunities a couple of time waiting to go back home to HOU.

Someone said that fox had lots to do with the D. Absolutely he has so far not only in those players taken (John E apparently listens well and asks great questions of his staff) but who he has got on his staff. So while he may not be giving little tips to the players the overall scheme is his along with JDR.

If it were not for Fox JDR most likely would be a talking head on TV. Therefore getting his FULL contract value from JAX. We probably got a deal and JaX pays the difference in that 5 mil.

baja
11-17-2012, 07:49 PM
What makes you say that Fox doesn't get a lot of input on personel, especially on defense? You think that it's just a coincidence that we have so many assistant coaches that used to work under him in Carolina? You think Elway is pulling the trigger on players--especially defensive--without checking with him?

Fox is a defensive coach. He has a lot of practice at building a defense and a staff to accomplish that. If you really think that he just sits back and has no influence on the players, the plan, or the mindset, I think you would be mistaken. This defense has been improving since the minute he walked in the door. He's the constant.

By personal I meant players. Sorry not clear. I expect he was allowed to hire all his assistants. I read some where that Elway is listening to his scouting people and making decisions accordingly.

Im sure Fox signs off on them but I doubt he finds them, players that is.

baja
11-17-2012, 07:49 PM
Keep in mind he was instrumental from his prior working history in getting JDR to come to Denver when he could have easily retired and spent more time with his family watching his kids grow up etc....

See post 255

bowtown
11-17-2012, 09:50 PM
By personal I meant players. Sorry not clear. I expect he was allowed to hire all his assistants. I read some where that Elway is listening to his scouting people and making decisions accordingly.

Im sure Fox signs off on them but I doubt he finds them, players that is.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single coach in the league who actually finds players.

baja
11-17-2012, 10:01 PM
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single coach in the league who actually finds players.


Mike Shanahan & Josh McDaniels

bowtown
11-17-2012, 10:11 PM
Mike Shanahan & Josh McDaniels

Nope both relied on their scouts like everyone else.

baja
11-17-2012, 10:15 PM
Nope both relied on their scouts like everyone else.

Josh went after his boys in NE

There is a story going around that Mike would watch highlight clips of players and draft them without even talking with them, saying to his staff when warned about said player, "He has never been coached by me".

lonestar
11-17-2012, 11:02 PM
By personal I meant players. Sorry not clear. I expect he was allowed to hire all his assistants. I read some where that Elway is listening to his scouting people and making decisions accordingly.

Im sure Fox signs off on them but I doubt he finds them, players that is.

Actually all HCs do. Of course except only mikey scouts college players :giggle:.. Or totally overrides their decisions based on his own innate ability to know they will be the best only if he is their coach..

Most allow the scouting department to do their jobs, after giving them direction on what their criteria is..

Speed
smarts
coach able
size
ability to put more weight on.
how they play.
what their coaches as far back as HS have to say about them.
if they have to play a certain position or multiple ones.

I'd guess all of those are near the top of the grading list with probably another hundred other things to grade them on.

After they are all graded the position coaches probably watch film with the scouts.. their recommendations are then given to Coordinators and HC who all discuss it with the GM in this case Elway..

lonestar
11-17-2012, 11:15 PM
Josh went after his boys in NE

There is a story going around that Mike would watch highlight clips of players and draft them without even talking with them, saying to his staff when warned about said player, "He has never been coached by me".

As far as Josh is concerned..

IIRC mikey did the same thing going after players he had coached or had on his team when he was a coordinator or his coordinators knew them.... TWO jump out immediately Eddie Mc and Romo.. I'm sure there were others..

They wanted players that understood them and their schemes they were putting together..

I do not understand why anyone would have a problem with that..

For example:
Why try to teach a hard headed QB your playbook when you can bring one in that already knows it and can (like Manning is doing) be an on the field coach because 10 other players need to learn it..

It Makes the transition so much easier than teaching the coaches, then the QB and then all the rest on O..

Cassell flourished with the playbook when Brady went down, does anyone think he would not have done so in DEN?

Does anyone really think that Wolf would have been John E first choice this year, that was all Fox and JDR..

Yeah I know few will get it because they hate NE and anything to do with it.. Yada Yada Yada

Yes the story about mikey is true,, the supreme EGO..

