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Bronco Rob
05-10-2012, 11:19 AM
Brandon Spano

BREAKING: @jeremyjojola is reporting that Chris "Birdman" Anderson's house seized & search warrant granted- internet crime against children



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Brandon Spano

In addition to the initial report, @CBSDenver is also reporting that this has been an ongoing investigation that started in California.


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Just talked to Douglas County officials. They say that will not likely pursue arrest today as they continue to build this case.



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bfoflcommish
05-10-2012, 11:26 AM
im going with the theory that he told a young lakers fan to f off. some of those bastards need a beat down.



But damn chris, you turned life around and now this???

Goobzilla
05-10-2012, 11:27 AM
Ick. Hope he's not involved but we'll see how it plays out.

Rohirrim
05-10-2012, 11:31 AM
Who's that? ???

bfoflcommish
05-10-2012, 11:32 AM
Who's that? ???

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/05/10/0510-chris-andersen-birdman-2.jpg

Rohirrim
05-10-2012, 11:34 AM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/05/10/0510-chris-andersen-birdman-2.jpg

Ah. Basketball.

TheReverend
05-10-2012, 11:39 AM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/05/10/0510-chris-andersen-birdman-2.jpg

Lets be serious... I can LOOK at that pic and tell you he should be in prison.

bronco militia
05-10-2012, 12:06 PM
Lets be serious... I can LOOK at that pic and tell you he should be in prison.

racist

broncocalijohn
05-10-2012, 12:11 PM
He was trying to hard to be ghetto. I don't think child porn falls under that catagory.

RhymesayersDU
05-10-2012, 12:25 PM
racist

Reverse racist!

Dr. Broncenstein
05-10-2012, 12:39 PM
If only there was a way of branding someone so you could immediately tell they make poor decisions....

McDman
05-10-2012, 12:51 PM
What if some banging 16 year old said she was 19? Sh*t like that pisses me off.

BroncoFiend
05-10-2012, 12:53 PM
Reverse racist!

Tatooist!

or maybe

Tatooaphobia!

Garcia Bronco
05-10-2012, 12:55 PM
If only there was a way of branding someone so you could immediately tell they make poor decisions....

Well said Doc B. I feel the same way.

bfoflcommish
05-10-2012, 12:55 PM
What if some banging 16 year old said she was 19? Sh*t like that pisses me off.






http://www.newidcards.com/img/crds/california.jpg

bronco militia
05-10-2012, 01:00 PM
If only there was a way of branding someone so you could immediately tell they make poor decisions....

hmmmm, I wonder if mightysmurf has any idea?

;D

McDman
05-10-2012, 01:02 PM
http://www.newidcards.com/img/crds/california.jpg

Not sure how old you are but a fake id is not exactly hard to come by. What if he met her at a club? You'd automatically assume she was of age.

I don't really care either way, I guess. I don't want basketball. I just think it is stupid some people can get in trouble for a girl that lies.

Houshyamama
05-10-2012, 01:07 PM
Not sure how old you are but a fake id is not exactly hard to come by. What if he met her at a club? You'd automatically assume she was of age.

I don't really care either way, I guess. I don't want basketball. I just think it is stupid some people can get in trouble for a girl that lies.

@jeremyjojola is reporting that Chris "Birdman" Anderson's house seized & search warrant granted- internet crime against children

This sounds more like child porn to me. If it is child porn, let's hope for his case it's the barely underage kind rather than the prepubescent kind.

bronco militia
05-10-2012, 01:07 PM
Reverse racist!

:thanku:

McDman
05-10-2012, 01:23 PM
This sounds more like child porn to me. If it is child porn, let's hope for his case it's the barely underage kind rather than the prepubescent kind.

Didn't see that.

razorwire77
05-10-2012, 01:38 PM
I'm not a criminal investigator, but I'm pretty sure they usually don't do a complete search and seizure for a she was 17, but said she was 19 type case. Ask Mark Sanchez. This sounds to me like the police think there is a couple of gigs of kiddy no no or a bunch of illicit pictures in the house.

DomCasual
05-10-2012, 01:47 PM
If only there was a way of branding someone so you could immediately tell they make poor decisions....

It would need to be something that was indelible. The last thing you want is something that someone could go home and scrub off.

The absolute best-case scenario would be something that they would get voluntarily, so you wouldn't be infringing on their rights by making them get it.

We can only dream about such things, of course.

lolcopter
05-10-2012, 01:47 PM
This dude sucks anyway notice how he never plays this season

Typical Denver fans falling in love with a great white hype

Gort
05-10-2012, 01:52 PM
If only there was a way of branding someone so you could immediately tell they make poor decisions....

http://www.fametatu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Brock-Osweiler-Tattoo1.jpg

TheReverend
05-10-2012, 01:54 PM
This dude sucks anyway notice how he never plays this season

Typical Denver fans falling in love with a great white hype

Yup... because if any place isn't forward thinking and liberal, it's Denver...

bronco_diesel
05-10-2012, 02:04 PM
If only there was a way of branding someone so you could immediately tell they make poor decisions....

