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McD more rings than Elway
05-15-2012, 02:15 PM
Who would be running the organization right now?

Man-Goblin
05-15-2012, 02:16 PM
LOL @ username.

Durango
05-15-2012, 02:28 PM
troll

McDaniels has skills as a specialist assistant, but not a football operation on the whole. He may yet grow into a greater role, but he was an unmitigated catastrophe for this franchise.

KO5K
05-15-2012, 02:29 PM
I went for the only semi-competent option.

Flex Gunmetal
05-15-2012, 02:34 PM
They give rings to assistant's assistants?

Rabb
05-15-2012, 02:36 PM
if I could change history, you'd be a mattress stain

Smiling Assassin27
05-15-2012, 03:01 PM
i would go back in time and go tanya harding on dan reeves before super bowls 21, 22, and 24.

sisterhellfyre
05-15-2012, 03:02 PM
This lame question is the best you can do for "if you could change Broncos history...?"

Sheesh.

If I could change any one thing in Broncos history, I'd undo Matt Lepsis' fall into the side of Terrell Davis' knee.

Killericon
05-15-2012, 03:12 PM
This lame question is the best you can do for "if you could change Broncos history...?"

Sheesh.

If I could change any one thing in Broncos history, I'd undo Matt Lepsis' fall into the side of Terrell Davis' knee.

Yes. I don't care if Brian Griese would've been our QB for 10 years as a result, TD deserved a full career.

BroncoMan4ever
05-15-2012, 03:25 PM
This lame question is the best you can do for "if you could change Broncos history...?"

Sheesh.

If I could change any one thing in Broncos history, I'd undo Matt Lepsis' fall into the side of Terrell Davis' knee.

agreed.

although the 96 playoff loss to Jacksonville would be a hard one to not change.

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 03:26 PM
Shanahan. No hesitation or doubt that he's worlds above the rest of these guys.

enjolras
05-15-2012, 03:30 PM
Shanahan. No hesitation or doubt that he's worlds above the rest of these guys.

In one season John Fox has as many playoff wins as Shannahan did in
(basically) the entire decade following Elways retirement.

I guess I don't see how Shannahan is clearly superior.

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 03:34 PM
In one season John Fox has as many playoff wins as Shannahan did in
(basically) the entire decade following Elways retirement.

I guess I don't see how Shannahan is clearly superior.

LOL

Good one man!

BroncoMan4ever
05-15-2012, 03:44 PM
i loved having Shanahan here, and am thankful for the success he had...in the 90s, but he wasn't getting the job done anymore. perennial mediocrity and no playoff success was really starting to tarnish his legacy in Denver. A change was needed.

as for who i think should have become the GM for the team currently, i have no real ideas; but I have always been curious as to what an empowered Ted Sundquist could have done. for the HC position, the guy I have always wanted to become the man in Denver is Gary Kubiak.

ColoradoDarin
05-15-2012, 05:39 PM
I was hoping we could argue more about the unchangeable past!!

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 05:47 PM
I was hoping we could argue more about the unchangeable past!!

Waiting for the all encompassing:

Ed Reed, 96 game vs Jags, Elway plays 1 more year, Griese, Steven Jackson, Shanahan, Cutler, Marshall, McDaniels, Tebow thread

maher_tyler
05-15-2012, 06:20 PM
I would have given Shanny one more year...

Tombstone RJ
05-15-2012, 06:31 PM
Shanahan. No hesitation or doubt that he's worlds above the rest of these guys.

what's his record with the skins again?

errand
05-15-2012, 06:38 PM
what's his record with the skins again?

Mike was 24-24 his last three seasons here.....and has finished in last place his entire tour in Washington

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 06:41 PM
what's his record with the skins again?

That's like saying "what was Fox's record his last 2 years in Carolina?"

Mogulseeker
05-15-2012, 06:51 PM
We're in better shape now than we have been since 2005.

Tombstone RJ
05-15-2012, 07:01 PM
That's like saying "what was Fox's record his last 2 years in Carolina?"

Not really. Carolina was being gutted while the Skins at least had a decent 4-3 defense when Shanny was hired. Point being, Shanny is not "worlds above" the current coaching staff.

errand
05-15-2012, 07:06 PM
That's like saying "what was Fox's record his last 2 years in Carolina?"