Bronco Rob
11-18-2012, 09:42 PM
How Jack Del Rio's defense shutdown the deadbolts:



Punt
Punt
Punt
Punt
Interception
Punt
Punt
Blocked Punt
Punt
Punt
Punt
Fumble
Touchdown
Interception
Touchdown
End of Game





:thumbs:

Gutless Drunk
11-19-2012, 08:06 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21049059/week-11-judgements-broncos-dominant-defense-big-reason-for-recent-surge

DENVER -- For all the attention Denver gets because of quarterback Peyton Manning -- and rightly so -- it's about time someone notices what's happening with the Broncos' defense. And what's happening is that it's shutting down opponent after opponent, with three of its last six victories over opponents who couldn't score more than 14 points. One of them was New Orleans, and you see what the Saints have done since Denver buried them.

"I think we woke them up," said Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey. So do I. But somebody should wake up to a Denver defense that stuffed San Diego on 11 of its first 12 third downs Sunday, held the Chargers to 54 first-half yards and forced eight Mike Scifres' punts -- in one half.

"I think it's the best Denver defense I've seen since I've been playing," quarterback Philip Rivers said afterward. "I don't know, just coming off the field I'd say it's as good a group as they've had because they can rush you with four down linemen, can play coverage and mix pressure."

Rivers should know. He was sacked four times and intercepted twice. He also fumbled three times, with one of them lost, and get used to it. But the Broncos can do that to you. This is a defense that had a run of 26 consecutive third-down stops ended Sunday when the Chargers finally hit after 11 misses in a row. That streak, which includes the past three games, is the longest in the NFL in 10 years and merely another reason to put the Broncos at or near the top of the AFC.

2. Those three sacks do more than push Denver's Von Miller to 13 for the season; they have him in the race for Defensive Player of the Year with J.J. Watt and Charles Tillman ... and the gap is closing.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-19-2012, 08:13 AM
My favorite addition in the offseason behind Manning. JDR hopefully stays for a few years.

pricejj
11-19-2012, 09:01 AM
Amazing what a difference a real coordinator makes (thanks JDR). Meanwhile Dennis Allen's Defense, in Oakland, is last in the NFL.

but don't forget...

It is beginning to appear that we may be witnessing one of the greatest seasons by a Defensive player ever. Von Miller is picking up the sack pace and displaying absolute domination. He is on pace for 21 sacks, after starting the year a little slow.

If Miller has a big game against the Chiefs...he will be on pace to break the NFL single-season sack record.

Drunken.Broncoholic
11-19-2012, 09:23 AM
Amazing what a difference a real coordinator makes (thanks JDR). Meanwhile Dennis Allen's Defense, in Oakland, is last in the NFL.

but don't forget...

It is beginning to appear that we may be witnessing one of the greatest seasons by a Defensive player ever. Von Miller is picking up the sack pace and displaying absolute domination. He is on pace for 21 sacks, after starting the year a little slow.

If Miller has a big game against the Chiefs...he will be on pace to break the NFL single-season sack record.

No sophomore slump for him. Dude is lethal

DBroncos4life
11-19-2012, 09:33 AM
The last time Fox and JDR hooked up they messed around about won a SB.

Bronco Rob
11-21-2012, 01:45 AM
This defense has 26 three and outs so far this season.





:strong:

2KBack
11-21-2012, 05:46 AM
The last time Fox and JDR hooked up they messed around about won a SB.

Not quite....Del Rio was in Jacksonville during the Carolina SB run. He was the DC for Fox the previous year.

CEH
11-21-2012, 06:22 AM
Scored 301 points (30.1/g), 2nd of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 212 points (21.2/g), 11th.
Differential of 89 points (8.9/g), 4th.

Last year we were also in the mist of a 5 game winning streak .

Anyone see a difference between last year and this year. Last year's was cute and fun during but this year's is down right dominate.

I guess this is what Elway had in mind when he said he wanted to compete for Super Bowls

Bronco Rob
12-17-2012, 11:05 AM
The Broncos Defense on Sunday had SEVEN three and out vs the Ravens, most by any team this season.


Joe Flacco's QBR for the game 0.4!



:thumbs:

Rohirrim
12-17-2012, 11:12 AM
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that JDR doesn't go anywhere after this season. I don't hold out much hope for it, though. There are going to be a lot of openings.

Bronco Rob
12-17-2012, 09:42 PM
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that JDR doesn't go anywhere after this season. I don't hold out much hope for it, though. There are going to be a lot of openings.