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/05/10/0510-chris-andersen-birdman-2.jpg

Swedish Extrovert
05-10-2012, 02:08 PM
Hmm... now I know why he volunteered to play Santa last Christmas.

Garcia Bronco
05-10-2012, 02:11 PM
It would need to be something that was indelible. The last thing you want is something that someone could go home and scrub off.

The absolute best-case scenario would be something that they would get voluntarily, so you wouldn't be infringing on their rights by making them get it.

We can only dream about such things, of course.

Yes....we could also have shops...readily accessible in markets all over town where they could easily gain this voluntary marking. As a convenience.

DomCasual
05-10-2012, 02:15 PM
Yes....we could also have shops...readily accessible in markets all over town where they could easily gain this voluntary marking. As a convenience.

Even make them accessible to prisoners - places full of those who have poor judgement. There, they could be pressured into crudely branding themselves.

This is all crazy talk.

bronco militia
05-10-2012, 02:24 PM
LOL

Captain 'Dre
05-10-2012, 02:25 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/05/10/0510-chris-andersen-birdman-2.jpg

Dude... just go ahead and tattoo your face, and be done with it. ugh!~

DenverBrit
05-10-2012, 02:29 PM
This dude sucks anyway notice how he never plays this season

Typical Denver fans falling in love with a great white hype

Anderson got buried in the depth chart as Fahreid, McGhee, Mosgov etc developed into players with upside.

Anderson has non left, but for a while, he provided the energy off the bench.

Captain 'Dre
05-10-2012, 02:29 PM
I'm not a criminal investigator, but I'm pretty sure they usually don't do a complete search and seizure for a she was 17, but said she was 19 type case. Ask Mark Sanchez. This sounds to me like the police think there is a couple of gigs of kiddy no no or a bunch of illicit pictures in the house.

I know a guy who knows a guy who got 10 years in the joint for that.

DomCasual
05-10-2012, 02:31 PM
My brother and his family are in the same neighborhood as Andersen. They see him all the time at the store. He has a, ahem, roommate that is always with him. They have said in the past that if they didn't know better, they would think Andersen and his friend were partners. They seem to always been smelling the scented candles, joyously showing each other greeting cards, etc.

I guess the point is that there is at least one other person living in the house. Hopefully, whatever is going on there doesn't involve Andersen. Since he's put his drug issues behind him, he seems to have been in a really good place. My brother has also said that he's never seen him, in public, turn down an autograph/photo request. He's always available for fundraising opportunities at the schools my nephews attend (keep your minds out of the gutter). He seems like a genuinely nice person.

Captain 'Dre
05-10-2012, 02:32 PM
The absolute best-case scenario would be something that they would get voluntarily, so you wouldn't be infringing on their rights by making them get it.

Like sex offenders who agree to be castrated because it's the ONLY way they'll ever get released from custody.

bronco militia
05-10-2012, 02:33 PM
He's always available for fundraising opportunities at the schools my nephews attend (keep your minds out of the gutter). He seems like a genuinely nice person.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGaZO5gs4ZExzzQfN_v9uiZngpi-0v4Kgdx7jmVXD-_DSsMbik2wemvjaf

DomCasual
05-10-2012, 02:36 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGaZO5gs4ZExzzQfN_v9uiZngpi-0v4Kgdx7jmVXD-_DSsMbik2wemvjaf

;D It was like an MLB pitcher saying, "Hey, I am going to throw you an offspeed pitch - and I'm going to put it right over the middle of the plate! Let's see if you can put this in the second deck."

bombay
05-10-2012, 03:21 PM
My brother and his family are in the same neighborhood as Andersen. They see him all the time at the store. He has a, ahem, roommate that is always with him. They have said in the past that if they didn't know better, they would think Andersen and his friend were partners. They seem to always been smelling the scented candles, joyously showing each other greeting cards, etc.

I guess the point is that there is at least one other person living in the house. Hopefully, whatever is going on there doesn't involve Andersen. Since he's put his drug issues behind him, he seems to have been in a really good place. My brother has also said that he's never seen him, in public, turn down an autograph/photo request. He's always available for fundraising opportunities at the schools my nephews attend (keep your minds out of the gutter). He seems like a genuinely nice person.


There's a pretty strong rumor in the law enforcement community here, one of whom has the misfortune of knowing me, that the 'roommate' is suspected of being the perpetrator.

mkporter
05-10-2012, 03:29 PM
There's a pretty strong rumor in the law enforcement community here, one of whom has the misfortune of knowing me, that the 'roommate' is suspected of being the perpetrator.