So let's just go with how did they do this past season?

HAT
05-15-2012, 07:07 PM
That's like saying "what was Fox's record his last 2 years in Carolina?"

No....Its actually like Panther's fans asking what's Fox's record in Denver.

SoCalBronco
05-15-2012, 07:07 PM
Shanny. Easy choice.

errand
05-15-2012, 07:08 PM
I think having a John Elway playing QB for you makes one look like a genius....just as having a Peyton Manning playing QB will improve Fox's rep.

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 07:24 PM
No....Its actually like Panther's fans asking what's Fox's record in Denver.

Lol oh please. You throw last year's Denver team in the NFCE and they probably go 3-13 no matter how much TEBOW (NOT Fox) magic comes alive in the 4th quarter.

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Not really. Carolina was being gutted while the Skins at least had a decent 4-3 defense when Shanny was hired. Point being, Shanny is not "worlds above" the current coaching staff.

False.

TheReverend
05-15-2012, 07:28 PM
Btw, the part that MOST amuses me about this thread (and there are MANY aspects that get me lol'ing on several different levels):

If you click for the detailed "Poll results" it really does largely read like an IQ test. I could've predicted the outcome of this... give or take a handful.

Tombstone RJ
05-15-2012, 07:28 PM
False.

?

gunns
05-15-2012, 07:29 PM
Well, Fox and Elway did as much as Shanahan did in 6 years...win a playoff game. Yeah Shanahan got two SB's, but without Elway, I doubt it.

DivineLegion
05-15-2012, 07:33 PM
I would draft Haloti Ngata instead of Jay Cutler.

Gerrard Warren said that bringing Cutler in to the Broncos locker room derailed the team in 06', and frankly I believe him. Add Ngata to that defense with Larry Coyer, and watch the magic happen.

The other historical revision I would impart would have to be...

Keeping the Goodmans

SoCalBronco
05-15-2012, 07:35 PM
Well, Fox and Elway did as much as Shanahan did in 6 years...win a playoff game. .

Not really. There's an apportionment problem there. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to start Tebow. It's beyond debate that they never wanted Tebow and it was like pulling teeth to get them to switch from Orton. I think its clear that without those miracles, there would not be so much as a playoff berth much less the playoff win. That wasn't the only factor ofcourse (improved defense was also a factor), but it was an indispensable one. It's hard to just attribute that to them when if they had their way....we would have probably ended up picking in the Top 5, rather than playing in January...so no, they didn't do "as much" as Shanny did in 6 years.

mwill07
05-15-2012, 07:36 PM
I wanted to vote Shanahan, I really did. But then I realized that a vote for Shanahan is also a vote for Bob Slowik, and I don't think that's something I could stomach again.

Mogulseeker
05-15-2012, 07:38 PM
lol Rev...

mwill07
05-15-2012, 07:38 PM
I'd like to hear someone defend the McD era....just for sport.

DivineLegion
05-15-2012, 07:43 PM
The only defense for the McD era was the shaving of fat that occurred when McD took over. The defensive overhaul was impressive, but most of that success can be attributed to Mike Nolan.



Edit: by shaving of fat Im referring to the massive defensive turnover that saw guys like Marquad Manual, Jamie Winborn, Nate Webster, Dre Bly, Dwane Robertson, and Niko Koutouvides get the boot.

Tombstone RJ
05-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Not really. There's an apportionment problem there. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to start Tebow. It's beyond debate that they never wanted Tebow and it was like pulling teeth to get them to switch from Orton. I think its clear that without those miracles, there would not be so much as a playoff berth much less the playoff win. That wasn't the only factor ofcourse (improved defense was also a factor), but it was an indispensable one. It's hard to just attribute that to them when if they had their way....we would have probably ended up picking in the Top 5, rather than playing in January...so no, they didn't do "as much" as Shanny did in 6 years.

I like Shanny I just think the Broncos needed a change. As another poster mentioned Bob Slowick and the revolving door at defensive coordinator got old. It's too bad Shanny the GM hamstrung Shanny the coach too.

Archer81
05-15-2012, 07:44 PM
What I would change...