In a meeting with the Broncos on March 9 the four-time league MVP turned to coach John Fox's two chief aides, offensive coordinator Mike McCoy and defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio, and inquired, "What about you guys? You one and done?" Meaning: Will you take the first head-coaching offer you get if we have success here in 2012?

The question surprised both men. Del Rio, fired as the Jaguars' coach three months earlier, said all he wanted to do was get back to hand-on coaching and away from the politics of the top job. McCoy said he turned down one head-coaching interview last year because it didn't feel right; he said he'd leave only for the right job.



http://cnnsi.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?expire=&title=The+behind-the-scenes+story+of+how+the+most+prized+free+-+04.02.12+-+SI+Vault&urlID=474121005&action=cpt&partnerID=289881&fb=Y&url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1196623/index.htm



McCoy will be elsewhere in 2013.



:thumbs:

lonestar
12-17-2012, 09:47 PM
The Broncos Defense on Sunday had SEVEN three and out vs the Ravens, most by any team this season.


Joe Flacco's QBR for the game 0.4!



:thumbs:

actually seemed to remember that they only made 1 of 12 3rd down conversions..

Bronco Rob
12-17-2012, 10:00 PM
Mark Kiszla: Broncos show Ravens how NFL defense is really played

What makes a great defense?

"Guys like Lewis, Ed Reed, (Terrell) Suggs. Those are some great players. Future Hall of Famers," said Bailey, saluting the defensive stars who gave Baltimore a nasty reputation.

But it's the leaps-and-bounds, breakout improvement of younger Broncos such as linebacker Wesley Woodyard, safety Rahim Moore and cornerback Chris Harris that has allowed Denver to turn the screws on foes tighter with each passing week. Much of the credit goes to the teacher.

So Broncomaniacs had better enjoy Del Rio while they can. After leading Valor Christian to a Colorado state prep championship, teenage quarterback Luke Del Rio has decided to take the bold step of walking on at Alabama.

Should Nick Saban cash in on another national championship with the Crimson Tide and return to the pros for a name-the-price contract, Bama could do worse than hire Luke's father at a salary that should more than cover the cost of the kid's tuition, room and books. :thumbsdow

Stopping the run was identified as Denver's weakness. Since the sixth week of this NFL season, however, guess which team has been as good as any in the league at stuffing the run.

"Del Rio gets it. He's very confident in his approach. He believes in what he coaches. And that confidence is contagious," Broncos middle linebacker Keith Brooking said.

Not since 2005, when the Broncos advanced to the AFC championship game, has Denver limited foes to fewer than 300 points in the regular season. As Cleveland and Kansas City are all that remains on the schedule, the Broncos could do it again.

Because this ain't the Orange Crush.

But it is potent. Heck, somewhere down the road, this stuff might even be enough to knock Brady on his buns.


http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_22205096/mark-kiszla-broncos-show-ravens-how-nfl-defense



Did not know about JDR's kid......


Bummer...

Nwp-Apap
12-17-2012, 10:15 PM
The Broncos have the 2nd best rush defense in the league. Crazy

Greatspirits
12-18-2012, 11:09 AM
I'm hoping if the Bronx don't win the Super Bowl this year Del Rio and McCoy will stick around knowing the chances of winning a Super Bowl will be even greater the next couple of years.

CEH
12-18-2012, 11:38 AM
The Broncos have the 2nd best rush defense in the league. Crazy

Awesome. A tride and true stat. Stop the run. Last Sunday we took away Baltimore's best player by stopping the run of Ray Rice and then also getting off the field on 3rd down

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-18-2012, 12:34 PM
[QUOTE=Greatspirits;3757645]I'm hoping if the Bronx don't win the Super Bowl this year Del Rio and McCoy will stick around knowing the chances of winning a Super Bowl will be even greater the next couple of years.[/QU

??????
Are you insane!!!! SB OR BUST!!!!!
Next year will take care of its self. All coaches leave at some point. Although I would like to keep him a while longer I wouldn't want to lose just to keep him. Besides losing doesn't guarantee he'll stay. Just by the fact that he has changed a 20ish ranked defense into a top 5 defense should get him a lot of interest.