Too bad he doesn't live in NY, then it'd be no big deal.

crush17
05-10-2012, 03:30 PM
Andersen is married fyi

bfoflcommish
05-10-2012, 03:32 PM
There's a pretty strong rumor in the law enforcement community here, one of whom has the misfortune of knowing me, that the 'roommate' is suspected of being the perpetrator.

i dont know about married but i thought live in girlfriend

bombay
05-10-2012, 03:35 PM
There is some guy who's been living in the house.

Hercules Rockefeller
05-10-2012, 03:40 PM
This sounds more like child porn to me. If it is child porn, let's hope for his case it's the barely underage kind rather than the prepubescent kind.

As someone who prosecuted sex crimes, I never saw a "barely legal" CP case. It's always when there is no question the child is underage.

DomCasual
05-10-2012, 03:50 PM
Andersen is married fyi

I've never heard that. Where are you getting it?

crush17
05-10-2012, 04:06 PM
He used to talk about it on a morning show on one of the local radio shows when he had his own segment. It was about 2 years ago.

El Minion
05-10-2012, 06:12 PM
As someone who prosecuted sex crimes, I never saw a "barely legal" CP case. It's always when there is no question the child is underage.

Mark Chmura and Lawrence Taylor beg to differ.

http://www.johnmonty.com/cotw/chmura.jpg

http://ll-media.essence.com/archive/lawerence-taylor-jail-300x425.jpg

oubronco
05-10-2012, 06:15 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/05/10/0510-chris-andersen-birdman-2.jpg

Bubba's gonna really like him

Hercules Rockefeller
05-10-2012, 06:24 PM
Mark Chmura and Lawrence Taylor beg to differ.

http://www.johnmonty.com/cotw/chmura.jpg

http://ll-media.essence.com/archive/lawerence-taylor-jail-300x425.jpg

They weren't prosecuted for CP.

spdirty
05-10-2012, 07:19 PM
Pisses me off. They couldn't do this before the playoffs start, or after the playoffs are over, have to pull this crap right now, the day of Game 6.

Archer81
05-10-2012, 07:24 PM
Pisses me off. They couldn't do this before the playoffs start, or after the playoffs are over, have to pull this crap right now, the day of Game 6.


Yeah...

Damn those officers investigating crimes and being so inconsiderate...


:Broncos:

RaiderH8r
05-10-2012, 08:29 PM
Bubba's gonna really like him

Hope he likes prison food...and penis.

broncswin
05-10-2012, 09:49 PM
Bubba's gonna really like him

He may be bubba...he is big boy

Blart
05-10-2012, 10:35 PM
Pisses me off. They couldn't do this before the playoffs start, or after the playoffs are over, have to pull this crap right now, the day of Game 6.

We have faried, mcgee, mozgov, koufos, etc. Birdman wasn't going to get minutes regardless.

Swedish Extrovert
05-10-2012, 10:38 PM
Yeah...

Damn those officers investigating crimes and being so inconsiderate...


:Broncos:

They investigated based on a tip from Los Angeles. Just saying...

spdirty
05-10-2012, 11:00 PM
We have faried, mcgee, mozgov, koufos, etc. Birdman wasn't going to get minutes regardless.

wasn't about him getting minutes it was about the distraction...glad it didn't affect the team...hope he isn't guilty of this, but if he is, he can rot in hell.

Blart
05-10-2012, 11:14 PM
wasn't about him getting minutes it was about the distraction...glad it didn't affect the team...hope he isn't guilty of this, but if he is, he can rot in hell.

Good point, if it's as bad as I fear, I really hope these guys can shrug it off.

Swedish Extrovert
05-10-2012, 11:40 PM
What I think is hilarious is Birdman's current facebook profile pic:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/35868_136394526371396_100000025493340_368150_15923 03_n.jpg

Broncos_OTM
05-11-2012, 05:23 AM
Lets be serious... I can LOOK at that pic and tell you he should be in prison.

yeah cause all tattooed bearded men are in prison

Broncos_OTM
05-11-2012, 05:28 AM
He may be bubba...he is big boy

I don't think you quite understand the dynamic of SO'S in prison. boy better hope he gets PC'ed

Broncos_OTM
05-11-2012, 06:06 AM
If only there was a way of branding someone so you could immediately tell they make poor decisions....ahaha

Captain 'Dre
05-11-2012, 06:49 AM
What I think is hilarious is Birdman's current facebook profile pic:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/35868_136394526371396_100000025493340_368150_15923 03_n.jpg

Looks like Birdman is wearing... a dress. ugh!~

RhymesayersDU
05-11-2012, 08:07 AM
Mark Chmura and Lawrence Taylor beg to differ.

http://www.johnmonty.com/cotw/chmura.jpg

http://ll-media.essence.com/archive/lawerence-taylor-jail-300x425.jpg

You realize viewing/having kiddie porn is different than physically having sex with an underage girl, right?

bfoflcommish
05-11-2012, 08:13 AM
You realize viewing/having kiddie porn is different than physically having sex with an underage girl, right?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i get what you are saying but kiddie porn of some 17 or so as stated in this thread already isnt something usually persued. 13-14-15 or even younger is...... who you rather be associated with someone who had sex with somoone who in MOST states is legal, or be associated with someone looking at porn of someone who is not legal by any means in any state?

spdirty
05-11-2012, 08:43 AM
I don't think you quite understand the dynamic of SO'S in prison. boy better hope he gets PC'ed

What does SO and PC mean?