Losing to Pittsburgh in 2005. We win that game, make a SB appearance (probably win it) the next 6 seasons are completely different.

But that is how it goes. **** changes.

:Broncos:

Tim
05-15-2012, 07:50 PM
Welcome to my ignore list with that username :wave:

Tombstone RJ
05-15-2012, 08:00 PM
I think having a John Elway playing QB for you makes one look like a genius....just as having a Peyton Manning playing QB will improve Fox's rep.

yep. A HoF QB will make marginal coaches look good and good coaches look great.

mwill07
05-15-2012, 08:02 PM
The only defense for the McD era was the shaving of fat that occurred when McD took over. The defensive overhaul was impressive, but most of that success can be attributed to Mike Nolan.



Edit: by shaving of fat Im referring to the massive defensive turnover that saw guys like Marquad Manual, Jamie Winborn, Nate Webster, Dre Bly, Dwane Robertson, and Niko Koutouvides get the boot.

IMO, those guys were exhibit B of why Shanahan needed to go - just behind Slowik. shaving those guys is what any competent coach would have done. Replacing these guys in no way makes up for the mess McD made in the '09 draft... it doesn't even out.

montrose
05-15-2012, 08:06 PM
I'd like to hear someone defend the McD era....just for sport.

About 99% of me voted for him because I thought I'd be the only one, lol. If I were going to make a case though (just for some chuckles), I'd say the vision of the McD-led Broncos could have been seen in some elements last season.

It was McD that envisioned an offense led by Tebow throwing passes to DT and Decker along with running the ball himself. I actually had much more confidence in McD's ability to develop Tebow than the Fox-regime. Furthermore, Tebow was McD's guy and instead of finding excuses and reasons not to support him, Josh would've went out of his way to give him confidence. Orton wouldn't have been around from the start of camp, and Tim would've gotten every valuable rep along the way as the offense was crafted to his skillset for the long run. There would've been no controversy and clear direction of where the team was headed. On defense, Elvis would've returned to the 3-4 defense where he led the league in sacks in 2009 while the team would've either added Von to play as the other OLB or Dareus to play the 5-technique. Wink would've also been back as DC being the first coach to provide stability and return to that role in years. Finally, there's the possiblity the draft class would improve as well considering the 2010 draft improved so vastly from 2009 draft. Within those classes, seven starters were found in contrast to the next regime who selected 3 starters in 2011 and likely none, possibly one or two, in 2012.

Okay enough of that, long live Shanny!

Baba Booey
05-15-2012, 08:19 PM
http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i403/dperry7/1317272598929.jpg

SoCalBronco
05-15-2012, 08:21 PM
Okay enough of that, long live Shanny!

Hear hear (raises mug for a toast). :)

BroncoMan4ever
05-15-2012, 08:30 PM
That's like saying "what was Fox's record his last 2 years in Carolina?"

no it isn't. Carolina's owner gutted that team in preparation for the lockout and wouldn't put any money towards players and basically just left Fox hanging there for the duration of his contract.

Snyder dumps cash however his coach wants. Shanahan has all the authority to do whatever he wants there. he hasn't gotten the job done, just as he hadn't for a decade after Elway.

BroncoMan4ever
05-15-2012, 08:36 PM
The only defense for the McD era was the shaving of fat that occurred when McD took over. The defensive overhaul was impressive, but most of that success can be attributed to Mike Nolan.

Edit: by shaving of fat Im referring to the massive defensive turnover that saw guys like Marquad Manual, Jamie Winborn, Nate Webster, Dre Bly, Dwane Robertson, and Niko Koutouvides get the boot.

shaving the fat works great, if you replace it with something better. the only true upgrade to the positions played by the players shown here was Dawkins. Goodman was basically an equal exchange of players and i guess in the cases of Webster, Robertson and Niko it can be considered an addition by subtracting.

TheReverend
05-16-2012, 05:03 AM
Not really. There's an apportionment problem there. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming to start Tebow. It's beyond debate that they never wanted Tebow and it was like pulling teeth to get them to switch from Orton. I think its clear that without those miracles, there would not be so much as a playoff berth much less the playoff win. That wasn't the only factor ofcourse (improved defense was also a factor), but it was an indispensable one. It's hard to just attribute that to them when if they had their way....we would have probably ended up picking in the Top 5, rather than playing in January...so no, they didn't do "as much" as Shanny did in 6 years.