Kaylore
12-18-2012, 02:31 PM
He said top ten, but facing two anemic offenses and already in the top five, we're probably finishing top five. Well done, Del Rio. Well done.

baja
12-18-2012, 02:41 PM
We are giving up 19.6 for 5th place in defense

Atlanta in 4th place is giving up 18.5

so we could overtake Atlanta by season's end. We just have to give up 17 points less than them in the next two games.

They play Detroit and Tampa Bay two teams that are known to score points.

pricejj
12-18-2012, 02:47 PM
The Broncos currently allow 19.6 ppg (5th overall).
In 2011, the Broncos allowed 24.4 ppg (24th overall).

The Broncos also have 3 starters out (Porter, Warren, Hunter), and 6 new starters on Defense (Bannan, Wolfe, Harris, Woodyard, Brooking, Adams).

JDR raises all ships like the Panama Canal (shoutout to Dmac).

NFLBRONCO
12-18-2012, 02:49 PM
You have to expect both coordinators are gone with at least 10 possible job openings in 13.

Kaylore
12-18-2012, 02:57 PM
I think McCoy is gone. I think Del Rio will only leave if it all makes sense.

Also, if we can make it to the Super Bowl, some teams might not want to wait for either coordinator and that could help us keep both. I personally think McCoy will be a better head coach than he was a coordinator.

DBroncos4life
12-18-2012, 03:06 PM
I think getting Del Rio was the second best thing to happen this off season by a large margin.

:thumbs:


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3591626&postcount=14

DENVERDUI55
12-18-2012, 03:18 PM
JDR has his work cut out for him. With Dawkins gone and DJ Williams missing the first handful of games, it'll be tough.

Broncos struggled against top offenses. Detroit, NE 2X and GB went off on you guys.

Notice how the POS has vanished with all his wrong predictions.

Punisher
12-18-2012, 08:16 PM
Found this in Del Rios office

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/coverImage300/15/11180126/1118012615.jpg

Play2win
12-18-2012, 08:25 PM
Found this in Del Rios office

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/coverImage300/15/11180126/1118012615.jpg

That was just so he had a translation dictionary, when he was lurking on the Orange Mane.

broncocalijohn
12-18-2012, 08:37 PM
Mays is hands down the best MLB the Broncos have. Trevathan is an OLB, and the comparisons to Al Wilson is ridiculous.

I think putting no one at Mike would produce the space a better fit then what Mays gave us. Since Brooking has been playing the position, no losses for the Broncos. Yes, Brookings>everyone else

Bronco Rob
12-21-2012, 09:50 PM
McCoy, Del Rio may benefit from Broncos' success


A defensive coordinator moving on after a season in this city has almost become expected. After last season, Dennis Allen bolted to take over in Oakland.

Other coordinators who have filled the spot over the last few years include Larry Coyer (2006), Jim Bates (2007), Bob Slowik (2008), Mike Nolan (2009) and Don Martindale (2010).

That has Bailey wondering - kiddingly, of course - if he's doing something to drive them off?

"I know I'm up there," Bailey said of where he would rank among players who've had the most coordinators through a career. "I've got to be up there. I don't know how many I've had - 12, 13, whatever. It's nothing new to me."

Del Rio has a rather good thing going in Denver with two of the elite pass rushers in the game in Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil, a talented linebacker collection and a secondary led by Bailey. That's a pretty formidable ensemble in which to build a dominating defense.

He's really in no rush to go anywhere just yet.

"When you're a young guy and you haven't been there, the urgency and desire to get that opportunity is such that you'd take just about any job given to you," said Del Rio, who was in charge in Jacksonville for nine seasons. "I don't feel that way now. If there's something that fits and the right situation comes along, so be it. But in the meantime, I'm all in, 100 percent as a lieutenant on this staff. I'm somebody that John Fox, John Elway ... and the players can count on. I'm 100 percent invested in helping them be their best."



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21436460/mccoy-del-rio-may-benefit-from-broncos-success




:thumbs:

huh??
12-21-2012, 10:05 PM
It seemed like a lot of fluff and fodder or PR-speak after, "If there's something that fits and the right situation comes along, so be it."

maven
12-21-2012, 10:19 PM
It seemed like a lot of fluff and fodder or PR-speak after, "If there's something that fits and the right situation comes along, so be it."

I'm sure he wants to be the HC. If something comes along, and he goes... good for him.

Bronco Rob
12-22-2012, 11:27 AM
After only one season?



???