Dr. Broncenstein
05-11-2012, 08:46 AM
You realize viewing/having kiddie porn is different than physically having sex with an underage girl, right?

Wat?

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2012, 12:36 PM
My brother and his family are in the same neighborhood as Andersen. They see him all the time at the store. He has a, ahem, roommate that is always with him. They have said in the past that if they didn't know better, they would think Andersen and his friend were partners. They seem to always been smelling the scented candles, joyously showing each other greeting cards, etc.

I guess the point is that there is at least one other person living in the house. Hopefully, whatever is going on there doesn't involve Andersen. Since he's put his drug issues behind him, he seems to have been in a really good place. My brother has also said that he's never seen him, in public, turn down an autograph/photo request. He's always available for fundraising opportunities at the schools my nephews attend (keep your minds out of the gutter). He seems like a genuinely nice person.

I have no idea about the situation but when I read to OP I said to myself "I wonder if he's stupid enough to let other people live in his home."

I'm pretty sure birdman is probably not into child porn but if he's got other's milking off him then who knows what's in his house.

crowebomber
05-11-2012, 02:05 PM
A lawyer for Nuggets center Chris Andersen today provided a statement to The Denver Post that gives a glimpse into the complicated case involving the player's home being searched by sheriff's deputies investigating Internet crimes against children.

Douglas County investigators on Thursday went to Andersen's home in Larkspur and seized property. Andersen, 33, has not been arrested or charged with a crime.
In the statement, Colin Bresee, an attorney for Andersen, suggested that a woman from California has has tried to get items of value from Andersen. The statement reads:
"A female fan in 2010 mailed Mr. Andersen multiple letters and included several photos in which she was scantily clad. Chris and this woman communicated with each other and in 2011, this woman, who represented herself as 21 years of age, flew to Colorado, showing her required identification. After leaving Colorado, she became upset at his lack of interest. In 2012, she threatened to retaliate if he did not provide financial remuneration. "

According to the statement, someone purporting to be the woman's mother wrote in an email that " 'i (sic) want him to pay for everything on her Amazon wish list, 5K for her bedding stuff and her victoria secret wish list."

"Professional athletes are routinely targeted by these types of individuals," the statement said. "The media has been speculating that he's a suspect and not a victim in a criminal investigation. Mr. Andersen has been fully cooperative with the authorities. The investigation is expected to take three weeks. We're confident it will show that Chris did not engage in any criminal conduct."

Thursday afternoon, the Nuggets said Andersen had been "excused indefinitely" from team activities while Douglas County sheriff's detectives investigate.
Andersen has been under investigation since February, when a California law enforcement agency tipped off Douglas County.

bfoflcommish
05-11-2012, 02:08 PM
Hope thats the story but how does that explain ICAC then??

crowebomber
05-11-2012, 02:11 PM
Hope thats the story but how does that explain ICAC then??

Yeah, I'm not sure. The only thing I could think of is that she wasn't really 21, and that's why they referenced his assertion that he saw her identification. Or maybe the mother/daughter are the ones who made the call to police accusing Anderson of being involved in child porn.

bfoflcommish
05-11-2012, 02:18 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure. The only thing I could think of is that she wasn't really 21, and that's why they referenced his assertion that he saw her identification. Or maybe the mother/daughter are the ones who made the call to police accusing Anderson of being involved in child porn.



good point!!!

Kaylore
05-11-2012, 02:54 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure. The only thing I could think of is that she wasn't really 21, and that's why they referenced his assertion that he saw her identification. Or maybe the mother/daughter are the ones who made the call to police accusing Anderson of being involved in child porn.

It's probably this. A shakedown job. She goes and says she's a certain age. She isn't and hopes he does something so they can blackmail. He doesn't do anything and they try and get him anyway.

gyldenlove
05-11-2012, 03:04 PM
yeah cause all tattooed bearded men are in prison

They should be, how much easier can you make it on the police - illadvised facial hair and tattoos, dude obviously a criminal.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-11-2012, 03:04 PM
If I were in the extortion business, I'd pick a target that looked like a poor decision maker. If only there was a way to easily identify such a person.

Los Broncos
05-11-2012, 03:23 PM
Please say aint so Chris, he turned his life around and now this.