This only, but would also add that TEBOW (not Fox) dragged us to a divisional berth whereas Mike (not Jake) dragged us to an AFCCG berth

TheReverend
05-16-2012, 05:11 AM
no it isn't. Carolina's owner gutted that team in preparation for the lockout and wouldn't put any money towards players and basically just left Fox hanging there for the duration of his contract.

Snyder dumps cash however his coach wants. Shanahan has all the authority to do whatever he wants there. he hasn't gotten the job done, just as he hadn't for a decade after Elway.

Like I said. It's an IQ test. ^ This post comes from the genius who said this:

a just good DL will have more of an impact for a defense than a HOF corner ever will.

http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3164967&postcount=248

5 star thread.

Stagger Lee
05-16-2012, 06:49 AM
I loved Shanahan, but I wasn't shocked when he got canned. His GM abilities were questionable at best, and the defensive coordinator show had become a joke.

I do like Fox more than most do. As far as Elway goes as VP, well, that jury is still out. All in all, I feel pretty good with the direction right now.

I do miss watching Shanahans offense though. A work of art when it was on.

Gcver2ver3
05-16-2012, 07:30 AM
If I could change any one thing in Broncos history, I'd undo Matt Lepsis' fall into the side of Terrell Davis' knee.
I would take it a step earlier...



I'd undo elways decision to retire after 98...

Had he returned for 1999, TD doesnt injure knee on fluke play from griese turnover and denver contends for another superbowl... who knows maybe even win it...

BroncoBen
05-16-2012, 07:41 AM
This lame question is the best you can do for "if you could change Broncos history...?"

Sheesh.

If I could change any one thing in Broncos history, I'd undo Matt Lepsis' fall into the side of Terrell Davis' knee.

:thumbs: Talk about 'What if'.

peacepipe
05-16-2012, 07:51 AM
I would not have hired McD.

Stagger Lee
05-16-2012, 08:18 AM
BroncoBen-

Where do you find your avatars? I can't hardly comprehend any of your posts because I'm too busy drooling.

Irish Stout
05-16-2012, 08:42 AM
What if the Broncos had won a Superbowl before the 97 season?

What if TacoBell tacos came in Cool Ranch Dorito shells?

What if I had stayed with that psycho chick and moved to Myrtle Beach?

What if Hitler had been widely accepted and praised as a painter instead of widely accepted and praised as the Arian leader?

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a very Merry Christmas... especially the Jews who wouldn't have had to know a world with Hitler. Damn Hitler.

I will give you this, it will be really interesting to see what Shanny does in D.C. this year.

DivineLegion
05-16-2012, 08:49 AM
shaving the fat works great, if you replace it with something better. the only true upgrade to the positions played by the players shown here was Dawkins. Goodman was basically an equal exchange of players and i guess in the cases of Webster, Robertson and Niko it can be considered an addition by subtracting.

I aree there was not a competent replacement of depth, however I disagree with calling the upper level of talent a wash. I made it a point to direct the attention of the Broncos midseason collapse on a lack of depth in every argument I took part in while McDaniels was our coach. We had a truly epic start to the season that fizzled out because there was absolutely no depth on this team. McDaniels biggest mistake as head coach of the Beoncos was not addressing this problem. That very notion is being alleviated right now by the new regime and gives me tremendous confidence in our direction.

houghtam
05-16-2012, 08:54 AM
If I could change anything in Broncos history, I'd make them move to Lansing, MI.

Or fire Shanahan after the AFCCG.

Either one.

Gcver2ver3
05-16-2012, 09:01 AM
What if TacoBell tacos came in Cool Ranch Dorito shells?.

Stopped reading here...

We need to get this on the project list... that sounds delicious...

Kaylore
05-16-2012, 09:02 AM
Run the Broncos means GM, which immediately makes Shanahan and McDaniels unqualified. That leaves Elway, who is kind of an unknown. It might be that all three are bad, but I need to see more from Elway before I can say. For now he is the "correct" choice. It really is too bad they couldn't have hired a real GM for Shanny to work under.