Hercules Rockefeller
05-11-2012, 03:54 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure. The only thing I could think of is that she wasn't really 21, and that's why they referenced his assertion that he saw her identification. Or maybe the mother/daughter are the ones who made the call to police accusing Anderson of being involved in child porn.

I'd love to know how they got a judge to sign a search warrant based off of 2-year old info if it came from that mom/daughter. That just screams stale.

SoonerBronco
05-11-2012, 04:31 PM
If I were in the extortion business, I'd pick a target that looked like a poor decision maker. If only there was a way to easily identify such a person.

http://www.thelostogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/birdman-billboard.jpg

Goobzilla
05-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Why does a millionaire have a roommate in the first place? Especially if it's not a smoking hot and trampy chick?

RhymesayersDU
05-11-2012, 05:00 PM
Why does a millionaire have a roommate in the first place? Especially if it's not a smoking hot and trampy chick?

Why does it matter if he's a millionaire? It's obviously not to split the rent. It could be a friend or family member.

Corey Brewer has a roommate, a buddy from Florida. I don't think it's necessarily uncommon for single guys.

Swedish Extrovert
05-11-2012, 05:26 PM
Tebow had a male roommate in Denver.

Brian Griese lived in Dan Neil's basement.

bronco militia
05-11-2012, 05:37 PM
If I were in the extortion business, I'd pick a target that looked like a poor decision maker. If only there was a way to easily identify such a person.

LOL

This never gets old

BroncoBuff
05-11-2012, 05:45 PM
In addition to the initial report, @CBSDenver is also reporting that this has been an ongoing investigation that started in California.

If there was evidence of ongoing crimes during this period, it's doubtful law enforcement would permit/risk harm to children while they built a case. Sounds like a single complainant or single incident.

Just relax, remember the Shannon Sharpe deal ... we all had moments of doubt, but then it turned out that b**** was crazy.

Lestat
05-11-2012, 06:23 PM
why is no one asking the important question in this? why the **** did he let some chick fly from Cali to Col to get it on? does that not scream out load as a really bad decision?
"hmm, i don't know you, but you're kinda hot so fly out here and let's hook up.
oh by the way, this is nothing but a booty call and don't ever call me again."

rugbythug
05-11-2012, 06:38 PM
If there was evidence of ongoing crimes during this period, it's doubtful law enforcement would permit/risk harm to children while they built a case. Sounds like a single complainant or single incident.

Just relax, remember the Shannon Sharpe deal ... we all had moments of doubt, but then it turned out that b**** was crazy.

Or Perp one in California was sending little kiddie porn pics to perp 2 in CO.

Hercules Rockefeller
05-11-2012, 06:51 PM
Or Perp one in California was sending little kiddie porn pics to perp 2 in CO.

Or Perp in CO has a P2P program on his computer and police in CA downloaded child porn from perp in CO's computer. This is how a ton of child porn investigations originate.

IHaveALight
05-11-2012, 07:30 PM
If only there was a way for people to show how ignorant they are by judging others character based on there decision to partake in culturally obtained beliefs on self expression.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-11-2012, 07:46 PM
If only there was a way for people to show how ignorant they are by judging others character based on there decision to partake in culturally obtained beliefs on self expression.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2007/11/mr-cool-ice-tattoo-456a1109.jpg

Stay cool....

Dr. Broncenstein
05-11-2012, 07:50 PM
http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/shotgun-to-the-face-191224.jpg?1235036980

What self expression of culturally obtained beliefs from a wise person might look like...

Kaylore
05-11-2012, 09:06 PM
I'm going to permanently mark a very visible part of my body for all to see with something I think is cool in my twenties. Then I'm going to complain about how shallow society is for judging me based on that thing I want everyone to see.

IHaveALight
05-11-2012, 09:31 PM
http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/shotgun-to-the-face-191224.jpg?1235036980

What self expression of culturally obtained beliefs from a wise person might look like...

Their appearance tells me everything I need to know to make a judgment on their character. :loopy:

I hate to break it to you doc but we live in a subjective world based on our own perceptions and experiences. This is a beautiful thing, it allows us to have our own tastes, interests, likes and dislikes. I fail to see the connection between ones subjective choice on their appearance and their character. Maybe we should ask George Zimmerman for his opinion on this matter?

When humanity accepts that we each have our own unique perceptions and stops trying to make everyone follow their own subjective perceptions, we will make a quantum leap in our evolution. ;)

RhymesayersDU
05-11-2012, 09:34 PM
My unique perception is that that broad is retarded with those piercings and dumb tattoo.

ak1971
05-12-2012, 08:15 AM
I'm going to permanently mark a very visible part of my body for all to see with something I think is cool in my twenties. Then I'm going to complain about how shallow society is for judging me based on that thing I want everyone to see.

So you are regretting that full back piece you had done of my portrait?

Kaylore
05-12-2012, 08:33 AM
So you are regretting that full back piece you had done of my portrait?

You and Bea Arthur snuggling...

SoonerBronco
05-12-2012, 09:15 AM
Their appearance tells me everything I need to know to make a judgment on their character. :loopy:

I hate to break it to you doc but we live in a subjective world based on our own perceptions and experiences. This is a beautiful thing, it allows us to have our own tastes, interests, likes and dislikes. I fail to see the connection between ones subjective choice on their appearance and their character. Maybe we should ask George Zimmerman for his opinion on this matter?

When humanity accepts that we each have our own unique perceptions and stops trying to make everyone follow their own subjective perceptions, we will make a quantum leap in our evolution. ;)

Have fun with that evolving thing, and I'll keep my common sense. Agree with the Doc on this one.

Meck77
05-12-2012, 09:23 AM
Brian Griese lived in Dan Neil's basement.

I heard he's still there. Brian Griese. Makes me realize just how long of a road it's been to even attempt to replace John Elway.

rugbythug
05-12-2012, 09:29 AM
Their appearance tells me everything I need to know to make a judgment on their character. :loopy:

I hate to break it to you doc but we live in a subjective world based on our own perceptions and experiences. This is a beautiful thing, it allows us to have our own tastes, interests, likes and dislikes. I fail to see the connection between ones subjective choice on their appearance and their character. Maybe we should ask George Zimmerman for his opinion on this matter?

When humanity accepts that we each have our own unique perceptions and stops trying to make everyone follow their own subjective perceptions, we will make a quantum leap in our evolution. ;)

How about I judge you based on this one post. My perception is that you fail at life and win at inane drivel!

stopgap
05-12-2012, 09:58 AM
My unique perception is that that broad is retarded with those piercings and dumb tattoo.

I agree. That girl is a bad example to try and defend.

HARDCORE

ok :D

My perception is she knows she's not going anywhere in life so she said '**** it' and started hanging out with people that would actually think that was a good idea.

IHaveALight
05-12-2012, 10:15 AM
My unique perception is that that broad is retarded with those piercings and dumb tattoo.

Well that's a start. You see that you have a unique perception that dictates your beliefs. Maybe one day you will see that if we all have our own beliefs dictated by our own unique perception that there is no reason to accept or reject anyone’s individual beliefs, even our own. Especially our own really, and the sources form which we obtained them.

IHaveALight
05-12-2012, 10:19 AM
How about I judge you based on this one post. My perception is that you fail at life and win at inane drivel!

I would expect nothing less, this is the society we live in. My perception is that you making judgments on me doesn't bother me at all, only holds you back.

SoonerBronco
05-12-2012, 10:47 AM
I would expect nothing less, this is the society we live in. My perception is that you making judgments on me doesn't bother me at all, only holds you back.

Perception is reality...And if you have tats covering every inch of your body, a history of drugs, and maybe not making the best choices...it's probably fair to expect people to perceive things about you based on that...

Tombstone RJ
05-12-2012, 12:34 PM
Their appearance tells me everything I need to know to make a judgment on their character. :loopy:

I hate to break it to you doc but we live in a subjective world based on our own perceptions and experiences. This is a beautiful thing, it allows us to have our own tastes, interests, likes and dislikes. I fail to see the connection between ones subjective choice on their appearance and their character. Maybe we should ask George Zimmerman for his opinion on this matter?

When humanity accepts that we each have our own unique perceptions and stops trying to make everyone follow their own subjective perceptions, we will make a quantum leap in our evolution. ;)

:D

IHaveALight
05-12-2012, 10:53 PM
http://api.ning.com/files/Ekwy6TEYPLBGdpB6WWDmR19trH3TGlhNKJvoiIJLXd0tIVYldU T5kLBgVis9LWNlINSFp7jkZNqhdjWk8HciCXwChoYvYGce/davinci.jpg?width=382&height=600

broncocalijohn
05-12-2012, 11:57 PM
If only there was a way for people to show how ignorant they are by judging others character based on there decision to partake in culturally obtained beliefs on self expression.

Yes, because like 95% of those that **** up their bodies are really college educated, well mannered, great family upbringing kind of person that screams "Hire this one, they beat out all others for the job!"

broncocalijohn
05-13-2012, 12:02 AM
I would expect nothing less, this is the society we live in. My perception is that you making judgments on me doesn't bother me at all, only holds you back.

I think Rugbythug can live with that and move on. It might be really tough but I think his life will not falter one bit for looking down on those that don't care too much about their bodies/face.
I am into rockabilly and I know how many in that culture dresses the part. Not the 50s era but the neo style. I hope they have a job in that culture or can cover it up because society doesn't want weirdness.

IHaveALight
05-13-2012, 08:26 AM
I think Rugbythug can live with that and move on. It might be really tough but I think his life will not falter one bit for looking down on those that don't care too much about their bodies/face.
I am into rockabilly and I know how many in that culture dresses the part. Not the 50s era but the neo style. I hope they have a job in that culture or can cover it up because society doesn't want weirdness.