Irish Stout
05-16-2012, 09:13 AM
Stopped reading here...

We need to get this on the project list... that sounds delicious...

I agree. However, you should've stopped reading when you saw Irish Stout was the poster.

Powderaddict
05-16-2012, 09:22 AM
I love Shanny the coach, I really do, but Shanny the GM doomed Shanny the HC.

I appreciate the past and what Shanahan meant for this franchise and the whole state of Colorado. But I'm really interested in seeing where Elway and Fox can take this team.

Fox got to the Superbowl with Jake Delhomme. JDR is a very good pick up at DC. JDR and Fox running the defense, Manning running the offense, this has the potential to be a very exciting team to watch. I chose Elway and Fox not as an indictment of Shanahan, but more to see where we are going with this current build.

Drunk Monkey
05-16-2012, 09:36 AM
This only, but would also add that TEBOW (not Fox) dragged us to a divisional berth whereas Mike (not Jake) dragged us to an AFCCG berth

Our Defense not Tebow dragged us to a division berth.

Crushaholic
05-16-2012, 10:07 AM
Our Defence not Tebow dragged us to a division berth.

Marion Barber should, somehow, go into the Broncos Ring of Fame. If he hadn't fumbled, we would have never had the chance to beat the Bears. Then, we would have lost the division to the Raiders...

Powderaddict
05-16-2012, 10:12 AM
Marion Barber should, somehow, go into the Broncos Ring of Fame. If he hadn't fumbled, we would have never had the chance to beat the Bears. Then, we would have lost the division to the Raiders...

I hear this arguement, I don't get it.

How come we get to what if that, but stop there? If we are going to what if that game, lets what if DT catches a perfectly thrown pass for a TD earlier in the game? What if Prater makes the FG in the first half? Then Barber's blunders no longer becomes "what if"s of legends.

riiiiick
05-16-2012, 10:25 AM
Not draft Cutler. Let Jake play out career, then mentor Tebow. Not trade TT. These 2 events translate to a much better 07 to 11 and a brighter next decade for the broncs.

Doggcow
05-16-2012, 10:36 AM
I'd want that loss to Pitt in 2005 back. God it would be nice to have a SB win over the Seahawks in their only appearance. I live in the NW, ****talking would be even more money.

Bronco Rob
05-16-2012, 10:40 AM
Darrent Williams never gets killed.
Al Wilson isn't forced to retire.
Trey Teague doesn't 86 TD.
Michael Dean Perry waddles his fat ass off the field.
Randy Hillard tackles Fumble Anders instead of letting him get out of bounds.
Karlis Missing a 23 yard FG, and the refs blowing the Clarence Kay call.
Elway taking a 18 yard loss in Super Bowl XXII moving us out of scoring range.


Those are just a couple off the top of my head.

peacepipe
05-16-2012, 10:41 AM
Not draft Cutler. Let Jake play out career, then mentor Tebow. Not trade TT. These 2 events translate to a much better 07 to 11 and a brighter next decade for the broncs.if we kept plummer & things were better,shanahan would likely still be our coach,which means denver doesn't make the mistake of drafting TT.

TheReverend
05-16-2012, 10:56 AM
Our Defence not Tebow dragged us to a division berth.

Sure it did!

Never mind that the defense was in the bottom half in EVERY major statistical category and most of the minor ones too. That wouldn't really fit your agenda though, so let's just ignore it, right?

PS. It's defense with an "S" (Like I said, this poll is like an IQ test)

houghtam
05-16-2012, 11:18 AM
I hear this arguement, I don't get it.

How come we get to what if that, but stop there? If we are going to what if that game, lets what if DT catches a perfectly thrown pass for a TD earlier in the game? What if Prater makes the FG in the first half? Then Barber's blunders no longer becomes "what if"s of legends.

No the what if game only works if it goes AGAINST Tebow.

broncosteven
05-16-2012, 11:35 AM
I was hoping we could argue more about the unchangeable past!!

Ah but what people don't understand is that with some tinfoil, wires, balsa wood, and lots of electricity you can create an anti-gravity time warp and go back in time...or be horribly transmuted into your time machine until your extremely painful death.

Doggcow
05-16-2012, 11:36 AM
I hear this arguement, I don't get it.