What's weird to some is commonplace to others. In all aspects of life, not just body modification.

But screw individuality, let's all be the same.

errand
05-13-2012, 09:36 AM
Lets be serious... I can LOOK at that pic and tell you he should be in prison.

He looks like he just got out of prison.....

broncocalijohn
05-13-2012, 09:47 AM
What's weird to some is commonplace to others. In all aspects of life, not just body modification.

But screw individuality, let's all be the same.

Oh, those that do that want to be different and I am fine with it. BUT, don't expect to be hired when a job is needed. They better have their own culture for a career/job or expect to work some of the ****tiest jobs out there. Of course, there is a good chance that would be happening anyways if they didn't take school or a trade seriously.

DenverBrit
05-13-2012, 10:15 AM
Lets be serious... I can LOOK at that pic and tell you he should be in prison.

The lack of a rubber lobster was a giveaway.

errand
05-13-2012, 10:20 AM
When humanity accepts that we each have our own unique perceptions and stops trying to make everyone follow their own subjective perceptions, we will make a quantum leap in our evolution. ;)

Yes you are unique.......just like everybody else.

bfoflcommish
05-14-2012, 07:14 AM
I think Rugbythug can live with that and move on. It might be really tough but I think his life will not falter one bit for looking down on those that don't care too much about their bodies/face.
I am into rockabilly and I know how many in that culture dresses the part. Not the 50s era but the neo style. I hope they have a job in that culture or can cover it up because society doesn't want weirdness.

Oh, those that do that want to be different and I am fine with it. BUT, don't expect to be hired when a job is needed. They better have their own culture for a career/job or expect to work some of the ****tiest jobs out there. Of course, there is a good chance that would be happening anyways if they didn't take school or a trade seriously.



7 tattoo's, 4 piercings, and I have an office job in the good ole boy oil industry where I work closely with the board and everyone that "matters" in the company.

1 kid graduting high school, going to college in 2 years the other a respectful 7 year old that most people say is one of the most well mannered kkids they have ever met. Been married for 16 years, own my own home, have enough disposable inclome to do whatever my family and I would like to do, and have never once in my live needed to borrow or beg from anyone.

yep, im a loser

socalorado
05-14-2012, 07:22 AM
7 tattoo's, 4 piercings, and I have an office job in the good ole boy oil industry where I work closely with the board and everyone that "matters" in the company.

1 kid graduting high school, going to college in 2 years the other a respectful 7 year old that most people say is one of the most well mannered kkids they have ever met. Been married for 16 years, own my own home, have enough disposable inclome to do whatever my family and I would like to do, and have never once in my live needed to borrow or beg from anyone.

yep, im a loser

^5

Rabb
05-14-2012, 08:15 AM
7 tattoo's, 4 piercings, and I have an office job in the good ole boy oil industry where I work closely with the board and everyone that "matters" in the company.

1 kid graduting high school, going to college in 2 years the other a respectful 7 year old that most people say is one of the most well mannered kkids they have ever met. Been married for 16 years, own my own home, have enough disposable inclome to do whatever my family and I would like to do, and have never once in my live needed to borrow or beg from anyone.

yep, im a loser

Yeah, I mean I will say I don't have any that are visible when I don't want them to be, but I have 9 tattoos, a very successful career as an engineer with a great company and I have never had an issue. Just like anything else, being smart and moderation go a long way.

Tombstone RJ
05-14-2012, 08:48 AM
being able to hide tats is one thing. Going full retard on tats and piercings is another thing.

meh, it's all a bunch of crap IMHO. There's nothing unique about body art anymore. It's like most other things that used to separate some people from the masses. It's become so overdone that anyone who gets a tat and a piercing is following the crowd, not necessarily stating anything that hasn't already been done or stated before.

It's like when a banker or lawyer buys a Harley to ride around and look cool. It's a bunch of crap.

Garcia Bronco
05-14-2012, 08:58 AM
I'll tell you now...if you have tats where I can see them in business casual cloths, I won't hire you.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-14-2012, 09:05 AM
I'll tell you now...if you have tats where I can see them in business casual cloths, I won't hire you.

I've personally witnessed job applications thrown into the trash can immediately after interviews for the same reason. I was a teenager at the time, and it made an impression on me.

Rabb
05-14-2012, 09:18 AM
I don't disagree with either of you at all, just disagree with the idea that getting one at all puts you into the irresponsible category.

I guess I can cross "ask Doc if we can get matching BFF tattoos across our throats" off my list, thanks a-hole.

p7superfly
05-14-2012, 09:21 AM
I have to say ... I'm a Nuggets fan, and I hope he didn't do it..

But the title of this thread just made me crack up at work for about 5 minutes straight, until I had to explain it to people. They all laughed too. Epic.