How come we get to what if that, but stop there? If we are going to what if that game, lets what if DT catches a perfectly thrown pass for a TD earlier in the game? What if Prater makes the FG in the first half? Then Barber's blunders no longer becomes "what if"s of legends.

Smacked.

broncosteven
05-16-2012, 11:37 AM
Darrent Williams never gets killed.
Al Wilson isn't forced to retire.
Trey Teague doesn't 86 TD.
Michael Dean Perry waddles his fat ass off the field.
Randy Hillard tackles Fumble Anders instead of letting him get out of bounds.
Karlis Missing a 23 yard FG, and the refs blowing the Clarence Kay call.
Elway taking a 18 yard loss in Super Bowl XXII moving us out of scoring range.


Those are just a couple off the top of my head.

It was Lepsis not Teague.

broncosteven
05-16-2012, 11:39 AM
Who would be running the organization right now?

Now that we got rid of mCd I am content with our current coach and GM.

I would have liked to see what Shanny could have done in 2009 and would have liked Bowlen to not be so quick to can Shanny or even quicker to sign mCd.

Elway and Fox turned the Titanic and we have a lot to be excited about this year as long as Manning is healthy.

Bronco Yoda
05-16-2012, 11:43 AM
Run the Broncos means GM, which immediately makes Shanahan and McDaniels unqualified. That leaves Elway, who is kind of an unknown. It might be that all three are bad, but I need to see more from Elway before I can say. For now he is the "correct" choice. It really is too bad they couldn't have hired a real GM for Shanny to work under.

^ THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BroncoMan4ever
05-16-2012, 11:50 AM
Like I said. It's an IQ test. ^ This post comes from the genius who said this:



http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3164967&postcount=248

5 star thread.

the fact that you continue to bring up one thread from over 2 years ago, to me shows i have a nice spot rented out in your mind that is always pestering you. and i just love being a constant thorn in the side of the biggest "i think i know everything" asshole on this site.

WolfpackGuy
05-16-2012, 11:54 AM
Elway popping his hammy in week 2 of 1998 when the Broncos were wiping the floor with the Cowgirls.

I always thought that lingering injury ultimately kept him from coming back in 1999.

BroncoMan4ever
05-16-2012, 11:56 AM
I aree there was not a competent replacement of depth, however I disagree with calling the upper level of talent a wash. I made it a point to direct the attention of the Broncos midseason collapse on a lack of depth in every argument I took part in while McDaniels was our coach. We had a truly epic start to the season that fizzled out because there was absolutely no depth on this team. McDaniels biggest mistake as head coach of the Beoncos was not addressing this problem. That very notion is being alleviated right now by the new regime and gives me tremendous confidence in our direction.

i agree depth was an issue. i just always felt that the starters or prominent players he dumped didn't get replaced with anyone that was an improvement over the previous player, with a small number of notable replacements(Dawkins being one) it wasn't just depth not getting added, it was also, average players taking over for average players.

BroncoMan4ever
05-16-2012, 12:02 PM
Elway popping his hammy in week 2 of 1998 when the Broncos were wiping the floor with the Cowgirls.

I always thought that lingering injury ultimately kept him from coming back in 1999.

personally i am glad Elway retired before the 99 season. i would have hated watching Elway finishing out his career on the sidelines because of injury. and he was battling injuries those last seasons. it would have sucked seeing the Duke watching a game that he felt he could have played if only it wasn't for injury.

DivineLegion
05-16-2012, 12:29 PM
i agree depth was an issue. i just always felt that the starters or prominent players he dumped didn't get replaced with anyone that was an improvement over the previous player, with a small number of notable replacements(Dawkins being one) it wasn't just depth not getting added, it was also, average players taking over for average players.

I feel like the NFL has 6 tiers of players.

Elite
All Pro
Solid Starter
Rotational Player/Specialty Player
Back up/Special Teams Player
Bubble/potential Players

What we brought in with guys like an aging Dawkins, and Andre Goodman were solid Starters. They replaced a lot of guys that fringed on rotational and back up players that were in starting roles because of Mikes cap problems. This is one of the main reasons IMHO Mike was let go. Josh changed the upper echelon, but managed to cut the depth with it when we let something like 36 players go. From what I've seen over Jhons tenure as exec the past two seasons, he is working filling entry to build from the ground up.

TheReverend
05-16-2012, 12:59 PM
the fact that you continue to bring up one thread from over 2 years ago, to me shows i have a nice spot rented out in your mind that is always pestering you. and i just love being a constant thorn in the side of the biggest "i think i know everything" a-hole on this site.

Very true. You consume a large chunk of the "holy **** I didn't know people were this stupid" spot in my head.

Congrats on taking such pride in that.

Drunk Monkey
05-16-2012, 01:03 PM
Sure it did!

Never mind that the defense was in the bottom half in EVERY major statistical category and most of the minor ones too. That wouldn't really fit your agenda though, so let's just ignore it, right?

PS. It's defense with an "S" (Like I said, this poll is like an IQ test)

No axe to grind here. Just don't like the Tebow did everything bs. As for the grammar I blame auto correct.

gyldenlove
05-16-2012, 01:07 PM
Easy enough, I would have Fired Shanahan after the 1999 season, hired Belichick and have him draft Brady - 5 super bowl wins in 8 years, a true dynasty.
I would then have the people of Colorado build a statue 750 feet tall of me instead of that farting horse in front of DIA and I would petition to have my birthday made an official day of celebration, with the traditional celebration donut (custard filled, chocolate dipped), beer and a Miss Colorado Bikini competition.

HorseHead
05-16-2012, 01:08 PM
Any chance I could change it to Shanny as Head Coach, Fox as D-Coordinator and John as VP of Football Operations?

Steve Sewell
05-16-2012, 01:10 PM
Btw, the part that MOST amuses me about this thread (and there are MANY aspects that get me lol'ing on several different levels):

If you click for the detailed "Poll results" it really does largely read like an IQ test. I could've predicted the outcome of this... give or take a handful.

BroncoBeavis voted Shanahan.

Steve Sewell
05-16-2012, 01:12 PM
Any chance I could change it to Shanny as Head Coach, Fox as D-Coordinator and John as VP of Football Operations?

Oh lord I just got an e-rection.

Bronco Rob
05-16-2012, 01:17 PM
Steve Sewell's fumble in the 1991 AFC Championship game.

Poor Kubes...


No one gives Wade Phillips enough credit for being the first person to set the template on stopping the K-Gun offense.

Tombstone RJ
05-16-2012, 01:24 PM
BroncoBeavis voted Shanahan.

sshhhhh! don't rain on rev's parade...

Binkythefrog
05-16-2012, 01:42 PM
I'd like to hear someone defend the McD era....just for sport.

My only defense of him (which is not a real defense) is that it brought perspective to me as a fan. We have been spoiled with a competitive team since the mid-90's - although we didn't really have playoff wins after 2004, the Broncos were always in the national conversation and in the playoff hunt and every year I was usually pretty hopeful that the Broncos could make a long run.

After seeing the despair of the McD era, I feel fortunate that every year we have hope that if a few things go our way we'll see some exciting big stage football at the end of the year and not have to feel the dread that some fans (Chefs for example) feel almost every year as their team plays out yet another non playoff win season.

TheReverend
05-16-2012, 03:18 PM
BroncoBeavis voted Shanahan.

...and?

Whether you agree with a lot of his posts or not, from reading it's pretty evident that he's an extremely bright guy.

TheReverend
05-16-2012, 03:19 PM
No axe to grind here. Just don't like the Tebow did everything bs. As for the grammar I blame auto correct.

Then at least try coming up with a legitimate counter point.

That's all I ask.

DBroncos4life
05-17-2012, 06:28 AM
GM Elway vs Shanny: Tie
HC Fox vs Shanny: advantage Shanny
DC Del Rio vs Slowik: advantage Del Rio
QB Manning vs Cutler: advantage Manning

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2012, 08:32 AM
BroncoBeavis voted Shanahan.

Hey, you're pretty quick to catch on. :)

I was pretty torn about Shanny back in the day. I always said I wished he'd accept a real GM and leave a (decent) defensive coordinator alone for a couple years. I came to the realization that wouldn't happen, so I was open to moving on. .I was hoping for a defensive coach though to fill in the gaps around a pretty solid offense.