Way to take child pornography and turn it into a joke. Asshole.

:sunshine:

crush17
05-14-2012, 09:22 AM
I'll tell you now...if you have tats where I can see them in business casual cloths, I won't hire you.

Well, then I would call you ignorant.

Captain 'Dre
05-14-2012, 09:23 AM
I'll tell you now...if you have tats where I can see them in business casual cloths, I won't hire you.

None of us wants to work at your Burger King franchise, bub. :)

IHaveALight
05-14-2012, 09:24 AM
being able to hide tats is one thing. Going full retard on tats and piercings is another thing.

meh, it's all a bunch of crap IMHO. There's nothing unique about body art anymore. It's like most other things that used to separate some people from the masses. It's become so overdone that anyone who gets a tat and a piercing is following the crowd, not necessarily stating anything that hasn't already been done or stated before.

It's like when a banker or lawyer buys a Harley to ride around and look cool. It's a bunch of crap.

Everyone has there own taste. Some may prefer to have hidden tats, some may prefer to have them all over and some prefer none at all. Just as some people may not care about trying to fit into society or climbing the corporate ladder. Not everyone buys into the materialistic American dream. I've got a friend in his 40's who chooses to work in retail for about $9 bucks an hour despite knowing he can make more money doing other things, chooses to live frugal with a minimalist mindset and as such lives a simple life with minimal stress. He's one of the most content people I know. Oh, and he has never had a single tattoo or piercing in his life nor does he ever want one.

There's nothing unique about anything we do in life. It has all been done before. What's unique about someone going to get an ice cream cone? What's unique about someone trying to get a promotion? Or buying a new car? As individuals we do what we want to do according to what we like or chose to do. Yeah we can ad creativity into any process to make them unique to us, but it all comes from the same rehashed beliefs and ideas.

p7superfly
05-14-2012, 09:25 AM
Well, then I would call you ignorant.

Damn it ... there goes my 'trigger finger' tat.

Captain 'Dre
05-14-2012, 09:25 AM
I've personally witnessed job applications thrown into the trash can immediately after interviews for the same reason. I was a teenager at the time, and it made an impression on me.

Woulda made a more positive impression if those applications were tossed into a recycling bin.

Tombstone RJ
05-14-2012, 09:35 AM
Everyone has there own taste. Some may prefer to have hidden tats, some may prefer to have them all over and some prefer none at all. Just as some people may not care about trying to fit into society or climbing the corporate ladder. Not everyone buys into the materialistic American dream. I've got a friend in his 40's who chooses to work in retail for about $9 bucks an hour despite knowing he can make more money doing other things, chooses to live frugal with a minimalist mindset and as such lives a simple life with minimal stress. He's one of the most content people I know. Oh, and he has never had a single tattoo or piercing in his life nor does he ever want one.

There's nothing unique about anything we do in life. It has all been done before. What's unique about someone going to get an ice cream cone? What's unique about someone trying to get a promotion? Or buying a new car? As individuals we do what we want to do according to what we like or chose to do. Yeah we can ad creativity into any process to make them unique to us, but it all comes from the same rehashed beliefs and ideas.

again, you are missing the point. Let me some this up for you:

IHAL: Everyone is different and unique, don't judge people because of an over abundance of body art. It's all good!

Tombstone RJ: Body art is not a unique way to prove anything in this world. The art itself is boring, the messages are marginalized by the fact that it's over done in our society. The main irony is that the people who do this think they are different when in fact, they have no initiative or creativity, they place their personal value on cliched body art.

IHAL: Getting tattoos and piercings all over your body and face is no different than buying an ice cream cone. Or buying a car. Or getting promotion. I have a friend who makes $9.00 an hour because he's different. See!

Tombstone RJ: wtf?

SoonerBronco
05-14-2012, 10:11 AM
I've personally witnessed job applications thrown into the trash can immediately after interviews for the same reason. I was a teenager at the time, and it made an impression on me.

Bingo...


Garcia, I usually see people in business casual clothes...what's this cloths thing...a new fad or something???

:~ohyah!: :wave:

IHaveALight
05-14-2012, 10:26 AM
again, you are missing the point. Let me some this up for you:

IHAL: Everyone is different and unique, don't judge people because of an over abundance of body art. It's all good!

Tombstone RJ: Body art is not a unique way to prove anything in this world. The art itself is boring, the messages are marginalized by the fact that it's over done in our society. The main irony is that the people who do this think they are different when in fact, they have no initiative or creativity, they place their personal value on cliched body art.

IHAL: Getting tattoos and piercings all over your body and face is no different than buying an ice cream cone. Or buying a car. Or getting promotion. I have a friend who makes $9.00 an hour because he's different. See!

Tombstone RJ: wtf?

We each have a unique perspective. Our perspective and experiences dictate our beliefs, ideas, tastes. The beliefs, ideas, tastes are not unique, only the perspective is.