I was pretty WTF about the McD selection, especially when the Cutler hit the fan. We ended up with another control freak "mastermind" only with no experience who also happened to dismantle a promising young offense.

But I turned the corner and hoped to chalk it up to a (big) rookie mistake on the way to a solid rebuild. In the end it never happened and it was clear that Josh doesn't have the temperament to run a franchise.

And everyone knows how I feel about the 2-year kamikaze strategy our new FO has taken on. We could argue about it some more if you like. But at the end of the day only time will tell.

So I guess what I'm saying is who exactly did you think I was going to vote for? Sometimes change isn't for the better. Even if you thought you needed it at the time.

Tombstone RJ
05-17-2012, 09:42 AM
...and?

Whether you agree with a lot of his posts or not, from reading it's pretty evident that he's an extremely bright guy.

Let me translate this post for the rest of you: "BB agrees with me, he's smart"

Rev, while you do have some quality posts, you are the most egotistical poster on this site. I love the way you bash people for disaggreeing with you (going so far as to insult people which is the lowest form of discourse) and then you proclaim other posters "extremely bright" because they agree with you.

TheReverend
05-17-2012, 09:46 AM
Let me translate this post for the rest of you: "BB agrees with me, he's smart"

Rev, while you do have some quality posts, you are the most egotistical poster on this site. I love the way you bash people for disaggreeing with you (going so far as to insult people which is the lowest form of discourse) and then you proclaim other posters "extremely bright" because they agree with you.

Question, if you believe the part in bold, why do you think I would potentially give a **** about your opinion of me?

Like I said... this poll works as a ****ing IQ test.

PS. I certainly dont always agree with BroncoBeavis, but if you read his posts he exhibits exponentially more intelligence than... oh I dunno... you, for example.

Tombstone RJ
05-17-2012, 09:50 AM
Question, if you believe the part in bold, why do you think I would potentially give a **** about your opinion of me?

Like I said... this poll works as a ****ing IQ test.

PS. I certainly dont always agree with BroncoBeavis, but if you read his posts he exhibits exponentially more intelligence than... oh I dunno... you, for example.

Hilarious!

Tranlsation: "Sometimes Tombstone and I disagree, therefore he's an idiot."

ok rev, ok.

TheReverend
05-17-2012, 10:02 AM
Hilarious!

Tranlsation: "Sometimes Tombstone and I disagree, therefore he's an idiot."

ok rev, ok.

THAT is what you took away from that...?

Really?

Tombstone RJ
05-17-2012, 10:15 AM
THAT is what you took away from that...?

Really?

Yah rev, after all you're saying I'm stupid because I didn't vote for the Shanny option. You are saying this is an IQ test and I'm failing the test, correct?

anyhow this doesn't matter, I respect your takes, if the feeling is not mutual so be it.

TheReverend
05-17-2012, 10:19 AM
Yah rev, after all you're saying I'm stupid because I didn't vote for the Shanny option. You are saying this is an IQ test and I'm failing the test, correct?

anyhow this doesn't matter, I respect your takes, if the feeling is not mutual so be it.

...no.

I'm saying you're stupid for claiming I'm an egomaniac and then spending time giving me your opinion. They contradict each other, smart guy.

I'm now also saying you're stupid for your post quoted here ^

Simple stuff bud :)

Heyneck
05-17-2012, 10:19 AM
Shanny with a real DC. If that's not possible the Ben McDaniels...

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2012, 09:21 PM
BroncoBeavis voted Shanahan.

And you said Tebow would lead the team to 2-14 last year.

So now we've established a pattern. :)

FireFly
05-18-2012, 05:40 AM
troll

McDaniels has skills as a specialist assistant, but not a football operation on the whole. He may yet grow into a greater role, but he was an unmitigated catastrophe for this franchise.

I agree, but I think he could have been a good HC. He just needed to have a GM with the final say.

Or he should have been assistant HC, or something.

I don't hate him as much as others here.

ppablo
05-18-2012, 06:29 AM
Any chance I could change it to Shanny as Head Coach, Fox as D-Coordinator and John as VP of Football Operations?

That's what I'm talking about... that would be the perfect combo for a Super Bowl win